The BEST Alternative to DnD & Pathfinder?

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  • Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024

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  • @TheSavageGoose
    @TheSavageGoose 11 месяцев назад +28

    Savage Pathfinder is by far one of the best things that has been done to promote Savage Worlds.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад +4

      It makes us so happy to hear this. We love Savage Worlds and really wanted to make a video that did the system justice! Thanks again for watching and leaving the amazing comment!

    • @tommiskey
      @tommiskey 8 месяцев назад +3

      What's more, Savage Worlds has a bunch of other settings, so if the players enjoy Pathfinder for Savage Worlds, they might also enjoy the western horror of Deadlands or the Sixth Gun, or the space adventures in The Last Parsec, or supervillains vs aliens with Necessary Evil. People often seem to be clamoring for 5e versions of various settings, but Savage Worlds already has them!

  • @PEGShane
    @PEGShane 11 месяцев назад +7

    Thanks for the great and thorough review! Its great to see folks giving other systems a try. We still love D&D and Pathfinder and so many others, but seek to scratch a few different itches. Cheers :)

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks so much for the comment and thanks for making this incredible system! We can't get enough of it!

  • @SGTMaitiMaus
    @SGTMaitiMaus 11 месяцев назад +6

    This iteration deserves more love. Glad you guys covered it! Currently running Lost Mine of Phandelver with my group using SW Pathfinder.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      We agree! We had a blast with this system and can't recommend it enough for crossover DMs. Thanks for watching!

  • @lexington2968
    @lexington2968 11 месяцев назад +4

    Thanks you guys for the Savage Worlds content! Love seeing it get some love and be brought to the public eye.
    Savage Worlds is such a strange system and does take some getting used to. But after learning it and figuring out how it runs, it easily became my go-to system.
    The "Any time, any place" slogan is also backed up by an insane list of setting books.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад +2

      We've been blow away by the system and can't wait to try other settings. Deadlands is at the top of our list.

  • @DMTalesTTRPG
    @DMTalesTTRPG 11 месяцев назад +4

    Their Fantasy Companion is also fantastic!

    • @ericqel-droma7628
      @ericqel-droma7628 8 месяцев назад +1

      I was just about to post this. The amount of value in the Fantasy Companion is unreal. As much as I like Savage Pathfinder (and it's my group's main system), I kind of wish I'd been able to start with the Fantasy Companion. It's fantasy rules, class-ish advancement, and a monster manual all rolled up in one book. (Yeah, you do need the Savage Worlds Core Rules, but still...)
      Given the setting-agnostic nature of the basic SWADE system, going Core Rulebook + Setting Companions is a great option.

    • @DMTalesTTRPG
      @DMTalesTTRPG 8 месяцев назад

      Yah, though a lot of people ADORE Savage Pathfinder, and the fantasy companion drops that name a good amount. I find it great there are multiple options!@@ericqel-droma7628

  • @saralovesbrioche1294
    @saralovesbrioche1294 11 месяцев назад +7

    Great video! You made me laugh a bunch. You earn a bunch of bennies

  • @mavfan21
    @mavfan21 11 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks in part to your channel I just bought the Ultimate Boxed Set, it's only $149 US on Amazon today! I'm excited to start playing. Please keep Savage Pathfinder and other Savage Worlds content in your video rotation!

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад +1

      That's great! We just received some great things from Pinnacle, so stay tuned for more!

    • @TroelsRohde
      @TroelsRohde 9 месяцев назад

      That sounds like an insanely good offer, after seeing the video about it

  • @karlhayden9834
    @karlhayden9834 11 месяцев назад +6

    Love SW my favorite setting is Deadlands! I really hope someone converts the SW Pathfinder rules to Fantasy grounds Unity, as i run almost everything online now.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      We're looking forward to trying Deadlands and cracking into the awesome box set.

  • @captaindudeman3613
    @captaindudeman3613 2 месяца назад

    Fantastic overview fellas. Going to use this to pitch the idea of the system to potential players
    Subscribed!

  • @KARGAAN
    @KARGAAN 11 месяцев назад +2

    I'm going to share this like it's hot.
    Saw your Savage pathfinder box review and I bought it immediately after. Very professional review 👏 👌

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад +1

      Much appreciated Kargaan! ❤️💀

  • @kennymahan9354
    @kennymahan9354 25 дней назад

    Savage Pathfinder is my go-to for fantasy settings now.

