Can you beat the Warcraft 3: Scourge Campaign without losing a unit?
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- It just keeps getting more and more difficult.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Skit
0:11 - Intro
0:27 - King Arthas
4:51 - The Flight from Lordaeron
6:12 - The Dark Lady
9:52 - The Return to Northrend
11:31 - Dreadlord's Fall
14:11 - A New Power in Lordaeron
17:27 - Into the Forgotten One's Ascent to the Upper Kingdom
19:11 - A Song of Ice and Fire 
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You are really had enough strength? after "all in" another uploaded video:D
What challenge next? Oh wait nova covert ops deathless
@@imnotreallygoodatanything6084 he did nova deathless,look at archive channel
The twitch trolls grant series is really fun to watch
GGG i really apprecciate how you bought the Ice monster shards just to trick us into thinking you were gonna use them to beat the final level, Well done
"The Scourge campaign has a unique mechanic--" And, Pavlovian, my brain fills in: "There are eight maps scattered around Azeroth. Each is guarded by a progressively stronger force of enemies."
xD hahaha
There are three G's in GiantGrantGames. Each is guarded by a progressively stronger force of letters, that get stronger every time a G is destroyed
lol same :D
it's unique, not super unique
campaigns from more than a decade ago designed by their own are less "super unique" than LotV, great job Blizzard.
It's poetic that the run ends with a trick only possible in Reforged. They threw you a bone there
in earlier missions he already made good use of consumable stacking.
@@anonvideo738 yes, and?
@@anonvideo738 he is talking about the fps slider
@@Bruh234 the main comment is talking about the trick possible only in reforged, and this guy pointed out that it's not the first one
@@anonvideo738 The main comment is calling it poetic because this whole series has been shaped by the jank of reforged, so it's fitting that the ending would only be possible in it.
shoutout to the someone in the chat shilling for Big Siege Engine
BIG SIEGE
For you guys not in stream... we tried very hard yo convice hım to use siege engine,it wasnt my idea btw i ve just supported very hard ^^
I think what he said was like "Why do you guys keep suggesting siege engines? they're not even good" and when it started working "I'm so mad that this is working". and now we have a 'honk' emote on twitch
@@kamikazegargoyle that is True:D
@@kamikazegargoyle is the vod still up on twitch?
I love that the solution to “really hard frame perfect trick” is “less frames.”
Grant: "I need to beat some incredibly difficult missions in an RTS game"
The viewer: "I wonder how he is going to defend against the attacj waves..."
Grant: "Base trade it is"/skips aquiring the base in the first place
Base? What base? He doesn't need a base!
based
i found out the base trick in return the very first time. it was a bit of a slog cause i didnt know that you could just beat the second part with sapphiron, but i was just happy i found an exploit on my own.
Imagine lore of whole Scourge's unholy crusade being over at the beginning because 20 human peasants escaped
And then Arthas breaks the 4th wall xD.
"My King, it's all over"
"What? Why?"
"20 guys escaped, we can't obviously chase them"
"What the fuck"
They said they cant find people in the mountains. And it's more than 20 peasants. They can't give you 100 peasants per wave for the sake of your computer at the time.
@@PRubin-rh4srAn interplanetary forces with flying units struggling to find non-stealthy units in mountains
The Forgotten One was supposed to cast Flamestrike, Firebolt, and Charm. Reforged is such a shitshow.
EDIT: He also had Spawn Tentacle. I forgot about that one
Interesting. I wonder would Charm then count as an automatic reset or would he allow it since I dont think there is a good counter against it.
@@franelabus9182 There actually is. There are runes of spell shield spread around the arena. I think they can counteract charm because the boss has a unit variant (like the one Queen of Suffering has), not the one Sylvanas has. But I'm not sure. I might be totally wrong.
@@franelabus9182 wait he cast charm in the original ? I remember flamestrike & firebolt, but not charm
@@Samissa806 he indeed used charm
@@seeinred well I guess I was lucky then /shrug. Thank 👍
personally i would have voted "Yes" on allowing posession. Your Banshee doesn't go away, she just becomes the posessed unit. more like changing clothes then anything else.
