Pro-Palestine Journalist Shocks Destiny w/ Best Israel Convo Ever
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- DEBATE: Marc Lamont Hill talks with Destiny before Hasan on Israel and Palestine and gives him an excellent convo with no gotchas and insightful knowledge...
Date: 12 Feb, 2024
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00:00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:00:58 Destiny debates Marc Lamont Hill
02:15:57 Israel doesn't care about hostages
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You just linked to this video again
Wrong link
"When you weaponize an ahistoic, utopian standard you're ensuring yourself ample opportunity to virtue signal. These people don't care about peace; they care about vanity." Why does this comment keep getting deleted?
This is a perfectly logical claim. The more stringent the standard, the more likely it is for someone not to live up to it. If someone wanted to increase their opportunities to reference a moral imperative, they would be better off choosing a stringent one. Why do you keep deleting my comment?
Wrong link august
This guy made a point to *NOT* dodge questions. He brought up points Destiny conceded to and even conceded to his. Please have him on again!
When did Marc concede? Not being accusatory or anything, but it seemed more like Destiny conceded way more.
@bend6223 he did atleast 2-3 times in like the 1st hour i dont have the strength to rewatch and find the points for you tho lol
@@myronwilliams3340 - MLH never conceded to any of the anemic points that Destiny made. Destiny isn't an expert at all in any of this, MLH is.
@@hcpalmerdid you just say MLH was an expert on the Israeli Palestine conflict? What a silly take. He is a journalist who lightly covers a wide array of things, typically not very critically as far as depth is concerned. He's not dumb, but he's not an expert on most of the shit he discusses
@@Fergieh8er12 - You are incorrect.
A subjective observation: Destiny seems to give Israel the benefit of the doubt in almost every scenario, to the point that it negates the faith in his logical analysis
But I think that’s because Destiny did a lot of his own research and came to the conclusion that this is a good default position to start from.
@@thegzakdefinitely not…the more research you do actually the less you’d want to start from that position…
He's doing it on purpose, he recognizes that almost everyone in this space supports the Palestinians and is capitalizing on an opportunity to seem controversial, which increases his engagement and views.
I think it’s extremely unlikely that he’s being disingenuous for many hours over the course of many debates. I’m not saying he’s wrong or right, just pointing out why his stance is the way it is. Also this debate highlights just how differently people can interpret the same set of facts, so I wouldn’t say there’s one objective conclusion that any reasonable researcher will reach on this topic, and anyone else isn’t arguing in good faith.
@@thegzak you can argue that any scenario in the world doesn’t have an objective conclusion. Nazis had a different conclusion to most people - are most people not arguing in good faith?
This is a master class of someone that expertly knows the law to another individual with well rehearsed talking points. There is a clear difference
Its amazing the confidence in which he speaks in contrast to his actual knowledge. Hill just spews sentences with no factual basis.
He is just trying to win a debate.
Wasn't Marc the one who didn't know the law?
@@user-yw2ny4it3hWhat? did you actually watch the video?
@@robertjackson2878 no, i just commented as if i watched it.
@@robertjackson2878 yes I watched the video. All MLH's arguments were based on emotion, a double standard of warfare between the two sides, and a misunderstanding of international law. You probably are experiencing this as well.
Did this guy just say a kid with a sling shot against a tank and a soldier with a rifle, is a militant? That's some next level deranged...
Yeah, Destiny failed with that. But there are many hamas militants under the age of 19y (which is the threshold underneath the define "child", so a 18y militant died is considered as a child).
This is besides the point. The point is that presenting, for instance, the death of a 17 year old terrorist with an AK 47 carrying out military operations and murdering civilians as “They killed a child” is clearly extremely misleading.
@@meltedsnowman9637 so Israelis are smoking on Tooka? Based
@@meltedsnowman9637 It is still legally accurate. They are children.
If some country label anyone under 80 as a child then they can just say that the bombed killed thousands of childrens. Sure, it is still legally accurate that they are children, but they are, in fact, not a children. @@nimishachowdhury4577
DGG were shitting on him relentlessly before this talk. Suddenly “I’ve always respected him”
Ong in the livestream they were so rude for absolutely no reason
He's black. @@critanddam9031
They would love Hasan if Destiny said the magic words
Ddg are just a bunch of drones
I always wonder with people who say that, if you actually think of DGG or the chat, as a single person that is typing 1000 messages per minute. You are aware that there are plenty of different people with different opinions in the community, right? Can you actually show someone who declared to hate this guy and later came around saying they always respected him while acting they never said anything else?
Calling a 14, 15 year old, who slings a rock at IDF forces, a "soldier", in order to argue that they're not a child and therefore they justify a military strike that kills hundreds of civilians in the area, is truly one of the most bizarre claims I've seen anyone try to make in order to carry water for the actions of Israel...so far.
They brainwash the kids to be soldiers from the age of 6 as part of their schooling, which is why there were so many young Palestinians in prison for various violent and terrorist offenses
Even their math lessons include references to murdering Jewish ppl and terrorism.
Stick around, honestly it’s been a wild exercise in seeing the lengths ppl will go to justify the unjustifiable.
They don't need to be brainwashed to know that nazis stealing their land, abusing their rights on a daily basis and killing them is wrong. It's their reality, perhap if the zio nazi's stopped their crimes then maybe they would stop attacking? Ever think of that@@melm295
I don't understand. So you disagree with how Israel responded but are okay with how Hamas acts? Why side with the group that has actively called for genocide for the last 80 years? The IDF sends warning flyers days before a strike. You do know that Hamas intentionally uses human shields? If you're so concerned about children dying, then you wouldn't be supporting a terrorist group that kills Israeli civilians and uses its own civilians as shields.
honestly .. i was was actually gobsmacked
Professor Hill is NOT intellectually lazy. He’s well informed, well traveled, and his experience in this topic in which he’s been discussing for years, shows.
Lmao
“You concede that it’s illegal to acquire land by force, right?”
Destiny: “Well…”
Of course it is illegal when you are the invader.
It's not if the land you acquired was acquired in a counter offensive.
@@dannyarcher6370 that’s not how Israel acquire land. What are you trying to say??
@@qmoney9997It's like you don't know anything about the history of Israel.
@@dannyarcher6370 aha, so the occupation of the aggressor is wrong.
The USA should have never stepped a foot on Japanese land or German land, got it.
Apparently a lot of destiny fans just found out who Marc Lamont Hill is
lol right. destiny didn't even know who he was 😆
He’s an academic with a bias that’s dug in to his position and argues in bad faith.
@@michaelscott70 both sides collectively disagree that he was bad faith lol
Marc is hella Bias. It's the Islamic bias that holds him.
@@TheOneThatKnocks333 if that's the lens that you view all of his arguments throughout this debate - then it sounds like your bias, not his...
I didn’t realize how much of an Israel apologist Destiny was.
He's not an Israel apologist. He is simply speaking the facts about the conflict, and history of "palestine".
Destiny: states facts
No one
Hasan fans: Israel apologist
Destiny fantasizes and fetishizes the death of innocent Palestinians
@@LuiBei1994facts? He uses mental gymnastics to justify Israel’s murder on innocent Palestinians just like all the other Israel apologists. Use your fucking brain.
@@LuiBei1994what facts 😭
wait... did Destiny just say its justified to kill a child because he or she threw a rock? LMAOOOOOO
Israel dropped 6000 tons of bombs in the first week on the Gaza Strip . America dropped 5000 in 1 year of the war in Afghanistan in 2002 .. don’t tell me they give 3 weeks to evacuate
Hamas fired more rockets in the 1st 24 hours then Israel did in a week I believe so your point is a contradiction. Also, it's still a warning just cause bombs are dropped doesn't mean they're on the evacuation sites.
