Good review. I got mine with the Kickstarter (a bit cheaper that way). We played it a couple times in between campaigns, and it always was fun and memorable. A full campaign is on the horizon.
This is a very good review; it is refreshing to see the view of someone completely new approaching the system. Hope you guys give it a try, would love to see a follow up video with your thoughts after playing! Personally after trying this system, I wouldn’t want to go back to a d20 system again; among other reasons, combat resolution is much quicker and more exciting.
I really appreciate you guys. Your commentary is both entertaining and informative. What you had to say each step of this unboxing was much more valuable than “the bottom line,” decision on whether or not the product is worth buying. As for the product itself: it’s a luxury product, after a fashion. You can indeed play the game with pennies and a regular deck of cards. This set isn’t quite as swag as something like Beadle and Grimm’s stuff, but the idea is the same: better, more immersive and dedicated gaming supplies. You only NEED about a third of it, but the quality aids the experience. I’m not in the market for this. I DM for a gaming group that is 2 families who get together and most of the group is not into it enough that they would bother migrating to a new system. I love all this stuff though. I will happily listen to you two fellows talk about your experiences with this game.
Awesome review, thank you! Gives me much to ponder 🧐 ... And after a brief ponder I found this boxed set for half price ($96 + $4 S&H) and the Rise of the Runelords Boxed Set for half price ($50) as well. Looks like a great system to Solo 🤓 Thanks again for your honest review!
@@BasicLiches Now have all in hand: What a fun unboxing! Three hardbacks (with RIBBONS 🥹), a sturdy GM screen + adventure, map (should have been double-sided, but ok), dice, all kinds of crazy cards... and those clay casino grade Bennie tokens! Boombastic 😎
I'm a fan of both Savage Worlds and Pathfinder, but upon looking at the high price for the box set (and noting that I actually did get the SWADE boxed set that had many similar features (oversized card deck, powers cards, templates for cones and blasts, bennies, etc) I decided to only order the Pathfinder for SW books separately. I'm happy I did it that way and saved $120.
Great review. This is more geared for the GM than the players but as you pointed out, it's everything you need. Also, Pinnacle will give you the PDF of all the books as long as you can provide proof of purchase. That's a nice bonus to have
Based on your review, I picked this up from the Pinnacle store for $150 during the Black Friday sale. It turns out that PDFs are also included in the purchase, which is a nice bonus. Definitely looking forward to playing this!
Lookin forward to ya'lls review of the system tbh. I haven't played SWADE yet but I have done a decent amount of Cypher System, which seems to be SWADES main competitor. The additional stuff like cards for initiative and Die size for skills sounds very fun. I mostly bought SWADE for Rifts, but I am interested in PF for it.
Ok, this IS a tough price to swallow at once, BUT this is targeted primarily for GMs, not for players. And everyone being DM knows that it is quite expected cost of starting something new. So considering target group and what it brings to You - it is not expensive per stuff, just per chunk size. On the other hand, players can always just buy the core book and dice, not this box. Yeah, and even though I don't play pathfinder, this type of videos is main reason for following You, and You two are brilliant at doing those! PS. Comparing this to WotC products is painful...
I did buy this, but as part of an ever bigger box. I paid like 500 bucks all told, because it included the companion, metal “gold” coin bennies, two adventure path boxes (with fancy handouts and npc card decks, as well as a beautiful harrow deck). I think it was worth it, personally. My group is usually up for splitting the cost of stuff, but I felt this was more of a luxury item for me. I want to have the pretty stuff in my game room even after we’re done with it. I feel the same way about my OSE box.
I think the most important thing your missing is that this is a COMPLETE SYSTEM in a box. This box has the CORE RULES written right into it. Unlike other settings in savage worlds you have to buy the CORE SWADE book. CORE SWADE is built right into this box set.
We most definitely didn't miss that. Specifically in the part where we showed the included core rulebook lol! Thanks for watching (even if only for a little bit) ;D
@@BasicLiches I watched the whole video, your not getting what I'm laying down. That Pathfinder core book has all the edges and hindrances and spells and rules you find in swade core, they set up Pathfinder core so you wouldn't need to buy the swade core. Saving you money. Normally when you buy a setting you only get edges and hindrances that pertain to that specific setting. Make sense?
