End of Z... WE'VE GOT BIG PROBLEMS
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- There are a few major problems with Dragon Ball Super leading into the Ending of Dragon Ball Z. In this video we will talk about Ultra Instinct Goku, Beerus and much more to work out what must be done.
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Saitama is the goat
I think Vegeta is using the same augmented SS2 that Trunks used in the manga. I also have a theory that SS3 is just Augmented SS2 designed for a dead person to use, same way ASS2 is built for a living body.
It's not a big problem if they make something like xenoverse canon instead of that daima stuff and focus more on making clear there is different timelines. It's too easy to clear up and requires little imagination, it's those other money grubbers making conflicted and hurting established concepts that make dbz as great as it was supposed to be.
No this scenario could not Happen because That would mean super saiyan three Is stronger than all ultra instinct forms. Remember in the kids buu fight goku Said he could have beat kid buu But he wanted to give vegeta a chance. plus super buu Gohan Absorb Was the strongest next to vegeto who cares about uub at that points.
@psychocrusher295 most likely two things can happen. Either he gets ultra instinct fully mastered into his base form, or something happens and Zeno or someone erases the God amd angel powers for mortals. Otherwise they have to admit they screwed the series
They better not have Gohan quit training again. He is in a good spot right now.
Well, I can see it happening again, but because of the retelling of the story, when super 2 comeback There is a high possibility that they will retell the story of lazy gohan and the lesson Always be prepared, At least until we see gohan go beast mode again.
I don't see it. That lesson was too painful.
Toriyama: "Oh? You like Gohan being relevant?" *pushes glasses up menacingly*
lol dont jinx it man.... 😟
would be sad if they nerd him out again. cant wait to see what toyo and toriyama do.
hyped for EOZ reboot tho. i believe in you toyotoro lol. dbs is on fire atm.
I think it will happen but it won't affect gohan . Remember that End of Z Gohan trained all those years leading up to GT. So if gohan has gone back to his studies. He will balanced that with his training regimes. By the way, someone gotta draw beast end of z gohan!
The reason why Tori even did things during this 10 year timeskip, is because Japanese fans kept asking about what happened. They just couldn't accept that it was PEACE times.
Buuut yeah, the End of Z is ruined.
Uub sitting around with the power to destroy the universe without trying, even though he's just Kid Buu.
Vegeta is a destroyer, apparently with an ability to rival UI..so Uub being better than him is wild. Ridiculous.
Piccolo got a new form, yet doesn't want to fight Goku? Bogus.
Gohan says now that he knows he needs to train, but then suddenly STOPS training again? Wack.
Broly exists?
Peace?! What's that?
Buu Saga lasted 2 days 😭
@@SaiyanScholar They just don't care.
@@BaithNa Yeah, that's a stupid argument there. I'm not getting involved in that.
@@BaithNa Super is still canon because Toriyama oversaw it. Inconsistencies with the end of Z doesn't make Super non-canon. It just means there are Inconsistencies. Canonicity has nothing to do with consistency. Canonicity just refers to authenticity from the original author of a work.
@@masaomorinaga6412Right? Just because the author can't keep things straight and make a story that makes sense, doesn't mean it isn't canon. 😂
So we getting Dragonball Super GT
lol hells ya so when is dat ss4 and shadow dragons arc coming....
😁
I mean an upscaled version of GT that compensates for the power leveling in Super would go kinda hard, not gonna lie
Maybe they will solve everything just like they did with all spidermans in the marvel universe. Maybe show alternate multiverse with uub , etc.
DB GTS.
If they just gave the Ss4 upgrades too goten and trunks or even broly since he’s since it would give each current Z fighter a specific ability too call they’re own, like having UI goku, gohan or vegeta fight against a super saiyan 4 at current level would be amazing. Most importantly Someone God Please help Krillen, just give him Kaio Ken or something and 5 senzu beans he will work it out.
I'd rather Beerus wake up after End of Z
So go to sleep after Black Frieza and wake up after the tournament with Uub
Yes but Saitama claps Beerus cuz he is the GOAT with unknown durability while Beerus is cool and strong but its nothing compared to durability of Saitama have you seen OPM? Its crazy how durable Saitama is he tanked Garou gamma ray burst which is one of the most powerful events in the known universe
great idea
Bro why bring saitama who is full power is only universe lvl and talk trash just to not make any sense and be a littel kid who need someone to talk to @@Goatama1
@@BaithNa It’s Canon, no qualms about it.
I feel like a lot of the stuff you said needs to be commented on. I do think it'll be pretty impossible to tie Super and end of Z together.
- Beerus and Whis Don't have to be in every single scene. They could still exist.
