Do you think Mythic+ low key pug players learn from their mistakes..?
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I hope they add the respawn location thing from Delves to dungeons so that its more clear to people where respawn points are.
Would love that but doesn't seem like it at least for season 1.
Ahh it's me!! I'm the shaman healer.. I was 513 at this time, and I was just looking to farm some quick wyrm crests.. so I was quite above the required ilvl for this key.. I didn't look at the damage meter for ages until we got to the frog boss where I started to feel bad for not being able to keep the priest alive.. I thought I'm bad.. but then I saw his damage, and checked his ilvl on details and saw it's 428... and was like.."well that explains a lot" and felt tricked into the key. I would have been really mad if we had not timed it but I do understand your argument that we shouldn't have I kinda agree with you.. the gauntlet part was just a clownshow I felt really stupid trying to ress the druid but he could have just started running sooner too. Worst part as well that we didn't even have a carry for damage, the mage did fine but it wasn't amazing either.. I was gonna type "Jesus christ I can't believe we timed this" at the end..
You’re a better person than I am. I wouldve left as soon as i saw 428.
@@Saluuntv thanks so much for a great submission!
his gear was also prob broken and didnt even realise it. common in low keys
That’s why I play with Party and Raidframes showing the actual amount of health. Very clear indicator for low ilvl.
the druid should have his own comedy show. just him playing games
Wearing a murloc costume haha
13:44 is that wise man Stannis Baratheon? “Hard truths cut both ways, Ser Davos.” Great content I’m subbed even though I don’t play retail and have never done a mythic+
Stannis the Mannis, love that quote.
Thanks for the support, means a lot!
this made me laugh hard. There should be some kind of a wow comedy show for things like the dead tauren in a murloc suit.
while being blasted off ..again ! xD oh team rocket would be proud!
@@Virulantt stuff like this cracks me up!
I missed most of season 4, because of remix and other games, and just returned last week to farm the mythic mog on 3 of my healers.
The shit you see in keys 4-8 this late in the season can make a grown man cry (sometimes from laughter).
Make sure you record the keys and send me the ones that make you cry!
As for the priest, it was definitely a joke. Not a great one, but with context to earlier in the dungeon when he said that he probably needs more health, it seems clear he's not ACTUALLY blaming the healer. He's sort of joking in a way that brings blame off himself but also not the healer. His joke is "Lol I have so little health I'm impossible to heal, better blame the healer rite??"
Which also isn't really accurate to his situation because most his deaths were totally avoidable by just not running into things. But he wasn't trying to be disparaging.
As far as just passing the key anyway?
Well, that's a bit harder. The other 3 in the group were playing fine. Even though the druid was dying a lot, his damage was above 100k on Khajin before he died, so explicitly single target (which for a 4 is pretty good - even if not great in high key). So despite the druid's deaths, he seems to be contributing, actually. I'm also seeing important casts get interrupted, the pulls are pretty fine.. So I guess to turn the question on its head and see a different perspective: should 2 players having a bad performance be able to pull an entire low key into non-completion for the other 3? That's I think a harder question to answer. Because the majority of the group was doing fine.
you are spot on. You can also tell by the timing, he writes that when the dungeon is done and the overall is being shown. It's to avoid being called out for his abysmal low dps and remind everybody how often he was dead, but he doesn't want it to seem like he is blaming the healer, so he does this bit. That's not really unusual (not saying its good, but clearly a bad joke bit to protect his own ego from any comments)
@@ThomasBachler01 right that's what I was saying. You wouldn't say this if it wasn't some sort of deflection because it's clearly not funny.
Didn't think about it from the actual overall DPS perspective though.
But ya, I think subconsciously he is basically putting this out there hoping some one will reply "oh ya this healer was shit."
Yeah I think they do. I do. Every season. I will read and watch the dungeon walk throughs several times but at the end of the day I’m more of a hands on player and I’m not gonna study a dungeon guide like it’s a Harvard final.
I’ll make mistakes and get crap for it but by about a month I’m usually climbing to hero or greater
Same. At most I watch one of those 3 minute quick guides. I hate watching guides for dungeons and raids, half the fun of playing wow for me is figuring shit out on my own.