  • @MisanthropicPrime
    @MisanthropicPrime 11 месяцев назад +3

    Fan of Savage Worlds now? Count me as "subscribed!" I hope you continue your SWADE journey and produce more videos on the game and settings.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад +1

      MWAHAHA! Welcome to the Legion of Liches! We just received some great things from Pinnacle, so strap in!

  • @Primordian-P
    @Primordian-P 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for posting this video guys.
    I've been looking forward to this review episode on the game. I've come to similar conclusions on the perks of running Savage Worlds Pathfinder. If you ever get around to making a sample playthrough video of a simple scenario to show off the system's mechanics in action I'd be real glad to see it.
    As a GM I've already had my players make both Pathfinder 2 and Savage Worlds Pathfinder versions of their existing long running D&D characters. This has been to playtest and see which system will mesh best with the ongoing campaign I had been running. An important decison before I start the major task of converting everything in the game over.
    The change in mechanics from D&D (we used a hybrid (D&D 2E version) was initially a concern. This is because the rules I would choose should be able to make everything that happened previously in the D&D run sessions still have seemed feasible to have happened story-wise and line up without anything feeling too jarring after the campaign mechanics changed.
    It's of course different, since that is inevitable but still workable. The fact that I do a lot of "mind's eye theater" and use quick narrative descriptions to begin with makes the transition seem easy.
    To test the combat system we repeatedly set up a out a scenrio where the two newly converted characters fight a group of orcs. There is an orc boss (wildcard) , three orc (extras), and 2 goblin (extras) in a fantasy town street.
    Savage Worlds Pathfinder ran smoothly and lent itself to manipulating the environmental obstacles to have minor effects with bennies usage. It was good fun.
    I still have to test that same scenario out with Fantasy Age too, as I have heard many good things about that system as well (particularly the "stunt" system).
    Once all three are tested I will go all in and translate the numerous existing recurring NPCs in the campaign to the system chosen.
    So far Savage Worlds Pathfinder in the lead.
    The jury is out on Fantasy Age, but we might as well see what that is all about too.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      Sounds like you're putting these systems through the ringer. Love it! Good luck!

  • @neuromancer9k
    @neuromancer9k 11 месяцев назад

    After watching your video on the core box, I went looking for it and was able to find a couple of sites that sold it at a discount (Miniature Market being one). Good to see this video (and others) explaining the game-play. Thanks! ⚔🎲🍻

  • @carmillachoate
    @carmillachoate 11 месяцев назад +1

    After watching y'all bust into the starter box I have been waiting for a breakdown of the game

  • @GeekToMyNerd
    @GeekToMyNerd 6 месяцев назад

    I’ve been running Runelords for around a year now, in savage pathfinder and it has been the most fun I’ve had in Golarion in YEARS

  • @gryffn8860
    @gryffn8860 5 месяцев назад +1

    It’s great that you like the system but when will there more content?

  • @grantboardman7880
    @grantboardman7880 11 месяцев назад +1

    Savage Worlds is pretty fun!

  • @Valior86
    @Valior86 11 месяцев назад +5

    I found my perfect system in Dragonbane, there's not much stuff out yet, but pretty sure there's going to be more by the time I finish adventuring through the Misty Vale

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      We love Dragonbane! It's so good. It doesn't scratch the D&D 5E or Pathfinder 2E itch though. It's closer to Old School Essentials or other OSR products. That being said...Dragonbane is quickly becoming our go to system for that style of play!

  • @Vigilluminatus
    @Vigilluminatus 4 месяца назад

    Many good points. The biggest problem I have with this game is that to my knowledge there are no rules for fights against single boss monsters - even wildcards are barely able to keep up with the heroes and need extras to present a challenge, but for a dragon that can challenge the whole party alone without extras you need house rules. And once in a while I WANT such a boss fight.

    • @vancomycinb1193
      @vancomycinb1193 2 месяца назад

      Should be able to make that happen with a dragon with high toughness/parry + armor. You get hit it, but getting a wound...unlikely.
      Give it a few Racial abilities like "Hardy" and Toughness, and you've got something *really* hard to hurt, plus with advantages. I mean, look at adult maze dragons in deadlands...One of those could be a match for a posse.

  • @invictuscenturion8468
    @invictuscenturion8468 6 месяцев назад +1

    Curiosity peeked. Im finding that most modern TTRPG’s have characters that have endless abilities and powers, so much so at even low level its nearly Marvel style play. Is this good? Sure, can be. Seems i want the characters to “earn” it a bit more.

  • @dannylampron9879
    @dannylampron9879 9 месяцев назад

    Savage worlds is one of the best ruleset to have fun in cinematic games. For more realistic game, I would use BRP or GURPS.

