he was stoned faced all throughout the set up until that anticlimactic ending, even doing that combo...jason's been working on his mentality during high profile matches. Good to see. And yeah that rest punish was gawtlike.
Damn. I always feel like Mewt2King get second place every time when play against the gods. Hopefully he will get first next year in EVO. Good jobs and congratz to Hbox!
M2K isnt patient enough in neutral like PPMD is and a little too f-smash freindly. he should just play an advantageous f-air wall neutral game and patiently kill at 180%
0_ 0 No I could KNOW that. In this age it is easy to know what the best option or frame data from a quick search. But of course that's still scrubby me who still couldn't possibly know that right? How about M2K being quoted as saying "My punishes and edgeguards are integral to my playstyle and puff takes those away for the most part. I need to play more patient"
That was great! I know Fox is probably a better matchup against Jiggs, but watching this (and the Hbox/PewPewU set at Apex) makes me wish M2k would go Marth against Hbox more often. The hits and the punishes are too fun to watch!
Honestly, I love HBox, he's pretty much my smash idol. I just don't think using rest early on is a good strat. You get M2K up to 50-60%, then kill him with a rest, then you let M2K punish you with 50-60%, sometimes even get a stock to even the game. It seems like every kill with rest, M2K followed up with a kill from punishing Jiggs. I'd even use rest if I was just one stock ahead, but probably not when the game is even.
I need you all to understand M2K Dsmashed the 3rd rest punish because he predicted HBox to sDI up. He sDId preparing for a fsmash/nB. This is called a mix up.
does m2k know he down tilt jigglypuff, she crouches which means you cant grab her (which he still attempts to grab her). down tilt is important in this match up as marth
Mew2King wins a lot, he is in no rut or bad spot. HungryBox just knows this matchup and M2K doesn't go against Jiggy anywhere near the amount of times HB goes against Marths. I enjoy watching HB and M2K, but I will admit I was rooting for HB here.
I wouldn't call it a lead when it's one stock to one stock, but someone has more % than the other, because anything can happen. I would only call it a lead if the person has one more stock than the other player.
1) Crouching under JC grabs, which usually is an instant Rest. HBox seemed hesitant about doing that for some reason. 2) When Jiggs gets up to 150% and higher, Marth can't combo her with anything, so any attempted KO is a YOLO Fsmash or something like that. 3) Marth doesn't have too many safe moves. For example, whiffing an Ftilt is a Bair to the face.
strawhats100 According to where? The MBR matchup list as of December 2010 (the most recent AFAIK) list Jiggs as being +1 over Marth, a position I fully support as a Marth main and a Jiggs secondary.
FishamanP check smashboards man, their is a more recent community tier list (found under Melee Discussion) and marth is placed above puff, peach, falcon and ICs.
I dont remember playing melee too much... is it naturally that fast paced or is it sped up for the video? Cuz sheesh... brawl and ssb4 are slower paced. Specially Brawl.
I cant get into hungrybox, im just not a fan of the rest,rest,rest stuff, the ppl he plays just seem to have so much more skill and movement, personally mang0 is my favorite to watch. Also, the commentators were hysterical haha kept the hype going.
+Nick Sibilla rest is not hard to land. if you can land a shine you can land a rest for the most part. plus most setups are pretty much guaranteed. idk how you can think uptilt rest or upthrow rest is a "science"
Sanjeev Rau i understand that, im not a jigglypuff player though and am not a fan of hungrybox's style, imo. Also, not that the moves are hard, just the way mang0 does them is what it impressive, his speed and precision is what blows my mind.
This was uploaded on September 7 2014... Smash 4 came out *first* on September 13 on 3DS in Japan... how do these guys know what a "smash 4 edgeguard" is? O_o
is Jigglypuff downB worth using on small stage like this where the player can come back and attack right away??? Like when Hungrybox use it against Mew2King and Mew2king came right back and killed him. I am just wondering.
It's a good Idea if you're up in stocks, or if you're far behind in percent. You're going to either trade a stock while your up, or you were going to die soon anyway do to your percent disadvantage. nearly any opportunity you get to rest should be taken unless you're up high in percent because then you can just Bair to death.
did it look like HB started taking it easy on him and messing around? he started using Rollout yall lol. on M2K. and it actually got him a kill. HB was just messing with him tbh
Those times where it seems out of nowhere Jiggs hit a "SMASH!" sound and the player flies off screen it's from a "rest" and that puts Jiggs asleep. But if the rest misses, she simply falls asleep. It's extreme difficult move to master as the hitbox is VERY small.
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5:55 was the most beautiful Jiggs combo I've ever seen.
D1 and TKO are my favorite commentary duo, so good! Also, hype set!