I'll be honest, kinda curious why this video even exists. Clueless players who simply refuse apply critical thinking to their own gameplay exists in all types of games.
@@woopig4419 right but the question here is, do you think some one who struggles this bad like these guys in this key actually learn?
Or maybe more do you find yourself struggling this hard at the start?
@@heythereguysitsMetro na, I think these guys are just new players and the game has failed them on teaching them what to do. If that priest is walking in to a +4 with 428 ilvl and and possibly broken gear then I’m reinforcing my opinion on blizzard needing to work on teaching new players how to play the game.
The priest thinks needs more HP for the second boss. But Desperate Prayer, Fade and Dispersion are where still off CD before they died, also I didn't see them use a Shield on the raid frames or use a flash heal to get an additional 10% dmg reduction
It's true but he obviously needs more health too. You should not die in two ticks of that in this level. Or any really.
Jeez the damage of that priest, i couldn't see the total, but with the times i did see him on the meters, i would extrapolate he did less dps in that dungeon, than what i could do overall LAST expansion! and that's with 10 levels and 4 seasons of gear progression in his favor. Must say its a little scary.
Another banger mate! Imma big time enjoyer :D
@@MegaDanishPride thanks, glad you are enjoying!
The shadow priest is 428, so probably a freshly boosted toon.
Reminds of the S1 Academy, we spend 1 hour hitting the tree boss on 11 and we gave up, we had like 100 + deaths and best pull was like 3% xD
That was a tough one in season 1!
I would have been vibing in that key as healer. As soon as you zone in and see someone with way low health (I'm assuming the Spriest was prob around 500k at 428) all you can do is lean back be like "alright we're doin a carry." Heal the people who matter, top up the carry here and there if you can but otherwise just gotta kick back and enjoy the show
This is a very healthy way to look at it tbh.
Done this several times, espically on tuesdays when people want a key for their alts or something for the vault
Man oh man. I can relate to these poor players just from when M+ was introduced in Legion. I waited until the end of the expansion to begin dabbling, and my friends and guild had been doing it the entire time. I was hard carried so bad and got so frustrated with myself. Fortunately my learning m+ introduction was with them bc they just thought it was hilarious and were able to teach me different keys.
And dang, the Tauren murloc bodies. Play a Tauren RSHam main rocking the murloc outfit with the heart shield. Hopefully folks enjoy the fantastic corpses I leave around from time to time lol.
@@mbailey314 haha the corpse is hilarious!
I played WoW for 3 years on a £180 laptop, it was a nightmare but I could still see mechanics. It just sometimes wouldn't load certain areas, dungeons or arenas lol. I would assume this one was a too busy looking at the buttons to see the environment around them kinda vibe. At least they made it through as a team and completed it on time.
ya some how still upgraded it haha.
The timer is the core problem. In the long run it would be better to work out why you died, but many players are so focused on the moment because they are rushing, and they don't give it a second thought.
Eh that's a misrepresentation of what's happening.
Yes you are right that in the moment they are rushing. But if you die 8 times in 30 minutes you need to slow down and figure it out.
"I think I need more health" - doesn't use a single defensive throughout the fight
Haha ya not a good look from this fella
I think the shadow priest was definitely self-deprecating because it was obvious all of the deaths were the fault of his item level, or him walking into mechanics. It comes across weird because people do actually blame healers a lot, but I think he was genuinely joking lol.
@@isaack8967 well only two deaths were ilvl related. That's what makes me think it's him trying to deflect it but be funny. I know some one who does this irl, I guess is why I'm stuck on it.
Basically say "I can't believe how stupid you are" when it was clearly the mistake of the person saying it, and if some one else chimes in and says "ya they are" then the whole conversation changes from self deprecating to passing the blame.
In order to learn from one's mistakes, one must acknowledge that they've done a mistake. An ability quite difficult for most, spanning childhood to, often times, manchildhood as well.
You are right obviously, but if your character dies in wow you are basically forced to admit a mistake happened.
It's just getting into a single car accident. Who else can you blame at that point, blizzard?
@@heythereguysitsMetro Oh they admit it happened, it's just that their mentality always defaults to: "Not my fault." Whether it's because a healer could have adjusted, or from past experience where that didn't kill them because of some crazy other reason. "Why move and lose dps when I can survive it with heals/ X other class cooldown?" You can't reason with stupid. Now that's a good M+ pug t-shirt!
