Are Widebody Chargers and Challengers worth the Money? Consider This!
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- Опубликовано: 19 фев 2022
- I break down the cost and features of the Charger and Challenger Widebody packages and give you my opinion on if they are worth the money. How do you feel about the 6k widebody package?
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I got a Scat Pack widebody: I think it's one of the best looking and handling cars I've ever driven. Compared to the RT I had before with 275s, the 305s and the better suspension have me making corners at speeds that would not be possible on 275s.
I got one too in 6speed manual. I get attention everyday.
Never having a wide body to compare with... my r/t on 245 fronts and 275 rears is the most amazing handling car I've ever driven. Was that your assessment before your scat pack wide body? I've had dynamic suspension on an off road machine and it was amazing. Same thing on the road I imagine where your amazed at the difference?
pretty true + 11inch wide tires hold well
I absolutely love the look of the widebody, and everything with it. It's just hard for me to justify the 6k on it. That's $120 bucks more a month for fender flares, bigger brakes, and bigger tires and some suspension adjustment. So as much as I want the wide body, I end up getting the narrow and saving the money. But if it's in your budget hell yeah I say go for it. The narrow body comes with a new tire purchase right out the gate, but still less than 6k and it does have the classic lines. I swore I would get a wide body next time, but dealers are charging 5-10k over for the widebody and I got my narrow body for MSRP.
@@augustdrums1247 Don't forget those WB have a lower top end speed due to aerodynamics (if that's important to you and consume more fuel) but supposedly will outperform a HC on a roadcourse. Also you will definitely NEED PPF, rock guards like ZL-1, on all 4 wheel wells because those wide tires kick up debris, rocks, gravel etc. So you end up with a scratch up paint job and that might bother alot of people who are anal about keeping that finish nice. It will just cost more $$$ for the PPF as well when it times comes time to replace those 305 wide tires and brakes.
After waiting 444 days and counting I have a VIN and a build date for the same F8 green widebody up here in Canada!! End of March beginning of April they tell me...believe it when im between the steering wheel and seat. Keep the content coming your videos have helped the wait. Thank you
Got a Reg charger Scat Pack with the dynamic package. Love it!!! Saved some money but still boosted the performance!!! Might add 295s but it's AWESOME none the less!!! Awesome video!!!
Awesome comparison video RacerX! Ever since I saw the Demon in the widebody with that airgrabber hood I loved the look. I was glad Dodge made it available for an add on package on the scat pack. It’s really cool we can choose to customize these cars from factory like this. Back when I purchased my scat I was lucky enough to apply dodge power dollars right before the program ended. I’ve owned a narrow body already and I definitely prefer the widebody.
About time back with the mopar family....keep up the great videos
I’ve been looking for a video like this! Thank you!
Absolutely the wide body is the way to go all around looks and performance. Awesome content keep up the great work. Love what you do for the channel. As always be safe 👍
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Great review bro 😎. It’s good to hear the difference between the two because most people didn’t really know. I would never do anything but a Widebody! They actually handle night and day better.
very true!
Had to circle back on this video. Appreciate this!
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Great video and comparison.. I’m a slim body guy, just what I like. Thank you again!
Widebody is definitely the way to go. My preference would be a Charger Redeye which only comes in a widebody. Excellent video as always X. 👍
I got a widebody scatpack 6 speed manual and I love it. It brings me too much attention but I love it. The widebodys stand out because there aren't many on the road.
I never see any and Im in chicago. I dont want one just for that reason
Great show thanks for the information.
Love the channel! Curious, my 2021 widebody scat has more features in the SRT mode with the addition of transmission. I did not see that on this one. Apologies if I missed something.
I have to say that the road manners of my 2022 Challenger Scat WB M6 have been very impressive for such a large car. Also, according to Dodge the Scat WB suspension was re-engineered for the 392 cars to take advantage of the car's lighter front end and better weight distribution. So it is a different set up than simply bolting a Hellcat's WB kit underneath.
