The Clone Wars But in 2003 Clone Wars Artstyle
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2020
- So I reimagined some scenes from The Clone Wars (2008-2020) in 2003 Clone Wars artstyle. Hope you'll enjoy it!
Obi-Wan surrenders: • Video
Anakin surrenders: • Anakin saves Obi-Wan -...
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Alternate title: Anakin and Obi-Wan commit war crimes in 2003 Clone Wars artstyle
Alternative title: anakin and Obi wan are masters at surrendering
@@doctorspiders Anakin though is only a master...of getting caught!
My comment >:(
@@caenen6869 haha, very funny
I mean it was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.
Not only do the laws that make such acts war crimes not exist yet... but such laws wouldn’t be applicable to the aliens of a completely different galaxy
"You're crazy, Obi-Wan and Anakin. War crimes are not tactics."
"But it's a cool trick!"
in the first scene, obi wan didnt commit a war crime. He genuinely surrendered himself (but not his army), got disarmed and had a conversation with the enemy commander. but as he was taken prisonner he lost authority over his army and couldn't order them to surrender so he stalled for time until he got rescued. it was a strategic blunder from the CIS to think that capturing a general would force his army to surrender.
on the second scene, it's close but it's not. again it's quite tricky, anakin offered to surrender himself and his army, the tactical droid refused the surrender and ordered to open fire. surendering "truce" was over at that time and fighting resumed, but anakin was in a good position to kill the tactical droid. anakin played with the droid rigid programming knowing that the tactical droid would fear a trap and refuse the surrender. would have been a war crime if the droid actually accepted the surrender and Anakin still attacked them. the tactical droid also made the mistake to end the truce immediatly, making him vulnerable.
No soldiers are forced to take prisonners, but if they take prisonners they need to treat those prisonners well and prisonners would need to cease all hostilities during their captivity (they can still attempt to escape). it's good for public relations to take prisonners but based on the situations it is sometime not possible to take prisonners.
@@karhedin This is some good food for thought, and it inspired me to look deeper into the subject matter.
Definition of Perfidy: "It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy." *
Or, briefly, you can't surrender or negotiate with the intent to create an opportunity to kill/injure/capture the enemy.
In the first case, Kenobi is in violation because he draws out negotiations for the surrender of his forces with the intent of distracting Loathsom from the ongoing battle, hoping to thus enable GAR forces to defeat the enemy. He even admits this was his intent in a later part of the scene; this intent alone is enough to constitute perfidy.
I don't think it helps Kenobi that he "lost authority over his army" while captured by Loathsome. By negotiating, Kenobi implied he was still able to order his forces to stand down. If GAR forces would have obeyed such an order from Kenobi while he was captive, he would have had an ethical responsibility to agree to an immediate ceasefire if he was sincere when he claimed he had "conceded the battle." On the other hand, if his forces would have ignored a stand-down order from a captive Kenobi, then it becomes even more clear Kenobi was "negotiating" in bad faith, and his perfidy becomes even more clear-cut.
Now to the second case.
Skywalker's "surrender" has two consequences: it exposes the tactical droid to attack, and it buys time for Rex to position his jet troopers under the bridge. The text indicates both effects were intentional. For the first, Skywalker's line, "There he is," shows he planned to lure out the tactical droid for the purpose of destroying it; this intent is enough to establish perfidy. Second, when Skywalker signals to R2 to alert Rex, it is clear that this was a planned ambush, so Skywalker intended his surrender as a means to more effectively destroy the enemy; this intent is once again sufficient on its own to constitute perfidy.
The tactical droid's decision to immediately refuse Skywalker's "surrender" does complicate the situation a bit, but I don't think it's decisive. At least according to IRL standards, if you surrender or offer to negotiate a ceasefire with the intent of killing/injuring/capturing the enemy by doing so, and then manage to kill/injure/capture them as a result, you have committed perfidy. I also question whether Skywalker exploited the tactical droid's "rigid programming;" I think it more likely the droid already knew of cases when Skywalker committed perfidy and had no faith in the authenticity of his surrender (see Skywalker's "surrender" of the Defender in Storm Over Ryloth). This illustrates why the prohibition against perfidy exists in the first place: abusing the flag of truce or the protections for surrendered personnel leads to butchery down the line, "boy who cried wolf"-style.