Not sure if anyone noticed this already but raider io shows the priest is an alt of a 527ilvl, 2955 score prot warrior. I mean with a main like that he was supposed to at least know the basics of dodging stuff i guess.
Oh wow good catch haha, that's embarassing!
also unrelated - i have the same pokemon card folder that's sitting on the couch in the back lol it's so cute
@@pamelajacosqui ya working on sorting through them all in order to sell them. Right outta 1999!
Not even tyrannical and that spriest is getting blasted by the frog. I wonder what his ilvl is.
428
The priest basically died to everything in the dungeon because he was 428 item level during the run. People are really underestimating these keys. There is absolutely no way you walk into a season 4 dungeon with season 1 gear.
@@her0268 I don't really think any of the deaths were due to that low of an item level other than frog boss. He may have survived here and there but his mistakes were really bad
Maybe a couple do learn, if they are willing to
Ya sadly, these two don't seem to be among them!
That happen even in +13 and above...player doing key in time they are no ready but get carry away by the group or comp
@@ReviakRPG I don't think you'll upgrade a key with this many deaths across two players but I suppose it depends on the third dps haha
this is often highlighted in AV, last boss. these lower keys where no one DPSs the shield off the hardened crystal. or just doesn't touch the crystals afterward. as a healer, constantly blamed for this. (with people in my group that of course have it done on higher levels)
@@flumm0x_ ah ya that would be a brutal way to wipe on a low key. If you run into runs like that record them and send them in!
at 10:26 if the boomkin doesn't have projected textures turned on in the graphics settings, the swirlies will not show up. I found this out the hard way doing EB last season with the add spawn on the last boss. Couldn't figure out why I was getting stunned so often until a dps told me about the video settings
It’s dumb that you can even turn those off in the first place.
Ya I agree. The question though is how much it helps performance to turn them off. Obviously you don't need them on in leveling content etc. So if it's a huge deal I can see why they are a toggle.
before i watch the video: no many of them will not learn from there mistakes. sometimes i after the key or after the deplete and most of them doesnt even know there was a change from the keylevel
@@wtfenc0reenix this wasn't really a question for "before the video" but you basically answered the video anyway haha.
I think at the end of the day you are right. If you struggle this bad it's probably because you simply know almost nothing about the dungeon and system.
The priest standing behind the tank infuriates me as a healer.
@@cevans9159 not all the avoidable deaths from the druid?
I just started playing WoW in February of this year and today I finally exceeded 3k pugging on my prot warrior. My first full season tanking in an MMO.
I think the big problem with lower level players, and I saw this quite a bit in League of Legends as well, is accountability. I know that was an issue for me as well. I would always think maybe I was just in bad groups or playing with bad players that wouldn't kick, not using defensives, or doing low damage.
In reality, I was doing a shitty route that I didn't understand how dangerous the pulls were. After a bad night, and stuck at 2700, I sat down for two and half hours and reviewed every single dungeon in MDT. Reviewed every single pull and the mobs that were included. I completely changed the pain points and made adjustments to each dungeon and gained 300 IO in two weeks.
I accepted that I was the reason and I learned from it and took steps to change it. I don't think many of these players even get to the acceptance stage.
They certainly don't, and you made a good choice taking that time to look over what you could do better. But no shot is the route ever going to be the reason you fail to upgrade a key in the 2700 range unless you are going wayyy over count.
This is part of the problem with tanking at times, especially as a tank that struggles to solo save stuff.
If your group is not ready for the difficulty, there is nothing you can do as a tank.
At around 10:00 you talked about the druid dying to the thing on the ground. I believe you can't turn that type of effect off, but if you can then it's gonna be Projected Textures. Unfortunately there's many people who doesn't know that Projected Textures have to be turned on at all times, especially if you're doing PvE content.
@@Laptican ya, I know it's commonly something a lot of players have off.
@@heythereguysitsMetro On my old PC it would be turned off when I used the recommended settings. Very weird and I think it should not be an option at all. This caused a lot of trouble in my old raiding guild because people just didn’t realize why they died and it turned out to be graphics related.
