yo at 13:30 I was so glad to stopped to explain. I'm telling you dude, keep up the madden style break down. It's entertaining and educational, double whammieeee
This was not really 1 vs 2, they had same resources. And actually Randy had more because of team sharing. But still very good. This was just not only Randy at the top.
Strawberry's duck play was perfectly timed. I was surprised not to see any ducks from blue team, because what else saves you after losing sea in that situation? GG 👍👍
"It really makes me nervous to see that commander that far forward, especially in a naval battle. 1 or 2 bad engagements can really *turn the tide*" 👏👏😂
Blue horded all the res tbh. Shamon had the least amount of res points throughout the game in the starting location. He called it out too, but was ignored. He has 26 metal income at 15 while the next player has double.
@@shakalpro Probably because he was also air, which takes a large amount of energy. By the he time his necessary supporting air role was over, he was so far behind the curve due to lack of mex's and his expensive build path, that he was effectively out of the game. His porc'd area was also almost immediately overrun by Vanaja's wallet.
People saying blue lost because of Shamon don't understand that these games were sliders down, highly cooperative and Shamon was boosting green's Navy the entire game
That's a good point, but I can't help thinking that Shamon should've shared less and done more personally. Both of their teammates had a ton of things to keep track of, while Shamon had almost nothing going on the entire game. It may have been a 3v3 resource-wise, but this certainly looked like a 2v3 as far as APM is concerned.
He could of done things, especially early on, with 0 metal cost. Maybe flying the com in the southern area to deny those 8 mexes from vanaja and thus opening another front. it was all scouted he had the info, unfortunately some players play the same every game and don't improvise, that's the difference between a pro and a good player. BTW last video I have seen a better role of supporting the team from a 13 os 3 chev. He was playing as eco and he was just giving fusions and different kind of eco while also ECOING and then went t3. Doing what shamon did was just, not playing. Might as well alt f4 and give the com to the sea so he can afk build t1 eco. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
@@and-for_GoD i mean going for another shipyard and just spaming sub or reapers or the those cheapest boats would have overwhelm the other players too.
Green honestly threw the naval war massively at 8:00 when he pushed those defenseless frigates further towards orange instead of pulling them back or at least self-destructing them. After giving all that metal to orange he lost the advantage he got from shamon's boosting, which could only really be capitalized on in the early game before economies scale. After that he should've pivoted into scaling or put land pressure on orange from the south. Though to be fair, being a solid 20 skill points below your teammates is not an enviable situation lol
Water in BAR is very steamrolly and highly dependent on having air support so people don't like it. A single stray shot or a few shuris emping a single ship at the 5m mark can decide the game but it will take 30m to fully kill off the other player. Asymmetric maps like these are built on the idea that one side is supposed to win and go support the other side, but 70% of the time it will be land winning first because water takes so long. So people don't like this map in BAR because playing water you can't have as much impact and the meta just becomes feeding land and rushing trans for them so they win even more quickly.
Nah, blue didn't lost because of start positions. They were valid as well maybe even better. They lost imo because shamon didn't leave hardly a footprint in that game. He could have supported sea more with drones, bombing seas energy, going t2, conquering backline with hovers... Was expecting all the time that he pushes to the other side on bottom right, building a factory there and going for opponent sea player.
@@Nebuchadwicknezzar ah... That thing I have overseen. Did already wonder were his resources did go. But anyway, still think the start positions weren't a problem. Randy did well 1v2. South did some bad trades. Just didn't play out well and in the end somebody had to win also if all would have taken the same positions.
"procedural" not "programmed" same difference though (as in both words have the same functional meaning in this case). ...huh, acronym finder has it wrong so that might be a big part of what's going on?: the term is *much* older than you'd think (as part of mathematics professional language) to the point where it predates complex analogue computers it's just only very recently that it became even remotely mainstream as part of gaming culture.
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yo at 13:30 I was so glad to stopped to explain. I'm telling you dude, keep up the madden style break down. It's entertaining and educational, double whammieeee
Poor pro_randy. That was an excellent 1 vs 2 up on the north, Winning until sea was lost.
GG to both teams.
Yeah i don't think he was that far away from pulling off a total 1v2 victory, which would've been a herculean feat.
@@SildarHazelshade yup. He is a great player.
This was not really 1 vs 2, they had same resources. And actually Randy had more because of team sharing. But still very good. This was just not only Randy at the top.
@mcblanc900 2 players worth of apm vs 1.
Strawberry's duck play was perfectly timed. I was surprised not to see any ducks from blue team, because what else saves you after losing sea in that situation?