Not anymore ;(
Under the stage
Under the stage
Baby it's better
Down where you're deader
Under the staaage
I never get sick of D1's "destruction!"
Dustin Trombly or Pressure..
my best memories are playing this with friends til morning. glad ppl are still into it
Press 1 if you feel bad for Hungryb- I mean Mew2King
Thanks, now I don't have to watch the video
Samantha Young
the length of the video kinda spoils who the victor is tbh, M2K would've needed 2 sets to win.
Not my fault you read the comments first lol
You ever consider he was seriously thanking him... lol
Samantha Young It was your fault for making the unintelligent decision of reading the comments before watching the video.
11:49 Holy shit M2K is fucking amazing. That marth.
A really crazy set. One of my favorite matches of the year.
he was stoned faced all throughout the set up until that anticlimactic ending, even doing that combo...jason's been working on his mentality during high profile matches. Good to see. And yeah that rest punish was gawtlike.
Ain't no rest for the Hungry.
Those sets would beg to differ. There were many rests for the Hungry.
it was a reference... lol
Around 2:40 HBox crouches next to the knockdown, waits for the first getup attack hit, then WDs underneath the second one, beautiful play.
Why doesn't m2k use Marth against Puff more often? He only lost this by means of SD, it was reaaallly close.
bcuz fox puff is one fucked up matchup
Many of Marths in a moves are rest punishable
This is a difficult matchup for Marth.
Because Up Throw Up Air is a thing that kills Jiggs at like 50%
And Rest is a thing that kills Fox at 0%
TKbreezy and D1 are such awesome commentators, also SICK SICK game play from HBox and M2K. LOVE IT!
Damn. I always feel like Mewt2King get second place every time when play against the gods. Hopefully he will get first next year in EVO. Good jobs and congratz to Hbox!
Hbox went so hard for that kill around 5:50... Literally put him to rest. DAMN
Can we just talk about how well mew2 played the edges and recovery this entire set?
2:00 damn, d1 can rap.
I can never get tired of hungrybox.
DrShoe Canpyrotoo I can. Fuck Jigglypuff.
apocalypseap You know what's tired tho? Fox.
space animals man, space animals
Well that's your opinion
Can't believe no one got the pun.
Why is he standing? Oh yeah...he's watching M2K's controller.
Are you serious?
+John Titor HAHAHHAHAHAHA I KNOW THIS AINT SERIOUS BUT GODDAMN
+IGZ NoBlock he actually does that, and m2k has complained about it, and hbox has admitted of doing it so he can see where they DI
+fer stadthagen I'm interested about it, do you have a source?
+Thisisforvortex Just searching the topic gives a load of results on it.
Amazing Match. Quite possibly my favorite one so far :3
15:53 Marth uses Shield Breaker!
It's not very efective...
Jigglypuff just looks so FUN to play. I don't understand why Hungrybox gets mad whenever he loses, it must be fun to play her.
Marth's up smash is Thunder Cats, and his up throw is Hancock. You learn something every day.
M2K isnt patient enough in neutral like PPMD is and a little too f-smash freindly. he should just play an advantageous f-air wall neutral game and patiently kill at 180%
Yeah if he was just a little more patient this game could have been his
r u telling God's how to play their character? bru
SouL X hindsight is 50/50 bud
It's easy to see mistakes and you don't have to be a god to see them
Besides he's right
0_ 0 No I could KNOW that. In this age it is easy to know what the best option or frame data from a quick search. But of course that's still scrubby me who still couldn't possibly know that right?
How about M2K being quoted as saying "My punishes and edgeguards are integral to my playstyle and puff takes those away for the most part. I need to play more patient"
That was great! I know Fox is probably a better matchup against Jiggs, but watching this (and the Hbox/PewPewU set at Apex) makes me wish M2k would go Marth against Hbox more often. The hits and the punishes are too fun to watch!
I hope M2K doesn't get too discouraged. He's actually very good at this MU for how god damn infuriating it is.
WHO SAYS THAT JIGGLYPUFF IS BORING?!
pretty much everyone
Jon White
Playing her is actually a thrill. Landing Rest, and the air combos keep my erection rock hard when I play with her.
stuna210 Playing against Puff is Frustration: The Game
even hbox said puff was boring lol
Even Armada said it was gay.
Hungrybox has been getting dirtyer and dirtyer lately. I love it!
I think it's time we soon get a Tournament Mr. Game & Watch player
GimR
qerb
commentator with these movie references lol "Hancock" & "UP" hahaha funny
5:17 grabs edge, rest!