Yeah the banshee is still alive, err undead, inside the target
Same. I find it weird that an "overwhelming" amount of people denied it.
I would have understood if it was a timed thing. But the possession is permanent...
Seems less broken than using charm for literal free units
@@peffiSC2source I can see your point, but I would want grant to use possesion because the banshee is not playable in the other mission. and this run felt kinda the same as others but i guess repetitive is rule's middle name
And fighing banshee possesion in deathless run is way more awesome and infutriating
Eh , depends , it changes the unit limit count , disappears itself , cannot be taken back and is gaining completely different stats and abilities. It's more of a "unfair exchange" , so I would say that it's very well a death of a banshee , though I'd say only from a technical standpoint , not from any other ones .
"Theres no way im fighting the Naga, ever again." hooboy after hearing how you had to get through the Sentinals campaign i dont blame him on that
He's suffering from post-naga-suffering-depression
It looks like undead are permanent underdogs. They are always weaker then opponent. First human campaign - is easy and you were helping them all along. Second campaign. Siege of Rivendale: elves have those rider that are vastly superior to anything in undead army. Next: fell orcs. They are insanely powerfull, compared to undead foces, have chaos damage, insane spells, and red dragons. And so on. Naga, demons, cool human heroes of level 15 from bonus campaign - everything makes scourge look like joke. I can think of only 2 factions that look as weak: satires and drenei.
Royal guards Bs unit.
@@smatt5153 Couatle is the most unbalanced unit in whole game
@@VK-sz4it fair, they are stupid af. But there's nothing like royal guards perma stunning.
Varimathras: "Sylvanas has greater strength than you know, brother. She locked me in a box."
Kel'Thuzad in the first mission:
"My king, may I receive some of those abominations of yours for the deathless run?"
Arthas: "Here, have a ghoul!"
The fact that the final mission can be completed in that manner is hilarious and extremely frustrating at the same time.
The most reforged thing Imo
I love that intro, I was half expecting Grant to say "Umm, well, Cinematic deaths don't count! Right Arthas?"
I love how you find so many strats that basically boil down to 101 ways to make the ai do dumb things or not trigger at all. It's fascinating watching these.
I’m a bit sad that the Warcraft deathless ends here, even though reforged is such a broken mess. Though I’m still full of hope on what else you’ll do in the future. It’s great that in these times where no one really cares about RTS games that you make such incredibly fun to watch content!
Yeah, seeing him doing custom campaigns deathless would have been amazing, especially because believe it or not, the difficulty ramps up even more than in the regular campaigns (try Curse of the Forsaken on hard or the second books of Legends of Arkain, they're quite something).
I personally asked him about this in his Discord server, and he said that he thinks custom content could be fun, but it leads to less engagement due to its lower popularity, meaning that his videos get less views and the algorithm really screws with his channel.
I just hope that he at least considers doing it on Twitch while uploading both failed and successful runs on the Archives channel. But another challenge on the base campaigns would make me quite happy too.
Well theres still the original Starcraft anf Brood war deathless he could do
@@NinjaAO42 I think that would legitimately be next to impossible but it would be interesting to see how much he could limit it.
@@cosmicbard6998 "second arkain books" 0_0 calm down satan geez...
Why wont he play bonus campaign? It will be more challenging that you might think. He starts with level one Misha so he has to Keep her. Also if heroes dies, respawn or not it is still a death. Some quests like Seal the tunnels might actually be impossible.
When you expect an extremely difficult last mission and it ends with that
Yah kinda like the last Orc mission in Reign of Chaos, he found a way to cheese what would have been an incredibly difficult mission, in the last Undead mission’s case, I’d say maybe even near impossible to do normally deathless
@@bobbyferg9173 I would say completely impossible.
@@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126 If I ever get some significant free time I might have to give this a try. Although the 500 damage trigger might just ruin my day. But I thought there was a way of doing it where you take the oblisks at the 3:00 and 9:00 position, build your necropolises there and a fuck ton of towers and defend and build up, then beat Illidan when he tries to take it, and eventually you've got enough stuff that you just grind out the 12:00 base slowly, pulling units back as need be... But saying it is one thing, pulling it off is another matter entirely. Still, I might need to give it a shot.
