Man I love the RT, have the 18' model with the Nav VI and its issues :(. But this technology really seems to be getting in the way of enjoying the scenery as you ride. Seems like you spend about 80-90% of your time managing the electronics and then 90% of the remaining time ensuring road safety, leaving about 2% of the time to enjoy that gorgeous German countryside. I be sticking with my round dial 18' for a few more years at least. Good video though.
Hi . I really enjoyed this episode. I also have a 2021 r1250rt. I have really learnt a lot. I never miss an episode . I'm from Australia 🇦🇺 and enjoy riding the motorbike. The only problem I had with the bike was the lid for the charging compartment not opening. Love the Scenery that you ride. I hope to come overseas one day. Keep up the great work 👍.
I really appreciate your taking up wifi nav technology. Most reviewers spend no time on it, just repeating marketing claims. I don’t see this technology becoming practical any time soon and am skeptical of paying for multimedia and TFT features.
013/012/050 is the latest now (as if this post) thanks for the latest video Scott , I’ll tune in later on ,,, i have the 1250 rt Monday whilst the 1000xr is in for a service …
Being technically inept, I found this video very helpful to more understand the TFT and all the features. I was missing the simplicity of my 2019. Your video helps me understand the operating system. Looks like I’ll have the latest software update when I bring the bike in for the first service next week.
Out on my trusty ‘09 VFR today and noticed (celebrated) what isn’t there. No GPS, no electronic suspension, no communication system, no TFT tablet spitting out data; not even a gear indicator. Just scenery.
Not to mention that as I was watching this, I couldn't help wondering how many people will ride their bikes into ditches, guard rails, other cars, etc because they were fiddling with their electronics instead of watching where the hell they were going.
thank you for your honesty, ... In South Africa we have yet to come to this level, but for some unexplained reason we do NOT seem to have navigation issues so far with the Motorrad Navigators,🤞🙏 I love your vids and reviews, keep them coming and again a warm thank you! Regards from Still Bay, South Africa.
I like the owner’s perspective videos very very much. All your videos are great but this one was very fun to watch. The country you live in there is amazingly beautiful. Hope you are well! Ride safe.
Thank you for the very informative video. I just got a 2022 K1600 with the 10 inch TFT and have never used the BMW Navigation before (always used my Garmin on mt GSA and older K1600). Will take a while to get used to the new system but at least you have shown the basics. Good idea setting the Navigation as a Favourite button!
Thank you for this wonderful video. A very important issue, and this kind of informative video can make a difference. Love your presentations and your dedication.
Usually the dealership will update it when you bring it in for service, at least mine does, I check it after each to see if the software numbers change 😁😁
My 2021 RS has similar connection problems, sometimes it doesn’t connects the iPhone or the Cardo intercom. Sometimes the solution is to pair again the devices. Good to know there’s a software update. 👍
That's such a huge bike, wow. I'm used to the rninet and tenere 700 😂 even my ex 1250gs looks thin comparing the cockpits. This really is a mile eating machine.
Great video Scott, I have a 2020 R1250GS, and the Sat Nav disconnect is very annoying, my bike is due for a service soon must get them to update my software and follow your tips, I really enjoy this type of informative video, Thanks.
Also, be sure your not wearing an Apple Watch. My last upgrade has been the dream bike. The cubby hole will be an issue when it’s hot. It actually will not work despite the fan. The BMW retailer ultimately put my phone outside on the right side. I’ve never had a since. I connect very quickly even after getting fuel. Before I dreaded getting fuel.
Hi Scott, I have been watching your interesting bike reviews from my home here in Quebec, Canada 🇨🇦 for a little more than a year. My question: Are you canadian or american living in germany? Thanks for your work!
@@NothingToProve Hi Scott me again, if I get you right, people from Michigan state consider themselves neither american nor canadian? 😉Can’t wait to get my 1250 gs 2022 this weekend at my dealer in Quebec city.
Where I live winding route mode is basically how high of a chance do you want to to have of dying/riding through a terrible neighborhood where the police don’t even dare venture. Must be amazing to ride where you are
Thank you, that will probably come at the end of the summer, after I put some miles on it and do a trip or two or three. Then I will be able to "nitpick" all the little things that one only notices after a while. take care, Scott
Nice review. This blue colour really looks amazing 👍. Can you say your impression about the quickshifter? How is it compared to other bikes (like Multi V4, Tracer 9, Tuono V4, Tiger 1200 GT Pro)? I have to test ride one to be sure anyway, but can you tell me is it much sportier feeling with its 17inch vs GS?
I’m having issues with the Nav system on my ‘22 RT but i think it’s my lack of understanding all things techie lol. Sirius Satellite radio cutting out is a known issue also and it’s the location of the antenna which is right behind the windshield. Loving the bike so far though!!
hi Scott, I love your videos and presentation vstyle, great explanation of the problem and fix, it's good to hear you got things going, like you I'm an Android guy rather than Apple. lovely scenery on your ride, I love Germany and have done some riding in and around Heidelberg.
Thank you. Great blue berries there in Heidelberg and castle too. The name of the berry is named after the town but today in Germany you can call the blue berry by either name. 👍😊
@@NothingToProve , yes Heidelberg is a beautiful city with lots of history, I used to be enjoyed by SAP with the Global HQ in Waldorf, staying in Heidelberg was the best option when visiting for workshops, etc.
