Here in Japan is full of H2 stations but also tank trucks stations that you can find in the navigation system (I think they can also come to your place of you call them), and Toyota promised the H2 price will be 1/5 of the actual price in the very near future.
The other day I I was stopped at an intersection then suddenly I noticed a hydrogen car pee on the streets. At that moment I realized I was in the future.
Agreed. Even without the included $15k worth of fuel, it’s still 60% cheaper per mile than my current car. $70 for 400 miles is really quite good. If gas is $3 per gallon in your area, fueling this car would be cheaper as long as your vehicle gets 17 or less mpg. That doesn’t sound great, but I currently get 15, and gas prices are only going to go up. Hydrogen prices are likely going to go down if this fuel becomes more widely used.
@@explosivemallard8038 exactly,as everything new it's expensive I remember my first LCD tv 32 inches cost me 1500 thousand today you can buy a 65 inch for 500 hundred.
@@alejandroperalta1982 Although that’s pretty different market and industry situation, your example was extraordinarily relatable and proves the point well. Well said!
I saw one of these recently for the first time. I must say this looks a lot more sleek and nicer in person. Also the blue paint the car had was so beautiful.
The issue of the fueling station can be solved easily by using them for public transport and taxi fleet through legislation. Vehicles like this are the future, glad to see mainstream car makers like Toyota and hyundai stepping up. Japan is pushing for this, simply because they don't want to switch from petroleum to rare earth elements, both of which they have to import That's how cng (natural gas) vehicles became mainstream in many countries across the world, they setup the infrastructure to replace their diesel buses, and then allowing the taxis and later private vehicles to use them as fuel stations as well
You must be a lot smaller than me as I feel claustrophobic just looking at this car. Toyota made the same mistake with the Prius shrinking down the interior space. They are not comfortable cars for taller people. My Chevy Spark EV is more roomy than the Mirai and was half the price when new. It's also nice not to ever have to think about fuel in an EV. In the Mirai you are limited to where there is a fuel station nearby. Currently the closest Hydrogen station to me is 350 miles away but I have an electrical outlet 2 feet away.
@@samuraijosh1595 Do they? I think if EV's were a good fit for anywhere it would be Japan. How many Japanese people really drive more than 200-250 miles per day? A hydrogen car is pointless in Japan.
I have two of them. We love them. As soon as the 15k free fuel is done... Will trade them in. Plenty of power, drivers very nice. I do live in Cali so fuel is no issue. Great video.
I think it is not so difficult to collect that water.. this is not the biggest problem.. Production of the Hydrogen is very expensive, this is very big problem..
@@andreisipitca5835 Right, although in the winter, you have to keep it heated as to not freeze up the collection system which isn't that hard since over 40% of the H2's energy goes to heat rather than driving the wheels, but you'd need to release it somewhere strategically before you park on a 0° day. The expense is another way to say inefficient because of course if it was efficient to make H2, it wouldn't cost that much.
In Aberdeen Scotland, we have a fleet of Hydrogen buses. They are amazing, so quiet compared to the diesels. Plus we have two Hydrogen filling stations that are available to the public (apparently, i don't use them so i'm not sure). I think hydrogen is the future for heavy vehicles, long distance traveling and people with no off street parking.
In my view this isn’t a hydrogen versus electric. These two are the future, hydrogen makes a lot of sense for long distance drivers, and people in cold climates. While electric cars make soo much more sense for the average person.
I could get a little more into hydrogen powered cars than this stupid fad of battery electric. I guess it will take more wrecks and cars completely engulfed in flames from batteries on fire, not to mention the toxic fumes to get them finally gone and out of the picture forever.
Hydrogen should be the future due to range and electrical grid issues. Not to mention the toxic mining process of lithium. But average people and politicians can't see or don't care what happens next.
@@mister_dave1184 no. On the whole electric is still the better option, and lithium mining effects a local area, that’s not great, but better than global climate destruction with ICEs
i think battery ev will dominate for passenger and light duty vehicles, but larger long haul applications will use hydrogen.. electric planes will use hydrogen for sure
You're right. The weight of batteries is too heavy for aircraft or cargo ships. They will need a different alternative fuel and hydrogen seems like the most likely fuel.
diesel won't go anywhere for the coming 10-20 years in heavy duty trucks. hydrogen might come along but it still won't have the same sales numbers as diesel. diesel and hydrogen are about as energy efficient well to wheel but the hydrogen system tends to weigh quite a bit more than a diesel engine
@@jamesbeaman6337 That would be a wise design. Probably eliminate the potable water refilling infrastructure at airports. Coffee and espresso machines may need potable water though, for the minerals I guess.
Well also no slow charging (not something I mind though), no bloody lithium, a chance for ICE to survive (I love V8s), and no damn Elon Musk dominating the show with his idiotic-ness...
Hydrogen is terribly inefficient. It uses roughly twice the amount of energy it produces to isolate hydrogen from other elements and pressurize it. Not to mention transportation costs to the facility. It just doesn't make any sense from an efficiency stand point, especially as battery tech improves. Hydrogen is really an energy storage mechanism rather than an energy source. Think of it as a gaseous battery. This might be useful for large transport that needs long, constant power for large vehicles, think trains and ships, where the powertrain and storage of fuel accounts for a much smaller proportion of the Gross Vehicle Weight. But for personal cars, battery electric is the way to go.
@@reefermonster9651 Not really. Looking at the powertrain alone, a Tesla Model S is about 4 times more efficient than a 2001 Camry (25 MPG vs. 100 MPGe) and Model 3 is even more efficient. It gets even worse once you start to considering the transportation of fuel, the warming process of an ICE, compared to an electric power plant, including a coal power plant, which is much more efficient than an ICE.
@@reefermonster9651 Sorry it is not! all tesla are above 100 mpg equivalent there is 9 kwh in a litre of petrol. the 100 kwh battery pack that does 400 miles in the model S so 11 litre of petrol or 3 gallons.
I live in the Bay Area of california, there seems to be a hydrogen fueling everywhere. Not sure I have ever seen a Murai in the wild however... Lots of hydrogen buses though.
Same! And it looks like toyota is giving a $4K rebate on the mirai along w $15K in refill credits, in addition to the $8K federal tax credit & $4K California tax credit.
Absolutely beautiful car. It's just a shame there's not more hydro stations. Also one negative would be the water coming out in the winter when driving, instant freeze.
they had test units for a long time now. BP gas in Omaha actually had a fleet of them. They work just fine in the winter. But they did have to be plugged in back then to 110vac to keep stack warmed. Otherwise, its a 15 min wait for it to be drivable.
“You’re not lugging around a massive battery” but the Mirai is bigger and heavier than a Model 3 but with less interior space. How much did Toyota pay you for this?
Notice the expiration date of the hydrogen tanks inside the fuel door. They cost thousands to replace. The hydrogen eventually degrades the structural integrity of the tanks. Not all of the bugs are worked out yet.
Even in the early stage of H2 technology, the tanks will last immeasurably longer than the stupid tesla battery that will need replacement in 6-8 years and costs 20K as of today.
Imagine a car where you can just pull up to a pump, and in less than 10 minutes, have hundreds of miles of range and can just park it for potentially months or more and it will start up and still give you that same range. Imagine a car where you could leave it in a field abandoned for decades and it won’t contaminate ground water with heavy metals. Imagine a car that you can drive for decades with a little maintenance and pass down to your children. If only this existed. Wait, the government and media tells me we can’t have those anymore.
@@devinbender8428 it seem you so oppose to hydrogen you jumpy at that opportunity to try discredit it. By the way what did you say about, "wait 30 minutes for the compressor to charge up to compress the gas." that make me laugh out and rolling here 🤣🤣🤣🤣. How long it take to charge an AV again?
@@devinbender8428 Lol I never heard of any reported case of any hydrogen car taking 30 min to fuel up. A matter of fact not even half of 2000 psi is needed to fuel a hydrogen car. Maybe you need to take a trip to a hydrogen fuel station and read the stated psi or look at the notice on fuel cap door for the car, it will tell you the psi in which the fuel pressure will be, and it is not even 100 psi. It take just as long to fuel a hydrogen as it take a gasoline car to fuel up, and hydrogen can be transport just as gasoline is transported, so I do not know what pipeline in city you are talking about. I think you just Anti Hydrogen finding a case against it to promote what you more in loved or in favor with. I wont be surprise if you just turn out to be a Tesla fanboy. Tesla do a great job on their EV do. In our world it good to have choses and not having government or anyone making choice for you, or force their choice on you. I for one do not care for pure EV, but I will not discourage anyone that want an EV or make their choice for Hydrogen or ICE vehicle. It their right to choose what in their best interest that fit their life style.
A while back, I heard normal gas stations can get transitioned into hydro stations. If that's true, this seems like a more practical approach & even cheaper replacement in the long run for gas cars than going down the road of fully electric cars. It's even more environment & political friendly, 'cause electric cars need lithium, & lithium is a rare earth material. Also, very few countries have lithium; we don't want our next mass-consumed energy resource(s) to have the same dirty politics of oil - creating coups, regime changes, & wars now for lithium instead of oil. I think hydrogen has better multi-faceted future overall.
They can, but at a high cost. The underground fuel tanks that store diesel/ gasoline are not suitable for hydrogen. The pumps for diesel/ gasoline are not suitable, it will be a complete and costly overhaul. And the running cost of a hydrogen station are also quite high. Easier and cheaper to replace the fuel pumps with 350 kW chargers
I agree. Hydrogen can be generated on-site through electrolysis. Also don't have to worry about future wars over lithium, as it is a rare earth metal. Battery disposal is also a huge concern.
@@devinbender8428 So 10% disposal and less dependence on mainly China owned lithium imports. Hydrogen wins the more environmentally solution by a mile!
First off, a lot of people live in apartments and condos, but thanks for basically saying you only think of people who are exactly like you. Also, you're saying you never travel more than a single charge, apparently all these people camped out at charging stations are a myth.
@@tacitus539 for now. But just think of the future. Either all electric or hydrogen vehicles. It’s easier and cheaper to install electric charging stations everywhere for electric cars. So eventually you will see charging stations along the sidewalk curbs in cities for the apartment dwellers. I don’t see many companies investing in the hydrogen infrastructure as it will involve trillions of dollars to get it all across the country. Electric is the future.
@@michaelkeudel8770 Technology is new but that doesn't mean the problems it brings can't be solved. Same happened with EVs but they create more waste don't they?
@@jeettrivedii the technology for USING hydrogen isn't the problem, creating the hydrogen itself IS the problem, and until you can make it cheaper than just dumping the energy directly into a battery, it will never go anywhere. Right now over 90% of the Hydrogen out there is made from steam reforming methane. You need energy to create the steam, and more energy to drill and access the methane, another fuel source, to create Hydrogen. you lose almost 70% of the energy to create the hydrogen, very inefficient.