Despite all of this, I must make a major concession to the characters. We're talking about a conception of the laws of war that simply may not exist in-universe. I'd absolutely buy this, since the galaxy had been at peace for about a thousand years before the beginning of the Clone Wars, and the framers of this iteration of the Galactic Republic seem to have attempted to abolish war altogether without making an effort to make any future wars less barbaric through an analogue to the Geneva Conventions. If a normally restrained Jedi Master like Kenobi would engage in this sort of conduct, it probably wasn't viewed as criminal, no matter how clear-cut it would be IRL in modern times.
Thanks for your thoughtful response, and sorry for the massive wall of text. I am happy to report I have learned something from this.
*Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949. (1977.) Text lazily grabbed from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidy
Sean Donoghue Interesting. Thanks for the in-depth analysis!
Edouard Degotte The CIS Droids must think the galaxy lives in the Middle Ages.
Death or capture of your leader, and you’re done.
You forget that this is a *fictional universe* of *fictional characters* during *fictional events* set in *outer space* and in *fictional galaxies* where they aren't restricted to our rules and regulations. And of course, but in war, ALL sides will play dirty as it has been *clearly portrayed* all throughout the Prequel movies & TCW show. who even follows these protocols of war exactly? Even real world militaries in our history haven't followed them, at least, not all of the codes. But those rules of war were often ignored by both sides in the SW universe and in general, both protocols that have been mentioned in regards to TCW show & companion TCW books didn't detail every single protocol to follow, just the ones that were the most relevant to follow in the scenes that those protocols were violated in. The codes were also implied to be old enough to be forgotten in time by not only the Seppies, but also the Empire. The Galactic Accord: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Galactic_Accord_of_Systems And the Yavin Code, formerly established by the Yavin Convention at the 11:05 mark of this unfinished TCW episode that you can also search about on Wookiepedia when you look up 'Yavin Code': ruclips.net/video/QXOu7aG7d_A/видео.html
It makes me giggle every time I hear him say "Bring us something liquid." I can just picture the droid bringing him a glass of motor oil.
The CIS general is unwittingly helping Obi-Wan stall by not being specific with his requests.
I bet after the droid goes back to change the oil can for something drinkable, it still forgets to bring cups or anything to drink off of.
Or maybe battery acid
@DrSleeperAgent
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For some reason I heard liquidy when Loathsom said liquid ever since I first saw the movie in theatres
*cuts to a droid pissing in the cups*
"Wow, Anakin committed a war crime!"
Yeah, it's like he's about to turn to the *Dark Side* or something.
I mean, Obi-Wan never turned
@@santiagobarreto9357 who says he didn't
@@elatedyolo4541 Star Wars
You don't what happened to him during those years after order 66 before him picking up luke
Obi-Wan also committed a war crime
Once again , anakin and obi wan commit war crimes
It's not a warcrime if you win
I doubt the Star Wars galaxy has a place called Geneva where such a treaty was signed. XD
To be fair both Loathsome and the tactical droid committed war crimes too, attempting to execute people who, for all they knew, had surrendered.
War crimes only apply to the living. Not some clankers
@@rovert881
Not for clankers?
(looks at other B1 droid)
Did he mean us?
Nothing is more civilized than tea time!
So civilized!
And war crimes! :D
Yes tea is the best
@@koriandr8581 Tea is better than coffee
Especially while breaking Article 37; Subsection 1a of the Geneva Conventions!
“I’ll try war crimes that’s a good trick!”
One that anakin would return to time and time again
Nah, Geneva convention to Aliens/Robots/not humans is more like uhmm...the geneva suggestions.
@@yeettheheat geneva suggestions XD fucking golden
Along w spinning those tricks really worked for anakin
@@yeettheheat They're more like guidelines than actual rules.
I did such a good move, Qui-Gon would be proud.
Hi Anakin!!
Well war crimes say something else.
I'm sure he would.
A good war crime
Hey qui gon! You in the comments anywhere?
