The Problem with FEMINISM
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
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I feel as though in practice women are held in high regard by society ONLY if they do it all. i.e. have a successful career AND are an attentive wife and mother. A career women is ONLY a career women, a homemaker is ONLY a home maker.
I feel like feminism ruins it for woman. Lol. I prefer to be a stay at home mom and Instead I am 44 years old and single. Yes I earn extremely good money, but I feel like I prefer to have a family 👪 unit
@@emirubio1 feminism doesn't say you can't be a housewife. It says that you can choose what you want to do with your life. What choice you make is up to you. But the choice should be there.
@@emirubio1 You still can and I wish you all the best
I feel like those women are hated. No matter what
I feel like patriarchy is co-opting feminism constantly and then real feminists feel a subconscious distancing from it. I’m a feminist yet I hate the fact that female “strength” is sold like a product. It’s supposed to be about people regaining their humanity, not people as products
capitalism stinks
patriarchy isnt necessarily bad
@@AC-mp7cx bro
@@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713 what
I feel this really hard in the way that a lot of feminine traits are still considered less than and weak. So much of this girl boss stuff has evolved from “women can be anything” to “women can be anything, except feminine”. Obviously it’s a only in the context of of this sub space of pop culture feminism. There are a lot of places and households where people still are held to drastically different and rigid standards based on sex assigned at birth.
Oh the children thing 100%!!! I struggled so much trying to understand my self-perceived worth as a Muslim woman after finding out my husband and I couldn’t have kids. We’re all raised so that we think subconsciously start to believe all our worth and value lies in our ovaries and when that doesn’t come through it’s such an identity crises. Every time there’s an Islamic lecture focused on women it’s always about our roles as mothers and wives but never really in any other context. It leaves so many of us feeling empty or abandoned by our own community when we don’t fit that cultural idea of what a woman should be, for whatever reason. Thanks so much for shedding light on this - nobody talks about it.
You’re worth a lot even if you can’t or don’t have children !!! You’re a full person even without being someone’s wife or mother !!! Motherhood is amazing and so is marriage but you’re not less than if you aren’t either of those !
i think women judge themselves more if they cant have kids because most women do want kids and when they cant it sucks for them.
@@aniqah4026 cope 😂
@@adityamakwana612 also, some women don't want to have kids, so when they're forced to have them and take care of the unwanted child, it sucks.
@@silverstarlight9395 yah it does suck and is unfortunate but guys are forced to have kids even if they dont want too(women are more likely to want kids due to hormone called prolactin) after marriage
So so true and so well spoken! As a white European feminist myself I think it is very dangerous when feminism is combined with white supremacy to justify other forms of oppression. That’s why I think feminism must include intersectionality.
I really appreciate your nuanced take on this. So much of what you said really resonates with me. I care deeply about women's rights and issues, but I hesitate to call myself a feminist. Mainly because of the lack of spirituality in the foundations, ethics, and goals of feminism. There's also the whole aspect of sexual liberation, which obviously runs counter to my values as a Muslim. But I fully agree that the people who talk about how 'Islam gave women their rights 1400 years ago' use this as an excuse to ignore the plight of women in their own communities and abroad. Thanks for the great video as always.
All they mean is that, we should refer back to Islam, and not Western ideologies like feminism to amend our affairs.
So do you want women to not be sexually liberated? What about non-muslim women? Why should we not enjoy sex? What's wrong with us enjoying sex?
@@silverstarlight9395 I think everyone has the right to enjoy sex but usually Muslim women and Muslims in general enjoy it in marriage, but I totally think if you’re not a Muslim woman or Muslim then you should be able to have it outside of marriage ! You do you ! I don’t think you deserve judgement, if it doesn’t align with someone’s values then they should be allowed to practice what they want too
@@silverstarlight9395 This video isnt for non Muslim women. And "sexual liberation"? What does this mean???
@@aniqah4026 wrong approach....
I will admit, it was hard to click on this video because I am very wary of religious people but I never want to become someone that lives in an echo chamber. Glad I listened.
We are the same way wary of the non religious. They can often be just as orthodox, just as rigid, just as violent, and just as domineering as extremists on the other end.
I appreciate this video so much. When I chose to start covering my hair, so many "feminist" women thought/assumed my husband was somehow oppressing me. My family thought I had joined a cult. I decided to cover my hair because it makes me feel closer to God and it helps my anxiety, like a spiritual security blanket. Feminism shouldn't be anti-hijabi/anit-headcovering. I became disenchanted with feminism when I realized my rights only matter if I choose to be independent and uncovered. The right to be modest did not count and was seen as oppressive. I love women, I advocate for them, and I believe we should have the same rights as men. I also believe we should have the right to stay home and teach our children, cover our hair and be a housewife. Thanks so much for this thought provoking video!
Alhamdullilah, may Allah bless your journey
Even if feminists did accept your covering, the ideology as a whole will always be against it because covering is unique to women. It is uniquely recommended to women and not men in Islam. Many things are different for men and women in Islam.
This is how wise Islam is. It doesn't shy away from reality. Feminism as an idea purports that anything men can do, women can do. Anything men do, women should be allowed to do.
Islam, on the other hand, knows that just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. There's sense and sensibility in the limitations and allowances in Islam. And they are not the same between men and women because men and women are not the same. Together and united by marriage men and women make strong families which can weather anything. Separated and competing, men and women make weak, alienating societies.
And Allah knows best
@@fark69 is Islam against women who choose to not get married?
@@silverstarlight9395 Marriage is desired by the average person and is a shield against adultery and casual sex, both of which are dangerous.
Islam understands this, and it also understands that every single person cannot marry. If one cannot or one has no inclination for it (some people have psychological issue like homosexual tendencies, etc.) they can forgo it.
So you don't have to marry. But it's encouraged. It's mandatory if the alternative in one's mind is casual sex / adultery.
Islam tells us in paradise everyone will have a spouse. So that tells you the natural human idea towards marriage
@@fark69 if a person is heterosexual, isn't interested in casual sex and isn't interested in relationships but is more interested in pursuing career, hobbies, spirituality and self-development, is the person not considered a good Muslim?