Since I switched to the iphone 13: Perfect connexion with the TFT, flawless, all the time With my previous iPhone, the XS, it disconnected quite often… And by the way I still didn’t get the latest TFT update. So it seems to works perfect with the two previous only
Great video buddy, just a couple of Qs though does the Nav App show you the local speed limit ? About to pick my RT up next week so looking forward to plannng some trips , one will be to the Moto GP in Aus later in the year
@@NothingToProve thanks for getting back to me so quickly , do you know if you will see the same maps view you see on a iPhone when connected to bike via Motorad App
It's TomTom maps and real time logic used. BMW bought the rights to use them. I don't have an iPhone so don't have a clue as to what iPhone looks like. take care, Scott
I don’t believe in BMW Motorrad navigation. I bought a Garmin for my GS and it’s doing a great job. The fact that you can control the BMW nav with the wheel doesn’t weigh out its stupid price and some of its outdated features.
It's TomTom navigation, not BMW. BMW entered into a partnership several years ago, it's the same in their BMW cars too. BMW just brought it over from the car division to the motorcycle division.
And that's the reason I don use the BMW App anymore on my GS1250. The only place I can have my phone is in my jacket pocket and it always used to "disconnect" from the TFT. Now everything goes through the satnav and it's fine no matter where I have the phone.
I have the f900xr like you and it came with the nav support but the nav6 is sooooo bad that I’m thinking of using just the app with the turn by turn OR getting a tomtom rider adapter for the nav mount….. dunno which one to choose
I really enjoy your videos. Keep it up. Do you have any plans to make trip videos again on the R1250RT similar to your F900 XR trip videos from the Alps?
Hello Scott. Let me be the first one to comment on this new video. Thank you very much for this information. I ordered my bike (JUST LIKE YOURS) 1/6/22 and it was delivered to me here in the Chicago area on 4/6/22. I just went out to the garage to check the software version, and it is the 2022 Spring version 012008040! I have about 160 miles on it now after taking it on the maiden voyage up to Wisconsin last weekend. Would you tell me what option you have for your number three button to show the full map version? I had troubles displaying that on my trip (Due to my inexperience with the system) even though I was able to get the turn by turn to show on the right side. Other than that the navigation worked perfectly for me too. Please provide more videos on THIS bike as they are what I am interested in, as your subscriber. Thank you and ride safe. 😊
I feel your pain. My software has to be updated as well. A bit of a learning curve regarding the TFT screen. I have 360 miles on mine, having issues displaying the full screen for navigation. Perhaps the update will address the issue.
#NewSoftwareUpdate #BMW #RT #1250 SW 013_012_050 Version! 5 Oct 2022 And finally, new software update! I would like to make some side comments here about it, although I´ve only ridden around 60 km, - now the Gps voice instructions play over radio (at least over DAB radio), so no more missing turns! - Favorite buttons: you can choose over quite a nice list of options, from heating menus, to main menus, or radio and media directly, including Gps. - as far as connection: new Bluetooth icon during searching. Later edit: - during a phone call the screen stays in split screen with maps on the right side! no more interruptions!
I am looking to add the exact RAM mounts that you have on your bike. Can you help me out here? What RAM part numbers do I need? And, is there a hidden threaded socket under the black plastic piece behind the SOS call door on the clutch side? Can I just remove a cover and screw in the RAM mount? I assume I need either P/N RAM-B-349 (M10 x 1.25) or RAM-B-349-1U (M10 x 1.5)?? Thanks!!
Servus, nice videos I must say! I was for the first service in Rosenheim, and also specifically asked for the software update, off course I took a picture before, and they said: yes it's done", but what to see: same version! Then the usual" yeah,we have to call BMW central..." . I stil have issues with disconnections after recieving a call. I have to stop the bike disconnect and all. Any suggestions?! Thanks!
It sounds like your phone is taking priority away from the BMW app, check those settings. But I've noticed that too, when using the phone for anything else while using the BMW app, it will often disconnect the Map Mode but will usually find it back but once this happens, then it is more apt to disconnect. It's new tech and no other OEM has it as good as this. I mean there are other OEM's doing this same thing (Ducati, Triumph, Honda) but it's much worse, except for maybe the Honda AT but that is only for iPhone and not android. That has always been BMW's problem then want to be the first/leader in new tech but that often comes with a price/problems. take care, Scott
I am very happy with my 2020 model :P I would hate to have to have the phone not on me, my take for that is if I have an accident and I am separated of the motorcycle, I will rather have the phone on me. Not sure my S21 ultra would fit anyway :P
Hi Scott, Does the BMW navigation re-route automatically in the case of a traffic jam? Since I live in the Netherlands I am allowed to use Waze, that is the navigation I use now… Kind regards, Harm Salemink
No, the App does not recommend alternative navigation routes in the event of traffic jams. But the app takes the current traffic situation into account when planning the route according to the navigation settings in the menu "More" then "navigation setting" then "consider traffic" at the bottom right of your BMW Motorrad Connected App, . Which does not help in real time but hey, it's a free app. I would pay to have BMW to offer this as an option but for now, they don't 😢 take care, Scott
If I were shopping for BMW, this video is enough of an incentive to find another Nav solution. It seems to be slow and cumbersome compared to smartphone apps. Case in point, the scene at the petrol station; in this modern era it should not take over minute to get the electronics up and running.
Actually this is the smart phone app you are seeing there. The smart phone sends its display to the TFT via WiFi. This all needs some time to initialize and sync.
No clue right now, but I will get a clue when I take it in for service next month, March. But a brand new bike, will have the latest software, well, if it's really a 23. There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when they do updates, well, at least I don't see a pattern. Have fun with your new bike! Take care, Scott
When your phone is connected and in navigating the GPS route, do you find induction charging isn't enough juice? I have to have mine plugged in to increase charge in my phone. Bit of a pain since the phone cubby is too small when you have it plugged in to the USB charger.