The other problem with H2 is that most of it is being manufactured from natural gas. Thus it generates greenhouse gasses. Also, the transport of H2 causes more pollution. You are neglecting to mention these significant downsides.
@@ociabi Unless you are piping your hydrogen to a refueling station, you need to truck your hydrogen. While for BEV, electricity goes through existing power lines. As for the manufactured from natural gas, you can read more here: www.eia.gov/energyexplained/hydrogen/production-of-hydrogen.php But you can just google things like "how do we create hydrogen"
And electricity cause greenhouse gases as well. 20% of USA electricity still comes from coal. Natural gas is a cleaner option. 1% of USA electricity also comes from cutting down trees and burning them. As well the electric infrastructure could not currently handle it if everyone suddenly switched to battery electric cars. Hydrogen doesn't have to be produced from natural gas there are other ways, just as electricity doesn't have to come from burning coal. There is no magic bullet to stop greenhouse gases, just small steps
Most current is from coal and gas, eliminate all devopment on bevs until electricity is 100% nuclear and renewable, then you may mention the footprint of h2
Guess I'm not "Most people" then. This is slow, badly packaged, cramped and expensive to fuel. It takes three times more electricity to move it down a road vs. an EV IF IF IF your hydrogen even comes from hydrolysis, which 98% doesn't. You could put a gun to my head and I wouldn't but this crap.
@@TFLcar If you actually can't see that hydrogen makes absolutely zero sense for passenger vehicles then that is worse. The car's build quality and ride comfort has nothing to do with hydrogen tech btw.
@@TFLcar They shipped a car to you for a week in which you were allowed to make a video that you make money off of. How is that not a transfer of value, aka payment, to you? If you say bad things they won't ship the next new model to you. Especially liked your rant about the weight of an EV battery without comparison to the weight of the Mirai. The Mirai weighs 220 to 300lbs. more than a Model 3LR.
Exactly what I was thinking electric cars sounds good,but if you don't have enough juice how long you have to wait to charge? This is like gasoline,you stop and go.
Imagine a hydrogen fuel cell camper trailer that would give your i3 a 2000 mile range!? ... or an off road trailer that would do the same with a Bollinger or Rivian.
@@paulbedichek5177 a Mirai is no way comparable to a model S in other then length and price. The hydrogen technology takes a loot of space so you get a big car with minimum interior space. In performance and interior space it’s more like a VW ID 3.
@@DuesenbergJ model S sales have cratered, Mirai sales should be on an upward trend if they actually start delivering them. So far I’ve seen a story of one car delivered, they are late.
I’ve had a 2016 Mirai for three years now and I’ve gotta say it’s hands down the best car I’ve ever owned. It’s my daily driver and it’s absolutely so well rounded as a vehicle. Yes infrastructure isn’t there yet but I’m in LA and it’s totally doable for me. Granted I have the older model so it’s vastly different but fuel cell cars are incredible. It’s exactly like driving a gasoline powered car with all the benefits of being electric. Amazing on long road trips here in California and we don’t have to wait an hour at fill up stations. The fast fill up time is just like pumping gasoline and you’re off. Really impressed with Toyota AGAIN!!
@@devinbender8428 there’s somewhere between 7500 and 10,000 on the road in CA actually and that’s basically in two metro areas. Yes some stations can have a line of cars 10 deep as you said at certain times. As long as you don’t fill up on a Friday at 5:30pm it’s usually not an issue. My station thankful never has a line ever. As far as compressor lag I have experienced it and never more than a minute or two max between cars. I’m simply stating that I’m a real world user whom over several years has had a great experience driving a FCEL vehicle.
@@Damidoo Could you have had a BEV and charged home at night and never worried about going to H2 station? What about the cost of the H2 or have you not used up the 15k allowance yet?
@@johnkechagais7096 yes I can charge an BEV at home but I chose a Mirai over a plug in battery electric. I still have free hydrogen and plan on getting the new Mirai when my free gas runs out. I drive a lot for work so being able to go sometimes hundreds of miles without stopping for an hour at a time is really great. They really are a great option and I think more people would purchase them if they had the fueling infrastructure to utilize them.
This is the big Con fooling people into thinking going somewhere to fill up in 5 mins is important it's not charging at home is much better than filling up anywhere
Please tell me why i should pay 70K Euros for a slow and cumbersome Toyota that costs me 15 Euros for 100km hydrogen and where i have to travel around 120 km to the next hydrogen station - and back home again. When the alternative is a fun car that costs me 60K Euros, has 0-100 kph in 3.9 seconds and uses 2,40 Euros per 100 km in electricity which i can charge @ home. And please no mention of the oh so fine "engineering" of hydrogen fuel cells. They are older then Li-Ion batteries. Much MUCH older.
@@hutotuto1675 No. Ok a bit more information why not: My battery has a range of around 450km. Times 1500 - thats on the low end of possible cycles that would be 675.000 km I do not think i will drive my car for 675.000km. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 Those numbers are correct and repeatable and proofable. I have 83000km and about 4,8% degredation. That wold mean for 70% capacity left i can drive up to 518.000 km. (Actually more because the capacity loss in the first 3 months is more then the rest of the time). Thats because i don't tend to my battery. I charge it and i use it. Many times a week. I stress it. In cold or in warm weather, in -15 degress celsisu and in +35 (we don't get mopre). Because i have bought my car for a max. of 320,000km of battery and drive train capacity. And still i'm more then 50% above that self set limit. The short answer to your comment is: No.
A major issue with hydrogen is that making it takes a lot of energy. There’s no free lunch. Our future will be a mix of propulsion. Nice video, however. Keep up the good work!
Once H2 is produced with surplus renewables it will be pretty close to a free lunch. H2 allows batteries to be small, which is the key to sustainability.
@@tacitus539 Battery pack has to replaced i guess 8 yrs. Also its difficult to extract lithium from battery electrode in lithium ion battery pack. Needless to say many BEV manufacturers shows negligence in discussing recycling of lithium.
@@amitkrupal1234 it depends. I‘ve heard that Teslas do need to replace it regularly. We do have some 20 years old Prius Taxis with well over a million KM still running on the first battery. I currently own my second Toyota Hybrid (Corolla) and my first one was the first gen of Yaris Hybrid which I sold after 8 years (when warranty went out) it only lost 1% in battery capacity (you get a full battery analysis is done at the yearly inspections). Toyota has a quite good battery management.
@@amitkrupal1234 That's a lie. There's a 2013 Model S for sale in my area, that still has 90% of the capacity. And that's 8 year old tech at this point, the new ones are much better!
There are no public feeling stations but its possible some fleet trucks use them and have their own refuelling points and maybe they have an agreement to use it. I don't know for sure.
@@701983 public stations are in Ca, you could fill it up anywhere on Earth , for the right price, you can have a home h2 installed, Toyota won’t sell them outside Ca, Japan and Eu. Even if you live in Ca, you should live near a station.
It's good to see Hydrogen tech taking another swing at things. The refuel convenience proposition could make it a strong contender if the refuelling network comes to support it.
Their fueling stations have been 💥 exploding 💥 😱 2 in Japan 1 in Europe (Japan govt is threatening to pull their grants and doubling down on their expectations)
This car is a joke! Do you know why there are not more Hydrogen fueling stations? Because it’s too expensive to build and they are very limited in capacity. And even in California, Toyota sold only a couple thousand cars since it came to market. And go to Kelly Blue book and read the reviews! Like Sandy Munro said, Hydrogen cars are the future and always will be!
@@alighaus4127 you're not understanding what he's trying to say when he says "hydrogen cars are the future and always will be ". Think about it for a second. Come on, you can do it. Let us know if we have to explain it to you.
People are too obsessed with their car being able to do the quickest lap of Nurburgring. There is nothing nicer than a soft, plush ride on a long trip in a quiet car. I'm taking my Crown Vic out for a spin now, bye
In the early 2000s, the market was teetering between electric cars and hydrogen fuel cell cars. The federal government decided to subsidize full electric instead of hydrogen. They chose poorly.
The hydrogen is made by reforming natural gas, there isn't enough supply to support the vehicles without wasting tons of other energy sources. You can use the electricity and charge the battery, or use that same electricity to create the hydrogen, and also use up natural gas, so that the hydrogen you create can be converted yet again into electricity. It's cool, but very wasteful to convert from one source of energy to another. This is why a battery powered car will always be cheaper.
We have now witnessed the future, this is the path the world needs not useless and expensive batteries. Not to mention the toxic mess left after a battery is used up. Forget the cost and slower performance , that can be addressed with time. Something that spews water(clean water) as a by product is the most important point.
When I lived in France, the parking garages didn't allow LPG vehicles ("Parking interdit aux véhicules GPL"). You wouldn't want to have to find street parking in a city. The hydrogen tank will stop a bullet, but it won't stop bad people from attaching a valve to defeat this.
I will never buy a fully electric car, for many reasons. I don’t like hybrids either. But I would buy this. Toyota quality. Just need Hydrogen all over North America and I’m in. Great review! 👍
@@devinbender8428 I am 6 years from retiring, so 50 years from now hopefully someone will have stopped me from driving if I am still alive! But my comments suggest I am already a grouchy old man! 😂
Currently the biggest problem with Hydrogen is splitting it from what it's attached to H2O, CH4 C4H10 (Water. Methane, Butane) so currently takes more energy to produce Hydrogen than it produces in a fuel cell vehicle. If only the oil companies would realise that Hydrogen is the new Gasoline.
nuclear power plants can generate electric needed to generate hydrogen. Hey, when you get a sunny day, then that too contributes to electric needed to generate the hydrogen. There might even be some type of biomass bacteria that could generate hydrogen
@@williamwarrenconkright3973 we don't have enough nuclear power stations in the UK and solar accountants for a very minimal amount of power the same as wind. Hydrogen is the way forward but unfortunately the fuel companies have sat on the technology for decades so they could keep us reliant on oil not realising that Hydrogen would give them a sustainable profitable future.
Wait, it sprays out water when accelerating? That means in the winter time, these things will ice up the intersections and on-ramps like crazy. That's dangerous!
@@faststang85 Use your brain. When it rains and snows, people KNOW to use caution when driving. When it's a clear day and the roads are clear, people don't expect to have an icy patch on a highway entrance. Duh.
@@pdd3 "green" hydrogen (water split into H and O) is about 80% efficient - so throwing away 20% at the get go. The fuel cell is about 60% efficient in turning the hydrogen into electricity so throwing away 40% of the hydrogen's energy to re-make electricity to drive the car. Overall efficiency 48% (not taking hydrogen transportation and storage into account) for taking electricity to make hydrogen to then make electricity again. Much more efficient to put the original electricity into a battery to drive the car.
@@paulbedichek5177 60% at the moment in the US, the other 40% is from nuclear hydro, and other renewables www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/electricity.php#:~:text=Coal's%20forecast%20share%20of%20electricity,and%20to%2019%25%20in%202022.