Oh yes, OK I understand what you are saying now, apologies. At the time of recording, we didn’t realize how many other adventure books had a core rule book without the savage world adventure edition rules included, though we did state many times that this ultimate core box set has everything you need to play the game. Thanks for the insight!
quick chase rules, I love that higher cards, which allow moving first, have disadvantages which get better as the cards get lower. I am going to use them in all swade games
You're welcome! The rules for the system are REALLY good. We're going to play it soon and will probably make a few more videos to share our final thoughts/review. Stay tuned!
Great review! Also, let's be honest no one pays MSRP for anything that they can avoid it. This box that can be had for about $150 to $160. I was on the verge of buying this a few months ago and I was scouring the internet for the best deals and ultimately decided against it. The best bet is for any group to just buy the Savage worlds adventure edition core book and the fantasy companion. It won't be quite the same but honestly if you want to play Pathfinder go play Pathfinder.
Great review! 200 isn't bad as long as your group actually plays it! I have bought a few different games, spent a lot on the books and then myself or as a group we decide not to even try the game out :( So as long as you can afford it and actually use it , the time you spend playing with family/friends is priceless :D
Honest review, couldn't ask for more. Although I'm a Savage World junky, $200 is just too expensive for me. Savage Worlds is played fine using proxies for everything included in that Ultimate Core Box. I like to get everything in pdf and print as needed... leaves more money to buy other Savage settings or an Adventure Path or two.
Thanks so much for watching and for dropping us a comment! Stayed tuned as we've been playing Savage Pathfinder and will be sharing our thoughts in a few weeks.
Great unboxing. I don't get the issue about the price. $200 for years of entertainment? TTRPG books are actually underpriced. All the items in one box set is great. Next I want to see your impressions from playing it.
200 bucks is quite the investment, especially when as an alternative you could potentially purchase some or most of contents individually for a cheaper price. The core book and monster manual are about 90 bucks physical, down to about 50 for PDFs if you don't mind waiting for a sale, and if all you want is just the system that's a much smaller pricetag to enter. At that point the extra cost of the box set is going to be the value you place on all the extras that are included, if it's not worth it to you it's better to just grab the books on their own.
Spoken like someone who has alot of money to burn. $200 is asking ALOT and more so if you don't know if you'll even LIKE the system or play it. It's a considerable investment. Now if you already like Savage Worlds and Pathfinder 1E then the price tag is alot easier to swallow. Honestly for the price and if you don't mind digital you can just buy the pdfs for considerably less investment. The core book is $25 with supplements at $15 like the Bestiary, Advanced Player's Guide, and Compendium.
It's a bit tough to swallow all at once. But you're getting a complete system for the money. It's not a beginners box or a starter set. It's the full blown system. And $200 (or $150 online) is close to what you would spend on a bunch of DnD or Pathfinder books. Also, the quality is absolutely superb...can't stress that enough!
@@muigokublack6487 How much the price tag will bother you will always depend on your financial situation. I had times in my life where this would have been a years worth of leisure spendings. Now it's nothing I think or worry too much about. I guess the point the other guy was making is that ~5 guys could have hours and hours of fun with this. Or go to cinema once or twice with the same kind of money. Directly compared to other ways to spend your money to have fun roleplaying games are incredibly cheap IF you are playing them regularly.
You can find all kinds of themed playing cards to match the setting of your Savage Worlds game. Dragon cards, space cards, cyber punk playing cards etc. Just run a search with the key words. There's everything.
Sooo I'm thinking about buying the books for this system. This is post BG3 and I'm just finding this video. I don't want to give WotC any more of my money (for reasons)... and the more I learn about Savage Worlds as a system, the more interested I am in running it. I'm also looking at the Savage Worlds Core book as well. So where is the follow up video to this _AFTER_ you've played it like you said you would.
I really enjoy Pathfinder. It's flexible, usually genre agnostic, and it's easy to pick up. $200 is a steep entry point though, despite everything you get. I mean you get A LOT, but at the same time, so much of it is extra, extraneous, and not really needed. Still, if you can get a group buy in, I think it's worth it. I will probably at least check out the core book, the Savage World's Fantasy book is pretty basic, and this looks to have a lot more. Great review guys!
If you play with minis (and you should) don't use the status cards. Use different coloured bingo chips for the statuses (red = wounds, Blue is shaken, Yellow distracted etc) You put the chips right by the mini, wounds stack as high as 3. Put your pencil away boys, we don't track HP here.
