The Last of Us 1x9 (2023) - SERIES REACTION
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- 🍄WELCOME back to my channel!🍄 Today I am watching THE LAST OF US Episode 9, the season finale! I am low key expecting something sad to happen, possibly something terrible since that seems to be a pattern of this show! So needless to say I am very nervous going into this but of course very excited so without further ado, grab you chicki nuggies and choccy milk because we're jumping in💦
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This season finale had me damn near in tears this whole episode. Seeing how Ellie was brought into the world, hearing about Joel's attempt at taking his own life, seeing Joel take Ellie out of the hospital and back to Wyoming....it all just had me feeling so emotional. It's amazing just how much the dynamic has changed between Joel and Ellie. In the beginning he saw her as a package that needed to be delivered, and by the end of this season, we see this parent-child, father-daughter relationship develop and it was just really beautiful to see. I was so split on what Joel did at the hospital, I understand why he did it, but at the same time it was selfish -- the needs of a few over the needs of many. However, if I was in his shoes, I'm not sure I would've done anything different. I never realized how invested I was going to become in these fictional characters, and that by the end of the season I'd be in tears lol. I really loved this show and I can't wait for the next season.
I have to be honest, purely from a male perspective...A T800 has NOTHING on Joel. That being said...virtually everyone has lied to Ellie...even Riley lied to her at first. This was an incredibly emotional episode. Seeing Joel BE her Father...fighting for her like a Father...very powerful. Was it for his own feelings? Yes, at least in part. His admission to Ellie about the bullet scar, and what really kept him going during their journey...yeah, that makes my face wet too. I also see that Anakin has escaped his facehugger (😆) and is standing next to Superman (😁). Also, LOVE the shirt!! ❤❤ Lauren, as Always...wonderful, stunning, emotional reaction to a likewise incredible episode. Gold on Gold again. Thank you for ALL that you do❤. Peace, light and love.🥰✌️❤🧡💜
he saw Ellie as a daughter at that point. when it comes to the love between a father and hischild, there is nothing on this earth that would stop him from doing what he needs to do to keep her safe
I really enjoy your reaction to the final today Lauren And I can't wait to see your reaction to future season 2.
Long live Joel and Ellie 💕🦒
Marlene should explain the stakes and chances to Ellie and give her the choice, and at least a few days to make a decision. Then Ellie should have the chance to talk to Joel and to explain to him her decision. Marlene did nothing of that, she took the choice from Ellie and she pushed Joel to do the only thing he was programmed to do. And then Joel lied to Ellie, 'cause he had hope to save her the guilt. So, everything that happened was IMO Marlene's fault. She betrayed Elie, she betrayed Anna, she betrayed Joel, and she betrayed humanity, because she was so blinded by her "noble cause" to save the people that she forgot about the humans.
@@skeezaworkan that is a very well thought out arguement...that I agree with 100 percent.
I LOVE that they cast Ashley Johnson, who brought Ellie to life in the games, as the woman who literally brought Ellie to life for the show.
And loved it actually had a resemblance to current ellie for a split second I thought is that ellie in the future so dang similar I can buy thats her real mom uk
Joel: look ravioli
Also Joel: guns down 20 people without any emotion on his face
By now, I've watched about a dozen reactions to this episode. You are the only reactor who instantly,. intuitively understood the Joel death machine thing, as I did when I saw it. Joel has exactly two priorities - (1) to keep Ellie alive and (2) to make her happy, and he will do whatever it takes to accomplish that.
I got to feed the giraffes here in Colorado Springs, CO. We have a zoo on the side of a mountain called Cheyenne Mountain. We have the only mountain zoo here in the US maybe in the world. The ones there most likely came from the Hoggle Zoo there in Salt Lake City. My wife and I went there when I was stationed in UT. This was a great wrap up to the whole season and so ready for the next season.
It was cool seeing Ellie's voice actress from the game get a role in the show like Troy Baker did. This series finale was crazy intense and emotional. It was awesome watching this and watching your reaction each week. Can't wait for season 2
Yeah and also one of the nurses in the end is Laura Bailey (Abby's voice). Won't tell much about that character to not spoil season 2 but it's cool to see her too!
