This crash was a replay of the 1987 Northwest Airlines MD-80 crash in Detroit that killed all but one person onboard. In the 21 years between the two accidents, no aviation entity nor agency took any action to prevent the Detroit accident from happening again. I was teaching MD-80 systems to mechanics at the time of the Detroit crash. As soon as I heard of the circumstances of the crash, I knew exactly which circuit breaker was likely left open, causing the takeoff warning system to fail to operate as designed. I personally blamed the crew, though, for not checking the flaps before takeoff, checklists and warning systems aside. During a discussion of the accident, I believe I told one class of trainees that no airplane was going to crash flaps up if I was in the cockpit, because I watched the crew closely and monitored all the systems when traveling in the cockpit jumpseat. Not too long after that, a full passenger compartment put me in the cockpit of an MD-80 attempting an early-morning departure from an airport in Montana. Even though it was still September, there was frost on the wings, so the airplane had to be deiced. By the time that was done, our departure was delayed, and things were not going smoothly. Finally we taxied to the runway, the captain asked if all was ready, the first officer assented, and the throttles were advanced for takeoff. Immediately the takeoff warning horn sounded, with the voice annunciation FUH-LAPS used on the MD-80. The captain slammed the throttles back, and all three of us looked in horror at the flap indicator. The flaps were full up. If that circuit breaker had been out, or the takeoff warning system had otherwise failed, we likely would have crashed immediately after takeoff. And that's how I learned that humans make mistakes.
Hopelessand Forlorn Thanks for that recounting, it's haunting but you'd hope that these incidents wake up pilots in future flights to double and triple check such things.
I actually flew on that very same plane with my family a month before the crash in a flight from Mallorca to Barcelona. Apparently it already had maintenance issues at that time because our flight was delayed for like 7 hours. Some of the passengers even sued Spanair. Remembering all of this makes one think about everything, and how lucky we were that the captain and officers did a good job during takeoff. Thanks for the video man, keep it up.
I flew to Gran Canaria that day. We arived at the time when it was clear that Spanair Flight 5022 had crashed in Madrid. I will never forget that ghostly mood in the arrivals area and the hopeless expressions in the faces of the people waiting for their families and friends to arive.
Shouldn't be a pilot unless you've got the patience of a saint. Too many lives in their hands to take shortcuts with checklists just because they're an hour late.
had to be something about the supervisors who are on the ground and dont care much about anything else other then ..on time and stacking planes ..rem how the Titanic sank..had to keep some schedule and why it was speeding through a area known for icebergs...
Exactly what I was thinking....u could actually feel his lack of patience as he wanted to get going....U MUST BE FOCUSED LIKE A HAWK. Too many people are depending on you.
Don't blame the pilots. It's the company the one that shouldn't be operating if they can't afford the costs of doing it 100% safely. The delay wasn't the pilots' fault and yet they were afraid of getting fired. That's terrible management and terrible company practices/culture. Had the pilots not been under that pressure, none of this would have happened.
As with most disasters it is a combination of little problems - a stuck contact, an interrupted checklist - that on their own would be trivial but combined create an unforeseeable emergency that overwhelms the aircraft's redundant systems and the crew's ability to prevent a crash that kills hundreds.
Ultimately it falls back on the pilots IMO, not completing that checklist. I understand they were rushed, but damn that was a pretty basic error not setting the flaps.
And dont forget the maintenance crew was unable to resolve the malfunctioning censor. And I suppose the designers of the plane did not think the odds were high enough that all these particular holes in the the cheese would ever line up and cause such a tradegy. Also the training probably did not cover this possibility for the same reason. I'm not sure I understand why giving priority to knowledge about anything that could cause the flaps warning to fail is not focused on front and center.
It makes sense for them to overlook something. Surely the stress of waiting so long, the plane roasting on the runway, and all of the interruptions in their routine would be ripe to cause something to go wrong. The maintenance crew should have just grounded the plane. No one could have predicted this error, though.
T/O flaps are no joke on airliners. In the ERJ175, we print out the takeoff data from ACARS and in the after start checklist, I have to physically point to the flap setting on the paper and then point to the flap setting on the EICAS screen to confirm they match and the captain verifies. We also have a takeoff config button that is pressed during the before takeoff checklist that verifies this as well.
When I saw the crash animation I was like “oh, well that was pretty soft so this should be ok. Oh shit there’s a lake. And there goes the plane. Dammit”
I was in an MD-80 that hit the brakes about half way into our take off roll. Someone in the tower had seen that the flaps were retracted, the Captain said over the intercom that there was a faulty indicator light in the cockpit. We went back to the gate and switched planes. I was 10 years old, flying by myself (Mom worked for American). I don't know if indicator story is what really happened or pilot error, but you hear about this one way too often. Came close that day.
Why on earth would any engineer ever design something as important as the takeoff configuration alarm to share a relay, circuit, etc. with anything else?
Because those engineers assume that the airline won't take shortcuts on maintenance procedures, like they are legally required to. But we can see how many times accidents have happened as a direct result of airlines cutting corners and pennies in their mtx departments. They also go off the assumption that the mechanics working on these planes are properly trained and not braindead, and both of those are sadly often not true.
