HUNTER In WotLK Classic: Was It Any Good Though?
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
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Hunters have always been a class I keep coming back to in WoW, and in Wrath they certainly don't disappoint
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:13 - The Hunter
1:51 - What's New Baseline?
7:58 - Survival Talent Changes | PvE
10:36 - Marksman Talent Changes | PvE
13:16 - How Do We Expect The Hunter To Perform In PvE Overall?
15:15 - Hunter in WotLK Arena | PvP (Beast Mastery, Marksman)
18:48 - Hunter Tier Sets
20:27 - Conclusion
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HUNTER In WotLK Classic: How BROKEN Is It Now?
Too bad hunters go back to being just average in Wrath. That was a good one expansion run of dominance in TBC.
These are so much fun to watch and get me excited for wotlk classic
Thanks! You‘re almost the only one with a very good PvP coverage and explains it in details with reference to the talent points etc.💪🏾
That’s what I’m looking for. 👌🏾👍🏽👍🏽
I played WoW off and on from 2005-2010, mainly on a hunter. I enjoyed doing MM, BM, and Surv over the course of vanilla, tBC, and WotLK. Although I felt like I lost some RP over the expansions, the QoL and smoothness of play was improved over the two expansions. I had my most comfy PvE experience in Wrath for sure. Good times!
Wait? Is the title wrong? I tou it should be " HUNTER In WotLK Classic: How BROKEN Is It Now? " no?
it must be a meta comment on the bm nerf
Willie the brainiac
I thought it was a joke given that peoples perception is “Hunter isn’t meta so it’s bad”
Hahahah
He changed the titles of the previous How broken is it now to match this title
Love the vids! I mained a Hunter and WoTLK era was hands down the most fun I ever had playing the game! It’s when I really got into Raiding and the PVP was excellent. So many epic winter grasp battles, at least until they added cross-faction character creation on the same server and the sabotage began lol. I continued through Cata, but never played as seriously again once MoP released. WoTLK was the peak experience IMO!
What spec did u play?
I was playing Survival spec. during WOTLK
Let me correct a few things. You can't get hit trough deterrence, deterrence specifically gives you the ability to parry attacks from any direction. There are specific select spells that go trough it though. Its the unavoidable attacks such as Cheap Shot, Overpower and Chaos Bolt. Second you don't need to switch the tracking type to get the bonus. You get 5% bonus damage to all the types mentioned as long as you are tracking any of them.
What about Fury of Frostmourne?
I’m always deterred from eating from a trough.
The tracking thing is thought to be a bug, kind of too early to tell
backstabbing attacks (like Backstab or Shred) can hit through deterrence, as well as openers. chaos bolt gets deflected.
@@LikeVenom18 Chaos bolt pierces Deterrence, the only things it doesn't pierce are Divine Shield and Ice block
This video has got me really excited for hunter in wrath. Can't wait to play to survival.
I plan to re-roll on Fresh for Wrath and BM hunter is the class I've always leveled fastest and consistently had most fun with, so big advantage there when there will be limited time to level. Great for grinding / farming / soloing. Will also level a rogue for a gold making duo.
Keep it up! Love the content.
I thought it was supposed to be “how BROKEN is it now?”
My guess is naming consistency or something for the youtube algorithm.
@@Liaxtube He changed the titles of all the "BROKEN" vids now to this style. I guess he realised this title gets more clicks.
Loving these class vids! Hope you do mage next!
The real OG survival and explosive shot.
Now this is the video I've been waiting for.
You dont need to swap between tracking types. As long as you have one of your hunter tracks active you automatically gain 5% damage buff to all types of tracking. Unless im specifically looking for something, i usually keep smth like track giants so it wont clutter my minimap
There’s a macro when you apply Hunter’s Mark , it also applies the correct tracking
@@TheodorBrb you dont need the correct tracking. Thats the whole point. You just need to have 1 of your tracks active and you have yhe dmg buff for all targets
@@floreaciprian9742 nooooooooooo its a bug
@@doncorleone1720 nope. At wrath launch you had to swap em, but during wrath it was patched so you dont have to swap em (either ulduar or toc patch)
@@floreaciprian9742 I think you're right, I remember my hunter friend being very happy about that.
Man watching these makes ALL classes seems fun :D I could never choose a main in WoW lol So many alts, someone would say too many ahahaha
Survival was great in PvP though.