@@Norrieification Well it's really hard cause the AI cheats their ass off, they have infinite money and 3 bases constantly maxed out pumping forces is hard to stop even when losing units
yeah I was kind of dissapointed... I am not able to beat the mission on hard WITH Units dying so I though how does he do it... CHEESE :/
The objective of beating Warcraft 3 without losing an unit is super unique. There are eight campaigns, each guarded by a progressively stronger force of enemies.
Actually, the orcs didn't get a Frozen Throne campaign for... some reason, so there's only seven.
Love the joke though.
@@bluestar2059 They have Founding of Durotar
@@PRubin-rh4sr ...considering that's a very "Diablo" style open adventure thing, is there even any units you can lose in that in order to have a deathless run?
I genuinely don't remember if you get anything besides your hero units, and I vaguely recall that you lose if any of them die.
@@bluestar2059well it was probably the hardest one if you stick to the rules where you need to save your allies if you can.
@@omarbarakaeden5608 Fair point. I wonder how far you could push the Founding of Durotar as a "save allies whenever possible" run.
It would be ridiculously difficult, no doubt, but I'd be curious to see someone at least do a "discussion" video on the idea of it. Not strictly attempt it, for obvious reasons, but just to highlight what challenges it would present.
Fun fact: the last Sylvanas mission was the last one he did on stream - he completed the final mission before that one, struggling like crazy with the last two Sylvanas missions (watched them on VoD).
Was looking forward to this movie and I was honestly not disappointed.
where do you watch the warcraft vods? I'm only seeing Starcraft 2 on his 2nd channel and twitch.
@@vienalicaway2585 I watched them on his Twitch but they were removed after a certain amount of time (I think Twitch only holds VoDs for 2 months and I watched them a couple of days after the stream).
@@Kainmaster That is so sad. i was months late on discovering his channel.
Yeah the Sylvanas missions without Banshee Possession are extreme.
I was struggling on normal difficulty without cheats.
i cant believe you can simply cheese the last Mission of WC3 in such a way. It took me almost 2 weeks to beat this as a kid... that mission is so brutal.. Well done Grant! This whole Deathless series was an absolute pleasure to watch!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo all this time, since the moment the series started I was thinking "But I *know* you can't beat WC3FT deathless, because the last mission is impossibly hard". I got trolled!
GET DUNKEDDDDDDDDDDDD
Haha exploit go brr
I had the same thought. This ending was extremely unsatisfying
I was ready to argue that the posses ability does not kill your unit but the one inside the host body, but man this rule made the video so much more entertaining. Nice job!
To explain the difficulty spike from The Frozen Throne compared to Reign of Chaos I'm going to use a Dunkey quote
"The game goes from tough but fair to tough but f*** you"
Well, at least it isn't as bad as Starcraft I [pain
Welp , let's hope he ain't doing c&c3 then ...
@@Sorta8 or Armies of Exigo, god damn the Fallen Campaign there would be a nightmare.
@@Sorta8 the Croatia mission?
Also, BFME deathless (for any of the games) sounds impossible for the evil side...
starcraft I is mega easy tho... apart from the base game's no build mission everything else is basically macro up while they send a small attack force
@@Lunaraia ooooooffff those words triggered some painfully addictive memories
Grant tanking KA, only to get thrown for a quick loop by two random-ass Necromancers got a chuckle from me.
Oh cool a new deathless run. Time to binge through the series again ... and again ... and again. Yes, these are quite comforting to run as a background insonation :D
Forgive me sire, but what does insonation mean?
Now I wonder what the bonus campaign would be like deathless? Since you can't use quillboars you will be losing out on a lot of DPS, and managing Misha's HP would also be pretty rough, but then again the bonus campaign was basically WOW in W3 engine so maybe it isn't that far off?
I don't think that it's actually possible - an early mandatory mission requires you to use Goblin Sappers... who are suicide units.
@@willbrolley262 Oh. But other than those?
It would be very easy, actually.
The campaign frankly isn't worth doing.
@@brunocosta4402 The Flight from Theramore and the Naga Attack is pretty difficult to do even on Normal, so it would be worth it to try.
@@brunocosta4402 Yeah, but Founding of Durotar is maxium comfy.
