AI Alfa Romeo Scratch Build Series: Initial wires for the wireform (Episode 4)
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AI Alfa Romeo Scratch Build Series: Initial wires for the wireform
AI Alfa Romeo Scratch Build Series:
Episode 3: • AI Alfa Romeo Scratch ...
Episode 2: • Alfa Romeo Scratch Bui...
Episode 1: • Alfa Romeo Scratch Bui...
How to design your own AI Car: • How to Design Your Car...
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I love your channel Wray. I'm 28 and just got my first English Wheel and am currently working on a roof skin to delete a sunroof on my 240sx. I've been watching for awhile, you're a gift!
I had a 240sx and deleting would have been on my list if I could have kept the car.
I noticed it was way easier to see your work with the wire with a solid white background. The contrast is better than having all the machinery behind the wireform.
Clamp some light colored sheets to the back side of the frame to make the backdrop?
Ep 4. Sir, you have my full, undivided attention. I've never been drawn into a channel like this before.
love the rolling stool. must have for those of us “of a certain age”. 👍
Brilliant Wray, great concept and I love your idea of an AI developed car show. Great stuff.
Awesome build! It should be called WAD, Wire Aided Design.
This is going to be so great, scratch built a beautiful car. Best project I could imagine to show what's behind the curtain of making magic. Also, I'm from 200 hundred years ago so Wray needs a wizards hat to really sell it.
Thank you Wray, you are a rare gem
Wray, things evolve & mature most notibly "Wild Hairs" 😆
My take, keep moving w/ the original pic. I would like to see some form of "Kamm" tail treatment. 👍👍
Inspiring and educational. Looking forward to the continuing build of this art form. Regards Wray, nick rodgers sculptor watching from Spain
Just when I thought I had this addiction under control......Fantastic video Wray!
long videos are the best
you learn in more detail
Glad to hear that!
I love the step by step process. I can't wait for the next installment.
Thanks for the video Wray.
Thank you for watching!
I'm excited!
Great installment on the new scratch build!!
Car looks great, I think rolling the engine and trans behind the wire frame would help visualizing the scale and that windshield looks like a Triumph Spitfire, that would also be a hard point to work from.
We decided for the time being to cut out a cardboard template and use that to help us visualize everything. Thank you for watching, if you have any other questions or ideas please let us know!
you should make the videos longer. people can run it faster if they want.
NONE of the cars we all love and enjoy existed before they were a drawing or just an idea in someone's head. Question for you Wray: Considering the expense and complexity of having a custom windshield made, what about designing around an existing windshield? Maybe ask the AI to include a windshield from another vehicle such as a Triumph or MG or ???
+1
Great question! I was thinking the same
Sure, but if I understand correctly, they're illegal for road use in some states.
@@Broody58
We are definitely thinking about using a pre existing windshield but at this point are still unsure. When we start to really fill in the hood with secondary lines, we are going to see how a few of the windshields we have in the shop fit into the wire form.
Hail the algorithm!
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It is the true master that shares his secrets. Thank you.
$h!T! I'm in trouble now....I built 2 fully enclosed all aluminum "unibody" style snowmobile trailers....built my own bender and roller to facilitate this project...and I thought I would never do another "body" project....but now...I find myself visualizing another "always wanted one of those" projects
Damn you Wraaaay! 😆😆😁🤪😁🤪😁🤔🤨😁🤪🤪
You are encouraging many people Wray, thanks for being the teacher you are.
Regards from Switzerland 👍💪✌
I appreciate that!
Love your work Wray! Wish I lived closer to be able to swing by and help out! I'll have to settle for watching it online.
Nice Work.
#STAYSAFE
#PHILLYPHILLY 🇺🇸
We're in an era of generative AI that will never be repeated. Although there is even better to come, in its very imperfection and limitations the AI generation in these early years has traits that will have been "bred out" of the cannier AIs that will surely follow. Although every day there's a chance of finding an even better design, picking one and getting started is a chance to build something "of the era." I've picked mine.
We would love to see pictures of the build, I'm thrilled to hear this!
Seriously Wray i find this process so exciting and inspirational, Don't listen to the people that are limited Scratch building a car ... i love it. I just wish you had more to share now... i mean i want all the information now :) Keep up the good work!
Sketching with wire. It's a very forgiving medium and lets you develop your ideas as you go, very nice! Were I a younger man...
Hey, I'm73, one of my employees is 79.
@@proshaper In 1999 I moved from Northern Virginia to the Lakes District of New Hampshire. I sold my home built English wheel, metal brakes, and lathe. My unheated two car garage is occupied with a 2006 Jaguar Xj8 and a 2016 Jaguar F-type, but I've daydreamed of opening up my basement to allow a car in. It has heat and good electrical service, 220. A man can dream.
I love this process.
Loving the videos Wray and team. Four down, lots more to go and can't wait to see the progress. Great job guys!
Thanks 👍
If you have a side view image, you can use a pc projector to project the life size profile onto a screen.