10% of comments: looks cool
Other 90%: w a r c r i m e s
Eats shit and whip and nae nae's simultaneously
It wasnt his first or last time either. They are really getting comfortable in false surrenders.
@@kriza891 its the jedi way
Right, cause the separatists totally didn't commit any war crimes. They definitely didn't use civilian hostages as meat shields, use chemical weapons, test chemical weapons on people, fund actual slavery, fake surrender like they did in multiple episodes, kill children, slaughter and test weapons on P.O.Ws, force prisoners to serve in hostile forces, and forgo due process, as well as assassinating public officials at multiple times.
Neither side was good, the Republic was corrupt and hypocritical, and separatists were lead by a sith and funded by corrupt companies. I say that the separatists were better.
When you commit war crimes and everybody cheers
Edit: when you make a meme and it causes debates
Falsely surrendering? That's like....
One of the least heinous "war crimes" that could be done in a war lol.
Michael Stodovski honestly and they do it multiple times
Michael Stodovski war crimes are war crimes
@@michaelstodovski2219 ehhhh...depends on the outcome. Also, weird way to justify it lol.
Its only a war crime if you lose
Ah, seeing Anakin commit war crimes in the 2003 animated style is just so good.
Well, there's just something about 2003 and war crimes that goes together so well
@@Awakeningspirit20 Bruh.
The Jedi: You will by captured and sent to jail for your warcrimes.
Also the Jedi:
It's not a war crime if you put a heroic music over it.
@@jayive34 can't argue with that logic
A suprise to be sure,but a welcome one
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Your comment is a surprise to be sure but a welcome one
Yes indeed
Most Impressive
Hey, that's my line!
Damnit..... just sent the exact same post 😂
It's so good to see Cody in the 2003 Animation style again. I hate how we only saw him in two scenes during the 2003 Clone Wars.
agreed
@Chosen One The Bad Batch wasn't a thing in the 2003 Animated Clone Wars
@Chosen One
The old 2d Clone Wars, not the 3d animation
I wish someone would make a remake of the clone wars with this art style idk about you guys but I like the tarakotsky 2d style over the CGI one we got and not to mention the fight scenes would be a hell of allot better in this style like what we got in the 2003 show
@@delta2372 I'd agree however the original problem with the animated version was that it just took too long to make. In 2003 you would have to create each frame over and over again so that's why they didn't do anything like it again. Today they don't have to do that and Disney is really good at animated movies so it wouldn't be as painstakingly difficult as it was in 2003. I think they just don't want to even come close to experiencing the same pain they did when making the 2003 one alrgyi could be wrong.
I really like the 2003 artstyle tbh, feel like this one wasn't 100% spot on but was pretty close. Well done.
Can't be 100% spot on unless you have a studio budget.
Everyone typing "war crimes" needs to slow their roll. Coruscant never signed the Geneva Convention Accord.
THANK YOU FRO BRINGING THIS UP
Ever heard of a little something called the yavin code?
sounds like the kind of legal loophole you could march an army through.
@@fangorn23 Well played.
There's a Disney canon comic where Grievous and Obi Wan stay in a ice planet and they actually mention that they do have a pact between separatist and the Republic about war etiquette, there's war crimes in that paper tho, there's no particular info
This is incredible.... I hope this blows up man, will share this!
I agree...it would be amazing
Thank you! :D I really appreciate it
Oh hello 👋 there WoofWoofWolffe yes ur right this is amazing
THE 104 INTENSIFIES. im in the ice company bro!
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"There is always time for a war crime"
~ Sun zoo or something
Zanny
I forget his name, but the Separatist general in the 2008 movie always seemed like a decent guy to me. Sure he snapped later on when he realized he was being played, but that's understandable and he was being polite up to that point.
Obiwan's smile is so "You're being bamboozled and you don't even know it."
I love how its featuring the times Anakin and Obi-Wan committed war crimes
The Geneva convention does not exist in the Star Wars Universe. What we consider a war crime here on Earth may not be a war crime in The Galaxy Far Far Away.
Just wanted to point out that whilst Anakin had no intention of actually surrendering, the droid commander did not know this, but still gave the command to fire on what seemed to be a legitimately surrendering enemy, Anakin and his forces had every right to retaliate .