Kinda interesting how sylvanas's missions felt like the final boss while the other arthas stuff seems like some really extra content
that's because by the end of campaigh, you'll probably not do wacky sheesy stuff and will just buildbuildbuild an army to wipe out Illidan from the face of the world
while Sylvanas's missions are midgame to end-midgame
so you will still have some creativity left in your brain
Funnily enough, they were actually the final boss of the run- since the Sylvannas and Arthas portions of the campaign don't actually affect each other after the split, Grant did the last Arthas missions first, then went back to finish the three Sylvannas missions.
@@The-jy3yq I am doing the classic warcraft 3 campaign and I'm at the last campaign now and that mission scares me. I remember playing the campaign on normal years ago and I had the problem where hard was too hard and normal was too easy, so I had to settle for normal and breeze through the campaign. until symphony of frost and flame. that mission was horrifying on normal. Now I'm playing the campaign on hard because I no longer suck as much at RTS games and I'm fully expecting that mission to break me.
Now that you've finished SC2 and WC3 deathless I'd love to see a video of which maps you thought were the hardest.
He will do a tier list of the deathless runs. I’m sure he’ll mention his favorite missions of each run. Idk if he’ll make it a main video tho
Hell yeah. I was waiting for this.
The Furbold rampage was still the best finish ever. Thanks for the videos, i had a lot of fun.
I loved every second of this series with Starcraft and Warcraft ngl
The AI : *"Hey the player doesn't have base. We won!"*
GGG : *"There is another!"*
Amazing how Reforged actually has something fixed for once xD
Illidan : *"You think you can just channel the obelisk in front of me and walk away?"*
Arthas : *_"Yeah"_* **teleports away*
Arthas: yes now later bitch *teleports to home base*
Illidan: I'm putting the word out. Five hundred grand for this clown dead; a million alive, so I can teach him some manners first.
The only mandatory deaths in the upcoming bonus campaign would be the 4 sappers.
'The Scourge Campaign is without a doubt the hardest Deathless run I have ever done'
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It took him 15 hours for the Sylvanas missions.
@@Costin_Gaming he meant that he is literally controlling the dead but despite it those were the hardest "deathless" missions
I kept commenting on videos before that, that I couldn't wait for King Arthas and there it is.
Not only you announce you're not going to use Possess but you also blitzed it and made it look easy this is incredible Grant good job.
RIP Garithos
A true hero of humanity o7
We humans must stick together!
@@hackedaccountlol6203 These inhuman dogs must be slain.
@@user-rk5zy4mk2g I hate working with these… people.
ruclips.net/video/O1CQ7Vwz8Eo/видео.html
Different genre but the same logic still applies
don't worry. he lives on in my Garithos/Kael'thas/Sylvanas fanfiction.
These were one of my favorite series on youtube, thank you!
This was an incredible journey and a ton of fun to watch
He did it, he effing did it! Man, what a ride, kudos for the hard work and dedication, such a pleasure to watch these series of deathless runs!
I wonder if you played Relic's RTS like Dawn of War or Company of Heroes? I'd like to see deathless run of it!
Hmm. Dawn of War might actually be a possible one. Sounds like a good idea... Pretty please?!?
the question would be do individual unit menmbers count? or just if the entire unit is destroyed?
but yeah seeing GGG play DoW would be interesting ^^
Dawn of War has very inaccurate and unresponsive controls though. It's a great game, but not really good for micro control.
Won't work. Units are dying only when leader dies, those games don't care about separate soldiers. So there would be no way to track who died. Unless you fully abandon using infantry... which might work in case of CnC. For DoW, DoWII campaign might work too. CoH is too infantry focused so it won't work.
For Dawn of War 2 deathless, would be great
The bit at 19 about how Reforged fixes it, that actually makes it much much easier for a non-deathless run since you can just dab on illidans forces with a well setup Anub+ghoul rush>necro>frost progress.
Incredible. I think I've never seen an harder game challenge and you really did it.
Wow, I was just thinking about this series last night. And now it's here. What a coincidence.
This has been one of the most amazing playthroughs on youtube of any game, so many clever tactics and incredible feats to barely scrape by. Thank you so much for making these Grant
I was 100% convinced this would be impossible. Well played, Grant. Well played.