Probably to share a relay that's powering a purely background function, with one that's active/indicated. If the maintenance crew knew what they were doing, they'd have checked the relay. If the flight crew knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have taken off at all until that temperature gauge worked, because they're supposed to know there's a critical safety system on the same power and the misindicating gauge is a backend to telling them something's broken. If the warning system had it's own relay and that relay was stuck, you'd never get the warning and there's no indication that the system is down.
it was a recipe for a disaster ,but by only because of a maintenance crew without the experience of how important the relay really was,..it would be like a boat designed by engineers and the guy that`s building the boat decides he doesn't think much of how to put it together following the strict instructions,..a good design is where something cant be over ridded ...reminds me of the story of the LOCK OUT TAG OUT,..where the mechanic shut off the power to the machine he was working on,..not knowing that that same circuit breaker also sent power to another blender ,..so while he was inside cleaning or fixing something,..the other guy without the power came along and flipped the switch back on...and that was it for the first guy ,lets just say he was put though a blender...one of those walk in huge blender bowls.
@@thecoondog56 My dad is a master electrician. He used to keep a padlock and key with him, so that when he switched power off, he could lock the board and nobody else could get in. Started doing that because even with a warning notice that he was working on the lines, he had some idiot (more than once :P) put the switches back up.
I remember a BBC article at the time which had quality graphics similar to it, detail how the damage was dealt, and the subsequent events. I'll bet it's there.
It’s amazing how many things one thing can affect. I lost an air temp probe on my aircraft. Other than some extraneous information like Still Air Temp, Ram Air Temp, and ISA Deviation I didn’t notice anything except an -ALTS- on the rumour board above the flight director. No instrument flags, no nothing. I take off.. and select FLC, HDG, AP on the flight guidance panel and the rumour board shows -HDG- AP -FLC>160- -ALTS- and my flight director disappeared. We get cleared to the on course and my FO punches it up in the FMS and the HSI is pointing about 40 degrees away from where it was supposed to be. At this point, we still have no flags or GPS errors and the autopilot is still flying the aircraft, but only in ROLL PITCH because it’s not maintaining airspeed. I turn off the autopilot, and hand fly it back to an ILS 100 feet above minimums on raw data and we get the mechanics to look at it. Going through the fault database it said Air Data Computer 1 had failed. No ADC flag popped up. Going further it was an Air Temp Probe fail. And sure enough one little wire had broken off of it.. depriving the ADC of the temp it needed to compute TAS, the information for the flight director and autopilot to fly the aircraft, and the GPS track data that the Attitude Heading Reference System could interpret.
These videos you are making are incredible. As a frequent flier I always assumed any error midflight would render the plane hopeless but apparently the experience of the pilots makes the biggest difference in survival. I hope you are aware that the weird and asinine comments you see on here come from the crazy part of the internet and should be ignored. Any advice would be to include more voice recordings from the cockpit to help make some of these videos stand out from each other. Thank you for the knowledge and entertainment
The low number of fatalities among US carriers over the last few years worries me... as maintenance and safety margins will probably be lowered to maximize profits until the disaster threshold is reached. Human nature/corporate greed.
We have the same problem in IT. If you work 60 hours weeks to make sure that everything works flawlessly, then the company is obviously paying too much for staff and equipment. I mean, no problems, ever, right? That's why sometimes you have to let a non-essential failure happen, so the sociopaths at the top see that you are doing work, and not just screwing around.
The D.C.-9 is the-last aircraft you would try to fly without having your flaps fully extended. The wings are so small you have little hope of rising more than 50 feet off the ground. The Detroit DC-9 Northwest crash was a perfect example. I hate the damn thing but guys who have flown them for years are in love with the beast.
This plane actually almost killed deadmau5. He and his manager were scheduled on 5022 but they missed boarding by a few seconds. He said he stood there, watching the plane take off, and saw it go careening down into the ground. That's gotta be surreal
And you can say most of that human error is a lack of diligence from the maintenance to the flight crew. So many of these accident reviews show how hurrying up has killed.
Important safety tip: If you're on a plane and see a group of mechanics looking at an engine and scratching their heads, may want to get off and rebook. It's shocking how many times pilots forget the most basic thing: flaps and slats. It's like trying to drive a car and not putting it in DRIVE.
I can imagine there were at least a few knowledgeable people in window seats who could have looked to see that the plane was not properly configured for takeoff.