- Nothing said Uub would be more powerful than everybody at his base. Goku wants to train him to be at his peak, so then he can spar with him at his peak, it's part of his 'Martial arts master' arc.
- I like your interpretation of the 5 year comment by Bulma.
- With Vegeta and Goku, sometimes when they spar they only use regular Super Saiyan.
- Vegeta is weird. He wins against goku but he's his own anti-hype man. Thinking to himself he didn't win the way he wanted to so it doesn't count.
Bulma having a sister the whole time as well. She was just never included in any family picture or name-dropped or have her own bedroom for 300 episodes.
@dansmith16 Yeah it feels like she was disowned by the family or something
....... or was just a retcon
Super is an alternate timeline anyways🤓
I see them keeping the overall theme of "End of Z" the same but modifying it for Super to fit in. Idk why people keep thinking they're going to strictly use the original End of Z.
i think tori will make whis n beerus cameo in the budokai watching the match and eating... lol.
soft reboot seems like what will happen tho. hyped.
It’s because DBS is set before DBZ ends. Duh! This is why when you explain what happens in a timeskip, you don’t make anything too radical otherwise this debacle happens. It has to be believable for what happens next. And the end of dragon ball Z happening in DBS post Tournament of power arc is unbelievable at best.
god ki uub > jiren.
it aint that had to believe...
😄😯
it just puts over oob even more tho.
ya and that old fat grand kai was OP.
underrated. @@kirklanyoshinaga8953
@@ssppeeaarr well we’ll never know the ending now
@@Heisenberg8100 well yeah toriyamas vision and version of it sadly...rip.
but toyo will carry it on.
Uub has god ki. If he is currently as strong as kid buu as a kid, imagine how strong he would be if he trained for a decade. His potential is even scarier than Frieza's. He's still relevant in dbz ending, especially when you consider goku fought him in base form. It's not that Uub is stronger than Moro, Broly, Gas, etc. It's that he has the most potential out of everyone in the series because he is literally the pure hearted reincarnation of kid buu. A previously mindless monster that didn't train a day in his life. As everyone should know, Goku is all about potential.
According to Super, Cabba was peak performance at base form at one point. The Saiyan race didn't transform and were scrawny whelps, but contains universal popping power all the same.
Came over to type this exact thing. Uub has potential, that’s why Goku searched for him.
It's simple, the timelines split because of beerus having the dream.
1. Everything leading up to BoG is the same. Including yo son goku and friends return!
2. Dbz and dbs timelines split when beerus wakes up prematurely. According to old kaioshin.
3. The whole zamasu/future trunks stuff, fractured the timeline even more. They went to and fro in the past/future at least 3 times. I'm wondering if merged zamasu got away in one of them?
We’re beating our heads over continuities, in a series Toriyama had clearly “Written by the seat of his pants”.
People trying to make logic sense of it it all lol. He just messed up and it’s ok the ending of z was 30 years ago. Now we have all these new much stronger characters. He just need to erase the end of Z it was just one thrown together episode anyways just to give people something.
@@Cyntdarlingthe end of Z is an continuation for Gt
@@TreFazo it’s non cannon so I’m not counting it plus I don’t like Dbgt
@@Cyntdarling lol ok? They didn’t add the end of z to be a cannon continuation you do realize that right
@@Cyntdarling the game doesn’t follow canon rules
Toriyama didn't thought about DBS after he did End of Z. Toriyama could've done DBS taking place after the End of Z or started new dragon ball series. Plus, Toriyama didn't give DBS a lot of thought like making DBS Frieza insanely strong while GT Frieza lost to base GT Goku despite GT Frieza train, Goku was easily injury by Sorbet, making DBS Android 17 almost strong as SSB Goku while GT 17 needed to become Super 17 to defeat SS4 Goku, DBS Broly was almost strong as Gogeta Blue, while DBZ Broly lost to Super Saiyan Goku, and many more. Toriyama had years to give DBS a lot of thought, but really didn't.
Lol I feel like the whole modern dragonball just an afterthought to make more money... and divide its fans
@@hxppythxughts7149Toriyama kinda split Dragon Ball in multiple directions after DBZ, like DBGT, DBS, and SDBH. Goku became the strongest mortal being in the universe after defeating Frieza, but Toriyama kept making more powerful characters after each saga, and making Goku more super more powerful as well, but after the Tournament of Power, he created Moro, Granolah, Gas, and Cell Max, making them super powerful from dumb reasons, like the wish to become the strongest by giving up your lifespan, Moro easily drains Goku's Ki, and Cell Max created in less than year would be stronger than DBS Broly despite Perfect Cell being killed by SS2 teen Gohan.