They are but for now extracting hydrogen is an energy intensive task. It needs at least an order of magnitude drop in energy needed to start to be viable for mass market
True Green Hybrid SUV: 15kw plugin battery (>110km range) with efficient regenerative breaking, ultra high capacity >1.5kw solar top on roof & bonnet and small hydrogen 4kg tank (>350km range) for light-weight & cost-effective green hybrid FCEV (>600km range) under $25k or ₹200k..!!
Since hydrogen can be obtained from water through electrolysis, I wonder if petrol/gas stations could generate the hydrogen on site? Least there would be no need to have the hydrogen delivered.
Yes there are some stations that generate hydrogen on site. They’re much more expensive than a delivery station. There are also stations (like Torrence in LA) that are on a pipeline. In Denmark and Germany they have several stations that generate on site with 100% renuables. Also it is possible to make a plug in fuel cell that can produce its own hydrogen. Nobody sells one yet but I imagine down the road somebody will. You can even power your home from these cars! Very cool stuff!
@@devinbender8428 you’re right it is more efficient to just charge a battery. But real world driving habits are different for everybody which is why FCELs make sense for some people. Gasoline is horrible but also super convenient for people as it stands right now. We’re getting to a renewable society in baby steps. Battery and FCEL cars are a step. I’m all for both.
@@devinbender8428 if you place a solar panel park next to the gas station it makes perfect sense. Just straight up charge any electric car that comes by and it can make hydrogen during times where there isnt a car that needs electricity. The same could be done with all power stations, wether its hydro, air or nuclear. Just make hydrogen out of it during moments where there is less demand than there is supply
@@joshkiej6601 That's the hope for hydrogen, that it can be a energy storage medium even though you lose 20- 30% to make it, because that electricity would be wasted in low demand times anyway. Its very hard to store hydrogen though.
It would be nice if he actually compared it fairly though. For example, at 1:25 says he's only lugging around a 1kWh battery. While that is true, he's also lugging around 500lbs of fuel cell equipment to make it into electricity and another 500lbs of structural steel to protect the occupants and make a physically large car with the interior space of a sub compact. So the Mirai (even with the tanks empty) ends up weighing more than a long-range Tesla. Also he makes the claim it's long-lasting. Since the first ones were only made in 2016, I'm not sure how he knows that. And the entire hydrogen system in the 2016s already is about to expire in 9 years. You can see when this one expires by the date on the fuel door at 8:28 which they nicely display.
I've seen a lot of this "alternative" fuel junk lately, and while I originally championed H2, once I looked at the technology and the cost, it just doesn't make any sense. I won't detail manufacturing, but H2 and batteries each have their issues and special material requirements. What it comes down to is $0.20 a mile for H2, and $0.03 per mile for an EV. Even halving H2 fuel costs are still over 3Xs EVs. In the time it would take for H2 to build out an infrastructure, EV batteries will probably doubling capacity and halve or less charging times. (guesses of course, but not outrageous over the span of say a decade)
There was an explosion of a hydrogen tank in South Korea in 2019 and Koreans are protesting any plans on building new hydrogen filling stations there. I just don't see this technology taking off.
@@samuraijosh1595 Bruh - the explosions might be more because gas being stored is a hell of a lot more than hydrogen. Totally not capping, bruh. Pass the jay.
Really very tiring watching a channel that consistently warps, misrepresents, or is just ignorant of the facts. I find much of Tommy has to say laughable. Maybe that's what he is going for and I just don't get the joke. Hydrogen is a dead end. You are wrong when you say it is efficient, its end to end efficiency is more in line with a gas car and much less than a battery electric. You misrepresent it when you say it is efficient. You also misrepresent it when you say that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and then leave out the fact that nearly all of it is combined with other elements requiring pouring energy into a process to break hydrogen free of the other element(s). When using the most common hydrogen production system, Steam reforming, the chemical reaction is CH4 + H2O + heat --> CO + 3H2. Yes, that's right, carbon monoxide (CO) is generated. Steam reforming is used because it is somewhat more efficient than electrolysis. Electrolysis is cleaner but wastes about 30% of the energy (electricity) you put into it to produce the H2. Kinda dumb, when you could have just used the electricity to start with. So what do get when buying a Mirai, a low efficiency, low performance, and possibly polluting (if the hydrogen comes from other than electrolysis) crap car. We really need to focus on battery electric and improving the system. Kudos to Elon Musk for understanding that hydrogen is a joke and for pressing ahead with engineering great cars and leading the charge into better battery tech.
An 80's vintage movie - Blade Runner (Harrison Ford) - had a subtheme of hydrogen powered flying vehicles. LA was turned into a rainy mess due to the water exhaust. This hydrogen technology is definitely the way to go, not only for powering cars but large scale for homes. Power plants generating power in CA would produce enough water for crops and general use (duh!). Of course special interests will fight it all the way - easier to take water from the Colorado river.
From what I've read, with current tech, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than what you get out of it unless you are creating it solely from renewable energy & onsite. So ideally you'd want to produce the hydrogen at the fueling stations themselves to remove having the tanker truck distribution network. But building out hydrogen stations that create their own fuel from a renewable source, or even partially using the electrical grid, cost 5-7x more than a traditional gas station. So the argument is if you are using the electrical gird to even partially generate hydrogen why bother building out expensive fueling stations or trucking the hydrogen in from somewhere else. Why not just build out less expensive charging stations and just use batteries and leave hydrogen exclusively for the commercial sector such as long haul trucking & heavy equipment?
@@Robert-cu9bm fuel cells do not produce a lot of power so you still need a battery to drive the electric motors. rather than charging the battery directly, you turn it into hydrogen, then compress it is then converted back into electricity in the fuel cell that then charges the battery. Its weight trade off of additional batteries - tanks and fuel cells against efficiency looses for the vehicle being heavier I just checked the weight it weighs the same a a model 3 1,848 kg (4,074 lb) so no weigh savings and a lot of added complexity
Fun fact , EV drivers spend less time in filling up than gas and hydrogen, why ? Because they mostly charge at home for the work commute, less than 30 seconds every few days. And when your doing 250 miles 18 minutes vs 5 mins isn’t an issue.
Hey Tommy: You know what the number one complaint about fuel cell cars among people who actually own fuel cells cars? Driving across town to access the ONE filling station, then discovering that somebody else just filled up and now you have to wait at the pump for OVER AN HOUR while the pump re-pressurizes so you can get your '5 minute fill'. Well, why don't they just build more? Nobody can afford to! Each pump costs MILLIONS to install and the permitting process takes years because of the highly dangerous nature of large quantities of highly compressed hydrogen. The rash of hydrogen station explosions around the world last year didn't help either. But I'm sure it makes a great deal of sense for apartment dwellers who can't get their management company to let them install a plug on the wall. I'm sure it will be super easy to get them to change the rules and allow a vehicle to park there when it's not allowed in many parking garages or even allowed to cross various bridges.
If you look at 2:57 on the warnings label it says do not fill after 2035 - 07 this means that the hydrogen tanks have to be re certified or replace in 15 years so how much is to replace these hydrogen tanks ? Can’t fill it at home this is a deal breaker .... OK maybe not as bad as the filling station are extremely rare and costly.
Apparently as of March 2021 California residents can get a deal on these for under $18K Plus a $15K Hydrogen credit which makes it about $3K plus taxes, etc. Limited time offer...
yes, they can, if they can get H2 to fill up. Check out the current status of all H2 stations in CA. h2-ca.com/region?id=0 As I write this 24 of 44 stations are out of H2.
I don't understand how they managed to name the most interesting and revolutionary technology with the most generic "fuel cell". And then they introduced it on the most generic mid range sedan that isn't excellent in anything in particular - it's not cheap, it's not fast, it's not stylish, it's not luxury, it's not even appealing to hipsters and tree huggers. The biggest marketing failure of the car industry. Imagine Elon getting his hands on this technology how he would have spun it.
We need a technological leap for fuel cells to beat electric cars. Tesla has already found a way to improve current batteries but I don't think theirs a easy method to improve fuel cells
@@macberry4048 lmfao, nothing worth doing is easy. Getting to the moon or Mars is hard. Hydrogen fuel cells are rapidly developing. One day, hydrogen doubters will sound as silly as horse salesman that tried to make cars sound impractical
I don't understand the enthusiasm for fuel cell vehicles. Hydrogen seems like a pipe dream because theirs so much information about battery innovation and people calculate the type of batteries needed to make electric cars feasible but with hydrogen we get a basic overview and because it can be fueled so quickly it automatically beats electric cars
Hydrogen is made mostly from natural gas, which is a fossil fuel and creates CO2 emissions. It can also be made from water by electrolysis, but in that case it would be more efficent to just charge a battery.
@@alfrredd Aero is just as important in BEV's but they have lots of interior room. Someday I hope people realize Hydrogen doesn't make sense for passenger vehicles. Maybe for long distance trucking or for planes and shipping but for small vehicles BEV's are a much better fit.
The biggest problems I see with hydrogen are: 1. Hydrogen is generated from a process called electrolysis and it takes over twice as much energy to get hydrogen and store it as it delivers. Not very GREEN. 2. The required infrastructure for generating and storing hydrogen is very expensive. 3. Hydrogen isn't available in rural areas.
This car is pathetic, I'm getting claustrophobic just looking at it. For 50k and for it's size it should have way more interior space. I will stick with my Chevy Spark EV. I don't care how nice the materials are if I can't fit in the car. I also don't want to have to move to California to be able to drive. It is so much nicer to never have to think about fueling my car. I haven't even had to think about fuel since last summer when I bought the car. Every morning I leave home with enough energy to last a week.
I'm not an electric car fan yet, but I do see the light at the end of the tunnel and it's electric. Battery Technology is just around the corner where batteries will be charged in minutes. The cost of these cars will go down also as Tesla gets more competition from every car maker. Can't wait to see electric NASCAR!
What’s interesting at 2:57 showed inside the fuel door says “Do Not Refuel after 2035.07”. Does that mean the H2 tank needs to be replaced because it’s structural integrity of the tank has deteriorated on July 2035?
Where did you get that from?? We do have some stations here in Luxembourg for Busses (they let the few people asking for Hydrogen refuel for free as they are government owned) and the cars/busses refuel end to end. No waiting times. We will get our first official station later this year which will be like a traditional gas station, but no news about the system being different except that you‘ll be charged for it.
i live near a toyoda regional office with a hydrogen station and there is always a line, due to low number. has to service toyoda and hondas. also seen the station down for weeks and not sure where customer got to refill.
@@devinbender8428 The Mirai in California has $20K off from Toyota right now plus $8K Federal credit and $4500 state of California, so its a lot cheaper than a Model 3, but much slower and no fold down seats.
