Absolutely love your channel. Keep up with the amazing content and can’t wait to muster up the courage to send you my STI DVC Tactical for some upgrades.
Heck of a roundup… I appreciate you braving this cold weather to make this shooting video. I truly appreciate everything that you do, and also greatly appreciate your further thought’s on the Apache. I was already leaning towards going with a Cheely E2 and having the grip safety pinned, along with adding Atlas shielded ambi-safety, then having it PVD coated to match. I paid $3,600 for the Apache without SRO and figured with the Cheely E2 l, the total cost would put me in the same price bracket as the Staccato XC without Optic.
I hope so, I think they resolved the extractor issues they had in early models, but I have also seen evidence of QC issues, tooling marks etc. I ordered mine through Kovert, so I am really hoping they will go through the pistols and QC them as well. I have a Cheely E2 on the way along with Atlas sheielded ambi-safeties, Atlas 126mm and 140mm magazines, and Atlas optic plate for my Holosun 507 GR competition..: I am really looking to get the Cheely E2 blended and fitted along with the Atlas Shielded ambi- safeties, then hoping to get them both PVD coated to match the grip with slide and frame, and safeties with original safeties… maybe even the magazine baseplates to match the Safeties and trigger as well. Think you could give me a good quote and get it done?
Nice to see straight talk from someone dedicated to double stacks. You’ve seen the best, worst and everything in between. Pleased with my Apache and Watchtower has been first class to work with. Cool to see a company’s first offering rank in this class of pistols 🤘🏼
Nice to see this round up and appreciate the feedback. Just placed a deposit on an Apache, special version from another vendor with an aluminum grip. Can't wait to get my hands on it. I was very impressed with what I saw from Watchtower at SHOT.
As always awesome video. I agree the new Apache looks better with your grip on it. Can't wait to see your Omen when it comes out. I do like to the PVD on the Apache. I would love to have my XC PVD that way. In comparison I believe the Erebus, your XC, Apache, and Pitviper all shoot the flattest.
Awesome video. Probably your best to date. Once you’re ready to swap out that EVO grip on your nemesis, I’ll gladly take it off your hands. This way I can send my XC in for the grip, trigger, and atlas safeties. Atlas will be offering their Alpha grip for sale later this year for Staccato patterned frames
Great video, i have ordered the Apatche, i own the Nighthawk, and the Staccato, i was wondering if you have tried or handled the LEGION PRECISION WEAPON SYSTEMS Chiraq 2011, if not can you try it and post it. Your Chanelle even it is relatively new, it has helped me significantly more than any other gun Chanelle regarding the 2011 style hand guns. Your tutorials and Staccato break down videos are the ones i used while i did my Staccato upgrades. Thank you for your honesty and doing the comparisons that we are looking for.
One thing that is interesting to me is in the higher end models the XC moves very quickly in the secondary market for generally about original cost. The even higher end Atlas, etc., just don’t move the same. Obviously there’sa difference between 4500ish and 6kish plus.
my erebus has some issues at first but after thorough cleaning, the 2nd range trip is smooth as heck. I guess it just need some break in. erebus Hands down the best handgun I’ve ever shot and best firearm I’ve owned.
The 2 Atlas and the TRS comp ejected on the very same arc and line every time. It indicates a perfectly tuned loading and extracting system. The Apache was far more scattered in the ejection pattern. That's about $40,000 sitting on that table. Damn, I need to move next door! I will be extremely interested to see what Skip can do with the Omen and its speed.
Thanks for braving the cold to bring us this video. I agree, the Apache's grip seems a little out of place. I'm not saying they were cutting corners, but I'm not defending them, either. Do you think we are at the point that there are just so many good grip options or preferences that shooters in this price tier are just gonna upgrade anyways? I guess I'm just looking for a practical perspective.
I have a 2019 staccato p and love that gun. It’s the only 2011 I’ve ever shot, but today I got a xc and 😮 I hear people say atlas makes a nicer gun then the xc, but is it on the fit and finish only. I can’t imagine anything shooting flatter than an xc.
New isn’t bad I appreciate it. I actually did a review awhile back if u look through the old videos but could always have something new if a customer sends one in. Www.skipsguns.com
@2ANLA I think the Erebus is rather ugly as well… it is a brilliant shooter, but Atlas needs to do something about the lines on that compensator. It looks like a complete after thought, and is like an ugly nose on a bad ass chicka. For $7-8K pistols, I think Atlas needs to step it up a notch… I am really liking the lines in that new Atlas EOS Commander length pistol though! I am torn between it and that Combat Precision M5-SS Kovert Edition with the Chunk port compensator. I just wish they would have used the Cheely E2 Grip frame over the L2…. but that is more of a personal preference thing.