Passengers KNEW they were going down and gonna Crash...And the Few people that Survived got to Witness the Aftermath and seeing so many DEAD Bodies around them...Looking at the Plane in PIECES and on Fire...What a sick experience to be involved in
The engineers and management at MD should have never put a safety oversight system on the same circuit with basic engine instrumentation. The number of design errors in MD aircraft are epic. It's amazing even more haven't crashed. Yes there was plenty of human error in this incident. But the fact remains had the warning system worked this never would have happened. Just like it's common sense you don't wire the air bags in a car to the cigarette lighter. Safety systems should be as independent and robust as possible. The world is a better place as more crappy MD planes are retired before they kill even more people.
well it's easy to understand that after the crashes but back in the day it wasnt so clear to everybody; fortunately, those early accidents helped improve design and make todays flight mucho more safe
Such a chame, pilots could avoid the acident! This accident exposed how important is pay atention to check list and routines, and maintenence with eletrical or all systems are in aviation! So many lives taken in must to be a simple flight! R.I.P. all victims and I hope in not be in vain!! Thank you X Pilot for another history and "simulation" better could be, all your videos I'm send to or tell about for a great chief of maintanence that had a major YT channel here in Brazil and he is making tecnical and specifiyng the causes and final relatory about some of this trageties!! Well, if the aviation is being more and more safety, we just can honor so many people that lost lives because the mistakes, human or about machines! Thank you anyways! :// ;))
Aviation Spirit they have both, it’s usually the actual stall horn, but there’s a system in MD80s that allow for both to happen, the stick shaker will go off when the aircraft is about to stall, then the horn when it is extremely close or is stalling.
Nice stuff man. Also did you hear about the South West flight that had an engine explode on them like 2 days ago? If you can dig up enough information this early after the incident that would be a great video.
For what it's worth, the aircraft was not completely destroyed. It's reconstructed wreckage is still held by the FBI in the same hangar and condition of the NTSB re-assembly - as of 2018.
X, thank you for sharing all of these aircraft crashes, it sure makes one realize how just one missed checklist item, can be disastrous. What flight sim do you use to make these videos?
Do you have any information to make a video of the crash that killed the basketball team from Evansville, Indiana, before 1971. I don't remember the year exactly, but I lived in Illinois 40 miles away from Evansville when it happened. The airport there was the one I would fly in and out of to connect to St. Louis to make a couple of trips to Los Angeles. Thanks for your videos.
Yep, another tragedy that was totally preventable. Mechanical problems and still ok'd to fly and an incompetent F/O. These videos have taught me two things before my next flight. Check the flight history of the plane and credentials of the crew.
Great video I saw the aftermath smoke of this when I was about 11 or 12 waiting for a connection flight in the terminal so its nice to know what happened I was hoping you'd done this flight after watching the 9/11 ones and here it thanks
Redundancies are there for a reason. If something isn't working and/or you can't even fucking figure out why it is the way it is, assume that it isn't safe. Even if it's that the damn food onboard isn't as warm as usual or something idc. If it's on a checklist, that means it's important and that you aren't trusted to get it right every time unless you go through item by item- Every time. If you need to redo a checklist, assume it's your first time doing it. This goes for anything, any job, any task. Airlines and airplanes need to be efficient, pilots and mechanics only concern should be safety.
The circuit breaker was disconnected to remove the alarm from the temperature probe, it was a common practice, so as not to waste time, since time was money, but they did not know that they also removed the TOGA power supply, an alarm that warns of the wrong configuration of flaps on takeoff... Subsequently the maintenance was negligent, the pilots were negligent, and the director was negligent in pressuring the maintenance technicians to fudge to eliminate the data from the RAT temperature probe and not delay the flight, since that if it did not take off, the money did not enter. Unfortunately, in the investigative commissions, several corrupt political groups covered up the whole truth, and blamed all their responsibility on the dead pilots so that no one would go to prison. SPANAIR. It is for this reason that my country cannot have nuclear power plants... all managers are negligent, until the end... The plane crashed due to the pilots' distraction by not using flaps on takeoff, since they began to distracted by non-work conversations, the TOGA alarm was turned off, and the terrible reaction and late response of the emergency teams were decisive after the catastrophe.
It's only a temperature probe. We'll just shut it off. The plane is safe to fly. I suggest that EVERY device on a plane is necessary for it to be fully safe. And why did two different devices share the same relay?
Out of theory, if the pilots chose to just drop-throttle, and crash the plane early. Would it be safer than attempting to just fight through it? Not a pilot, so don't really no a lot. Just curious
I’m not a pilot but wouldn’t extending the flaps on takeoff be one of the MOST fundamental things to check?? I mean, after you get into a car the next thing you do is shut the door, right?? It’s just one of those fundamental things you do before driving done the road.🧐
The mechanics said the plane is safe to fly, while it wasn't. They basically did not repair one of the issues that involved the plane's warning system. I really hate that such plane disasters happen, but at the same time, I am glad that I am able to understand what went wrong in these planes.
Dudee, my dad almost went in that plane, but my mom said to him to go to Madrid with him and stay the weekend, if he went on that plane he would probably died! :(
I believe there is a pre-takeoff check list that should have included flaps and slats. Again, we find the pilots not following company procedure . I understand that with the long delay they were anxious to take off but there is no excuse for not running the checklist and following company procedures. When lives are at stake, there is no acceptable excuse for no following prescribed procedures!
From my knowledge, a plane on takeoff needs sufficent lift and speed to takeoff. V1 is the speed needed to takeoff, however if the flaps or slats (if there is) are not in the correct configuration, the plane will not have sufficent lift to takeoff and climb. A stall occurred as the wings did not generate enough lift and the plane began falling back down. Once the plane has taken off and has sufficent speed, the flaps are not needed and so are retracted as the wings will generate enough lift.
if this was an airbus it wouldnt crash, the computer on that plane gives the final order when to takeoff. It wont allow the plane to fly unless everything is in proper configuration. Pilots hate it for its demanding ways.