Interesting warning it has on the fuel tank label, "Do not refuel after 2035.07". Probably has to do with the hydrogen embrittlement problem where hydrogen likes to pass through things trying to contain it, damaging it in the process.
The expiration is on the composite tanks and not subjected to embrittlement because they aren't made of metal, but the pressure and thermocycling of the tanks do start to break down the bonds between the fibers and the resin and the tanks become porous over time. They have linings to mitigate this. In the end, the fuel cells don't last that long either, so the car goes to the recycler after 15 years.
Do not refuel after 2035. I'm assuming the fuel cells will need to be replaced then, and I cannot find a price estimate for that so I will use 2035 as the cars useable until date. Toyota offers a $15,000/3 year fuel card(which is generous) so I'm curious about running costs after that term ends in 2024. This leaves 11 years of buying your own fuel at an arbitrary average of $70 per fill, good for an average 280 miles. Based on driving 11,000 miles per year the operator of this lovely Mirai will dole out ~$30,000 in fuel costs before needing to completely replace the fuel cells. $30 grand is a lot of money to spend for the privilege of pumping fuel instead of charging at home. My interests remains with the BEV for now.
Not at all "efficient" if you consider how the hydrogen is generated. Making "green" hydrogen (water split into H and O) is about 80% efficient - so throwing away 20% at the get go. The fuel cell is about 60% efficient in turning the hydrogen into electricity so throwing away 40% of the hydrogen's energy to re-make electricity to drive the car. Overall efficiency 48% (not taking hydrogen transportation and storage into account) for taking electricity to make hydrogen to then make electricity again. Much more efficient to put the original electricity into a battery to drive the car.
You said it costs $49K USD WOW that works out to $59.14K Canadian.A Tesla Model 3 SR+ is $52.990 Canadian plus you get $5K off for a federal rebate total price $47.990 Canadian There are Tesla superchargers all across Canada on the Trans Canada HWY plus more coming.
When you consider that the only pollution it emits into the environment is CLEAN WATER, then I think 'only' having 180bhp is not too much of a burden to bare. "only" having 180bhp for your personal transportation is definitely a First World problem.
The idea is great. The engineering that goes into a project like this is awesome. Complaint g about it's performance is funny. If I want performance I will get a Hellcat or TRX. Lol
I know they’ve been working on this technology for decades. But I do believe it’s still in its infancy, and at some point we’ll all be driving hydrogen cars. It’s makes too much sense.
The FUTURE is not BEV's. Nissan has e-power where they have a small ICE that charges the electric motor.No charging required. They have exhaust technology now that in a couple of years we'll have ZERO emissions ICE hybrids that have the advantages of electric motors without the disadvantages of BEV's. It's gonna cost too much to adapt to BEV's and hydrogen.... Yall make some AWESOME informative videos and I respect the honesty in your videos.
B4 mass produce FCEV , manufacturers need to take into consideration the owner ease of reach to H2 pump stations too. Few minutes refuel time is not good enough if no pumps available in your city or town.
Great video as always Tommy. I'm guessing that little sticker in the fuel fill door means the car(or any hydrogen car) is gonna need to be re tanked after 15 years🤔
The Fuel Cell itself will be worn out as well, since it uses up it's platinum inside. So that'll have to be renewed as well, but after how many miles? No word about the reduction components (The fuel cell can't handle the10.000 psi from the tanks), nor about the actual Energy-comsumption -> how much Energy has been used to produce the 5Kg hydrogen. Also no values for leakage: how long can you let the car sit, before half of the Hydrogen-Supply has disappeared. A lot of information missing here.
@@seanhunt7750 actually no these questions don't apply equally to a battery Vehicle. It doesn't have a fuel cell with platinum that is slowly consumed, or pressure reducers. Yes, batteries do slowly drain over time but that is a known variable. Yes batteries have to be charged wich is the only unknown variable of where the electricity comes from. However, currently hydrogen is created directly from natural gas, which I know so does some of the electricity charging battery cars. But, if you drive a car that is just like driving a gas car and refills like a gas car then what is the point if it gets it's fuel source from the same place? And lastly, the tanks. Hydrogen is kind of special because it has a nasty habit of slowly leaking through the container walls which is a problem that NASA has been trying to solve for years. EV's biggest unknown is the battery life and granted that is a big unknown with all of these different battery chemistry changes.
Toyota is pushing hydrogen because they want you on the hook with their dealership network which makes most of its money servicing cars. Self preservation is the name of the game. Wonder why they hate selling electric cars. That hydrogen tack filter is a massive expense for your monthly service, cash cow for dealerships. And what doesn't require as many services to the dealership? BEV. Do you get it now?
Both have their advantages but personally I'd take a battery vehicle as it suits my driving needs. If I did constant motorway miles and we had more Hydrogen stations in the UK then this would work great.
It is long past time to prioritize the construction of an adequate hydrogen dispenser infrastructure. Fueling cost should drop a good deal as hydrogen stations become available. As to whether the hydrogen option materializes, who knows, but it would represent a phenomenal improvement over gasoline and electric cars.
Why couldn’t Toyota just install hydrogen fuel stations at their dealerships
They can and I’m sure they are doing some market research to see if this car will sell well enough to justify the expense... remember the Sony Betamax
It cost about 10x the price of a gas station.
Here in Japan is full of H2 stations but also tank trucks stations that you can find in the navigation system (I think they can also come to your place of you call them), and Toyota promised the H2 price will be 1/5 of the actual price in the very near future.
They are afraid to blow up their dealer
@@langolang send me a link. I will like to post it and advertise it.
The other day I I was stopped at an intersection then suddenly I noticed a hydrogen car pee on the streets. At that moment I realized I was in the future.
What a weird way to say it
Its better than filling air with carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides
I would get one if I had a fueling station around me.
Agreed. Even without the included $15k worth of fuel, it’s still 60% cheaper per mile than my current car. $70 for 400 miles is really quite good.
If gas is $3 per gallon in your area, fueling this car would be cheaper as long as your vehicle gets 17 or less mpg. That doesn’t sound great, but I currently get 15, and gas prices are only going to go up. Hydrogen prices are likely going to go down if this fuel becomes more widely used.
@@explosivemallard8038 exactly,as everything new it's expensive I remember my first LCD tv 32 inches cost me 1500 thousand today you can buy a 65 inch for 500 hundred.
@@alejandroperalta1982 Although that’s pretty different market and industry situation, your example was extraordinarily relatable and proves the point well. Well said!
@@explosivemallard8038 thanks! I know they are different but at least you understand my point 😁.
I was looking at the 1st gen and those are going between 7-8k all day so that's also a plus for me.
I saw one of these recently for the first time. I must say this looks a lot more sleek and nicer in person. Also the blue paint the car had was so beautiful.
The issue of the fueling station can be solved easily by using them for public transport and taxi fleet through legislation.
Vehicles like this are the future, glad to see mainstream car makers like Toyota and hyundai stepping up.
Japan is pushing for this, simply because they don't want to switch from petroleum to rare earth elements, both of which they have to import
That's how cng (natural gas) vehicles became mainstream in many countries across the world, they setup the infrastructure to replace their diesel buses, and then allowing the taxis and later private vehicles to use them as fuel stations as well
I’m more interested in this car than any electric.
You must be a lot smaller than me as I feel claustrophobic just looking at this car. Toyota made the same mistake with the Prius shrinking down the interior space. They are not comfortable cars for taller people. My Chevy Spark EV is more roomy than the Mirai and was half the price when new. It's also nice not to ever have to think about fuel in an EV. In the Mirai you are limited to where there is a fuel station nearby. Currently the closest Hydrogen station to me is 350 miles away but I have an electrical outlet 2 feet away.
Valderon I’m 6’3
@@valderon3692 I mean, I think they're made keeping the Japanese market in mind.... These cars fit well for the Japanese..
@@valderon3692 everything you said was invalidated when you said you owned a Chevy, lol
@@samuraijosh1595 Do they? I think if EV's were a good fit for anywhere it would be Japan. How many Japanese people really drive more than 200-250 miles per day? A hydrogen car is pointless in Japan.
I have two of them. We love them. As soon as the 15k free fuel is done... Will trade them in. Plenty of power, drivers very nice. I do live in Cali so fuel is no issue. Great video.
Are you close to trading them?
This is the future!!! I want one of these
I can just imagine the roads turning into a gigantic ice skating rink by 9am if they were full of these in the winter.
Damn good point. Might be an issue where I live
I think it is not so difficult to collect that water.. this is not the biggest problem.. Production of the Hydrogen is very expensive, this is very big problem..
@@andreisipitca5835 Right, although in the winter, you have to keep it heated as to not freeze up the collection system which isn't that hard since over 40% of the H2's energy goes to heat rather than driving the wheels, but you'd need to release it somewhere strategically before you park on a 0° day. The expense is another way to say inefficient because of course if it was efficient to make H2, it wouldn't cost that much.
In Aberdeen Scotland, we have a fleet of Hydrogen buses. They are amazing, so quiet compared to the diesels.
Plus we have two Hydrogen filling stations that are available to the public (apparently, i don't use them so i'm not sure).
I think hydrogen is the future for heavy vehicles, long distance traveling and people with no off street parking.
If it's for long distance traveling then why not use it for short distances too?
In my view this isn’t a hydrogen versus electric. These two are the future, hydrogen makes a lot of sense for long distance drivers, and people in cold climates. While electric cars make soo much more sense for the average person.
I could get a little more into hydrogen powered cars than this stupid fad of battery electric. I guess it will take more wrecks and cars completely engulfed in flames from batteries on fire, not to mention the toxic fumes to get them finally gone and out of the picture forever.
Hydrogen should be the future due to range and electrical grid issues. Not to mention the toxic mining process of lithium. But average people and politicians can't see or don't care what happens next.
@@mister_dave1184 no. On the whole electric is still the better option, and lithium mining effects a local area, that’s not great, but better than global climate destruction with ICEs
@@Powderlover1 yeah, I don't think that us the cause
i think battery ev will dominate for passenger and light duty vehicles, but larger long haul applications will use hydrogen.. electric planes will use hydrogen for sure
Maybe not. Way less oxygen at 30K feet
@@norsevikingsir4932 they may not have to dump that water if they can capture it for other uses on board.
You're right. The weight of batteries is too heavy for aircraft or cargo ships. They will need a different alternative fuel and hydrogen seems like the most likely fuel.
diesel won't go anywhere for the coming 10-20 years in heavy duty trucks. hydrogen might come along but it still won't have the same sales numbers as diesel. diesel and hydrogen are about as energy efficient well to wheel but the hydrogen system tends to weigh quite a bit more than a diesel engine
@@jamesbeaman6337
That would be a wise design. Probably eliminate the potable water refilling infrastructure at airports. Coffee and espresso machines may need potable water though, for the minerals I guess.