I thought it was Toyotarou and Toei now and Toriyama retired or just give suggestions for them to work off with? Isn’t the story of SDBH made by a game company, Dimps, just to sell the games? I heard Toriyama had some involvement in GT but towards the end of it. He is going to handle Daima though.
Toriyama didn’t write GT, only provided creative input on the designs. GT was written by Toei.
Toriyama has been giving story guidelines and ACTUALLY writing the Super films.
gt literally isn’t canon lmfao
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This is what I've been thinking for a bit but ESPECIALLY since the EOZ dlc in Kakarot
"There's no way Super and EOZ can coexist together in the same timeline" is what I've been thinking yet everyone I watched play it was just saying "where's ___ (insert Super idea/character/form here)" but I felt it was obvious why, they are not canon to each other (my thoughts)
I'm just glad someone's actually NOTICING AND COMMENTING ON IT
Thank you
At this point, they might as well say there's a split in the timeline. One is where Beerus wakes up, and the other where he doesn't. Both are canon. Can this not work and coexist with one another?
How exactly does Beerus change the end of Z? We barely saw much in those final chapters, and we know he's not always on earth.
In GT Goku's power level in base mode is as strong as his SSJ3 Boo Saga power which makes sense as he's been training for 20yrs before GT🤓 This is WAY better than always adding multiple transformations to the Saiyans👍👍
and that's why I prefer GT as the better continuation to DBZ
DBS isn't really a continuation to Z.
Super is an alternate timeline🤓
No way they can tie it together unless a wish is used with the super dragonballs to erase everyone memories of of Beerus and Whis but even still thats a stretch
Same think I said unless we get another time travel
i feel like dragonball daima hype maybe related to EOZ...
guess we have to wait and see.
It's called a retcon buddy lol
Why? I went through a quick read of 519/520 just now and there's no reason for them to mention Beerus and Whis.
FOR REAL! Whis and Beerus is the problem
I’m calling it now. Beerus will be taking one his infamous “multi year long naps” during this tournament.
Beerus isn't always on earth.
@@jasonone8726 He was on Earth most of Super when he found out about SSG
@@Zamamasu Well, he hasn't been on earth since Moro.
Great video
Z's ending Been Ruined in so many ways already, personally IDC if they "Fix" it.
@@BaithNa true
@@BaithNa yes it is
@@BaithNa GT is not canon, thankfully. Super was made by Toriama. At least with much involvement.
@@BaithNayou can say its non canon. But at the end of the day it's canon to the original dragonball manga and toriyama's story so therefore it's going to lead up to end of z because toriyama intentions with "super" is to connected the 5 year gap between buu saga and end of z.
@@danielschoch4881Damn I don’t think Toriyama should get involved anymore
Great video and video suggestion 🔥
I see super and end of Z being seperate timelines, where Super takes place of Deity battles while end of Z takes place of basic mortal training for 10 years, explains why they didn’t have divine power in end of Z
dude!!! you literally said what I explained to my buddies a long time ago! yes!! validated!!
I've probably said this before, but I really appreciate the Budokai soundtrack. So nostalgic.
Re watched DBZ movies all wknd 🔥🔥🔥
dragon ball super doesn’t make end of z non canon.the end of z will ALWAYS be canon,it’s toriyama’s original ending and nothing can change that,if anything Dbs is non canon for contradicting the original manga
Right and I hear this a lot but lemme ask you what if Toriyama, not Toyotaro but Toriyama himself but probably in some papers online it would say that he has changed things... What then Lol?
Its called retcon
@@danteshollowedgrounds that’s a possibility,but until proven otherwise the end of z is set in stone.and IMO toyotarou does not have the authority to reton that ending
@BaithNa it's written by toriyama himself and is stated to be the canonical continuation by him. You do not decide what is canon.
@@isaaccuevas1717 Oh yeah definitely not and I agree.
Bruh they honored the original ending and added a fan service fight that’s it.
I think goku’s interested in Uubs potential he doesn’t care that he isn’t that strong yet.
Super could honor it by having beerus and whis on their planet back home with Broly. But I’d rather them rewrite it really.