Also, Marksmanship in 3.3.5 was top tier in PvE tbh. Once you get 1k4 Armor Penetration+DW, you're pretty much unstoppable.
its good in pve too, you melee weave and drop explosive trap to proc lnl
Yeah once you stack enough armor pen is was border line broken lol
It WAS godtier in PvP, but they changed the explosive shot glyph from chance to stun to increased crit.
only in WPvP, not arena.
@@hado33_ You cannot melee weave unfortunately. They removed it.
Been maining hunter for years and no plans to stop. Wrath ready lets get it.
Hunter claps cheeks in wrath
My Class, never change! Survival going to be the bomb!
Hunter was my first love and the first character I played when I first started WoW at the start of Classic in 2019. I loved marksmanship a lot and took it all the way through naxx to basically hitting full bis. Then TBC came and the changes to rotation and dependancy on pets ruined that love for me because it felt clunky to play. Seeing how much hunter is gonna change in Wrath, maybe it will be something to play again, albeit as an alt this time. My first character definitely deserves some love!
@@freedmfe8934 mop was nice as well
@@NoFutureForG0uda Mana is better tho.
Been waiting for this
Isn't the titel wrong ? I thought the wotlk series was "how broken is it now"?
I always jump around when I'm waiting for anything, like the boat, for the party members to arrive on a dungeon. Now I can do that in style with Disengaged
Great editing
As a hunter you can misdirect mobs to your raid members so going afk near a hunter is super risky.
One of the biggest reasons to play hunter right there.
I used to force my gm to ice block so I could beat him in dps 🤣
@@AccountInactive I love this.
Speaking of which, one day my GM and I were messing around in Silvermoon just because, and led her to where Lo themar was. “Hey, watch this” I misdirect all three to her and FD in a corner while I watch them one shot her. I lost out on loot for two weeks but I was rolling with laughter. I love misdirect.
@@brandoncastellano1858 worth it!
@@AccountInactive *casts blessing of protection on hunter*
you can still clip ur autos by walking, so you might still need an swing-timer
I've been playing WoW on and off since just before original BC came out, and hunter was the one class I never really touched. Just recently made one for Wotlk classic and fuck it is so fun. It's got me addicted to the game again
Explosive shot procs were so dam fun.
WillE, you are very talented at what you do. Keep it up even if you are a terrible influence on me lol
I mained hunter for most of my OG WoW career. I've seen a lot of people saying that hunter is boring and "dull" and I just don't get it. I found hunters to be quite dynamic, kiting is fun and hard core raiding though WOTLK are some of my fondest memories through WoW. Will be fun to see how they do through raids again.
Personally, I started in Wrath, hunter was my first character and I loved it. Survival was amazing back in Wrath. I looked at it in bc and I was not as excited.
All classes have how broken is it now?, hunter has is it any good now?
Love the series watched all of them still waiting for my classes to pop
I forgot how much I loved surv in wrath
They put so much work into Talent Trees back then and Abilitys its insane if you compare it to Today it feels like going to some 1 Cent Shop and before you where eating at 5 Stars Restaurants..
I think the avoidance changes would habe been worth mentioning (unless sou talked about it in the pvp section, which I skipped). And with that the ability of pets tanking raid bosses. I remember tanking Sindragosa with my pet back in the day
How does a pet hold aggro? Especially after the air phase?
@@heygek2769 Good question. As far as I know, the pet taunt is an actual taunt in WotLK, so people wait until the Pet taunted once or twice, but it's been a few years, so I don't know exactly^^
Deterrence info was wrong.
It’s a weird ability so it’s understandable.
Deterrence won’t allow any magic or melee attacks to hit you EXCEPT melee attacks from stealth and backstab style abilities. Why?
Stealth abilities like cheapshot and ambush aren’t coded to be parried so deterrence actually can’t parry those abilities and they will go through the Deterrence to damage the hunter. Same with out of stealth backstabs and shreds.
When dueling a hunter, he can press deterrence and a rogue can vanish/Cheapshot the Deterrence and then all damage can hit the hunter because you can’t parry while stunned.
Chaos Bolt & Overpower also go through Deterrence, Chaos Bolt has caught me out so many times on Warmane because it hits like a fucking truck in Wotlk.