I LOVE my 2020 Widebody in Hellraisin. Beautiful car! I have to admit, even the 305's struggle at a dig, but not near as bad as the 245's.
I always liked the Challengers since they came out again in 2008 and always thought about buying one but just never quite pulled the trigger.... that is till the widebody's came out and I fell head over heels at the look with the flares and 305 tires. I couldn't be happier with my 2020 scatpack widebody. The widebody's break necks wherever they're seen that's a fact.
Slow scat and more weight for a scat lol
@@Gainzville55 Sure goofy 🤪
Yep worth it for the 392! No regrets, you end up with the best of both worlds… great suspension tuning & braking power to match the 6.4 power plant! If you are in doubt just do it and live a little bit!
What he said
Great video comparison and looking at the issue from a different perspective: the narrow body requires the Dynamics Package for obtaining the preferable 270/45 tire wheel set up and larger front brakes which runs $2,395 and the adaptive suspension costs an additional $995 so we have a $3,390 total. Given this fact, the wide body runs only $2,610 extra and you get the 305 wider tires. Or, you can go with the 1320 narrow body for $3,995 and you get the preferred 275/40 wheel and tire set up with adaptive suspension (I took this route). Or, you can go the narrow body TA route for $3,995 which includes the 275/40 wheel setup and add the adaptive suspension for $995 and you also get cold air induction. And, you can add the dynamics package for reduced price for the larger front brakes. So various options exist. I did not know any of this at one time and originally purchased a narrow body SP and the car had the 245 tires. I kept the car about one year and then traded for the 1320. (I should have been watching Racer X videos and I would have known more about these features before I purchased my first challenger).
Absolutely loving my 1320!
🥱😵💫🥴🙀🙈Choices choices just too many choices to decide on.😁
Actually, you can get the adaptive suspension on the regular body, and drag mode suspension on the regular body 1320. The wide body Charger definitely looks better. The bolt on flare on the front of the Challenger cuts into the body line on the front fender. The Charger doesn’t have this body line, and the look flows better. I wouldn’t kick any of them out of the garage though. You look more natural surrounded by Mopars. It’s like putting on that favorite pair of comfortable shoes. It just fits.
I disagree that the charger widebody looks better,ive been trying to like it since it came out,at some angles it definitely looks good,from the back i hate it ,Im actually right now struggling with am i gonna get a widebody challenger scatpack a narrow body charger of a tow & go durango R/T
I totally agree well said
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Yes, i think the 6k is worth it on the Scat Pack wide body. I am presently driving the narrow body 2019 Dodge charger scat pack but i am really eyeing the wide body because i will like to get the adaptive cruise control, adaptive suspension and the bremo 6 piston breaks option. In all, Dodge is really doing a great job with the way it delivers with in comes to power, style and class.
The WB package also contains a shift light, 4 piston rear Brembo brakes to go with the 6 piston front Brembo brakes, larger sway bars, the Bilstein suspension that is adjustable with the drive modes, and the requisite exhaust valving with each mode.
it's definitely not just a "wheel, tire, and FRONT brake" package.
It's a $6,000 option with the Adaptive Suspension and 305 wider tires. When it comes to replacing those tires and Brembo brakes I can only imagine how much the cost will be to replace those brakes?🤑
I have a 2021 Widebody ScatPack Challenger and a 50th Anniversary Challenger Widebody ScatPack shaker, love them both and only a Widebody for me!!
Depends on the tires you run, I have a 2018 scat with the Bilstien High-Performance Suspension and a set of Michelin Pilot Sport A\S 4s in 275/40. Around corners I get no understeer or oversteer at any speed! From a roll I get virtually no tire spin, the only way I can break them loose is from a dead stop with my 6-Speed Manual.
Great vid once again X!