Episode 8 is missing from your page and playlist
Ellie's mother is played by Ashley Johnson Ellie's actress from the game which is 👍👍👍👍
The opening definitely had shades of Blade, but also Star Wars. The Williams family switchblade scene. "Your mother wanted you to have this when you were old enough".
Speaking as a father of 3 daughters, I wholeheartedly agree with Joel and his murder spree to protect her
Like Bill wrote in his letter to Joel
"That's why men like you and me are here. We have a job to do, and God help any motherf***ers who stand in our way."....
Great reaction, Lauren. Keep it up,
Respect from AZ.
Fun fact one of the Nurse is laura bailey (Abby) the voice of a char in season two and the pregnant woman is Ashley johnson the voice of ellie in the game.
not just voice ashley did the motion capture also
Dang, it sucks to miss a whole episode reaction. It’s such an important part of the story 😭
Been looking for her reaction to E8 all over her channel, was it taken down?
Hey Lauren! Another great reaction. The lighting in the studio looks amazing! Wow. This show has such a dreamcast of actors. It was a really good episode. 🥰
Did ep 8 get taken down ?
Hey Laurenn!)I catch you instantly)
I really love your reaction! Earned a subscriber :)
I liked that you were one of the few reactors I have seen that was just quiet, kind of sad douring the hospital scene. I understand that people are cheering because they want Joel to save Ellie, I wanted that too. But watching that play out I just felt sooo sad and a wierd heavy feeling. That I still have. This show really killed us all. In a good way :)
Ellie definitely grew on both me and Joel beyond what I expected. I think it was intentional to make us mirror Joel's gradual love for her as the season progressed.
I always love your reactions, Lauren, and this time's no different. Now that it's over, this covered the first game (now re-released as Part I, contra Part II). The major story arc points were the same though the show cuts out a lot of gaming and combat, which was understandable for fitting it all into 9 eps of tv, but leaves the show feeling like both Joel and Ellie aren't as capable survivors and killers of zombies/raiders/hunters as they are in the game. Some of the additions were minor but neat, like with the various major VAs of the game having roles.
But yeah, I think the end made you feel precisely what was intended.
This series was stellar from episode to episode, as were your reactions each week Ms. Laurenn. Great stuff 😄
They don’t always have openings, but when they do it’s absolutely powerful.
The ability they can mess with our emotions in just 3 minutes is 10/10.
Also your new lighting looks great 😄
Ellies' pregnant Mother is played by Ashley Johnson!! who voices Ellie in the game!!!
Hi Lauren hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤️
this was a fantastic episode and the amount of growth for both ellie and joel was great. joel finally realising that he love's ellie like a daughter and that she had healed his trauma now he wants to help heal hers, the total anger he feels towards the fireflys for trying to harm ellie is evident in his eyes as he is killing everything that is a threat to his now surrogate father role. he did what any parent would do he protected ellie no matter the cost. cant wait for season 2
That was an excellent episode and a fitting conclusion to season 1...I understand the need to protect your child from the ugliness that the world can sometimes throw at them,but when Ellie asked him for the truth, Joel should have told her, that good intention lie, seems to me that it's going come back to mess with them in the future, anyway, always a pleasure to see your videos, Dee...Dee Lauren, good night.
Marlene should have given Ellie a choice and let Joel speak to her. Joel only threatened Marlene after she (refused) to let him see or speak to Ellie. Ellie was already unconscious in surgery. Making it crystal clear Marlene had no intentions of waking Ellie up so Joel could ask her if she was ok with sacrificing herself.
So people condemning Joel need to ask themselves if they think Ellie deserved a choice and what if that was your child. I personally think Ellie deserved a choice.
I think Ellie would be willing to sacrifice herself dispite the chance of failure. However I also think Ellie would expect Marlene to give her the choice. Unfortunately that's not what happened.
People vilifying Joel are overlooking that and other factors. In this very episode Ellie told Joel she wanted to finish it. Meaning risking theirs lives to find and help the fireflies with vaccine/cure. However she also told him she would follow him anywhere he wants afterwards. Meaning Ellie expected to be able to help the fireflies than leave (very much alive) with Joel.
Remember Marlene (refused) to give Ellie a choice or let Joel see or talk to her. You should be furious with Marlene for not letting Joel speak to Ellie and ask her what she wants.