Bro those are some really nice looking weapons, never seen them before. They look like some Jhon Wick shit😂...sweeet😮. Having the range for yourself...priceless🤠
When you buy the top-tier 2011s you shouldn't be spending all that extra money for grips, ambidextrous safeties, optics cut, etc. That's why Staccato, Nighthawk and others just fall short of the Atlas. Owning all of these brands I'd had to rank Atlas on top. Honorable mention to Brazo's Custom pistols. Great video. Fun. Thanks.
I think It doesn't have a metal grip because it's not in that 4500 price range. It actually retails for 3599. That's a crazy value. Even if you get a metal grip, it comes in way under even the XC, which has a polymer grip.
@@SkipsGunz no….thank YOU, Skip 🫡 you’re the muthafuckin man when it comes to smithing with style these days 😎 I know you’re not gonna release the Omen until it’s up to your standards, and I respect and appreciate the hell outta that. But that doesn’t mean I don’t wish I already had one lol 😂 congratulations brother 🫡 I can’t wait to be the proud owner of an SGZ Omen 😎
You must have a death grip on those, the guns rise less than I see on other videos, and less than mine when I shoot them. Don’t have my Apache in yet, but to me the XC is flatter, softer and faster than even the Erebus
@@SkipsGunzI have the TTB edition from LPWS coming any day and I can’t freakin wait. Skip, I have a chance to get a Nighthawk TRS Comp now (They usually take 2 years to get) or I can get the Erebus. What do you think? The best top tier guns I have now are the XC, Alien Creator 500 and the Korth NXS. What would you recommend next for me?
@@SkipsGunz I’m glad you said that. I always like a second opinion. After hearing you, 2ANLA and Honest Outlaw rave about the Erebus, it’s an obvious no-brainer. Also, now that I know you have a shop I can start sending you my business. Thanks again Skip, I sure appreciate ya!
Watchtower plans on manufacturing a production model as well after they complete the limited run of the 1K Apache’s. You can probably still pick up one at a dealer, as most of the pre-orders went to dealers.
I'm a Dealer but ordered the Apache for personal use and am still waiting on it to get here. I ordered on October 19th. Hope to see a carry size version in the future.
@@joshmatthews3450The Kovert Edition is basically the same with DLC coating and a different grip frame… The PewView also had a 2lb trigger as well. I shot it at TriggerCon and it was extremely light. I ordered my PewView Apache through Kovert, and already have a Cheely E2 on the way along with Atlas shielded Ambi-Safeties, +2 Atlas Magazines, and Atlas optics plate for my Holosun 507 Competition.
That’s not cool to shoot that Erebus which was a customer’s gun that was sent into you do do some pvd work. You didn’t even ask him permission to shoot his gun for your video. He has it tuned for a specific load & probably the reason it jammed.
Just as stated to him I have 2 here and I’m guessing the second was who gave permission so as I stated I made a mistake and since trust was broken offer a full refund and return of the pistol. See I have nothing to hide or lies in my life I just simply explain what happened and if the mistake is to much for the person moving forward we don’t do business together.
@@SkipsGunz that is a cop out answer... you need to CORRECT the video and redo it with another Erebus, since that is the top of the top. To show it with malfunctions is not right because it was setup for a certain type of ammo. REDO the video
Www.skipsguns.com
All of those pistols are elite but the Erebus sure seems like the cream of the crop.
Absolutely love your channel. Keep up with the amazing content and can’t wait to muster up the courage to send you my STI DVC Tactical for some upgrades.
Heck of a roundup… I appreciate you braving this cold weather to make this shooting video. I truly appreciate everything that you do, and also greatly appreciate your further thought’s on the Apache. I was already leaning towards going with a Cheely E2 and having the grip safety pinned, along with adding Atlas shielded ambi-safety, then having it PVD coated to match. I paid $3,600 for the Apache without SRO and figured with the Cheely E2 l, the total cost would put me in the same price bracket as the Staccato XC without Optic.