30% the efficiency of a BEV and no home charging, what's not to like!
Well also no slow charging (not something I mind though), no bloody lithium, a chance for ICE to survive (I love V8s), and no damn Elon Musk dominating the show with his idiotic-ness...
@@ieditedmyname289 Ameen...
@@ieditedmyname289 Preach brother...
@@ieditedmyname289 How so?
Take that TESLA
Hydrogen is terribly inefficient. It uses roughly twice the amount of energy it produces to isolate hydrogen from other elements and pressurize it. Not to mention transportation costs to the facility. It just doesn't make any sense from an efficiency stand point, especially as battery tech improves. Hydrogen is really an energy storage mechanism rather than an energy source. Think of it as a gaseous battery. This might be useful for large transport that needs long, constant power for large vehicles, think trains and ships, where the powertrain and storage of fuel accounts for a much smaller proportion of the Gross Vehicle Weight. But for personal cars, battery electric is the way to go.
Tesla's are terribly inefficient. A 2001 toyota camry is more energy efficient
@@reefermonster9651 Not really. Looking at the powertrain alone, a Tesla Model S is about 4 times more efficient than a 2001 Camry (25 MPG vs. 100 MPGe) and Model 3 is even more efficient. It gets even worse once you start to considering the transportation of fuel, the warming process of an ICE, compared to an electric power plant, including a coal power plant, which is much more efficient than an ICE.
@@reefermonster9651 Sorry it is not! all tesla are above 100 mpg equivalent there is 9 kwh in a litre of petrol. the 100 kwh battery pack that does 400 miles in the model S so 11 litre of petrol or 3 gallons.
But it has a pretty shiny display😊
I live in the Bay Area of california, there seems to be a hydrogen fueling everywhere. Not sure I have ever seen a Murai in the wild however...
Lots of hydrogen buses though.
Same bro
There is a Hydrogen station in San Ramon, but I heard it's been out of order for the last 8 weeks.
Same! And it looks like toyota is giving a $4K rebate on the mirai along w $15K in refill credits, in addition to the $8K federal tax credit & $4K California tax credit.
@@MG-jv7pe and also 0% apr for 72months.. dam
Absolutely beautiful car. It's just a shame there's not more hydro stations. Also one negative would be the water coming out in the winter when driving, instant freeze.
they had test units for a long time now. BP gas in Omaha actually had a fleet of them. They work just fine in the winter. But they did have to be plugged in back then to 110vac to keep stack warmed. Otherwise, its a 15 min wait for it to be drivable.
“You’re not lugging around a massive battery” but the Mirai is bigger and heavier than a Model 3 but with less interior space.
How much did Toyota pay you for this?
Notice the expiration date of the hydrogen tanks inside the fuel door. They cost thousands to replace. The hydrogen eventually degrades the structural integrity of the tanks. Not all of the bugs are worked out yet.
Even in the early stage of H2 technology, the tanks will last immeasurably longer than the stupid tesla battery that will need replacement in 6-8 years and costs 20K as of today.
Imagine a car where you can just pull up to a pump, and in less than 10 minutes, have hundreds of miles of range and can just park it for potentially months or more and it will start up and still give you that same range. Imagine a car where you could leave it in a field abandoned for decades and it won’t contaminate ground water with heavy metals. Imagine a car that you can drive for decades with a little maintenance and pass down to your children. If only this existed. Wait, the government and media tells me we can’t have those anymore.
@@devinbender8428 Huh? They were referring to the ICE.
@@devinbender8428 he's probably just been watching too much Vice Grip Garage.
@@devinbender8428 do you really need that much luck with replacing the battery?
@@devinbender8428 it seem you so oppose to hydrogen you jumpy at that opportunity to try discredit it. By the way what did you say about, "wait 30 minutes for the compressor to charge up to compress the gas." that make me laugh out and rolling here 🤣🤣🤣🤣. How long it take to charge an AV again?
@@devinbender8428 Lol I never heard of any reported case of any hydrogen car taking 30 min to fuel up. A matter of fact not even half of 2000 psi is needed to fuel a hydrogen car. Maybe you need to take a trip to a hydrogen fuel station and read the stated psi or look at the notice on fuel cap door for the car, it will tell you the psi in which the fuel pressure will be, and it is not even 100 psi. It take just as long to fuel a hydrogen as it take a gasoline car to fuel up, and hydrogen can be transport just as gasoline is transported, so I do not know what pipeline in city you are talking about. I think you just Anti Hydrogen finding a case against it to promote what you more in loved or in favor with. I wont be surprise if you just turn out to be a Tesla fanboy. Tesla do a great job on their EV do. In our world it good to have choses and not having government or anyone making choice for you, or force their choice on you. I for one do not care for pure EV, but I will not discourage anyone that want an EV or make their choice for Hydrogen or ICE vehicle. It their right to choose what in their best interest that fit their life style.
A while back, I heard normal gas stations can get transitioned into hydro stations. If that's true, this seems like a more practical approach & even cheaper replacement in the long run for gas cars than going down the road of fully electric cars.
It's even more environment & political friendly, 'cause electric cars need lithium, & lithium is a rare earth material. Also, very few countries have lithium; we don't want our next mass-consumed energy resource(s) to have the same dirty politics of oil - creating coups, regime changes, & wars now for lithium instead of oil. I think hydrogen has better multi-faceted future overall.
They can, but at a high cost. The underground fuel tanks that store diesel/ gasoline are not suitable for hydrogen.
The pumps for diesel/ gasoline are not suitable, it will be a complete and costly overhaul. And the running cost of a hydrogen station are also quite high.
Easier and cheaper to replace the fuel pumps with 350 kW chargers
I agree. Hydrogen can be generated on-site through electrolysis. Also don't have to worry about future wars over lithium, as it is a rare earth metal. Battery disposal is also a huge concern.
@@devinbender8428 Wrong. The 2021 Toyota Mirai is equipped with a 1.2-kWh lithium battery. MUCH smaller.
@@devinbender8428 Not nearly in the same capacity. Less disposal/less environmental impact due to mining.
@@devinbender8428 So 10% disposal and less dependence on mainly China owned lithium imports. Hydrogen wins the more environmentally solution by a mile!
Owning a electric car and 99% time we charge in the garage and at night , no waiting on chargers and I’m sure I’m not alone in this
Agreed... I've owned my Honda Clarity PHEV for 2 years and have never waited on charging. Plug it in a night, wake up to a fully charged vehicle.
Apartment dwellers don’t have that luxury. BEV may be the right choice for some, but there is a place for FCEV as well.
First off, a lot of people live in apartments and condos, but thanks for basically saying you only think of people who are exactly like you. Also, you're saying you never travel more than a single charge, apparently all these people camped out at charging stations are a myth.
@@hamsterbrigade No myth, but you mainly see campers at charging stations in CA. In my city, the Tesla supercharger is usually deserted.
@@tacitus539 for now. But just think of the future. Either all electric or hydrogen vehicles. It’s easier and cheaper to install electric charging stations everywhere for electric cars. So eventually you will see charging stations along the sidewalk curbs in cities for the apartment dwellers.
I don’t see many companies investing in the hydrogen infrastructure as it will involve trillions of dollars to get it all across the country. Electric is the future.
I wonder what the highway department will think in the winter when your adding ice to the road.
They won’t sell this car where there is a winter.
It’s so minimal that’s not a problem
@@Kimbrough87 The previous Mirai was sold in Quebec and so is this new one, Norway as well.
@@Thoughmuchistaken i’m speaking on the behalf of United States of America 🇺🇸
@@Kimbrough87 yeah, the only country in the world
I agree with that, we need more options in the alt fuel vehicle arena!
Except the hydrogen comes from steam reforming natural gas, which comes from the oil companies. Wastes tons of energy to convert.
@@michaelkeudel8770 Technology is new but that doesn't mean the problems it brings can't be solved. Same happened with EVs but they create more waste don't they?
@@jeettrivedii the technology for USING hydrogen isn't the problem, creating the hydrogen itself IS the problem, and until you can make it cheaper than just dumping the energy directly into a battery, it will never go anywhere. Right now over 90% of the Hydrogen out there is made from steam reforming methane. You need energy to create the steam, and more energy to drill and access the methane, another fuel source, to create Hydrogen. you lose almost 70% of the energy to create the hydrogen, very inefficient.
I would much rather have this than a Tesla. I wish this design language would trickle down the Toyota lineup because the car looks gorgeous.
This looks hideous
Toyota never makes good looking cars
@@FishFind3000 The Mirai is gorgeous.
@@paulbedichek5177 not to me it isnt
The other problem with H2 is that most of it is being manufactured from natural gas. Thus it generates greenhouse gasses. Also, the transport of H2 causes more pollution. You are neglecting to mention these significant downsides.
Proof?
@@ociabi Unless you are piping your hydrogen to a refueling station, you need to truck your hydrogen. While for BEV, electricity goes through existing power lines.
As for the manufactured from natural gas, you can read more here:
www.eia.gov/energyexplained/hydrogen/production-of-hydrogen.php
But you can just google things like "how do we create hydrogen"
And electricity cause greenhouse gases as well. 20% of USA electricity still comes from coal. Natural gas is a cleaner option. 1% of USA electricity also comes from cutting down trees and burning them. As well the electric infrastructure could not currently handle it if everyone suddenly switched to battery electric cars.
Hydrogen doesn't have to be produced from natural gas there are other ways, just as electricity doesn't have to come from burning coal.
There is no magic bullet to stop greenhouse gases, just small steps
Most current is from coal and gas, eliminate all devopment on bevs until electricity is 100% nuclear and renewable, then you may mention the footprint of h2
Electricity is made from coal when the world gets to zero coal then you may tout bevs till then fcev are a path to lower carbon
Guess I'm not "Most people" then.
This is slow, badly packaged, cramped and expensive to fuel. It takes three times more electricity to move it down a road vs. an EV IF IF IF your hydrogen even comes from hydrolysis, which 98% doesn't.
You could put a gun to my head and I wouldn't but this crap.
Sorry but this looks like a paid advertisement than being a review. You got me at "purge" button. Coolest tech ever I guess.
Nope, never paid for by any car manufacturer. We can’t and won’t accept payment
@@TFLcar If you actually can't see that hydrogen makes absolutely zero sense for passenger vehicles then that is worse. The car's build quality and ride comfort has nothing to do with hydrogen tech btw.
A technology that produces clean water is amazing but it's in the same catagory as the rotary engine. It's amazing but impractical.
@@TFLcar They shipped a car to you for a week in which you were allowed to make a video that you make money off of. How is that not a transfer of value, aka payment, to you? If you say bad things they won't ship the next new model to you. Especially liked your rant about the weight of an EV battery without comparison to the weight of the Mirai. The Mirai weighs 220 to 300lbs. more than a Model 3LR.