I Highly Highly recommend for the 6-speed shifter on the challenger (I have had 2) swapping it out for a Barton shifter. on my black hellcat I swapped the shifter to a Barton and the handle to a Hurst pistol grip. The Barton made an 80% better shift and the handle with the carbon fiber inserts made the whole interior look bad ass old school cool. I wish I kept that car, damn. Why the Hurst, well it was the way the old school name on both sides of the chrome handle looked...
Thanks again as always for the great video. I agree after all my research , if you buy a scat you need bigger tires and I prefer to get the better suspension. By the time you add your performance options for the narrow body you are approaching the price of the narrow body , and the wide body comes already with 305's and rims. Winner winner chicken dinner!!!
The 1320 is were it’s at!
Just went in to try to upgrade my scat to a widebody lol didn’t go well. Great vid
Wide body's make these cars look 10 times better!!
Awesome video, Racer X! The F8 Green wide body car has a 1970s grill, and the Maroon non-wide body has the 1971 grill. For me, both are great! I'd take either! However, I personally would lean to the wide body more so. Better brakes, bigger tires… it all translates to something a bit more suitable for a 6.4.
Yes I prefer the WB look 👍
@@RacerX9 I do too! Just I can't drive a stick lol.
I'm not a fan of the wide body look on the challenger. I like how it looks without it more. But the charger is the opposite for me; I love the widebody look on the charger but am not a fan of the standard look.
Yea I'm not big on the widebody but I like the widebody bottom grill
Exact same for me, but I don’t mind the regular body on the charger.
Visually I like the narrow body more.
The widebody gives the car Volkswagen beetle vibes
The RacerX I've come to know and love, is a drag racer. In an almost 11 minute video, you never even came close to talking about the weight difference between the cars. The WB is noticeable heaver and the wheels will make the WB a slug compared to the non WB in drag race I think it's 2-3th slower. Triple
Nope, not true. The top end is effected slightly [5 mph] , but the quarter mile, slalom, and 70-0 tines are much better due to increased tire footprint on the ground. I do get what you're saying about the increased rotational mass, which is somewhat higher. But, we're not talking VW Bettles here and the difference in rotational mass is way overcome by the traction difference that allows you to launch the car so much harder and with much less wheel spin. Spinnin' ain't winnin'-- unless it's a burnout contest.
Wide body has lower top end speed, with worse gas mileage but is faster on road course than a regular HC. Is widebody better as a daily driver on city roads and freeway? Or is scat with "DYNAMIC OPTION" with 275 tires better for all around driving. No track usage.
A wide body Scat Pack also has a performance shifting page on the automatic transmissions setting the shift points on the transmission I believe it is based on the rpm
Great cars and a good looking t-shirt too.
I have thoroughly enjoyed my Scat Pack Widebody. It is definitely tourqey.
I decided to dodge literally the wide body on the Challenger and decided to upgrade the bigger brakes on the Challenger narrow body by adding the dynamics package which I preferred and I was still able to keep the overall price of the car cheaper than a wide body. I highly recommend getting the dynamics package.
Still enjoying the heck out of my 19 WB SP. Still puts a smile on my face everytime I start it 👍 🇺🇸 muscle 🔥! Thank you for the review Racer X 👍
THE MAINTENANCE COST WILL GO UP ON SPWB TO REPLACE TIRES, BRAKE SYSTEM PARTS AND SHOCKS IF YOU HANG ONTO IT FOR THE LONG RUN.
I have had both and I love the wide body try to drive it every Day
To me widebodys look so sexy especially on the charger. But I think the regular narrow body’s are fine
I just went thru the driver in window at a bank with my new Charger Scat Pack with the narrow body. The car is big and you have to watch the clearance with the narrow body. I can't imagine the wide body.
Like the Widebody Look...Not the price. Thought about going Widebody when I ordered my 2019 Scat Shaker, but Widebody became unavailable when I chose the Shaker Package??? Shaker with Widebody didn't become available until 2020. GREAT VIDEO‼💯
Yes I loved the 50th anniversary card because of the widebody with the shaker.. should have been available on the normal Scatpack much sooner 👍
I drive a 21 WB charger. I think 6k is well worth it, when he factor in the rim and tire package, the brake system upgrades, etc. If you bought a narrow body and upgrade separately it would be well over 6k. Just my thought.