This is a good review of the box contents, but I'm also really looking forward to seeing a video after you folks post the post game session review that I understood was going to be happening. How did it play? My gaming group are looking at Pathfinder Savage worlds or Fantasy Age 2e to convert our D&D campaign over from, so all information about Pathfinder Savage worlds/Fantasy appreciated.
We're set to film our Savage Pathfinder Review this weekend. We've got enough sessions under our belts that we feel comfortable making a video. The quick and dirty review - It's an amazing system and we're really impressed with it. The video will probably be edited and posted in a few weeks after we film it (we've got a few more that we're already in the process of editing. Thanks for your patience!
You should crack it open. We've been playing it and it's a really fantastic system! We'll have a full review of the rules in a few weeks. Thanks for watching!
We did sort of brush by it at the very beginning of the video...but yes it should be mentioned that they're converting those lovely first edition adventure paths to Save Pathfinder! Thanks so much for the comment.
I supported the Kickstarter, so paid less for my box. But I think you are correct that the components in the box more than merit the $200 cost. Much of that content is flossy bells and whistles, that you don't absolutely have to have to play. My group uses most of the components and decks. But if you don't want all the accessories - or already have variations of them from from SWADE or the SWADE version of Deadlands (bennies, condition tokens, etc.) - then you will be fine just picking up the rule book and the bestiary. It is a great system. I will never return to D&D or Pathfinder.
Solid overview, though wouldn't it have been better to price-compare with Paizo's Pathfinder books, rather than D&D? MSRP $60 for each of the three core books.
Thanks for the comment! We'd love to record our sessions, but we need some more equipment/ a dedicated filming space. Hopefully in the future it will happen.
I do like Savage Worlds a bit more than pfv2. Really if money is an issue just get core rulebook and bestiary and regular playing cards. Use nickels for bennies and youre fine. If your group decides they like then maybe it's worth the full kit
I've played savage worlds a couple of times and love the system. I hate Pathfinder, 3.5, sorry just not my bag. But I've seen these books and love the art and Pathfinder had great adventure paths so I've been very curious. Can Not Wait to see you guys give a play review, would love to watch that gameplay also. Good job, 5 starts🥇
We will be playing it soon and will provide a full review. Recording our plays is still a pipe dream at this point...we've got grandiose plans for it and it requires more equipment than we currently have. But it will happen someday!
If you get just the two books, which is what you actually need to play, it is not that expensive! Not cool to buy the most expensive version of a product and then allude that it is an expensive buy in.
The 200 dollar price is a great deal for what you get especially since the company will give you the PDFs for everything free with proof of purchase.
Thanks for the info.
Good review. I got mine with the Kickstarter (a bit cheaper that way). We played it a couple times in between campaigns, and it always was fun and memorable. A full campaign is on the horizon.
We can't wait to play this. There will be a full system review once we get a few sessions under our belts. Stay tuned!
This one earned you my subscription. Well done.
Thanks so much!
@@BasicLiches You are most welcome.
This is a very good review; it is refreshing to see the view of someone completely new approaching the system. Hope you guys give it a try, would love to see a follow up video with your thoughts after playing! Personally after trying this system, I wouldn’t want to go back to a d20 system again; among other reasons, combat resolution is much quicker and more exciting.
Thanks so much. We've got a one/two shot coming up and we will certainly report back with a full review afterwards.
Love Savage worlds and Savage Pathfinder kicks tail.
I really appreciate you guys. Your commentary is both entertaining and informative. What you had to say each step of this unboxing was much more valuable than “the bottom line,” decision on whether or not the product is worth buying.
As for the product itself: it’s a luxury product, after a fashion. You can indeed play the game with pennies and a regular deck of cards. This set isn’t quite as swag as something like Beadle and Grimm’s stuff, but the idea is the same: better, more immersive and dedicated gaming supplies. You only NEED about a third of it, but the quality aids the experience.
I’m not in the market for this. I DM for a gaming group that is 2 families who get together and most of the group is not into it enough that they would bother migrating to a new system. I love all this stuff though. I will happily listen to you two fellows talk about your experiences with this game.
Thanks so much for the amazing comment! We're playing it soon and will have a few more vids with our gameplay review.