I have tried that in the past, it is too pixelated. See my videos on how I use a fullsize drawing board.
Before creating the body, it would make sense to define the inside space for the occupants to sit, move controls,see out, &c, so the body can fit around that volume. An outline on cardboard should be enough to prevent any conflicts.
I'm on top of it I did this over 30 years ago, for the first time.
Love your work. I just wished I could do metal work like that.
If I can teach my employee Mark to do this, then anyone can! Mark came to me with zero knowledge about anything, he was just an office guy. He listened (sometimes) to my direction and learned from many mistakes, but now he is my right hand man!
What an incredible talent! #respect
This is going to be fantastic good onya mate
Wonderful
Nice start ✨
The few times I did complete ground up built I always set the wheelbase by positionning the front and rear ends, a mock up of the tires diameters, position the engine and trans or a cut out of them and the driver seat because it tells me if there's room for a pedal assembly and if I need to widen or lengthen the habitable zone. So I know the volume occupied by the main components and that it's comfortable.
I need to visualize those things. Maybe because I don't have your experience or that you actually can do things because you just know or can visualize things in your head.
I recon that having those mechanical components in the way can be and are sometimes a pain, plus that means occupied shop floor and it can't be moved around.
I never did wire forms, but for my next one I will definitively.
I'm paying $10 for 10ft of 5mm wire in my country so it's definitively not as good a deal as it's in the US.
This is very good information
Think of the Jag x 120 drop head coupe when determining the hood length. The extended cowl makes for a gorgeous long wheel base and long front end.
Wray - is it possible for you to show AI the image you’re working from and ask it to create an image for the rear end? Would be interesting to see.
Loving this content 👍🏻
It would be sweet to have it do a side top and back view of the same car
Not yet, but maybe I'm not giving AI enough credit. I like the challenge of designing the rear end.
Good vid 👌
Thanks bud! Hope you can come down sometime this year and check it out!
@@proshaper absolutely
Hi Wray & Folks,
J’adhère totalement au design et la façon de faire le master de carrosserie avec ces stubs, effectivement bien plus efficiente que la méthode du contreplaqué bien plus fastidieuse. Ah si seulement l'IA pouvait nous donner directement les mesures pour les profilés de pliage et pas seulement la forme generale, ce serait une facilité supplémentaire pour l'aboutissement du rêve de Mr ''tout le monde'' pour créer sa propre voiture...
Better build information will come from the software, be patient.
Juste comme une forme de suggestion quant à déterminer les dimentios, une fois que vous connaissez le diamètre des pneus que vous allez utiliser, vous pouvez utiliser un dessin de grille en papel et mesurer les dimentions de la hauteur du pneu et utilisez-le comme outil de mesure. Par exemple, le haut de l’aile avant est de 1,3 hauteur de pneu... l’empattement est de 3,5 diamètres de pneus d’un essieu à l’autre... et cetera.
@@andrekocsis2215 Salut, Merci pour tes précisions, effectivement les dimensions des pneus sont importantes dans le calcul des proportions, mais comme l'a précisé si justement Wray, j'attends désormais, la suite de l'intervention avec le logiciel d'IA... Merci encore a vous deux...
Mr. Wray, I don't want to teach you how to do your job, but watching the beginning of the third episode and the creation of the wire template, how you start with the design, one question arose that seems logical to me. Why didn't you put two tires that will be on the car? That would give you some image in my head regarding the height, and of course the wheelbase I think is important for the entire scale of the car.
Thanks for the answer, and I'm looking forward to the next video (it can be longer, I don't mind :))
Greetings from Serbia
I haven't got to it yet, you are jumping ahead. (Smile)
Wray its impossible to criticize an experts work, but I wish the videos wouldn't jump about, im waiting for the work to start on the GTV, but we seem to gone to scratch build on AI Alfa Romeo sport
We will work on the GTV motor and components, not on the car itself. Work on the components will be months and months from now.
Hi Wray
Hi back at you!
I would say that given you are using a donor vehicle, use the same wheel base as a starter and track width also to mark out a rectangle to give you something to start from, with the frame you made in the middle and go from there
I'm doing that .
Thanks so much Wray - I’m lovin’ this!
A few observations for fun:
1 - I can’t help thinking the windshield’s a bit too far forward to get the Ferrari GTO-like proportions I see in the illustration.
2 - The GTV was a 2+2 car. In this sports car remake isn’t the driver gonna be sitting just a little forward of the old back seats? That means there’s going to be a lot of room between the new dash/firewall and the engine, right? Can the engine be slid back in the chassis?
3 - I’m torn about the rear-end treatment! I adore cars with tapered tails like old 911s and boat-tail Alfa Spiders, but it’s hard to deny Kamm tails like the 250 GTO and Daytona Coupe. Decisions, decisions! Maybe something in the middle like a Triumph GT6 Mk1 or Karmann Ghia?
I’m always looking forward to the next one!
Keep watching, everything is adjustable at this stage. If there are mistakes I will see them. Everything is a mistake, until it isn't.