The bulma not seeing goku for 5 years quote is the biggest issue tbh
I think more than anything Goku was looking for a new defender of Earth. It just worked that training him fits the selfish ambition to challenge himself constantly
Love the thumbnail with Gohan circle 😂
They should have beerus tell bulma to call them when the tournament is over so they can celebrate and eat a lot of food. Seems like something his character would do
I only could imagine what kid buu is like at full power
In my Vision, everything in the "End of Z" can remain the same with having Beerus and Whis around this Time and Gohan still needs to become a Fighter and be a Scholar at the same Time, the thing I wanted to change is Bulma's Dialogue from 5 Years to be saying 5 or 6 Months in "Age 784" because the Son and Brief Families have been in Contact with each other throughout the past 5 Years around between "Age 779" and "Age 784" where all events of DBS have happened, so trying to change Bulma's Dialogue from Years into Months in EOZ's Time placement in "Age 784" can make much more Sense without Contradicting herself, but 1 other Thing I want to see change is Goku and Uub going to Train and Live in Beerus's Planet instead of living in Uub's Village or Dende's Lookout in GT.
Tbh I reckon Uub will be chosen to succeed Beerus and Goku will need to prepare him to eventually train with Whis. They’ll bait and switch Broly as a potential GoD but hell be too unstable.
@@TheTrveMothlord in the manga, they’re working w/ Broly on beerus planet controlling his rage. I believe Broly will replace beerus but Ubb, Gohan, piccolo, Goten&Trunks will be the new protectors of earth (pan too).
@@Broadkill54
Nah, broly is just learning control but not God ki. Uub already has God ki
I think nobody is gonna replace beers at all.
Another channel described Uub as someone who has a super high base level without power-ups, that's why Goku wants to fight him but also to train him as well
Wait in super hero is uub a teen to n already trained wit goku or he already did it off screen
I guess this seems silly now that we've lost Toriyama.
I think a movie to tie everything up as if characters current plans and etc how there living would be fine
I’m a firm believer that Super is a separate alternate timeline. There’s just so much that doesn’t add up with the original canon ending in 1996. Some even not matching up with the original anime. Like Goku’s characterization, and Future Trunks’s blue hair.
Super is canon Toriyama said it's before End of Z
Also trunks had blue hair in z aswell.
They kept switching his colors multiple times you can see this in the manga
Head canon junk
Dont care, Toriyama said alot of things out of his ass just to change it later. Plus Super writing is god awful so its about as canon as the Sequel trilogy of Star Wars, which SW fans notoriously pretend just doesnt exist. Learn what good writing and scaling is then come back @@DaThickSimmer
@@NuclearRizzicist Just because Toriyama pulls things out of his rear does that make you right? Toriyama is the author quit actin like a child.
I have a theory why uub could be an interest to goku is because of his dormant god ki that kid buu had, mentioned in the flashback in moro arc
I think the excuse for uub is quite simple. Just say that he has potential to be a great defender of universe 7, which he obviously has power for that.
Seeing goku reminisce and reflect on everything that happened in z was actually very pleasing. A little sad this dlc was very short but it was a nice treat
Honestly I believe Goku didn't transform on purpose against Uub, he wanted to face that power in base form. Also the End of Z is sorta a big Transition for Goku, from being a Martial Artist to a Master, and taking Uub full time as an apprintice. In a manner, that's one of the biggest steps to truly master the martial arts, for a master may train an apprintice, they learn from the experience too.
Base form was enough against Uub.
Things to note.
People praised that Super and Xenoverse revealed that GT is an alternate timeline and after the History of Trunks and seeing Gohan there, It's safe to say that alternate time lines are a thing in Dragonball, that said, The End of Z and Super could be different time lines, The biggest clue is staring us in the face, Future Trunks's return and all the crap Zamasu did and lead to Zeno erasing that whole timeline.
TLDR Super could take place in a different timeline as in GT Gohan did not have beast nor did Piccolo get his orange form. And Broly now exist in the Dragonball canon.
honestly I wouldn't mind if they changed few things about the end of Z because super is going in a direction were scaling is going to have to be adjusted and some character motivations are changing. For example Gohan tells Goku that he understand why he should always be training and getting stronger incase another threat appears, this conflicts with nerdy Gohan in the end of Z were he hasn't trained and only has his 3 transformations. And that goes for Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo. I say Goten and Trunks because there is a chance that they will be trained by there fathers and gain super Saiyan god or at least get way stronger (at least thats what it seems to be leaning toward in the manga I could be wrong they might be pushed to side again) and Piccolo for obvious reasons. But back on the topic of Z, I think some changes are going to have to happen for things to go smoothly.
Personal take here, I dont like that Goku mad the desicion of training Uub to be his successor so abruptly, I would much rather they give Goku a better reason to train Uub like, train uub so he doesn't go evil again and through the training Goku then decides that Uub is worthy of being his successor that feels a lot better narrative wise to me.