@@Vandicoup bro it was a joke.
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@@Vandicoup Yes that's the joke
You just made me realise something: that was a good bookend for the Jedi in the show and film.
I never noticed that too. That's pretty awesome. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
@@zackfilmsentertainment3048 There are quite a lot of similarities in the Siege of Mandalore compared to other arcs. Such as these: ruclips.net/video/1M2CTsDRx6U/видео.html
Anakin after commuting a literal war crime: sometimes my genius.. it frightens me
Honestly sounds like something he'd say
Especially with James Arnold Taylor still being the voice actor, this fits super well
Man i imagine this 2003 Clone Wars artstyle but with DARTH MAUL'S SCENE (The one where Maul slaughter the clones at a hallway similiar to Rogue One from Clone Wars season 7)
Id much rather have the Ahsoka vs Maul duel
If that scene was done in 2003 Clone Wars style, expect Maul mowing down an entire clone legion.
@@TacSon and all the clones just rapid firing their blasters down the hallway
Now I wanna see Maul in the 2003 style.
@@TacSon tecnically he did. rip the 332nd
>”ITS A TRAP YOU FOOLS”
>continues to stand in the open
Droid logic
"I am not fast."
He got pulled before he could move away
He had a 8 second time window before Anakin actually did anything to stop him from escaping. Since he’s a super tactical droid, I’d assume his reaction time is far faster than that of a human too.
@@LincolnDWard 👋 Hello! I am your military action companion.
OMG I love this!
What a rare honor a verified comment from two weeks ago with zero other people who have commented.
You’re late
I would rewstch the entire series all over again in this artstyle
I love both "Clone Wars" series.
@@DayanaRockStar122 me too.
So am I.
There are a lot of arguments online among Star Wars fans about which series is better glad to see someone else agrees that both series are excellent
@@hasthehighground8560 not only excelent, but i dont se why both cant ve canon
Bro these are so sick thank you for making them. I love the 2003 clone wars series and seeing this and how close it looks to Gennedys style just brings back so many feelings.
It's beautiful how so close to perfect this is. I cannot describe what I would give for a complete Tartakovsky Clone Wars Series.
I’d love to see scenes from The Bad Batch in this style when it’s released. I’m sure we’d get some excellent scenes of Wrecker.
This is amazing; I absolutely love the Tartakovsky Clone Wars series. He did such a great job. Excellent work on this recreation!
Also:
Glad I'm not the only one noticing you chose two instances of Jedi committing war crimes!
I absolutely adore how this looks,in the previous video in this style,some parts looked....off.
But now it's.....PERFECT
I wholeheartedly disagree. The original version is perfection but I respect that you at least adored the original! :)
I'm glad you kept Anakin's neck so long that he has the highground.
I hate how Disney tries to act like the 2003 Clone Wars series never happened
I never seen the 2003 Clones Wars but I really like the art stlye
@@mediatorraptor3349 Update: here is two working links to watch the series for free on RUclips, volume 1: ruclips.net/video/TopD5qm9MJc/видео.html. Volume 2: ruclips.net/video/KPrfXbI8r8U/видео.html.
Because the newer Clone Wars retconned a lot of things from the 2003 version
@@nathanplumer8171 Okay Disney. JK I know what you mean.
Um...dude, it wasn't Disney. George Lucas scrapped it, ignored it, etc.
can we take a second to appreciate this person for learning an new art style
This actually highlights how differently those shows were directed as well.
Genndy would have even made that negotiation scene more visually dynamic.
Not sure where you see that because the scenes are all arranged the same way in this edit. The only difference seems to be simply the animation. And I wholeheartedly disagree, the scenes looked immensely dynamic and gorgeous with all the vast, panoramic painted backdrops, beautiful layered lighting, shadows, realistic VFX and realistic, gorgeous character models, as does the rest of TCW in my honest opinion. I've always loved the 3D rendering and artistry in realism, never been a fan of the 2D material but I respect it, just as how I respect your opinion as well! Both Clone Wars shows are fantastic in their own rights and have both equally earned their places in the saga and fandom. :D And which negotiation scene were you referring to exactly, if I may ask? There were two in this! :)
@@Vandicoup My argument is not based specifically on the type of animation used but the way the scenes are directed.
