DC20 comparison to Pathfinder 2e
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2024
- 🔍 Pathfinder 2e vs. DC20: A Comprehensive Comparison! 🔍
Let's take a deep dive into a detailed comparison between two popular tabletop RPG systems: Pathfinder 2e and the newly launched DC20. Whether you're a seasoned player or new to the world of role-playing games, this video will help you understand the key differences and unique features of each system.
🎲 Pathfinder 2e:
Renowned for its rich lore and complex mechanics
Detailed character customization options
Extensive bestiary and world-building tools
🎲 DC20:
Innovative and streamlined gameplay mechanics
Dynamic character creation with a focus on storytelling
Community-driven development and feedback
Let's chat about the pros and cons of each system, compare gameplay experiences, and help you decide which RPG might be the best fit for your gaming group. From rulebooks to character sheets, we've got you covered!
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Do you play Pathfinder? Are you looking at jumping into DC20? Did I miss any similarities?
Ah yes, you mentioned all the similiarites, but I didn't hear any compelling reasons to move from Pathfinder 2e which is already far superior to D&D 5e, to DC20 which is just an exercise in cramming pf2e rules into d&d 5e and calling it a "new" game!!!
Absolutly. I also play like 4 other systems currently. But PF2e is my Main system:)
And I really like the ideas of DC20
@@natanoj16 How many of those ideas that you like where already in games your already playing though??? Sure in theory it makes perfect sense that you could just steal the best parts of pf2e, smoosh it in with the bones of d&d 5e plus a whole heap of features from other games, but the result isn't going to be a great game. Whats the common saying in pf2e, the math is tight. There is a reason actions have varying costs in pf2e, we all know this, but no thought has been put into that with DC20.
@@schemage2210Barrier to entry, for one. I can explain DC20 mechanics without people's eyes glazing over. I have yet to get more than 1 person to try pf2e.
@@schemage2210honestly, the more I loon at DC20 the harder I find it to draw mechanical parallels between it and 5e (beyond basic stuff like rolling advantage, making skill checks, and such). It wants the vibes of 5e and keeps a lot of names, but pretty much all of them are executed differently. The game also encourages you to spend actions modifying your moves, not just actions on more basic moves.
I’m so happy that DC20 has not just exploded in popularity but shown me so many new creators!!! Thank you for what you do
This. I've found a few channels through dc20
As 5e exclusive since 2014: My fav part of DC20 is so easy to learn\play. It literally took me only a few minutes to understand core concepts and one of my players picked it up so quick to. It's 5e backbone makes me confident in being able to run it too.
This is it for me... I looked at those 163 pages with dread. But before I realised it, I was able to get the core concepts down in about a night as opposed to a week lol. I'm sure there will be some resources to make character creation and rules even easier for new players.
@@alexabel8010 I'm planning to make some mechanic reference cards for new players to make character generation and common actions easier.
Only 5E for a decade?! That sounds INCREDIBLY boring! Even back in the AD&D(when the game was actually good) days I didn't ONLY play D&D.
You should REALLY broaden your horizons in gaming or(and go ahead and call me a grognard/gatekeeper, even though I'm actually doing the OPPOSITE and trying to get you to move passed the gate) just stop playing TTRPGs! I don't understand where you kids get this tribalism, NO ONE I have ever played with has ONLY played ONE game, only doing one thing gets boring AF!!!
@@JacksonOwex Young people and religious thinking/tribalism aren't uncommon. D&D is perfect for malleable young minds to latch onto.
@@JacksonOwex or they were just happy with what they had. That's something laudable in itself.
8:08 I disagree with you here! I feel like limited/fluent language model opens up SO many avenues for roleplay! A character could have a history of being around a particular type of people but being separated only understands a little of a language - just helpful enough to navigate through the giant village. A character could be fiendborn without realising, and find out they can partly understand the words of an abyssal being possessing a priest or the words carved across a sword.
The fluency levels open up an extra avenue of roleplay when the party enters and explores a hold. NPCs may be surprised at the fluency of a character's Elvish and treat them more favourably. They may be upset that a Dwarf isn't fluent in their own language and treat them unfavourably. I love roleplay, and I think that's a great option to have for the sake of roleplaying.
Absolutely. Let it be role-play. Not a gated mechanic. In the LARP I ran for over a decade, we used to have "Read/Write" as a purchased skill. Without it, you were illiterate. It was a skill sink (and could be very costly depending on your species) and extremely annoying to RP. We killed it when we re-worked the ruleset. Now, it is a player's choice to be illiterate. And yes, we have players that love to RP that, and players that love to RP teaching someone to read/write. But it is now a choice, not a mechanic.
Nothing says that just because you know elvish, or dwarvish that you can CHOOSE to be inarticulate. It should be a player/GM choice. "I know how all the swear words in dwarvish. And how to order an ale. But that's about it." is legitimate.