Also, they bombed the "evacuation spaces" afterwards anyway.
Destiny is a genocide denialist.
Israel did NOT drop 600 tons of bombs in the first week, you liar. If you have a point make it withoutinventing nonsense to back up your opinion.
When you put into perspective how big Afghanistan is and how small Gaza is this number gets even crazier
its because all the targets are in urban spaces where in afghanastan they were in the mountains mostly. and because of that fact america's ROE was stricter for airstrikes. like there was a group of marines pinned down by a pkm gunner and the wall they were hiding behind was slowly chipping away and the gunship above wouldnt fire because orders were to not engage if there was a civilian there and there was a single woman also in the building. crazy@@sadeksama5057
Chat is insufferable, holy shit.
There’s a reason people prefer RUclips/DGG chat to Kick
@@ChaseFace that is DGG chat, no? I see 4THOT in there, idk why he'd be chatting through Kick
@@grrggrrg4805i think you’re right
100% dgg chat lol
It's like this for all streamers... I find that majority of chatters are just terminally online parasocial losers. I just ignore them most of the time and focus on the convo.
Something that heard so many times from Marc throughout this call that I find to be the MOST respectable thing is the pause before answering a question to say 'I have some other things I want to say, but I'm going to start by directly answering the question' is a legitimate online unicorn. I have not seen a single other human being capable of that level of mindfulness and I would love to see more of this man.
That is rarity among everyone. Its a sign of intelligence when someone waits to think what they want to say.
It's so good. Marc is so clear. People like baddie constantly making snipes, it means I don't even have a chance to hear what baddie had to say. I'm just know he disagrees.
With Marc you can follow what he thinks. It's so important
Respect to Marc for his poise and patience. This guy's perspective and sentiment comes with so much power and privilege, in which reinforces the dehumanization rhetoric. He lost me on his definition of a Palestinian child, which I found pretty atrocious. I would like to see the evidence or data about Palestinian combatant children!! He produced nothing, because he is perpetuating lies. A child with slinging rocks getting killed by a sniper IS A WAR CRIME. This is a scary world when we debate "innocent civilians" targeted and murdered and explain them away as combatants. That is a lazy argument, and factually unsubstantiated.
@@rse3309 It isn't children slinging rocks, it is indoctrinated teenagers that have been trained and equiped to conduct regular Hamas military operations. Child soldiers are nothing new, especially to Islamists.
Most people don't do this because they're not actually there to have conversations. And most people would do this more often but the other person is just going to cut them off forcing them to make points faster.
I had the privilege of meeting Marc when he visited Northwestern. Great dude, great mind.
during a parole hearing?
He believes amnesty international for something 10 years ago, but doesn’t believe amnesty international now
why believe pro nazis anytime?
I’m only half a hour in and this guy hasn’t questioned anyone’s humanity or called anyone genocidal so he’s already a top 5 best guests on the topic
😂😂
Israel are committing genocide
I'm almost 2 hours in and I don't think he's even called it an apartheid state yet!
except whats happening is literally a genocide. Denying that is worse than denying even the holocaust as its happening eight now and the evidence is live
@@ogbmteven though he agrees with that?
Marc: What's reasonable notice for evacuating a hospital with patients linked up to life support machines and pre-mature babies in incubators before it gets bombed?
Destiny:
😭😭😭😭
LOL destiny is such a bafoon
racist
What bombing?
Yeahstiny has admitted he has no place debating this topic, as he apparently had no knowledge that multiple hospitals have been bombed! And 2023 was not the first year this has happened.
Hill is very well known. Has been on all the major networks for years. Never heard of Destiny until this video
Supposed to be a bad thing? You value someone's arguments just from how known the person is?
was Hill on America's Most Wanted?
The Israeli Ministry of Defense is located right in the middle of Tel Aviv. Would that make Tel Aviv a legitimate military target?
yes
A kid throwing a rock does not make him a militant
Exactly who even thinks like that?
Right? Wtf is wrong with this guy… what an awful take
Tell that to the people who are dead from kids throwing rocks onto highways... and he was using a single example.
Your hungup on a single line from a 3 hour chat...
They dropped them onto cars passing by on highways lol. Completely disingenuous to compare the situation, but you already knew that.@@md85aus94
@@md85aus94 I made more than one comment and I made comments where I saw fit while watching the debate as a whole. But this comment overall dealt with the idea that destiny has a gap in understanding lethal force and when it's authorized. Usually there are steps taken before you just shoot a kid throwing a rock. Like a warning shot. And there's video proof of no warning shots and the Soldiers laughing at the execution of these kids. But hey I don't know what I am talking about with over a decade in the Army, more than half of that time in Special Operations, and more so deeply having to deal with International/Operational Law on a regular basis.
The second you cut off food, water, and electricity to about 2 million people, you can not claim to have the interests of civilians in mind. This is not normal or acceptable behavior. I mean, it is just common sense.
Israel was PROVIDING that water, and electrisity! You actually believe that when Israel declared war, they did not have the right to suspend the CHARITY they were providing, in order to harm their enemy?? Also, yes civilians were bound to suffer, war is hell...
It more about the fact that the 2 million people being in support of the violence against you! Despite what they claim most Palestinians support Hamas, attacks on and death of Jewish
@@robvett8584 Wow someone with common sense.
@@robvett8584 The percentage was less than 50% before the war though. And more than 50% of Gazans still don't like Hamas as an organisation, even now. The only reason the numbers are so high right now is because they are in an active warzone and Hamas looks like the only org that is fighting against the perceived enemy
@@robvett8584 they support being free. The fact that you equate them being free to the death of jews says more about you.
Marc cooked this guy but in all fairness Destiny made it easy every time he opened his mouth.
what he said about the "children in this region", was the most disgusting and racist thing I have heard. I am so glad MLH talked about the adultification of darker skinned people.
??? I don't even know who or what you're responding to
Search up the Arab slave trade
Wake up, its common practice in the middle east and africa for there to be child soldiers, MLH himself admitted to that, open your eyes and ears or get out.
@@shinershows153 knowing that there are child soldiers and saying that they aren't children anymore is a very different thing. The fact that they are called CHILD soldiers should tell you something. This youtuber said that they aren't treated like children in their societies, so, he and the government of israel also don't view them as children anymore. That is not how childhood is defined. Children are not defined by the circumstances and responsibilities adults put on them.
You clearly have the brain of a child, what he was saying, if you can comprehend is that "deaths of women and children" in the media implies innocents, if a teenager is engaged in combat, he is not an innocent child
@@zia8248
So based on destiny’s logic every single person in Israel is fair game because they were all enlisted in the IDF. Regardless of whether they are active or not….sigh…
Most people in Israel carrying fire arms have most likely served time in the military. It’s part of a law there. Considering most people have to register with the IDF that are of age and live there, I see where he is coming from. Israel on the other hand is killing everyone including newborns to 6 year olds. Israel’s logic is HAMAS is in the area?
Why do you say that? What are you referring to?
Tons of old granny's putting in their war dentures right now haha.
Thank god. Israel's government is the worst in the world by man - I have JEWISH relatives IN Israel that hate their current government. Destiny doesn't know what he's talking about - just a puppet of Ben Shapiro and war creating piece sof sh*t
@@1984isnotamanualHe defended the war crimes israel did against hamas in a treating room with a coma, he also defended killing kids who throw rocks, those both made destiny look kind of bad, bc you can sort of say the same about Israeli non orthodox Arab adults which are all enlisted and could be classified as “passive” in accordance to the logic proposed by destiny.