It really depends on the phone, my Samsung S20 FE, it actually lost a little charge but this year I upgraded to the S22, just the normal version and I will always end up with more at the end of a ride. For example if I start out with 50% battery life and at the end of a long ride, it will be at 80 to 90% charge. I just got back from Sardinia Italy, 10 days there riding every day. And most mornings I'd start with around 60-80% charged and I'd end the day with 98-100% charged, so as I'm getting off the bike and into the hotel most guys are saying I need to charge my phone, NOT me, I'm still taking pictures and videos of the ride with my phone that is fully charged Loved that fact! So it depends on the phone and how it manages power...I guess??? take care, Scott P.S. My old S9 did about the same as the S22, so I only lost % on the S20FE of the 3 phones.
@NothingToProve Thank you! Will try playing with it some more. Might be my phone case or something slowing down induction. Just got the bike new 3 weeks ago so it's a steep learning curve!
Has anyone had issues with the wireless charge compartment continuously charging your iPhone? When I place my phone on the wireless charging pad inside the compartment, it starts charging it shows a green light and my phone shows that it’s receiving a charge. After about five seconds it’ll stop charging and the light will turn flashing orange. 10 seconds later it’ll start charging again on its own, then it’ll go in and out in and out repeatedly every few seconds. I have the ‘…030’ software version. iPhone 13 pro. It happens with or without the Apple MagSafe phone case. Thanks !
Sorry, I have not had that problem. I've tried it with the Samsung S8, S9 & 2 different S20's, so 4 different phones and none of them has this charging problem. Maybe take it back to your BMW dealer and ask them to check it out, maybe there is a defect with the charger. Anyone else have a suggestion?
Hi Scott, a reassuring video in light of the fact I will be picking up my 1250RT in June. Have you had any problem with the exhaust flap valve too? Mike
@@NothingToProve Thanks Scott. I have been told by the service dept of dealership I’ve purchased my bike from that BMW have modified this known issue, so fingers crossed they have (and save you some editing time)😂.
I have no idea, sorry. I was just checking some RT forums and ran across the software numbers. OEMs usually don't like to give out this information cause then they have to do it when the customer asks for it...for free :(
It's better but it's like the system has good days and bad days. Some days it never fails but just this last Thursday I went out for a 5 hour ride with Karl the 1290SAS guy and it disconnected 3 times and would not reconnect while riding, so had to pull over and shut off bike...etc. to get going again. It really frustrated me. But on Monday I did a 4 hour ride by myself and it never disconnected at all. So I'm at a loss for why it does this...sigh...frustrated...confused...wondering if it's an App on the phone that's interfering with the BMW app...or BMW just does not like riding next to KTM...LOL!
I collected last week my 2022 Triple Black RT with 719 saddles and 719 covers… it is a beauty and just finished the 1000km service… i saw you put the mounts on the sos button and another mount on the handlebar left. What are these? And where can we get those? ;-)
Well, if you have a friend that has a GS/RS/R/XR, you can steal the back side of the clutch/brake levers, the side facing you while riding, and swap them for theirs. But then they won't be able to mount their mirrors 🤣🤣🙄 Or you can just order them from Wunderlich: RT Hand guards mounting kit for SOS-system or if you don't have SOS...too...I do so I got the SOS one. Then you just pop off the stock and put these on and you can mount mirrors or as I did, mounts for other things like gopro 👍👍
Hi Scott. I’m wondering how you managed to place the two ram mount balls on the steering handles of your bike. Self-made? Or bought? I haven’t run across that accessory yet. Could you help me? Grtz !
Hi. I have also a new R1250RT, but in white 😀. You mentioned in the video, you connected a SENA Helmet. Which type/model of helmet you have? I’m wondering whether a Schuberth C5 helmet could be connected (that all functionalities are working)? I’m currently using a BMW helmet
Na, it's a Schubert R2 helmet with the SC1 communication add in it, it's basically the Sena 10 communication system. You can also put it in the C4 and C4 Pro helmets, but the C5 is a different system, still Sena, I think, but shaped differenlty so I can't move the one I SC1 into the C5 but I can into the C4. ride safe, Scott
No, to your first question and your second question: I think it's because of the amount of data needed to do this navigation, Bluetooth alone can't handle it.
At 60 years old, Im looking for a last bike. To take me into my 70's. Something comfortable. Does your RT suit that. I definitely want something I can easily put both legs down flat footed. The legs aren't what they used to be. I've never taken the Mrs for a ride on my bikes which were a 1200 Bandit then GSX1250, now. Id like something she would be comfortable on.
I can assure you my 2022 Rt I can put my feet flat on the ground. When I purchased my 2015, I thought that would be my last bike. With the 2019 I thought the same. At 65 years old I’m thinking the current model won’t be my last!
Oh yea, not a problem. There are 3 seats you can get with the RT, so one of them should fit you. Normal: 805 / 825 mm - I have mine set at 825mm High seat: 830 / 850 mm Low seat: 760 / 780 mm
so BMW can't give us a 50 cm Bluetooth connection. looks like is wont be trading in my '97 RT. i have no problem trading in my second bike but for my chubby girl i always find some excuse to keep her a little longer. even now when she starts needing more attention and upkeep to keep her spinning.
Then just leave the display on the normal screen, the screen it defaults to when you turn on the ignition. I do that all the time when I know where I'm going. Only use map mode when I don't. 😁👍
@@NothingToProve I don't know if others would be interested, but I would watch a tutorial on that. My connections have been better since the update, but I still wish they would just give us Apple CarPlay/Android Auto. Love the bike, but I bought a Garmin Zumo XT anyway to make sure I don't have nav problems on IBA rides.
