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This actually isn't the first time the memory Tardis has been seen. Unfortunately you don't have it in the US, but over in the UK we have a BBC iPlayer exclusive called Tales of the Tardis that came out in November as part of the 60th anniversary, at which the memory Tardis is at the centre of. The main bluck of each episode is actually just an omnibus edit of a classic story, however each episode has new scenes at the start and end reuniting old characters of the show as they share their memories. Initially there were 6 episodes covering a story each from the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th & 7th Doctors, however the day before this finale they released a 7th episode which featured 15 and Ruby looking back on the last time the Doctor fought Sutekh in Pyramid of Mars. Which also now means all 7 classic Doctors have an episode dedicated to one of their stories.
Ok, for whatever reason I think she's the master. She knows the doctor and the TARDIS, she called the grandma a small little thing and she smiled when she said the doctor was going to meet a horrific end so I feel like she's the master
@@varunvijay9293I'm not e timely sure, however I cannot deny your logic or facts either. She did say something about tearing down the golden gates of "Your maker" when talking to Cherry Sunday or something along those lines, so you could be right.
Yes it's the Tom Baker scarf, but it's the Colin Baker coat that gets Mel feeling nostalgic, and I love her for that 💙💙 It was not the costume he wanted, and people did not like it, so seeing someone give it love and respect on camera is beautiful.
Tom baker used a dog whistle for K9 and also The second doctor plays the Recorder which makes a similar whistling sound- I think it’s mainly a reference to Tom Baker and his Dog Whistle for k9 :)
I liked the episode and I'm happy ruby got to meet her family, I'm just a little underwhelmed by the reveal of her mother as I was kinda expecting something big.
If Ruby and Ruby's mother are ordinary human that are important only because we though they were important, then why did Maestro say "This creature is very wrong" talking about Ruby and why does Ruby have the power to make it snow?
If people start talking about something they think is special and spread the word to people saying this thing is very special then, over time, that thing becomes what they want it to be and becomes a God or whatever else they want it to become.
Yes that’s what I’m saying! Maestro also said “how does she have the same power as him” or something to that effect. What power? Who is “him”. Are we just going to forget about that?! But I just saw a clip RTD said there are more revelations about ruby’s family to come but truly with people being so worried about the new direction the series is going, if there is some big shocking revelation he needed to reveal it this season. Fr.
Wait wait wait! She said "Clever Boy!" The old woman with Ruby's grandma when they came back... That's what Clara called the doctor! & She dresses like Clara as well! 😮
@brucesimmons5517 RTD contradicting himself again. I thought both Doctors were supposed to be equally real. Now RTD is claiming that the TARDISes aren't equal and 14 got lumbered with the copy? So he doesn't even have the same TARDIS he stole from Gallifrey all those years ago anymore? The whole idea of Sutech inhabiting the TARDIS for 4 decades also creates too many plotholes.
@@lewisharvey9109 He wasnt a god tho, there was story to how he got to his place. But even then, assuming he was a god, the hammer of the Toymaker was what cloned the Tardis in the first place, which if Sutekh is a god, means the Toymaker is also a god, and the hammer/cloning is a reward won by challenging a god.
OMG y’all Sutehk is US. He is the Doctor Who fans (and Marvel fans etc) who get caught up in little details and HAVE to have an explanation for a “why this thing” or who is Ruby’s Mom? It literally killed him because he had to know the answer 😅 I swear this whole season has been Meta lol
Which I think could've worked if we'd been given a solid reason why Sutek would be like that - he's not exactly characterised beyond wanting to kill everything. I mean, I understand The Beast's motivation in The Satan Pit - escape. Do I want Satan to escape? I do not. Great, villain and audience motivation sorted. Throughout the story he's closer and closer to escaping, which makes the climactic collapse of the planet into the blackhole and subsequent death of possessed Toby deeply cathartic. Where here everything seems disconnected. Sutek has already won, by killing everyone. Then decides because of reasons he'd like to know who Ruby's mother is. Then he's defeated by the vortex, which because of reasons again reverses all the death. That's alright though, the audience remains motivated by who Ruby's mothers is- and oh never mind. Bit of a meringue of an episode.
RTD said a few months back that Ruby's story spans both seasons. "I'm burning for people to see the story of Ruby Sunday. It's amazing and has so much mileage in it. And it's still burning. It's wonderful. I can't wait for you to see it." But like her story seems complete, doesn't it? I know shes back next season, but the mystery around her mom is over and done. Unless they pull a Rise of Skywalker and go back on it. No wait, her mum is actually Palpat.... The Master!
Yeah I agree. This whole season just felt like nothing actually mattered in the end? Like I'm okay with the big reveal being _"there is no big reveal"_ it's kinda RTD pulling a reverse-RTD, and making the mystery-box empty, but that has to in some way service the story, and it doesn't. We're told Sutek is keeping The Doctor and Ruby alive in order to find out. Then, the pair use that knowledge to defeat Sutek by tricking him. Then, we defeat Sutek with a separate plan entirely of dragging him into the vortex, which we're then told for sci-fi reasons this undoes all the death. Then finally we find out Ruby's mother was actually just a normal person. But none of those things actually link together. And *everybody lives*
I’m thinking it’s not so much who the mother is but who the father is. I have a pretty strong feeling that her father will be revealed to be related to the evil prime minister from 2046 Roger Ap Gwilliam.
@@nickoftimeproductions8719 With the surname "Gwilliam" - related to William? Son of William? Very possible. Also very possibly another RTD red herring, which I'm slightly exhausted by at the moment, so I won't hold my breath.
I don't think it's complete. If she's human, we don't know why it snows around her or why Maestro was so shocked about some song hidden in the heart or whatever
@@nickoftimeproductions8719I believe Roger is her brother. ap Gwilliam=son of William. He couldn't be her father because he's in his 30s/40s in 2046 so same age as Ruby more or less. Also I'm sure the snow has got to do with the Tardis rather than Ruby. It's such a strong memory for Ruby made even stronger by the weight given to it that the Tardis perception filter does something to bring the snow. The song I believe is just the importance and weight given to the memory but since her story is far from over I'm sure there's going to be a twist in season 2. Also let's not forget the mention of phoenix's. Susan Twist was normal until she wasn't. Maybe setting up Ruby's twist next season? We'll see I guess. Honestly I think I prefer episodic TV than season long arcs that take years to unravel which is why I didn't mind this season as much as the focus was on different adventures and only in the 2-part finale was it more "connected".
Ok i think i understand, if time is a memory then memory is time travel. Ruby put so much significance on that night on ruby road that when she was introduced to the tardis, a tardis that is connected to that night due to it traveling there, a link in time was formed, a link that is opened, which is why it's snows. Her thinking about that night opens the link, inadvertently using the tardis to bring time to her. We only ever see it snow after she was introduced to the tardis. Memory alone can't literally travel through time, but a powerful memory might be able to, when a literal time machine is at play.
Why did the memory of the mom pointing keep changing then? Why point dramatically at a sign when no one else would see it? Why did the Maestro say Ruby was “wrong”?
Considering they specifically mention it earlier, I'm surprised they didn't show the Doctor having a moral dilema over whether to save Skaro or not. Edit: Now that I've gotten to that point in the video, I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed!
He did say right before he did it that he would have to become a "monster," meaning he recognized it as a monstrous act he would be doing in killing it.
I don't think he had a choice and at this point destroying Skaro as early as some of the times he's been there is probably too dangerous with how it could affect time.
Your second question was answered in the episode. Sutekh didn't know the identity of someone, and they needed to know the identity to kill them. They didn't like someone being out there and not knowing their identity. Yes, that raises a lot of questions still, but it's an explanation at least.