I'm fine with 2d and 3d.
Both the scenes really.
No shit, Genndy is a legend. Clone wars would be top tier if he directed it.
@@bundleization It's already top tier without him. Genndy isn't the only legend at direct/animation.
@@smugplush Exactly!! Amen to THAT. I sometimes wonder if people ever watched The Clone Wars when they say things like that, or even watched TCW with their eyes closed, bwahahaha, because that show was ALSO visually-stunning and top tier in every way possible! :)
I love clone wars 2003-2005 and the clone wars 2008-2020.
XxCAPT NINJAxX “I love Clone Wars 2003-2005.”
I love the clone wars this good times man
I love everything except these stupid war crime scenes. I hated the season 7 war crime. Lazy writing.
I LOVE how everything even moves like it did in that show! Incredible work!
I love how you only chose to re-animate the war crimes.
I never imagined how Matt lanter’s voice would sound with Anakin’s ‘03, it fits that design very well.
I know, right? I mean I really loved the 2D animated series of clone wars, when I was 6-8 years old. But sadly, the 2003 clone wars are not canon anymore.
Nathan Cruz Deep down in our heart of hearts, it’s still canon to us.
VidsOnTheSide _ right.
Disagree I prefer Mat Lucas' voice
The forground animations are great, but the background is also very well done!
Alternate title: “Jedi Commit War Crimes in Star Wars 2003 Animation Style”
I love Tartakovsky's style. I especially love the comic versions even more than the animated 2003 clone wars. StarForceOne covers a lot of those comics, in case anybody is looking.
1:37 There is something that really bothers me about *surrended*
*surrended*
‘A’
*surrended*
*SURRENDED*
The way the clones pop their heads out of cover got me
Holy hell the nostalgia is real! 😂 must admit one of my favourite scenes from s7 looks amazing in this art style, kinda refreshing to see it in the old way 😁👍🏻 good job
Great video. Keep it up.
Side Note: I always REALLY disliked how the Jedi use fake-surrender as a tactic to get to their enemies. If they keep abusing it, then no one is going to take surrender seriously.
Which is literally what happens here. And I imagine that somewhere else in the universe, some Jedi was in an impossible situation, and actually really did try to surrender to save the lives of her Clones. But the droids just opened fire because their database would say "Warning, Jedi routinely fake surrendering."
@@whocares427 only B1 droids fall for it though, the tactical droid already knows
@@whocares427 So Anakin (and Obi-Wan) really DID kill all the Jedi
cheatsykoopa98 I think Geetsly made a video about Droid Sentience. He something about accepting the surrender of an enemy is a display of sentience. I suggest you guys watch it.
Is that really considered a war crime in the realm of Star Wars though? Last I checked, there wasn't an official rule book on how the Clone Wars should be carried out, but I understand why you guys don't like that but still, is this ever a thing established in the lore? After all, this is entertainment at the end of the day and I enjoyed it for what it is. Plus, they're just "ST00PID" battle droids like how Grievous in TCW likes to call them all the time haha. ;)
Wow, they really do fight dirty.
Yep, that's war for ya! All sides do it unfortunately. T_T It's only a matter of who does it worse and it's obviously the bad guys what with their mass enslavement, making civilians meat shields, blockading planets to starve the population to near death, death stars, etc.
I’m gonna be honest, it’s a lot better than I was expecting. GREAT job!
As of someone who doesn't know the difference between the OG C.W. and the 2003 C.W. this is amazingly accurate and well made
2003 is the original.
2003 is an interlude between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith
This made my day, love that 03 art style.
We need Anakin's 2003 whiny voice over Matt Lanter's.
2003 Anakin did sound like a weenie compared to movie Anakin and clone wars Anakin.
2003 Clone Wars has been so underrated for so long. So gad to see it honored in such a way
Obi-Wan trolling a general and Anakin committing a war crime are two of the best scenes you could have done, thank you for this
Feels good to be in the early 2000s again.