It’s a good pistol I don’t think the price won’t be bad for you
I hope so, I think they resolved the extractor issues they had in early models, but I have also seen evidence of QC issues, tooling marks etc. I ordered mine through Kovert, so I am really hoping they will go through the pistols and QC them as well. I have a Cheely E2 on the way along with Atlas sheielded ambi-safeties, Atlas 126mm and 140mm magazines, and Atlas optic plate for my Holosun 507 GR competition..: I am really looking to get the Cheely E2 blended and fitted along with the Atlas Shielded ambi- safeties, then hoping to get them both PVD coated to match the grip with slide and frame, and safeties with original safeties… maybe even the magazine baseplates to match the Safeties and trigger as well. Think you could give me a good quote and get it done?
Nice to see straight talk from someone dedicated to double stacks. You’ve seen the best, worst and everything in between. Pleased with my Apache and Watchtower has been first class to work with. Cool to see a company’s first offering rank in this class of pistols 🤘🏼
It’s a nice one for sure
May I ask when your Apache arrived? I ordered mine on October 19th. Hoping to have it by mid Feb.
Nice to see this round up and appreciate the feedback. Just placed a deposit on an Apache, special version from another vendor with an aluminum grip. Can't wait to get my hands on it. I was very impressed with what I saw from Watchtower at SHOT.
All and all beautiful builds by skips g kudos, people also might wanna factor in the brand’s customer service!
As always awesome video. I agree the new Apache looks better with your grip on it. Can't wait to see your Omen when it comes out. I do like to the PVD on the Apache. I would love to have my XC PVD that way. In comparison I believe the Erebus, your XC, Apache, and Pitviper all shoot the flattest.
I love you skip! Thanks for keeping it real!
Awesome video. Probably your best to date. Once you’re ready to swap out that EVO grip on your nemesis, I’ll gladly take it off your hands. This way I can send my XC in for the grip, trigger, and atlas safeties. Atlas will be offering their Alpha grip for sale later this year for Staccato patterned frames
Great video, i have ordered the Apatche, i own the Nighthawk, and the Staccato, i was wondering if you have tried or handled the LEGION PRECISION WEAPON SYSTEMS Chiraq 2011, if not can you try it and post it. Your Chanelle even it is relatively new, it has helped me significantly more than any other gun Chanelle regarding the 2011 style hand guns. Your tutorials and Staccato break down videos are the ones i used while i did my Staccato upgrades. Thank you for your honesty and doing the comparisons that we are looking for.
One thing that is interesting to me is in the higher end models the XC moves very quickly in the secondary market for generally about original cost. The even higher end Atlas, etc., just don’t move the same. Obviously there’sa difference between 4500ish and 6kish plus.
my erebus has some issues at first but after thorough cleaning, the 2nd range trip is smooth as heck. I guess it just need some break in. erebus Hands down the best handgun I’ve ever shot and best firearm I’ve owned.
There really nice
So jealous of the arsenal on that bench. Curious on how the Staccato P with the plague comp stacks up against those perfected comp guns.
Few videos back Against the XC
Good video. Erebus is definitely the king of my collection
Pretty impressive piece
The 2 Atlas and the TRS comp ejected on the very same arc and line every time. It indicates a perfectly tuned loading and extracting system. The Apache was far more scattered in the ejection pattern. That's about $40,000 sitting on that table. Damn, I need to move next door! I will be extremely interested to see what Skip can do with the Omen and its speed.
Cmon over we got Guns 💪
the pitviper was sad too. expensive guns should come properly tuned.
Those 3-D STL files of your omen look pretty sick
Thanks Skip
This video kills me, I want to go buy all of them right now!
Awesome video!
The Erebus does look like it likes to run!
The Omen will Believe and Achieve to the top!
XC is just a bad ass gun!!! Especially for the price!
Thanks for braving the cold to bring us this video. I agree, the Apache's grip seems a little out of place. I'm not saying they were cutting corners, but I'm not defending them, either. Do you think we are at the point that there are just so many good grip options or preferences that shooters in this price tier are just gonna upgrade anyways? I guess I'm just looking for a practical perspective.
I really think it was easier to make it and availability would be there. Is all I can think.
@@SkipsGunz 👍👍
I have a 2019 staccato p and love that gun. It’s the only 2011 I’ve ever shot, but today I got a xc and 😮
I hear people say atlas makes a nicer gun then the xc, but is it on the fit and finish only. I can’t imagine anything shooting flatter than an xc.