I think the difference is if those hamas fighters said “today I’m not a soldier and I’m leaving the military” just like most israelis do they do their mandatory conscription and move on they technically would not be soldiers in my opinion where that hamas guy would bc even though he had a coma he was intentionally still a soldier and planned to re enter combat as soon as he recovered
This comment section surprised me. In a good way.
I’m not big into destiny, but I’ve noticed his community is way more critical of him than other political streamer types.
Only because their overlord said the guest was good. If he hadn't the comments wouldn't have surprised you in a good way
@@Milimeteypetey 😂
@@MilimeteypeteyI wouldn't give his community this much credit. They only turn on him when it is completely obvious he lost but will gladly support the same genocide if he makes slightly subtler arguments for it.
@@manchesterunited9576 Oh it’s not a lot of credit, but it’s more than other debate bros
Destiny is way too used to debating non-serious people, Like Ben Shapiro. Lamont Hill is really putting on display how non-serious Destiny is and frankly how much better qualified for analysis of difficult issues people trained in the discipline of actual journalism are compared to a bright ex-carpet cleaner turned RUclips debate bro. The difference in the quality of their Knowledge base, arguments, and analysis is stark.
I couldn’t disagree with you more. Marc is without any real understanding of international law.
@@lowroad4257 Dr. Marc Lamont Hill, BS, MA, PHD. Morehouse, University of Pennsylvania, Temple University, George Washington Carver High School of Engineering and Science. Professor of urban education and American studies at Temple University. Columbia University, professor of education. Morehouse College Professor of African American Studies Temple University as the Steve Charles Professor of Media, CUNY Graduate Center professor of urban education. worked as a political contributor for Fox News O'Reilly Factor, Huckabee, and Hannity CNN and MSNBC, as well as Court TV,
Steven Kenneth Bonnell II AKA Destiny. Creighton Preparatory School, a private Jesuit high school for boys. the University of Nebraska, Omaha, where he studied music dropped out of college in 2010. Holds no degrees. worked night shifts as a restaurant manager at a casino. fired from his restaurant position, and found work as a carpet cleaner. joined professional team Quantic Gaming and placed 4th in the 2011 MLG Global North American Invitational.
So Destiny has never studied anything more intellectually challenging than music theory and held no job more difficult than the night manager at a casino restaurant. His only success has been streaming and debating intellectual midgets like Sneako, & Fresh and Fit. He definitely has never studied the ins and outs of international law. I however have and I didn't detect that subject as one of Hill's weaknesses. in fact his only weakness is fashion from the looks of that ugly shirt. Your point was what again?
@@lowroad4257 Dr. Marc Lamont Hill, BS, MA, PHD. Morehouse, University of Pennsylvania, Temple University, George Washington Carver High School of Engineering and Science. Professor of urban education and American studies at Temple University. Columbia University, professor of education. Morehouse College Professor of African American Studies Temple University as the Steve Charles Professor of Media, CUNY Graduate Center professor of urban education. worked as a political contributor for Fox News O'Reilly Factor, Huckabee, and Hannity CNN and MSNBC, as well as Court TV,
Steven Kenneth Bonnell II AKA Destiny. Creighton Preparatory School, a private Jesuit high school for boys. the University of Nebraska, Omaha, where he studied music dropped out of college in 2010. Holds no degrees. worked night shifts as a restaurant manager at a casino. fired from his restaurant position, and found work as a carpet cleaner. joined professional team Quantic Gaming and placed 4th in the 2011 MLG Global North American Invitational.
So Destiny has never studied anything more intellectually challenging than music theory and held no job more difficult than the night manager at a casino restaurant. His only success has been streaming and debating intellectual midgets like Sneako, & Fresh and Fit. He definitely has never studied the ins and outs of international law. I however have and I didn't detect that subject as one of Hill's weaknesses. in fact his only weakness is fashion from the looks of that ugly shirt.
jesus christ this destiny guy playing devils advocate for israel arguing semantics around what a child is?? utterly shocking and terrifying
I mean I know he’s a cuck but I didn’t realize it was this bad. I got a gut feeling that aipac money is filling his pockets
yeah I used to like destiny 😢 idk why he's trying so hard to defend israel
It's not his opinion, it's international law. The point is Israel is being held to an impossible standard that no other fighting force is held to. Did Hamas warn the civilians (or spare them) before Oct.7th??
@@GulDukat479 Is Hamas a respected country that needs to follow international law?
You don't get to point to someone using underhanded tactics to justify your own, thats asinine.
@@taj561 Hamas is an organisation elected by the Palestinian people. You think they get a free pass because they're not strictly 'government'? If ISRL decided to create a terrorist group that specifically targeted families, civilians, r*pd women, kidnapped babies, is that ok because they're not officially part of the government of the country? You logic is so twisted.
Child throwing a rock all of sudden isnt a child and is now a combatant 😂😂 Kid vs well equipped soldier...
Kid with a stone vs a Tank.
David & Goliath, bro...David & Goliath
Yeah, Destiny's argument was ridiculous.
This the one real example he give of "child soldier" in actual combat but then keep bring up bullshit imagery of a theoretical 15 year old militant soldiers with ak 47
@HassanKhan-lu8pw he has this weird gripe about Isreal killing literal children, ranging from toddlers to 17 year olds. Idk why he has an issue with the imagery of the word "child" being very young kids when they're also being killed. He doesn't know what percentage of children murdered are actually hamas members with "years" of training shooting ak's. So I have no idea why he'd bring it up.
@@riplettuce8076
He is in debate mode and making an ass of himself
im sorry but calling a child slinging a rock at the fully equipped soldier a "combatant" is CRAZY.
Insane
Hamas disguise themselves as children all the time
You realize people hunt Buffalo with rocks and slings?
@@ilyaalekseyev3589yes I’m sure the child throwing rocks was doing so with the ability and intent to kill…. Jesus Christ brother listen to yourself…. I swear this conflict turns people into cold blooded sociopaths.
@TylerIsCoolBro Again, the slingshot you buy at Walmart is not the one they are discussing. What is practiced in the middle east is a sling, whereby a long road with a pouch can accelerate the rock enough to kill even some large game.
Thing of the story of David and Goliath. He carried a sling to kill lions.
Pro-Palestine Journalist has a RECOGNIZED name, and you should put that in your title as it's beneath him to act as if he is just some errant journalist, this guy is an auithority on the issue and has been recognized for a long time Marc Lamont Hill.
Agreed. Destiny not even naming Marc Lamont Hill is just another disingenuous attempt to discredit him. Glad Marc brought decades worth of facts, research, and objective analysis on this genocide.
You must be a Marc Lamont Hill stan.
Destiny always captions his videos this way.
I wonder why he doesn’t care about the genocide in Dafur where Arabs are massacre the Masalit people
@@abeltesfaye_it’s in the description dawg like relax
pro nazi clown is not juornalist
Calling a 14 year old with a sling & a rock a “soldier” is so absurd. I honestly can’t believe Destiny attempted to make that point.
because sling and rock can be used as WEAPON and if child starts wearing soldier uniform and all stuff that regular soldiers could wear with weapons etc then that child can be classified as child soldier
@@LazzieMazzie Israel forces these kids into desperate situations & then when they pick up a rock & sling Israel and it’s supporters scream “combatant”. What a joke.
@@LazzieMazzie yeah a kid with a sling & a rock is a soldier, sure.