Loving the Deathless. This is the most impressive one yet. What weirded me out was that the banshee could not be used. Taking possession does not count as a lose for me. If anything, it is an exchange in technical terms.
While you do make a understanding statement, the description of the ability says other wise.
"She then displaces the soul of the enemy, giving you permanent control of it, but destroying the caster's body. "
I dont know about you but "Destroying the casters body" does not sound deathless to me lol.
@@GamingBlueNOOB Agree to disagree.
@@mrravinraven Yeah, thats the best way to say that tbh.
@@GamingBlueNOOB If you want to go much further, banshees already died once. Thats why they are banshees.
I am sad at the end of this, But thank you for taking us on this journey!
Awesome editing and a splendid job explaining! Thank you for taking the time :)
I have been looking forward to this since you posted the first human deathless campaign. That final mission still gives me nightmares just from my casual playthrough as a kid
very impressivce stuff. love the creative ways you find to break games in these challenge runs.
Well done! I don’t usually comment on YT but you have done a sensational job! Really enjoyed watching all your war 3 deathless videos and thank you for bringing all my nostalgic memories ❤️
I went through hell doing the last mission legit when I was a kid, and here you are, speed running it. lol
Another great entry to a fantastic series. Bravo.
Been looking forward to this one in particular, especially after catching the last missions strategy live!
All the missions had amazing strategies
Does Reforge still have the shade abuse trick?
That's where when Illidan is channeling, you can box him in with Shades and tell them to hold ground; they won't move, and Illidan can't force them out of his way. Since the Naga's once weakness is they don't have detection, you can literally hold Illidan in place with about 6-8 Shades, and do what you need to do and not worry about him.
WHITE TEXT COMPILATION (because I enjoy watching videos podcast style, which means I miss out on a lot of the funny flavour text):
King Arthas
1:51
Villager: Run! (while sprinting past banshees trying desperately to autoattack them to death)
Villager: Freedom!
3:54
Arthas: Hi Sylvanas (after walking up to her while she is fighting enemies).
Arthas: Bye Sylvanas (as he immediately leaves).
The Flight from Lordaeron
5:09
Necromancer: I cast (attempts to raise dead)
Arthas: No.
Necromancer: I cast (tries again)
Arthas: No.
Necromancer: I cast (tries again again)
Arthas: No.
Dreadlord's Fall
12:03
Garithos: Halt, Demo- (while chasing Varimathras into a corner, only to be put to sleep and left behind in it).
A New Power in Lordaeron
16:09
Mortar Team: Bring it, Demon! (taunting Balnazzar)
Mortar Team: Ouch (is immediately targeted by finger of death)
Mortar Team: Nope nope nope (flees as Balnazzar closes the distance between them)
A Song of Ice and Fire
22:04
Arthas: Hey
Anub'arak: Yeah?
Arthas: Who even are you? (Grant has not introduced, named, or even said a word about Anub'arak this entire video)
Anub'arak: .......
Mass siege engine... The scummyest, yet most funny tactic in WC3 pvps!
Glad you used it in this run xD
All this Warcraft nostalgia reminded me of that other RTS I loved to play as a kid.
Ever heard of Universe At War? Fun times. I'd honestly love to see you play that one.
I remember this campaign. It was the coolest in my opinion but the largest spike in difficulty I had ever encountered in my old Blizzard RTS experience. I am in awe at these runs.
what about the rpg orc campain it might be a free win but there are some moments where you are supposed to use units and you also have a lot of summons in this
Yeah, I was hoping he'd mention the Rexxar campaign. That last bit where you're assaulting Theramore would be challenging due to the saving allies rule.
You can farm tome in crazy amount and kill proudmoore in 3 hit
Goblin sappers.
Thanks for uploading grant , this has to be by far one of the hardest deathless Warcraft next to the blood elf campaign/sentinel
This series has been an amazing journey. I'm sad to see it end but in awe of your skill.
I never thought one could do this. I was certain that the undead campaign was impossible. Massive kudos to you for this!