The widebody looks so much better. It's the reason why I'm getting a charger
Just got my 2022 charger scat pack widebody. Love it. What is best performance set up in your opinion for daily drive and racing drive. Thx in advance
i love the widebody and really dont wanna get one without it. but the negative isnt just the 6k difference, its the fact that theyre rarer, so the price stays up on the used ones on top of being hard to find. i might look into how much it would be to buy the fender flares and wheels on their own and have a body shop install it. maybe then it makes sense cuz right now i can barely widebodies available for reasonable prices
What I do not like about the Challenger lineup is regardless of the trim line ranging from the SXT all the way up to the super stock trim line you get the same style and size exhaust finishers I would think at least for the amount of money that you’re paying for a challenger superstock they would provide you with round or oval or larger exhaust finishers but they are the same size Regardless at least for the 392 dodge charger you get larger round exhaust tips
Hi X I think its coming down to which cars will be the collection worth out of all the models that's where I'd put my money example hellcat motor straight body vs hellcat wide body cuz dodge is offing buy back program what's ur take on that ??
Look of the widebody is sweet. But I love the original look too. Budget wise went with the original
I'm also torn between a manual or automatic. I've always been a manual guy, but at the power level is a manual a good idea. My concerns are whether the manual will break loose at higher speed shifting, and will I be sacrificing some performance with an automatic..?
Beautiful, powerful, gas guzzling police magnets! Once you get this car you are instantly a target by feds and thieves. Dangerous to own but super fun to drive!
Take it easy dude, obviously you have never owned a fast car before.
I like both but I believe you should only go for the widebody if you have the funds to get it otherwise the regular one is awesome too as I just got the narrow body Scat Friday
Good review
Just ordered my widebody scat on Wed in smoke show with red guts 😀😀
Racer X, i gotta correct you a bit brother. That narrow body did not have the Dynamics Package. Those were 245' Goodyear tires with 9 inch wheels & 4 piston brembos on that narrow body. The Dynamics Package brings 275' Pirelli tires with 9.5 inch wheels & 6 piston brembos like the Hellcat.
Do it! Widebody for sure!
Can we get a comparison between the wide body scatpack and the 1320 scatpack?
Yessir!!! WIDEBODY all day.
Racer X, I'm interested in the Challenger Hellcat. I have no preference, really, between the looks of the widebody and the regular width Challenger. However, I am interested in whether the widebody would keep the car more linier when the tires cut loose..? Especially at higher speeds. Would that be the case? I do intend to install at least a drag radial..
Love this video. It is exactly what I wanted to see. I feel the same about the widebody. Price should not be as high on the hellcats. I have a question about tires. Because I live in cold and snow climate dodge puts all season tires on the cars. I did order the summer tires, but for some reason my hellcat will have all season tires. My question is will the all season tires be a problem?
Yes all seasons are absolutely the best for normal driving but the absolute worst for putting any sort of power down.. give and take I suppose
@@RacerX9 Thank you! I will be drag racing it. I will not drive it in the winter. The reasons are snow, gravel, and it is not smart here in Montana. I did contact my salesman and he told me they did put that in when the order got placed and came back just recently with all seasons. I appreciate your answer. You are the best!
I have all season now until March. Rain ans snow coating they're great. Like RacerX said, they're shit when you give it power.
@@Lauria43 Thank you. I will have to buy some tires.
Looking to get a used challenger soon. Perhaps a widebody. Should i get minimum 2016 and up models only? I read somewhere 2015 models and below have the most problems. Any tips/advice are highly appreciated 😊
I also believe you get the beefy hellcat redeye axles
Which challenger will have the more comfortable smoother ride on public imperfect bumpy roads? The wide body or the scat regular body with "DYNAMIC OPTION" package with 275 tires?🤔🤔
Wide body charger looks real good.