Kids walk around with slings & rocks in the US. But they’re just asshole kids. What makes the Palestinian kids “soldiers”? The fact that they’re middle eastern? Or the fact that Israel is squeezing the life out of them & they are being forced to fight back, even with “weapons” as pathetic as rocks & slings. Get real.
@@IEdjumacate A 14 year old with a rock and a sling can cause damage or worse. A slinger was a role on ancient battlefields, it is famous for allowing smaller people to take down larger objects. They were used to defend livestock from predators as well. Not sure why so many people pretend that a sling is harmless.
How do you know he was not a combatant? Child soldiers are used all over the world, much younger than 14.
@@nateswan9527No he can't, I mean he literally cannot harm the average IDF soldier or his allies at all armed in body armor, helmets and eye-pro. This isn't an argument that can even reasonably be made so I don't know why you made it, he obviously isn't a trained stone slinger, he hasn't even be alive long enough as a 14 year old to have the years, practice or biological strength to harm anything besides maybe a dog, even then that's assuming he was actually a stone-slinger like David which again he obviously wasn't if you just apply Occam's Razor.
Its not that a sling is harmless or that a trained one isn't you're clearly removing that statement or line of thinking from its actual context, it just isn't a threat to IDF soldiers or snipers.
If I have a gun, any gun and nothing else against a tank? Is the gun in that context a threat to the tank at all? Like even remotely?
No, but I wouldn't say that in other contexts a gun isn't harmful its just not harmful in that specific circumstance.
I mean you can't explicitly know if he was a combatant I guess but that doesn't morally justify killing him, even if it is _technically_ legal in some instances (obviously depends on a lot of circumstances) they could just as easily apprehend him or place him under resist or just take away his sling, they don't _have_ to kill him.
Just because children in different circumstances that _could_ pose a threat in a military setting doesn't this one in particular was.
I don't think you realize just how much you have to concede morally and ethically if this 'child soldier' that is tossing stones is technically a combat that could and should be killed.
If Destiny wasn’t a streamer, he’d be an IDF soldier in gaza right now
Nah, he's getting paid -- no way would he risk his life as a soldier. But then again, he might sign up to be a mercenary. 😒
And problably a pedo
I'm pretty sure be wouldn't be fighting for his people...he's definitely weak
no cap lol
Yeah. His usually not this dumb on issues. You may disagree with his takes sometimes but on this he’s just proven wrong over and over. Looks more like payed propaganda, and I would not be surprised if it’s keeled later that he’s taking money from AIPAC.
Oh My god... A child with a rock is a "soldier" and can be shot??? That is some serious fascist talk
Would you like me to link you to dozens of children who are in jail for killing people with rocks
?
Why are you even here if your so deranged.
Leftists are fascists.
yet not surprising
He did not say that. You are either knowingly trying to twist what he said.. or you are truly that low IQ to understand what Destiny explained there
No shit destiny supports the fascist government killing the native population
Here to watch Marc Lamont Hill. Glad I got off the Destiny train. Lost faith in his guy. Many of his positions here seriously expose not just his lack of knowledge in this area but selective moralizing. This conflict has stripped the facade off of people like Destiny who try to use the internet to cram their way into a position that they already have and then debate deep, DEEP experts on the topic rather than being open and curious and taking that information in to learn. It’s all performative. And his positions are increasingly icky.
In one minute he doesn’t know that any hospitals have been bombed and 15 minutes later he’s standing toe to toe with MLH trying to insist on the reasons why the hospital that he just found out 15 minutes ago was bombed should have been bombed.
Yeah I used to like Destiny but he just enters debates to win while googling his answers. He’s just a grifter.
His claims have aged like warm milk. How many hospitals are left in all of Gaza? What a POS
Deep, deep
You’re spot-on , he’s the Queen of propaganda .
man youre really butthurt arent ya? 😆
A 16yr old is now labeled as a man because he threw a rock…
It's literally racism, too - Black boys & Black girls have faced "adultification" (aka being treated as if they're adults when they're still minors so that racists can "justify" sexualizing, abusing, etc, them more easily) & now Destiny is partaking in the adultification of Palestinian children so he can "justify" MURDERING Palestinian children. Fundamentally reprehensible.
I think he actually said the child was less than 10 and with a slingshot, like David Vs Goliath...
I laughed when he said children throwing rocks are militants.
@@leemajor5003tbf his point was that “women and children” invokes non combatants and defenseless people, while a non negligible amount of that number is composed of militarily active teenagers. This never sounded like he was saying that a child that throws a rock is now no longer a child, as his actual point was that a minor that takes substantive military action against Israel would still be a child, but not invoke the implication that they’re non combatants and defenseless like some reportings seem to want to do
I mean DGG, Destiny (girls name haha), is a famed debatepedo.
As a cop listening to this debate, it seems to be the same little debates we had in the academy and now on patrol. It's basically a debate of the spirit of the law and letter of the law. We as cops should always be thinking spirit of the law over letter of the law. Destiny seems to be blinded by this and can't wrap his head around the manipulation around being able to use the letter of the law in ur benefit. I've seen fellow cops use it. On paper, they are doing nothing wrongful but you know they didn't have to act or do what they did.
ACAB.
If you’re not enforcing the letter of the law you’re not enforcing the law. It’s not up to your interpretation
@SedeVacante7 actually it is up to our interpretation of the law due to the fact that the law is written in a way that is determined by the interpretation of the situation at hand. That's why lawyers fight in court their argument of their interpretation of the law to convict people. You are literally taught it's spirit over the letter for a reason. I don't have to charge people for specific stuff if I don't want to and and I don't have to cite them just because I pulled them over. I prolly cite 1 car for every 11 I pull over a day because I am not obligated to cite them just because they broke an infraction or misdemeanor. You actually have to listen to people and figure out if the law broken is actually worth the time and effectiveness this will have on everyone
@@mylesg802 I would describe that as assessing the situation, not interpreting the law
@SedeVacante7 really? You obviously never been on a call for service and actually have to discuss with other offers about the situation and how they interpret the law to decide whether someone actually broke it. It's not as easy as it seems. Most officers have the hardest time especially in the beginning to understand the elements of a crime and how to even charge someone.
"Has Israel bombed any hospitals?" ... you can't be serious.
You call it hospitals, HAMAS calls and uses it as underground command centers (in the tunnels they dug beneath the hospitals infrastructure, specifically to hid behind civilians) in disguise. It's hard to believe the non morally use of population being made in there.
They haven’t. Although Islamic Jihad has.
Israel hasn't, isis bombed Gazan hospitals themselves.
They haven't. Whats your point?
@@Saltson the point is spreading terrorist propaganda, and they love to do it. Unfortunately.
It amazes me how bonafide scholars who’ve published scholarship on Israel/Palestine waste their time with RUclipsrs who “skim” material, don’t know basic facts about the history, boldly, confidently, and emphatically make erroneous claims then switching the subject when proven wrong, repeating US/Israeli talking points, and back up their assertions with “I’m pretty sure”. Talking a million miles an hour doesn’t mean you’re knowledgeable and it certainly doesn’t make you sound smart.