This is the second review I've seen recently where a potentially nice European motorcycle disappeared behind complaints about the bike's smart phone integration failing. I work in Technology. One of the reasons I started to ride was to have a refuge FROM technology. Integrating any smart phone feature set with on-board bike systems all but guarantees that technology will no longer be fully functional after about five years or so. I like my bikes to last longer than that. BMW really lost me when their motorcycle show presentation was entirely about how to pair your smart phone technology with their new software display. It's a dumb life cycle decision, it introduces tons of cost and complexity, and al I really want is two clocks and to ride my motorcycle. I just want to know how the bike feels on a hard corner exit. That even in the saddle, we're still talking about the damn phone just makes me sad.
Yes, works great, and it even talks while I'm a phone conversation with person, well, you hear both voices at the same time, it can be confusing. The person on the phone is talking and the Navi is talking too. Sigh...but it works in parallel. 😁👍
The cradle just fits a iPhone 13 pro max without a case, what if I use a larger phone or the fact that most phone gets bigger each year? It’s the dumbest design. Just give Apple car play and android auto for the split screen. The current bmw app that has to keep my screen on and running to use the maps in mirroring mode is archaic and annoying.
2019 BMW 1250 sat nav v1 due for a 3rd unit. crap thing. couple butterfly exhaust valve issues. few niggles. vibration through bars ,clunking in lower gears. etc. check how reliable BMW motorcycles are about 5th 6th on list got rid` now have Honda Goldwing bagger 2021. check out that sat nav. no buyers remorse.
@@NothingToProve My dealer wants to charge me 175 Euro for the firmware update. Do you think I could take the bike to a German shop for a free firmware update?
@@robortkristensen3818 LOL! It's covered under warranty! My dealer charged BMW for it and I signed a document that I requested it and received it and the cost that the dealer charged BMW? 35 euros! You need to set your dealer straight! He sounds like Jack ass.
@@NothingToProve Thanks a lot. I just sent my BMW dealer a message refering to your information asking if its the same also in Norway. To be fair, they would install the firmware for free if I paid them 590 Euro to change the engine oil and brake fluid, but that is work I prefer doing myself both due to the costs, that it takes me less of my own time to DIY then 2 round trips to the dealer and to be sure its done properly...
Just like to relay one concern on the rear axle: On both my latest bikes, 2015 RS and my 2021 RT, the oil in the rear axle quickly gets contaminated with metal particles during the running in periode. BMW tell you to change the 180ml of oil after 1000 and 21000 km, but I highly recommend every 1000 km untill clean then with every engine oil swap.
Why do BMW not have self contained SatNav like they do in their cars rather than this nonsense having to use your phone, at the very least they should have Apple Car Play
Man I love the RT, have the 18' model with the Nav VI and its issues :(. But this technology really seems to be getting in the way of enjoying the scenery as you ride. Seems like you spend about 80-90% of your time managing the electronics and then 90% of the remaining time ensuring road safety, leaving about 2% of the time to enjoy that gorgeous German countryside. I be sticking with my round dial 18' for a few more years at least. Good video though.
Your lucky to have such beautiful roads to ride on.
Love your reviews. I bought a BMW f750gs after watching your review about 5 times.
What a great video for new or existing RT owners. You just cannot get into the weeds like this with fleeting review vids. Thanks Scott 👌
Hi . I really enjoyed this episode. I also have a 2021 r1250rt. I have really learnt a lot. I never miss an episode . I'm from Australia 🇦🇺 and enjoy riding the motorbike. The only problem I had with the bike was the lid for the charging compartment not opening. Love the Scenery that you ride. I hope to come overseas one day. Keep up the great work 👍.
I really appreciate your taking up wifi nav technology. Most reviewers spend no time on it, just repeating marketing claims. I don’t see this technology becoming practical any time soon and am skeptical of paying for multimedia and TFT features.
013/012/050 is the latest now (as if this post) thanks for the latest video Scott , I’ll tune in later on ,,, i have the 1250 rt Monday whilst the 1000xr is in for a service …
Being technically inept, I found this video very helpful to more understand the TFT and all the features. I was missing the simplicity of my 2019. Your video helps me understand the operating system. Looks like I’ll have the latest software update when I bring the bike in for the first service next week.
Appreciate your honesty which is why your video's in my book are the go to reviews. Please keep us posted.
Out on my trusty ‘09 VFR today and noticed (celebrated) what isn’t there. No GPS, no electronic suspension, no communication system, no TFT tablet spitting out data; not even a gear indicator. Just scenery.
Spot on. If you want all that guff just buy a modern well specced car.
Not to mention that as I was watching this, I couldn't help wondering how many people will ride their bikes into ditches, guard rails, other cars, etc because they were fiddling with their electronics instead of watching where the hell they were going.
One reason I’m keeping my Kawasaki GTR 1400 mate, doesn’t have all the electronics to go wrong! Plus parts are a lot cheaper. Ride safe
Excellent feedback re the "process" of how to make the TFT and Nav App work. Thanks VM.
I'm starting to appreciate more my tank bag with a clear plastic cover and a paper map.
thank you for your honesty, ... In South Africa we have yet to come to this level, but for some unexplained reason we do NOT seem to have navigation issues so far with the Motorrad Navigators,🤞🙏 I love your vids and reviews, keep them coming and again a warm thank you! Regards from Still Bay, South Africa.
I like the owner’s perspective videos very very much. All your videos are great but this one was very fun to watch. The country you live in there is amazingly beautiful. Hope you are well! Ride safe.
