Live Free Armory, Apollo 11, Tabletop Features look + Disassembly
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In this video on the Live Free armory Apollo 11, we Go over the features of the Apollo 11, as well as some things I missed and wanted to cover from the Range video.
Check out the range video here:
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Just got my black Apollo 11 today and so far it is nice. Have not fired it yet. Just field stripped and cleaned it. Initial impressions:
1. Coating appears to be more susceptible to damage than just regular cerakote. The inside of the slide where the barrel rubs was full of scratches from the barrel, down to the metal.
2. I'm concerned about the grip safety. It is very heavy and requires +90% engagement to allow firing.
3. Trigger pull weight is suppose to be ~3.5, but I'm measuring 4Lbs 15oz consistently.
4. Minor issue here, the trigger reset is slightly scratchy, but this might wear in as it breaks in.
Overall for $979, this is a deal and definitely a Prodigy killer. I have 3 Prodigies and had to change out a lot of parts to get them to work right.
I also have 4 Staccatos and 5 Wilson Combats which of course are not a fair comparison to either the Prodigies or the Apollo 11.
Took it to the range today for the first time. Impressive compared to Prodigy. I have three Prodigies, two I bought new and one used. Both of the Prodigies I bought new had many malfunctions right from the start. The used 5" Prodigy I purchased also had malfunctions. All three of my Prodigies are super reliable now after I have done a lot of work with $300+ in parts for each. All three of my Prodigies are now reliable and I can go and shoot 2~300 rounds with zero malfunctions.
Ok, back to the Apollo - brand new at the range, 120 rounds, zero malfunctions with exception of not locking back on empty.
However I did not used the Apollo 11 mag, I used Staccato and Atlas mags. What is strange is that they all failed to lock back at the range, but when I returned home and the gun was cold they would all lock back. I will have to try the real Apollo 11 mag next time at the range to see if it locks back when the gun is hot.
Second time to the range with a Holosun 507K X2 mounted. The two screws only holding method is not making it. The red dot was all over the place - and yes there was locktight on the screws and torqued to 15in-Lbs. For now a red dot is not usable. Unfortunately using the iron sights put rounds six inches high and to the right. This will require a change in front sight to fix - higher front sight.
For $1000 you should expect tooling marks on the gun. It is not hand-fit by a gunsmith. I am sure LFA machines these to be as close in tolerance as possible. Just make sure you lube it up. The elite line of cerakote is tougher as it is a different formula. The ultimate is PVD, nitride, etc. But those finishes are expensive. Enjoy the gun.
@@VictorSilva-rq4kz did yours also include optics mounting screws that were alarmingly short? Mine barely protruded through my 507k & had to be replaced.
@VictorSilva-rq4kz my question is this. With some work can it be on a Staccato level?
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Nice video and a very good pistol that punches well above its price point. I have just over 1000 rounds through my Apollo 11, no issues at all with various FMJ ammo, after about 600 rounds and a good cleaning and lube it would feed hollow points just fine. LFA has done a great job especially for a sub 1k price. My only suggestion is for them to offer an aluminum or steel grip option as a factory upgrade, and to offer a good exchange to us early supporters of this platform from them. The Plastic or whatever Grip, looks good and feels fine but the material is to thin and light and does not balance well or give a firm confident feel. Keep the current grip at the same price point and add 10 to 20 % upgrade for a guality aluminum grip with tactical Magwell.
I would LOVE a metal grip frame on the Apollo, and i have heard rumors about it. I fear it would drive the cost above 1k though, however for them to offer a metal grip module as an optional accessory so that they keep the price of the gun where it is at would be a great thing, and then it could also help the 2011 builder market too.