  • @tinaprice4948
    @tinaprice4948 11 месяцев назад

    This sounds really fun :D

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      We've been having such a good time playing it. One of the few systems we've come across that gives us that DnD play style.

  • @mikewalsh875
    @mikewalsh875 9 месяцев назад

    Lads, well done!
    Do yourself a favour a get Deadlands- it’s the best weird west game available and, once the setting is read, generates campaigns and adventures that feel like they’re writing themselves.
    You won’t regret it.

  • @kalleendo7577
    @kalleendo7577 11 месяцев назад

    Awesome!

  • @Jeffs40K
    @Jeffs40K Месяц назад

    Have you looked into Savage World's Deadlands ? Been a While, going to do more videos ?

  • @minimoose7890
    @minimoose7890 11 месяцев назад

    Are the rules different from Savage Worlds? Or just the setting/lore and classes?

    • @marjae2767
      @marjae2767 11 месяцев назад +1

      If you have the Savage Worlds core book, Savage Pathfinder builds ancestries with 4 points instead of 2 points, it gives all starting characters an extra edge, which they can use for a class for for a professional edge, it uses the wound cap rule by default, and some smaller changes. The class edges are the biggest change.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      Yup...what they said!

  • @MonocleTopHats
    @MonocleTopHats 11 месяцев назад +3

    I've been deep diving into looking at Savage Pathfinder to emulate that D&D feeling with some better rules. Theres a few things that have concerned me:
    1: Solo boss fights! Pathfinder 2e does them very well, 5e not so much but theres really good third party support for them. Savage worlds doesnt seem like it plays well with a solo Wildcard, i would hate the idea of hyping up a bbeg for a few sessions, putting on epic music and then..... oops he drew poorly got focused down even through the one wound limit you slapped on him
    2. Encounter balance! The prevailing wisdom seems to be "savage worlds is inherently unbalanced and swingy, dont worry about it!" which seems a bit concerning. The only guidance in the book is one wildcard plus a few extras per player, but like... The tarrasque and a goblin ranger are both wildcards. I dont need a strict CR equation or anything but there doesnt even seem to be guidance over how to build encounters for novice vs heroic parties, etc.
    3: inter-character balance. No one talks about this! How do martials feel option-wise and power wise compared to casters! Are there many noob traps in the game? Entangle sounds like its pretty strong even with a history of changes to the power, and blasts can take out whole groups of extras at once. Ranger is designed the same old way we've been moving away from re: favored enemy and terrain. If a new player just picks what vaguely looks cool will they have a useful character or will they pale in comparison to the sorcerer/monk multiclass with all the right preplanned advances
    4. This system begs to be theatre of the mind friendly but came out before zone based combat was really a thing, the focus on miniatures combat seems to be hard to get away from
    Thanks for highlighting your experience with this system, it truly does seem really really good for the games i wanna play, these potential pitfalls are whats stopping me from doing the herculean task of convincing my game group to try YET ANOTHER "d&d but bettter"

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      Your best bet is to get the system to the table and give it a shot. If you're concerned about a few of these things maybe run through a couple of combats with one other person to get a feel for balance etc...

    • @ericqel-droma7628
      @ericqel-droma7628 8 месяцев назад

      My group switched from P2E to Savage Worlds last year, and we've run into most of the problems you mention here. To my way of thinking, the real question is "what kind of game do you want to play?"
      For my group (and for me as the forever-DM), the multi-layered complexities of character creation and encounter design in P2E, combined with the amount of math/note-taking we all had to do, were real drags on our fun. For a lot of folks, the incredible balance of the P2E system is a positive. If you like that, I say go with it.
      For us, the math-lite, swingy-nature of SWADE/Pathfinder is much more fun. My players are still wrapping their heads around one of them being the tank, one of them being the healer, etc., so class-balance hasn't become a sticking point. However, the wild die really does balance things out. Even a character with low fighting (d4) has 3/8 chance of getting an ace on every roll, and that's just plain fun.
      Solo boss fights are the big downer for me. The best advice I've seen with them is to turn them into video game boss fights. Instead of wearing down hit points, make the boss invulnerable until one of the crystal statues are destroyed. Then a new crystal statue is created once the boss takes a wound, etc. It's an easy way to keep the one-turn boss-kill from happening. At the same time, SWADE is really about making the PCs feel like bad-asses. If someone's dice ace and ace and ace, it can be a thrill to go with it and have the boss just get annihilated by the math rocks.
      SWADE works great for every genre, but it's not for every group. For my group, it's energized our play by speeding it up and helping my newbie players feel powerful. Your mileage may vary.
      I hope you enjoy it.