Like the way you do reviews. I bought a BMW f750 after you review it. Now I want a BMW R1250 RT. Good job.
Sorry 😁
Just brought home my 22 1250 RT yesterday. This is Incredibly helpful and you actually drive on the correct side of the road! (wink)
Great video. It amazes me that any software update would take 3 plus hours in 2022. That is wildly inappropriate. Lol
What a great machine! Nice to see all of these possibilities; thanks Scott!
Nice video. "Real World" reviews are the best and most helpful.
Thank you for the very informative video. I just got a 2022 K1600 with the 10 inch TFT and have never used the BMW Navigation before (always used my Garmin on mt GSA and older K1600). Will take a while to get used to the new system but at least you have shown the basics. Good idea setting the Navigation as a Favourite button!
Another Great Show Scott !
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I Love my BMW’s
R 1200 RT 2016
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Your so Relaxed and Great Scenery
Thank you for this wonderful video. A very important issue, and this kind of informative video can make a difference. Love your presentations and your dedication.
I will definitely update the software. I hate the gps.....thank you so much for the video, excellent job.
Usually the dealership will update it when you bring it in for service, at least mine does, I check it after each to see if the software numbers change 😁😁
My 2021 RS has similar connection problems, sometimes it doesn’t connects the iPhone or the Cardo intercom. Sometimes the solution is to pair again the devices. Good to know there’s a software update. 👍
That's such a huge bike, wow. I'm used to the rninet and tenere 700 😂 even my ex 1250gs looks thin comparing the cockpits. This really is a mile eating machine.
Great perspective! Very valuable owners point of view.
Enhorabuena por el vídeo.
Sería fantástico que pudieran tener traducción al español.
Saludos desde Zaragoza (España )👍✌
Great video Scott, I have a 2020 R1250GS, and the Sat Nav disconnect is very annoying, my bike is due for a service soon must get them to update my software and follow your tips, I really enjoy this type of informative video, Thanks.
Also, be sure your not wearing an Apple Watch. My last upgrade has been the dream bike. The cubby hole will be an issue when it’s hot. It actually will not work despite the fan. The BMW retailer ultimately put my phone outside on the right side. I’ve never had a since. I connect very quickly even after getting fuel. Before I dreaded getting fuel.
Hi Scott, I have been watching your interesting bike reviews from my home here in Quebec, Canada 🇨🇦 for a little more than a year. My question: Are you canadian or american living in germany? Thanks for your work!
Neither, "Michigander" living in Germany 😁🤣😊
@@NothingToProve Hi Scott me again, if I get you right, people from Michigan state consider themselves neither american nor canadian? 😉Can’t wait to get my 1250 gs 2022 this weekend at my dealer in Quebec city.
Where I live winding route mode is basically how high of a chance do you want to to have of dying/riding through a terrible neighborhood where the police don’t even dare venture. Must be amazing to ride where you are
Hi. I'm really enjoying your videos! Can't wait for this technology to be available on RS... Perhaps the next incarnation? Fingers crossed 🤞🏻
Good video to watch especially for users of the RT series.Thanks.(Be interested to hear your views,enjoyment of owning the bike).
Thank you, that will probably come at the end of the summer, after I put some miles on it and do a trip or two or three. Then I will be able to "nitpick" all the little things that one only notices after a while.
take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve Thanks.
Great video! Only what should I do if my phone is little bigger?
How do you listening to your music on your phone?
Nice review. This blue colour really looks amazing 👍.
Can you say your impression about the quickshifter? How is it compared to other bikes (like Multi V4, Tracer 9, Tuono V4, Tiger 1200 GT Pro)?
I have to test ride one to be sure anyway, but can you tell me is it much sportier feeling with its 17inch vs GS?
I’m having issues with the Nav system on my ‘22 RT but i think it’s my lack of understanding all things techie lol. Sirius Satellite radio cutting out is a known issue also and it’s the location of the antenna which is right behind the windshield. Loving the bike so far though!!
hi Scott, I love your videos and presentation vstyle, great explanation of the problem and fix, it's good to hear you got things going, like you I'm an Android guy rather than Apple. lovely scenery on your ride, I love Germany and have done some riding in and around Heidelberg.
Thank you. Great blue berries there in Heidelberg and castle too. The name of the berry is named after the town but today in Germany you can call the blue berry by either name. 👍😊
@@NothingToProve , yes Heidelberg is a beautiful city with lots of history, I used to be enjoyed by SAP with the Global HQ in Waldorf, staying in Heidelberg was the best option when visiting for workshops, etc.
I never notice the owl on the fence post before!
Since I switched to the iphone 13: Perfect connexion with the TFT, flawless, all the time
With my previous iPhone, the XS, it disconnected quite often…
And by the way I still didn’t get the latest TFT update. So it seems to works perfect with the two previous only
Thank you for the info. It's great to hear from owners! 👍
Great video buddy, just a couple of Qs though does the Nav App show you the local speed limit ? About to pick my RT up next week so looking forward to plannng some trips , one will be to the Moto GP in Aus later in the year
Yes it does
@@NothingToProve thanks for getting back to me so quickly , do you know if you will see the same maps view you see on a iPhone when connected to bike via Motorad App
It's TomTom maps and real time logic used. BMW bought the rights to use them. I don't have an iPhone so don't have a clue as to what iPhone looks like.
take care,
Scott
Thanks for sharing….. but damn is that bike blue…. Did I say blue….. I meant bluuuuue
Deeeeeep Bluuuuuue Seeeeeeeea. :)
And I LOVE it! 🤗
I don’t believe in BMW Motorrad navigation. I bought a Garmin for my GS and it’s doing a great job. The fact that you can control the BMW nav with the wheel doesn’t weigh out its stupid price and some of its outdated features.