At least put a warning , that you will have a bad experience in grouped content.
It could be handy if dying came with a tip related to the death, it's mostly already in the dungeon guide for bosses, but tips for trash deaths and shoving it in front of the player might help. Often people will die, and they don't really even know what happened or if it was their fault.
@@JordanIdk ya that would be amazing but would be a lot of work from blizzard. Best case there is an addon.
When you died, you get a [You died] clickable link in your chat. You can click that to see your death log. Each thing that did damage to you can be moused over to get a tooltip window showing what exactly that ability does.
I played some Tarisland recently and was surprised that I got a „You can do better next time“ messagebox and a video with every encounter mechanic after a Raid disbanded.
But Opening the dungeonjournal after every death would go to far I suppose.
druid doesnt have projected textures turned on
In game or IRL?
Most people no, not much at least, they just go in and think it's just a scaled up dng and nothing, they don't think anything that has goes with that scaling, their gear their damage, their cc, their defensives, and all of this for their team, the don't think about mechanics a lot.
The system is basically made for, monkey-see-monkey-do people and as people still haven't even bothered to learn their own kit, in the chaotic randomness of M+ pugging they are "called" to learn at the same time when a timer is ticking, you don't learn under stress unless your real life depends on it, 99.99% of the time, that's how the human brain works, most at least.
@@georgeindestructible ya it was more about these specific guys. After all these deaths do you think they learned at all?
@@heythereguysitsMetro Nah, the timer is there only for people who can learn actually, these guys just got carried, i've been the healer in that position, more times than i would've like, but i learned my lesson to just leave.
There are exceptions i might stay so it depends on the people and my patience, my time, or if it's prearranged to help someone and i am ok with it to begin with, because sometimes i think it's ok by me and for me to help people who can actually learn.
Had 28 deaths in a +5 the other day - two dps stood in every frontal in Brackenhide they could find (we did not time it)
@@pamelajacosqui but did you record it, is the question haha
@@heythereguysitsMetro tried to but obs was having a fit, trying to get it sorted out before the next one
on the topic of the projected texture setting... the fact that it's even an option to not have it on (and off by default i think?) is just straight trolling by blizzard. it is by no means optional in this game. small indie company issues I guess.
@@kfactor99 has nothing to do with the company, no clue what that is supposed to mean. It's obviously nearly mandatory in high end content. It's not truly mandatory because the mechanics do appear. Just very hard to see edges so no reason to encourage it to be off. But obviously in like leveling or otherwise low level content, it's far from mandatory.
The only question is how much it impacts the game with it off vs on
@@heythereguysitsMetro In my experience with any sort of GPU from the last 10 years texture settings have 0 impact on performance.
No. Most people don't learn from their mistakes. To learn, basically 2 things have to happen: 1. You must take responsibility for the error. Too many people blame something else; lag, heals, tank, and never about how they positioned themselves, used defensive, interrupted the IMPORTANT cast rather than some useless cast, and 2. A bit of research/learning on what mechanics exist that you can and cannot mediate. I'll see people running their 15 azure vaults, and STILL not know how a mechanic works, because not only have they not tried to learn from it, they've just not cared. Either they were successful because it doesn't punish them enough or they're successful because someone in the group carried the bulk of the responsibility, or it failed, and they did step 1... which is to blame something else rather than their part of the responsibility. I'm not disappointed at this mind you, but only as long as they remain non-toxic. If they want to run in low keys blind and just yolo it but have a great attitude and have fun, success or failure, then fine. But pushing keys and being toxic when they bear 90% of the responsibility is social welfare of keys, and they need to carry their own weight and responsibilities.
I agree with this all but I was more talking about these two specific guys haha
what people need to realise is that the game does very very VERY little to tell you what happened if you do not already know the mechanics, and the game doesn't teach you the mechanics, most people have to look outside of the game and check guides to learn them.
and +4 is in the noob area of keys so you shouldn't expect people to know about mechanics. it doesn't take much time to check the grp members or just ask them if they know the mechanics.
@@vedfur5469 well all they need to do is watch their own gameplay back to see what you did wrong here. That's why I made this video haha
Just did a +12 AA, failed to time it cause one dps did less damage than the tank over all. not the first time that has happened in +10 and over keys for me. lots of shenanigans in higher keys as well.