It’s more towards the overall quality not so much being flat in fact atlas guns don’t shoot flat at all they have something called perfect zero
What grip is on your stacatto xc? I am interested in one.
Here’s my top 3 for low recoil
1) Aerabus
2) Night hawk ( surprisingly)
3) Nemesis
All nice though 👍🏻
That nighthawk rocks
How do these compare to a gun you’ve completely upgraded. Like a prodigy with all the bells and whistles
You have some Awesome toys.. very very nice.
Some are customers can’t take all the credit
Anyone else feel like a peasant?!?
Would have loved to have seen how an Infinity (Government or Widebody) would holdup against this lineup
Have a Bul Armory SAS SAW can you do a review on it or the Air model?
I don’t have one 😪
Yes!!!
Guns I can’t afford 😭
Im debating on a new grip for my apache when it arrives. Not sure whether to get an aluminum or stainless steel grip. Any thoughts?
My diamond grip is definitely a popular choice on them I think it looks great on it
Those guns look like they shoot at the same speed. 😮
16 in Columbus now. I ain’t going anywhere today. Clean the house and wait for football. 😂
HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please do a review of The Platypus 👍maybe im dumb and you already did lol , new follower
New isn’t bad I appreciate it. I actually did a review awhile back if u look through the old videos but could always have something new if a customer sends one in.
Www.skipsguns.com
Erebus is insane!
My Man I Told You That Erebus Is Different! I was talking with Ron and he thought it was an ugly gun. But what's under that hood.....CRAZY!!!!!
I really enjoy all of them proud to own some
@2ANLA I think the Erebus is rather ugly as well… it is a brilliant shooter, but Atlas needs to do something about the lines on that compensator. It looks like a complete after thought, and is like an ugly nose on a bad ass chicka. For $7-8K pistols, I think Atlas needs to step it up a notch… I am really liking the lines in that new Atlas EOS Commander length pistol though! I am torn between it and that Combat Precision M5-SS Kovert Edition with the Chunk port compensator. I just wish they would have used the Cheely E2 Grip frame over the L2…. but that is more of a personal preference thing.
I didn’t know you can get irons on the Erebus. Do you think I can add them on if I send my slide to Atlas?
Yeah if they’ll do it
I purchased a watchtower, would I be able to get your grip in black?
Absolutely we’re ready when u are you
Www.skipguns.com
Have you tried any of the Triarc Tri-11s? I here there really good.
Not yet hopefully soon
Where did you get the optic front sight post put on the Erebus?
Atlas lol 😂 the customer requested it
Bro those are some really nice looking weapons, never seen them before. They look like some Jhon Wick shit😂...sweeet😮. Having the range for yourself...priceless🤠
lol not always but when it happens I love it
When you buy the top-tier 2011s you shouldn't be spending all that extra money for grips, ambidextrous safeties, optics cut, etc. That's why Staccato, Nighthawk and others just fall short of the Atlas. Owning all of these brands I'd had to rank Atlas on top. Honorable mention to Brazo's Custom pistols. Great video. Fun. Thanks.
Thanks brother much appreciated
Do you ever pick which is the best or a winner in your versus videos?
The point is there all good just some take less to achieve perfection
I think It doesn't have a metal grip because it's not in that 4500 price range. It actually retails for 3599. That's a crazy value. Even if you get a metal grip, it comes in way under even the XC, which has a polymer grip.
Can you get the Erebus with a front sight or did you add it Skip ?
That customer said he special ordered it
Go ahead and say it Skip. It needs your grip lol and in my opinion, the Erebus had the best return to zero as well. Nice shootin brother 🫡
Thanks 👍
@@SkipsGunz no….thank YOU, Skip 🫡 you’re the muthafuckin man when it comes to smithing with style these days 😎 I know you’re not gonna release the Omen until it’s up to your standards, and I respect and appreciate the hell outta that. But that doesn’t mean I don’t wish I already had one lol 😂 congratulations brother 🫡 I can’t wait to be the proud owner of an SGZ Omen 😎
Are the iron sights on the Erebus costume made? Also, where are Nemesis' iron sights?
U must’ve skipped threw the video cause the guns a special order and the nemesis is plagued optic only
@@SkipsGunz Thank you for your reply. I did not skip, but I misted that information to be honest. Erebus with iron sights looks pretty neat!
You must have a death grip on those, the guns rise less than I see on other videos, and less than mine when I shoot them. Don’t have my Apache in yet, but to me the XC is flatter, softer and faster than even the Erebus
what ammo were you using for the apache?