If they can get a big nationwide network of hydrogen stations to actually keep the tank full i believe this is the way to go full electric
Exactly what I was thinking electric cars sounds good,but if you don't have enough juice how long you have to wait to charge? This is like gasoline,you stop and go.
Super capacitors would make a huge difference but for automotive use they're in their infancy
@@devinbender8428 I dont mind I will be driving 1 car only not five.
@@devinbender8428 oooh got you,yes because this is all new we not going to have enough stations.
@@devinbender8428 honestly none.
Imagine a hydrogen fuel cell camper trailer that would give your i3 a 2000 mile range!? ... or an off road trailer that would do the same with a Bollinger or Rivian.
I don’t get the lower weight argument for hydrogen cars. This Mirai is about 800 Ib Heavier then a Model 3.
700 lbs less than an S less expensive vastly lower carbon footprint and quicker refueling.
@@paulbedichek5177 a Mirai is no way comparable to a model S in other then length and price. The hydrogen technology takes a loot of space so you get a big car with minimum interior space. In performance and interior space it’s more like a VW ID 3.
@@DuesenbergJ its better for the environment all around. Speed means nothing. And except to the cop that gives you a ticket. 😂
@@DuesenbergJ model S sales have cratered, Mirai sales should be on an upward trend if they actually start delivering them.
So far I’ve seen a story of one car delivered, they are late.
@@DuesenbergJ bevs have enormous carbon footprint Facebook are no way comparable, much cleaner, as smaller lion. Both are needed.
I’ve had a 2016 Mirai for three years now and I’ve gotta say it’s hands down the best car I’ve ever owned. It’s my daily driver and it’s absolutely so well rounded as a vehicle. Yes infrastructure isn’t there yet but I’m in LA and it’s totally doable for me. Granted I have the older model so it’s vastly different but fuel cell cars are incredible. It’s exactly like driving a gasoline powered car with all the benefits of being electric. Amazing on long road trips here in California and we don’t have to wait an hour at fill up stations. The fast fill up time is just like pumping gasoline and you’re off. Really impressed with Toyota AGAIN!!
@@devinbender8428 there’s somewhere between 7500 and 10,000 on the road in CA actually and that’s basically in two metro areas. Yes some stations can have a line of cars 10 deep as you said at certain times. As long as you don’t fill up on a Friday at 5:30pm it’s usually not an issue. My station thankful never has a line ever. As far as compressor lag I have experienced it and never more than a minute or two max between cars. I’m simply stating that I’m a real world user whom over several years has had a great experience driving a FCEL vehicle.
@@Damidoo Could you have had a BEV and charged home at night and never worried about going to H2 station? What about the cost of the H2 or have you not used up the 15k allowance yet?
@@johnkechagais7096 yes I can charge an BEV at home but I chose a Mirai over a plug in battery electric. I still have free hydrogen and plan on getting the new Mirai when my free gas runs out. I drive a lot for work so being able to go sometimes hundreds of miles without stopping for an hour at a time is really great. They really are a great option and I think more people would purchase them if they had the fueling infrastructure to utilize them.
This is the big Con fooling people into thinking going somewhere to fill up in 5 mins is important it's not charging at home is much better than filling up anywhere
Please tell me why i should pay 70K Euros for a slow and cumbersome Toyota that costs me 15 Euros for 100km
hydrogen and where i have to travel around 120 km to the next hydrogen station - and back home again.
When the alternative is a fun car that costs me 60K Euros, has 0-100 kph in 3.9 seconds
and uses 2,40 Euros per 100 km in electricity which i can charge @ home.
And please no mention of the oh so fine "engineering" of hydrogen fuel cells.
They are older then Li-Ion batteries. Much MUCH older.
I
In long run EV needs replace expensive battery.
@@hutotuto1675 No.
Ok a bit more information why not:
My battery has a range of around 450km.
Times 1500 - thats on the low end of possible cycles that would be 675.000 km
I do not think i will drive my car for 675.000km. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Those numbers are correct and repeatable and proofable. I have 83000km and about 4,8% degredation. That wold mean for 70% capacity left i can drive up to 518.000 km.
(Actually more because the capacity loss in the first 3 months is more then the rest of the time).
Thats because i don't tend to my battery. I charge it and i use it. Many times a week. I stress it. In cold or in warm weather, in -15 degress celsisu and in +35 (we don't get mopre).
Because i have bought my car for a max. of 320,000km of battery and drive train capacity. And still i'm more then 50% above that self set limit.
The short answer to your comment is:
No.
You have to pay vat otherwise they are $50k
@@wolfgangpreier9160 batteries only last 12 years.
A major issue with hydrogen is that making it takes a lot of energy. There’s no free lunch. Our future will be a mix of propulsion. Nice video, however. Keep up the good work!
Once H2 is produced with surplus renewables it will be pretty close to a free lunch. H2 allows batteries to be small, which is the key to sustainability.
Exactly, it’s just absurd and will never go anywhere.
FIRST HYBRID IN STORE: TOYOTA PRIUS 👍🏻
FIRST FUELL CELL IN STORE: TOYOTA MIRAI 👌🏻 BEST 🤩
TOYOTA MIRAI IS AN IDEAL CAR WITH A CLEAN ELECTRIC DRIVE WITHOUT LIMITING THE NEED TO CHARGE VERY SKILLFUL 🤔 👌🏻😎👍🏻
Did I see that correct? Do not fill after 2035? So you get 15 years then have to replace the hydrogen tank. That kinda sucks.
You have to replace the battery in a BEV much quicker and those become toxic waste.
@@tacitus539 only if they are but recycled. Most places reuse batteries
@@tacitus539 Battery pack has to replaced i guess 8 yrs. Also its difficult to extract lithium from battery electrode in lithium ion battery pack. Needless to say many BEV manufacturers shows negligence in discussing recycling of lithium.
@@amitkrupal1234 it depends. I‘ve heard that Teslas do need to replace it regularly. We do have some 20 years old Prius Taxis with well over a million KM still running on the first battery. I currently own my second Toyota Hybrid (Corolla) and my first one was the first gen of Yaris Hybrid which I sold after 8 years (when warranty went out) it only lost 1% in battery capacity (you get a full battery analysis is done at the yearly inspections). Toyota has a quite good battery management.
@@amitkrupal1234 That's a lie. There's a 2013 Model S for sale in my area, that still has 90% of the capacity. And that's 8 year old tech at this point, the new ones are much better!
Kinda curious how TFL is filling up the car since they're in Colorado.
There is no place that doesn’t have h2 for sale.
Where they charged the car?
There are no public feeling stations but its possible some fleet trucks use them and have their own refuelling points and maybe they have an agreement to use it. I don't know for sure.
@@paulbedichek5177 Maybe, but at 10.000 psi? And a fitting nozzle?
@@701983 public stations are in Ca, you could fill it up anywhere on Earth , for the right price, you can have a home h2 installed, Toyota won’t sell them outside Ca, Japan and Eu.
Even if you live in Ca, you should live near a station.
It's good to see Hydrogen tech taking another swing at things. The refuel convenience proposition could make it a strong contender if the refuelling network comes to support it.
Their fueling stations
have been
💥 exploding 💥
😱
2 in Japan
1 in Europe
(Japan govt is threatening to pull their grants and doubling down on their expectations)
@@nextleveljourney6612 I wonder what the backstories are behind these events. New tech inevitably brings up new problems.
This car is a joke! Do you know why there are not more Hydrogen fueling stations? Because it’s too expensive to build and they are very limited in capacity. And even in California, Toyota sold only a couple thousand cars since it came to market. And go to Kelly Blue book and read the reviews!
Like Sandy Munro said, Hydrogen cars are the future and always will be!
How’s it a joke if you just said it’s the future
😂😂
@@alighaus4127 you're not understanding what he's trying to say when he says "hydrogen cars are the future and always will be ". Think about it for a second. Come on, you can do it. Let us know if we have to explain it to you.
People are too obsessed with their car being able to do the quickest lap of Nurburgring. There is nothing nicer than a soft, plush ride on a long trip in a quiet car. I'm taking my Crown Vic out for a spin now, bye
I like you. 😃😁
People or motoring channels?
@@alanrickett2537 Probably motoring channels promote certain behaviour.
Many desires are thought and are not heartfelt. 🥀
In the early 2000s, the market was teetering between electric cars and hydrogen fuel cell cars. The federal government decided to subsidize full electric instead of hydrogen. They chose poorly.
The cost to make hidrogen 99.9 pure to be use in this car is very high. The total eficency of the car is not to great.
Yet
@@mblake0420 nuclear fusion does work that well yet either so let's not put it in cars
I always felt that fuel cells were the future. I guess it’s easier to put charging stations up across the US then hydrogen stations?
The hydrogen is made by reforming natural gas, there isn't enough supply to support the vehicles without wasting tons of other energy sources. You can use the electricity and charge the battery, or use that same electricity to create the hydrogen, and also use up natural gas, so that the hydrogen you create can be converted yet again into electricity. It's cool, but very wasteful to convert from one source of energy to another. This is why a battery powered car will always be cheaper.
We have now witnessed the future, this is the path the world needs not useless and expensive batteries. Not to mention the toxic mess left after a battery is used up. Forget the cost and slower performance , that can be addressed with time. Something that spews water(clean water) as a by product is the most important point.
When I lived in France, the parking garages didn't allow LPG vehicles ("Parking interdit aux véhicules GPL"). You wouldn't want to have to find street parking in a city. The hydrogen tank will stop a bullet, but it won't stop bad people from attaching a valve to defeat this.
Gets my vote over a Tesla.
Why?
I will never buy a fully electric car, for many reasons. I don’t like hybrids either. But I would buy this. Toyota quality. Just need Hydrogen all over North America and I’m in. Great review! 👍
@@devinbender8428 Thankfully I will be dead in 50 years. Though if I’m still alive and a trillionaire, I will spend the money.
@@devinbender8428 I am 6 years from retiring, so 50 years from now hopefully someone will have stopped me from driving if I am still alive! But my comments suggest I am already a grouchy old man! 😂
Currently the biggest problem with Hydrogen is splitting it from what it's attached to H2O, CH4 C4H10 (Water. Methane, Butane) so currently takes more energy to produce Hydrogen than it produces in a fuel cell vehicle.
If only the oil companies would realise that Hydrogen is the new Gasoline.
nuclear power plants can generate electric needed to generate hydrogen. Hey, when you get a sunny day, then that too contributes to electric needed to generate the hydrogen. There might even be some type of biomass bacteria that could generate hydrogen
@@williamwarrenconkright3973 we don't have enough nuclear power stations in the UK and solar accountants for a very minimal amount of power the same as wind.
Hydrogen is the way forward but unfortunately the fuel companies have sat on the technology for decades so they could keep us reliant on oil not realising that Hydrogen would give them a sustainable profitable future.