@@eysteinnkristinsson8911 record them and send them in!
inb4 homie is complaining about an augvoker on the meters
I'd love to know the Druid's thoughts. I only hope they understood that every death was their fault and not the healer's. I think people who spend that much time dead will either be motivated to get better or just wash out of mythic plus. The worry is the people who have no interest in getting better and maybe don't understand what a drain they are on the group. Even worse, I've come across some people who honestly believe they're entitled to participate in group content simply by virtue of reaching max level with no intentions of getting better. Pugs gonna pug I suppose.
@@walrusdojo ya I wish there was some commentary from the druid for sure.
Don't think there is any mistake in there that they shouldn't take full blame for.
Those “jokes” annoy the shit outta me because they same lines are written to us (tank/healer) over and over and over every day and they aren’t a joke. I can’t express how much other people make me hate being a tank. I’ll play as perfect as I can and do everything to keep a group alive and yet you’ll get the the blame for DPS pulling 3 extra groups by accident or a healer getting blamed for someone not avoiding a mechanic and saying they didn’t get healed. It’s a miserable job sometimes
Right that's my exact thought. It's not truly a joke because it's in no way funny.
It's clearly him hoping other people will jump on the "joke" and blame the healer and then he will get to feel less bad about those mistakes.
I think most people refuse to learn from their mistakes
@@Telados I wouldn't say refuse. Just likely don't realize how many mistakes they make. That's why I wanted to count each of them here. How many of these do you think the player actually owned and will learn from?
I think, for the priest, he looks at a lot of these as an item level thing. Like that death to the dragon trash with the circle mechanic. That clearly is a mistake he needs to learn from but probably has no idea exactly what went on.
Watching the druid makes me laugh. I dont think he can see the ground effects
@@noxyoshi let's hope he can't haha
the priest dies so fast..i think his gear is broken. i cant imagine how else all these mechanics would kill you so fast unless youre missing a substantial amount of stamina
oh nvm, it's 428 ilvl. theres the explenation
@@saenct ya I think it's just the item level. But honestly gear is probably broken too.
No, they don't learn. I mean, the majority of them don't learn. You just need to watch for patterns to realise that. Even in 15s. Just take a glance how many times people don't skip properly after Stinkbreath in BH, they will run straight on the road and pull the stealthed packs, then not realise they have combat and boom, disaster happens. Fix is very easy, but people just refuse to learn that throughout the whole season. The same with the storm guy pack before last boss in Ruby, they will not pull it back from where it stands so it naturally aggroes the miniboss right nearby. xD And the fix is very easy! But if you don't spam the chat or acknowledge it in voice chat, they will not do it by themselves usually. Or dragons in RLP, absolute classic, I just hear the dragon screaming somewhere in the distance and have to grip people back so they don't pull it. xD Just look at such typical situations and recognize the pattern, even in 15+ they often do not learn and commit the same mistake the whole season. :D
Was speaking more about these guys. But ya I think you are right with the patterns. They both died to the same type of mechanic half a dozen times and no improvement came.
Well tbf 428 is still pretty low for a 4 fortified( especiallyfor a priest that obviously doesnt know the dungeon and using dispersion). I appreciate the video anyway though and it's good to see ppl nit having a clue of the dungeon :)
Heroics are too low for a 428
@@hauntgaming66 to be fair to what? It was a video about the mistakes they made. Item level really only played into two of the deaths right?
428 isn't even enough to queue for a heroic dungeon.
just funny looking back at arguments I had with very high rio players and they all end up telling me keys below 17 are a joke/piss easy
They kind are. You just watched 3 ppl time a key my guy, with 2 animals on the party.
maybe they are a joke in deed, when you do have a premade. pug? not that much :p
@@TheMormero what's funny about that and why is it relevant to this video?
Obviously some one who does a 20 is going to find a key three levels lower than that easy.
But some one who does a 15 thinks a 17 is unreachable too. Not really any joking matter, just how things work from a perspective stance.
@@hugofreitas6799 2.5 because the mage decided to randomly afk.
is this related to when 17s were 17s? Because 7s are now the old 17s. Because previous seasons a 17 and below was a joke and piss easy. A 17 now is key that will get you into the top .1% and the title.