Yeah the ending was kinda a “stick a fork in it” ending At The Time, but in retrospect him just running away with some kid who he assumed to be the strongest in the Universe while not knowing all the enemies that would eventually come later like everyone from either timeline branch off from the main ending of Z. Overall I really appreciate the filling they gave us in super too explain things in the end if Z like pans absurd strength, and how she also wants to Learn how too fly, and fight. All of these things are great ways too lay the pavement for the End arc of Z too be made in Super, cause I don’t think Uub will be as important as he was initially after fighting so many people him finding out about Uub during the Moro arc was like “oh? Neat I’ll have to go check him out later” where Goku is heavily motivated right now.
To be fair even in the dlc vegeta says for them to have a real battle they would need an entire planet.
So its likely they held back massively as to not destroy earth imo ofc.
they went all out, they just controlled the amount of excess energy from their battle enough to keep the earth in tact.
@@ZeroYami right so even if this takes place after super they aren't going 100% as I said as they have transformations beyond that.
So what are you saying?
@cbts909 Probably saying that they went all out maybe only in base so they wouldn't "risk" destroying the Earth. Even though at that point even their base could easily destroy the Earth.
@@haditahir9608 thats completely reasonable and they likely did and vegetas statement supports that. But they def had to hold back regardless.
That’s not canon.
Yeah, yeaj the original Daizenchu by the OG fana are the ones that would mainly know that everything to the end of the Buu saga or at buu's saga is what's mainly canon and then stops there... Yes that is true, fair, and I believe it but what if that all changes or did get changed? I mean DBS finding a way complicatedly working it's way into Z to mesh with the old into the new... It's all weird but how would that be 👀👁️👁️ finding out mind boggling enough would probably be the most scariest thing ever for a Dragon Ball fan that can read and for those that cannot read... Maybe.
I’ve begun to view Dragon Ball as a bunch of different timelines. Like GT is the universe where Beerus stays asleep or doesn’t have a SSJG dream.
If we ignore the 5 years like from Bulma could the timeline still be saved?
I don't believe uub was the only challenge for goku as it could be more to the fact that goku promised to fight buu once he got reincarnated and they finally met. So it's more on the lines of keeping a promise
Agreed
Just inspires me
Your voice sounds like you're making up lore with confidence
My question is. what is the context of this new DLC as it stands within the package. are you still able to visit characters like beerus and whis or does it set up a total conversion to classic DBZ setting ? These factors are key and important. the point about battle of gods and return of f being Z movies and not Super movies is astute and important. There’s a chance that it is one continuity but we haven’t seen the end of the new characters involvement . With GT being non canon they have the most leeway with something like the end of Z . if they choose to retell GT next they stand to build it better
I feel like Uub final potential could be stated to be far surpassing super events after full training and that wouldnt require any retcon. As i dont remember them ever saying what Uub's final potential ever was, we just knew he was at least capable of kid buu levels of power.
It's so funny "winning" means everything to Vegeta but Goku is like "whatever bro".
Watch Whis and Beerus say something like, “well someone has to stay behind and make sure Broly doesn’t wreck my planet.”
Do I have to wait until past End of Z for Goten and Trunks to have some character development? Because they were still goofballs in End of Z, just less confident ones.
I feel like they might reboot the eoz and make it a whole arc on its own
Rip Toriyama
I think Goku is just more likely to be interested in Uub's potential rather than his power itself. I mean he's way too strong for Earthling standards and even if he has the same power level of Cell, he can still catch Goku's attention. That is why Goku like to train him and maybe he can surpass Moro, Broly and Jiren just through training just like how strong Frieza and Android 17 got just by training.
Now, Goku being interested in fighting Uub is not a problem - it DOESN'T mean Uub is more challenging than Vegeta - clearly that's not the case as logically a Vegeta from 10 years in the future of the buu saga even BEFORE Super was around could, if he wanted to, fly down into that arena and vaporize Uub on the spot - it would be extremely easy for him. Rather, Goku RECOGNIZES that his time as a FIGHTER is drawing to a close. By this point, at the end of Z, Goku is a grandfather, and even though he as a saiyan will stay young for another 20 or 30 years before he starts aging, he has become a true MASTER at this point - learning most of what he could learn from actual gods and rising to the level of godhood. He is looking to the next stage in life, which is passing it on to the next generation - a true prodigy, a born talent - and Uub is that even IF he could kill Uub with a finger right now. Looking at how fast Frieza gained power, a monster like Buu / Uub might well quickly close such massive power gaps in a couple decades of training - which is incidentally about what Goku has left before his body starts aging.