Women's rights are human rights. That's the basic motto I was brought up with and agree with. I know that's super simple but that's what it comes down to. Your nuance in this video was great, keep it up!
The thing is that womens rights aren’t considered human rights by the people who get to say what human rights are. They get ignored. Human rights are just your nations constitution.
Womens rights are rights which they deserve and need, they deserve them so much that people should fight hard for these rights for people. But even framing them as rights makes it very confusing. Does one have a right to not be domestically assaulted? What about does one have a right to know the gender or race of someone who sleeps with them?
I know that’s a strange juxtaposition, but at least where I grew up, those are the most common rights which women were given. Until they had the right to vote. But at the same ti:e that women in the US have the right to vote, Women in US and British imperial peripheries like South Asia were suppressed in their movements for womens rights.
By the same men who granted their western counterparts ‘rights’. The right to do housework and die depressed! How nice. I’m not trying to be cynical. But it’s not like men have rights either.
We really do all just havw privileges. The system doesn’t give a fuck about our happiness, only productivity. So if we can be more productive without our masc/fem able/disable gay/straight selves, then you are given ‘human rights’- the right to live.
Only the rights sanctioned by Allah (Azza wa Jal), not the right to murder innocent babies for example.
You cannot prove human rights to be objectively true
Is it universal or some western organizations made the definitions or some UN organizations made it?
They didn't consult the Muslims or the African Custom People nor did they consult any of the Religions of the World..
Thank you so much for presenting effortlessly the breakdown of such a big topic in bite size pieces! Of course your humor alongside the in-depth research you have done were the spices to this video! 💗
That “watering points down” analogy!!!!! Pure GOLD, sooo great taz, keep them coming 👏🏾👏🏾
Absolutely loved your take on this issue Tasnim! A lot of what you say in the video reflects my own views, especially what you briefly touched on at 06:20. I always find myself debating the exact points in your video with people way too often 😅, now I'm just going to forward your video to them lol. Thank you also for including other women's voices on this topic, great job 👍🏼 Mashallah you can see how hard you worked on this and it is appreciated!
Excellent video! It was really focused and I enjoy whenever you bring multiple people in so I will for sure check out your podcast. Also, not related, your outfit is “chef’s kiss.”
Loved listening to Muslim women talk about and discuss this topic 💕
I am honestly so surprised. There are so many similarities with other women in different regions. Wow
Great video as always! Checked the podcast and the interview is not up yet...can't wait to listen though.
Loving the social commentary videos. Really provides a measured perspective of the current issues plaguing our society.
Thanks for the opportunity to speak on this subject!!
Your headscarf looks so gorgeous!
Definitely agree that women seeking their rights to live in their individualism is not to blame for the destruction of family structure.. not all women want to have children .. not all women want to be wives and not all women want to be codependent on their men.. but the idea that we must give up family for careers is very sad .. is it capitalism? Economical agenda?.. a lot of women in mid thirties are regretting their choices in choosing career over family and that should also be a point of discussion .. i think young women should be taught how to create a balance between the two or choose more wisely to the kind of individual they are ..
I think the choice between making a home and having a career is largely forced on us with the practice of hoarding resources, unequal power structures, wealth gap, capitalism/financial exploitation, and colonialism (in all it's forms including current wars). We have more than enough to go around. We could structure society in a way that folks could have their needs and comforts met only working for wages/survival 20 hours/week.
@@galamander_1327 definitely.. the only reason Sweden wanted its women to start working was for their national economy .. raising children and looking after the elderly should not be the government’s job but they definitely should aid people in being able to do this.. i believe the most nurturing parent should be at home with the child .. i know most of us would say this is the mother but i have seen relationships where the father is more comfortable in taking up the role and the mother wants to work .. biologically women are more suited for the job though regardless of how much we want equal rights .. the whole point is men are not equal to women.. no person is the same so we should t make sweeping comments about anyones personal choices
@@waji78611 I think if you take a few steps back and look at us *as a species*, human males and females are really very similar, with slight variations. There's a whole giant lot of overlap between our physical/mental/emotional capabilities and proclivities - way more than there are differences. (I'm thinking human vs a tiger, a bumblebee, an oak tree.) Equality unfortunately gets conflated with sameness and being identical. No two people are identical. Equality to me means equal access and opportunity, equal respect and weight being given to our thinking, analysis, needs, and our person hood.
@@galamander_1327 definitely agree with equal respect .. access and education but im not sure how much i agree about opportunities for women who constantly have to battle between family and careers .. reality is eventually a choice between what’s more important will have to be made .. obviously as individuals they make the choice and women who never want children shouldn’t be shamed for it ..
@@waji78611 as a woman who never wants to have children, I think I should get all the opportunities that men get. Because I never have to think about juggling family and job, I can focus solely on my job. So I can contribute to the economy of my country without contributing to it's population. Sadly, people assume I'll ultimately change my mind and have children, so I don't get the same opportunities as men. But I know myself better than anyone else, and my maternal instinct at a time when I'm the most fertile, is lacking. As the years pass and the estrogen in my body decreases, the maternal instinct will become even lesser. But unfortunately, people don't understand this.
Good video with great attention to detail 😁. It can be confusing trying to sort out "what is". And there is way to false equivalences drawn where pro something means anti something. Whatabout-Ism also runs rampant. Look forward to more videos from you!
Always waiting for your videos!!!
This is the most succinct way that anyone has ever talked about this concept. Love these vids!
Tas your glowing masha’Allah! 💗
True! Ever since she got married she became more beautiful and glowing ma sha Allah
مَا شَاءَ ٱللّٰهْ
Thank you for this video, it verbalizes perfectly thoughts I already had in my mind before! Love from Tunisia xx
You’re such an inspiration! I love you so much!!! I wish I could meet you in real life❤️ keep doing this good work!
Love your take on the subject. This was as objective as it can be.
TAZ DONT STOP UPLOADING VIDS PLZ😭 -sending love from Sudan🥰🥰❤️
I am here for tazzy take on things and its amazing
I love your videos Tasneem! They get us talking about important stuff. I think my issue with feminism would be its basis and the ethics that they stem from, a lot of feminist leaders’ beliefs contradict our religion and they define what a feminist is. I personally would not call myself a feminist but I am a supporter of us as women getting our rights and to be respected in society.
