I love the Scarlet Witch. I’m a huge fan, but the idea that she can be a match at all, in ANY universe to the Phoenix Force, is beyond ridiculous and laughable. Clearly, those making such claims know nothing about the Phoenix.
Exactly! Especially with the White Phoenix of the Crown, which Jean Grey eventually becomes. We need a movie that does Jean Grey justice. The movie we got were awful. Althought, I love Famke Janssen.
The retcons are too confusing , but the Force goes well with Jean and Rachel. Too bad other writers have made the PF so convoluted (Especially Jason Aaron. Who I really LIKE as a writer, but he did NOT have a good grip on or understand the PF!).
The Phoenix force should only have ever been associated with Jean period. Instead the 'writers" cheapened it by passing it around to characters who had no business possessing it, The connection between the Phoenix force and Jean was originally a very unique set of circumstances that should not have been repeated.
@@jasonfield7825 it makes sense for it to pass on to Rachel and descendants of Jean because hosts are going to want to die at some point and it can have another when they do. Passing it to other people is dumb. Not sure how that is woke, but it is the new boogie man so it doesn’t have to make sense.
@bbsy1 Well The celestial judge kinda re-established that Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force are essentially one being and based on the fact only Jean has achieved White Phoenix of the Crown. Jean is it's true host/perfect host
Thanks for mentioning Rachel (many ignore her) and not making her seem insignificant. Unlike Jean and others she never went "Dark" with the power of the Phoenix which really shows her incredible will power.
@@Niconsernetta7321-uf2lt The Phoenix Force is Jean and Jean is the Phoenix Force. Even if somehow she gets separated from the it and Wanda kills her, the Phoenix will bring her back. It will always bring Jean back.
I loved the dark phoenix movie and I loved Famke Jenson playing her in the earlier movie. Why people have to be so intense with likes and dislikes is crazy.
I wished for that power since I first read the Phoenix Saga back in '79. But I'm middle aged now and mature enough to know that it's too much for any mortal to handle.......but I'll always have my fantasies, though.
@@sammiejaeyoung1316 sometimes I wish I had telepathy like Jean’s, or some probability manipulation, just so I can protect myself from bad people, but maybe that’s also too much to ask for. 😂
much love Jeannie .. you absolute most beautiful RED of the Marvel universe and RED SONJA of course even if she wasn't necessarily created by Marvel but she is in there in all her sensual RED glory thanks for the video guys and for reminding the world that X-MEN deserves the greatest of all loves NOW&ALWAYS
Yes the phoenix force is the phoenix itself I was able to put that much together and I get these people points but that ain’t happening as far as I know and the same for any super power being like knull I be surprised if they got galactis at least you kind of saw him on fantastic four rise his presence was known and I think you saw a image of his face in the sky 🌌 I be glad it you see him in person thanos is the closest you get since he is haif eternal
White Phoenix is almost as powerful as True Phoenix Force ..Dark Phoenix is just a universal aspect that has been corupted..White Phoenix >>>>>>Dark Phoenix..
The MCU screwed up with X-Men Apocalypse show Jean already having the Phoenix Force then confusing audiences with Dark Phoenix where Jean becomes the Dark Phoenix. They didn't bother doing what the comics & animated show in the 90s did I would like to see a live version where it's done right first Phoenix then Dark Phoenix I would like Sophie Turner as Jean again but by then she'll be too old. But if they did it now Sophie could still do it but if they go with another actress I think Elena Satine would make a perfect Jean Grey hell she would've made an excellent Black Widow since she has natural red hair she's from Russia.
What happened in Apocalypse wasn't the full Phoenix Force bruh it was a small fraction the Phoenix Force put in Jean as a child when she used it in that movie the actual Force began traveling to Earth to find its perfect host
Me: Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Holy spirit: My child, I am not that destructive unless there is a reason for it, and you know that. Me: Yeah, I know. I'm one to talk. Really I was talking about the similarities in the origin. The only difference is that you physically don't have an origin.
Honestly I gave up trying to fully understand Marvel comics. Its to much. Have to just use it as entertainment and not an aspect of my unstoppable curiosity.
They are not remotely string enough for it the reason jean could is her phys abilities they do not have the mental ability it would destroy there mind or just take over
@@Niconsernetta7321-uf2lt He didn't see the video, and he didn't talk about his scale of power either, he's only behind TOA, and you compare it with the speed force? good joke
@@adoniscreed3768because she’s an established character over like 60+ years or smt? Make a new character if you want them to be black and trans. Nothing says you can’t make them cool as heck. You can even make adaptations like the Little Mermaid being black and I really don’t care, I liked that movie. But Jena Grey is well established across many forms of media and many years. The little mermaid had one movie. It’s just weird to so completely change a character and messes with the canon aspect of it. If you want diversity make new characters. There’s already so many important marvel characters in the comics you dang near need a PHD to know them all by name let alone all of their powers. What’s a few more going to hurt? If the character is cool and deserving then they will have fans, period.