@@alexp601 Sutekh didn't need to know someones identity to kill them, given Ruby and The Doctor were the last living things the mum had clearly already been killed by the dust ^^
@@Wolfer1OOO yeah I was thinking that too. Like, whoever she is, she’s gonna be dead because everyone is dead. But for some reason it bothered Sutekh not to know someone’s identity. Whoever she was going to be, it was just going to be ‘ok, yeah I killed her already. Now I can relax’. But the show had to make a huge deal out of the mums identity 😅
@@alexp601 I think the biggest problem was putting a bunch of mystic stuff behind the mums identity (the snow, no-one at all ever being able to see her face (be they there on the day, in the cctv, Sutekh), The 73 yards coming back up, the pointing when she didn't do that before, nothing being able to find her be it modern dna tracing shows or even The Doctor himself, and The Doctors insistance that something is off about it all) and then not paying off any of it all all and saying 'it was only important because everyone is important'. If they round out Ruby's story in the next season and cover it all then fair enough, however if that is the actual resolution for the plot line (which clearly we are meant to believe it is) it's just a gaslighting end
@@Wolfer1OOOThis. All of these problems. I love Doctor Who but people need stop pretending that everything was wrapped up and everything makes sense and be OK with the fact there’s 0 payoff on this “mystery”.
Fully agree with Greg that these should have been two parts. I also think last week's episode was sparse on story - the first two thirds just felt like padding for time - so I personally think that the first half of this episode should have been done last week. Rather than end on the Sutekh reveal, keep going - show the full extent of Sutekh's Empire of Death, end in true Infinity War style with that gorgeous shot of the Doctor screaming out of the TARDIS doors into a dying universe; let us sit with THAT for a week. I still loved the episode, I think this was a great story, but it could have so much more weight I think if they'd started this episode with something like the woman and spoon scene. There's an implied time jump there anyway, so why not separate that from the previous scenes by an actual week of real time. It's an ideal place to restart the story - seeing the Doctor, Ruby and Mel visiting worlds to gather MacGuffins and witnessing the last breaths of dying worlds. Would have given more time to flesh out Mel's reintroduction that would have made her turn more impactful too. Also... metal? The Doctor couldn't find a piece of metal on the Memory TARDIS? I'd also use that additional time to convey that it isn't metal he needs, it's sentiment, it's memory - things that are hard to come by in a universe where everyone (and therefore sentiment) is dead. In fact, I'm head-canoning that - the Doctor didn't need a metal spoon, he needed an item of sentimental value. Apart from that, I have few other criticisms; those other criticisms I do have would be even more nit-picky. It was a great episode.
@@TrovaoSmasher You’re right. I’d forgotten that line of dialogue… But I think my greater point stands. Metal is inert-it isn’t a living thing. I don’t think it should be rare in a dying universe, whereas objects of sentimental value kinda would be; at least thematically in the sense that the people who give objects sentimental value are dying. Either way I think the scene just exists to humanise the crisis, and I think an emphasis on sentimental memory attached to an object would have played off the episode’s themes just that little bit better… but i’m definitely being a bit nit-picky. Though on future viewings I’m still assuming that spoon was important to that woman. Gives that scene a little more purpose.
I don’t blame doctor who or the whole team and staff for having such a short season. It’s always the production companies and budget issues. The good thing is that we will get back the Christmas specials! No gap years. And hopefully with the success of the season will get more episodes for the next season.
@@kay-jay1581 Yeah, I think the season length is fine. I wouldn’t split this episode into two, I’d just move the first half of it into last weeks (which felt like it spent too much time setting up the story and almost none advancing it). There are a few other changes I’d have liked across the season, but overall I’ve been happy with it. The only episode I didn’t like was Space Babies… but that’s fine-most seasons of Doctor Who have episodes that suck. For this season to only have one episode I didn’t care for is pretty remarkable.
@@thombruce Agree. Ending this episode after the devastation then jumping would've made it feel like the 'empire' in question actually happened for more than 20 minutes.
I found the Sutekh stuff very anticlimactic after all the build up last week but Sian Clifford's scene and Ruby meeting her birth mother hit me like a ton of bricks. Cried at both. "I think my daughter died and I forgot". Ooof! What a line, what a delivery.
5/10. Performances are always great. But the story just had too many plot holes in it, and not in a " we'll answer these later" kind of way, but in a "WTF, that doesn't make sense" way. I can understand the messaging with the mother and not revealing who Mrs Flood is, but then, why make the former the center of the season? Or have a better explanation for the ordinary nature of it all? And then there's Sutekh, they spent about 9 episodes teasing his return and hyping him up as the god of all gods but once he does the initial thing, he doesn't have much else to do anymore and then the way he's defeated just makes you nervous, what if he were to fall somewhere else he'll cause even more trouble, etc. They could've spent a little more time on how to utilize and then defeat him. Other than that, Performances were good but I expect better than this come S15/S2
I really appreciated it. Roger Ap Gwilliam was teased so hard but sadly we never got real answers, and Ruby's story isn't wrapped up imo. What's the snow about? Why did Maestro sense something wrong with Ruby, just because Sutekh was there on Ruby road? Ultimately I was satisfied, however. We have more time with Ruby next season, and I'm starting to think the trickster might actually happen at that time. I cried quite a lot. I even cried for Sutekh, or maybe more specifically that the doctor had to put him down so brutally. I don't think any answer to Ruby's mom could have been more satisfying than what we got. Oh, and I don't usually rate things on a scale, because it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. 8/10 Some of the CGI early in the episode was sadly disappointingly bad, especially compared to the Sutekh scenes, and Ruby's mom pointing to a sign so dramatically by herself in the middle of the night isn't a satisfying answer as it just doesn't make sense. I don't buy it to the point that I'm wondering if it really was Ruby's mom under that cloak.
The tooth was the Master, and the hand was a callback to the end of season 3 where a similar hand picked up his ring after his death. That time it was the leader of some Master cult who ended up resurrecting him later on, but she dead during the resurrection. So I'm not sure who did it this time. Maybe Mrs Flood? But we haven't seen her wear red nail polish yet
In my mind the snowing makes sense if you take it as Sutekh creating it not Ruby. Harbinger Mel said Sutekh controlled dust (which we clearly see) but also ice. Sutekh wished to find the name of Ruby's mother and everytime anyone brought it up or got close it began to snow out of his anticipation for his wish to come true
Just a friendly reminder to everyone that Mel had been dead for a while and was only kept moving via Sutekh's power. She said she was tired innthe Memory TARDIS. So she died across the room from the Doctor and Ruby, all while snuggling with Six and Seven's clothes. 🙃🙃🙃
Then why did sutekh have to talk and manipulate her in the hallway into succumbing to him? When the doc sent her out to 'keep watch'. I think he infected her in the memory tardis, partially controlled her then fully embodied her after she gave in, in the hallway.
Underwhelming as a finale, but I've enjoyed the season quite a bit. If this is the base that can be built on going forward, I'm more than satisfied with that for Doctor Who.
- Why didn't they just go to 2046 right at the start of the series? - Why did it actually snow? - Why bother pointing at the sign? Nuns didn't see her so no one would know she was naming her - What happened to Sutekh when the TARDIS was split? - What happened to the memory TARDIS? - 14 and Donna must have been turned to dust, wonder what he thought of that lol - Sutekh was mystified by this random woman even though he could see ALL of time and space. Why couldn't he see 2046 when the mum took the DNA test? Surely he could find out who she was It was all very meh tbh We NEED a Susan cameo this era, surely!
They couldn't go because they had no idea TO go there until literally SHOWN. It snowed because SOMETHING didn't want the universe to end. Maybe Time, or maybe the tardis which is, you known, an eldritch abomination in its own right. A 15 year old kid giving birth, doing something random that only matters to her? Teens aren't usually known for thinking rationally and having recently given birth and in shock less rational. One sutekh so goes to one tardis. Besides for all we know it's the same tardis at different points in time. Memory tardis probably gone. 14 and donne dust just comedy gold for later. And lastly Sutekh is an arrogant monster who spent billions of years watching everything and STILL wanting to destroy everything. Someone this arrogant or stupid wouldn't realize hey maybe this one thing I can't see isn't important. He literally wants to kill everything out of the fear something might evolve to challenge him. And considering he knows about the pantheon of chaos he might think Ruby is the child of the Trickster, Mara or some other eldritch monster and is just waiting to see what their 'plan' is. That's the whole point of Sutekh. He literally can't stand the idea of life because he thinks the living are pathetic and only he deserves to exist, so the thought ANYTHING is outside his grasp would drive him mad. He's the equivalent of a spoiled child being told no about anything, it rankles him.