I'v already said I think Ellie would have agreed and Joel would have been very upset but, atleast they'd have a chance to say goodbye.
Had Marlene let Joel talk to Ellie it is unlikely he'd go on a killing spree.
However Joel would do one of two things. Leave anḍ unfortunately Kill himself or hopefully return to his brother Tommy. I ask again would you let someone kill your child especially when not given a choice?
I wouldn't
Was Episode 8 removed by you or RUclips? Just curious.
It's set to 'Private' for some reason, just ran the series myself and didn't know it was gone till i'd done episode 7.
great reaction
Hi Lauren i love your Shirt 👕 ! I really enjoyed your reaction to this last episode I agreed it was very emotional I saw your eyes were tearing all the way🥺 I even notice your cheeks and your nose were paint Lauren 💖 Is it because you had your pink makeup not too long ago ? But yeah I like the Giraffe scene I've had feed a giraffe before even a horse🐎🦒 Also Lauren Ellie's mom was Ashley Johnson she's actually ellie herself the voice from the video game of last of us If you haven't played the game yet I haven't And I fully understood that Joel didn't want to lose LA cuz she's already like his daughter after lost his Sarah and what he did in the hospital shooting people even though they were trying to make a cure to make all this zombie disease go away but losing Elliot was not what Joel attended And I hope Joel did not just lie to Ellie After he'd just swear to her but hopefully They understand each other in future season 2 hopefully there isn't another season cause I want to see it right now but we all must wait !!!! Can't wait to see your reaction to Mandalorian 3×3 Lauren 💚 I also hope you see my comments too my friend !🥺
This show has honestly been probably the most emotional show I've ever watched
Ashley Johnson brought me to tears so quickly by perfectly portraying a mother who knows she only has a couple hours at the most to memorize every tiny detail of her daughter while fantasizing about the life she'll live as she grows up
Fantastic episode! Fantastic season! I'm a non game watcher as well!
This was actually the first time Ive seen Ashley Johnson in a none Critical Role show lol
If you've seen the first Avengers movie, then you have seen her in something else! She was the blonde girl Captain America saved during the New York attack who got kind of an odd amount of screen time for an unnamed character
This episode was really sad, but good! i cant wait for next season to come out!!
fun fact the actress who plays ellie has a youtube channel where she plays guitar and sings too shes really good the channel is called United Hope.
Joel had the parental instict to protect Ellie at all costs that Marlene apparently didn't. Regardless if she felt she was doing the right thing.
Yep, Marlene had a leader mindset whereas Joel had a parent mindset. I honestly don’t blame either of them for the choices they made because they both believed down to their core that they were making the correct choice
Every episode - treats and Easter eggs for game fans but still hits home for newcomers (game Ellie gave birth to show Ellie..wth!?)
This series deserves all the plaudits and awards, no one put a foot wrong all season.
..brace yourself for season 2.
Joel would not be broken again.
Why is there no reaction for episode 8?
I see it as Marlene wasn't strong enough to keep her promise to Ellie's mom, but Joel was. He took on the burden of the truth to let her live without having to carry it. She may have decided to sacrifice herself, but she's still just a kid, and I don't think a kid shouldn't be making such decisions. The doctor didn't know if it was going to work. So, she was just a test rat to test their theory.
LL Before Saving Private Ryan: "Yall some bitches. I don't cry over any TV show or movie."
LL for the last three months: 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Ellie is either family or cargo.
She can't be both. I say she's family. Joel shouldn't have lied to Ellie. However anyone vilifying Joel for saving Ellie is declaring that dispite everything Joel and Ellie went through together she is nothing more than Biological cargo to be dropped off at a lab. That's F-up people
It will make zero sense for HBO in season 2 to have Ellie more angry with Joel for saving her life, than with Marlene for denying her a choice and trying to kill her.
It makes no sense because Ellie spent the entire season 1 trying to get close to Joel. Like Ellie most of the audience wanted Joel to see her as family not cargo. On multiple occasions including episode 9 Ellie talked with him about a future after helping the Fireflies. Meaning she expected to live. When Joel finally see's Ellie like a daughter and rightfully protects her from being murdered. A portion of the audience suddenly decides Ellie only ever was Biological cargo. So how dare he save her life. Those people are heartless.