On a rules note, a GM and player would have to figure out what the PC knows of a language and what they don't. Then track it somehow. If I know the word krankenhaus in German, then I would always know it. But how do you track it? To me, it just is an unnecessary mechanic.
@@mythicodm Hmm... I think I'm seeing your point! Well... I believe there's a difference between "limited" extra language and being illiterate in common. I suppose it's one of those things we'll have to see in-game.
If it becomes unfun for the players, then it's simply worth throwing out. But I believe it will add great tension/relief when a player can kind of/fully navigate a society. I predict the sense of adventure will carry into the social encounters.
As for keeping track: I don't believe it has to be so granular. A simple language check as stated in the rules would be good enough. I see no need to get deep enough to track particular words in a sentence. _"The Orc tells you something... Roll a D20"_ *Fail* _"The Orc says: I would love for you to bring my wife flowers!"_ There's so much fun to be had!
@@alexabel8010 that’s the beauty of any system. If a rule or mechanic is not working, scrap it.
Cheers!
I cant wait too see whare DC20 will go it looks super promising
DC20 is a really fun system to run and play!
I’m looking forward to running some one shots with a variety of players I know to see how they take to it.
@@mythicodm My table tried to switch to Level Up from EN Publishing but it was too crunchy for anyone to keep up with their own sheet, let alone the rest of the rules. DC20 is still flexible and crispy, but many of the rules are just a "core rule" applied to different areas ("by 5's" for example).
DC20 to the moon! Great to play and hear about.
The language mechanic isn't odd at all. It's very natural. It can potentially add a lot by players misinterpreting, insulting, etc. There's no difference saying language doesn't add anything--may as well just make common the only language.
Oh, no. Language makes the game way more interesting. I have a wizard who picks them up as fast as he can. You can RP the misinterpretations for sure. I just don't think there needs to be a mechanic to it. Let it come through RP.
Glad to see and find channels i didn't know discussing DC20.
I've subscribed several already lol
Thanks! Yeah. Lots more coverage of DC20 coming as Beta's update and we get to see more of the game.
This is a good comparison!
Loved your video. Great comparison between the two systems. I personally play dnd and have only heard things about PF2e. DC20 stikes in a very good way for me. Few mechanics are clunky and I agree that in my games, language is not something I really play with, but there’s definitely a bunch of mechanics that feels very good.
I’m super excited for DC20 as Pathfinder is just a bit too much crunch for my group, but we can kinda get the best of both worlds without too much confusion.
I can understand that for sure. I love the crunch of PF2e and my group does as well. I'm glad to see a balance struck with the 2 systems.
Awesome. 🙂👍🏻 DC20.🎉
For the Algorithm!
(And DC20 💜🐲💜)
I am looking for a new system to move to after playing 3.5 for years.
So far Worlds without number looks really good, but DC20 is definitely another good option that looks promising.
The fundamental difference here is that WWN isnt as heroic, you are more of an adventurer that dies easily.
I loved 3.5. There was just way too many "splatbooks" and it always felt like an escalation of power between the DM and the players. But, I played that system for years.
I will have to look into WWN. I'll add it to my list. Cheers!
@@mythicodm 3.5 is just very overloaded with rules. Its fine once you are used to it, but the newer games are just so much smoother in the design, balance etc.
Also with DC20 you can delay your turn in the turn order to go at the same time as a team member for team attacks
Yes, that is correct. Team tactics are a very big PLUS in DC20. That is one of the reasons I love Pathfinder 2e. The synergies that a group can create is fantastic. DC20 is going in that direction as well.
4 weeks later the algorithm put this video in front of me. Great video, earned a subscribe in hopes of more DC20 content in the future. 😊👍
Welcome to the infamous YT algorithm. 🤓
Minor correction. Shields work like DND 5e directly raising physical defense. Raising shield is a defense reaction to a specific attack that grants the shield defense bonus to damage reduction.
Ah. I missed that. Thanks!!
great vid bud, just subscribed, im an osr dude from 1981, just got back into the hobby in 202, lil bit overwhelmed by the amount of ttrpgs, and not too excited with 5e, so decided to make my own version, maybe not the smartest idea but hey at least im playiin again :) ... cheers Keep 'em Rollin'
I like this video!
Gogo DC20 💜
Looking forward to more PF2 and DC20 content! thank you for doing it! New sub here.
Man the Skills & Powers book was such a game changer for 2e. I loved this book so much.
I love DC20 content but Canadian DC20 content... Sign me up!
Thanks!
Big fan of the clear and concise explanations. Some of Dungeon coaches DC20 videos feel like I’m watching it on 3X and are a little hard to follow 😅
Yeah. He is very high energy. 😉
2:20 Yeah, because both of the guys heading the companies are old school gamers that have played MANY, MANY, MNAY different systems over the years and the d20 system is NOT the end-all-be-all of TTRPG systems!