I love this video and how you spoke about this subject.
Enjoyed this talk. Thank you
I'm a Baby Boomer. My Mother was born in 1926 to old world Italians in the USA. She worked in a grocery store through HS. She put her foot down to her father about her dream of being a teacher and took a Greyhound bus from a little town in WV to attend Pepperdine U. She lived in a girls boarding house. Arranged Marriage to my Dad after WW2.
Mom grew up seeing women with buns in their hair, aprons and always pregnant. Many husband's were abusive and cheated. She pushed all of us (26 female cousins & 2 sisters) to have education & careers.
However I grew up when feminism began and took things to far. Men and women must respect each other. Women having their own $ gives them options.
How exactly has feminism taken things “too far”?
@@666kittycat666 see the comment by Lowkey comm. But also when I was growing up women were very sweet in a way they aren't today. Yelling at men emasculates them. Women have become more masculine. That doesn't make men more masculine. The media also portrays men as idiots.
@LOWKEY COMM ok incel.
@@ceilconstante7813 wow that's some ignorate and vile thing to agree with. Also the idea that expressing anger is an exclusively male trait feeds into the type of toxic masculinity that leads men to bottle up emotions until they off themselves. If you think that yelling at men emasculates them and that women need to be sweet in order to gain rights that seems like a you problem. Your comment seems to be rooted in some real ignrocance.
@@666kittycat666 Alright, men and women are not equal anatomically and mentally both their tolerance and mindsets are all different. Women are more emotionally intellectual whereas men happen to be more logical. when you said " expressing anger is an exclusively male trait feeds into the type of toxic masculinity that leads men to bottle up emotions until they off themselves." when we tell our problems we try to find solutions not just people to listen whereas women tell their problems because they want people to listen. that's exactly why a man gets frustrated when they speak up but don't get any solution, women don't have the problems because they share them with their friends, write diaries, blogs about it and whatnot. I can go on and on and on about how men and women are not equal and will never be Equal. However spiritually Men and Women and equal in the eyes of Allah.
This was insane! Loved ittttt!
You're fantastic mashA. Thanks for the great content. A well balanced video. I label myself a feminist because it's convenient and it's a good conversation starter to talk about the things that matter to me. As you've highlighted it's just a case of semantics and I'm glad that you've focussed your energy on the real issues/ misunderstandings/ presumptions about feminism.
It’s not just semantics. Feminism assumes that the patriarchy is bad. Islam is patriarchal. What is the next step in this logical chain?
@@ama8950 Define patriarchal, I don't like the term feminism either and I believe feminism has way too much baggage to be merely sematics as well but definitions need to be defined. How one defines patriarchy is different from how feminism defines it ( and depending on which type of feminism....)
i think you keep referring to White feminism or proganda by anti-feminists portraying ideas of what feminist is but without realizing it. there are many more broader types and sub movements
of feminism for many intersections and gender diverse folks. I think you'd align well with Intersectional Feminism and Womanism. I really encourage reading into it if you want more.
Also recommend reading alot of Bell Hooks.
glad you took the time to talk to folks and learn more. kudos!
100 percent agreed!
I second this comment.
Was about to say the same
This video was a response to white feminism and anti feminist ideas. She was defending feminism.
@Faith and Love what’s the father?
@Faith and Love and there’s only one god?
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Thank you for this video!
That was enlightening, thankyou.
Hey Tazzy! Thank you soo much for this awesome video that encompasses so much of what feminism struggles with. I think that we also have to consider that the term feminism is a fairly recent coined term, but that feminist movements have been there all along and all throughout history, it just wasn't called feminism. Also, people who criticise feminism tend to think it's a western ideology and ''how dare you subscribe to western ideas'', but again, women's rights movements have been there for so long and many non-western countries have had their feminist movements even before Europe. There are many Muslim feminists from the early 19th century who advocated their feminism through Islamic principles and even inspired some European movements (Malak Hifni Nasif, Huda Sharaawi, Nawab Faizunnesa..etc.)
Would love to know if you have any book recommendations about these Muslim feminists/ their movements
Feminists assume that patriarchal structures are inherently unjust. Islam affirms both patriarchal and matriarchal structures. How many “Muslim feminists” today set out trying to dismantle the patriarchy and how many of them are willing to acknowledge that patriarchy is part of the deen? If they can’t acknowledge that then they have subscribed to a western ideology that will eventually lead them to where it is leading western feminists. Also, for those that do stick to the religion the second you align with feminists they’ll call you out for not being feminist enough. They want you to push the envelope all the way to what they are upon.
The issues is that any advoacy for women is seen as feminism, but feminism has it's own colonial and usage that simply can't be separated from it's christian-liberal reactionary outbranch. It seems incoherent for feminism to have monopoly on women's advocacy.
The Muslim feminists (all referred as modernists) still embedded liberal essetric values (often others such as nationalism..) this isn't intrinsic to feminism.
A good rule of thumb is, take the term feminism away. Now is the specific right / issue you're talking about compatible with Islam or not?
So: women getting divorce. It's allowed in Islam with limits. Women having sex outside marriage and being proud of their sexual conquests. It's haraam in Islam. Women marrying women. Haraam in Islam. Abortion of babies. Haraam in Islam unless for health reasons before 40-120 days depending on the school of thought. Women's education. It's allowed in Islam and encouraged. Women's right against discrimination and ridicule. This is also encouraged by Islam. Women's protection against slander and false accusation. Highly encouraged in Islam. Death penalty for rapists. Encouraged in Islam. Equal division of inheritance along gender lines. Haraam in Islam.
These are some of the many issues feminism encompasses. For each issue, Islam has a ruling already, set by the Creator of men and women. So feminism you can learn it or skip it. For all the issues it discusses, Islam already had made some decision.
I love that you, as a Muslim woman are making this video. I feel like most Muslim women living in Western societies have a more liberal and nuanced opinion on issue like this, whereas in Muslim countries most (devout) Muslim people are so blind to women's issues and see feminism as evil.