I agree. It should have been a 3 part story. Part 1 the build up to Sutekh’s reveal & the cliffhanger being the dusting. part 2 the Doctor Ruby & Mel trying to survive & evade Sutekh. Part 3 The resolution.
@@jdgjagerbomber9430rubbish? It was a good episode yeah it was bit rush but because the season was cut off. But come on have you seen the episodes from 11-13. Now that was a complete snooze fest. Dear god I knew ahead of time that they were bad seasons but no one told me it was going to be painfully boring with chibnal as show runner. This season was so good and it’s bringing Doctor Who to a new era. First season are not always the best but I really loved what we got. Millie Gibson was her of a companion! I will miss her
32:33 I think that might be Hecuba The Queen of Time. She is another member of the Panethon and is the Toymakers sister. Like her brother, she was fond of playing deadly games with less powerful beings with their freedom at stake, but while he was fond of games with toys, her games and traps were related to time and clocks.
If Ruby's Mom is just a Normal Regular person what was with that Dungeons and Dragons Cosplay Hooded Robe she just happened to be wearing when dropping her kid off in a basket? 😆
What about the fact that a literal god with control of the tardis couldn't figure out that a completely normal woman gave birth to a completely normal child. Why did it even matter to him? What about the other 8 billion people he didn't know?
Instead of doing an extra episode for the finale, part one’s cliffhanger should’ve been everyone dying. Then they could’ve lived in the “end of the universe” longer in episode two.
Or not gone so overboard with the "everyone is dead everywhere" thing. It became deeply apparent we were going to get a reset-button ending really early on, which made it hard to invest in anything that happened.
I've a feeling that Mrs. Flood isn't exactly a villain like other people think but some kind of a 'fairy godmother' who could be shielding Ruby's family from the evil gods' wrath for some mysterious reason (or perhaps she uses Ruby's 'secret heritage' as a ploy/red herring to fool Sutekh and take his place, I dunno), not to mention the snow appears again when Flood breaks the fourth wall for the second time (in which she predicts 15's fate through some kind of godly powers), implying she's the ONE who causes the snow to fall. However, her connection to Ruby's family and her ultimate goal still remain an enigma.
Somebody pointed on a podcast that in "The Giggles" at the end when Tennant's 14th and Rosie are sitting at the table for the end of episode lunch with everyone they mention smth along the lines of "We went to Mars...again". RTD doing what he does. Plotting storylines way in advance without us even noticing.
All throughout this season I've thought about Ncuti's face when you asked him about other incarnations of the Doctor. 😁👏👏👏You were SO onto a key element of the season!
Tales of the Tardis episodes are available in the US, they’re on the official DW channel on RUclips. Except the one that aired prior to the finale, but they do have synopsis of Pyramids of Mars.
My head canon is that the Tardis extended its perception filter to cloak rubys mum and also the snow, the song in ruby that maestro took, even the woman 73 yards away in order to conjure up a mystery so great that Sutekh would reveal himself just to get him on the Tardis’s back. That allows for the “ordinary is special” ending whilst still explaining loose ends like the snow!!
I know people are like “but what about the snow?” But I thought the scene with Mrs Flood at the end when it’s snowing was suggesting that we’ll find out more about that next season
Exactly. In my opinion, Ruby’s story is not over, I still think there’s something special about her. People jump into conclusion way too fast like they’ve never seen a season finale that still hasn’t answered their questions before.
More like "how does a god with control over a time machine not have the ability to figure out who a normal woman's normal mother is?" The ONLY people who gave a shit about ruby were the God's so don't give me that "it's only important because people thought she was important" crap ... NOBODY KNEW HER. It's poor writing and seems to be centered about some feel-good theme or to seem like the show has more going on than it does
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Doc said Sutekh made him the bringer of death not bc he killed Sutekh, he's killed plenty before, he said it bc in order to fix things, he had to literally bring death to all creation by pulling Sutekh through the entire Time Vortex once again
One thing I'm curious about that's probably just a simple foresight is Ruby seeing the Vortex. It's not safe to look into the Time Vortex, it's an initiation ritual at the Time Lord Academy, and it literally drove The Master insane. Now granted, we don't directly see Ruby looking out into the Vortex, but it's HIGHLY unlikely to not have looked while Sutekh was out there and especially not when the Doctor was at the door. How was Ruby, an ordinary woman, able to look into the Time Vortex and be completely unaffected?
I saw last week someone noticed Mrs Flood was wearing clothes similar to Clara's, and this ep she says Clara's line "Clever Boy" Coincidence? Hint? Red Herring?
😊 hello boys. So maybe you already know, but if not, no spoilers here. At the time that we are watching the finale Millie Gibson had decided to return to the series. When they shot this whole series, she was not going to return so that’s why this season ended the way it did with an actual end to Ruby’s story. But I think now the fact that she changed her mind or they worked something out and she is returning for the next season. It works better now build up of their adventures together.
@Happymama12 so that means you watch almost none of Capaldi's tenure and you skip Day of the Doctor. That sounds like a rough life as A Doctor Who fan lol.
@@bigjsquare1988 I said I skip most, not all. There were A LOT of episodes during capaldi’s run that were just plain bad (ie kill the moon, sleep no more, forest of the night etc). Day of the doctor was Clara lite enough that I can just ignore her. Still plenty of a doctor who fan. You can be a doctor who fan and not like Clara. There’s also a significant number of people who share my views. I can watch episodes and remember what happens without having to see every episode every watch through. I just simply don’t enjoy a lot of the episodes she’s in. There are skip/watch lists for doctor who (and many other shows) and a lot of Clara’s episodes are in the skip pile.
@@TARDISeraphim yea I did on some things but I think it’s misdirection. RTD loves to mislead us 😂 I definitely don’t think she’s an evil character though. The thing is, she knew sutekh was waiting which means she knew he was a part of the tardis this whole time. I have some theories for sure. But I also had soooo many theories about Ruby and her mom and they just turned out to be ordinary people so I’m probably wrong about everything 😂🤦♀️
Which is a moment I feel could've really carried weight if Kate *had* actually died. I realise they weren't going to wipe out Rose, but she was barely in the episode anyway and could've been elsewhere. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Kate to die, but that's why the moment would've mattered.
Hey guys, love the videos !) I wanted to understand one thing, l've subscribed to your Patreon to watch you guys react to The Boys, but whenever I watch the full video the screen is blurred and theres a timer on there. I understand that may be because of copyright issues, but if so... then what is the point of the Patreon? Like what am I supposed to do with the blurred screen😅 Im not hating, l love you guys a lot and watch your videos all day... I'm just confused and wanted to ask this question
You need your own version. Its so you can watch their reaction to the whole 1 hour episode and not the edited down 15-20 mins. You must still have you own copy for legal reasons. Means you sorta need 2 screens up in some way to watch it.
Very good epsiode and very hearwarming at the end. All those people scrambling from the bus was ridiculous though. If you see a giant dust clouds approaching and you have no way of knowing that it is killer dust, would you rather be out in the street or inside a bus with closed doors? 😉
So when i started watching this season - someone on reddit who apparently worked on the show said there was a hidden celestial character who was the embodiment of storytelling and because she often mentioned stories everyone assumed it was Ruby but i think it was Mrs Flood and it was even more confirmed by how she ended the episode like a bedtime story
When the sky was torn apart above NY and everyone came back to life, the rift reminded me of that scene from Spiderman No Way Home and I thought Unit was Avengers tower for a second 😂
100 percent this season has been the best doctor who has been for years but that doesn't excuse bad ending, loved some parts but the way they defeated sutech was horrific, doctor who has always struggled with finales
Kinda disappointed they didn’t follow up on the Granddaughter bit. I do not think next season they will continue that thread and I will be pleasantly surprised if they do follow up on Susan.
I was totally confused and spent the last 5min watching this last one in tears. I've just come straight here after for the rejects thoughts. I got an Avengers End game feel
Again it strongly seems like "Mrs. Flood" is some kind of villain, but for some reason i feel like she might actually be some kind of "Narrator" (god or something) and actually neutral rather than evil.