Amazing video thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is a great piece of kit. The fact you can get a quality 1911DS for under a thousand bucks sets a new bar. The red dirt trigger is excellent. I prefer a full-length frame as it adds weight balancing the full magazine. The tri-top is a nice touch. LFA should offer a pinned grip safety. I would put a tooless guide rod in and if they manufacture a forged ignition system there is no need to put an EGW system in. I have read reviews and have shot this pistol at my club. There is a lag in the slide return, I think maybe it is the disconnector, an easy change, and an upgrade. Here is the question, if I own all of the usual suspects in 2011s, Atlas, Hayes, Bul, then what does this gun add to my collection. Well, I would carry this. The polymer grip deducts weight so it would not drop my pants. In addition, IF I ever had to pull for a threat, I could live with the police confiscating a $1000 pistol over my $6000 Nighthawk. Remember why we carry. protection and defense for you, your family, and innocent strangers.
Hey Rogue, Thank you for the thoughtful response, I just got around to setting down and going through all the comments i missed, It sounds like you have a pretty good collection of 2011's out there, and you know what the great thing about this Apollo 11 is? It is going to be a great entry into the 2011 world for someone who may be on the fence about spending the money that a 2011 usually costs, and they might see the light and decide to buy an Atlas later.
You also make a great point that if you have to use it defensively, and it gets held as evidence, you don't have a multiple thousand dollar 2011 sitting in police lockup. Thank you for watching!
They should release a white cerakoted one to fit the theme of the Apollo 11
Then you have to buy a White Vector or Steyr AUG to go with it.
Great video thanks.
Hey, thank you for watching!
Def have to pick one of these up!
Did you decide to grab one, I am sorry for the late reply, but I figure it may have given you time to snag one!
great video and the only one out there ive seen as a tabletop
Hey, Thank you for watching it!
I was really impressed with Apollo at ShotShow , cant wait to get mine .
Have you gotten one preordered or ordered from LFA yet?
@@WVGunsNGoats no, I put my name on the list
Another WV boy here glad I found your channel thanks for the review ❤❤
Hey welcome to my channel, and I hope you joined the Herd by subscribing, Gotta get WV out there man, the state doesn't have a lot of representation.
@@WVGunsNGoats yes I have and yes we do. The funny thing to me is we raise boer goats to sell to sell for fair kids and such. I to have guns and I am getting into shooting uspsa matches this year at the Putnam County gun club.
@@bryanslittlegarage5724whats your name? i also shoot pcgc.
That is a really nice gun. If I was in the market for a 2011 style pistol, this would be something I would strongly consider. Amazing price for what you get. I have decided to pair down my collection to a strictly Glock 9mm system. Having multiple guns with different calibers and magazine compatibility made it more difficult to maintain. I am focused on a a strictly utilitarian approach to what I have on hand . I want to focus more on my training and less on my gear. Thanks for sharing.
Hey, thank you for your input, and for watching my video, I know there are a lot of guns on the market and as shooters we tend to buy a bunch of different guns for our collections and sometimes you just have to thin the herd so to speak and focus on a few you like the most!
MJD Villain or Staccato P grips are mint for this gun
Can't wait for mine 😢
Now that its been about 4 months, did you manage to get one? what has been your experience with it?
Just ordered mine in FDE. I have watched a lot of different videos on this. It has its issues but overall for the price point I am looking forward to getting it and shooting it. It does have MIM parts though. I believe the take down lever is MIM. Great video, thank you.
The new release isn't anymore.
I talked to LFA at SHOT show and they said that the in house safeties and slide releases are going into full production. Thanks for watching!
Thanks good info. waiting on my silver apollo
Hey It's been about 4 months, did you manage to finally get it? what has been your experience?
@@WVGunsNGoats Yes i got my apollo in black it is by far superior to the 4.25 protegy with the mim ambi safety breaking. P.S I'LL get a commander apollo next .
@@anthonyingram9142 That is great to hear! Glad you are enjoying it. The commander looks so good, they did a great job on it.
Just FYI, that's not an RMSc footprint. It's RMSc-compatible. The recoil lugs that are part of the RMSc spec are missing, so the optics screws will take all the recoil vs distributing it across four lugs + two screws. Even the HolosunK modified RMSc would still have had the two front lugs. This is indicative of end-milling the slide vs. CNC milling it, representing cost-savings at the potential expense of durability of the optic/screws because of what's being forced to absorb the recoil and where (all in the middle of the optic vs. two or four corners + two screws).