I live in Turkey and last year Turkey withdrew from the Istanbul Convention which was made to protect women's rights and stop domestic violence. The people who were against the convention were mostly ultra religious people and they were all saying that Islam gave women rights, so we don't need a convention. They also had an issue with the article that said no one should be subjected violence because of the sexual identity, because they thought that it promoted homosexuality(!) I was appalled by how backward and ignorant these people were/are. They literally believe that keeping the nuclear family intact is more important than a woman's life and happiness.
All in all, it's nice to see a devout Muslim woman promoting human rights and critical thinking.
Mate tell me something, do you have a degree in Islamic theology or any Islamic studies (which includes interpretation of hadith or chain of narrations)? Am guessing not, so who qualified you for this idiotic take? This only applies if your a Muslim, and forgive me for my language, it was necessary to show my frustration on your opinion.
@@mastermokond2633 I don't have a degree on Islamic theology, I do, however, have first hand experience of growing up in a muslim majority country, and have done my own research on Islam. What I wrote was about a certain section of people in Turkey, not Islam itself, therefore it does not require scholarly knowledge. But I guess you know my country better than I do? Let me ask you something: What makes you so insecure that you feel the need to call someone who have never met an idiot, just because they have a different opinion than you?
i agree with everything expect the part where you claim she's a devout Muslim. Who is a devout Muslim? Someone who unconditionally follows the Quran? I doubt that she is homophobic, or wants death for homosexuality, blasphemy, adultery and apostasy. Or believes that a woman is worth half that of a man or that Muslim men can have 4 wives but women can't have more than one.
@@buttofthejoke I assumed she is devout because she wears a hijab. It is usually a sign that you live your life according to Islam. Also, I never assumed or said that she was homophobic or anti-feminist. But MOST of the pious and devout people in my country have ideas just like you described above. Again, I'm not saying it is the case for all muslims here.
@@yb32 I think a lot of Muslim women in the west are not devout Muslims. They might wear hijab, but I doubt if they are homophobic.. mainly because they can't afford to be homophobic in the West. Devout Muslims are mainly living in Islamic laws based countries in the middle east and south asia, where death penalty for homosexuality, blasphemy, adultery and apostasy is a norm.
Sadly I have not a found even Moderate Muslims that'll accept that it's an issue. Because if they do, then they go directly against Quran, which invites the wrath of the devout Muslims around the world, and that's an unsafe situation.
Women and men are created equal but different,
I agree, but that shouldn't mean that capable women should be left out of certain jobs because of theie genitals. For example, very few women in India become marine engineers, even if they are more than capable of doing so and passionate about it. That's because ship companies in India don't allow women to apply. Whereas in the UK, women do become marine engineers and live an accomplished and happy life.
@@silverstarlight9395 it's true but we have to take in to consideration take women in the military there a reason they are not allowed on the front lines it's not sexist , we have to take in to account the mission at hand , and with that which you Sayed am not against it but if they hire women how will it benefit them as a whole ?
@@raynlopez7714 in many countries women are allowed to go to the front line. Being able to follow their dreams of going to the sea and becoming ship captains will benefit them. They'll be able to do what they love and the ship company won't miss out on a dedicated and capable employee.
Ooooooh. Thank youuu for making this video Tasneem.
Very reasonable and fair analysis
I really appreciate this video. I've been thinking about this alot and I kept wondering what my place should be as a Muslim woman. I have gained some insight from this video.
Islams opinion on rights of men and women is pretty clear
@@AC-mp7cx what is the role of the Muslim woman then?
@@valenciasaintilus9573 There is overlap between the roles of men and women, but one place it doesn't overlap is in providing sustenance and wealth for instance, for men it is obligated whereas for women, they are supposed to have more of a communally "leadership" role of sorts, ie mending the affair of her household from within.
@@AC-mp7cx I do not care
@@valenciasaintilus9573 then why ask?
Wonderful video as always
I’ve missed you! Great video as always mA👍
Brilliant as always 👌
can you please make a video about your skin care routine !!
You spilled here I am amazed ❤️ 16:00 - 16:40
You didn’t simplify this part 12:49. You explained it better. You unobfuscated it. You deserve credit for that. It’s more information which you give, like explaining what industrialization actually caused
I'm sorry, where is the link to the Femen video - that looked hilarious! (Will go searching for it after I finish this video lol)
I pray this video goes viral 💘 insha’Allah
She's back!! Ladies and Gentlemen!!
I agree with everyone else in the comments commending you for your insightful take on this nuanced issue. I also want to say this video was a great comfort to me personally. I recently refused to continue talking with a potential marriage partner after he admitted he expected a wife to stay at home to take care of the household and kids while he fulfills the role of being the “breadwinner and does outside stuff.” His point of view was based off of his cultural background more than religion and I just didn’t vibe with it. Anyways, since then I’ve been researching the Islamic ruling on the roles of husbands and wives, and it always disheartened me to read how wives are required to take care of children and household while downplaying the fact that wives are still allowed to work and earn an income. I wished these religious resources had more clearly pointed out that a woman’s right to work was never forbidden in the Quran and we see Khadijah (ra) as a great example of what Muslim women are allowed to accomplish. I love that I found your video addressing these issues because it reassures me that I did not act rashly or against the teaching of Islam even though this video wasn’t solely about religion. Anyways thank you for the video. Jazakallah khairan
Question: would you prefer to raise your own children with your values, or have strangers raise your children who don't share your values? I think it's a blessing to be in a position to not have to work to pay bills and spend money on childcare when you have someone who's willing to take on that burden.
This video does a good job of explaining this problem: ruclips.net/video/80vdZff0bVE/видео.html
I disagree. Khadija r.a. is often used as a tool to propel feminism in the Muslim community. Men could be dishearntened by the fact that Men HAVE to work in Islam, and women don't HAVE to work, because that is an inequality too. Inequalities are fine, because Allah knows best how to level the playing field.
We cannot compare ourselves with Khadijah RA.. She never went out of her home, had hired men to do most of the dealings and after her marriage she had dedicated herself to Islam and family
@@amirah2369 what about women who don't like children and don't want to have them? What will they do staying at home all day? Won't they get bored?