Loved the scene with the spoon lady - definitely would have loved a whole episode that sat in that vibe, and then another episode with the final confrontation/dealing with Ruby's conclusion
The memory Tardis was used in the 60th specials for Tales of the Tardis. Americans can catch some on You Tube. They had past Doctors and Companions meet there.
Btw I’m pretty sure Mrs. Flood is a version of Clara Oswald from capaldi and Matt smiths eras since she said her “clever boy” thingy and they wore the same shirt the previous episode
Previously I thought she was just Susan the Doctor's granddaughter (and she might still be Susan, who knows lol) but now I'm thinking she could be Romana the other major time lord we haven't seen in quite a while. Considering how they ended the episode with her in that very white furry coat and that parasol - which is VERY Romana, it could just be her. Or it could be Susan. Or the Master. Or another Pantheon god (but maybe not an evil one?). It's weird leaving it on a cliffhanger with her like that, but I like that they are setting things up for the next season/series or the Christmas special etc.
I don’t see it being Clara as Clara is stuck in the same moment between life and death, so shouldn’t age at all. Very possibly the Rani with the name drop in the penultimate episode
@@TheLibrarianOG1 If it's Susan, why would she hide from the Doctor then also? If it's the Rani, again why hide? I think whoever she is, she's biding her time for whatever is coming (next season one assumes, they can't really drag this on for 3 or 4 seasons can they? lol) next. Those lines she said to Cherry, at the very least we know she has a "true form".
What a season of Doctor Who! It's been an awesome adventure, in my opinion! Ncuti has been an incredible Doctor, and Millie Gibson has been such a fun companion! I was super stoked to hear she's returning for Season 2 even if she isn't the main companion anymore. I loved/enjoyed so many episodes of this season! The magic of Doctor Who is so special, and I felt it throughout this entire story! This has got to be the most fun I've had with a TV show in a while! It was just a great time from beginning to end, and I can't wait for Season 2 of this era. I had some issues with a couple of the episodes, even including the finale, but I was completely entertained from beginning to end, and I was just having so much fun! Loved it! 8/10 is my score for Season 1!
Not ending the last episode with the infinity war style dusting is a rookie error too, opening with it instead kills the stakes for the rest of the episode because you know it has to end with at least a partial reversal 😂
It doesn’t help to dispel the theory when Mrs. Flood comes out in a white coat the way River wore white coats. The never really knowing if we’re dealing with villain or hero with how she treated Cherry. The snark. I’m willing to guess River or the Master.
Greg/John are you aware of the popping sounds during your reactions? It's very noticeable in the review section of the video. It's been going on for a couple of weeks now.
what i wanna know is back in the toymaker episode when the tardis was duplicated if sutekh was ontop of the tardis at that point would it not mean that sutekh was also duplicated thus while sutekh was killed from 15s tardis there is still a sutekh on 14s tardis which means should they ever wanna bring sutekh round again they have a way to bring him back
The ending to the plot of a lot of Star Trek TNG and X-Files episodes only comes at the very last minute and they never feel rushed so maybe they should take a page out how TNG episodes was made.
😊 hello I’m back. In wild blue yonder, they were at the edge of the universe beyond the edge of the universe is where gods and higher beings exist. Where Sutekh was trapped they called that a time corridor. Think of it as the tunnel that the doctor traverses when he’s going through time. in my theory in wild blue yonder when tenant went to the edge of the universe and did his thing what he did was basically weaken the veil of reality so that can gain advantage.
so in the big bang Matt Smith(doctor) restarted the universe so there is a line against all of those places he want and the TARDIS only re-appeared because Amy remembered him but she wouldnt haver remembered Sutekh if he had been attatched since Tom bakers doctor.
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The real question is did Cherry ever get that cup of tea?
Ibrahim got one.
Yes. She got her cup of tea because she got out of bed and made it herself
Ok so I REALLY wanted the end scene to just be cherry finally getting her cup of tea lmao like I was thinking about it the entire episode.
@@Happymama12 I would have laughed if Louise ended up bringing Cherry a cup of tea. Cherry's full of charm.
@@christallaktorides6904 Love her. But she could ALWAYS get up? haha That's me so I'm not complaining! lol
This actually isn't the first time the memory Tardis has been seen. Unfortunately you don't have it in the US, but over in the UK we have a BBC iPlayer exclusive called Tales of the Tardis that came out in November as part of the 60th anniversary, at which the memory Tardis is at the centre of.
The main bluck of each episode is actually just an omnibus edit of a classic story, however each episode has new scenes at the start and end reuniting old characters of the show as they share their memories.
Initially there were 6 episodes covering a story each from the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th & 7th Doctors, however the day before this finale they released a 7th episode which featured 15 and Ruby looking back on the last time the Doctor fought Sutekh in Pyramid of Mars. Which also now means all 7 classic Doctors have an episode dedicated to one of their stories.
We've seen tales of the TARDIS in america's, so we're good😊
😀Well done! A more detailed comment than I was going to make❤❤. There are clips from Tales of the Tardis floating around on RUclips...
There is a new tales of the Tardis which condenses down the tom baker Sutekh story into one episode. Blindwave reacted to it.
@@michaeljeacock I do point that out at the end of the comment yes.
I hope they make that available for the rest of the world!!!
Mrs. Flood wasn't one of Sutekh's servants but we have confirmed that she will be a different villain later on
She said she keeps herself hidden away, like other Time Lords.
I am not sold that she might be a villain but I absolutely agree that she was not related to Sutekh's crew.
A villain, yes. But maybe not an antagonist
Ok, for whatever reason I think she's the master. She knows the doctor and the TARDIS, she called the grandma a small little thing and she smiled when she said the doctor was going to meet a horrific end so I feel like she's the master
@@varunvijay9293I'm not e timely sure, however I cannot deny your logic or facts either.
She did say something about tearing down the golden gates of "Your maker" when talking to Cherry Sunday or something along those lines, so you could be right.
Barista is just like “so…..do you want this drink still?”
Yes it's the Tom Baker scarf, but it's the Colin Baker coat that gets Mel feeling nostalgic, and I love her for that 💙💙 It was not the costume he wanted, and people did not like it, so seeing someone give it love and respect on camera is beautiful.
And she sleeps on Sylvester Mccoy’s sweater vest.
YES
Tom baker used a dog whistle for K9 and also The second doctor plays the Recorder which makes a similar whistling sound- I think it’s mainly a reference to Tom Baker and his Dog Whistle for k9 :)
So many Tom Baker references this season!
Say what you want about the finale, but the scene in the cafe between Ruby and her mother, it felt so raw for such a short scene.
Yes omg
I liked the episode and I'm happy ruby got to meet her family, I'm just a little underwhelmed by the reveal of her mother as I was kinda expecting something big.
Meh idk
That's always been one of RTD's strengths as a writer, he's good at making normal life scenes feel real.
@@erg1947 It never needs to be something connected to nostalgia. That would be unoriginal.
If Ruby and Ruby's mother are ordinary human that are important only because we though they were important, then why did Maestro say "This creature is very wrong" talking about Ruby and why does Ruby have the power to make it snow?
Her father could be something
@@cmccorquodale2003Nope at the end she was talking about William.
Exactly. There are so many loose ends.
If people start talking about something they think is special and spread the word to people saying this thing is very special then, over time, that thing becomes what they want it to be and becomes a God or whatever else they want it to become.
Yes that’s what I’m saying! Maestro also said “how does she have the same power as him” or something to that effect. What power? Who is “him”. Are we just going to forget about that?!
But I just saw a clip RTD said there are more revelations about ruby’s family to come but truly with people being so worried about the new direction the series is going, if there is some big shocking revelation he needed to reveal it this season. Fr.
Wait wait wait!
She said "Clever Boy!" The old woman with Ruby's grandma when they came back...
That's what Clara called the doctor! & She dresses like Clara as well! 😮
My big question is, was Sutekh accidently cloned in The Giggle and is still attached to David Tennant's Tardis?