Ozan I can believe it. Conversely Air France 330 downed in Atlantic would have survived if it was a Boeing. But why would BA 38 have been fatal if in an Airbus?
Senors failed, then pilots failed. Fucking basics. Slats and flaps. There are checklists for a reason. Run through them, never mind if your superior decides to interrupt you. Don't proceed until the checklist is fucking checked!
Anyone else become addicted to these excellent aircraft videos?
I'm totally addicted and now afraid to fly.
i could spend 1 hour watching Mayday, or i could just spend 10 minutes watching this and basically get the same experience
Anybody else having nightmares??🤨
I just told my husband this. I only found these after following the recent Ethiopian Max 8 incident 😬
@@cnlsdad I feel the same way! Their mechanic make to many mistake!
I knew it was bad when I read, “They assume that even with the temperature gauge, the aircraft is still safe to fly.”
Yeah well that wasn't the issue
Well they were right though, it was indeed safe to fly, but not by morons that's for sure.
If the probe was replaced and functioned as it should have then the pilots would have heard the audible alarm indicating improper takeoff calibrations
@@majohnson9480 That was one of the many reasons the accidents happened, read domino effect in safety or the swiss cheese
This crash was a replay of the 1987 Northwest Airlines MD-80 crash in Detroit that killed all but one person onboard. In the 21 years between the two accidents, no aviation entity nor agency took any action to prevent the Detroit accident from happening again. I was teaching MD-80 systems to mechanics at the time of the Detroit crash. As soon as I heard of the circumstances of the crash, I knew exactly which circuit breaker was likely left open, causing the takeoff warning system to fail to operate as designed. I personally blamed the crew, though, for not checking the flaps before takeoff, checklists and warning systems aside. During a discussion of the accident, I believe I told one class of trainees that no airplane was going to crash flaps up if I was in the cockpit, because I watched the crew closely and monitored all the systems when traveling in the cockpit jumpseat. Not too long after that, a full passenger compartment put me in the cockpit of an MD-80 attempting an early-morning departure from an airport in Montana. Even though it was still September, there was frost on the wings, so the airplane had to be deiced. By the time that was done, our departure was delayed, and things were not going smoothly. Finally we taxied to the runway, the captain asked if all was ready, the first officer assented, and the throttles were advanced for takeoff. Immediately the takeoff warning horn sounded, with the voice annunciation FUH-LAPS used on the MD-80. The captain slammed the throttles back, and all three of us looked in horror at the flap indicator. The flaps were full up. If that circuit breaker had been out, or the takeoff warning system had otherwise failed, we likely would have crashed immediately after takeoff. And that's how I learned that humans make mistakes.
Hopelessand Forlorn
Thanks for that recounting, it's haunting but you'd hope that these incidents wake up pilots in future flights to double and triple check such things.
Hopelessand Forlorn qqq
and basically why you have a checklists and procedure for taking off
seriously ..MD-80..didnt they stop flying that machine in cold freezing temps areas...md -80 bad boot bad plane for flying in the cold temps
Great read...now why did this plane bank so severely? Did one of the engines also fail?
I actually flew on that very same plane with my family a month before the crash in a flight from Mallorca to Barcelona. Apparently it already had maintenance issues at that time because our flight was delayed for like 7 hours. Some of the passengers even sued Spanair. Remembering all of this makes one think about everything, and how lucky we were that the captain and officers did a good job during takeoff. Thanks for the video man, keep it up.
I also flew on it from Madrid to Lanzarote sometime between 2005-2007. The pilot did erratic and violent moves the whole flight, very uncomfy ride.
I flew to Gran Canaria that day. We arived at the time when it was clear that Spanair Flight 5022 had crashed in Madrid. I will never forget that ghostly mood in the arrivals area and the hopeless expressions in the faces of the people waiting for their families and friends to arive.
boarder904 LOL
Lavern NO U
Joe Buck Yourself
Sicko!
Lavern Dude is a psychopath, there's a lot of them.
boarder904 my flight was the one before the crash, didn’t know anything had happened till I got back to London, I hate flying
Shouldn't be a pilot unless you've got the patience of a saint. Too many lives in their hands to take shortcuts with checklists just because they're an hour late.
had to be something about the supervisors who are on the ground and dont care much about anything else other then ..on time and stacking planes ..rem how the Titanic sank..had to keep some schedule and why it was speeding through a area known for icebergs...
Exactly what I was thinking....u could actually feel his lack of patience as he wanted to get going....U MUST BE FOCUSED LIKE A HAWK. Too many people are depending on you.
Don't blame the pilots. It's the company the one that shouldn't be operating if they can't afford the costs of doing it 100% safely. The delay wasn't the pilots' fault and yet they were afraid of getting fired. That's terrible management and terrible company practices/culture. Had the pilots not been under that pressure, none of this would have happened.
Pilots are the final sayers of what happens...they are to blame metafora.
You go be a saint with pay ridiculously low for the effort put in.