It's TomTom navigation, not BMW. BMW entered into a partnership several years ago, it's the same in their BMW cars too. BMW just brought it over from the car division to the motorcycle division.
And that's the reason I don use the BMW App anymore on my GS1250. The only place I can have my phone is in my jacket pocket and it always used to "disconnect" from the TFT. Now everything goes through the satnav and it's fine no matter where I have the phone.
I have the f900xr like you and it came with the nav support but the nav6 is sooooo bad that I’m thinking of using just the app with the turn by turn OR getting a tomtom rider adapter for the nav mount….. dunno which one to choose
I really enjoy your videos. Keep it up. Do you have any plans to make trip videos again on the R1250RT similar to your F900 XR trip videos from the Alps?
Thank you, yea, probably this June I'll go back to the Alps...probably.
take care,
Scott
Such a pretty stream
Hello Scott. Let me be the first one to comment on this new video. Thank you very much for this information. I ordered my bike (JUST LIKE YOURS) 1/6/22 and it was delivered to me here in the Chicago area on 4/6/22. I just went out to the garage to check the software version, and it is the 2022 Spring version 012008040! I have about 160 miles on it now after taking it on the maiden voyage up to Wisconsin last weekend. Would you tell me what option you have for your number three button to show the full map version? I had troubles displaying that on my trip (Due to my inexperience with the system) even though I was able to get the turn by turn to show on the right side. Other than that the navigation worked perfectly for me too. Please provide more videos on THIS bike as they are what I am interested in, as your subscriber. Thank you and ride safe. 😊
I feel your pain. My software has to be updated as well. A bit of a learning curve regarding the TFT screen. I have 360 miles on mine, having issues displaying the full screen for navigation. Perhaps the update will address the issue.
Good stuff Scott!!
#NewSoftwareUpdate #BMW #RT #1250 SW 013_012_050 Version! 5 Oct 2022
And finally, new software update! I would like to make some side comments here about it, although I´ve only ridden around 60 km,
- now the Gps voice instructions play over radio (at least over DAB radio), so no more missing turns!
- Favorite buttons: you can choose over quite a nice list of options, from heating menus, to main menus, or radio and media directly, including Gps.
- as far as connection: new Bluetooth icon during searching.
Later edit: - during a phone call the screen stays in split screen with maps on the right side! no more interruptions!
Thank you! Did you mean 2022 and not "2023" for the this new update?
@@NothingToProve Right on, already changed! thanks
Great! next service I'll have mine updated!
I am looking to add the exact RAM mounts that you have on your bike. Can you help me out here? What RAM part numbers do I need? And, is there a hidden threaded socket under the black plastic piece behind the SOS call door on the clutch side? Can I just remove a cover and screw in the RAM mount? I assume I need either P/N RAM-B-349 (M10 x 1.25) or RAM-B-349-1U (M10 x 1.5)?? Thanks!!
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Another thing I do when getting fuel I press the black on button, but I don’t start while Getting fuel. It’s actually on and working while filling up
Servus, nice videos I must say! I was for the first service in Rosenheim, and also specifically asked for the software update, off course I took a picture before, and they said: yes it's done", but what to see: same version! Then the usual" yeah,we have to call BMW central..." . I stil have issues with disconnections after recieving a call. I have to stop the bike disconnect and all. Any suggestions?! Thanks!
It sounds like your phone is taking priority away from the BMW app, check those settings. But I've noticed that too, when using the phone for anything else while using the BMW app, it will often disconnect the Map Mode but will usually find it back but once this happens, then it is more apt to disconnect.
It's new tech and no other OEM has it as good as this. I mean there are other OEM's doing this same thing (Ducati, Triumph, Honda) but it's much worse, except for maybe the Honda AT but that is only for iPhone and not android. That has always been BMW's problem then want to be the first/leader in new tech but that often comes with a price/problems.
take care,
Scott
I am very happy with my 2020 model :P I would hate to have to have the phone not on me, my take for that is if I have an accident and I am separated of the motorcycle, I will rather have the phone on me. Not sure my S21 ultra would fit anyway :P
Hi Scott,
Does the BMW navigation re-route automatically in the case of a traffic jam?
Since I live in the Netherlands I am allowed to use Waze, that is the navigation I use now…
Kind regards,
Harm Salemink
No, the App does not recommend alternative navigation routes in the event of traffic jams. But the app takes the current traffic situation into account when planning the route according to the navigation settings in the menu "More" then "navigation setting" then "consider traffic" at the bottom right of your BMW Motorrad Connected App, . Which does not help in real time but hey, it's a free app. I would pay to have BMW to offer this as an option but for now, they don't 😢
take care,
Scott
Awesome bike👍
If I were shopping for BMW, this video is enough of an incentive to find another Nav solution. It seems to be slow and cumbersome compared to smartphone apps. Case in point, the scene at the petrol station; in this modern era it should not take over minute to get the electronics up and running.
Actually this is the smart phone app you are seeing there. The smart phone sends its display to the TFT via WiFi. This all needs some time to initialize and sync.
Very informative! Is there a wired connection offered in the glove box or is it just Bluetooth?
No it's just closer to the receiving antenna for both Bluetooth and WiFi with nothing in the way. 😁
Are u hearing voice directions on your helmet speakers? As well as seeing the turn by turn and or road?
Yes, if you connect your helmet, sure.