@@proshaperOh yeah, I’m definitely gonna keep watching! Regarding “Everything is a mistake, until it isn't.”: ln the jazz music world we call that “innovation” ;^)
Awesome as usual. At this stage would it be helpful to make some “2d” wheels that are freestanding to help with layout and design even though they are in a different plane?
Keep watching, the wheels are coming.
Check the windscreen rake: looks too upright.
Yes, that will change, every thing is fluid at this point.
Have Mark look up photogrammetry. You have one known dimension of the AI car {wheelbase} due to the donor car. you may also know the wheel diameter? Doing it manually, using a dividers on the picture's wheel centers and transfer that wheelbase to graph paper. Then using the dividers you can take any measurement or line (tracing paper) off the pic and transfer it to the graph paper. Having the one known dimension allows you to come up with a scale to enlarge any part of the pic to full size. There's the complication of angle on the pic view so it's not a direct measurement, some math involved there. I understand there's software that will do all that for you, but have no experience in the field
You should watch my videos where i do full-scale drawings.
Wouldn’t it be better to have a larger 90 degree angle picture to work from. I enjoy the videos by the way
Yes, but the picture I have is all that I got from Midjourney the AI program.
You'd maybe like to watch the first video in this series where he covers your point 🙂
Thanks for making this series Wray! I'm so excited to see how this comes out.
I'm wondering, would it make sense at this point to identify a donor windshield that might work? I think P1800 was discussed along with other various Alfa donors. I know a big roadblock on some these ideas is dealing with the safety glass windshield question.
To use a off the shelf windshield or have a custom one made. That is the question.
Absolutely. Using off the shelf glass was a common approach with a lot of kit cars in the past, usually with poor results. I think the Fiberfab Jamaican was one of the few original designs that pulled it off.
With your sense for the aesthetic and metal shaping skills I think if anyone can make it all work it'll be you.
Thanks again for the inspiration and instruction.
@@mikeblommel9091 The most common reason is that these kit cars usually went with the least expensive windshield... therefore the kit car never really looked as good as it could have. I don't think that Wray will cheap out on a lower priced windshield and build the car around that. I don't think that the cost of buying the exact existing windshield or having one specially made would a factor after investing so much time and effort to get it to look right. Just my thoughts.
@andrekocsis2215 I agree completely. I doubt Wray will go down that path either, but if an off the shelf windshield can be found that harmonizes with the design then that certainly makes life easier. I think it's a big stumbling block for many original designs.
@@mikeblommel9091 I worked with automotive glass for more than 20 years and it's not that difficult to cut glass, even curved laminated glass, for someone who knows what he's doing. But of course the easiest way is to find one that fits your needs.
Talk about in my wheelhouse (pardon the pun) but I just finished a Porsche 910 in CAD. I'm one of these rare idiots that can think and create in 3D with a 2D sketch but even I want to see how Wray comes up with something via wire. this will be watched closely.
Was wondering. What keeps the AI from drawing the car in 360° view?
It's not there yet.
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We know the proportion of the wheels and the donor, so could it help to roll a couple cardboard discs into position and proportion the rest from there?
Keep watching.
As far as where to get the rear design elements, I'd like to nominate the 1947 Cisitalia 202 SC or the GT. I may have the optimum year wrong but they were made from 1946 to at least 1951, so maybe they became more refined in later versions. Probably there is an Alfa that is similar but I couldn't find it. It's a shame but we do still have to provide for the license plate and associated lights.
The fun part is the creation. I have done this before, creating a rear view that didn't exist. I'll show that in the next video.
That lopped off vertical rear feels wrong, to me anyway. I much prefer the MGA or '59 Healey 3000 slope. But to each their own.
Curious as to your thoughts on the incremental sheetmetal forming process and it's future for coach building.
Very limited. Best application is architectural panels.
Im curious about the glass… will it be custom made ?
Most likely.
What happened to Frank? He doesn't look old.
Frank, unfortunately didn't go to the doctor for years. He started to feel sick and he discovered he had stage four liver cancer...
@@proshaper Holy Moly. Let that be a lesson to all of us. Poor guy!
Why can’t AI create a 3/4 rear view of the same car?
It's not there yet.
do you have info on A I designing - how to get started ?
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@@proshaper thank you
Does this video mean that the Cadillac is in permanent limbo?
I have a front burner and a back burner... I also have limited resources, I'm 73 and limited time I work seven days a week 80 plus hours a week. Comment on the video that is current.
where do you buy the 1/4" wire?
Any steel supplier will have it.
Thank you
Ive just received a message saying, your going to work on the engine first, I thought this was a metal shaping program, not motor engineering
Not sure where you got that "message" from. This video is all about putting in the initial wires, however at the same time (not on video) we are also working on the engine with whatever limited spare time we may have.
Rest assured, this is all about making a wire form.
I have had to take a break on learning to shape metal so I can learn and study computer stuff for a new career. I needed a break studying today and decided to click this video for some inspiration. When I saw you are using AI it feels like my small world just went full circle 🦾🤯