Not a fan of the wide body challengers.
But they still look good.
Also im glad to see people are calling them standard body or just hellcats.
Calling these cars narrow bodys is dumb its just dumb.
A widebody scat in either granite gray or plum crazy is my perfect car
Built out a 22 redeye charger online exact same spec as my 21 and base price increased $4,430. Adding incentive I got vs now and that's a 7k savings ordering last year vs ordering now. Kinda crazy.
How do you know what the incentives are? Do you find out after you buy?
@@soiceyboyz2979 dodges website has it, it's either $1k off on hellcats or 0% for 72 months usually. Incentive called national consumer cash, last year it dropped from 4k to 2k. Dealer needs to put in at time of order and you receive/pay at delivery
@@vettesweetnos thanks
Dear Mr. X, You left out an important aspect of the Wide Body non redeye Hellcat option. It comes with the bigger Demon\Redeye 41 spline axles and driveshaft as well as the electric power steering. A litttle more justification regarding the up charge. Scat Widebodies have the standard axles and drive shaft.
If they were the same price, I’d prefer the widebody for better handling. I prefer the standard body’s looks. It is timeless!
U R CORRECT WITH THE REDEYE HELLCATS, DNT MATTER WHAT TIRE IF ITS NOT CORRECT DRAG N COMPOUND. I CHOSE THE NARROW BODY REDEYE HELLCAT CHALLENGER, DNT LIKE THE PRESS ON FENDER FLARES. BUT THE MORE I LOOK AT THE REDEYE HELLCAT CHARGER AT MY DEALORSHIP IN ANAHEIM , CA IM STARTING TO LIKE IT ON THE CHARGER MODEL. GREAT REVIEW AS USUAL👍🦾💯
at 3:27 that is for a M6 ? I ordered narrow body, but with dynamics and adaptive suspension, so will I get Suspension choices too?
I have a '19 Charger Scat with Dynamics package, I swapped the HC1 wheels my car came with for HC2 reps and have 275s up front and 315s in the rear. The main reason I dont like the WB is loss of driving lights. I like the look. I know its minimal light output, AND that there are kits and mods for them. Other than that, I dont mind the look of the WB charger. The challenger, I dont like the side marker running thru the flare. There are WB kits that make the ass about 8" wider, I DO like that, simply because its more unique.
JUST PUT AFTERMARKET FOGS ON WHICH ARE BRIGHTER THAN FACTORY TO SEE BETTER. YOU COULD PUT THE MOPAR FOGS IN FOR SAKE OF EASIER INSTALL BUT WONT BE AS BRIGHT.
@@microminiskirt Why are you yelling with all caps? 😆
It depends really, if you want the advanced dampening, bigger breaks, wider wheels the cost difference is negligible at that point. So get wide body!
Thanks!
Thank you for the superthanks... Much appreciated
Devil Rims...best looking modern wheel of any auto maker.
I just care about handling and hooking and driving experience on the charger scatpack widebody? Is it really worth the upgrade i currently have a 2019 narrow body scatpack
My 2015 srt392 has dynamic suspension I put on 305’s in the rear and saved the rest of my money
Love my wide body handles so much better than my regular body challenger. I still break the 305s loose
ditto!
I had the fender flares on my 2008 Mustang. Wasn't wowed then so my 2017 SRT392 is perfect. I'd rather put the dough towards leather, Nav & audio.
Hey RacerX. The reason you don’t get fog lights on the widebody is because the fog light location is actually a air duct to your brakes for cooling.
SO THIS MEANS THE REGULAR CHALLENGER BODY DOESNT HAVE BRAKE DUCTS BECAUSE OF SMALLER BRAKES? IS THAT NECESSARY TO HAVE COOLING DUCTS ON BIGGER BRAKES BECAUSE YOU MUST GO AT HIGHER SPEEDS TO GET THAT COOLING UN LIKE CITY DRIVING. I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE FACTORY FOGS IF THEY REALLY HELP WITH BETTER VISION.
exactly!