That was a great post. Thank you. I think that the current, popularly understood definition of feminism has been warped into something ugly and anti-male. I also think this was largely done by folks who see things as Rights, access to resources, etc as a zero sum game, meaning that they see equality in these things as loss of their own status. Of course this also happens with the rights of POCs, religious minorities, LGBTQ people, the economically dispossessed, etc. We're all in this together, and we all should support each other. Intersectionality is a thing, for sure.
It’s funny how this all reminds me of the witch hunts. Like men blaming all the random or just general disastrous things happening in the world on women again for wanting to have power or independence. History repeating itself in a different way.
Feminism has grown into this huge weed over the years. It's not just about women's rights anymore, so I don't support it. I do, however, support women's rights, and I believe every Muslim should. You can't just say Islam already gave women their rights, and then go on tearing women down in every possible way, not having a care in the world about actually upholding those rights. Feminism is definitely a very vast subject, and the opposition to it, even more so. I would recommend listening to some of Mohammad Hijab's talks on feminism. He comes at with lots of knowledge and islamic references. Anyways, this video was great, it deserves a part 2. And that woman speaking about Pakistani women is pretty woke. Women's issues in countries like Pakistan is a whole mess of its own.
Women's rights and Human Rights are taking more of a Ideological turn making it hard to know if its genuine or not..
I prefer Sharia rights
Here's my opinion on the hesitation to being called a feminist. As a muslim, there are different types of muslims, different assumptions about who a muslim is. This does not mean that i'll stop calling myself a muslim and would opt to use another word to identify who I am faith-wise. And this is because i realize that by being true to myself and values, I bring nuance, intersectionality and i own who i am unapologetically. I apply this same logic to being called a feminist.
i am a muslim, nigerian, feminsist and i wear it proudly. Its absurd to assume that half the world will be a monolith and have similar values. I align with the values that speak to me and that's my feminism.
Sometimes people run away from the term because it has a negative connotation of a woman who by virtue of speaking up is not the right kind of woman. My existence and yours exists beyond misogynistic systems and by saying i am a feminist, i set the tone for what my place is in this world.
A lot of valid issues brough up in the video/ comment are symptoms of a greater society: capitalism, racism, misogny etc . To me, feminism can be as "frivolous" as nail polish to something life threatening as FGM. At the core of it, feminism means that women have the autonomy to exist in the world as we choose and that we are valued and safe
You are so good at this!!!!! One slight thing I notice with you and many others, you often pronounce the word, womEn as womAn.
"But But There Are Many Kinds & Definitions Of Feminism & Our Feminism Is Inline With Islam"
If you say, "It depends how you define feminism," I would invite you to be precise. It doesn't depend on how you define feminism; it depends on how it is defined. It's a subtle but critical distinction. You can make up whatever definition you want, but that doesn't actually mean anything. If I want, I can define a human being as any creature with wings. That doesn't mean it's true or faithful to the meaning. So, more precise than, "It depends how you define feminism," would be to say, "It depends how feminism is defined."
And with that said, I invite you to present any accepted definition of feminism, and then we can see how aligned it actually is with what the Prophet, ﷺ, has brought.
Feminism is as varied, as the number of its adherents, because it is not fixed like Islam. If you say everyone can define feminism according to their wish then Feminism loose All its meaning, as it can also hold contradictory definition. However, the popular and authoritative literature on feminism, across all waves, are diametrically opposed to Islam.
This isn't a surprise because anything with non-Islamic origins can never come around to be Islamic, ever. As for maintaining that your version of feminism is just in line with the sunnah, then you admit that Islam is the only viable tool to address any & all types of problems humanity faces at large. That makes the use of the feminist label completely useless, unless you're arguing that there's a real need for the label and the movement on top of what Islam provides to address issues of women.
There's no way out of it. Either admit that Islam lacks and feminism fills in the gap in it, or just chuck away the feminist label altogether because Islam is enough anyway, because feminism is a kufri creation with its most prominent manifestations rife with kufri practices and beliefs in the name of equity.
Feminism is defined, By the civilization who coined it, who currently still write about it and use it, and of which will always be understood in relation To.
"Islam and feminism go hand in hand because Islam recognizes women's rights!"
Ok, should we say that Islam and communism go hand in hand because Islam recognizes the rights of the poor?
Should we say that Islam and atheism go hand in hand because Islam recognizes that false gods do not exist?
Should we say that Islam and fascism go hand in hand because Islam recognizes the singular authority of one man, i.e., the Prophet ﷺ?
Should we say that Islam and Zionism go hand in hand because Islam recognizes that the holy land exists?
Should we say that Islam and Christianity go hand in hand because Islam recognizes that Jesus is the Messiah?
Should we say that Islam and Buddhism go hand in hand because Islam recognizes the importance of inner peace?
Should we say that Islam and perennialism go hand in hand because Islam recognizes that the Torah and Bible were sent by God?
Should we say that Islam and Confucianism go hand in hand because Islam recognizes the importance of respect for parents?
Should we say that Islam and animistic nature worship go hand in hand because Islam recognizes that within nature are signs of the Creator?
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In all these examples, no serious Muslim would attach Islam to such ideologies. But in the case of feminism, you find many seemingly "traditional" figures and organizations enthusiastically co-opting feminism and claiming that it is fully "Islamic," even "traditional," etc.
If commonality between Islam and feminism means one can adopt the feminist label, does that mean one can call oneself a Muslim-Christian too?
MUSLIMAH FEMINIST
"Being a Muslima is by definition being a feminist..."
Being Muslim is by definition acknowledging the divine rights of women. But feminism, which is born out of kufr, has fabricated rights, fabricated responsibilities, fabricated virtues, fabricated vices. So no, being a Muslimah is not by definition being a feminist.
Rather, being a Muslimah, being a Muslim, is being a slave. It is acknowledging our Slavehood and submitting to Allah's definitions of rights, responsibilities, virtues, vices - as presented to us via his messenger, ﷺ. In some instances, the society in which we live will happen to align with those divine definitions. In many instances, particularly when it is a non-Muslim society, those definitions, those views, will not align.