@@cosmictraveler1146they really do for a character so well established. You’re telling me if they made Wolverine a gay or trans black person you wouldn’t have a problem with it? Why can’t it at least be a different version of the character like with spiderman? You’re literally “unaliving” a well established character. With the little mermaid it didn’t really matter that was one movie, but Jean Grey or Wolverine have been in their current form for many, many decades. And that doesn’t mean it’s “time for a change.” That means it’s extremely weird to just completely change the character. They can make a character just like her that’s black and trans but Jean Grey is a white straight red head, period.
I love the Scarlet Witch. I’m a huge fan, but the idea that she can be a match at all, in ANY universe to the Phoenix Force, is beyond ridiculous and laughable. Clearly, those making such claims know nothing about the Phoenix.
Exactly! Especially with the White Phoenix of the Crown, which Jean Grey eventually becomes. We need a movie that does Jean Grey justice. The movie we got were awful. Althought, I love Famke Janssen.
I agree in fact, Jean could use telepathy to control scarlets weak mind so easy
She only defeated a weak Phoenix Force
P@@collectiveconsciousnessbeings
@@rusticoquiambao3085 what???
The retcons are too confusing , but the Force goes well with Jean and Rachel. Too bad other writers have made the PF so convoluted (Especially Jason Aaron. Who I really LIKE as a writer, but he did NOT have a good grip on or understand the PF!).
The Phoenix force should only have ever been associated with Jean period. Instead the 'writers" cheapened it by passing it around to characters who had no business possessing it, The connection between the Phoenix force and Jean was originally a very unique set of circumstances that should not have been repeated.
I hate Jason Aarons writing.....he "woke-ifies" EVERYTHING he touches.
@@jasonfield7825 it makes sense for it to pass on to Rachel and descendants of Jean because hosts are going to want to die at some point and it can have another when they do. Passing it to other people is dumb. Not sure how that is woke, but it is the new boogie man so it doesn’t have to make sense.
@bbsy1 Well The celestial judge kinda re-established that Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force are essentially one being and based on the fact only Jean has achieved White Phoenix of the Crown. Jean is it's true host/perfect host
Jason Aaron is an awful writer, his bad crazy retcons make it more awful!
Thanks for mentioning Rachel (many ignore her) and not making her seem insignificant. Unlike Jean and others she never went "Dark" with the power of the Phoenix which really shows her incredible will power.
This was a very good video. It’s hard to fully encompass all the details of something like the phoenix but this video does an overall great job!
She did her thing. Really did a good job of it.
the MCU needs to get the Phoenix right especially after what the Fox X-Men films did to it.
MCU TRASH
It’s time to move on from it…Maybe in another 10-15 years when x-men have been well established in the MCU
@@jaymart7436 you may be right on that, but that can change in another 7-15 years when we approach to Phase 7-9.
@@jaymart7436 MCU BEEN TRASH AFTER ENDGAME
If they get her to be like the thumbnail, it's half the work done!
also phoenix force of the old universe protected galactus letting him survive the when it dies and the new universe began.
Very nice video and you actually didn't mess up. You said most of the facts. Thanks for your due diligence in your research. Cudos to you!! ❤
And some people say that Wanda Beats her
@@Niconsernetta7321-uf2lt Jean and the phoenix are the same
honestly what drugs are they on??? 😂😭
@@Niconsernetta7321-uf2lt The Phoenix Force is Jean and Jean is the Phoenix Force. Even if somehow she gets separated from the it and Wanda kills her, the Phoenix will bring her back. It will always bring Jean back.
😂on god
I loved the dark phoenix movie and I loved Famke Jenson playing her in the earlier movie. Why people have to be so intense with likes and dislikes is crazy.
I wish I had the power of the Phoenix Force. Then, I shall have all the freedom I've been craving for.
I wished for that power since I first read the Phoenix Saga back in '79. But I'm middle aged now and mature enough to know that it's too much for any mortal to handle.......but I'll always have my fantasies, though.
@@sammiejaeyoung1316 sometimes I wish I had telepathy like Jean’s, or some probability manipulation, just so I can protect myself from bad people, but maybe that’s also too much to ask for. 😂
I want none of that shit, I rather be one with the one above all just like thanos did. 🙏🏽☝🏾😂 then again you'll be truly Boundless.
@@BIGALEX_DRDOOM keep dreaming!!!
@@JJDK485 least I'm not a simp for that chick and her powers. 🤷🏾♂️🙏🏽🤣🤦🏾♂️
Just watched your Emma Frost video and I was like I need to know more about the Phoenix force and here you are
I want to see a
"Phoenix Force--Ghost Rider"
I like the phoenix force
To me despite the other hosts Jean Grey is Phoenix.
much love Jeannie ..
you absolute most beautiful RED of the Marvel universe
and RED SONJA of course
even if she wasn't necessarily created by Marvel
but she is in there in all her sensual RED glory
thanks for the video guys and for reminding the world that X-MEN deserves the greatest of all loves
NOW&ALWAYS
Tony Stank, saved by another phoenix 😯♥️
A gift to the sentry......
11:20 👀 ain’t no way, suddenly in the mood to eat red snapper.