Awesome review, thank you! Gives me much to ponder 🧐
... And after a brief ponder I found this boxed set for half price ($96 + $4 S&H) and the Rise of the Runelords Boxed Set for half price ($50) as well. Looks like a great system to Solo 🤓
Thanks again for your honest review!
Sounds like you got an amazing deal! Have fun!
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Now have all in hand: What a fun unboxing! Three hardbacks (with RIBBONS 🥹), a sturdy GM screen + adventure, map (should have been double-sided, but ok), dice, all kinds of crazy cards... and those clay casino grade Bennie tokens! Boombastic 😎
I'm a fan of both Savage Worlds and Pathfinder, but upon looking at the high price for the box set (and noting that I actually did get the SWADE boxed set that had many similar features (oversized card deck, powers cards, templates for cones and blasts, bennies, etc) I decided to only order the Pathfinder for SW books separately. I'm happy I did it that way and saved $120.
Yeah, the Paizo tax was heavy on this set and I almost went just digital because of it.
Great review. This is more geared for the GM than the players but as you pointed out, it's everything you need. Also, Pinnacle will give you the PDF of all the books as long as you can provide proof of purchase. That's a nice bonus to have
Based on your review, I picked this up from the Pinnacle store for $150 during the Black Friday sale. It turns out that PDFs are also included in the purchase, which is a nice bonus. Definitely looking forward to playing this!
Lookin forward to ya'lls review of the system tbh. I haven't played SWADE yet but I have done a decent amount of Cypher System, which seems to be SWADES main competitor. The additional stuff like cards for initiative and Die size for skills sounds very fun. I mostly bought SWADE for Rifts, but I am interested in PF for it.
I'd love to see some Savage Pathfinder actual plays or general content!
Ok, this IS a tough price to swallow at once, BUT this is targeted primarily for GMs, not for players. And everyone being DM knows that it is quite expected cost of starting something new. So considering target group and what it brings to You - it is not expensive per stuff, just per chunk size.
On the other hand, players can always just buy the core book and dice, not this box.
Yeah, and even though I don't play pathfinder, this type of videos is main reason for following You, and You two are brilliant at doing those!
PS. Comparing this to WotC products is painful...
I did buy this, but as part of an ever bigger box. I paid like 500 bucks all told, because it included the companion, metal “gold” coin bennies, two adventure path boxes (with fancy handouts and npc card decks, as well as a beautiful harrow deck).
I think it was worth it, personally. My group is usually up for splitting the cost of stuff, but I felt this was more of a luxury item for me. I want to have the pretty stuff in my game room even after we’re done with it.
I feel the same way about my OSE box.
Totally agree! It's a premium product and really does have everything you need to start playing. We've been happy with it. Plus the system is AMAZING!
I picked this up from Miniature Market on sale for 150, absolutely worth it
I think the most important thing your missing is that this is a COMPLETE SYSTEM in a box. This box has the CORE RULES written right into it. Unlike other settings in savage worlds you have to buy the CORE SWADE book. CORE SWADE is built right into this box set.
We most definitely didn't miss that. Specifically in the part where we showed the included core rulebook lol! Thanks for watching (even if only for a little bit) ;D
@@BasicLiches I watched the whole video, your not getting what I'm laying down. That Pathfinder core book has all the edges and hindrances and spells and rules you find in swade core, they set up Pathfinder core so you wouldn't need to buy the swade core. Saving you money. Normally when you buy a setting you only get edges and hindrances that pertain to that specific setting. Make sense?
Oh yes, OK I understand what you are saying now, apologies. At the time of recording, we didn’t realize how many other adventure books had a core rule book without the savage world adventure edition rules included, though we did state many times that this ultimate core box set has everything you need to play the game. Thanks for the insight!
Good review guys and fun unboxing!
Thanks!
quick chase rules, I love that higher cards, which allow moving first, have disadvantages which get better as the cards get lower. I am going to use them in all swade games
Great review guys!
I just ordered it based on this video. Thanks!
Thanks! I had no idea that Savage Pathfinder existed!
You're welcome! The rules for the system are REALLY good. We're going to play it soon and will probably make a few more videos to share our final thoughts/review. Stay tuned!
We've loved Savage Pathfinder so far. Before we can move into playing the campaign though, we have to finish our ETU game in SWAdE
I really enjoy the glare.
Great review!
Also, let's be honest no one pays MSRP for anything that they can avoid it.