By the way science says Joel was right. The premise for killing Ellie is BS because Parasitic fungi infect the entire body except the brain. The Fungi isolates the brain from the body to control its host like a puppet.
Meaning Ellie would have died for nothing.
Joel the one man army, Jesus Christ it was about time we see him. Now, to be fair the show tell us from the beginning that a cure was no go, making a vaccine out of Ellie wasn’t happening and here is why, her condition couldn’t be passed on to someone else because of the unique circumstances of her birth. The game hinted that in notes and recordings scattered around the hospital that the fireflies tried to make a vaccine with people like Ellie before and didn’t worked out, and the most important fact of all, fungus are living organisms, there’s no way to create a vaccine for them. So this “dooming humanity” doesn’t apply here cuz humanity was already doomed to begin with, now the hope of Ellie, if she ever have kids, it would be the birth of humans born with the same mutation she has, and for the rest of us, well… we are the last of us.
FWIW, viruses are living organisms too.
@@andreduarte8372 technically no, they show some characteristics of living organisms but they aren’t classified as one, the reason for this is because they need a host, without one they cease to exist in a determined period. Fungus on the other hand are more complex, one of them ( I can’t remember the name at the back of my head despite being a nurse) can set up shop in your lungs, you’ll ended up with a partner for life and a prescription for the breathing problems you will have, also there’s no cure for that either. I know I left a lot of things out in my original statement, sometimes i don’t know how to explain myself but the interactions are good, stay safe out there and i hope you have a great day. 😅
@@jobanh7ify That fungus sounds remarkably like my ex... 😂
This is a really important take, and it surprises me that very few seem to care about it. We're told from the first minutes of the show, that if a fungus gains the capability to take over our bodies, we lose. It's confirmed again in the episode where we meet Ibu Ratna. She literally tells them that there IS no vaccine to be made, there IS no medicine, she tells them to bomb the city and the people in it because this is a fungus and it can't be killed the way we kill diseases. It's important to note that she's not some cold hearted military general who's used to making hard decisions about killing people. She's just a scientist, and she knows that we can't win.
Obviously the game makes this a lot clearer because of the background information we get while running around in the hospital, but I still think the show made it pretty clear.
Even now, in 2023, we don't have a vaccine against any fungus, and fungal infections are still difficult and time consuming to treat, and mostly consists of starving the organism. Even with 20 years of additional scientific research post the in universe breakout in 2003, we don't have a solution for this. The idea that some random doctors in a run down hospital with no equipment, no material and presumably no scientific background in this field would be able to invent a vaccine is laughable.
Ironically, if the Fireflies hadn't experimented on the few immune people they found, a new generation of cordyceps immune humans would've been far more likely. In a way, they might be more guilty of dooming humanity than Joel could ever be.
Yeah, I agree. I know Druckmann has since commented, even before the show adaptation, that the player should contemplate Joel's decision on the assumption that a vaccine would have definitely worked. And I think most people have been through these sorts of moral dilemma exercises, sometimes even in high school.
I don't think the narrative, as it was constructed, both here and in the game, really supported that assumption, and certainly not as strongly as Druckmann seems to have wanted us to be forced to decide between. It's just too reasonable that what the story itself has revealed to us that it's either really not that guaranteed or that there're even reasons why it's highly unlikely.
Well there's no guarantee that the fireflies' solution was going to work. If it didn't we could lose Ellie for nothing
Watching this reaction reminded me of The Mandalorian. Pedro's character Din Djarin fell in love with Grogu by the end of his bounty task. Even going back to save Grogu after turning him in. Just the same, Joel's job was to take Ellie to the Fireflies, which he did. But he loved Ellie as if she was his own and went back for her. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next season.
The fact that Ellie was born around lies it's so sad, then she was lied by FEDRA, then by Riley (and in the same time, she told the truth to her), then she lies to Tess, then she is lied by Joel (ep. 3), and so on. That thing that Maria said to her "the only people that can betray us, are the ones we trust" makes so much sense and is so sad. And also, I hope the debate doesn't go to whether the cure have worked or not, that's not the point of the show and the finale, Joel believed that the cure would've work, and still made the choice of don't lose another infant, which is realistic in the first place, he is a dad after all.