Wont the wall of the slide behind the optic if it fits tight enough also take some of the recoil force as it would be touching the back of the optic and preventing it from moving as well?
@@WVGunsNGoats Negligible, at best, even assuming the optic goes all the way against the rear. The optics have post holes in them for a reason... the same reason the spec (RMSc and Holosun K) have posts. Recoil absorption. It'll be interesting to see if there are reports in the next 6-12 months of optics flying off, sheared screws, etc. It was a simple thing LFA could have done right and instead appears to have cheaped out on... and that kind of red flag was enough for me to cancel my "ready to ship" order with them once I found out. It speaks to other potential cost-cutting that's gone unseen and could lead to a less durable firearm.
Thank you for the insight into it, i wonder if they will add them as production continues, i will have to ask them at SHOT show next year.
@@WVGunsNGoats I doubt it. It's a change to their machining process. This really calls out their bullshit about all of their "look at our new machining capabilities" posts on Instagram, etc. This is home-gun-builder quality, IMO, vs. CNC quality that all the other major manufacturers are using.
@@thatmikereedWithout actually seeing the plate where it lines up on the pistol, your comments are based on assumptions only. It's quite possible the plate does mesh with the optic cut out with won't put stress on the optic screws. And frankly this is more than likely the case.
I really wanted the Girsan but this looks like a considerable upgrade for not much more.
Make sure to check out the linked range video as well!
Yea I would for sure recommend this over girsan mine has been working flawlessly
but also because it's a Girsan.. same $ aside, like it's even a consideration.@@swartzkoft7886
Humble marksman reviewed the Girsan and it was choking on ammo the whole time
Mine arrives on Tuesday!
I've had two range sessions with it so far. Shoots beautifully. I'm quite pleased.
So glad to hear that, I really think this a great pistol to bring people into the 2011 market, And its great that yours is doing well!
maybe you can make a seperte video on how to remove the internals? the sear, disco pin looks a little funky. it sticks out one side and is grooved for the left side thumb safety. I just got mine ( FDE too) and i wimped out trying to remove that pin
I just picked up the Springfield prodigy. If I would have saw this first I might of picked this up instead. Edit: just added myself to the waiting list for the compact version
I would have loved the Compact version but as it was I had to wait quite a while for the fullsize from the time i got onto the pre order until the time it arrived. Thank you for watching!
Wonder if the stacatto captured guide rod will fit so u dont needa paper clip
Dawson makes the tool-less rod for Staccato & others and I’d be willing to bet it would fit.
Where in WV are u? I’m in Calhoun county if your close
Check your instagram messages :)
Got nice real recent. safety flips down alright, but up is very tough, basically have to break grip completely to safe?
After having it a month, has the gun broken in?
Do you know if the grip is based on a Gen1 or Gen2 Staccato grip?
I am not sure which generation exactly, sorry.
What about the trigger reset
do you recall when you got on the presale list? new sub, great vid. thx
April
getting one of these tho.. on the list somewhere.. then getting the Commander .. and,,..
Sorry for the long time before responding, but since time has passed, did you manage to get one?
One of their techs told me the grip modules and springs are outsourced. Everything else is made in house. No idea about the sights
I might check one of these out when they out out the 4.25 inch model. But I’ve heard that the 5inch ones trigger is bad n heavy
It's suppose to be 3.5Lbs, but mine was almost 5Lbs. I have changed it to a little under 4lbs.
I had the same experience with mine, the trigger came in around 5 lbs and i had it worked on and now its around 3 and some change.
7:37 Okay, I understand that the grip module is "patterned after" the Staccato, but does that mean that a magwell designed for STI will pop right on without issue?
Same question on a magwell
@@Renrondog unfortunately, I haven't taken the chance of wasting money yet to see if they would be 1911 DS universal.
Yes, STI/Staccato Generation 1 grip modules will fit onto the Apollo from what i have seen. I believe i saw a guy on reddit who installed a takeoff Staccato grip module onto his apollo, and i know the grips from MJD designs will work.