At 428 they had to have queued with some one else in the group (my guess is the tank ). Because i dont see how any pug group would take them.
Ya he was with the tank I believe.
During the last season of shadowlands we took low geared people quite regularly in low keys or the weekly +15, since the content was really easy to do.
But yeah it is very unlikely to happen. Maybe it is his key and he queued with the tank or a high ilvl dps.
Leave the druids alone! Funny vid though lol.
@@lesoldham1 druid has some real bad deaths that I hope he learned from. Makes me really concerned when they are getting hit by stuff that easily though. The priest dying because of item level is understandable at least.
I think the gap between bad gear and good gear is way too big. This should not me timeable when one player is getting hard carried and this many deaths happening at the same time.
I often Carrie guild mates or get carried by them on alts and think it’s just bad gamedesign. On the other hand I don’t know how to do it better 😅
@@Skare147 ya no way to do it better and the rest of the group is not crazy geared either.
some maybe but most no because they are there not for personal improvement but for loot
@@vladislavzdravkov4057 so you think people are used to dying 10 times and just don't care because they only care about loot?
@@heythereguysitsMetro on low keys that is the norm most of the people want to do minimal effort to take a loot and leave
Im just tired of seeing low ilvl people in keys. Why was a 490 in my 9? People just want the carry and not the grind
@@kingtut8367 no reason not to be, is the answer. If blizzard allows them to get that far that's the game telling you you shouldn't be worrying so much. Or just set an item level cap on the groups/refuse to do it with them.
No, no, they don't. I just carried a pally on 9 key yesterday who did less damage than the tank on every fight. He wouldn't res, I don't think he even knew how to interrupt.
@@omy8443 those are the ones you wanna record!
a played some low keys < 5 range on a 490ish holy priest, and what i have seen... oh boy, people dont understand a single mechanic, dont interrupt (dont get me started on stuns etc.) they will never learn how to get "better", and i guess they dont care, and for me its not understandable how u cant give a single dime, if u dont like m+ thats ok, dont play it but dont waste other peoples time.
Happens in higher key also unfortuntaely. Bricked a 13 AA last night. Surv hunter with 2 kicks and no CC used, died constantly. Ret with 3 kicks, no CC, and never used bres so every boss minus bird was 4manned. Bricked by 12 seconds. One bres on any of those 3 bosses would have resulted in a faster boss kill to secure the key.
Record the keys and send in the outliers!
Sure they learn but it takes a will to improve and not all have that
and that's fine like you don't need to be the best wow player ever to slam some keys on a weekend
@@Erik_Arnqvist it's more of a question about these guys. This many deaths between two players. Do you think they are learning or just going to make the same mistakes in the next halls they do
I think the priest might learn something but as you said the druid seemed generally clueless
@@Erik_Arnqvist ya the druid didn't seem to understand anything haha
@@heythereguysitsMetro Him flying across the screen in the damn murloc suit at 10:20 was hilarious. Kinda admire them pushing through for the upgrade like I can see how the murloc druid chain dying to goofy shit would piss people off.
heals???
@@brizwaldjonson ffs healer...
No they don't. Most people are looking for a carry.
I suppose in general I agree but if two people die this many times, surely they are eventually forced to learn right?
It varies person to person. I play with some very stubborn people. You can tell them all day what they need to change to be better and they won't do it (watch fights, watch better players play your class, stop clicking/keyboard turning, rotation). Some people just improve without needing to be told. It's all about what their goals are and their ability to see themselves from other people's point of view. Some people come home from work and just want to turn their brain off and play some games. They don't care how they're performing or how it affects the people around them, and they don't want to treat wow "like a job" and improve their performance. Some people strive to be better at the game, but they won't take any advice. They say they "can't" learn how to keybind "because of small hands" (a legit bs excuse I've heard). Some people think they're really good when they are in fact very horrible. Then there are people like me, who prepare and do everything they can before they even attempt. Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance. Plus, to me, not coming prepared, not striving towards the groups goal is just complete disrespect of their time and mine. My guild has a group of about 5-8 people who are capable of running 14+. We have another 5-8 people who think they can participate in 14+ because the capable group of people carry them through 12's xD. Many of whom will die to improper defensive usage because they didn't take the time to understand where the damage is happening in their lower keys. So there is defnitly a spectrum, but most people fall on the "its not a job" portion of the spectrum. It is just a game, but some of us its our only game so we take it a bit more serious.