@@brucesimmons5517 You not understanding what a clone is huh? xD
@@LilyMrrgglton I don't think you can clone a god😂
@brucesimmons5517 RTD contradicting himself again. I thought both Doctors were supposed to be equally real. Now RTD is claiming that the TARDISes aren't equal and 14 got lumbered with the copy? So he doesn't even have the same TARDIS he stole from Gallifrey all those years ago anymore? The whole idea of Sutech inhabiting the TARDIS for 4 decades also creates too many plotholes.
@@lewisharvey9109 He wasnt a god tho, there was story to how he got to his place.
But even then, assuming he was a god, the hammer of the Toymaker was what cloned the Tardis in the first place, which if Sutekh is a god, means the Toymaker is also a god, and the hammer/cloning is a reward won by challenging a god.
honestly ignoring what Mr. Russel T. McContradictions said I think the toymaker's hammer just bonked sutekh onto ncuti's tardis
OMG y’all Sutehk is US. He is the Doctor Who fans (and Marvel fans etc) who get caught up in little details and HAVE to have an explanation for a “why this thing” or who is Ruby’s Mom? It literally killed him because he had to know the answer 😅 I swear this whole season has been Meta lol
Hahah love that
Which I think could've worked if we'd been given a solid reason why Sutek would be like that - he's not exactly characterised beyond wanting to kill everything.
I mean, I understand The Beast's motivation in The Satan Pit - escape. Do I want Satan to escape? I do not. Great, villain and audience motivation sorted. Throughout the story he's closer and closer to escaping, which makes the climactic collapse of the planet into the blackhole and subsequent death of possessed Toby deeply cathartic.
Where here everything seems disconnected. Sutek has already won, by killing everyone. Then decides because of reasons he'd like to know who Ruby's mother is. Then he's defeated by the vortex, which because of reasons again reverses all the death. That's alright though, the audience remains motivated by who Ruby's mothers is- and oh never mind.
Bit of a meringue of an episode.
Wow, how profound.
And that's why people shit on younger generations.... shroud their shitty work with "lol but it's meta". Its not meta, it's shitty writing.
I love how this is the one time Mel didn’t scream bloody murder.
RTD said a few months back that Ruby's story spans both seasons.
"I'm burning for people to see the story of Ruby Sunday. It's amazing and has so much mileage in it. And it's still burning. It's wonderful. I can't wait for you to see it."
But like her story seems complete, doesn't it? I know shes back next season, but the mystery around her mom is over and done.
Unless they pull a Rise of Skywalker and go back on it. No wait, her mum is actually Palpat.... The Master!
Yeah I agree. This whole season just felt like nothing actually mattered in the end? Like I'm okay with the big reveal being _"there is no big reveal"_ it's kinda RTD pulling a reverse-RTD, and making the mystery-box empty, but that has to in some way service the story, and it doesn't.
We're told Sutek is keeping The Doctor and Ruby alive in order to find out. Then, the pair use that knowledge to defeat Sutek by tricking him. Then, we defeat Sutek with a separate plan entirely of dragging him into the vortex, which we're then told for sci-fi reasons this undoes all the death. Then finally we find out Ruby's mother was actually just a normal person. But none of those things actually link together. And *everybody lives*
I’m thinking it’s not so much who the mother is but who the father is. I have a pretty strong feeling that her father will be revealed to be related to the evil prime minister from 2046 Roger Ap Gwilliam.
@@nickoftimeproductions8719 With the surname "Gwilliam" - related to William? Son of William? Very possible.
Also very possibly another RTD red herring, which I'm slightly exhausted by at the moment, so I won't hold my breath.
I don't think it's complete. If she's human, we don't know why it snows around her or why Maestro was so shocked about some song hidden in the heart or whatever
@@nickoftimeproductions8719I believe Roger is her brother. ap Gwilliam=son of William. He couldn't be her father because he's in his 30s/40s in 2046 so same age as Ruby more or less. Also I'm sure the snow has got to do with the Tardis rather than Ruby. It's such a strong memory for Ruby made even stronger by the weight given to it that the Tardis perception filter does something to bring the snow. The song I believe is just the importance and weight given to the memory but since her story is far from over I'm sure there's going to be a twist in season 2. Also let's not forget the mention of phoenix's. Susan Twist was normal until she wasn't. Maybe setting up Ruby's twist next season? We'll see I guess.
Honestly I think I prefer episodic TV than season long arcs that take years to unravel which is why I didn't mind this season as much as the focus was on different adventures and only in the 2-part finale was it more "connected".
Ok i think i understand, if time is a memory then memory is time travel. Ruby put so much significance on that night on ruby road that when she was introduced to the tardis, a tardis that is connected to that night due to it traveling there, a link in time was formed, a link that is opened, which is why it's snows. Her thinking about that night opens the link, inadvertently using the tardis to bring time to her. We only ever see it snow after she was introduced to the tardis. Memory alone can't literally travel through time, but a powerful memory might be able to, when a literal time machine is at play.
Ncuti shoulda just said that.
@freebird6591 agreed.
Why did the memory of the mom pointing keep changing then? Why point dramatically at a sign when no one else would see it? Why did the Maestro say Ruby was “wrong”?
@chaotic7cam oh I have no idea, those mysteries never got explained
@@chaotic7cam Wasn't the Doctor there to see it?
Considering they specifically mention it earlier, I'm surprised they didn't show the Doctor having a moral dilema over whether to save Skaro or not. Edit: Now that I've gotten to that point in the video, I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed!
He already had a moral dilemma over the Daleks in the Fourth Doctor story "Genesis of the Daleks".
How exactly would he be saving it?
He did say right before he did it that he would have to become a "monster," meaning he recognized it as a monstrous act he would be doing in killing it.
Well, given it was "save Skaro with everyone else" or "let everything stay dead", thats a pretty easy choice lol
I don't think he had a choice and at this point destroying Skaro as early as some of the times he's been there is probably too dangerous with how it could affect time.
As an adoptee, this episode played beautiful music on my heartstrings 💙💙
Same! very real.
so ruby can activate snow at a whim because…? Sutekh wanted to know Ruby’s parents because…?
Your second question was answered in the episode. Sutekh didn't know the identity of someone, and they needed to know the identity to kill them. They didn't like someone being out there and not knowing their identity.
Yes, that raises a lot of questions still, but it's an explanation at least.
@@alexp601 Sutekh didn't need to know someones identity to kill them, given Ruby and The Doctor were the last living things the mum had clearly already been killed by the dust ^^
@@Wolfer1OOO yeah I was thinking that too. Like, whoever she is, she’s gonna be dead because everyone is dead. But for some reason it bothered Sutekh not to know someone’s identity. Whoever she was going to be, it was just going to be ‘ok, yeah I killed her already. Now I can relax’. But the show had to make a huge deal out of the mums identity 😅
@@alexp601 I think the biggest problem was putting a bunch of mystic stuff behind the mums identity (the snow, no-one at all ever being able to see her face (be they there on the day, in the cctv, Sutekh), The 73 yards coming back up, the pointing when she didn't do that before, nothing being able to find her be it modern dna tracing shows or even The Doctor himself, and The Doctors insistance that something is off about it all) and then not paying off any of it all all and saying 'it was only important because everyone is important'. If they round out Ruby's story in the next season and cover it all then fair enough, however if that is the actual resolution for the plot line (which clearly we are meant to believe it is) it's just a gaslighting end
@@Wolfer1OOOThis. All of these problems. I love Doctor Who but people need stop pretending that everything was wrapped up and everything makes sense and be OK with the fact there’s 0 payoff on this “mystery”.
Fully agree with Greg that these should have been two parts. I also think last week's episode was sparse on story - the first two thirds just felt like padding for time - so I personally think that the first half of this episode should have been done last week. Rather than end on the Sutekh reveal, keep going - show the full extent of Sutekh's Empire of Death, end in true Infinity War style with that gorgeous shot of the Doctor screaming out of the TARDIS doors into a dying universe; let us sit with THAT for a week.
I still loved the episode, I think this was a great story, but it could have so much more weight I think if they'd started this episode with something like the woman and spoon scene. There's an implied time jump there anyway, so why not separate that from the previous scenes by an actual week of real time. It's an ideal place to restart the story - seeing the Doctor, Ruby and Mel visiting worlds to gather MacGuffins and witnessing the last breaths of dying worlds. Would have given more time to flesh out Mel's reintroduction that would have made her turn more impactful too.