You know you're getting old when 30 something's sound too young to be piloting commercial aircraft.
As with most disasters it is a combination of little problems - a stuck contact, an interrupted checklist - that on their own would be trivial but combined create an unforeseeable emergency that overwhelms the aircraft's redundant systems and the crew's ability to prevent a crash that kills hundreds.
Ultimately it falls back on the pilots IMO, not completing that checklist. I understand they were rushed, but damn that was a pretty basic error not setting the flaps.
And dont forget the maintenance crew was unable to resolve the malfunctioning censor. And I suppose the designers of the plane did not think the odds were high enough that all these particular holes in the the cheese would ever line up and cause such a tradegy. Also the training probably did not cover this possibility for the same reason. I'm not sure I understand why giving priority to knowledge about anything that could cause the flaps warning to fail is not focused on front and center.
It makes sense for them to overlook something. Surely the stress of waiting so long, the plane roasting on the runway, and all of the interruptions in their routine would be ripe to cause something to go wrong. The maintenance crew should have just grounded the plane. No one could have predicted this error, though.
absolutely,..since you cant talk off without them engaged
Except these kind of problems happened just over 21 years before this accident. What, did we learn nothing?
T/O flaps are no joke on airliners. In the ERJ175, we print out the takeoff data from ACARS and in the after start checklist, I have to physically point to the flap setting on the paper and then point to the flap setting on the EICAS screen to confirm they match and the captain verifies. We also have a takeoff config button that is pressed during the before takeoff checklist that verifies this as well.
Deadmau5 missed this flight because there were 2 flights close to each other. He could have died if he wasn't late.
That's crazy. Seth MacFarlane has him beat with his 9/11 near miss but still..Deadmou5 is a lucky sob
Glad they checked the aircon a couple of times.
HAHA!
When I saw the crash animation I was like “oh, well that was pretty soft so this should be ok. Oh shit there’s a lake. And there goes the plane. Dammit”
I was in an MD-80 that hit the brakes about half way into our take off roll. Someone in the tower had seen that the flaps were retracted, the Captain said over the intercom that there was a faulty indicator light in the cockpit. We went back to the gate and switched planes. I was 10 years old, flying by myself (Mom worked for American). I don't know if indicator story is what really happened or pilot error, but you hear about this one way too often. Came close that day.
god your videos are so incredibly addicting
cant wait for when you play around with the new flight sim coming out
Why on earth would any engineer ever design something as important as the takeoff configuration alarm to share a relay, circuit, etc. with anything else?
Because those engineers assume that the airline won't take shortcuts on maintenance procedures, like they are legally required to. But we can see how many times accidents have happened as a direct result of airlines cutting corners and pennies in their mtx departments.
They also go off the assumption that the mechanics working on these planes are properly trained and not braindead, and both of those are sadly often not true.
Probably to share a relay that's powering a purely background function, with one that's active/indicated.
If the maintenance crew knew what they were doing, they'd have checked the relay. If the flight crew knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have taken off at all until that temperature gauge worked, because they're supposed to know there's a critical safety system on the same power and the misindicating gauge is a backend to telling them something's broken.
If the warning system had it's own relay and that relay was stuck, you'd never get the warning and there's no indication that the system is down.
it was a recipe for a disaster ,but by only because of a maintenance crew without the experience of how important the relay really was,..it would be like a boat designed by engineers and the guy that`s building the boat decides he doesn't think much of how to put it together following the strict instructions,..a good design is where something cant be over ridded ...reminds me of the story of the LOCK OUT TAG OUT,..where the mechanic shut off the power to the machine he was working on,..not knowing that that same circuit breaker also sent power to another blender ,..so while he was inside cleaning or fixing something,..the other guy without the power came along and flipped the switch back on...and that was it for the first guy ,lets just say he was put though a blender...one of those walk in huge blender bowls.
Because there are thousands of such systems to design and maintain. How about talk about the amazing fact that the rest worked flawlessly.
@@thecoondog56 My dad is a master electrician. He used to keep a padlock and key with him, so that when he switched power off, he could lock the board and nobody else could get in. Started doing that because even with a warning notice that he was working on the lines, he had some idiot (more than once :P) put the switches back up.
I'd be interested if it could be displayed if the pilots are among the survivors for these crashes.
Amazing the amount of time and effort put into these videos. I definite subscription. Cheers
@Gianluca Badejo This isn't X-Plane though, it's Prepar3D.
@Gianluca Badejo Also how do you copy something as basic as accident recreation? These are in a pretty simple format...
Spectacular Videos, Cant Stop Watching Them!
These MD 80's were flying coffins
actually the MD-80s were pretty good when it came to safety.
No, not really.
I always enjoy your videos. They are very interesting. I like the realistic thumbnails a lot!
The thumbnails are stills from the show "Air Crash Investigation", or "Mayday" to Yanks.
Cat's Evidence Locker I knew that, but how did he get the new thumbnail for MH17?
I remember a BBC article at the time which had quality graphics similar to it, detail how the damage was dealt, and the subsequent events. I'll bet it's there.
air crash investigation s1804 "deadly airspace" is where he got the new thumbnail mh17 thank me later nathan.