In the case of feminism, just look at some of the foundational values of feminism: if you are intellectually honest, you will find they contradict what the Prophet, ﷺ, brought
"Islamic Feminism Is About Human Rights"
As for "deserving of human rights," the assumption underlying that expression is one of the fundamental issues here: who defines "rights?" Disbelief does not define rights the same as does Allah. In fact, there are so many things that are considered "rights" in our times that are Outrightly contrary to what Allah and his messenger, ﷺ, have made crystal clear. (That issue is not at all specific to women.) If you want to get as foundational as can be, our society would consider it a right to reject Allah and his messenger, ﷺ, and it is the furthest thing from a right. It is criminal. It is the biggest crime a human can commit.
"Its Inhuman, Its Humanitarian"
What is Human, Humanity & Its Right? Allah, The Creator Of Human & Everything Decides That, Allah Decides What Rights & Responsibilities Given To Whom.
But But Muslim Men Don't Give Us Our Islamic Rights, That's Why We Need Feminism...
Many Muslim Feminist Say They Need Feminism coz Muslim Men don't give them their Islamic Rights, But This is Deception & Delusion Of Muslim Feminist. If Muslim Men Don't Give Them Their "Rights" Under Islam Why Would They Gave you Under The Ideology Of Western White Men? Why Is It Always Women That Call For Islamic Feminism Are Those Women That Were submerged In Liberal Environment For Many Years whether in education or other Places?
Truth is Its About Worldview, Deen. She Internalized Deen Other Than Islam. And "muslim" Feminist "scholars" Admitted It.
One Of The Main Figure Of Muslim Feminist's Scholar AMINA WADUD Said, "for explicit verses of the Qur’ān for which feminists cannot find alternative explanations, the possibility of rejecting these verses should be considered. She states “Personally, I have come to places where how the text says what it says is just plain inadequate or unacceptable, however much interpretation is enacted upon it”, and she says further, that where particular articulations in the Qur’ān as a text are problematic, there is the “possibility of refuting the text, to talk back, to even say “no””
Wadud talked about the frustrations that feminists feel when, as Wadud suggests, they have to pretend to advocate feminism from an Islamic perspective and not a secular liberal one. She writes, “The executive director of Sisters in Islam, Zainah Anwar, once asked, “Why can’t we say we are working for gender justice from a human rights perspective” instead of our earlier claim of working from a gender-inclusive Islamic perspective? Quite honestly, I understand the frustrations”. In other words, these feminists are not acting as interpreters, or even re-interpreters, but as secular liberal interpolators.
Wadud and Asma Lamrabet argue that the Islamic injunction for a wife to obey her husband (in what is permitted under the sharī’ah, or halāl) contradicts the oneness of God, as they claim that obedience is for God alone. If obedience to the husband constitutes idolatry then, according to such feminists, a boy obeying his mother would also be idolatry, being a law abiding citizen would be idolatry, and a Muslim obeying the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), which the Qur’ān explicitly commands, would also be idolatry.
Muslim Feminist Have Adopted Liberalism As Their Deen, Rights, Responsibilities, Good, Bad, They Get It From Liberalism & Then They Distort Islam Under The Name Of "Interpretation" To Fit It With Their Deeen. They deny Quranic Verse, Hadith, Ijma that they Don't like, That goes Against Feminism.
Can u do some casual videos - just like a daily vlog?
You nailed it sis, 👍👍👍
Extremely deep episode.
Tazzzz post more!!
This was wonderful, Tazzy! Thank you for this nuanced analysis. We need to do better as Muslims. I feel like most Muslim men react to claims by feminists from a place of insecurity, hence we rarely get to the root of so many issues.
Insecurity to what? Muslim men have been defending muslim women being called oppressed.
@@mlindalina1 because they’re the ones being painted as oppressors.
It's just reactionar and very skin deep. Many just of label people feminists for any women issue and don't fully fully explain why feminism is flawed a ideology.
I have more often than not seen feminists make unIslamic claims and asks and men give Quranic evidence or evidence from Hadith as to why something feminists want is against Islam then feminists turn around and say the men are "fragile" or "mysoginist" or "cultural over Islam" or "oppressive" or "patriarchal" etc. rather than actually show why the thing they want is compatible with Islam.
You made some really great points in this video. I see feminism in a weird trends living in the west. You must be girl boss and if you’re Muslim you’re not liberated. Among other things. But this is so weird to me because it is fixated on surface level issues. Like why should I have to act like a western male in order to be successful and also why does the world have to fit into the western standard of feminism. Like the French government banning hijabs is crazy. They actually think they’re being /feminist/ and healing /oppressed/ women. Why not invest that same money in supporting social issues that Muslim women experience. Like yes context is very important and I think you can see a cultures bias by the things they decide to focus on whether or not they support feminism
Bikinis are banned in Pakistani beaches. But do you see western tourists complaining about it? No, we don’t, because we respect the culture of the native Pakistani people. The least you could do is respect the culture of the native French people and not wear the burkinis in French beaches. Is it that hard to reciprocate the respect we give you when we visit your countries?
This was great and highlights the need to really talk about all these issues affecting women.
That said I feel this needs a part 2 where you also do discuss the positions feminism has brought to the world, like sex positivism (pro sex work, Zina, etc), mixing with lgbtq movement, actually being anti-religion and pro-atheism.