All ammo in the videos is Callaway ballistics 115 124 and 135 if interested use code Sgz5 save aton
Why do you drop the muzzle after most of your single tap shots?
Looking at butterflies 🦋 lol
Do you ever sell any of the guns that were in your videos?
Yes we actually run a full time business based off of this RUclips channel
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Thank you for modding your guns. It gets boring seeing the same configuration as everyone else.
🔥👍
Give what you have shot would love to see where you think the "LEGION PRECISION WEAPON" in the stack
I reviewed the urban candy land I love those guns and even better group of people
@@SkipsGunz nice, I'll watch it
@@SkipsGunzI have the TTB edition from LPWS coming any day and I can’t freakin wait. Skip, I have a chance to get a Nighthawk TRS Comp now (They usually take 2 years to get) or I can get the Erebus. What do you think? The best top tier guns I have now are the XC, Alien Creator 500 and the Korth NXS. What would you recommend next for me?
Mmmmm Erebus I think 🤔 but with stuff like that whatever you want in the end is up to u. Sounds like u got a killer collection
@@SkipsGunz I’m glad you said that. I always like a second opinion. After hearing you, 2ANLA and Honest Outlaw rave about the Erebus, it’s an obvious no-brainer. Also, now that I know you have a shop I can start sending you my business. Thanks again Skip, I sure appreciate ya!
My poor ass is drooling over here! 🤤
One day bro u got this
Where’s the priest?! Does it not compare to these???
Hey Skip, thinking about purchasing an Apache; what’s the price and availability of your grip?
550 installed were making them
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Ill take anything you dont want on that table😂😂😂😂
🤘🤘🤘🤘
That's gotta be at least 20 grand worth of guns, optics, and grips. Sheesh 💸💸💸💸
No it’s more 1 gun is 9k lol not all my guns fyi
Erebus had erratic ejections.
Damn! About $30k in handguns there
Erebus top 💪💯
Apache is sold out not to be manufactured again.
Watchtower plans on manufacturing a production model as well after they complete the limited run of the 1K Apache’s. You can probably still pick up one at a dealer, as most of the pre-orders went to dealers.
I'm a Dealer but ordered the Apache for personal use and am still waiting on it to get here. I ordered on October 19th. Hope to see a carry size version in the future.
Somehow the production version Apache cost $400 more than limited edition…
Watchtower is doing a Kovert Apache now. Looks even better. 2lb trigger lol.
@@joshmatthews3450The Kovert Edition is basically the same with DLC coating and a different grip frame… The PewView also had a 2lb trigger as well. I shot it at TriggerCon and it was extremely light. I ordered my PewView Apache through Kovert, and already have a Cheely E2 on the way along with Atlas shielded Ambi-Safeties, +2 Atlas Magazines, and Atlas optics plate for my Holosun 507 Competition.
As soon as my Apache comes, I’m selling it! I’ve been seeing nothing but mediocre reviews on it
Are you saying the Erebus is the best?😎
We get it, you’re loaded.
More Fast and the Furious guns. 😂
Live my life a quarter mile at a time lol
am i the only one concerned with the holes in the pole lol
that erebus may be fast, but it needs an extractor tune, so does the pitviper. they cost too much money to not be set up properly.!
If u tryna rob him dont go for the wallet go for the gun lol
Lmao Goodluck il endup with there wallet
XC
Gun values...over 40 grand total
who's the best? I am.. the best. hi5.
That’s not cool
to shoot that Erebus which was a customer’s gun that was sent into you do do some pvd work. You didn’t even ask him permission to shoot his gun for your video. He has it tuned for a specific load & probably the reason it jammed.
Just as stated to him I have 2 here and I’m guessing the second was who gave permission so as I stated I made a mistake and since trust was broken offer a full refund and return of the pistol. See I have nothing to hide or lies in my life I just simply explain what happened and if the mistake is to much for the person moving forward we don’t do business together.
post up a picture or video of the 2 Erebus’s you have if that’s the case, until then I say your full of 💩
@@SkipsGunz that is a cop out answer... you need to CORRECT the video and redo it with another Erebus, since that is the top of the top. To show it with malfunctions is not right because it was setup for a certain type of ammo. REDO the video
I’d rewatch the video it actually didn’t malfunction the slide locked back cause I usually shoot with pedals
What are the entry price points?
Apache ejection all over the place. So is the Atlas.