They are desperate to spread the truth in any means necessary. The mainstream media has shut down discussion on the topic, so they have to concede to a RUclipsr
I understand where you’re coming from and actually 98% agree with you. Unfortunately these guys have huge platforms and so they have to be engaged with. The influence is too great to not address them unfortunately.
they are trying to get a bigger platform
what the fuck are you even talking about? Why do you think he "skims material"? What basic facts about history does he not know? Which claims are erroneous? When did he switch subjects when proven wrong? Why is "repeating us/israeli talking points" bad, but repeating Palestinian/hamas talking points not? You realize there are a set of talking points, and commonly held beliefs that belong to either side and "repeating" them is 90% of the discourse for either side, right? And Why do you think its bad to qualify statements that you don't have a high conviction in with "I'm pretty sure", do you only trust people who speak with absolute conviction, even if they are wrong... the fact they speak with conviction means they are right?
and "Talking a million miles an hour doesn’t mean you’re knowledgeable and it certainly doesn’t make you sound smart"; this is an Adhom. Tiny doesn't think it makes him sound smart, or makes him right, its simply how he speaks. It's just his cadence. If you don't like how he speaks or find it annoying, you can just say that. You don't need to ascribe some speculative bullshit that destiny obviously doesn't believe.
But please, can you constitute a single claim with some substantive criticism instead of just doing this unsubstantiated gish gallop bullshit?
LOL. Okay. I am going to guess you like Marc’s message more due to his support of Hamas.
Marc Lamont Hill is amazing. He wrote a great book on the USA and liberal and conservative politics in relation to this topic: ‘Except for Palestine - the limits of progressive politics’
I'm reading it now and it's fantastic!
I'm ordering it now! Thanks for letting us know
total nonsense
“A child throwing a rock is a soldier, not a child” -Destiny
That is an insane take wtf
Destiny is the only one who is seeing children throwing rocks at airplanes dropping bombs.
That’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Well it is a violent act so the child has lost their innocence. Nice of the child's parents to keep them out of harm's way.
HOLY SHIT I wasn't gonna watch this but now I have to lol
“That’s how wars go….” Spoken from true privilege. To be so blunt and non chalant is disturbing. I pray we never have to experience the horrors of war
That is objectively how war goes, has always gone, and will always go. It is absolutely inevitable that SOME civilians will die in the VAST MAJORITY of wars.
Now stop being lazy, go do some research, and figure out how to construct a logical argument rather than appealing to emotion you manipulative little guy.
not even remotely about to privilege. Social media captured only the deaths of Palestinian people to garner empathy from the public while not showing oct. 7th attacks and terrorist attacks that happen almost weekly in israel since the dawn of the country. Pro-Palestinian people are thinking too emotionally, thus holding israel to an unachievable standard. when israel fails to meet that ridiculous standard we say "that's how wars go...". Imagine having the fear everyday when going out to the street from getting stabbed/shot. It was 100 times worse in the first and second intifada. Buses in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem were blown up all the time. Hundreds died. As a citizen it's really shitty to live in that situation. And peace is just not an option.
he ignores international laws of wars
@@mohammedhanif6780 So does every government and army when they are at war.
It is how wars go. Don’t pick the fight if you don’t want consequences.
His argument of a child slinging a rock being a combatant not a child reminded me of my clients who talk about girls having periods now being women.
Combating soldiers does not make you an active combatant?
@@lordberossus2545 it certainly doesn't change your age..
@@greywitchwanderer9608 it makes age irrelevant. Which is a more relevant factor for a kid getting shot, the fact that he was a kid and thats why he was shot? Or that he was a combatant and that's why he's shot? Just toss either in your head for a sec and feel which one makes more sense.
@@lordberossus2545 both matter. If a 8 year old tosses a pebble at me, it doesn't make him a combatant.. it's just a slippery slope. Even if he is a combatant, he is a child. You can be both things. The issue is the same with my first metaphor though. If you want to get someone pregnant, does age matter, or their menstruation capabilities? A girl can be both capable of becoming pregnant and being a child. The circumstances that make children combatants, and brides is in the hands of the adults ultimately. Consent isn't there. The issue I have is that you can now make the excuse to validate the action. Every person in Israel has to sign up for military action, does that mean every individual is a threat? No? Anytime someone tries to make issues like this cut and dry, it is usually to excuse awful behavior. The fact is, the majority of dead Palestinian children are not combatants, many of them are infants and toddlers. Vaguely thinking up some scenario that makes it valid to kill children because some are combatants demands statistical evidence backing it or else it's just an excuse to cover bad behavior. It's like if every child bride was accused of lying about their age, and that was why raping them was excusable. Show me the bride! If she is a 17 year old who is very easily mistaken as an adult, fine. But you're pulling out obvious 8,9,10 year olds and making that excuse on the back of the few lying 17 year olds. A lying 17 year old is not an excuse for an 8 year old to be assaulted. A 17 year old with an AK does not make a 9 year old with a pebble a combatant as well. There are levels to this.
@@greywitchwanderer9608 you seem to not understand how serious it is to get a rock thrown at your head when you don't expect it. In your head I'd have to first argue that someone should be allowed impregnant a child before you'd accept that there are consequences to assaulting someone. More specifically that there are things that happen when soldiers are pelted with rocks, because there are no consequences when you throw it at them. You would prefer a world where that is more common, based on your argument.
39:10 Israeli citizens are enlisted into the military. Destinys logic would make any israeli 18 and over fair gam
Never works in reverse
I was thinking the same thing.
They are only in the military for 3 years unless they choose to stay. Shows how ignorant and racist you are.
He literally says active combatants. Get the wax out of your ears, buddy.
He did not say that all teenagers are Hamas fighters. It was only about those who actually are, like the teenager with the slingshot.
Just because you’re 15 DOES NOT mean you’re a child. R. Kelly jumping from joy in his cell 😭😭
When he's pointing ak at you he isn't. Sick of these disengous bs points.
That’s not what he said.
@@md85aus94 lol go back to school and spend less time online.
@@md85aus94 R kelly just has to give them young ones some weapons so he can do his thing then huh
@@chrisperez3614 If I spell his point out correctly will you address it, or is it just easier to go "lol can't spell"?
I think there's an obvious knowledge gap when one person is furiously googling the entire debate because he just learned about these things 4 months ago lmao
One person has books in their background, the other has a firearm. That speaks volumes in their stance on this issue.
Holy shit, GREAT point!!! FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Water vs Red Bull
The most evil people are educated people. The boys in blue do more for our society that weak bureau crates and desk jockeys. Just because he has a gun does not mean he is evil.
Destiny doesn’t understand kids in Gaza don’t have the luxury to grow up and have a normal childhood.
Of course he does, doesn't affect his argumentation, though
And who's fault is that?
@@deinvadder88it’s the fault of the settler colonial project that has besieged them…
@@deinvadder88Can't say hamas when they were struggling even before hamas was estabished. So who's fault is it really?
@@alocalstalker3231 Islam.
Man i lost so much respect for Destiny. He is gonna die on his stupid talking points.
1000%. Deep down I think he's fine with children dying - "not sure to avoid that" is what this bisexual weirdo says - as long he sounds smart.
Agreed
Destiny said slinging rocks means you deserve to get shot. Crazy
He quickly aligned himself with Israel without any information, so now instead of admitting to being wrong, he’s having to die on this hill.
💯
From the logic of Destiny, every Israeli over 18 and up to 99, who is neither Orthodox Jew nor Israeli Arab, since both groups do not do mandatory military service, and since they later enter the reserve, everyone is a legitimate target
no way destiny honestly believes hamas can be defeated. if a resistance movement falls, one will always rise in its place. destiny isn't an idiot. why pretend to be?
Israel has won every war they've been a part of...
Destiny: Has Israel bombed any hospitals?
Marc: Yes, Al Shifa
Destiny: Oh.......🤦♂
Destiny: let me make a note of that. Smh
It just goes to show how uneducated & willfully ignorant that Destiny chooses to remain regarding this 75+ year-long GENOCIDE being forced on millions of innocent Palestinians.