I don't disagree with any of that. Just was more talking about these specific guys. Do you think that after 15 deaths between them they are learning or just going to keep making these same mistakes? Do you think they understand that there were this many individual mistakes or do you think they just say "bad run" and pretend it won't happen again?
@@heythereguysitsMetro ahh lol. I would side with likely didn't learn much. Most people only pay attention to themselves, so they're likely not learning from other peoples mistakes and the person who consistently makes mistakes is also the person who consistently doesn't learn. So maybe they learned something new, but not nearly as much as they should have xD and in low keys with how the environment has been. (mains needing whelps so they go destroy some low keys). Average player doesn't even know whats going on half the time. They're just a long for the ride.
I find it really rude and disrespectful to expect people to carry you through a +4 at 428 ilvl when you could just go and fly through a few dreamsurge coalescence and craft a full set of 486 gear.
I don't leave keys often but if I saw the keyholder's gear I would just leave because they are looking for a hard carry.
That said his comments at the end were obviously meant to be ironic, he was well aware that it wasn't the healer's fault he died so much.
I for sure felt I was tricked into the key, but I don't like to leave keys early unless we mutually agree or I'm getting bullied (which hasn't happened yet) .. I wonder though if they had timed this key if let's say a holy priest was healing it because I can assure you the big shocktrooper pack would have killed them if I don't do stun totem and knock up. On the first shocktrooper pack the druid did actually use his interrupt but I don't think the spriest interrupted a single thing.
I would advise you to be more selective about starting the dungeon then.
That's very unfair of you to not realize until half way through and then leave. As you see, they easily upgraded it. And frankly the druid played just as bad if not worse and was properly geared.
@@heythereguysitsMetro They would have still timed the key with 4 people too. But would you agree to start a key with 4 people? The fact is that this guy was trolling and hoping people wouldn't inspect him before the key started. I don't think it should be up to the people who joined his key to inspect him (and it must have been his key, because nobody would have invited him). He could have explained in the advertisement that he was ilvl 428 and expecting a carry, but he did not. The key took about 15 minutes longer than it should have been expected to if it had 5 people contributing.
The issue for me is that he could easily rectify this because getting to 485 is trivial. I would be more forgiving of someome 485 trying to do a higher level key, because maybe they just got unlucky with loot so far. But this guy at 428 could spend 30 minutes getting himself to a respectable gear level but can't be bothered. Even just doing the weekly outdoor quests would get him 4-5 480 ilvl pieces of gear.
@@samward1317 absolutely would not have upgraded it with four, what makes you think they would have?
But yes 100 percent on you if you are worried about this. This is how pugging works. If you have artificial rules about groups it's on you to enforce them. No one is "trolling" by playing the game a certain way. It's not like the guy isn't trying.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I disagree, like I said I do think he's not trying. The best way he could improve his performance is to go and spend a short time doing some very easy outdoor content to get himself to a sufficient gear level. But he wasn't willing to do that.
'This healer..... omg... he let me die 8 times...., KIDDING', call it extreme but this type of attitude needs to be punished, I get he was probably joking but it was an unnecessary comment, ignoring his lack of gear, his defensive usage was as bad if not worst than his gear, we need to encourage people to play healer/tank this type of passive-aggressive BS is not needed, honestly I doubt the SP/Bomie learned something, they are the type of players that stuck at 8-10 level and yell on forums how bad M+ is, tho, I will give the boomie the W as he did not complain in chat
@@asasdsaasda extreme for sure. No punishment needed. But ya I do think that was a comment psychologically fishing for validation.
yes that is very extreme, as a healer I'd get a chuckle if someone typed that after this type of mess because it's just such a ridiculous situation to be in. Punishing someone for that obvious joke would be insane. Nothing even passive aggressive about it, you're thinking way too much into it. They're just joking at how comical how many times they died is. If anything they were mocking the people who legitimately complain.