Also... metal? The Doctor couldn't find a piece of metal on the Memory TARDIS? I'd also use that additional time to convey that it isn't metal he needs, it's sentiment, it's memory - things that are hard to come by in a universe where everyone (and therefore sentiment) is dead. In fact, I'm head-canoning that - the Doctor didn't need a metal spoon, he needed an item of sentimental value.
Apart from that, I have few other criticisms; those other criticisms I do have would be even more nit-picky. It was a great episode.
Actually, it's the opposite. He needs real metal, not a memory of one. He says as much when he breaks the spoon in half
@@TrovaoSmasher You’re right. I’d forgotten that line of dialogue…
But I think my greater point stands. Metal is inert-it isn’t a living thing. I don’t think it should be rare in a dying universe, whereas objects of sentimental value kinda would be; at least thematically in the sense that the people who give objects sentimental value are dying.
Either way I think the scene just exists to humanise the crisis, and I think an emphasis on sentimental memory attached to an object would have played off the episode’s themes just that little bit better… but i’m definitely being a bit nit-picky.
Though on future viewings I’m still assuming that spoon was important to that woman. Gives that scene a little more purpose.
I don’t blame doctor who or the whole team and staff for having such a short season. It’s always the production companies and budget issues. The good thing is that we will get back the Christmas specials! No gap years. And hopefully with the success of the season will get more episodes for the next season.
@@kay-jay1581 Yeah, I think the season length is fine. I wouldn’t split this episode into two, I’d just move the first half of it into last weeks (which felt like it spent too much time setting up the story and almost none advancing it).
There are a few other changes I’d have liked across the season, but overall I’ve been happy with it. The only episode I didn’t like was Space Babies… but that’s fine-most seasons of Doctor Who have episodes that suck. For this season to only have one episode I didn’t care for is pretty remarkable.
@@thombruce Agree. Ending this episode after the devastation then jumping would've made it feel like the 'empire' in question actually happened for more than 20 minutes.
The way I cried just two hours ago, and then just seeing your thumbnail... 😭
I found the Sutekh stuff very anticlimactic after all the build up last week but Sian Clifford's scene and Ruby meeting her birth mother hit me like a ton of bricks. Cried at both. "I think my daughter died and I forgot". Ooof! What a line, what a delivery.
Seeing a lot of mixed opinions about this finale...what would YOU rate this out of 10?
6.5 fs. Mostly cuz the first half was great
7,5
5/10. Performances are always great. But the story just had too many plot holes in it, and not in a " we'll answer these later" kind of way, but in a "WTF, that doesn't make sense" way. I can understand the messaging with the mother and not revealing who Mrs Flood is, but then, why make the former the center of the season? Or have a better explanation for the ordinary nature of it all? And then there's Sutekh, they spent about 9 episodes teasing his return and hyping him up as the god of all gods but once he does the initial thing, he doesn't have much else to do anymore and then the way he's defeated just makes you nervous, what if he were to fall somewhere else he'll cause even more trouble, etc. They could've spent a little more time on how to utilize and then defeat him. Other than that, Performances were good but I expect better than this come S15/S2
I really appreciated it. Roger Ap Gwilliam was teased so hard but sadly we never got real answers, and Ruby's story isn't wrapped up imo. What's the snow about? Why did Maestro sense something wrong with Ruby, just because Sutekh was there on Ruby road? Ultimately I was satisfied, however. We have more time with Ruby next season, and I'm starting to think the trickster might actually happen at that time. I cried quite a lot. I even cried for Sutekh, or maybe more specifically that the doctor had to put him down so brutally. I don't think any answer to Ruby's mom could have been more satisfying than what we got.
Oh, and I don't usually rate things on a scale, because it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
8/10
Some of the CGI early in the episode was sadly disappointingly bad, especially compared to the Sutekh scenes, and Ruby's mom pointing to a sign so dramatically by herself in the middle of the night isn't a satisfying answer as it just doesn't make sense. I don't buy it to the point that I'm wondering if it really was Ruby's mom under that cloak.
9
The ending - I mean the literal last lines delivered on the roof - was an absolute *delight*. I laughed heartily.
Well played.
A woman’s hand picked up the Toymaker as a tooth…
That was the master
The tooth was the Master, and the hand was a callback to the end of season 3 where a similar hand picked up his ring after his death. That time it was the leader of some Master cult who ended up resurrecting him later on, but she dead during the resurrection. So I'm not sure who did it this time. Maybe Mrs Flood? But we haven't seen her wear red nail polish yet
In my mind the snowing makes sense if you take it as Sutekh creating it not Ruby. Harbinger Mel said Sutekh controlled dust (which we clearly see) but also ice. Sutekh wished to find the name of Ruby's mother and everytime anyone brought it up or got close it began to snow out of his anticipation for his wish to come true
Damn this came out fast. The reacting goats as always.
Since the 15th Doctor duplicated the Tardis, does Sutekh still exist on the 14th Doctor's Tardis? Thoughts?
Don't think about it too much 😂
The implication is that Ncuti's is the original and David's is just a copy of the machine. You can't really replicate a god so 14's is safe lol
Logically speaking yes.
Just a friendly reminder to everyone that Mel had been dead for a while and was only kept moving via Sutekh's power. She said she was tired innthe Memory TARDIS. So she died across the room from the Doctor and Ruby, all while snuggling with Six and Seven's clothes. 🙃🙃🙃
Then why did sutekh have to talk and manipulate her in the hallway into succumbing to him? When the doc sent her out to 'keep watch'. I think he infected her in the memory tardis, partially controlled her then fully embodied her after she gave in, in the hallway.
What a way to go 😭😭😭
Underwhelming as a finale, but I've enjoyed the season quite a bit. If this is the base that can be built on going forward, I'm more than satisfied with that for Doctor Who.
- Why didn't they just go to 2046 right at the start of the series?
- Why did it actually snow?
- Why bother pointing at the sign? Nuns didn't see her so no one would know she was naming her
- What happened to Sutekh when the TARDIS was split?
- What happened to the memory TARDIS?
- 14 and Donna must have been turned to dust, wonder what he thought of that lol
- Sutekh was mystified by this random woman even though he could see ALL of time and space. Why couldn't he see 2046 when the mum took the DNA test? Surely he could find out who she was
It was all very meh tbh
We NEED a Susan cameo this era, surely!
I can’t wait for the reunion scene in a future multi doctor with Tenant giving Gatwa a look and saying “You turned me into dust!”
Why would they go to a place they have no reason to at the time?
They couldn't go because they had no idea TO go there until literally SHOWN.
It snowed because SOMETHING didn't want the universe to end. Maybe Time, or maybe the tardis which is, you known, an eldritch abomination in its own right.
A 15 year old kid giving birth, doing something random that only matters to her? Teens aren't usually known for thinking rationally and having recently given birth and in shock less rational.
One sutekh so goes to one tardis. Besides for all we know it's the same tardis at different points in time.
Memory tardis probably gone.
14 and donne dust just comedy gold for later.
And lastly Sutekh is an arrogant monster who spent billions of years watching everything and STILL wanting to destroy everything. Someone this arrogant or stupid wouldn't realize hey maybe this one thing I can't see isn't important. He literally wants to kill everything out of the fear something might evolve to challenge him. And considering he knows about the pantheon of chaos he might think Ruby is the child of the Trickster, Mara or some other eldritch monster and is just waiting to see what their 'plan' is. That's the whole point of Sutekh. He literally can't stand the idea of life because he thinks the living are pathetic and only he deserves to exist, so the thought ANYTHING is outside his grasp would drive him mad. He's the equivalent of a spoiled child being told no about anything, it rankles him.
They literally explained all of that and the rest is media literacy
@@wisewillowgamesLmao they didn’t explain shit. Shoddy writing for the finale and that’s coming from someone who liked the rest of the season.
I agree. It should have been a 3 part story. Part 1 the build up to Sutekh’s reveal & the cliffhanger being the dusting. part 2 the Doctor Ruby & Mel trying to survive & evade Sutekh. Part 3 The resolution.