It's a hard (and fascinating) choice to think about it, the moral compass and everything, the fireflies lied to ellie to save the world, Joel lied to Ellie to justify his actions, Marlene being "selfish" by the greater good, Joel being selfish by the fact that he can't lose another daughter.
That lie is sad because it feels like a breaking point on their relationship, I can only imagine that it's gonna haunt them in the next season, and it's gonna be so sad
Most people Say Joel was selfish and probably but not for the reasons that people think ( honestly i didnt think much about it, Just ok, needed to be done)
A tiny spoiler from Game 2 that I don't like except this, Joel said "if i had The chance I Will do it all over again"
At that pont Ellie is furious, hating Joel. Living away, hardly talks to him but when she does he Tells her that . For me meant "hate me all You want, You are saved, You are alive thats all care"
She goes. Back to her house but didnt get mad for it, i thought she would.
I never played the games but we missed a huge Easter egg!! 11:19 you see a person running. I think this was the hidden Abby Easter egg from the game!
LoveLaurenn is crying so that means we are all crying today
For those who are soo emotional this was a heartbreaking finale
I was really surprise for everything that happend and i expect that the next season give us a new sensation
Love this 💛
It was pretty clear to me, well imho, that Ellie knows she wil likely die, but wants her life to have meaning for everyone else that she has lost, but can't tell Joel directly because he will stop her. That's why she needs to confront him in the last scene, to resolve the surprise that she is taken away by him. Joel says "I could not have been more ready" about the time he shot his face. Ellie is also ready.
A friend of mine felt the same way but I never got the impression that Ellie knew she would die. In an earlier episode they both seemed to assume that something could be synthesized from her blood (not talking about the "transfusion" with Sam). Ellie wanting her life to have meaning is definitely true, but it would still matter if she survived a cure being made
@@Drforrester31 Same here, not to mention that she literally tells Joel that she'll follow him anywhere once they're done, essentially saying that if he helps her finish this she's all his afterwards. Doesn't really sound like someone who thinks they'll die a few hours later.
In the end I don't think it matters whether or not Ellie would've agreed to the surgery, fact of the matter is that she wasn't given a choice, which means that Marlene wanted to murder her. If she was so sure Ellie would've said yes, she could've just asked.
In the game I just sat there and watched the giraffes for 5 minutes.
Was wondering when you were going to react to this season finale.
Has anyone ever fed a giraffe before!? I've fed fleas before, that's about it for exotic animals.
In someone's reaction I heard them say they had got the opportunity to have fed a giraffe before
When I was little, my mom took me to the zoo and when we got to the giraffe enclosure, there were a bunch of people feeding the giraffes, so I did the same thing; I grabbed a branch full of leaves and streched out my tiny, little arms. One of the giraffes bent down and started munching on the top of the branch I was holding. Then maybe not even 2 seconds later, a zoo employee walked over and snatched the branch from my hand and angrily threw it to the ground (he did the same thing to everyone else that was holding a branch). Anyway, I was so startled and terrified when he did it -- I was, like, 6 years old at the time or something like that -- and so overall, my personal experience with giraffe-feeding was not a positive one, haha! 😆
I just fed a giraffe at a friend's wedding in Palm Springs, spent pretty much the entire cocktail hour doing it. They do the wiggly tongue thing a lot, and their saliva is super sticky
Also gotta think, who killed Ellie's mom's best friend basically her sister and the only person who knew Ellie's birth story. crazy shit.
This has been a great series of reactions, and it's been fun to watch along with you. I personally side with Joel on this one, but that may be my bias coloring my opinion. I've been subjected to some of the worst behavior humans can inflict on each other, and I have a rather pessimistic view of humankind (we don't deserve to be saved, imo). The thing with the ending for me is that I don't think either Joel or Marlene was actually sure they were doing the right thing. Neither of them was willing to wait for Ellie to wake up and ask her opinion. And from someone who spent years fighting and arguing with adults over what was best for my body when I was considered too young to have a say, Ellie is more than old enough to decide for herself. Both of them were afraid she wouldn't give an answer they liked. It wasn't as if time was a factor. Civilization carried on in various forms for 20 years. Delaying the surgery for another day or two wouldn't have changed anything.