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Actually I disagree with you
Feminist and ‘civil rights’ movements in non European settings have historically worked with the persuasive and straight up power of religion to secure rights and make arguments for themselves. Those movements don’t go far beyond the imposed political landscape. But militant feminists could easily use religion as a part of their power. It’s hard when the religions themselves have been represented in such a masculinist way though
The problem again is that most of these feminists were also avid westernizers, or colonial power aligned themselves. Like in the large part of south asia, which is now named ‘india’
Which wasn’t South Asia before, either
I just want to interject that women being able to work get degrees and make money is a good thing (not saying you said it was bad) . Reason being especially in the black community THE WOMEN not our men are race loyal. Essentially, when we women provide a certain life style for ourselves we don’t date down & we don’t go back in lifestyles. So, I’ve seen men realize either they can level up and do better or stay single & not get the quality woman they want. Also, my father is a Muslim he took me too mosques growing up. I’m not super educated on the religion but, I do know looking at my community the black community if we did institute Sharia Law it would clean up a lot of the problems we have in our community. Black men in my community have multiple children by multiple women want women who are not their wives to “submit” while they provide nothing & have no self control in the amount or number of women they sleep with. I personally am not a Muslim nor do I agree with everything but, some things in Islam I think can benefit black women especially here in America to get our men under control. At least isLam set a better and clearly standard in my opinion on the mens roles and provisions and taking care of the women. To me a man providing a taking care of his wife is the best kind o feminism there is. Make no mistake I still worked made my money & got my degree but, I have a husband now who pays all the bills and I thought culturally I was supposed to be this “strong independent feminist woman” who didn’t need a man.
Yes, when most women were polled, they preferred more stay at homemaker lifestyle than 30-40 years of career lifestyle (50/50 splitting bills with husband)
@@AC-mp7cx tbf, I feel like that has more to do with the current hellstate capitalms rather than someone innate trait.
@@666kittycat666 Women have preferred that accross eras though. Women have never opted to be primary providers. Nor it is from an Islamic paradigm that a woman should. It's a false sense of empowerment for a woman to be doing 50%. Quanitifying it is unwise in general.
@@AC-mp7cx That's objectively not true but ok. The whole "women's role has always been set in stone" is an increadibly reductive way to look at history. Especially when everyone who makes that argument only ever points to societies that have in the scheme of humanity not been around that long but are also increadibly patriarchial. Gee I wonder why a women's role was always so defined in societes that were super patriarchial.
Thanks for your insights. I must say that I really resonate with your last sentence. As I am studying and almost finishing my degree, to my experience I feel like alot of women and especially muslim girls see their education and them being '' a strong independent feminist woman'' as a payback to the men or probably even society? It worries me because the gap between understanding each other keeps growing, add the bitterness on top of it and we have a mixture that leads to more and more clashes
Omar suliman and nouman Ali Khan speak a lot recently about women in Islam.
Because of them I’ve found some positive clarity about women.
I was depressed growing up because i had no knowledge about women’s rights etc
This is golden.
never felt more understood before.
This is an amazing video masha’Allah
Tas my favourite
Too much feminism or masculinity could be toxic, poisonous, venomous, disgruntled, hostile, and blunt yeah
It is the confusion between equality of opportunities and equality of outcomes .
The former is ideal.
The latter is a curse.
the cat distracted me at the end lol i am such an ailurophile , anyways salam sister
Real talk
My overly simplified take on it is: if you believe in human rights, you are a feminist. If you don't believe in human rights, what the hell is wrong with you!?
Same here. Feminism is a movement. There will always be crazy ones in any group taking things too far.
@@haketyu7891 No, feminism is fundamentally flawed.
It's not the same thing. Big part of second wave feminism was about literary criticism, history revisionism and linguistic changes. It was much less about rights, and way more about ideology.
Human rights are a social construct. You cannot prove human rights to be objectively true
It depends what are those human rights are. Many people wouldnt consider what someone else considers HR, Human rights. The term is very loaded, and biased against the person being asked the question. It depends on the right. What are the rights in question.
Truest words spoken by a woman
Very interesting perspective! I think this video is somewhat limited to cisgender heterosexual women, which is fair, but I think that this should be made clear. Plus, I think it might be interesting to discuss the racist history and legacy of 2nd wave feminism and how intersectional feminism can (and should) counter that
This is a Muslim channel. Only cisgender heterosexual sexual activity is permitted in Islam, that too within marriage only.
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Your very charming and funny Tazzy,I hope Allah guides you the right way
As a male, I think the main thing that is making me not want to associate with Feminism is how cherrypicky it is (at least from what I've seen and the self-proclaimed feminists that I've spoken with).
I agree that expecting women to take on traditionally feminine roles *SOLELY* because she's a woman is a huge issue. I agree that no woman should feel obligated to have kids or start a family if she truly doesn't want to. I agree that a woman shouldn't be paid less for putting in the same work (sometimes even more work) as their male counterparts.
Feminism is meant to uplift women and discuss women's issues, so I'm not gonna go on a tangent and make it about men. But what I will say is that it is a bit frustrating how these feminist women who are so adamant about ridding of gender roles still seem to determine a man's worth by how well he abides by traditionally masculine gender roles. Many feminists *CLAIM* to be against the expectation of men having to act like traditionally masculine men, but won't necessarily condemn it in that instance from another woman in the same way that many feminists expect men to call out and condemn sexism (when present) from other men in their vicinity.
It is about time somebody from the Muslim community responded to Mohammed Hijab and his dawah mates' talking point that women's equality is breaking up families. Hope you continue to counter them because the dawah scene is getting bigger and is not helping anybody but themselves and actually making things worse for everybody else.
I really do hope to see a direct discussion between them both because this video felt very general (and imo not nuanced at all). I want to see how she responds to actual points given by a person with knowledge on the issue like Mohammad Hijab because she didn't really do that here.
(I believe in complete equality as a feminist) Advocating for women is important but we also need to start focusing on mens mental health and making sure we get rid of toxic masculinity. We wouldn’t have as many issues with womens rights if men got their ish together and went to therapy
That’s so true
I dont get why the issues that men have (which are very important) always gets brought up when feminist issues are being discussed. Like if people really cared they would bring these issues up separately and not just use it to speak over womens issues.
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I agree with you.
@@suhanaahmed4960 but feminists argue that feminism is about having equal rights- do you agree? If it’s for equal rights, then men’s issues should be fought for too.
@@suhanaahmed4960 what is the reason for our inequality? Men. We cant realistically fix the problem if men (who are usually holding the most power) still hate women or make sexist decisions that effect our lives. they caused the problem and have all the power, then they need to be educated so they can fix it.
If men are still taught to be misogynistic and sexist… we’re really just fighting a losing battle...