This box that can be had for about $150 to $160.
I was on the verge of buying this a few months ago and I was scouring the internet for the best deals and ultimately decided against it.
The best bet is for any group to just buy the Savage worlds adventure edition core book and the fantasy companion. It won't be quite the same but honestly if you want to play Pathfinder go play Pathfinder.
We've heard that mixing the fantasy companion with Savage Pathfinder works pretty well...more options. Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Great review! 200 isn't bad as long as your group actually plays it! I have bought a few different games, spent a lot on the books and then myself or as a group we decide not to even try the game out :( So as long as you can afford it and actually use it , the time you spend playing with family/friends is priceless :D
Honest review, couldn't ask for more. Although I'm a Savage World junky, $200 is just too expensive for me. Savage Worlds is played fine using proxies for everything included in that Ultimate Core Box. I like to get everything in pdf and print as needed... leaves more money to buy other Savage settings or an Adventure Path or two.
Thanks so much for watching and for dropping us a comment! Stayed tuned as we've been playing Savage Pathfinder and will be sharing our thoughts in a few weeks.
Great unboxing. I don't get the issue about the price. $200 for years of entertainment? TTRPG books are actually underpriced.
All the items in one box set is great. Next I want to see your impressions from playing it.
200 bucks is quite the investment, especially when as an alternative you could potentially purchase some or most of contents individually for a cheaper price. The core book and monster manual are about 90 bucks physical, down to about 50 for PDFs if you don't mind waiting for a sale, and if all you want is just the system that's a much smaller pricetag to enter. At that point the extra cost of the box set is going to be the value you place on all the extras that are included, if it's not worth it to you it's better to just grab the books on their own.
$200 and you don't even know if you like it or if you'll ever play it.
Spoken like someone who has alot of money to burn. $200 is asking ALOT and more so if you don't know if you'll even LIKE the system or play it. It's a considerable investment. Now if you already like Savage Worlds and Pathfinder 1E then the price tag is alot easier to swallow.
Honestly for the price and if you don't mind digital you can just buy the pdfs for considerably less investment. The core book is $25 with supplements at $15 like the Bestiary, Advanced Player's Guide, and Compendium.
It's a bit tough to swallow all at once. But you're getting a complete system for the money. It's not a beginners box or a starter set. It's the full blown system. And $200 (or $150 online) is close to what you would spend on a bunch of DnD or Pathfinder books. Also, the quality is absolutely superb...can't stress that enough!
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How much the price tag will bother you will always depend on your financial situation.
I had times in my life where this would have been a years worth of leisure spendings.
Now it's nothing I think or worry too much about.
I guess the point the other guy was making is that ~5 guys could have hours and hours of fun with this.
Or go to cinema once or twice with the same kind of money.
Directly compared to other ways to spend your money to have fun roleplaying games are incredibly cheap IF you are playing them regularly.
You can find all kinds of themed playing cards to match the setting of your Savage Worlds game. Dragon cards, space cards, cyber punk playing cards etc. Just run a search with the key words. There's everything.
Sooo I'm thinking about buying the books for this system. This is post BG3 and I'm just finding this video. I don't want to give WotC any more of my money (for reasons)... and the more I learn about Savage Worlds as a system, the more interested I am in running it.
I'm also looking at the Savage Worlds Core book as well. So where is the follow up video to this _AFTER_ you've played it like you said you would.
🤣 Sorry, we had some recording issues with our full review, but be on the lookout this Friday, we hope you’ll enjoy it!
Great stuff! Thank you for sharing ❤
I really enjoy Pathfinder. It's flexible, usually genre agnostic, and it's easy to pick up. $200 is a steep entry point though, despite everything you get. I mean you get A LOT, but at the same time, so much of it is extra, extraneous, and not really needed. Still, if you can get a group buy in, I think it's worth it. I will probably at least check out the core book, the Savage World's Fantasy book is pretty basic, and this looks to have a lot more. Great review guys!
Thanks for the reply and thanks for watching. We'll have a full review of the system in the near future.
If you play with minis (and you should) don't use the status cards. Use different coloured bingo chips for the statuses (red = wounds, Blue is shaken, Yellow distracted etc) You put the chips right by the mini, wounds stack as high as 3. Put your pencil away boys, we don't track HP here.
We think this actually comes with status tokens that you can punch out and mark the minis with.