Any updates on this? Im about to buy a 2023 and want to make sure the dealer loads latest update 😊
No clue right now, but I will get a clue when I take it in for service next month, March. But a brand new bike, will have the latest software, well, if it's really a 23. There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when they do updates, well, at least I don't see a pattern.
Have fun with your new bike! Take care,
Scott
When your phone is connected and in navigating the GPS route, do you find induction charging isn't enough juice?
I have to have mine plugged in to increase charge in my phone. Bit of a pain since the phone cubby is too small when you have it plugged in to the USB charger.
It really depends on the phone, my Samsung S20 FE, it actually lost a little charge but this year I upgraded to the S22, just the normal version and I will always end up with more at the end of a ride. For example if I start out with 50% battery life and at the end of a long ride, it will be at 80 to 90% charge. I just got back from Sardinia Italy, 10 days there riding every day. And most mornings I'd start with around 60-80% charged and I'd end the day with 98-100% charged, so as I'm getting off the bike and into the hotel most guys are saying I need to charge my phone, NOT me, I'm still taking pictures and videos of the ride with my phone that is fully charged Loved that fact!
So it depends on the phone and how it manages power...I guess???
take care,
Scott
P.S. My old S9 did about the same as the S22, so I only lost % on the S20FE of the 3 phones.
@NothingToProve Thank you!
Will try playing with it some more. Might be my phone case or something slowing down induction. Just got the bike new 3 weeks ago so it's a steep learning curve!
Good video... honest
Will the phone connect to the GPS module if it’s mounted on the RAM mount that you have on the handlebars?
Yes. There is no difference.
Has anyone had issues with the wireless charge compartment continuously charging your iPhone?
When I place my phone on the wireless charging pad inside the compartment, it starts charging it shows a green light and my phone shows that it’s receiving a charge.
After about five seconds it’ll stop charging and the light will turn flashing orange.
10 seconds later it’ll start charging again on its own, then it’ll go in and out in and out repeatedly every few seconds.
I have the ‘…030’ software version.
iPhone 13 pro.
It happens with or without the Apple MagSafe phone case.
Thanks !
Sorry, I have not had that problem. I've tried it with the Samsung S8, S9 & 2 different S20's, so 4 different phones and none of them has this charging problem. Maybe take it back to your BMW dealer and ask them to check it out, maybe there is a defect with the charger.
Anyone else have a suggestion?
Hi Scott, a reassuring video in light of the fact I will be picking up my 1250RT in June. Have you had any problem with the exhaust flap valve too? Mike
Na, nothing else as of yet but believe me if I do, I'll make a video 😁😊👍
@@NothingToProve Thanks Scott. I have been told by the service dept of dealership I’ve purchased my bike from that BMW have modified this known issue, so fingers crossed they have (and save you some editing time)😂.
One other thing I meant to ask…where do we go on line to see the latest software version available?
I have no idea, sorry. I was just checking some RT forums and ran across the software numbers. OEMs usually don't like to give out this information cause then they have to do it when the customer asks for it...for free :(
How is your Sat Nav and Media system working now Scott? Still having nightmares losing connection?
It's better but it's like the system has good days and bad days. Some days it never fails but just this last Thursday I went out for a 5 hour ride with Karl the 1290SAS guy and it disconnected 3 times and would not reconnect while riding, so had to pull over and shut off bike...etc. to get going again. It really frustrated me. But on Monday I did a 4 hour ride by myself and it never disconnected at all. So I'm at a loss for why it does this...sigh...frustrated...confused...wondering if it's an App on the phone that's interfering with the BMW app...or BMW just does not like riding next to KTM...LOL!
@@NothingToProve I think this assessment definitely proves vehicles are female.
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I collected last week my 2022 Triple Black RT with 719 saddles and 719 covers… it is a beauty and just finished the 1000km service… i saw you put the mounts on the sos button and another mount on the handlebar left. What are these? And where can we get those? ;-)
I too have the triple black 22 RT with the 719 billet package and the sport alloy wheels. A nice machine indeed!
Well, if you have a friend that has a GS/RS/R/XR, you can steal the back side of the clutch/brake levers, the side facing you while riding, and swap them for theirs. But then they won't be able to mount their mirrors 🤣🤣🙄
Or you can just order them from Wunderlich: RT Hand guards mounting kit for SOS-system or if you don't have SOS...too...I do so I got the SOS one.
Then you just pop off the stock and put these on and you can mount mirrors or as I did, mounts for other things like gopro 👍👍
Hi Scott. I’m wondering how you managed to place the two ram mount balls on the steering handles of your bike. Self-made? Or bought? I haven’t run across that accessory yet. Could you help me? Grtz !
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Hi, take a look at this short video 😁👍
@@NothingToProve I need this video back! This is my current question, but the video link does not work.
Hi. I have also a new R1250RT, but in white 😀. You mentioned in the video, you connected a SENA Helmet. Which type/model of helmet you have? I’m wondering whether a Schuberth C5 helmet could be connected (that all functionalities are working)? I’m currently using a BMW helmet
Na, it's a Schubert R2 helmet with the SC1 communication add in it, it's basically the Sena 10 communication system. You can also put it in the C4 and C4 Pro helmets, but the C5 is a different system, still Sena, I think, but shaped differenlty so I can't move the one I SC1 into the C5 but I can into the C4.
ride safe,
Scott
@@NothingToProve thanks Scott. Safe Ride. Regards from Switzerland
If the phone locks on its own does that disable the full screen navigation? Why did they even use WiFi for this???
No, to your first question and your second question: I think it's because of the amount of data needed to do this navigation, Bluetooth alone can't handle it.
Nice review Scott
What do I have to do to use button 3 for Nav.?