@@microminiskirt I think Dodge feels that the WB cars will probably be taken to the track more, and the brake cooling ducts will make a big difference in brake cooling and, therefore, less brake fade. But you're right - in regular city driving, you will see little difference. Mainly on the track or carving canyons. Remember, the front brakes do 80% of the stopping on a car, so they can get hot 🔥 in certain circumstances.
@@scottandrews4822 vERY true and consider the Challenger is 4,200+ pounds so like anything else the more weight, the more wear and tear on everything especially the brakes. But if you don't drive like that and just cruise around easy like grandma/grandpa you are still hauling all the weight around. Perhaps the weight will contribute to the comfort and ride on street roads in isolating those nasty dips on these ill maintained public roads we have here.🤢🤮
@@microminiskirt I have a 2021 Charger Scat Pack now and just traded it on my new Challenger T/A 392, so I'm familiar with the weight. However, I feel that Dodge has done such a great job whrh the engines and suspension that the weight is not felt. And it's not like a Camaro or Mustang are the weight of a Miata, so its all relative. If it was lighter snd smaller, then maybe a 485 HP engine wouldn't work. Regardless, I loved my Charger and will love my Challenger too. Plus, I have a 2022 Ram Ecodiesel that is kind of the other end of the spectrum. #Moparornocar
So aside from the flared fenders is there an actual difference of the physical body or the actual width of the cars?
Can you use a WB Scat Pack Challenger as a daily driver? Or is the suspension too stiff/bumpy?
Buckeye fan? Me too!
Just got me a 22 charger scat pack
🐝🔥
Yes, worth it
Nice🔥
I think you would want to look at after market fie releams, tires and larger bimbos. To see if it is worth it.
I prefer medium-sized bimbos, personally... 😆
Racer X I'm buying a 2021 skypack wide body can I can I still put Lowering Springs on my car even with the with the suspension package That comes with the car????
P/S - I ended up putting 12” wide wheels on the rear with 325 width on the tires. And she grabs hella hood now 👍👍👍
Allan,is that 12inch wheel& 325 Tire package on a narrow body? can you post pictures
Yup....need to get me a Scat Pack wide-body. I Like em....
I Agee that the widebody looks better on the Charger. The Challenger widebody doesn't flare into the body like the Charger. But I still like it, but I wouldn't trade my regular body Shaker just to get a widebody.
I think the wide body options are better. My only gripe is that the car industry is really inflated right now. These dealers want a crazy amount of money for base model cars. Just saw a 2020 hellcat near me with 7k miles, no alcantara, leather or suede, no drive assist package, 275’s all the way around for $75k plus taxes. They’re out of their minds.
You have to consider that MOPAR is making no more V-8's after 2023. Get 'em while you can! I just picked up a new Charger Scat Pack and had to pay full sticker. A closer dealer to me had a $1,000 over sticker mark up. It's simply a sellers' market between the V-8's going away and the supply chain shortage.
Yes wide body all the way 👍
Can't wait for dodge to rejoin Nascar
I agree. They should never have left. They won the championship and walked away.
Definitely! I am exited to see what happens.
Standards body redeye would be awesome...I never see them anywhere.
I got a regular body hellcat. I didn’t think the widebody was worth the extra cash. I like the wider look don’t get me wrong but I wanted as close to retro as possible.
Yes !!!
I have some questions about the widebody vs the regular challenger. I may have found something that proves they’re bodies are not the same with just a kit
YESSSS!
Wide body 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 I put 315’s on mine. Handles even better now, 6k 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ you gotta pay to play
Nice.
Imo though, Save your money and wait for the top model AWD, instant 100% power & torque from the
E-muscle high performance vehicles coming from Dodge soon. It will be well worth it.