This is a good review of the box contents, but I'm also really looking forward to seeing a video after you folks post the post game session review that I understood was going to be happening.
How did it play? My gaming group are looking at Pathfinder Savage worlds or Fantasy Age 2e to convert our D&D campaign over from, so all information about Pathfinder Savage worlds/Fantasy appreciated.
We're set to film our Savage Pathfinder Review this weekend. We've got enough sessions under our belts that we feel comfortable making a video. The quick and dirty review - It's an amazing system and we're really impressed with it. The video will probably be edited and posted in a few weeks after we film it (we've got a few more that we're already in the process of editing. Thanks for your patience!
That's great to hear. I look forward to the seeing the video.
Miniature Market is a great way to get this at a more reasonable price, and it qualifies you for free shipping all by itself!
Indeed! Lots of online retailers have it for much cheaper which makes it even easier to recommend.
Fantastic review! It would be awesome to see the review of SWADE as a system.
Thanks for the comment. Stay tuned....we're getting this to the table very soon and will be doing a full review after a few sessions.
I got this during the Kickstarter with Rise of the Runelords. Still unopened.
You should crack it open. We've been playing it and it's a really fantastic system! We'll have a full review of the rules in a few weeks. Thanks for watching!
Not for me, but I appreciate the review, Liches
You didn't even mention Pinnacle/Pazio are re releasing the Adventure Paths for Savage Pathfinder, The Rise of the Runelords is out now.
We did sort of brush by it at the very beginning of the video...but yes it should be mentioned that they're converting those lovely first edition adventure paths to Save Pathfinder! Thanks so much for the comment.
I supported the Kickstarter, so paid less for my box. But I think you are correct that the components in the box more than merit the $200 cost. Much of that content is flossy bells and whistles, that you don't absolutely have to have to play. My group uses most of the components and decks. But if you don't want all the accessories - or already have variations of them from from SWADE or the SWADE version of Deadlands (bennies, condition tokens, etc.) - then you will be fine just picking up the rule book and the bestiary.
It is a great system. I will never return to D&D or Pathfinder.
Solid overview, though wouldn't it have been better to price-compare with Paizo's Pathfinder books, rather than D&D? MSRP $60 for each of the three core books.
Just discovered this channel but it seems to be on hiatus? I hope more videos will be on the way
This was super cool, glad you did it! Maybe I can save up money.
Great job guys, can you record the gameplay?
Thanks for the comment! We'd love to record our sessions, but we need some more equipment/ a dedicated filming space. Hopefully in the future it will happen.
@BasicLiches no worries, as long as you post the video. :)
This was an unboxing video, not a review. No game play feedback.
We're playing it sooooooon and will have a video with our final thoughts.
I do like Savage Worlds a bit more than pfv2. Really if money is an issue just get core rulebook and bestiary and regular playing cards. Use nickels for bennies and youre fine. If your group decides they like then maybe it's worth the full kit
I've played savage worlds a couple of times and love the system. I hate Pathfinder, 3.5, sorry just not my bag. But I've seen these books and love the art and Pathfinder had great adventure paths so I've been very curious. Can Not Wait to see you guys give a play review, would love to watch that gameplay also. Good job, 5 starts🥇
We will be playing it soon and will provide a full review. Recording our plays is still a pipe dream at this point...we've got grandiose plans for it and it requires more equipment than we currently have. But it will happen someday!
I'm a mark for ribbons in my RPG books.
Every game should have them.
Both Savage Worlds and Original pathfinder are jewels... 2dnEd Pathfinder... is different. My players hate it, and I have some mix feelings.
We've played Savage Pathfinder now and both of us kinda...sorta think it's better than PF2E. Full review coming soooooon!
Shaken should be Shook, for the kids today.
[old man voice] “Back in my day it was quiverin’ in yer boots!”
I would add, as a savage DM you also have to add shipping so that $15 is more like $20 at least.
True. If you get it from an online game store you might luck out and hit their free shipping threshold.
do not forget to toll the dead! bli'ng
If you get just the two books, which is what you actually need to play, it is not that expensive! Not cool to buy the most expensive version of a product and then allude that it is an expensive buy in.
We really hope you watched the video because we made this exact point about our own review 😉
That's not a review, that's an unboxing. How's the system.
We're playing it soon and will post a video with our thoughts!
Pinnacle does not have good customer service