Mew2King started rolling at the dunk. It was hilarious 12:39 😂😂😂😂😂
5:56 beautiful
ImpossibleCarl69 yes
Honestly, I love HBox, he's pretty much my smash idol. I just don't think using rest early on is a good strat. You get M2K up to 50-60%, then kill him with a rest, then you let M2K punish you with 50-60%, sometimes even get a stock to even the game. It seems like every kill with rest, M2K followed up with a kill from punishing Jiggs. I'd even use rest if I was just one stock ahead, but probably not when the game is even.
Are you stupid?
+Tyler Holguin yes
Game 4 is one of the coolest things I have ever seen.
I ever wonder why no Marth user ever use Counter when it'd be very convenient.
it can be useful, but too easy to punish for jigglypuff in this matchup
cause Counters are easily couterable
That mindset in Melee is exactly why I get messed up by counters alot in Smash 4. lol
KenMeisterLP fucking shulk/little mac users spam it to no end that most combo starters of mine are now grabs
Jude Fernandes "Combos"
Shoutouts to RF adapters
Watching this almost gave me a heart attack. M2K please don't do this again (almost winning an impossible matchup); you're gonna kill me lol
5:56 11:44 11:50 15:01
Thank me later
zVirusz well it's been 2 years so thanks
I wanna thank you now
I need you all to understand M2K Dsmashed the 3rd rest punish because he predicted HBox to sDI up. He sDId preparing for a fsmash/nB. This is called a mix up.
I can't believe that rest is punishable after you kill someone with it
SPOILERS I GUESS.
That ending was a heart break wanted m2k to win. But congrats to HBox, I'm actually happy he got 1st place.
m2k coulda just countered all those roll outs, man
+TheLastSliceOfPie Jiggs can't be hit by counter :P
I just realized M2K's head fits on HB's body in the two screens together lol
Hungrybox so humble to gave M2k a last game, thats why M2k suicide at the end, the best play I saw here.
0:31 Spot dodge to rest? Genius.
Finally a good Jiggs-Marth match to study Kreygasm
I never played mele, but holy shit jigglypuff looks op as fuck
Nah, Hungrybox is the broken one in this match. I'm surprised he's not banned yet, makes the game very unbalanced.
pokemonnnerd "surprised he is not banned" .. could you please explain what you are trying to say ?
I'm basically saying he is extremely good at the game lol.
pokemonnnerd yeah but m2k too ^^
Jiggly is pretty OP considering how easy she is to play.
i want m2k to win here so bad just so he can regain confidence in his marth :(
watching this after the recent str, nice set
watching hbox is so amazing!!!
soooooo
why isnt m2k playing BLIP BLIP BLIP BLIP HWAAAAAAAH MISHAUN COMPRITE
Anyone know why Hbox back airs away from the stage while he's off stage? Does that do anything?
Even though M2K didn't win, he played this matchup fantastically.
Great match, and fucking love the commentary
Wow you can't not feel bad about the way M2K lost after fighting so well.
i was feeling so much anxiety the entire set
never new jigglypuff was so damn strong
0:14 things get serious when HBox takes it off.
16:16 ah so I guess he'll just roll up from the- OH GOD WHAT
God HBox has been so solid.
that kill at 14 minutes. relentless
Why do tournament Marth/Roy players never use the counter?
Against jiggs, if you dont read him right and counter at the right time, you're almost always going to get rested.
its kind of like air dodging only worse lag i think
Shoutouts to up
does m2k know he down tilt jigglypuff, she crouches which means you cant grab her (which he still attempts to grab her). down tilt is important in this match up as marth
Think of the children. Im dying.
Mew2King wins a lot, he is in no rut or bad spot. HungryBox just knows this matchup and M2K doesn't go against Jiggy anywhere near the amount of times HB goes against Marths.
I enjoy watching HB and M2K, but I will admit I was rooting for HB here.
I was litteraly holding my breath the whole set! But then just: ...wait, seriously??
I wouldn't call it a lead when it's one stock to one stock, but someone has more % than the other, because anything can happen. I would only call it a lead if the person has one more stock than the other player.
Can somebody tell me why this matchup is in Jigg's favor? It seems pretty even-ish to me, if not slightly in Marth's favor.
1) Crouching under JC grabs, which usually is an instant Rest. HBox seemed hesitant about doing that for some reason.
2) When Jiggs gets up to 150% and higher, Marth can't combo her with anything, so any attempted KO is a YOLO Fsmash or something like that.
3) Marth doesn't have too many safe moves. For example, whiffing an Ftilt is a Bair to the face.
I think most people by now would agree that the matchup is in Marth's favor (the degree to which it is varies depending on who you ask).
FishamanP its in marth's favor 55-45/60-40
strawhats100
According to where? The MBR matchup list as of December 2010 (the most recent AFAIK) list Jiggs as being +1 over Marth, a position I fully support as a Marth main and a Jiggs secondary.