Of course, I'm trying to leave the game out of it and concentrate on the series in this case. In the game there are hidden bits of lore telling us that the Fireflies have tried this on multiple other immune people and failed, so it feels less like dooming the world and more unambiguously like saving Ellie from a guaranteed death sentence without purpose. The show leaves it a bit more ambiguous.
Props to Pedro and Bella for their work on this series. Both were absolutely fantastic and really deserve all the awards. I hope that Bella still plays the role of Ellie in season two (I've not played the second game, I just heard Ellie is older, and I hope they don't feel the need to cast an actress that looks more grown up).
Here is what a RUclips reactor who is a mother said about what Joel did, at the age of 14 Ellie is still a child and should not have to make that kind of decision until she is older. The reactor said she would take the responsibility of telling Ellie the lie but would tell her when she was old enough to make the decision for herself. She said she would except all the breach of trust it would entail so that Ellie would not have to feel responsible for any more death, that the mom would take on all of that herself.
Marlene and the fireflies were also being selfish and didn't have much regard for Ellie making the choice.
As much as you can say what Ellie might have done she wasn't given the choice.
Joel definitely did something wrong by lying but so did the fireflies.
I am sure many will disagree but the way I see it, Joel HAD to lie to Ellie. He felt he had to protect Ellie because if he would have told her the truth then one of 2 things were bound to happen. Either she accepted the lie and forgave Joel making her live with the guilt of withholding the cure to mankind in exchange for her life, or just the opposite, not forgiving Joel for what he did, breaking off their father, daughter relationship, and possibly losing another daughter as Ellie would try to return to Salt Lake City and sacrifice her life for the mere chance that the cure might be successful. Joel couldn't allow that to happen. In his mind he was protecting her from taking that chance. From again losing the one person that meant so much to him. Yes, Joel ultimately sacrificed himself for the sinns he committed, but at least he and Ellie got a chance to live those 4 to 5 years together in relative piece and enjoy a little happiness together. As a father that has lost my first child... I would have done the same!
Elle talking about the future and going with Joel, says to me she doesn't see a sacrifice on her part being an option. If Marlene and Joel are on opposite sides of a moral argument at least Joel's actions give Elle a choice and Marlene's didn't.
Joel killing all of the Fireflies gave Ellie a choice? Or did you mean when he demanded to see her?
@@Drforrester31 He made sure Ellie is alive to MAKE a choice. Marlene's way meant instant death, Joel's meant she lives on. If she chooses to sacrifice herself for science later on, that's a choice she has. I doubt the Firefly doctor is the only doctor left on the planet, provided that he was even a doctor in the first place. Now I haven't played the second game but I think I'd seen it mentioned if Ellie spends that entire game trying to find a doctor who can kill her for science, so I doubt that's the case.
Not gonna lie, I cried like a bi**h throughout most of this episode. Truly amazing show and an amazing reaction once again Lauren!
Is this the quietest I've heard you in a reaction? Can still see the reaction of your feelings and deep thoughts brought on by this episode. Ellie is too good a character to lose, I hope Bella soon returns to role and she is awarded for her astounding performances. Have you thought of playing the games?
Great reaction Lauren! It is true, Joel was acting in a selfish manner. The instinct of a parent to do anything to protect their child outweighs moral or ethical contradictions in the mind of the parent. And no, Joel is not her bio dad, but one thing the show seems to skip, that the game made clear; Joel and Ellie spent at least a year, mostly just the two of them fighting side by side to survive. The show seems to gloss over the amount of time they spent together. A parent who'd lost a child and an orphan. It's clear that there is only one way anyone is taking Ellie from him. World be damned. And part of that comes from his self perceived failure to protect Sarah. Was Joel wrong? From a wider perspective, yes clearly. However, Joel is this emotionally broken 💔 man who finally sees a reason to give a damn in Ellie. He hadn't even fully let his walls down with Tess, and it was clear there was more than a working partnership there. Prior to Ellie, Tess was the closest person to Joel, and once he found out her fate, though it clearly hurt him, he left her without real hesitation. He couldn't do that with Ellie. No way. Anyway, feel I'm starting to ramble. Thanks again Lauren! Much love! See you in the next one!