Women obviously need help as well, but it cant all be up to us to balance this major issue of inequality
I honestly do believe in the idea of toxic masculinity. And that if most men were taught to treat women equally, or if they had better male role models, we would not be dealing with this. So their mental health is important. It directly effects us.
I would recommend you read “For the Love of Men” or “Man Enough”. They are feminist books talking more about this subject.
Men and Women are different, so why should they be treated equally ? why not treat them with equity. i dnt know what people mean by equality and what paradigm they get their values from or their concept of morality.
The problem with feminism is there's no proper guidance on it. A lot of people are misguided by what it is, or even most importantly, what it should be.
In my opinion, I think it's just safe to reject the term completely. Islam as a complete religion, for example, is capable enough to put an end to the problems women face all of the globe. If its doctrines are properly taught and followed.
I still think should call the beast by its name and not underestimate the power of words & languages. The same with the term racism for example, it describes a specific type of injustice and using the term helps us combat it more specifically. I think we should try and remove the stigma from the word feminism instead.
@@FatemaEgyptienne feminism has some good to it. But it has caused a lot of damage. Racism is not an ideology, it only describe a condition. Feminism is an ideology that has transformed into a new religion, resulting into misguidance.
It's safe to dissociate ourselves from any man-made ideology, as sooner or later, it will lead to misguidance.
Also, not every woman or man wants to be restricted to a religion that promotes gender roles, some just want to be equal in every aspect
@@sparkled6547 equality in form of identicality is impracticable
Sister there's no such thing as being equal in all aspects. There's certain things only men should do and there's certain things only women should do. For example we have female athletes now complaining that men who become transgender are now competing with them and it's not fair because of men are physically stronger. Lines are drawn for a reason. Hence why shaytan is everywhere easily creating destruction because people don't want to follow what Allah says. They think they know better.
This title was very polemic, I guess many people just clicked on it because of it 🤭
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I hope Allah fills your life with so much happiness
Thanks for this video. You pretty much voiced what I was thinking for a long time. Not all problems in current society stems from feminism. I think feminism here is just being used as a scapegoat or distraction for more sinister problems. Anti-feminists for instance will blame women's rights on the disintegration of the family unit and the unhappiness of men while completely ignoring other things like the p*rnography, war, financial and mental problems and gendered violence etc . It's a complex issue that cannot be blamed on "Durrrr smart women bad" logic.
Keep in mind this isn't something new. There's always been resistance to the women's rights movement. Until recently feminists were judged soley by the extremists and were deemed 'bra-burners' and 'man-haters'. Now they're painted as woke, colour-haired, degenerate snowflakes. Movements like the manosphere, the far-right and even FEMEN are solely created to push back on women's rights. This is why it's so important for us to educate ourselves and know our rights, so we don't fall prey into extreme ideas.
Speaking facts honestly ! It’s rare that I see someone else online who thinks like me
Kitty 🥰😺. Must bother the kitty.
16:51 I think this is an oversimplification of the opposition to the modern wave of feminism, as if the opposing views have no merit, even though they tend to be articulated in a clumsy way.
17:14 You describe the opposing views of men simply as woes. This part is again dismissive and glossed over. You don't show an understanding of the male need for this type of female presence in his home. Yes I understand women have much to offer in service to society (like in the example of female doctors). Yes I also recognise that playing the role of service provider both outside and inside the home is a lot of work. But at least acknowledge that this is the benefit of having those roles split between males and females. And wherever there is gaps to be filled the extended family can take over. This is the full scope of what 'traditionalism' offers.
18:46 The problem with this scenario is that the feminists reliance on this leads to a family unit that is dependent on the services of the state, not the nuclear family and extended family and community. That's basically placing too much trust in the state. This is the opposite of freedom and in fact leads to a sort of indentured-ness. All those services that we depend on from government come at a huge cost, and can be withheld for any number of reasons. Such a society is not resilient against oppression from the state.
I am becoming increasingly interested in the subject of feminism because I feel like it's missing something. And that's the male perspective. A lot of modern feminist talking points exclude the male's needs - ignores how the male is wired. This is done while at the same time demanding that society at large adjust to the female's needs and how the female is wired. So I detect a double standard that is worth exploring. Ultimately this is about Male-Female relationships and the Home - to me THIS is the holistic approach. Without the Male perspective and the best interests of the Home, Feminism is a sort of isolationist movement.
22:00 no one is safe and free anywhere in world irrespective of gender
Its not here nor there but i believe the family issue with 2 income is a mens issue. Work harder so your wife dont have to break her back. I have a full time job, and do several side gigs. You need your AC fixed... hit me up kinda stuff. My wife lives just fine home schooling our kid so hes not learning all that weirdo mess and not math. If she wants she can get a light non stressful part time job. Yeah were not going to europe anytime soon. But do we really need to keep up with the jones's?😊
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Allah says in the quran:
We record that (deeds) which they have put forward and their traces (that which they have left behind)."
Al-Qur'an 36:12
Let me play the devil's advocate here and recommend you watch Colttaine's "Equal Contribution" video.
i dnt know why should we call Islam a feminist religion becoz through that we are agreeing with a principle that women rights are exclusively explained under a feministic lense or a worldview only . i mean lets be honest to ourselves, the clash between Western and Islamic world are of values, western values are defined by Liberalism founded by John locke and expanded over by others. feminism is just an extension of that ideology. (not to be confused with liberals or conservatives) Liberalism is based on a hedonistic principle. where people spend on their desires as long as they are not violating the rights of others, Islam on the other hand is complete opposite. it is based on an existential concept of humanity's place in the world and its purpose. it focusses on living the life according to ethics what God has ordained us, not what we choose for ourselves, i think muslims have never been given the platform to speak openly about this becoz it seems to be counter opposite of the dominant ethics in the world which is liberalism.
I can understand that Pakistan has economic social challenges it faces, but at the same time there are problematic aspects of their culture and are very anit women and counter to Islam.
nobody blames the modern women or women in general for the destruction of families sister. they blame the slippery slope of how the western ethics functions. i am all against child marriages and i support women's education depending what kind of education both Men and Women are subjected to. anyways subbed sister.