@@abeltesfaye_I think he just engages in "I'm the opposite of the current thing the left is supporting."
And that’s why you’re the one debating and he’s the one commenting…?
@@abeltesfaye_ Forgetting one event = uneducated and willfully ignorant LOL
This debate felt like listening to a professor trying to educate a college arts major dropout and while the college dropout think he knows better. Marc is an Angel.
Is that what it sounded like or is that what it is?
That is EXACTLY what it is.
Marc didn't make a single good point in 1 hour I quit after that to see the deranged comments.
@@md85aus94 Ok bye.
Exactly, Marc is well versed on this topic. From the look of it, a lot of people that are commenting on this thread seem to not know much of the issue that's going on.
“I don’t think that’s a valid use of the word children for this particular region” 36:09 That sounds so ridiculous and racist.
I couldn't believe he said the quiet part out loud...sad.
"just because there 15 doesn't mean they are a child" lol
He lost he’s just throwing anything his little brainlet can generate.
racist?
you are an antisemite, you know that he means that children are innocent, and a lot of these "children" are Hamas
This is what happens when Destiny pretends to be a professional anything, in the face of an actual professional.
Certainly one of the kinder guests he's brought on. Seems to be a decent person
Palestine has the right to defend itself from settler colonialism
no@@Russian_Waifu
He really knows what he’s taking about, and isn’t just trying to win.
@@Russian_Waifu and Israel has trhe right to defend from Hamas, so I guess the conflict perpetually continues on?
@@Russian_Waifu
Broke: Palestine has a right to defend itself
Woke: Israel has a right to defend itself
Bespoke: They both have a right to defend themselves
These longer conversations should be uploaded to Spotify if possible for audio only listeners.
@fatfrostbolt the no ads and the being able to listen with the screen off is worth the 9.99 a month alone imo
@@flygonkick93I have yt premium too and I dont get the hate about it because I think its fantastic.
@@flygonkick93Lmao i have newpipe and i can do both for free. Big L.
@@noterrormanagementnew pipe is kinda too different from youtubes actual frontend for me, i found it hard to get into, i prefer revanced its basically just stock youtube with extra features
@@WordUser ok
So easy to dismantle these israeli arguments, You just literally have to hold them to the same energy with the same question just replace Palestine with Israel and they will always lose guaranteed
Why do you hate all Jews? This started on October 7th.
Israel is NOT "all Jews"! It is not antisemitic to critisise it, just like it is not islamophobic to critisise Iran. @@ishmaelharris3948
@@ishmaelharris3948 lol, Hasbara bots getting lazy
you don't even have to do that, just try to reconcile their conflicting claims. ie the human shields thing. Its both illegal to attack civilians and to force them to evacuate with the threat of violence, doesnt matter who is using 'human shields'. They choose to attack civilians and then say it's hamas' fault
Or like when they say the killing since 10/7 is a war against hamas, but the west bank is being attacked. It makes no sense
@@ishmaelharris3948Associating the state of israel with all jewish people is antisemitic
Wow! Well done gents! This is the ONLY debate I have seen on this topic that felt to me like both parties were approaching the debate in good faith.
This is the first expert on the situation that Destiny talked to
A literal expert. This is Lamont's PHD. Glad destiny did NOT know this coming in. It kept the conversation organic and non-academic.
@@nyvarsitysports Actually this is not what his PhD is in, that's educational policy studies. He does know a lot about the conflict though.
@@tablesalt2628
“Dr. Hill holds a PhD (with distinction) from the University of Pennsylvania. His research agenda focuses on the intersections between culture, politics, and education in the United States and the Middle East.”
I think on the specifics you might be right. Checking it out right now.
He's the first expert who had the patience to put up with his BS and word games.
He spent the entire time going on an emotional rant.. how the hell does that make him an "expert"? nothing he said proved anything
I was scared to dive into the comments section but it seems that Marc's power of persuasion convinced even the drones.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But it's also true that Destiny must be very brave to invite Marc to debate him knowing he is such a knowledgeable and smart guy
Were you convinced by Destiny or does flexibility only move in one direction.
Not persuasion facts
@@stellaboulton9531 he was obliterated. Convinced by what?
Destiny is such a joke. So sad that he gets caught up in international law policy wonk nitpicking when at the end of the day even if the law allows their behavior it’s still immoral and disgusting. Slavery was legal at one point who cares. What destiny fails to realize that this isn’t a war per se but an occupation. When you are occupied, you have the right to fight back with force. Like it or not that’s how it works. And if you are the occupier you don’t have much of a legal or moral leg to stand on. You cannot play the victim.
This is BLATANT disinformation. Under international law, you do not have a right to indiscriminately murder and rape civilians in order to “fight back with force”.
What you said is a joke. Law doesn't justify morality. Occupation doesn't justify morality either. If the Palestinians had the same power that Israel has they would be just as murderous if not worse. I DO NOT CARE if someone if being occupied..... indiscriminate murder is wrong. Your precious occupied Pallies and the Zionists are one and the same. They are as bad as each other.
You believe that if someone is occupied they have the right to the kill children of their perceived enemies. You are a monster and hiding being 'occupation' is your way of playing victim. They either share that land or they continue murdering each other. YOU are a war monger who is fueling the hate, the conflict, the body count. Either you condemn both sides of the conflict or you are evil.
This comment section is almost as insufferable as DGG chat
Marc Lamont Hill is a phenomenal reporter. Surprised destiny hasn’t heard of him before.
Well that would require destiny to actually keep up with current event and do actual homework
thats because he gets his news from propaganda machines like Jerusalem post ...
also proves he is clueless about the subject. he thinks Rafah a city, isnt he a clueless person ? 60 square km city? smth like 5km width and 12km length? what city is this? not even a town, and it hold like 1.8 million damn people and he thinks israel has the right to go in...
It sounds like he doesn’t read by his responses during this entire conversation.
I remember him from debating Patrice O'Neal. Didn't really like him then, came off as the usual cancel culture vulture
After that Ben Shapiro talk Destiny definitely needed to talk to someone like Marc about this issue.
"With all due respect, you are such a fantastic moron it is terrifying." Norm Filkestein
Unhinged activist
mr borelli
I’m also realizing how incredibly arrogant and smug Destiny is. Saying Marc Lamont Hill has a “decent” understanding of international law is like saying LeBron James has a modest understanding of zone defense.
He's an activist, not an expert😂
dont choke on all that
Wow Marc wiped the floor with Destiny.....Destiny talks about Things being fact with extreme confidence but when challenged his "evidence" is so weak and even anecdotal. Very poor.
And he wants to debate Finkelstein after not knowing where Palestine is on a map until 5 months ago lmao
@@johnjohnson4440 Was this supposed to prove something...? Not knowing where a palce is on a map doesn't mean you can't have a good understanding of its history. Also as you admitted hes known now for months? I get you guys like saying random shit to act smart but next time at least choose smth a little more compelling
@@vallano8970 it actually proves something when you want to debate someone who's been studying a case for over 20 years like Finkelstein, experience and background matter my friend
@@not_today-y1fFinkelstein is overrated
Finkelstein is a hack. I say that as someone leaning pro Palestinian. No Dershowitz, but far from someone as good faith as Marc.
The children definition debate was wild. Didn't know Destiny had this mindset.
That felt like the weakest part of the debate on Destiny's part.
Destiny does 5d chess, mental gymnastics when it fits his narrative. If they were arguing opposite points he’d go insane.