BM sure was hit hard with the nerf bat. Early on in WOTLK it still was the top DPS spec in PVE by a wide margin. I remember topping meters in Naxx in dungeon blues when others were decked out in epics. Then patch 3.0.8 came and ended that short but fun period. I'll never forget the 36 seconds of CC immunity in arena :')
classic wotlk will use patch 3.3.5. even some people think hunter will go to markmanship from the start
its stil pretty good with correct build 2set bonus and devilsaur for naxx patch as 3.3.5 patch I played it a looot in various pservers at competitive level and was doing as much or more dmg than the other hunters even with them being slightely more geared
As a former Shadow Priest, BM Hunter was a nightmare in 2v2 Arena
Hi Willie, hope you are doing well. I just wanted to ask your advice on something. I would like to theory craft some WoTLK builds for Warrior but apart from a talent calculator, I have no means to test the dynamics of the build. I was wondering if it possible to test things in game somehow?
survival hunter looks like itll be alot of fun in dungeons
Hey I just sat down with a sandwich gonna give it a watch keep these up
I mained a hunter the first time around and ill be doing it again with a hunter of the same name :)
as a gladiator hunter ,
hell nah man it was such and uphill battle . 3v3 we had difficult time . we did have a 5v5 comp though
I managed to do decently memeing as a BM hunter in certain ICC fights with lots of stuns taken, where BW could be synced to immunize them. Other than that, though, yeah, it was just SV -> ArP MM.
Does Marked for Death work on your auto attacks (Auto Shot)?
Regarding the improved tracking talent. I was under the assumption you don't need to track the actual mob type to get the bonus. Just as long as you track any of the types specified in the talents it gives a 5 % damage increase. Am I correct or incorrect? :)
Correct.
No you are inncorrect. You have to track the specific enemy
Partially correct. The talent only works with the mentioned tracking types,however,from those it is irrelevant which ones you use,all of them gives the damage increase regardless of the actual mob type.
If you're attacking humanoids but you're tracking beasts, you don't get the damage bonus. But then again, its very easy to weave in a macro to change your tracking type to enemy type, that way if you switch from a humanoid to a beast NPC your track changes automatically.
Thank you lads and ladies for the replies :) I did some research and this is the conclusion that will end this discussion.
In patch 3.0.2 the improved tracking talent was added with the formulation:
"Increases all damage done to targets that are being tracked 1/2/3/4/5%."
This indicates you have to actively track the type you cause damage to in order to get the 5% damage increase.
However, in patch 3.0.8 this talent got reworked and the updated formulation stated that:
"While tracking Beasts, Demons, Dragonkin, Elementals, Giants, Humanoids and Undead, all ranged damage done to those types is increased by 1/2/3/4/5%."
Which indicates you now don't have to change the tracking type in order to get the damage increase.
Hope this helps!
how are you getting such well detailed models for your intro? they look amazing.
Awesome as always!!
Definitely gonna be one of my alts Hunter is always really fun to play
I am ready for pre patch.....let's go already sheesh...fresh wrath...I'm waiting.
I remember the hunter has glyphs or something that makes heal on the pet double and every half a second
I searched for this and couldn't find it
I had a hunter from wotlk days and I knew this but I don't know if it's from a wotlk Expansion or from a later Expansion
I do not know if it is not available now, but it was added in later patches
Are meta pets still a thing in Wrath? Where if I pick one pet over another I could be losing substantial dps?
I have a Hunter alt purely for farming, (Engi/Mining) and she has made pretty much all of my gold. Sadly I was a little bored with her in alt runs as you just press Steady Shot all day. Might get more involved with the class if it's becoming more interesting in Wrath, which it looks like it will. 👍🏻
Tbf u can play it much differently if u can be bothered. Melee weaving and intense rotations depending on attackspeed procs etc. Makes a boring, relatively low dps rotation into a high skill ceiling enjoyable experience.
@@joethompson4811 Indeed. Spamming steady shot mindlessly will do good dps, bm hunter is just that strong in TBC, but you can always decide to do it correctly and get even more dps! Just reiterating ur same point.
Just rolled a hunter about an hour ago and now I see this video. Hope it's good news!
It doesen’t matter, play what you like screw these losers making vids on what to play and what not to play.
@@mariuscroitoru4983 Wille is not making a video on what to play or not he's making a video highlighting all the changes. If you look real closely you can see that he's doing it for every class.
@@theaveragecodpl4yer how dense are you? He is influencing players to play or not to play a certain class or spec…
@@mariuscroitoru4983 You mad that your class isn't gonna be at the top of the meters anymore? He's just laying the information out there and then you can make your own decisions.
@@theaveragecodpl4yer not mad you donkey 😂😂 just pointing out the obvious
Apect of the Beast's melee AP is interesting, since aspect-switching is off the GCD, it might be good for melee weaving.