  • @bearbeard6604
    @bearbeard6604 11 месяцев назад +3

    Who puts in their books spine first? You monsters.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад +1

      HAHA! Technically we don't...it's called movie/youtube magic.

  • @allanwroe285
    @allanwroe285 11 месяцев назад

    Hi guys, I have a licensed setting for Savage Worlds called The Secret Files of Section D. Let me know if you’re interested in doing a review on your channel.

  • @Sfourtytwo
    @Sfourtytwo 12 дней назад

    Wow savage worlds, probably the jankiest system on the planet with crit chances that go down if you get more proficient. Could i interrest you in some high quality horsedung perchance? Also an amazing solutions you are a hero by getting an additional d6 "per definition".

  • @minimoose7890
    @minimoose7890 11 месяцев назад

    I'm hoping for the upcoming DC20 system to replace dnd5e and PF for me.

  • @Sammo212
    @Sammo212 11 месяцев назад

    Been running my group through Dragonbane right now and they really love it. Nice mix of dangerous adventuring mixed with characters who have lots of strategy.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад +1

      We adore Dragonbane! However, it's way more old school feeling. When we want to scratch that DnD 5E itch with a different system, Savage Pathfinder has constantly been a winner!

  • @jacobrodgers7743
    @jacobrodgers7743 11 месяцев назад

    Not a fan of Savage Worlds, so I noped out super early. Hopefully the mix a both are better than my prior experiences, but I'd have to find a really good group to dip my toes in again.

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      It might be worth trying again with a different group. We've been loving it.

  • @Joshuadmathews
    @Joshuadmathews 6 месяцев назад

    My off the cuff opinion, 5e just looks boring and doesn't look like a good game and PF 1e or 2e (.5) just looks too complicated. There are a lot of flaws within the d20 system and most or present in 5e but SP fixes a lot of these. For my tastes, rules need to be "easy" - for those who have played 3e+ for 20 years and have a great understanding of deep mechanics, sure, I get how learning more mechanics and crunch would be fun and their cup of tea. I think we're just so accustomed to how original D&D did it and thought about it and then how 5e kind of simplified and revolutionized it that we miss that it can be done better without having to do how D&D has always done it. By no means do I know the better or have it all figured out, but I know critiques could be laid against the concepts of: HP, AC, Initiative, round economy, rolling to hit, ect, ect, we're just so "familiar" with these concepts because they're the "OG" but do they really make "sense" and are they "fun"? Imitative for example really is an extra step and for solo play is usually a pain in the rear and too much book keeping, SW/SP, makes imitative FUN and exciting instead of, great, okay everyone roll for initiative again and let me get my notebook out or go buy some dial thingy's to help keep trace of who's going when. At my table, I have everyone keep their imitative card a secret. Then all at once, we all reveal it at once. This adds tension and excitement to the table. In my mind, SW philosophy is that everything, or when possibly, should be fun for the player. Waiting for your turn in a 45 min combat could be fun to some but those "new" to the hobby that could be a chore, no imagine that combat lasted for 3 hours! SP keeps things going. And turns insta-kills up to 100. So every swing of your ax could go either way instead of a predictable spread sheet of numbers and math and percentage mechanics.
    I haven't played enough of SP to say its at the top of for Fantasy rpg but it probably is. My table didn't get into the adventure provided in the GM screen and as a GM I had difficulty creating the sort of Deadwood-like and There Will Be Blood feel of the town/sawdust camp because I struggled making that world seem real and tangible (my players wanted to explore the town and setting more than just jump right in and GM stuff didn't help me with that at all and I Had just come up with it on the fly and obviously failed) and because of that, they lost interest after night one of continuing. That was my experience and isn't against the game bc its an adaption of a PF 1e adventure, but I do think the game could benefit from more introductory stuff (like an adaption of the intro box set adventure for PF1) or one offs instead of giant campaign $100 boxsets.

  • @DeclanFeeney
    @DeclanFeeney 11 месяцев назад +1

    Not a big fan of Pathfinder for Savage Worlds. I’d recommend Fate Freeport over this, or possible Warhammer Soulbound- both of which do the DnDesque thing better (in my opinion)

    • @BasicLiches
      @BasicLiches  11 месяцев назад

      We've got the Soulbound Starter Set. Just haven't gotten around to trying it yet. So many games...so little time! Thanks for watching!