What pissed me off is that Marlene didn't even ask Ellie what she wanted so she pushed Joel's hand. I know he didn't ask Ellie either (kinda hard when she's knocked out) If Marlene would have asked Ellie she would have said yes but no just take away her Body autonomy and Conk her out for the greater good! (greater good my ass). I never trusted Marlene because Tommy quit the Fireflies for a reason he seen the way they were turning into another FEDRA and wanted to part of it and Marlene proved she's just as bad as FEDRA walking over people for hers and her merry band's own ends.
I'm so conflicted, because it feels like Marlene and Joel both had their own agenda and didn't want to ask Ellie if she wanted to sacrifice herself. Marlene didn't want to hear that Ellie might say no and Joel didn't want to hear that Ellie might say yes.
Think of it this way. Both fear stopped Marlene from asking Ellie and Joel from saying the truth; fear that Ellie would reject. Now ur just team Marlene; one person for the greater good or Joel; the one person is the whole world
@@dimsum6999 It does sound very simple when you say "one person for the greater good", because in theory I'd probably agree that if one person has to die to save millions, the maths are pretty easy. However if that one person was my child, I'd see the world burn. And I think that's exactly what TLOU gets at.
Where did episode 8 go?
BEEN A BUMPY FUN RIDE.
SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE BEAUTIFUL.
CLICKITY CLACK WATCH YOUR BACK.
IMO I agree 💯 with what Joel did, Ellie's life is more important than the off chance that they might be able to save a few people here and there. At this point civilization has already fallen and there's places that are already rebuilding so there's not much benefit in sacrificing her to save maybe a handful of people.
Talk about a morally ambiguous ending.
On one hand, I get it. Humanity took away what mattered most to Joel and after finding something that close in Ellie again, he wasn't going to let it happen again. I don't know what it's like to be a a father but I would like that someday and having to put myself in Joel's shoes, I'd probably do the same? Not to mention, the Fireflies weren’t giving her much of a choice in the matter.
But then again, neither was Joel. It was still a…..selflessly selfish choice that not only doomed the entire world but robbed Ellie of whatever hope she had left for it as well as the choice to choose. It might be refreshing to some people, seeing them finally be together in this "new beginning" but keep this in mind: it's based on a lie.
All of it.
I don’t have that good of an opinion of humanity in general. As individuals,yes but as a whole humanity is questionable as being worthy enough to survive. It was clear ,from the beginning that Joel is not a humanitarian. That’s why he was able to survive. He was,however,like Bill very protective of his loved ones. He made his decision to save Ellie instantly and let humanity take care of itself. Ellie was Marlene’s childhood best friend’s daughter and she promised to take care of her. What Elle’s mother meant by “ take care” was to nurture,love and protect. What Marlene did was not that. She turned her over to the enemy ,to be raised as a brutal federal policeman. Being a Firefly was much more important to Marlene than raising Ellie.She had no feelings for Ellie and after finding out she was immune,Marlene saw Ellie as nothing more than a specimen that may save humanity. Joel came to love Ellie and see her as a daughter. She was a fighter and fought hard to survive. She was more like Joel and Bill than his biological daughter had been. She was his soul daughter. The two of them were uniquely equipped to survive in this new world. Joel understood Ellie on a fundamental level more than Ellie understood herself. She was a young girl,who like all young teens had one foot in childhood and one foot in adulthood. She was fanciful and idealistic like all children but at the same time would do whatever was necessary to survive and protect her loved ones. She wanted to complete what she believed was her purpose,to save humanity but never expected it to mean to sacrifice her life. She had no idea what having a life meant. To have a family. To have a mate. To have her own children and be part of a community. To be amongst people who would care for her. Her experiences with having a life were very limited. They were ,also ,mostly the wrong experiences. So.. naturally, Ellie thought she was not worth that much. Joel knew Ellie was worth everything,the kind of person she was ,was rare and very valuable. He did understand that ,as a parent,he had to make the decision for her. It was his decision to make and he chose the right decision. He chose the right decision for Ellie,for himself and for life itself. To live is what life is all about. Live and keep struggling,keep moving forward and never give up. Maybe the doctors ,Marlene and whatever science they still had left could find a cure and maybe not. Ellie ‘s cells were an experiment for them. Harvesting them at the expense of Ellie’s life was worth it to them. It was not worth it to Joel and he was the one making the decision. I would do the same. Ellie’s was a life full of potential and she deserved the opportunity to live to her fullest potential and not have her life cut short for a cause that wasn’t even certain.