Great video! Waiting for mine to come in. Just sub'd/. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the sub and the appreciative comment!
I couldn’t find one. Where did you get yours?
I got in on the pre order list from Live free armory, has been since April this year.
Some shops have it online already. I was able to get from out of state from a shop that doesn't do much mail order, so no sales tax.
Just found a very, I would say embarrassing, misspelled word on the gun. I thought, possibly it was just mine, but I see this one has it too (12:19). "MELBOURE", come on, nobody checked this?
You know..i never even noticed it, lol. Oh man thats a doozie.
Edit: I had another guy check and its like that on their gun as well!
Mine has the "N" (sn 7xx)
Just shot the girsan and its really nice and was 800$ at the shop ...I have to say I was really impressed but its a import
I'm not sure how i feel about an 8lb 1911 trigger.
Cant get mine to come apart after i just went and shot it for the first time, was able to take it apart prior to shooting it
What part of it is giving you problems?
Sure wish the mag release was ambi…. I’m a lefty and to me that makes all the difference…
I am sorry, but I do not know a lot of 1911 style guns with an ambi magazine release. But thank you for watching!
Apollo owners; has anyone else who has mounted an optic experienced any issues with having to max out their RDO adjustment range in attempts to gain zero?
See above under Victor Silva, I mounted a red dot and I did not have that issue. My issue was that it only has screws holing it in place. The red dot kept moving after every shot. Without an optic the impact point is hight and to right.
Cory, I will be mounting an optic to this gun shortly, and making further videos on it, I will keep an eye out for this issue!
I was late to the party. So gonna wait 6 months😢
It's gonna be worth it
The wait gets shorter everyday!
Looks like a nice 2011 but the optic cut is garbage. Theirs no recoil lugs which is a big problem if tou want to direct mount your Dot.
It looks like a rmsc optic should fit snug inside of the cut and the walls of the cut itself are acting as the recoil lugs to hold it from moving.
Sounds good, but unfortunately i know at least with the amp however anything not made in house was ordered in bulk from Taiwan.. not a very impressive company. I'd rather have an honest import than a domestic lie...
I am not sure about the AMP other than it was sold to PSA now, That would have been one of their first products as a company, and I think as they grew and expanded their manufacturing process, I would hope that they are being truthful in their statement that everything is US made on the firearms now.
eww Girsan.. cmon. Turkey guns, FTL, IMO. i do my best not to buy products from companies in countries that hate the US. Hard pass.
I do have a turkish tisas 9mm 1911 thats pretty good, and i didnt pay too much for it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_in_NATO and Tisas is making better quality guns than most US manufacturers at this [price] point.
This gun isn’t a girsan
@@Hollerboy931yeah this is a US made gun, i mention the girsan because its the next cheapest 2011.
I thought they said this was made in Florida
It has a pre travel screw too
Because it's a Red Dirt trigger.
Obviously
@@swartzkoft7886 You know they've stated they're moving away from those after the initial run, right?
@thatmikereed yea but for now that's what they have
It's an awesome gun mine just has a bit of a loose thumb safety on the right side
I believe that is pretty common as long as it cannot fully come out with the slide on.
@WVGunsNGoats yea I'm still really happy with it
You get it out to the range yet?
@WVGunsNGoats yes sir ran flawlessly feels really good
My left hand thumb safety is only slightly loose, but the issue I'm trying to figure out is:: When I grip the gun (right handed) I use a high and very tight grip, which seems push the left side safety slightly up, which seems to restrict the slide when attempting to retract it. I don't know the internals well enough to say what may be happening. I will call Jullien when time allows. Anybody with some incite? Other than "Don't grip it so high"
Less than 1k...now we are talking. They make a 4.25 and im in. I Don't like the stacatto mags...i wish it was glock or somthing else. But you get what you get
There compact one is 4.15 I believe and is available now
Hey I know its been 3 months since shot show, but they have released a compact model.
It looks so good too!