Wait, it sprays out water when accelerating? That means in the winter time, these things will ice up the intersections and on-ramps like crazy. That's dangerous!
How do you figure? I guess it doesn't rain or snow during the winter right? 🙄🤣🤣🤦
@@faststang85 Use your brain. When it rains and snows, people KNOW to use caution when driving. When it's a clear day and the roads are clear, people don't expect to have an icy patch on a highway entrance. Duh.
@@faststang85 Your stang must not be that fast if you can't grasp the concept of losing grip while accelerating.
Most of the current hydrogen is produced from natural (methane) gas.
Key word: current. 40% of hydrogen in California is already green.
@@pdd3 "green" hydrogen (water split into H and O) is about 80% efficient - so throwing away 20% at the get go. The fuel cell is about 60% efficient in turning the hydrogen into electricity so throwing away 40% of the hydrogen's energy to re-make electricity to drive the car. Overall efficiency 48% (not taking hydrogen transportation and storage into account) for taking electricity to make hydrogen to then make electricity again. Much more efficient to put the original electricity into a battery to drive the car.
Most of the current for ev’s come from FF.
@@iowa_don when you also take out compressing the hydrogen the efficiency is in the order of 10-20% at the wheel
@@paulbedichek5177 60% at the moment in the US, the other 40% is from nuclear hydro, and other renewables
www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/electricity.php#:~:text=Coal's%20forecast%20share%20of%20electricity,and%20to%2019%25%20in%202022.
I’ve been saying for years that the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles should be the future of our cars...
They are but for now extracting hydrogen is an energy intensive task. It needs at least an order of magnitude drop in energy needed to start to be viable for mass market
I’m not into cars, but I would rather have this over any half built rattle trap Tesla.
@@JAMESWUERTELE there are 70+ new EVs on the market this year, not just Tesla
True Green Hybrid SUV:
15kw plugin battery (>110km range) with efficient regenerative breaking, ultra high capacity >1.5kw solar top on roof & bonnet and small hydrogen 4kg tank (>350km range) for light-weight & cost-effective green hybrid FCEV (>600km range) under $25k or ₹200k..!!
These look so good going down the road, I just saw one. Way better looking than previous generation
Since hydrogen can be obtained from water through electrolysis, I wonder if petrol/gas stations could generate the hydrogen on site? Least there would be no need to have the hydrogen delivered.
nah, it needs 5kgs of hydrogen, you need the 250kwh worth of energy to get those 5kg of H1
Yes there are some stations that generate hydrogen on site. They’re much more expensive than a delivery station. There are also stations (like Torrence in LA) that are on a pipeline. In Denmark and Germany they have several stations that generate on site with 100% renuables. Also it is possible to make a plug in fuel cell that can produce its own hydrogen. Nobody sells one yet but I imagine down the road somebody will. You can even power your home from these cars! Very cool stuff!
@@devinbender8428 you’re right it is more efficient to just charge a battery. But real world driving habits are different for everybody which is why FCELs make sense for some people. Gasoline is horrible but also super convenient for people as it stands right now. We’re getting to a renewable society in baby steps. Battery and FCEL cars are a step. I’m all for both.
@@devinbender8428 if you place a solar panel park next to the gas station it makes perfect sense. Just straight up charge any electric car that comes by and it can make hydrogen during times where there isnt a car that needs electricity. The same could be done with all power stations, wether its hydro, air or nuclear. Just make hydrogen out of it during moments where there is less demand than there is supply
@@joshkiej6601 That's the hope for hydrogen, that it can be a energy storage medium even though you lose 20- 30% to make it, because that electricity would be wasted in low demand times anyway. Its very hard to store hydrogen though.
You’re the only guy on YT who spells out the advantages of a fuel cell vehicle versus an electric vehicle.
It would be nice if he actually compared it fairly though. For example, at 1:25 says he's only lugging around a 1kWh battery. While that is true, he's also lugging around 500lbs of fuel cell equipment to make it into electricity and another 500lbs of structural steel to protect the occupants and make a physically large car with the interior space of a sub compact. So the Mirai (even with the tanks empty) ends up weighing more than a long-range Tesla. Also he makes the claim it's long-lasting. Since the first ones were only made in 2016, I'm not sure how he knows that. And the entire hydrogen system in the 2016s already is about to expire in 9 years. You can see when this one expires by the date on the fuel door at 8:28 which they nicely display.
@@scottkolaya2110 I agree. The Mirai weighs 4335 lbs while the Tesla Model 3LR weighs only 4031 lbs.
I've seen a lot of this "alternative" fuel junk lately, and while I originally championed H2, once I looked at the technology and the cost, it just doesn't make any sense. I won't detail manufacturing, but H2 and batteries each have their issues and special material requirements. What it comes down to is $0.20 a mile for H2, and $0.03 per mile for an EV. Even halving H2 fuel costs are still over 3Xs EVs. In the time it would take for H2 to build out an infrastructure, EV batteries will probably doubling capacity and halve or less charging times. (guesses of course, but not outrageous over the span of say a decade)
Norway has been pretty quite since the hydrogen filling station exploded about 1 year or so ago and a USA station also
There was an explosion of a hydrogen tank in South Korea in 2019 and Koreans are protesting any plans on building new hydrogen filling stations there. I just don't see this technology taking off.
@@devinbender8428 there is nowhere on earth where a government is pulling back on h2 stations.
The explosion even destroyed dozens of houses in the vicinity
@@prime8nate bruh, gasoline-triggered explosions far outnumber the hydrogen counterparts....stop capping.
@@samuraijosh1595 Bruh - the explosions might be more because gas being stored is a hell of a lot more than hydrogen. Totally not capping, bruh. Pass the jay.
Really very tiring watching a channel that consistently warps, misrepresents, or is just ignorant of the facts. I find much of Tommy has to say laughable. Maybe that's what he is going for and I just don't get the joke.
Hydrogen is a dead end. You are wrong when you say it is efficient, its end to end efficiency is more in line with a gas car and much less than a battery electric.
You misrepresent it when you say it is efficient. You also misrepresent it when you say that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and then leave out the fact that nearly all of it is combined with other elements requiring pouring energy into a process to break hydrogen free of the other element(s).
When using the most common hydrogen production system, Steam reforming, the chemical reaction is CH4 + H2O + heat --> CO + 3H2. Yes, that's right, carbon monoxide (CO) is generated. Steam reforming is used because it is somewhat more efficient than electrolysis.
Electrolysis is cleaner but wastes about 30% of the energy (electricity) you put into it to produce the H2. Kinda dumb, when you could have just used the electricity to start with.
So what do get when buying a Mirai, a low efficiency, low performance, and possibly polluting (if the hydrogen comes from other than electrolysis) crap car.
We really need to focus on battery electric and improving the system. Kudos to Elon Musk for understanding that hydrogen is a joke and for pressing ahead with engineering great cars and leading the charge into better battery tech.
You just said what I wanted to say, you nailed it!
Yeah but I like the way the seats feel😊
An 80's vintage movie - Blade Runner (Harrison Ford) - had a subtheme of hydrogen powered flying vehicles. LA was turned into a rainy mess due to the water exhaust. This hydrogen technology is definitely the way to go, not only for powering cars but large scale for homes. Power plants generating power in CA would produce enough water for crops and general use (duh!). Of course special interests will fight it all the way - easier to take water from the Colorado river.
Sorry but a fuel cell has not the best efficiency coefficient. Maybe round 40%.... But, to produce H2 , thats where it really gets bad.
Imagine riding a motorcycle on roads behind cars dripping water on the oil slick.
Or in winter time dripping water on the road 🥶
From what I've read, with current tech, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than what you get out of it unless you are creating it solely from renewable energy & onsite. So ideally you'd want to produce the hydrogen at the fueling stations themselves to remove having the tanker truck distribution network. But building out hydrogen stations that create their own fuel from a renewable source, or even partially using the electrical grid, cost 5-7x more than a traditional gas station. So the argument is if you are using the electrical gird to even partially generate hydrogen why bother building out expensive fueling stations or trucking the hydrogen in from somewhere else. Why not just build out less expensive charging stations and just use batteries and leave hydrogen exclusively for the commercial sector such as long haul trucking & heavy equipment?
all energy sources take more than you get.
Even with renewable energy, it doesn't change the physics.
@@Robert-cu9bm fuel cells do not produce a lot of power so you still need a battery to drive the electric motors. rather than charging the battery directly, you turn it into hydrogen, then compress it is then converted back into electricity in the fuel cell that then charges the battery. Its weight trade off of additional batteries - tanks and fuel cells against efficiency looses for the vehicle being heavier
I just checked the weight it weighs the same a a model 3 1,848 kg (4,074 lb) so no weigh savings and a lot of added complexity
Fun fact , EV drivers spend less time in filling up than gas and hydrogen, why ? Because they mostly charge at home for the work commute, less than 30 seconds every few days. And when your doing 250 miles 18 minutes vs 5 mins isn’t an issue.
Hey Tommy: You know what the number one complaint about fuel cell cars among people who actually own fuel cells cars? Driving across town to access the ONE filling station, then discovering that somebody else just filled up and now you have to wait at the pump for OVER AN HOUR while the pump re-pressurizes so you can get your '5 minute fill'.
Well, why don't they just build more? Nobody can afford to! Each pump costs MILLIONS to install and the permitting process takes years because of the highly dangerous nature of large quantities of highly compressed hydrogen. The rash of hydrogen station explosions around the world last year didn't help either.
But I'm sure it makes a great deal of sense for apartment dwellers who can't get their management company to let them install a plug on the wall. I'm sure it will be super easy to get them to change the rules and allow a vehicle to park there when it's not allowed in many parking garages or even allowed to cross various bridges.
Thank you for the 'Leaf' reference.
If you look at 2:57 on the warnings label it says do not fill after 2035 - 07 this means that the hydrogen tanks have to be re certified or replace in 15 years so how much is to replace these hydrogen tanks ? Can’t fill it at home this is a deal breaker .... OK maybe not as bad as the filling station are extremely rare and costly.
cant fill a gas car at home basically...
@@susanklenofsky6018 But can fill an electric car at home. That's why they're vastly superior, at least for those living in houses.
Apparently as of March 2021 California residents can get a deal on these for under $18K Plus a $15K Hydrogen credit which makes it about $3K plus taxes, etc. Limited time offer...
yes, they can, if they can get H2 to fill up. Check out the current status of all H2 stations in CA. h2-ca.com/region?id=0 As I write this 24 of 44 stations are out of H2.
I don't understand how they managed to name the most interesting and revolutionary technology with the most generic "fuel cell". And then they introduced it on the most generic mid range sedan that isn't excellent in anything in particular - it's not cheap, it's not fast, it's not stylish, it's not luxury, it's not even appealing to hipsters and tree huggers. The biggest marketing failure of the car industry. Imagine Elon getting his hands on this technology how he would have spun it.