It’s amazing how many things one thing can affect.
I lost an air temp probe on my aircraft. Other than some extraneous information like Still Air Temp, Ram Air Temp, and ISA Deviation I didn’t notice anything except an -ALTS- on the rumour board above the flight director. No instrument flags, no nothing.
I take off.. and select FLC, HDG, AP on the flight guidance panel and the rumour board shows -HDG- AP -FLC>160- -ALTS- and my flight director disappeared. We get cleared to the on course and my FO punches it up in the FMS and the HSI is pointing about 40 degrees away from where it was supposed to be.
At this point, we still have no flags or GPS errors and the autopilot is still flying the aircraft, but only in ROLL PITCH because it’s not maintaining airspeed.
I turn off the autopilot, and hand fly it back to an ILS 100 feet above minimums on raw data and we get the mechanics to look at it.
Going through the fault database it said Air Data Computer 1 had failed. No ADC flag popped up.
Going further it was an Air Temp Probe fail. And sure enough one little wire had broken off of it.. depriving the ADC of the temp it needed to compute TAS, the information for the flight director and autopilot to fly the aircraft, and the GPS track data that the Attitude Heading Reference System could interpret.
Thanks a lot for clarifying this - I remember the accident and never understood the cause - Now i do. Thanks again.
Glad you mentioned aircraft was destroyed,I was unsure.
I love your videos keep doing! Good job!
Edit:Thanks for heart!
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These videos you are making are incredible. As a frequent flier I always assumed any error midflight would render the plane hopeless but apparently the experience of the pilots makes the biggest difference in survival. I hope you are aware that the weird and asinine comments you see on here come from the crazy part of the internet and should be ignored. Any advice would be to include more voice recordings from the cockpit to help make some of these videos stand out from each other. Thank you for the knowledge and entertainment
Nice Video X, very detailed descriptions and great FS footage to boot
The low number of fatalities among US carriers over the last few years worries me... as maintenance and safety margins will probably be lowered to maximize profits until the disaster threshold is reached. Human nature/corporate greed.
We have the same problem in IT. If you work 60 hours weeks to make sure that everything works flawlessly, then the company is obviously paying too much for staff and equipment. I mean, no problems, ever, right? That's why sometimes you have to let a non-essential failure happen, so the sociopaths at the top see that you are doing work, and not just screwing around.
right....I sure do wish there would be more fatalities.......(what?)
Stoopppopp you’re making to much sense and it’s scaring me..
Latter, not the former.
Always someone out there who complains about a near perfect safety record of US airlines.
Your videos are now my new drug! Thanks!
The D.C.-9 is the-last aircraft you would try to fly without having your flaps fully extended. The wings are so small you have little hope of rising more than 50 feet off the ground. The Detroit DC-9 Northwest crash was a perfect example. I hate the damn thing but guys who have flown them for years are in love with the beast.
Nice, you just earned a subscriber brother.
Thanks, oh and BTW do you use a yoke stick or a mouse yoke?
I think a yoke stick. Not 100% sure on that tho
Sorry for late comment, but thanks for letting me know. Oh and BTW thanks for the likes.
no problem
Sam tyler it’s a yoke.
Love these videos
I knew that I made a good choice following X on Instagram. Also great Job!
X Pilot your welcome :D
Fantastic and tragic as always
This plane actually almost killed deadmau5. He and his manager were scheduled on 5022 but they missed boarding by a few seconds. He said he stood there, watching the plane take off, and saw it go careening down into the ground. That's gotta be surreal
Thank so much for making this video
I used to be very afraid of airplane malfunctions, but I realize now that most aircraft disasters are caused by human error more than anything else :/
And you can say most of that human error is a lack of diligence from the maintenance to the flight crew. So many of these accident reviews show how hurrying up has killed.
of course. the airpline itself is human made, its components are human made, its maintenance is human made. all human mistake if anything happen.
yes they are.
That makes it even more terrifying
Omg I found this sad and frightening to watch blessings to everyone; 🌹🥀💐
Best channel on flight.
I can’t imagine having to sit through the aggravation of having a delayed flight only to immediately be killed after takeoff.
Important safety tip: If you're on a plane and see a group of mechanics looking at an engine and scratching their heads, may want to get off and rebook.
It's shocking how many times pilots forget the most basic thing: flaps and slats. It's like trying to drive a car and not putting it in DRIVE.
I can imagine there were at least a few knowledgeable people in window seats who could have looked to see that the plane was not properly configured for takeoff.
Passengers KNEW they were going down and gonna Crash...And the Few people that Survived got to Witness the Aftermath and seeing so many DEAD Bodies around them...Looking at the Plane in PIECES and on Fire...What a sick experience to be involved in
The engineers and management at MD should have never put a safety oversight system on the same circuit with basic engine instrumentation. The number of design errors in MD aircraft are epic. It's amazing even more haven't crashed. Yes there was plenty of human error in this incident. But the fact remains had the warning system worked this never would have happened. Just like it's common sense you don't wire the air bags in a car to the cigarette lighter. Safety systems should be as independent and robust as possible. The world is a better place as more crappy MD planes are retired before they kill even more people.
well it's easy to understand that after the crashes but back in the day it wasnt so clear to everybody; fortunately, those early accidents helped improve design and make todays flight mucho more safe
But still come on!!!!! These are WELL PAID >>>>>>>>>PROFESSIONALS>>>>>> they sure didn't act like it. People die when stupid mistakes like this occur.