Yes the phoenix force is the phoenix itself I was able to put that much together and I get these people points but that ain’t happening as far as I know and the same for any super power being like knull I be surprised if they got galactis at least you kind of saw him on fantastic four rise his presence was known and I think you saw a image of his face in the sky 🌌 I be glad it you see him in person thanos is the closest you get since he is haif eternal
❤ Neat!
Who's more powerful?
White Phoenix or Dark Phoenix?
I think white phoenix of the crown is more powerful
White Phoenix is the perfect form
White Phoenix is almost as powerful as True Phoenix Force ..Dark Phoenix is just a universal aspect that has been corupted..White Phoenix >>>>>>Dark Phoenix..
@@michalischronis5440Dark Phoenix is considered an omniversal/ multiversal threat.
HOW did you forget HOPE summers ...damn
Thank you!
The MCU screwed up with X-Men Apocalypse show Jean already having the Phoenix Force then confusing audiences with Dark Phoenix where Jean becomes the Dark Phoenix. They didn't bother doing what the comics & animated show in the 90s did I would like to see a live version where it's done right first Phoenix then Dark Phoenix I would like Sophie Turner as Jean again but by then she'll be too old. But if they did it now Sophie could still do it but if they go with another actress I think Elena Satine would make a perfect Jean Grey hell she would've made an excellent Black Widow since she has natural red hair she's from Russia.
What happened in Apocalypse wasn't the full Phoenix Force bruh it was a small fraction the Phoenix Force put in Jean as a child when she used it in that movie the actual Force began traveling to Earth to find its perfect host
@@308719236 You sure about that?
@Catspaw if you know the comic history you would know the Phoenix Force was aware of Jean as a child and left apart of its power dormant in Jean.
What Crystal? Was it the M”Kann?
yes Phoenix is the protector of the M’Kraan Crystal
Atom Eve too.
Phoenix is definitely hotter than the human torch lol
Phoenix force vs the Void, who wins?
Who what how when why...
Deadpool 3' the scent of fear'
Spoilers 😭♥️
*I was just watching an animation by Antikxge on RUclips, where dr.doom crack the shi out of cyclops neck. That was cool af.* 🙏🏽🤣
Starfire and Liz Sherman are other Phoenix.
Phoenix Force returns always to Jean cause she asked for help and her body along with her psy powers incarnated Phoenix
Me: Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
Holy spirit: My child, I am not that destructive unless there is a reason for it, and you know that.
Me: Yeah, I know. I'm one to talk. Really I was talking about the similarities in the origin. The only difference is that you physically don't have an origin.
M'Kraan (em-cron)
*AVENGERS ...... Assemble!!*
Honestly I gave up trying to fully understand Marvel comics. Its to much. Have to just use it as entertainment and not an aspect of my unstoppable curiosity.
Phoenix is just for comics. Even in comics, I felt it was ridiculous. 😊
Well, Marvel's Phoenix of course, the Phoenix in other stories are just mythical creatures that have the power to heal like in Harry Potter.
Too many damned commercials to watch this. Lame!!!
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I would love to see Emma Frost, Firestar, Iceman, Pettra, Winddancer, Eclipse, Armor, and also Polaris with the Phoenix Forces Powers!
They are not remotely string enough for it the reason jean could is her phys abilities they do not have the mental ability it would destroy there mind or just take over
I love you very much
Now, Phoenix Force VS Speed Force
🦅🔥 VS ⚡⚡...
@@Niconsernetta7321-uf2lt He didn't see the video, and he didn't talk about his scale of power either, he's only behind TOA, and you compare it with the speed force? good joke
@@Niconsernetta7321-uf2ltSpeed Force is nothing compared to the Phoenix..
The flash win.....lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
Who that thot calling nerds
Nobody did the Phoenix saga better than the animated series & when Disney does it they probably will make Jean a black trans person lol
What’s wrong with being black and trans jeans race shouldn’t matter to the story
You people look insane saying stuff like this you know that right?
Her gender identity and race have nothing to do with her character if they were to,get real problems.
@@adoniscreed3768because she’s an established character over like 60+ years or smt? Make a new character if you want them to be black and trans. Nothing says you can’t make them cool as heck. You can even make adaptations like the Little Mermaid being black and I really don’t care, I liked that movie. But Jena Grey is well established across many forms of media and many years. The little mermaid had one movie. It’s just weird to so completely change a character and messes with the canon aspect of it. If you want diversity make new characters. There’s already so many important marvel characters in the comics you dang near need a PHD to know them all by name let alone all of their powers. What’s a few more going to hurt?
If the character is cool and deserving then they will have fans, period.
@@cosmictraveler1146they really do for a character so well established. You’re telling me if they made Wolverine a gay or trans black person you wouldn’t have a problem with it? Why can’t it at least be a different version of the character like with spiderman? You’re literally “unaliving” a well established character. With the little mermaid it didn’t really matter that was one movie, but Jean Grey or Wolverine have been in their current form for many, many decades. And that doesn’t mean it’s “time for a change.” That means it’s extremely weird to just completely change the character. They can make a character just like her that’s black and trans but Jean Grey is a white straight red head, period.