Thanks a lot
This video helped me, you need at least one update if you bought yours in spring/summer last year.
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At 60 years old, Im looking for a last bike. To take me into my 70's. Something comfortable. Does your RT suit that. I definitely want something I can easily put both legs down flat footed. The legs aren't what they used to be. I've never taken the Mrs for a ride on my bikes which were a 1200 Bandit then GSX1250, now. Id like something she would be comfortable on.
I can assure you my 2022 Rt I can put my feet flat on the ground. When I purchased my 2015, I thought that would be my last bike. With the 2019 I thought the same. At 65 years old I’m thinking the current model won’t be my last!
Oh yea, not a problem. There are 3 seats you can get with the RT, so one of them should fit you.
Normal: 805 / 825 mm - I have mine set at 825mm
High seat: 830 / 850 mm
Low seat: 760 / 780 mm
Me too at 63. I decided to get the RT. Coming in November.
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so BMW can't give us a 50 cm Bluetooth connection. looks like is wont be trading in my '97 RT. i have no problem trading in my second bike but for my chubby girl i always find some excuse to keep her a little longer. even now when she starts needing more attention and upkeep to keep her spinning.
It's always good to give a girl attention!
"I'm happy with my KTM 1290 SAS, I don't need the BMW R1250RT!" and other lies I keep telling myself 😩
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Call me old fashioned but I wanna ride a bike, not a computer.
Then just leave the display on the normal screen, the screen it defaults to when you turn on the ignition. I do that all the time when I know where I'm going. Only use map mode when I don't. 😁👍
Take a while to get used to that I think😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦
Can you upload custom routes (made in BaseCamp or other software) as .gpx file format?
Yep, done it and vice versa.
@@NothingToProve I don't know if others would be interested, but I would watch a tutorial on that. My connections have been better since the update, but I still wish they would just give us Apple CarPlay/Android Auto. Love the bike, but I bought a Garmin Zumo XT anyway to make sure I don't have nav problems on IBA rides.
Jeez. What a pain.
This is the second review I've seen recently where a potentially nice European motorcycle disappeared behind complaints about the bike's smart phone integration failing.
I work in Technology.
One of the reasons I started to ride was to have a refuge FROM technology.
Integrating any smart phone feature set with on-board bike systems all but guarantees that technology will no longer be fully functional after about five years or so. I like my bikes to last longer than that.
BMW really lost me when their motorcycle show presentation was entirely about how to pair your smart phone technology with their new software display. It's a dumb life cycle decision, it introduces tons of cost and complexity, and al I really want is two clocks and to ride my motorcycle.
I just want to know how the bike feels on a hard corner exit. That even in the saddle, we're still talking about the damn phone just makes me sad.
Yea but that is the only thing I can complain about with this bike. I love it, will never get rid of it. 👍😁
Are you getting audio turn by turn through your Sena?
Yes, works great, and it even talks while I'm a phone conversation with person, well, you hear both voices at the same time, it can be confusing. The person on the phone is talking and the Navi is talking too. Sigh...but it works in parallel. 😁👍
The cradle just fits a iPhone 13 pro max without a case, what if I use a larger phone or the fact that most phone gets bigger each year? It’s the dumbest design. Just give Apple car play and android auto for the split screen. The current bmw app that has to keep my screen on and running to use the maps in mirroring mode is archaic and annoying.
The right exhaust looks awful. Rust?
Na, just the reflection of light off the ground.
2019 BMW 1250 sat nav v1 due for a 3rd unit. crap thing.
couple butterfly exhaust valve issues.
few niggles.
vibration through bars ,clunking in lower gears. etc.
check how reliable BMW motorcycles are about 5th 6th on list
got rid` now have Honda Goldwing bagger 2021.
check out that sat nav.
no buyers remorse.
I’m glad I kept my Navigation 5 for my 2019. No problems with the bike or navigation. Traded it for a 2022 Rt
You definitely need a better microphone 😎
This bike is the best bike money can buy. well I think so anyway. I dont care about the color. black on black is beautiful though
Yea, I really like that color too, it's just that they had this there and were willing to make a good deal with me on it, so I took the blue 😊👍😁
24 hours for a software update… sorry BMW this is not acceptable… the reason I prefer a separate GPS, if not working trie it away and buy new one 👍
na, it's just 3-4 hours for a software update but it's free, a new GPS isn't. :(
@@NothingToProve My dealer wants to charge me 175 Euro for the firmware update. Do you think I could take the bike to a German shop for a free firmware update?
@@robortkristensen3818 LOL! It's covered under warranty! My dealer charged BMW for it and I signed a document that I requested it and received it and the cost that the dealer charged BMW? 35 euros!
You need to set your dealer straight! He sounds like Jack ass.
@@NothingToProve Thanks a lot. I just sent my BMW dealer a message refering to your information asking if its the same also in Norway. To be fair, they would install the firmware for free if I paid them 590 Euro to change the engine oil and brake fluid, but that is work I prefer doing myself both due to the costs, that it takes me less of my own time to DIY then 2 round trips to the dealer and to be sure its done properly...
Just like to relay one concern on the rear axle: On both my latest bikes, 2015 RS and my 2021 RT, the oil in the rear axle quickly gets contaminated with metal particles during the running in periode. BMW tell you to change the 180ml of oil after 1000 and 21000 km, but I highly recommend every 1000 km untill clean then with every engine oil swap.
Not an Apple guy!? 🤔
ET go home 😂
Why do BMW not have self contained SatNav like they do in their cars rather than this nonsense having to use your phone, at the very least they should have Apple Car Play
I'd take a a five minute look at a map and a reduction in the asking price any day of the week.