If you ever get the time Anakin vs Obi-wan 2003 clone wars style
That would be *insanely* difficult, if you ask me
That’s a challenge even for a team of professional animators, and I am far from a professional :P
@@DogeAnimations Not the entire fight just something short like this animation
I was 2 during 2003 and never saw Clone Wars look like this before but I got to admit, this is very good!
The dialogue is absolutely awesome. How two generals from warring sides acknowledge and respect eachother and sit and talk
Bro, I would do anything to see this fully fleshed out, if only to see how you would design Ahsoka.
With 2003 Shaak Ti's adorable little doggy nose, presumably
Small dots for eyes.
I can’t even imagine how long this took!! Amazing job!! maybe this will inspire Disney to start a new project with Tartakovsky 👀
Ah yes, the 2003 one was produced by Genndy Tartokovsky at Cartoon Network Studios, from the Golden era of Cartoon Network, that's why it's so good.
I love the style of '03 Clone Wars and Clone High.
1:50 Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys!
Genndy and Filoni would be proud of you dude this was amazing!
Honestly... you are amazing. There is such a lot of work behind this and it just looks amazing. Hope to see more in the future. ^^
This is soooooooo awesome!!! I'm soooo glad someone made this!!
I've animated before, and doing it in the style of the original Clone Wars frame by frame must have taken ages!!
Doge Animations you get such a huge round of applause oh my gosh!!
1:05
"Bring us some liquid"
Brings acid.
Kay thee Tartavosky Verse begins 2003-2005
But the Filoni Verse took 2008-2020
Obi-Wan: Ah, yes. Diplomacy.
They should've just killed him. If they wanted anikin to go to the Dark Side
I'm really glad you went all the way back to the Clone Wars movie, such nostalgia.
Obi wan and Cody looking up behind their cover is the best.
By the force!!!
This brings me back memories of 2003, it’s impressive, most impressive!
👏👏👏👏💪💪💪💪.
You should make another scene.
the Final Season of Ashoka Battle with Maul in this style
This is one of the most beautiful thing I've seen in a long time . Thank you 🙏
General Kenobi commits perfidy - Animated!
ты большой молодец! успехов тебе бро, отличный канал, хорошие мульты! главное рисуй именно то, что сам хочешь и будет тебе счастье!😉
Спасиб :D
Круто зделано!
Guys, get Genndy, we need to make this official.
Good Job man! You’re so awesome for making this, keep up the good work!!
Anakin: I surrender.
Also Anakin: I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further.
Why does stuff like this not blow up more.
Too much talk not enough action... This is really good I glad I sub.
I WANT MORE EPISODES WITH THIS ART STYLE!
0:38 That droid is THICC
Todays Lesson with Obiwan and Anakin: "Remember folks, war crimes are COOL"
it's amazing Ahsoka turned out as good as she did with these two for role models
Just imagine 2003 clone wars with The style of 2008-2020 clone wars
That was fantastic, excellent work!
I keep coming back to these. I wouldnt mind seeing the whole series like this
Artwork nailed the look. Now just needs long durations of silence aside from small sound effects to match the original 2003 series.
1:39
“Surrendid”
Bruh shouldn’t the script say Surrendered
You do not have to say every letter like it sounds in the letter variant.
i could never get enough of the 2003 clone wars! this is like a dream! so bad ass man great work!
Bro this is gold !! Keep making these
If only Mat Lucas voiced Anakin in this video.
I loved Mat Lucas, he was a good Anakin.
little rough, but a Great take on the Clone Wars
"You! Bring us something liquid"
"Roger Roger"
*Brings over bottled pee*
This is AMAZING!!!!! I love it so much!
I loved the clone wars from 2003, back during the Samurai Jack days.
You did a fantastic job getting the style and fluidity of the original.
Блин, а реально классно сделано
Кароче я стопудов уверен, что на этом видосе будет минимум 500к просмотров так что скажу пока не утонул в коммах:
Я хочу питцы.
pizza time
Хоти.
Pizza time
Dude this was so dope can’t wait to see more
Lovely work here guys. Really excellent job!
For one so civilised Obi-Wan seems to break the Gevena convention an awful lot