Agreed. The list of piss poor designs from MD is a long one. Boeing isn't far behind. Give me Airbus any day.
The MD80 was ranked the 2nd safest plane in the skies in 2008.
@@themancuniancandidate2744 Airbus is less safe than either MD or Boeing, but don't let facts upset you
Such a chame, pilots could avoid the acident! This accident exposed how important is pay atention to check list and routines, and maintenence with eletrical or all systems are in aviation! So many lives taken in must to be a simple flight! R.I.P. all victims and I hope in not be in vain!! Thank you X Pilot for another history and "simulation" better could be, all your videos I'm send to or tell about for a great chief of maintanence that had a major YT channel here in Brazil and he is making tecnical and specifiyng the causes and final relatory about some of this trageties!! Well, if the aviation is being more and more safety, we just can honor so many people that lost lives because the mistakes, human or about machines! Thank you anyways! :// ;))
I like how you added in the CVR.
Huge fan of your work.
Okay what is the real Stall sound of a MD80? FS2004 uses the Stickshaker, XP11 and P3D both use a different sound.
Btw great video :)
Aviation Spirit they have both, it’s usually the actual stall horn, but there’s a system in MD80s that allow for both to happen, the stick shaker will go off when the aircraft is about to stall, then the horn when it is extremely close or is stalling.
Flyingboeing787 ok thx
I was just watching your vids and I just found this and I realized it is new
Nice stuff man. Also did you hear about the South West flight that had an engine explode on them like 2 days ago? If you can dig up enough information this early after the incident that would be a great video.
For what it's worth, the aircraft was not completely destroyed. It's reconstructed wreckage is still held by the FBI in the same hangar and condition of the NTSB re-assembly - as of 2018.
Great job my man. Subbed.
Im a bad flyer as is why am i watching these😣 brilliantly done tho thanks👏
X, thank you for sharing all of these aircraft crashes, it sure makes one realize how just one missed checklist item, can be disastrous. What flight sim do you use to make these videos?
i've flown in one of those planes. Sat in the way back right next to the jet engine. Loudest most unpleasant flight I've ever been on.
flew to Corfu one of these same problem very noisy
This video should feature the complete voice recording
Do you have any information to make a video of the crash that killed the basketball team from Evansville, Indiana, before 1971. I don't remember the year exactly, but I lived in Illinois 40 miles away from Evansville when it happened. The airport there was the one I would fly in and out of to connect to St. Louis to make a couple of trips to Los Angeles. Thanks for your videos.
Yep, another tragedy that was totally preventable. Mechanical problems and still ok'd to fly and an incompetent F/O. These videos have taught me two things before my next flight. Check the flight history of the plane and credentials of the crew.
Have to blame Capt also...he was just too damn anxious to get the flight in the air.
Northwest Airlines Flight 255.
Look it up.
After watching many of these I wonder how I ever made it to 55. Not just plane crashes but also just stories in the news.
Bruh, imagine your flight being delayed then dying 30 second into flight 🤦♂️
How do you create those realistic looking crash scenes? That's insanely well made.
misterioes89 he got it from air crash investigation.
Why that aircraft is registered as OY-KHE? It supossed as EC-HFP.
I have never flown but somehow knew those flaps were the cause for the stall.
Great video I saw the aftermath smoke of this when I was about 11 or 12 waiting for a connection flight in the terminal so its nice to know what happened I was hoping you'd done this flight after watching the 9/11 ones and here it thanks
Redundancies are there for a reason. If something isn't working and/or you can't even fucking figure out why it is the way it is, assume that it isn't safe. Even if it's that the damn food onboard isn't as warm as usual or something idc.
If it's on a checklist, that means it's important and that you aren't trusted to get it right every time unless you go through item by item- Every time. If you need to redo a checklist, assume it's your first time doing it. This goes for anything, any job, any task. Airlines and airplanes need to be efficient, pilots and mechanics only concern should be safety.
WHY doesn't the airplane systems simply refuse to take off if the configuration isn't set properly???
deadmau5 was supposed to be on that flight, got to the gate just as they were about to push back too
FadedBlanco Good thing he didn’t get on.
Where did you get the news?
Aviation Fan787 He discussed it during a podcast with H3H3
Gianluca Badejo you wish someone dead because you dont like his music. Something tells me your have a shitty life and are very bitter about it😂
Gianluca Badejo jelausy...