I would disagree that a kid with a sling makes them a full combatant because of the proportionality of force but it seems to make sense when applying to 16-17 year olds who are armed militants of Hamas no? I mean if a 17 year old is firing an AK at your squad you can’t just say well he’s still young he doesn’t know any better. It’s rather shoot him or you and your squad is shot. So I think it is disingenuous to frame them as innocent children who were killed walking to school or something. Dylan Klebold certainly isn’t referred to as a child for being killed by opposing forces a/killing himself he’s referred to as the shooter and a terrorist because he was armed and intent on hurting people.
Agreed! not sure how a child throwing a rock all of a sudden makes him a "militant"@@joshseeley7
debate was wild due to this pro palestine guy. thinking that a 17 year old boy that shoot at israeli soldier with an automatic machinegun and beeing killed for it should be classified as a child on the death numbers are insanly wild, so im 100% on destinys side on this topic. if your old enough to activly take part in a war, you should allso not be classifed as a child.
I like how the teaser is Destiny shitting on Hasan and then proceeds to get owned by somebody who shares a lot of Hasan's opinions.
This wasn’t really a debate. This was an education for Destiny. I hope Marc charged him for the knowledge.
LOL
I've watched just enough Destiny to know I'm not a fan. Only watched this video to see my man Marc do his thing.
And he did.
He is an arrogant prick who shouldn't be allowed to engage in serious discourse on serious topics with an esteemed scholar such as Mr. Hill. a RUclipsr without any academic pedigree only speaks opinions, that is who the destiny clown is.
You sound very objective…😂
@@Gabeereps objectively, Destiny got COOKED on his own channel.
He's a shill.
@@bigtymerebfan If u think either got “cooked” after watching tht rather milquetoast discussion then ur brain is “COOKED”. …Objectively.
marc l/h blagged - Destiny knows what he is talking about and called out the sophism of marc.
My man is really redefining what it means to be a child. Destiny has gone way over the edge.
No. He pointed out that using the word “child” is one of a moral high ground. They’re soldiers. Being used in a war. That’s what’s happening. Using “child” without “solider” is implying they’re “innocent children being murdered!”
Destiny also included “woman,” too by the way. But go ahead and leave that out, the same way you left out context, so you can continue your moral high ground, just like Destiny said…
@@kadebebesis4204they’re not soldiers
@@washmycup Me when I miss everything:
@@kemari47 they aren’t soldiers
@@washmycup Yes, and I'm LeBron James. 😂
My take is: Destiny's chat is run by Israel's ministry of propaganda lol
Why? I have the same opinion as he does for most things. That's a pretty ignorant comment. Respect to him that he had the opposition on. Quite the opposite, we need to have these conversations at campuses without gen-z kids going crazy.
lamonts's by arab nazi blood libels
@@jumpman858 because israelis are probably the most nationalist people on earth, the funny thing is most of them now immigrate from the, ofcourse they would follow a streamer that supports them. also this one of the few countries on earth that spends millions of dollars to pay people just to defend them online
His subreddit DEF is! It's sooo gross there. Has to unsub when I saw gross posts
if im destiny. i would take down this vid. this guy made him look a fool
Destiny has Marc Lamont Hill on and he doesn't know Marc's stance? This is gonna be fun!
Of course he knew.
(I mean, yeah) @@loriannrichardson7644
@@loriannrichardson7644 because it was so evident is how he engaged in the debate? 😬
Destiny you can’t kill an unconscious soldier!! Are you serious right now! What rules of engagement are you reading!!!
he wasn't unconscious. He was being treated for burns trying to make explosives. there is video footage all over x of him moving around in the hopsital bed clearly not unconscious, plus the two terrorists visitors that were killed in the room.
@@gumby33sushi he wasn’t being a combatant! You can’t kill em bro! You can detain them.
@@gumby33sushiyeah that’s still violates the Geneva Conventions…
@@gumby33sushi Fam, what you just described is still a war crime. You don't get to attack people being treated for injuries in the hospitals, even if they were soldiers. Imagine if Hamas ran into an Israeli hospital and killed soldiers who were under medical care; you would be screaming about war crimes.
@@lamarholmes4573yea but then it’s the brown guys doing the killing >:(
Destiny: * hyperfixates on missing syntax in international law *
Also Destiny: Age is subjective you see...
Marc ate this dude up
Destiny got schooled. He's a clown who should stick to playing video games
When your debate strategy is to speak fast and act like you know what you are talking about, but then you meet someone who takes away your fast talking and ask you follow up questions to back up your argument. Destiny is in deep waters here
It's always the fast talkers....
By the logic heard;
Israelis all go through IDF training
Hamas is therefore allowed to attack any combatant they encounter right?
Since they are fighting occupiers in THEIR land?
Just a thought experiment
That is actually the logic used by Hamas. That due to that, essentially their (Israeli civilians) are in a way soldiers to some capacity.
Therefore, they consider them all fair game.
Considering hms went after children who had not yet enlisted (and therefore it's not a guarantee they would) no.
They attacked Arab Israelis also. Some people prefer to do national service. Some people have disabilities. There are many jobs that are classified as army, but not actually combatant roles.
@@mohamedelkayal8871 Its not Hamas logic. thats international law. All soildiers are legitimate military targets.
@@greatballsoffire02 Provide evidence Hamas went after children.
The most clickbait title. I go into a random moment and Destiny is absolutely puzzled why a child throwing a rock at a tank would not be considered a soldier. Destiny is such a bootlicking shitheel good god.
I don't typically check out destiny's stuff but with Marc on there was no way to skip it
MARC IS THE FUCKING MAN
One of those words suits him - if it's added to the word 'idiot'.
lol youre commenting and have done nothing - go read some books @@stellaboulton9531
For those of you just discovering Mark Lamont Hill, you should check out his work. he's been an important voice on the left for a long time. I love to see him and Destiny engaging here, and I hope to see more of it.
He has in deed. Was really let down by him on covid lockdowns and the obliteration of freedom. You can't be pro freedom and anti-freedpom at the same time. Freedom is for all always. Not only in some specific conditions. I am hoping he, like many of those on the left will fix this mistake and go back to study how badly that judged the greatest human rights grab in history. They got it solidly wrong. On Palestine he's bang on - but isn't that all part of the divide and rule plan where the pink haired screaming people chase the Palestine supporters away?
He literally got fired from CNN for being racist towards Jewish people. 😂
He wasn't that good. He talked a lot about francesca albanese who is infamous of being antisemitic
@@danielquartler1527 Agree to disagree. and I research and teach argumentation and advocacy for a career.
This video is my first time seeing Marc and I saw him try to argue against Destiny for 15 minutes with the idiotic idea that armed 17 year olds should count as "children" and cannot be military targets.
Marc sees very low IQ. Typical for modern academics in the social "sciences".
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, to both of you, such a pleasure to listen to such a talk without all the shouting and point scoring, it's made me think about things in a different way, and should help me see beyond the headlines and identify ways of finding real accurate information, and that's not easy to do these days, even when I didn't necessarily agree with one of you, it's always good to see why people think the way they do, and the information that helps them come to particular conclusions.
Can any of you supply some useful websites or news sources that get beyond the headlines, balance would be nice, but accuracy more important.
Again, thank you both for a mature and informative conversation, just off to listen to the last hour.
1:35:00 the world needs more through and transparent conversations like this... great video and im glad streaming made this possible; as well as RUclips, Destiny, and dr. Hill for clearing up my own confusion on the conflict. I wonder if these kinds of converstions are truly able to set an example for others to switch from a defensive posture to a position of understanding. I appreciate and admire the expression of basic-level human courtesy shown by both gentleman throughout the entire video, and as a viewer, makes listening and engaging in this topic that much more pressing and informative. thanks dudes
This guy is super impressive.