Me and my cousin watched it at the cinema at a midnight (UK) showing with last weeks episode the hour before.
Im sorry for his loss of sleep for this rubbish lol
@@jdgjagerbomber9430every season finale is like this lol
@@jdgjagerbomber9430rubbish? It was a good episode yeah it was bit rush but because the season was cut off. But come on have you seen the episodes from 11-13. Now that was a complete snooze fest. Dear god I knew ahead of time that they were bad seasons but no one told me it was going to be painfully boring with chibnal as show runner.
This season was so good and it’s bringing Doctor Who to a new era. First season are not always the best but I really loved what we got. Millie Gibson was her of a companion! I will miss her
Stony silence or booing at the end?
32:33
I think that might be Hecuba The Queen of Time. She is another member of the Panethon and is the Toymakers sister.
Like her brother, she was fond of playing deadly games with less powerful beings with their freedom at stake, but while he was fond of games with toys, her games and traps were related to time and clocks.
If Ruby's Mom is just a Normal Regular person what was with that Dungeons and Dragons Cosplay Hooded Robe she just happened to be wearing when dropping her kid off in a basket? 😆
Her middle name is red herring
What about the fact that a literal god with control of the tardis couldn't figure out that a completely normal woman gave birth to a completely normal child. Why did it even matter to him? What about the other 8 billion people he didn't know?
Instead of doing an extra episode for the finale, part one’s cliffhanger should’ve been everyone dying. Then they could’ve lived in the “end of the universe” longer in episode two.
Or not gone so overboard with the "everyone is dead everywhere" thing. It became deeply apparent we were going to get a reset-button ending really early on, which made it hard to invest in anything that happened.
I've a feeling that Mrs. Flood isn't exactly a villain like other people think but some kind of a 'fairy godmother' who could be shielding Ruby's family from the evil gods' wrath for some mysterious reason (or perhaps she uses Ruby's 'secret heritage' as a ploy/red herring to fool Sutekh and take his place, I dunno), not to mention the snow appears again when Flood breaks the fourth wall for the second time (in which she predicts 15's fate through some kind of godly powers), implying she's the ONE who causes the snow to fall. However, her connection to Ruby's family and her ultimate goal still remain an enigma.
Somebody pointed on a podcast that in "The Giggles" at the end when Tennant's 14th and Rosie are sitting at the table for the end of episode lunch with everyone they mention smth along the lines of "We went to Mars...again".
RTD doing what he does. Plotting storylines way in advance without us even noticing.
All throughout this season I've thought about Ncuti's face when you asked him about other incarnations of the Doctor. 😁👏👏👏You were SO onto a key element of the season!
Tales of the Tardis episodes are available in the US, they’re on the official DW channel on RUclips. Except the one that aired prior to the finale, but they do have synopsis of Pyramids of Mars.
It's a certain hour in the night 😭
IIRC, Troughton called his TARDIS with a whistle but, it happened during a story with Colin Baker, which had heavy "Season 6B" connotations.
My head canon is that the Tardis extended its perception filter to cloak rubys mum and also the snow, the song in ruby that maestro took, even the woman 73 yards away in order to conjure up a mystery so great that Sutekh would reveal himself just to get him on the Tardis’s back. That allows for the “ordinary is special” ending whilst still explaining loose ends like the snow!!
But why didn’t they explain that in the show?!
I know people are like “but what about the snow?” But I thought the scene with Mrs Flood at the end when it’s snowing was suggesting that we’ll find out more about that next season
Exactly. In my opinion, Ruby’s story is not over, I still think there’s something special about her. People jump into conclusion way too fast like they’ve never seen a season finale that still hasn’t answered their questions before.
We won't hold our breath.
Christmas
More like "how does a god with control over a time machine not have the ability to figure out who a normal woman's normal mother is?" The ONLY people who gave a shit about ruby were the God's so don't give me that "it's only important because people thought she was important" crap ... NOBODY KNEW HER. It's poor writing and seems to be centered about some feel-good theme or to seem like the show has more going on than it does
Yessss a crying thumbnail. Yessss I fainted twice just seeing your thumbnail. The circle is complete 😂
Millie Gibson will be back next season. She may not be the full time companion, but it is confirmed she and the lady from Boom, will be companions.
was it you guys that had the ernie and bert/deadpool and woliverine shirt? bc i looked at your site and don't see it. is it still possible to still buy it?
Doc said Sutekh made him the bringer of death not bc he killed Sutekh, he's killed plenty before, he said it bc in order to fix things, he had to literally bring death to all creation by pulling Sutekh through the entire Time Vortex once again
Love This season. Love This episode. Will always love this show, no matter what
Davies said Ruby will be back full time next season along with another companion we've already met.
THANKS for this!!!! Oh, I'm living on RUclips trying to figure this out!!! LOL!!!!
One thing I'm curious about that's probably just a simple foresight is Ruby seeing the Vortex. It's not safe to look into the Time Vortex, it's an initiation ritual at the Time Lord Academy, and it literally drove The Master insane. Now granted, we don't directly see Ruby looking out into the Vortex, but it's HIGHLY unlikely to not have looked while Sutekh was out there and especially not when the Doctor was at the door. How was Ruby, an ordinary woman, able to look into the Time Vortex and be completely unaffected?
I saw last week someone noticed Mrs Flood was wearing clothes similar to Clara's, and this ep she says Clara's line "Clever Boy"
Coincidence? Hint? Red Herring?
Understanding RTD's recent experiences with death that final speech the Doctor gives Suhtek hits so much harder.
😊 hello boys. So maybe you already know, but if not, no spoilers here. At the time that we are watching the finale Millie Gibson had decided to return to the series. When they shot this whole series, she was not going to return so that’s why this season ended the way it did with an actual end to Ruby’s story. But I think now the fact that she changed her mind or they worked something out and she is returning for the next season. It works better now build up of their adventures together.
🎶 "Good, bye... Ruby Sunday. Your moms did hang a name on you..."
Mrs Flood: “That clever Boy”
Clara “Run you clever boy, and remember.”
Either purely coincidence or a red-herring but definitely something I think.
I will literally stop watching forever if they bring back Clara. I hated her and on rewatches I skip most of the episodes she is in.
@Happymama12 so that means you watch almost none of Capaldi's tenure and you skip Day of the Doctor. That sounds like a rough life as A Doctor Who fan lol.
@@bigjsquare1988 I said I skip most, not all. There were A LOT of episodes during capaldi’s run that were just plain bad (ie kill the moon, sleep no more, forest of the night etc). Day of the doctor was Clara lite enough that I can just ignore her. Still plenty of a doctor who fan. You can be a doctor who fan and not like Clara. There’s also a significant number of people who share my views. I can watch episodes and remember what happens without having to see every episode every watch through. I just simply don’t enjoy a lot of the episodes she’s in. There are skip/watch lists for doctor who (and many other shows) and a lot of Clara’s episodes are in the skip pile.
@@Happymama12This. I got a few Clara vibes in some parts of this season it made me so mad we might see her again.
@@TARDISeraphim yea I did on some things but I think it’s misdirection. RTD loves to mislead us 😂 I definitely don’t think she’s an evil character though. The thing is, she knew sutekh was waiting which means she knew he was a part of the tardis this whole time. I have some theories for sure. But I also had soooo many theories about Ruby and her mom and they just turned out to be ordinary people so I’m probably wrong about everything 😂🤦♀️
Kate said, "there will be birds" and i cried. i love this show, so much!
Which is a moment I feel could've really carried weight if Kate *had* actually died. I realise they weren't going to wipe out Rose, but she was barely in the episode anyway and could've been elsewhere.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want Kate to die, but that's why the moment would've mattered.
Hey guys, love the videos !)
I wanted to understand one thing, l've subscribed to your Patreon to watch you guys react to The Boys, but whenever I watch the full video the screen is blurred and theres a timer on there. I understand that may be because of copyright issues, but if so... then what is the point of the Patreon? Like what am I supposed to do with the blurred screen😅
Im not hating, l
love you guys a lot and watch your videos all day... I'm just confused and wanted to ask this question
You need your own version. Its so you can watch their reaction to the whole 1 hour episode and not the edited down 15-20 mins. You must still have you own copy for legal reasons. Means you sorta need 2 screens up in some way to watch it.