I love these videos - they are ingenuitive, creative and your voice is so enjoyable to listen to
13:46 "Hell yea. Siege tanks!" - Arthas maybe
Man GiantGrantGames I can't tell you how much I appreciate your WC3 deathless runs! Absolutely phenomenal stuff! I know how difficult it was!
What a fantastic journey it has been. Thank you for making this series
Great series of WC3, Grant!
I am glad we made this day!
Thanks for the video!
Omg, i just finished all other videos in series in a random order, thinking that they was done years ago. And BAM! 16 minutes ago we got this gem.
Thank you good sir!
I never knew there was a dmg trigger on the final undead map
Most people probably didn't, since it wasn't working, lol
You can watch Abelhawk's Warcraft 3 Easter Egg videos.
I have noticed it while cheating ahead. And see what it happens.
Finally. Hope to see more Warcraft content on this channel.
Honestly, the fact that you managed to actually do all the campaigns deathless on hard is impressive as hell. You have my respect sir (the gameplay plus the editing must have taken a whole lot of time).
I know that you said on Discord that you're not planning to do this challenge on custom campaigns (cus the RUclips overlords would mess with you), but I'd still love to see you try them on Twitch at least, along with some other possible challenges like only footman/ghoul/grunt/archer or Twitch Trolls on Warcraft 3.
Either way, I'll stick around to see the new fun stuff you'll come up with (liked your Starcraft stuff too, even though I don't play that game). Would be nice if you'd make community posts about them, so we'll all get to see ^_^
9:44 this reminds me of what happens in dawn of war, the sisters of battle stronghold specifically
In the mission, the enemy periodically sends crusades, giant armies, to destroy your base
But only your starting base, if you make a new one anywhere else, they‘ll just stand there once they destroy all your buildings, and if you don‘t kill all the units from the crusade a new one will never spawn( i have no idea if the new one would find your new base or not as i just left them to vibe in the corner)
What a perfect timing, just cooked my lunch and then this upload :)
capping your own framerate is a mildly common speedrunning trick xD, that said, congrats on spotting it! that was clutch :P
That end, man, how does Blizzard keep doing it? They gotta know...right?
Wc3 was always cheesable, if people want to break the game thats up to them, still a sick mission if u play it normally, blizzard should make cool missions when played normally, not fix peoples exploits in a single player campaign
Well, that was really fast. Faster than I thought.
Thank you for the video. That was awesome.
"But instead I was left disappointed."
Sums up general feeling about Reforged.
Great series. I enjoyed all of them.
Well done, Grant! I only saw some of the VODs like the ones where you used the siege engines to defeat Detheroc.
I would be great to see the VODs of Warcraft 2 and 3 on your second channel one day.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
Grant, becoming more and more powerful every challenge.
This was a very enjoyable series!
Me: 2 AM and about to sleep
GGG: I'm about to end this man's sleep schedule.
im the opposite, i find grants voice relaxing and often accidentally fall asleep to his videos haha
Symphony of Frost and Flame LOL
I didn't know there was an ASOIAF reference in Warcraft 3.
love watching these
You absolute madman, you did it. My respect to you!
The giant has returned!
I've spent hours trying to beat the last mission on hard, both in the original and reforged. It's one thing being stuck as a kid, but another when you have 20 years of experience. And then you see this, where a deathless run is faster than a normal run. Bravo!
Thanks for the video. Happy to hear you didn't have to fight the Naga again.
No way a banshees possess counts as a death! Same soul inhabiting a new body. Well done none the less
Never seen that last mission done so easily, I remember having trouble just trying to keep two altars... with bases and defenses.
Your HD image of the sleep spell is the first time I realized that it's a closed eye, always though it was a bell.
The trick at the end was, to die for? No, but really, that was exceptional, well done!
It's been quite a journey boys, but it's complete!
In true fasion there will be another to rise until grant will rely on new games or bad remasters of old ones
You are a legend, congratulations!
Actually my favourite series on youutube damn
You are an amazing content creator ! Thank you for this video ^_^
Its been years since I played the campaign of both Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne but this is the first time I saw this Quest involving the Forgotten One
Great work!
"That it is in fact possible to beat Warcraft 3, and the Frozen Throne, on Hard, without losing a unit."
Four treants: a