So that's ONE answer to that issue. It's not that Uub is strong. He's nothing to them now. It's that he has enormous growth potential as the reincarnation of a magical being like that who is very, very YOUNG. Goku sees himself in Uub, and he also loves nothing more than to make bad people into good allies - training Uub is doing that with Kid buu, in a way. Just like he did with Vegeta, Tien, and Piccolo. Vegeta is MUCH more of a challenge than Uub - but that's not the POINT. Vegeta is 5 years older than Goku and both of them know they won't live forever. Oh, they COULD - they could both easily wish for immortality - but the fact they never DID says something. They don't WANT to. Think about it from Goku's perspective. To him, fighting strong opponents and surpassing his limits is EVERYTHING. But he has a unique problem: both him and Vegeta are slowly becoming too STRONG to find many more truly challenging opponents. Once they surpass Beerus...then what? Whis? That would come eventually too - given their pace of progress, within 10 years, maybe. They'd eventually surpass all but Zeno by the time their bodies age too much to fight anymore. That's ACTUALLY their fate, and it's kind of sad because once they're that strong...there's nobody above them. Nothing. Just the almighty and nothing more under that. By 10, 20 years from now they'll have left the likes of Beerus and Whis and the Grand Priest far in the dust, and they're not even close to 100 yet while those beings are hundreds of millions of years old or more. IMAGINE how strong they'd get if they made a wish to stay young for, say, 1,000 years. Who would challenge them, if they got THIS strong in only 40 odd years of life?
THAT's the POINT. Goku knows he's running out of people to surpass or who will challenge him. Within 20 years, his fate is one that is standing above all others except for Vegeta and maybe Broly or Gohan, and just jostling for top position among that small group until they die. That's a fate worse than death to Goku. He'd RATHER age and die and pass ON that fire to the next generation. THAT'S why Uub is so interesting to him - and it has nothing to do with Vegeta not being "enough of a challenge" - the two are pretty much dead even at this point. It's about the future, and what comes next after Goku surpasses even the angels, which he WILL eventually, inevitably do. He's passing the torch.
The SECOND way of handling it is dumber: just somehow have them stripped of all god ki by zeno or something and they're dropped down to mere mortal levels again. But that would not impact Gohan or Broly, who are that strong WITHOUT god ki, so the first way - passing the torch as the motive - makes FAR more sense.
All you need is one line from Goku saying that much - that after only being alive a handful of decades, they have surpassed the gods themselves and will eventually surpass even the highest angels, and that's boring - so he wants to pass the torch on to a worthy member of the next generation, which is Uub. Gohan, Goten, sure, but Uub is much younger even than them - more time to grow and be shaped by Goku's teaching. I like to think Vegeta, too, found his own student to pass the torch to in Cabba, since Trunks doesn't appear particularly interested in getting truly powerful. Broly has enormous potential but he's THEIR age.
It has to be passing the torch.
It’d be cool (and a dream of mine) to years from now, after the dust has settled on Super and any other continuations, to readapt the franchise in animation. Start from Dragon Ball with total context (you can do little things like include RR army details from Z in the DB story, have Gevo appear and die in a cameo, etc) and perhaps most interestingly, find ways to incorporate the best of Super, GT and the movies into a cohesive narrative. Merging some of the more galactic things into the GT timeline perhaps to fit better thematically and with its setting.
I believe Super actually makes the Uub situation make even /more/ sense. Think about it. Look at Resurrection F as an example. Freeza who never trained... trained. Grew from the level of SSJ Goku on Namek to... Super Saiyan Blue level. Now we have the reincarnation of Kid Buu. Buu being a demonic entity, he never trained. But his human reincarnation? Yeah he can definitely train. And if Freeza grew that much... imagine someone like Uub who is Buu's reincarnation. His potential must be through the roof. I think it makes even more sense this way for Goku to be excited.
Also, I wouldn't call them two continuities in my opinion. This DLC did not include Super, you're right. But don't forget: Bandai Namco is not Akira Toriyama, is not Toei, is not Shueisha. They don't have any clue or idea on what Toriyama has in store for how they're going to tie up the loose ends of Super into EoZ. They have 0 idea on what the plan is. So... yeah. That's why they opted to ignore it. Simple as that.
I think a big thing people miss is Uub is human with the power level of kid buu. No trasformations no nothin.
Im pretty sure goku trains uub to replace him like he tried too do with gohan
Yall need to leave that end of z thing alone. They obviously going to change the events at the end. Who wants to see the same thing we already saw?
@@BaithNanah they can change it. It doesn't matter if it was here
@BaithNa it's changed bro. Hate to tell you.
@@BaithNa doesn't matter they can change it
You sound like someone who loves the new Marvel movies
@@BaithNa that's not how canon works. Retcons are a thing. Akira Toriyama decides what's canon, not you.