The circuit breaker was disconnected to remove the alarm from the temperature probe, it was a common practice, so as not to waste time, since time was money, but they did not know that they also removed the TOGA power supply, an alarm that warns of the wrong configuration of flaps on takeoff... Subsequently the maintenance was negligent, the pilots were negligent, and the director was negligent in pressuring the maintenance technicians to fudge to eliminate the data from the RAT temperature probe and not delay the flight, since that if it did not take off, the money did not enter. Unfortunately, in the investigative commissions, several corrupt political groups covered up the whole truth, and blamed all their responsibility on the dead pilots so that no one would go to prison. SPANAIR. It is for this reason that my country cannot have nuclear power plants... all managers are negligent, until the end... The plane crashed due to the pilots' distraction by not using flaps on takeoff, since they began to distracted by non-work conversations, the TOGA alarm was turned off, and the terrible reaction and late response of the emergency teams were decisive after the catastrophe.
You are so better than mine. I got used in ifsm B717 Spanair, I got it wrong.
Damn how is a flight so close to the ground so deadly
It's only a temperature probe. We'll just shut it off. The plane is safe to fly. I suggest that EVERY device on a plane is necessary for it to be fully safe. And why did two different devices share the same relay?
iirc, that's how a lot of planes were designed in the 80s.
Very nice X!
Delta319 Please don’t say first. It’s disrespectful for those who died on this flight
Nathan D he didnt even say it...
Amores RBLX whoops I replied to the wrong comment
Aww man we can't fix it, screw it, it's fine.
5:53 the plane is 40 feet above the ground ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️
I always check the financial condition of an airline before booking. And never fly a “budget” airline for Gods sake.
@TM Films The name "Spirit" is enough to keep my off those planes, even with a good flight record.
Where do you get all those liveries ?
By the way, i love your videos !
Out of theory, if the pilots chose to just drop-throttle, and crash the plane early. Would it be safer than attempting to just fight through it? Not a pilot, so don't really no a lot. Just curious
154 OF 172 PASSENGERS ARE KILLED, ONLY 18 SURVIVED
@2:29 that word "assumed"Assuming got people killed.
It is so frustrating to hear that so called "PROFESSIONALS" can be so sloppy.
Notice the remark at 5:39?
I’m not a pilot but wouldn’t extending the flaps on takeoff be one of the MOST fundamental things to check?? I mean, after you get into a car the next thing you do is shut the door, right?? It’s just one of those fundamental things you do before driving done the road.🧐
The mechanics said the plane is safe to fly, while it wasn't. They basically did not repair one of the issues that involved the plane's warning system. I really hate that such plane disasters happen, but at the same time, I am glad that I am able to understand what went wrong in these planes.
Dudee, my dad almost went in that plane, but my mom said to him to go to Madrid with him and stay the weekend, if he went on that plane he would probably died! :(
I believe there is a pre-takeoff check list that should have included flaps and slats. Again, we find the pilots not following company procedure . I understand that with the long delay they were anxious to take off but there is no excuse for not running the checklist and following company procedures. When lives are at stake, there is no acceptable excuse for no following prescribed procedures!
Woah, just watched some of your videos, I subbed, keep up the good work :)
What is your next? Air France 358 maybe?
Did that recent aircraft in Malta actually take place? Or was that some kind of distraction, more media lies?
I’m never flying again
Amazing work can you PLEASE do Aeromexico flight 498!!! Please
It was a similar reason that NW flight 255 crashed in Detroit in the 80s
What was the flight that Joel (Deadmou5) missed and it crashed after the runway? Was it this?
Yes
How can a plane stall just because of wrong flap settings? Should the wings + V1 generate enough lift for take off? Not a pilot just curious
From my knowledge, a plane on takeoff needs sufficent lift and speed to takeoff. V1 is the speed needed to takeoff, however if the flaps or slats (if there is) are not in the correct configuration, the plane will not have sufficent lift to takeoff and climb. A stall occurred as the wings did not generate enough lift and the plane began falling back down. Once the plane has taken off and has sufficent speed, the flaps are not needed and so are retracted as the wings will generate enough lift.
if this was an airbus it wouldnt crash, the computer on that plane gives the final order when to takeoff. It wont allow the plane to fly unless everything is in proper configuration. Pilots hate it for its demanding ways.
There are also so many accident scenarios where if the plane HAD been an Airbus, the outcome would be fatal. Example: British Airways Flight 38.
Ozan I can believe it. Conversely Air France 330 downed in Atlantic would have survived if it was a Boeing. But why would BA 38 have been fatal if in an Airbus?
not if the pitot tubes are blocked.
Airbus? It is worse than MD in fatalities. MD is second safest, Boeing is safest. Airbus the worst of the big makers.
Nice video
Wonder if the fuse was operating would he have heeded the flap configuration sensor ?
Perfect storm.
How much do pilots get paid? Anyone here know or is/was a pilot? Just wondering. Thank you
Deadmau5 was suppose to be on this flight and ended up just missing it from being late, look it up
baznitchandsons Good thing he was late, sometimes a problem can stop a tragedy!
Here because of Ethan and Hila
Deadmau5 was supposed to be on this flight
Notification squad u alreadddddy know
Hike Regis then why are u an hour late
Bro you make amazing animations
ISAAC Burns Snow they aren't his.
Senors failed, then pilots failed. Fucking basics. Slats and flaps. There are checklists for a reason. Run through them, never mind if your superior decides to interrupt you. Don't proceed until the checklist is fucking checked!