Edit: melee-weave is dead, ranged and melee weapon now share their swingtimer.
As a hunter main since late vanilla and alot of opporunity to stuff round with specs during tbc especially, it would have been far more interesting during tbc. That with the new disengage would have been insanely more fun to play with during tbc.
...this makes me want to come back. Wanna play Hunter or Lock...
Did you forget to mention they can tame t-rexes and core hounds finally? I didn't hear you mention it.
In ICC I got (with buff food) 100% Arm pen MM, it was disgusting damage!
i really enjoy bm hunter its a chill af spec im a casual bg player i dont like pillar humping arena i just gear out as much as i can from bgs and now winter grasp vault sets.
Pretty sure Arcturis (spirit bear) wasnt put in the game until Cata
I stand corrected, wowhead has it at version 3.3
How about Thori'dal, the stars Fury. The legendary hutner bow. can you do a video on that and what it would be like in wrath ?
I just got it during prepatch, and well, i'm worried it will be crap in wrath :'(
The title change really got me confused 😂
Does the title suggest that hunters are not broken in wotk?
Yes, they are not broken. They are up there, but you will be hard pressed to compete with Rogue, Warrior, Mage and Warlock. Mind you, it's not an auto win. If they play like dogs, you can come out ahead.
@@novat9731 Hunter is pretty equivalent to Warrior and Rogue in endgame gear but the skill required to match their dps is far higher.
Hard to be online these days, any small typo will always be mentioned in comments... :^)
*dots you and runs off* Checkmate hunter
@@novat9731 mine was broken. Lots of arp = ez
Damn I miss pets having talent trees.
I remember when the Great Hunter Nerf of 3.0.2 came. It was a dark day. All the BM Hunters cried out in one voice. We were forced to choose SV or MM if we wanted a spot on our raid teams. I used to follow a prolific BM blogger named BigRedKitty. He was fantastic and always gave great advice. He was THE BM Hunter. And even he ended up going SV. But, through him I learned to trap dance and all the other little tricks involved in Hunter in Wrath.
Having said that, my heart will always be BM. I still use Loque'nahak as my primary pet in Retail to this day. It took me two weeks of 2-4 hours a day doing loops around Sholazar Basin to find and tame him. It was an incredible rush and a moment I'll never forget.
I'll still level my BM Hunter, but will use him primarily for dungeons and 10 man content probably after it's been nerfed.
Great video as always!
I remember BigRedKitty! I also followed him back then. And yep, he also switched. Made such a thing of it lol.
@@grantbullimore When I caught Loque, the first thing I did after feeding him was name him Beearekay and took a screenshot to send into BRK. My /salute shot to him ended up in his tribute video, too!
As a hunter player thank god they nerfed the braindead "i'm afk watching my pet do the job" spec.
Sure it's fun but 0 skill, so it shouldn't be as strong as a more mechanic intense spec as long as you get used to it.
Wait, wasn't this the "How broken it is" series? OHHHHHH we are at the hunter, nvm...
Was the title change back to 'was it any good though' intentional?
Gonna main Hunter, but be Marksman from day one, challenge the SV norm :D
I love hunters and the idea of BM hunters able to tame exotic beasts but would I really be at a disadvantage if I play casually and wanted to be BM?
Hey WillE, I think you took the title from Vanilla Classic (Was It Any Good Though?) instead of WotLK one (How Broken Is It Now?), at least that's what I understand from the video.
Hunter main through all of classic shout outs green gang
did something change? in ICC i was top 3 dps in 90% offf boss fights
You can still Clip Autos when your moving, so I would keep a Swingtimer to stutter step
Auto shots fire on the move now.
@@Davivd2 Wow wiki says otherwise - auto shots were cancelled on the move until 4.0.6, Cataclysm
@@gordonjackson4040 is right. They do not fire while moving in wrath
@@Davivd2 They dont, you need
to stand still
@@Davivd2 thats cata
i watched 25hc bossfights of wotlk and hunters are alot of times in the top 3 in dps, even against legendary weapon warriors, i dont know if you can call that the ''middle of the pack''
Survival instincts isnt new, they just changed the +4% attack power part into +4% crit with specific spells and moved the talent upwards a bit.
So it's new
My only question is this: Is the patch we will be on going to be the one where you can no longer tame the oily wolf or not?
it's 3.4.0, basically 3.3.5a on new engine, so if something was removed / blocked prior to that patch, it won't be available.