The point of Patreon is just to get their full reactions.
Very good epsiode and very hearwarming at the end. All those people scrambling from the bus was ridiculous though. If you see a giant dust clouds approaching and you have no way of knowing that it is killer dust, would you rather be out in the street or inside a bus with closed doors? 😉
So when i started watching this season - someone on reddit who apparently worked on the show said there was a hidden celestial character who was the embodiment of storytelling and because she often mentioned stories everyone assumed it was Ruby but i think it was Mrs Flood and it was even more confirmed by how she ended the episode like a bedtime story
Don’t worry Ruby will be back next season her story isn’t over yet
I’m stealing “I just got sad nipple chills”
When the sky was torn apart above NY and everyone came back to life, the rift reminded me of that scene from Spiderman No Way Home and I thought Unit was Avengers tower for a second 😂
Telling you now Ncuti's doctor is gonna become the valeyard and he's gonna have to change it
Ngl I will love to see that
26:02 the fact that she's SO nice is amazing
The guy awkwardly holding Ruby's cappuccino while other customers' drinks are probably coming up...
People who complain about this ending being rushed … have you been asleep for every season finale of doctor who because this has always been a thing?
You're right! I just didn't get all of this one. But that's why RUclips exists!!!! LOL!!!!
@@IsiahBradley I love doctor who but hey we’re back to the long tradition of an easy fix finale I like the familiarity of it
@@kordei-7839 :)
100 percent this season has been the best doctor who has been for years but that doesn't excuse bad ending, loved some parts but the way they defeated sutech was horrific, doctor who has always struggled with finales
@@kadegetslaid634 My verdict is boldest but most confusing Who. A lot of connections I didn't understand. I'm glad RUclips is here! :)
I have loved Ncuti Gatwa as the Dr. But honestly, this season has been seriously hit and miss for me. Rogue was easily my favourite episode overall
Kinda disappointed they didn’t follow up on the Granddaughter bit. I do not think next season they will continue that thread and I will be pleasantly surprised if they do follow up on Susan.
I was totally confused and spent the last 5min watching this last one in tears. I've just come straight here after for the rejects thoughts. I got an Avengers End game feel
Even though we say goodbye to Ruby Sunday (for now), the mystery with Mrs. Flood continues.
Onward to Series 15!
It’s one in the morning 😭
Also, Ruby Sunday is still gonna be on Doctor Who for next year but with another companion to make a TARDIS trio.
Again it strongly seems like "Mrs. Flood" is some kind of villain, but for some reason i feel like she might actually be some kind of "Narrator" (god or something) and actually neutral rather than evil.
The reveal of Ruby's mystery was absolute horseshit.
Loved the scene with the spoon lady - definitely would have loved a whole episode that sat in that vibe, and then another episode with the final confrontation/dealing with Ruby's conclusion
I agree, we needed more of that. See the disaster and destruction Sutekh created.
Lovely reaction, thank you for the tears ❤❤❤
Great Reaction!
The memory Tardis was used in the 60th specials for Tales of the Tardis. Americans can catch some on You Tube. They had past Doctors and Companions meet there.
Btw I’m pretty sure Mrs. Flood is a version of Clara Oswald from capaldi and Matt smiths eras since she said her “clever boy” thingy and they wore the same shirt the previous episode
Previously I thought she was just Susan the Doctor's granddaughter (and she might still be Susan, who knows lol) but now I'm thinking she could be Romana the other major time lord we haven't seen in quite a while. Considering how they ended the episode with her in that very white furry coat and that parasol - which is VERY Romana, it could just be her. Or it could be Susan. Or the Master. Or another Pantheon god (but maybe not an evil one?). It's weird leaving it on a cliffhanger with her like that, but I like that they are setting things up for the next season/series or the Christmas special etc.
@@LordLOCI think, Mrs. Flood is a goddess of stories. She is a writer god. She write and tell stories. She is not evil, but don't help.
@@LordLOCit's not Romana. If it was, she wouldn’t have hidden from the Doctor
I don’t see it being Clara as Clara is stuck in the same moment between life and death, so shouldn’t age at all. Very possibly the Rani with the name drop in the penultimate episode
@@TheLibrarianOG1 If it's Susan, why would she hide from the Doctor then also? If it's the Rani, again why hide? I think whoever she is, she's biding her time for whatever is coming (next season one assumes, they can't really drag this on for 3 or 4 seasons can they? lol) next. Those lines she said to Cherry, at the very least we know she has a "true form".
His story ends in absolute terror. Awesome thanks for the information. What now?! They goodbye was very emotional and what he is gonna die now
Mrs Flood is something else completely. Can't wait for more on her.
What a season of Doctor Who! It's been an awesome adventure, in my opinion! Ncuti has been an incredible Doctor, and Millie Gibson has been such a fun companion! I was super stoked to hear she's returning for Season 2 even if she isn't the main companion anymore. I loved/enjoyed so many episodes of this season! The magic of Doctor Who is so special, and I felt it throughout this entire story! This has got to be the most fun I've had with a TV show in a while! It was just a great time from beginning to end, and I can't wait for Season 2 of this era. I had some issues with a couple of the episodes, even including the finale, but I was completely entertained from beginning to end, and I was just having so much fun! Loved it! 8/10 is my score for Season 1!
We must have been watching different shows!! haha but im glad there are a group still able to enjoy it
@@jdgjagerbomber9430It's a rather big group of people
"Still able to enjoy it", lol as if in 65 years all season were top tier seasons. This was genuinely a very entertaining season. @jdgjagerbomber9430
Not ending the last episode with the infinity war style dusting is a rookie error too, opening with it instead kills the stakes for the rest of the episode because you know it has to end with at least a partial reversal 😂
Think that the security guard with the stache was in some old spice commercials
29:24 my birth mom was 14 when she gave me up for adoption and this part ripped my heart out. I’m 32 now and still sometimes wonder what she’s like.
My mind always refers to runy as ruby rose partly bc of ruby road and also a friend of mine gave her daughter the first and middles names ruby rose 😂
I keep seeing this theory.
Melody pond, river song and Carol flood 😮
It doesn’t help to dispel the theory when Mrs. Flood comes out in a white coat the way River wore white coats. The never really knowing if we’re dealing with villain or hero with how she treated Cherry. The snark. I’m willing to guess River or the Master.
Not me crying again watching your reaction 😅
Greg/John are you aware of the popping sounds during your reactions? It's very noticeable in the review section of the video. It's been going on for a couple of weeks now.
What would Sutekh do if he got free? Why, kill everything everywhere everywhen. And so he did.
He cried when Ruby left the TARDIS in this episode, so he cried in 9 out of 9.
what i wanna know is back in the toymaker episode when the tardis was duplicated if sutekh was ontop of the tardis at that point would it not mean that sutekh was also duplicated thus while sutekh was killed from 15s tardis there is still a sutekh on 14s tardis which means should they ever wanna bring sutekh round again they have a way to bring him back
The ending to the plot of a lot of Star Trek TNG and X-Files episodes only comes at the very last minute and they never feel rushed so maybe they should take a page out how TNG episodes was made.
That was definitely the second part of a Russell T Davies finale
Love from Belgium 🇧🇪 ❤
😊 hello I’m back. In wild blue yonder, they were at the edge of the universe beyond the edge of the universe is where gods and higher beings exist. Where Sutekh was trapped they called that a time corridor. Think of it as the tunnel that the doctor traverses when he’s going through time. in my theory in wild blue yonder when tenant went to the edge of the universe and did his thing what he did was basically weaken the veil of reality so that can gain advantage.
so in the big bang Matt Smith(doctor) restarted the universe so there is a line against all of those places he want and the TARDIS only re-appeared because Amy remembered him but she wouldnt haver remembered Sutekh if he had been attatched since Tom bakers doctor.
So if 15 ever meets a past doctor with their tardis is Sutekh gonna start freaking out seeing he's not there
Isn’t flying into the time vortex with the tardis doors open like stupid dangerous.