I mean, kid Buu didn't have any apparent training yet was stronger than all past villains. They could just reuse the justification for gold freezer in resurrection F.
Beerus and Whis not being present is fine. They don't visit earth for everything.
Uub was not the strongest at the End of Z. He had the greatest POTENTIAL at the end of Z, which is why Goku decided to test and train him. His power would only grow from there.
Goku didn't need to transform at the end of Z. Presumably he mastered the technique of Ultra Instinct, but we'll see about that. He was only testing Uub, and saw no need to transform. (This is further proof Uub was not the strongest yet, reinforcing my previous point).
I think due to the years and the respark in god ki, uub will be reinvigorated with powers unheard due to both buu and grand kai
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I think it’s already explained. Anyone born with an extremely high power level naturally has greater potential like gohan and broly. Uub will be naturally the most powerful born mortal, meaning his potential will be off the charts.
They can always use the multiverse and time line shenanigans as a cop out to do something completely new and maintain the original ending as canon too. Since Super started, I personally always figured they would build towards a reimagining of Z's ending: use the episode as a rough guide line to build on with the added information, characters, and plot. The original will always be there to enjoy, so I'd like to see how it can be redone and recontextualized with Super.
Its good that they appeared at the end of buu no retcon needed
They could maybe go about it in a way that Goku is excited about the Buu reincarnation because he has fought everyone else again or atleast knew about them. Like Vegeta, Black Freiza, Cell Max even though he didn't fight him, and now Buu in Uub form. Some Uub has a good spirt now, Goku will want to take him under his wing
well oob has huge scary amount of god ki. even freak out vegeta lol. basically old fat gran kais leftovers from after moro got sealed... the firs time. that kai was massively OP. he put away a UI level villan way back then.
thats pretty epic. fat kai could have one shot buu if he wasnt already half tapped out from moro.
now its passed onto oob since he is a pure soul. like goku so he can tap into that huge reserve now. with
goku help and training. its hype!!
I never cared about the End of Z. Always considered it part of GT (even if it's not). At this point, 2 things might happen:
1) Retcon End of Z
2) Everyone gets their memory erased, their God Ki and insanely powerful forms and techniques taken away. Beerus goes to sleep. Nothing happened.
Super is an alternate timeline anyways so there's no problem if they want to remake the end of the Majin Boo Saga. They already remade Pan anyways🤓
That Budokai 3 music 🤌🏻
Love Budokai 3
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My theory, given that there are so many inconsistencies now with Super and end of Z, is that there is going to be some sort of divergence. They've already introduced multiverse and alternate timelines, there's no reason to imagine that they can't have something happen that splits the timeline again like it did with Trunks' future. That's the only way it makes any sense, the end of Z stays in it's timeline and Super continues into it's alternate timeline.
I dont really see that anything is inconsistent except Bulma saying she hasnt seen Goku in 5 years. I say leave EOZ as it was and move on to Daima after the final arc of DBS. The franchise is in desperate need to go in new directions at this point.
yes !! leave eoz where it is don't touch it
At 10:25 I think vegeta is just talking about being stronger than him because Goku always ends up stronger than him and he wants to be stronger even tho he won every fight against him he doesn’t want to be surpassed by him since he is supposed to be a low class warrior and vegeta is the prince of all saiyans so it’s just the lore tbh
Really the only inconsistency in my mind is Bulma saying they haven't seen each other in 4 years.
Well Ubb would still be Goku's goal even more now when the Great Kai told Ubb to help Goku and Vegeta against Moro and unlocked his God Powers within Ubb.
So why wouldn't he become even stronger? Especially! When Krillin, Dende, and Gohan all had their potential unlocked, especially Piccolo now all got stronger, so in theory Ubb should have received the same boost... If not greater seeing as it was the Great Kai to have done it.
I'm perfectly fine with them retconning the end of Z. It's not that big a deal.
End of Z will be most definitely remade
Wild.
before the tournament of power Goku did hint at the existence of Uub, but Uub still beign a baby, would make fighting in the tournament a little dificult
I highly doubt they have any intention to uphold a statement from years ago.
Its Toriyama/Shueisha/Toei/Toyptarou we are talking about here. The TSTT have never upholded their claims so far, so why should they start on that now?
I couldn't care less. I'm just thankful for the good times along the way.
8:37 Has every character who is in some way had an impact of the series except for Lunch. She was there since the OG.
I always thought he just had tons of potential I mean kid buu never trained he's a lot like freeza in that regard I always thought that because the whole fight against him Goku is just training him a little and uub managed to get as strong as kid buu at least that's what I thought and imagine kid buu being a starting stat I can see why Goku would be excited
goku didnt forget his wish and a promise
I’ve just decided to treat super like GT an alternate what If rather than a canon continuation.