When I played the game, I was 100% with Joel in his choice to stop the surgery and save Ellie any way he had to. But when watching this episode. I was and still am so conflicted about it.
I wish joel hadnt lied to ellie….she’s too smart to not figure out the truth. I also wish he hadnt left the nurses alive because im wondering if they are gonna tell others who did that, in season 2.
Joel was right.
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Aparently Cordyceps grows like everywhere except the brain so either the show got it wrong or Marleen did. I like to think that she got it wrong and just had some quack doctor go along with her. and they were gonna murder Ellie for absolutely no reason.
They definitely grow in the brain… because it literally grows through the skulls of the infected.
@@DertBagg ants don't have skulls.
@@JustinWillisDevil240Z That's incorrect, when it gets ready to reproduce it actually does typically go through the ant's head, and as it changes the ant's behaviour drastically it's believed by scientists that it uses the brain in some way to get that effect. So, neither the show nor Marlene got it wrong.
What Joel did was technically selfish, but I honestly don't think he had a single thought about what he wanted. He loves Ellie, she's his child now. They were trying to kill her, he had to kill them first, that's it. Parental instinct carried him through that hospital rampage, not calculated thought.
Furthermore, him lying to protect her proves he loves her. Cause that when you know you're really a parent, when your child's survival is more important than how they feel about you. He knew that would likely break their relationship, he knew it would eventually lose her trust, but she's alive. That's all that matters to him.
Marleen screwed up. She should have let Ellie and Joel talk it out and it all would have worked out for them. But she made the wrong choice and put Joel in a no win situation. No reasonable person would think Joel was wrong to do what he did given the circumstances.
Exactly this. Most people, actually most animals of any species, will kill to protect their young. It's survival instinct, it's ingrained into our very beings. I doubt any of the people who think Joel is the bad guy would be willing to see their own children murdered for science.
Parents lie to protect our feelings, my parents didn't care much about me but even they lied to protect me. When I got older, they told me about things because I was ready to hear it. I'm not sure why anyone thinks that telling an already deeply traumatized 14-yearold with severe survivor's guilt that "hey btw, I killed a dozen people to save you" would be the right choice, but I can guarantee it's not.
The voice of Ellie has given birth to ELLIE!!!
*POETRY!!!*
Joel is the villain here in so many peoples eyes, gamers and tv show viewers alike.
I don't disagree with their logic.
He damned all chances for a cure, because he couldn't let go.
However, the Fireflies never gave Ellie the option of making the choice they were so sure she would make.
They couldn't risk it.
So they decided to kill One, to MAYBE, save many (They would never save everyone).
Ergo, by taking away Ellies choice, they are villains and murderers.
And I for one think the lesser evil is Joel.
Fun fact: The giraffe was a real giraffe, not cgi.
It looked very weird on my TV. I have to assume it was a result of the giraffe being against a green screen
@@Drforrester31 it was yeah, basically the entire set was a green screen, with just Pedro and Bella on a platform at the giraffe's head height.
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What Joel did totally didn't bother me.
this whole show is basically about how a man lost his humanity and how he regained it, but it also examines just how far he would go to protect someone he loves. a lot of people have questioned Joels actions and we only saw glimpses of just how far he would go, but it makes him become the worst version of himself to be the best version of himself
Will you ration john wick 3?
Joel acted selfishly, that's a fact. But to be true the Freflies never told her she was going to die so she had no chance to choose. So when she is forced to give her life there is only one option.
If the Fireflies are the best of humanity, humanity in TLoU should be extinct.
i give season one a 7.5 out of 10. I have to give Marlene props, she stood firm in her ideals and what she saw as the big picture. She went out giving herself 110% to trying to correct the horrible world everyone was living in. 💯
all the fans of the game said the second game went the wrong way soooo... will they go the wrong way ?
LOL, speaking as a huge fan of the games that is not even remotely true. That's just the opinion of the few who like to screech loudly
@@Drforrester31 Bingo.
Under Marlene, the Fireflies became what they were formed to fight against.