It’s got to be a huge head-f*ck for Destiny to argue with very intelligent people like this guy one day, and then brain dead conspiracy theorists like the pro-Trump guy from Tim Pools show a few days back
Noam Chomsky will take Destiny to school on this topic, its better to read Chomsky.
@@melissamcknighthealthcarea1519 💀💀
Hill is impressive in a negative way. He's acting here like Hamas takes precautions across the board to protect their citizens. He's ACTUALLY defending Hamas being in hospitals because there was an "expectation they would not be struck". As if that is credible, moral and fine to do. It's actually smart of Hamas, tactically, because they will cry "Victim!" and the press ( mostly on the Left ) will naively go with their fake cries. Hamas is for Hamas. They don't care about their citizens, hence, hiding in hospitals. If citizens die, they die. Come on, people. Either Hill is so incredibly propagandized to believe the "better nature" of Hamas while not extending the same moral standard to Israel OR his tribalism and status depends squarely on defending Hamas so cleverly against Israel. Hill is a master of feigning ignorance.
"Take Destiny to school" = Chomsky spewing "America Bad" for hours. Laughable. @@melissamcknighthealthcarea1519
More like intelligent people have to argue with brain dead people like Destiny. Destiny is a clown.
Marc Lamont Hill is a brilliant dude. I've been a big fan of his for a long time. He deserves more respect than he gets.
I’m right leaning and love Marc. He is brilliant and highly intelligent.
Yeah. Subbing to him over destiny now.
I remember him from way back during those times when Bill O'Reilly (back when he was still at Fox) would invite him on his show.
How is he brilliant?
@@Actio83 I sub to both
Do you not know about the thousands of men women and children held hostage by Israel? What about them?!
Destiny is one of the many reasons I hate liberalism.
We don't claim him 😂
Now this is a high-level guest right here folks. Marc Lamont is super famous and Tiny has been lining up big dogs one after another lately. Super happy for him. Keep going Dman!
He sounds like the typical pro Palestine supporter. nothing new nor high level was said, other then him trying to reflect Destinys talking points. lol
Destiny seemed more informed on intricate details rergarding the conflict. Not surprised.
@@parallelnative that's true but there were no ad hominem attacks, no outright lies, and no bad faith arguments. MLH genuinely seems to believe everything he says, and is doing it from a decent understanding of the situation. He's not out here completely spreading baseless claims and nothing that comes across as "well the person I like said so". Dude was able to take everything Destiny said in stride, continued the conversation and genuinely seemed interested.
I respect the hell out of this man. Compare this to the other "pro palestinian" people... and it's like a breath of fresh air.
@@parallelnative You’re trying way too hard to be dismissive when it’s not warranted. You didn’t listen then if “nothing new was argued here”.
I have to disagree. Marc has been wrong on every single position he's ever discussed on record. He's completely brainwashed and indoctrinated into the whole BLM ideology or systemic oppression mythology, and it causes him to consistently take the most repugnantly, malignantly stupid positions. You can find him talking about how much of a privilege it is to be White like it confers the greatest advantages over everyone else. He somehow manages to have that take while also claiming whites are evil racists out to keep the black man down without imploding from hypocrisy.
@@parallelnative - MLH is a literal expert on this issue. He has personally spoken to and interviewed most of the high level government and military officials on both the Israeli and Palestinian side, as well as high ranking officials in the region including heads of state.
Unlike Destiny, MLH has lived in the occupied territories, speeks Arabic, and is connected to the Palestinian and Jewish anti-zionist activist community on the ground in Palestine and here in the U.S.
Outside his media career, he is a practicing academic to this day. In his capacity as academic and activist he gave a formal speech at the U.N. regarding the theocratic Zionist apartheid State of Israel and their treatment of the Palestinians and was fired from his job when the Israel Lobby came after him.
Destiny has none of that back ground that would qualify him to speak with any authority on this subject matter. Destiny is your basic center right corporate democrat, who sits in his comfortable home studio, reads Wikipedia and a few articles and thinks he is an expert. His fans see him speaking "confidently," and mistake that for him having deep knowledge of a subject and having engaging in works from scholars and historians who have done the hard unglamorous work of dedicating their lives to become a expert in their field of study.
Debate bro culture often appeals to the stupid people among us, because they care about the vibes of the conversation and clever lines winning the day. They aren't educated enough to know what they "don't" know even when it is being demonstrated right in front of their faces.
If this does not confirm that Destiny is just a contrarian, then nothing can.
On this topic, for sure.
YES!
100%. He’s a debate lord contrarian, and it’s just unlikable and doesn’t appeal to anyone but the lowest denominator of discourse,
@@HIIIBEARif he’s like this on this topic he looses credibility on everything else. I have never heard such hypocrisy in my life
Lol. Yes. That's pretty much the reason I stopped watching him.
nearly 2 hours into this video I just noticed Destiny has a gun mounted in the background wtf lmfao
Do you know how many books Lamont has read on this conflict?
You're going SO FAR out of your way to justify murdering civilians.
But when Hamas deliberately does it it's fine?
The thing is with warnings, is the people of Gaza have no where to go. And we have had an incident recently Ruqaya Ahmad Odeh Jahalin was murdered with her family after they called the red cross to prove they were non combatants and the car was still. this isnt mentioning the bladed bomb they launched earlier in the campaign. But people over look these details.
Whose fault is that?
As someone who watches updates from people on the ground, the “warnings” seem to actually serve as psychological warfare. Like a stalker calling your house and hinting that they’re somewhere inside to terrorise you.
This in fact shows a pattern. Israel is bombing civil infrastructure like libraries, mosques, churches, political buildings, universities, courts, research laboratories, farms, cultivated lands, water tanks that have nothing to do with military targets. The only reasonable explanation is that they want to block any possible and potential rebirth of a Palestinian society and a new wave of politicians and intellectuals. Let's also mention the fact that Israel literally plans an ethnic cleansing by kicking the Gaza people out of the Strip and pushing them into the Sinai region (it is literally the goal of the war, you can easily check it on google). Israel also claims to fight against Hamas but at the same time they cut off food, water, electricity and humanitarian aid to the entire population in Gaza without any reasonable and objective justification (there is none in any case). More than 60% of Gaza is flattened and the overwhelming majority of victims are women and children. Israel has already killed 30'000 people (and by the way, all international organizations say the number is probably much higher than that) in less than a year and that the 20-year war in Afghanistan claimed the lives of 46'000. We also see repeated careless bombings of civilian houses and unlawful and disproportionate killings (so it's not just a coincidence or a small number of isolated errors), so much so that we can see a clear pattern of indifference at best and vengeance at worst. But both cases are sufficient to prove the intent to partially destroy an ethnic group, which fits the UN definition of genocide: Israel knows their actions are disproportionate and brutal beyond any reasonable explanation. In fact, their military policy purposefully disregards any civilian life and any civilian infrastructure (the Dahiya doctrine, google it and you'll see) and they further extended it in the Gaza war. Let's also mention the countless Israeli politicians that literally make genocidal claims (total annihilation, no food and no water, they are all animals to be destroyed, etc.: you can easily find all this online).
@@jeremyblock7032 Israel who decided to attack
@@jeremyblock7032 You can't use collective punishment as a defense mate.
Marc Lamont Hill is a genius.
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My favorite part is when Destiny asks, seemingly confused, “Who deems that unreasonable???” regarding civilians killed while fleeing.