GG 👍👍
"It really makes me nervous to see that commander that far forward, especially in a naval battle. 1 or 2 bad engagements can really *turn the tide*" 👏👏😂
What was Shamon doing for the whole game? Apart from a small supporting push at the beginning and symbolic air play?
Blue horded all the res tbh. Shamon had the least amount of res points throughout the game in the starting location. He called it out too, but was ignored. He has 26 metal income at 15 while the next player has double.
@@BartJBols Then why didnt he just up the eco a little bit? It felt like he was just idle.
@@shakalpro Probably because he was also air, which takes a large amount of energy. By the he time his necessary supporting air role was over, he was so far behind the curve due to lack of mex's and his expensive build path, that he was effectively out of the game. His porc'd area was also almost immediately overrun by Vanaja's wallet.
Great game, I wonder what it would look like if Randy's brilliant defense of the forward T2 lab at 9:04 had worked out.
People saying blue lost because of Shamon don't understand that these games were sliders down, highly cooperative and Shamon was boosting green's Navy the entire game
That's a good point, but I can't help thinking that Shamon should've shared less and done more personally. Both of their teammates had a ton of things to keep track of, while Shamon had almost nothing going on the entire game. It may have been a 3v3 resource-wise, but this certainly looked like a 2v3 as far as APM is concerned.
He could of done things, especially early on, with 0 metal cost. Maybe flying the com in the southern area to deny those 8 mexes from vanaja and thus opening another front. it was all scouted he had the info, unfortunately some players play the same every game and don't improvise, that's the difference between a pro and a good player.
BTW last video I have seen a better role of supporting the team from a 13 os 3 chev. He was playing as eco and he was just giving fusions and different kind of eco while also ECOING and then went t3. Doing what shamon did was just, not playing. Might as well alt f4 and give the com to the sea so he can afk build t1 eco. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
@@and-for_GoD i mean going for another shipyard and just spaming sub or reapers or the those cheapest boats would have overwhelm the other players too.
@@Yayaloy9 yup. Anything other than wasting metal on air afk
Green honestly threw the naval war massively at 8:00 when he pushed those defenseless frigates further towards orange instead of pulling them back or at least self-destructing them. After giving all that metal to orange he lost the advantage he got from shamon's boosting, which could only really be capitalized on in the early game before economies scale. After that he should've pivoted into scaling or put land pressure on orange from the south. Though to be fair, being a solid 20 skill points below your teammates is not an enviable situation lol
Really seemed to be a race between Vanaja and Randy. Awesome match!
oh hey it's another FAF map, dual gap!
I'm curious if this one will also become a community favorite here too
I like it myself.
Its played here and there, but certainly not as popular as dual gap was in FAF. Doesn't help that a lot of people seem afraid of water in BAR
Water in BAR is very steamrolly and highly dependent on having air support so people don't like it. A single stray shot or a few shuris emping a single ship at the 5m mark can decide the game but it will take 30m to fully kill off the other player. Asymmetric maps like these are built on the idea that one side is supposed to win and go support the other side, but 70% of the time it will be land winning first because water takes so long.
So people don't like this map in BAR because playing water you can't have as much impact and the meta just becomes feeding land and rushing trans for them so they win even more quickly.
Another 3v3! Loving the small team format videos!
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Nooo
Feel like this was determined completely by the orange and green. Orange one and carried the win.
More Brightworks :D
imagine if light blue did something
Keep in mind this was Vanaja after 10 drinks too
This was a 2v3 the whole game. Shamon did nothing...
Shamon paid for the navy
@@DaniRadriendil yeah really worked for them didnt it
Nah, blue didn't lost because of start positions. They were valid as well maybe even better. They lost imo because shamon didn't leave hardly a footprint in that game. He could have supported sea more with drones, bombing seas energy, going t2, conquering backline with hovers... Was expecting all the time that he pushes to the other side on bottom right, building a factory there and going for opponent sea player.
He tried to do that but was shut down by Vanaja's com. He couldnt build a lab because he was boosting green.
@@Nebuchadwicknezzar ah... That thing I have overseen. Did already wonder were his resources did go. But anyway, still think the start positions weren't a problem. Randy did well 1v2. South did some bad trades. Just didn't play out well and in the end somebody had to win also if all would have taken the same positions.
Nice game
BAR is such aw ild game
"procedural" not "programmed" same difference though (as in both words have the same functional meaning in this case).
...huh, acronym finder has it wrong so that might be a big part of what's going on?: the term is *much* older than you'd think (as part of mathematics professional language) to the point where it predates complex analogue computers it's just only very recently that it became even remotely mainstream as part of gaming culture.
Red team selected better starting positions