FishamanP check smashboards man, their is a more recent community tier list (found under Melee Discussion) and marth is placed above puff, peach, falcon and ICs.
I dont remember playing melee too much... is it naturally that fast paced or is it sped up for the video? Cuz sheesh... brawl and ssb4 are slower paced. Specially Brawl.
"Shout outs to Up" LOL laughed a little too hard 18:15
I cant get into hungrybox, im just not a fan of the rest,rest,rest stuff, the ppl he plays just seem to have so much more skill and movement, personally mang0 is my favorite to watch. Also, the commentators were hysterical haha kept the hype going.
Try to land all those rests. Land a rest is not luck. It's a science, an art.
Oscar Alberto Mendoza Chavez i know, it's hard af, just not my style.
+Nick Sibilla rest is not hard to land. if you can land a shine you can land a rest for the most part. plus most setups are pretty much guaranteed. idk how you can think uptilt rest or upthrow rest is a "science"
Sanjeev Rau i understand that, im not a jigglypuff player though and am not a fan of hungrybox's style, imo. Also, not that the moves are hard, just the way mang0 does them is what it impressive, his speed and precision is what blows my mind.
Hbox is awesome he has a unique style
14:10 MEWTWOKING
I almost died laughing xD
This was uploaded on September 7 2014... Smash 4 came out *first* on September 13 on 3DS in Japan... how do these guys know what a "smash 4 edgeguard" is? O_o
Gameplay trailers.
it looks like hbox and m2k are one person in the player cams
They messed up the title it should say STR not TR lmao
is Jigglypuff downB worth using on small stage like this where the player can come back and attack right away??? Like when Hungrybox use it against Mew2King and Mew2king came right back and killed him. I am just wondering.
It's a good Idea if you're up in stocks, or if you're far behind in percent. You're going to either trade a stock while your up, or you were going to die soon anyway do to your percent disadvantage. nearly any opportunity you get to rest should be taken unless you're up high in percent because then you can just Bair to death.
azureman15 okay. thank you very much. that make complete sense.
Why does M2K struggle so much against Puff?
I wish m2k would use marth more vs hungrybox. He gets pretty close w/o it being another fox vs puff.
This matchup looks a lot like Meta Knight versus Ice Climbers in Brawl. One mistake for Marth = death.
use counter more when you're getting juggled man :( and when jiggs is charging rollout
Puff's roll from ledge over 💯 is funny as shit
Wow Game 4 was so hype.
man Hbox has GOT to be happy bout puff being in sm4sh
jason flinches everytime he gets rested
That little pop off from Hbox was a little unnecessary for the way the set ended.
Is Counter not an option against Rollout? Does Jiggs just move too fast to get hit by it?
+Commander Shepard Yes.
+Commander Shepard or you can fake out the approach and be punished after Counter active frames goes away
m2k grabbing ledge after a kill is so smart
did mango use captian because its for charity and he didnt really care about winning?
the final stock was so lucky for hungry box
Why didn't mew2king break puff's shield? Is there some rule against it?
He attempted to but Hbox didn't shield it
if you break Jigglypuff shield she instantly dies
+Ziplile I know that, that's why I'm asking the question.
Wow now i feel so bad at this game
prog in the crowd there ?
Am i the only one that thinks it looks like hungrybox is doing a rubics cube
probably the best match ive ever watched... fuck the result through
I don't like how Hbox takes a lot of risk while edgeguarding, like at 18:30 is just too scary how he goes there...
that wasn't anti-climatic. you shoulda seen that match mew2king vs kels when they died simultaneously
did it look like HB started taking it easy on him and messing around? he started using Rollout yall lol. on M2K. and it actually got him a kill. HB was just messing with him tbh
i dont play smash. Why does jigglypuff constantly fall asleep?
Rest (Puts jiggles to sleep) But it also can kill people with 1 shot if hit at the appropriate range. It's like a 1 shot kill.
TheGosu They have to be at 40% for a guaranteed kill, usually.
Those times where it seems out of nowhere Jiggs hit a "SMASH!" sound and the player flies off screen it's from a "rest" and that puts Jiggs asleep. But if the rest misses, she simply falls asleep. It's extreme difficult move to master as the hitbox is VERY small.
You don't play Smash and your name is Randall the Cloud? I'm calling troll.
Christopher Zhou das racist ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
18:40 I've seen m2k lose so many tournies from sding this way
i would assume marth is a counter pick to jigglypuff?
Lol no Its a bad match up for Marth
It's close to even. Once Marths understand how to get pivot tipper fsmashes it's his favor. If they can't get kills off of grabs then it's 50-50.
Puff beats marth any day, unless your timing is very on point