This is definitely the future.
I've been saying for the past decade, hydrogen is the future. Batteries are merely an easy stepping point for right now.
Hydrogen is the future and always will be 😉
We need a technological leap for fuel cells to beat electric cars. Tesla has already found a way to improve current batteries but I don't think theirs a easy method to improve fuel cells
@@macberry4048 lmfao, nothing worth doing is easy. Getting to the moon or Mars is hard. Hydrogen fuel cells are rapidly developing.
One day, hydrogen doubters will sound as silly as horse salesman that tried to make cars sound impractical
I don't understand the enthusiasm for fuel cell vehicles. Hydrogen seems like a pipe dream because theirs so much information about battery innovation and people calculate the type of batteries needed to make electric cars feasible but with hydrogen we get a basic overview and because it can be fueled so quickly it automatically beats electric cars
Hydrogen is made mostly from natural gas, which is a fossil fuel and creates CO2 emissions. It can also be made from water by electrolysis, but in that case it would be more efficent to just charge a battery.
You would have thought they would have created a SUV with this powertrain at that price point.
Seriously, at least then I could fit in it. My $7000 Chevy Spark EV is more roomy than that.
It would be too heavy. Aerodynamics are really important in Hydrogen cars.
@@alfrredd Aero is just as important in BEV's but they have lots of interior room. Someday I hope people realize Hydrogen doesn't make sense for passenger vehicles. Maybe for long distance trucking or for planes and shipping but for small vehicles BEV's are a much better fit.
The biggest problems I see with hydrogen are:
1. Hydrogen is generated from a process called electrolysis and it takes over twice as much energy to get hydrogen and store it as it delivers. Not very GREEN.
2. The required infrastructure for generating and storing hydrogen is very expensive.
3. Hydrogen isn't available in rural areas.
That wireless charger is good until you accelerate, turn or brake and your phone goes flying lol
Well, those aren't things people who buy these cars do in a hurry...
It’s got a really grippy rubber pad
On my Camry , mine stay their, cuz my phone cover fit right there , it don't move. It only fly when I take off the cover.
0.60 8.8 seconds? I don't think it would be matter
This car is pathetic, I'm getting claustrophobic just looking at it. For 50k and for it's size it should have way more interior space. I will stick with my Chevy Spark EV. I don't care how nice the materials are if I can't fit in the car. I also don't want to have to move to California to be able to drive. It is so much nicer to never have to think about fueling my car. I haven't even had to think about fuel since last summer when I bought the car. Every morning I leave home with enough energy to last a week.
I'm not an electric car fan yet, but I do see the light at the end of the tunnel and it's electric. Battery Technology is just around the corner where batteries will be charged in minutes. The cost of these cars will go down also as Tesla gets more competition from every car maker. Can't wait to see electric NASCAR!
What’s interesting at 2:57 showed inside the fuel door says “Do Not Refuel after 2035.07”. Does that mean the H2 tank needs to be replaced because it’s structural integrity of the tank has deteriorated on July 2035?
Little do you know, it’s a 20 min reset time at the H2 pump before the next car can start to fuel.
FaKe NeWs
Where did you get that from?? We do have some stations here in Luxembourg for Busses (they let the few people asking for Hydrogen refuel for free as they are government owned) and the cars/busses refuel end to end. No waiting times. We will get our first official station later this year which will be like a traditional gas station, but no news about the system being different except that you‘ll be charged for it.
i live near a toyoda regional office with a hydrogen station and there is always a line, due to low number. has to service toyoda and hondas. also seen the station down for weeks and not sure where customer got to refill.
This hydrogen car is a very cool technological advancement. And for only $49,000! The future looks very bright.
@@devinbender8428 The Mirai in California has $20K off from Toyota right now plus $8K Federal credit and $4500 state of California, so its a lot cheaper than a Model 3, but much slower and no fold down seats.
@@Acevolt So between the discounts and subsidies they are giving the car away for close to free and they still only sell a few hundred a month.
Interesting warning it has on the fuel tank label, "Do not refuel after 2035.07". Probably has to do with the hydrogen embrittlement problem where hydrogen likes to pass through things trying to contain it, damaging it in the process.
The expiration is on the composite tanks and not subjected to embrittlement because they aren't made of metal, but the pressure and thermocycling of the tanks do start to break down the bonds between the fibers and the resin and the tanks become porous over time. They have linings to mitigate this. In the end, the fuel cells don't last that long either, so the car goes to the recycler after 15 years.
Do not refuel after 2035. I'm assuming the fuel cells will need to be replaced then, and I cannot find a price estimate for that so I will use 2035 as the cars useable until date. Toyota offers a $15,000/3 year fuel card(which is generous) so I'm curious about running costs after that term ends in 2024. This leaves 11 years of buying your own fuel at an arbitrary average of $70 per fill, good for an average 280 miles. Based on driving 11,000 miles per year the operator of this lovely Mirai will dole out ~$30,000 in fuel costs before needing to completely replace the fuel cells. $30 grand is a lot of money to spend for the privilege of pumping fuel instead of charging at home. My interests remains with the BEV for now.
Don’t run a Tesla after 12 years Toyota’s have far greater build quality, a Toyota will run a century.
If you purchase it the fuel card is good for 6 years.
Impressive stuff. Our main daily is a 2020:RAV4 hybrid so would love to see this tech, with a bit more oomph, in a comparable vehicle soon.
If you want oomph, check out the Hyperion XP-1.
Not at all "efficient" if you consider how the hydrogen is generated. Making "green" hydrogen (water split into H and O) is about 80% efficient - so throwing away 20% at the get go. The fuel cell is about 60% efficient in turning the hydrogen into electricity so throwing away 40% of the hydrogen's energy to re-make electricity to drive the car. Overall efficiency 48% (not taking hydrogen transportation and storage into account) for taking electricity to make hydrogen to then make electricity again. Much more efficient to put the original electricity into a battery to drive the car.
You said it costs $49K USD WOW that works out to $59.14K Canadian.A Tesla Model 3 SR+ is $52.990 Canadian plus you get $5K off for a federal rebate total price $47.990 Canadian There are Tesla superchargers all across Canada on the Trans Canada HWY plus more coming.
I do want a car that can pee like a transformer. 🤖🤖
Thanks for that imagery
If it was at least 280+ HP I’d consider getting it.
I tend not to speed like most people but I hate slow acceleration.
When you consider that the only pollution it emits into the environment is CLEAN WATER, then I think 'only' having 180bhp is not too much of a burden to bare. "only" having 180bhp for your personal transportation is definitely a First World problem.
The truck version would be great with the stations to support it. End the clean towing range anxiety issue.
Toyota: Lets build BMW Supra
Toyota: Lets build hydrogen car that you can't fill up anywhere.
The idea is great. The engineering that goes into a project like this is awesome.
Complaint g about it's performance is funny. If I want performance I will get a Hellcat or TRX. Lol
Engineering is cutting edge...but it's the wrong solution for Cars. Maybe for Trucks?
@@archigoel could be. I mean, if you can get the range out of it. I am still waiting for solar powered cars.
I know they’ve been working on this technology for decades. But I do believe it’s still in its infancy, and at some point we’ll all be driving hydrogen cars. It’s makes too much sense.
No you won't, the globalists are making sure of that.
@@deejayimm that may be true.
The FUTURE is not BEV's. Nissan has e-power where they have a small ICE that charges the electric motor.No charging required. They have exhaust technology now that in a couple of years we'll have ZERO emissions ICE hybrids that have the advantages of electric motors without the disadvantages of BEV's. It's gonna cost too much to adapt to BEV's and hydrogen.... Yall make some AWESOME informative videos and I respect the honesty in your videos.
B4 mass produce FCEV , manufacturers need to take into consideration the owner ease of reach to H2 pump stations too. Few minutes refuel time is not good enough if no pumps available in your city or town.
Hydrogen is part of the future. A place and purpose for both.
Nope. Electric is the future. Hydrogen is highly dangerous and should be banned.
@@Digikidthevoiceofreason all energy forms can be highly dangerous. Hydrogen fuel cell cars have killed how many?
@@Upliftyourbrothers Doesn’t matter. Hydrogen is extremely dangerous.
Great video as always Tommy.
I'm guessing that little sticker in the fuel fill door means the car(or any hydrogen car) is gonna need to be re tanked after 15 years🤔
The Fuel Cell itself will be worn out as well, since it uses up it's platinum inside. So that'll have to be renewed as well, but after how many miles? No word about the reduction components (The fuel cell can't handle the10.000 psi from the tanks), nor about the actual Energy-comsumption -> how much Energy has been used to produce the 5Kg hydrogen. Also no values for leakage: how long can you let the car sit, before half of the Hydrogen-Supply has disappeared. A lot of information missing here.
@@jebjeb4135 Your questions apply equally to battery powered cars too.
@@seanhunt7750 actually no these questions don't apply equally to a battery Vehicle. It doesn't have a fuel cell with platinum that is slowly consumed, or pressure reducers. Yes, batteries do slowly drain over time but that is a known variable. Yes batteries have to be charged wich is the only unknown variable of where the electricity comes from. However, currently hydrogen is created directly from natural gas, which I know so does some of the electricity charging battery cars. But, if you drive a car that is just like driving a gas car and refills like a gas car then what is the point if it gets it's fuel source from the same place? And lastly, the tanks. Hydrogen is kind of special because it has a nasty habit of slowly leaking through the container walls which is a problem that NASA has been trying to solve for years. EV's biggest unknown is the battery life and granted that is a big unknown with all of these different battery chemistry changes.
Modern CNG and hydrogen tanks usually have a 20-25 year life span.
@@Upliftyourbrothers Yes, but H2 causes embritlement, which appears to be a thing.
Toyota is pushing hydrogen because they want you on the hook with their dealership network which makes most of its money servicing cars. Self preservation is the name of the game. Wonder why they hate selling electric cars. That hydrogen tack filter is a massive expense for your monthly service, cash cow for dealerships. And what doesn't require as many services to the dealership? BEV. Do you get it now?
@@devinbender8428 Thanks for your epic taste of irony.
I would 100% buy this if there were stations in Florida
I would get this over a Tesla tbh
Both have their advantages but personally I'd take a battery vehicle as it suits my driving needs.
If I did constant motorway miles and we had more Hydrogen stations in the UK then this would work great.
There is a very random public hydrogen station in Mansfield Massachusetts
This gives people power and reliability. Precisely why our govt will fight to make sure we don't get it.
It is long past time to prioritize the construction of an adequate hydrogen dispenser infrastructure. Fueling cost should drop a good deal as hydrogen stations become available. As to whether the hydrogen option materializes, who knows, but it would represent a phenomenal improvement over gasoline and electric cars.
Still watching you guys from nz :) hello
Those are some fairly large inconveniences with owning a hydrogen fuel cell car. Might be better for commercial uses.