They are the same model as the regular Tundra Wolf, the black oily effect is a debuff that disappears when you tame them.
If you were at one point able to keep them oily after taming, that was probably a bug with the debuff not disappearing.
Before i watch video ima just say this: armor pen stack + MM. I was there and had a hunter amongst other classes
What did you mean by 3:20 "These Pet families can't be rerolled" ? I didn't quite understand that sentence, so I cant change my Pet down the line? Or did you mean I can only have 1 of each type?
Pets are 1 of 3 families, you can't respec them like you can in retail, so a bird is always going to be cunning, a cat will always be ferocity, and a bear will always be tenacity
where is the footage around 14:40 from?
I mained hunter back in the days. When they get arp and going mm they are complete wrecking machines
start as MM - move to surv in ulduar, then back to MM once u got enough arp
Yesterday I leveled a troll hunter from 1-19. And this is how it went. Little to no down time killing mobs pre 10. Died once on the troll island for grabbing 1 too many mobs. Lvl 10 I chose the gator as a pet, and tried to solo RFC. I killed 5 mobs before it was too hard. Then I went to the cross fields in the barrens and quested till 15, where I met a enh shaman. We duo RFC till the first boss, then we had others player join. My gator tanked the whole dungeon, grabbing 3-6 mobs at a time, and kept agro most of the time. Then after RFC, me and the shaman joined a WC run. Where me and another hunter tanked using gators. Had no issues. Leveled to 17 and chose to get a bear instead, which is the turning point of this story. I quested with the shaman till lvl 19. We grabbed 10-15 mobs with my bear as he healed. The bear kept agro 99 percent of the time, and with mend pet we were basically playing the game on super easy mode. After hitting level 19, we decided to pvp, where I went 35+ kills with no deaths for 10 plus games. Bear was killing players by himself without me realizing it at first. And i am super excited to keep playing.
I started in wotlk with a Hunter as my main and I never not mained one. Finally the utility it is known for later on starts coming back!
Yeah same. I always topped the dps meters. Saurfang never dropped the fucking trinket for me, before I had to quit because real life stuff. Hope I get that trinket this time around.
The happyness is usseles? I hewr that u still get damage up if ur pet green tho anyone can corect me in this?? Please
Was surprised to not see any mention of dungeon farm/raid specs with incorporation traps. Explosive Trap Glyph (The periodic damage from your Explosive Trap can now be critical strikes) + Volly is absolutely nuts. Will top damage meters.
Might wanna change the title
BM 5 man tanking becomes a thing. An absolutely glorious thing.
Im new to WoW, tried the free trial in retail and loved the hunter, then tried WotLK hunter and I’m really deterred by the ammo requirement. Is that a valid worry or is ammo extremely available to the point where it doesn’t matter?
Ammo is very available, but not a completely inconsequential mechanic. The best ammo is made by engineers and you have to buy it from other players on the auction house or make it yourself, though it is rarely prohibitively expensive. You can buy cheap ammo from npc vendors that does less damage but is borderline free and it's a good idea to use it for world content and heroic dungeons. Overall it's not that big a deal and if you like hunter it shouldn't be a deal breaker. On some level it makes you invested in every shot of your bow.
Does pet`s damage come from hunter`s damage? what %?
The one thing i had been really excited to see return for hunter is the pet talent tree i loved this back in the day way more than the point system from vanilla or tbc . I picked up a wolf pet to level for wrath but i didnt know they was the best for raiding until some ppl in lfg channel was talking about it I just remembered the hunter in my raiding group back then had a wolf and he did a lot of damage. The wolfs name was Spike so i named my wolf Spikejr. Also hope i can pick up one of the spirit beasts
honestly all of this stuff about the hunter like buying ammo, and having food are things that i like because i come from tibia playing paladin, but the thing i wish they never had from the beginning is the dead zone, like just let me shoot my arrows still, you telling me i can't hit you with a point blank arrow if i was some glorified archer?
Any wait for paladin!
I raided in wrath as a surv hunter. Black arrow and explosive shot was fun as hell. If I have the time I will be playing hunter again
Explosive trap >>>>> black arrow
nice
"The tier 9 2 piece set is a small dps gain". Uh no. It's over 1000 DPS. Method hunters were using it in ICC. When you are crit capped in ICC at 75 percent that's a lot of damage.
Wrong title Willie
I did not choose the way of the Huntard, it chose me.
I miss the gnome.
I just want to play wrathhhhhh!!
Do paladin next!
I was never out dpsd in og wrath survival hunter