I think it can tie up
I think it’s important to remember that buu never trained unlike uub who probably has trained considering he knows how to fight. We know how strong freaza got from a couple months. Imagine a buu who trained and got stronger thats why goku wanted him back as a good guy, so they could train together
A few things will need to be addressed before the end of Super, and I wonder how they’re going to do it.
The issue of the gods and power scaling that comes with them needs to be resolved.
It’s shown already that Beerus isn’t really a good guy, and is hiding the secret of the Saiyan destruction. Super’s overall plot seems to be leading to the notion that the gods shouldn’t be involved in the running of creation, and that self preservation should be left to the beings of the universe. There’s good reasons put forth that the gods aren’t actually all that great. Beerus’ entire character and motivations being at odds with everyone else, Zeno’s childish demeanour vs the incredible power and lack of restraint that he holds, and there being mortals that exist that are clearly shown to rival, if not closely rival, those of the existing gods (Jiren, Broly, Gogeta, etc).
Who’s and the angels mission seems to be to being enlightenment to mortals. Whis has a few “knowing smile” moments when watching mortals, and is only subservient to Beerus as his current duty as an angel, but it clearly hiding a greater purpose.
The tournament of power was a test, that already confirmed that mortals do have what it takes to look after each other, and maintain their own balance.
So is god ki going to be removed somehow, (e.g. death of gods, wish from the Super Dragon Balls)?
Or are they still not sure what they want to do? I think personally that having Goku and Vegeta become Angel and destruction god isn’t a good idea both narratively nor concept-wise, and I hope they don’t follow the manga.
We have like 3 versions of Battle of Gods, I don`t understand why we can`t have multiple versions of the end of Z
We have different versions of Super. When it comes to the original manga, we can't have different versions of that.
Personally me I think the easiest way to blend it is just use god ki, didn’t kid buu absorb the grand Kai ki? Maybe it’s uubs god potential
What if kid buu was a candidate for God of Destruction, and since he's no longer alive, Beerus seek Uub instead
Im confused, what exactly is the confusion here? Im pretty sure theyve made it perfectly clear that they wont be going in the direction of the canon in super, whatever your opinion on that is thats fine but personally I couldnt be happier with what theyve done in terms of the direction theyve taken the story, itll be very cool to see where kakarot goes from here, theres a new kid goku series coming out, I imagine there will likely be a DLC for that coming soon. I doubt they will pursue GT too deeply, maybe a summarised dlc that takes place in non canon
We're looking at a retcon in the making.
I'm not against this, I really like Beerus, Whis and DBS Broly as characters, and how they're chilling with the other saiyans on Beerus's planet.
Honestly if the story was neong written as a story and not a forever franchise I think there could be a way to tie it up, but I don’t think any of the new stuff is ever going away
the end of Z can easily tie the story in. Goten and Trunks being not strong enough could be reason enough to have them enter in the Budokai tournament, Pan training for it. Scholar Gohan now can still be strong and focus on studying at this time. Vegeta training check, Broly could be still training with whis and beerus while goku searches for uub. Uubs powers show its more than enough and the divine god kis goodness dampened kid buus power? he wasnt accustomed to use it yet. All adds up.
Gohan didn't even enter the Tournament, that's the problem.
@@jasonone8726 that can still be ok for him not to this time around as well. It literally can still play out as goku still uses SS transformations even in super. He will do the same against uub. Then probably bring him to beerus planet and fight with his full power
There is a big gap in the Dragon Ball timeline. Because in the Broly movie, the flashback happened 41 years ago, two years before Goku was born, meaning that his age in the movie is 39. And in the Granola arc in the flashback, we go back 40 years, where we see that Goku is...
Goku is 3 years old, according to the statement of Jin, Goku's mother. I hope you talk about the matter and make us understand what is the reason for this gap, or is it just another forgetfulness from Toriyama as usual?
Does anyone else think that to beat Dat Black Frieza its gonna take the fusion between Gohan and Broly and then Goku and Vegeta. In essence the inverse of a Saiyan god through ritual/personal effort?
Goku base by the EoZ is so strong he could one TUI Granola arc levels. Crazy.
ya but what about his MUI level. is he finally at the angels level or ...
not even close. if he is then it means goku journey is over at that point.
cuz nothing is meant to be beyond angel level/GP right??!
End of Z Goku is called the strongest meaning in base hes above end of z beast gohan . By that point. I think he is high god of destruction level@@ssppeeaarr