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Personally what I would like to be ported from 2e is the fact that you choose your subclass at level 1. After playing 5e for a while now I find it much better the way it was handled in 2e edition.
1. Choosing at level 1 your specialty made more sense thematically. A paladin doesn't become a inquisitor by fighting monsters but by having a harsh training in a specific way for years.
2. Mechanically it also offered more interesting aspect. You could trade some of your innate abilities for some other ones. A inquisitor cannot cast spell but he can cancel them. He didn't train casting spells because it cost time and he put his effort in something else. If you start level 3, you cannot remove a ability for another one, it would make zero sense since you have it before leveling up. Thematically and mechanically I feel this is a stronger approach. It also is more easy for a new DM that could just accept the base class are they are complete right away, subclass can always be optional.
I do agree on the subclass. At least in dc20, it’s consistent at 3rd. I believe the new edition of D&D still has them spread out with features gained sporadically.
I would like to see DC20 bring over retraining as a downtime activity.
I also had a idea this morning for a optional rule. The most powerful monsters could have a Keyword like 'Epic'. What this optional rule would do is if you fall to 0 hit point you when attacked by these monsters you are not unconscious but dead. Imagine fighting a dragon that a single one of his claw is the size of your character or they could fit 10 humans easily in their mouth. Dying to them would not mean you fall on the ground, it means your are devoured, cut to pieces or be transform into a pile of ash. This would significantly increase the risk for adventurers to fight the strongest monsters that exist and some thematic reasoning to their strength and the danger to confront them. I don't think this rule would come into often but maybe if your group become super powerful and you want to add spices to the risk taking at that level, that would be a interesting to do it.
@@Exozik in our LARP we have creatures that can swing “shatter spirit”. If that hits you, and you cannot defend against it, you are dead, and heading to the resurrection circle (where you character has a chance to permanently die).
You’d have to be EXTREMELY careful with an ability like that. And make sure you talk to your players beforehand (like in your session 0) that specific monsters have that ability
@@mythicodm Yeah indeed. But I like these rules even if they never enter play for your characters directly. I feel like they add a little something that makes your characters having to respect the most powerful being of the world they are in and not just think that leveling up can solve everything.
Personaly, disagree with the language take.
If a system tells you, you know a language, then that's it. Unless you specifically want to roleplay it, you are just fluent.
But if the system gives you a level of fluency, now it inherently tips you into how to roleplay.
Which is better for newer players. Imo.
Also, it opens new game possibilities because it's in system, getting half the message is a thing that can happen now.
So they gotta figure out the rest of the message now, maybe with some help from an npc.
In my experience it's basically always the full message or none of it.
To me, if you need a mechanic to force RP, then that is a bad mechanic. Nothing says, in any system, that you as a GM cannot tell players that exact thing. "Just because you "know" a language does not make you fluent and you may end up with situations where you need to decipher some of the words, meanings etc." That should be a RP choice of the GM and players. Not a mechanic that forces it.
@@mythicodm who said force? Does 5e force you to always be fluent? By your logic, yes.
And I disagree. It "should" be whichever you prefer. One isn't inherently better than the other
To me this seems to better then Pathfinder
I’ll have to play test it a bit. I think it’s an interesting blend, but I won’t be switching over to it with all of my games once it’s released.
10:47 That's sounds like it could end up causing WAY TO MANY crits!
The bonuses are pretty low. I think if the PD or MD are balanced, it should be about as much as in D&D. but the damage only steps up by 1 or 2. Once .9 releases I’ll be doing more play testing and I’ll post a video with my results.
Any D&D from WotC could be considered a clone of "real" D&D if you want to try to look at it that way. I don't see DC20 as a clone of D&D, more an evolution. Think evolution as per the X-Men storyline. Comparatively, DC20 is adding super powers to the system mechanics. D&D is for the "noramls".
In my homebrew, every spell costs 1 action point. Then spell points increase its power and level. Why do spells in pathfinder cost more than 1 action point?
Well, mostly for game balance. You really don’t want a caster pumping out 3 fireballs in a round. Even 3 cantrips such as electric arc, which only has a save, not an attack that would use MAP, would be overpowered at higher levels.
@@mythicodm Understood. In my homebrew, I only allow 1 damaging spell to be cast per round. That is why I can give it 1 action point. But the spellcaster can also cast a non-damaging spell for another action point.
@@polvotiernoI’ve played with a similar idea for 5e homebrew.
@@mythicodma thing with DC20 though is that EVERY spell is subject to multiple check penalty. Cast an attack cantrip, then turn to heal someone? You're healing with disadvantage. As far as I know there are no plans for spells (at least not combat spells) that don't involve you rolling a spell check.
The assumption is that yeah, you can one-action the basic version of many spells (some spells are 2 action), but most of the time you'll be wanting to apply enhancements to your spells and your martial attacks, making them 2+ actions.
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Thanks!