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Bally's Cybernaut Pinball Was So Obsolete They Ran Out Of Chips!
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You should leave a note for Joe, it’s Fixed 😂
Yup, as others here have said, the light strip behind the tube on Xenon were originally just regular white bulbs.
But what I came here to say was that one of the things that I've always enjoyed about your videos is the highly detailed notes that Joe always leaves for you after he's inspected a machine. 🤣
I'm really not surprised that they swapped the CPU to the MC6802 - the original MC6800 reference design included an (expensive) hermetic metal clock oscillator unit (MC6871?) that generated the two clock phases that the MCU needed - the MC6802 included the clock circuits and just needed a single external xtal and also had 128 bytes of built-in scratchpad RAM in page 0. Since most MC6800 designs included both clock generator and a RAM chip to provide the zero page RAM switching to the MC6802 would reduce your BOM cost with zero effect on software compatibility. So many people changed over to the MC6802 that the original MC6800 quickly became a rather high cost and hard to obtain legacy part. In fact, this was one of the very first jobs I was given as an EE - replacing a MC6800/MC6871/MC6810 combination on a control board with a MC6802 + xtal.
Actually, the original lightbar on the tube were made up of small lamps, the kind with only legs.
They probably have a fancy name I don't know about. The blue LED's came later. I remember
first seeing blue LED's in an electronics catalog in 1990 and they cost something like $50 a piece.
Grain of wheat bulbs
Those old GOW bulbs were so prone to failure the LED replacement strips were probably one of the first LED mods created for pinball and the reason it's hard to find an old Xenon without it.
Yep, couldn't agree with you more heartily!@@artransitmemories9640
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They were probably over driven if they failed often.
That, or, they were left on for years, and failed from age.
Most of the ones I've seen in equipment lasted a decade or two. But they were probably running them at reduced voltage
I so like your KISS (Keep it simple stupid) way of troubleshooting. Great video Ronnie!
I truely enjoy your repair videos. Thanks for spreading knowledge and history.
Hey Ron!!
Love the Pole Position attract sound!!
I really like the little Pinball History segments - please keep them going.
I've been sick for a few days now.
Nothing serious only a cold with some sore throat and I feel weak and a bit dizzy.
I have a broken neglected old Gottlieb Circus that I've been working on recently to make it work and presentable again, but this damn cold is preventing me from continuing to work on it.
I've got bored laying in bed and I checked on youtube to see if there's any new video from my favourite pinrepair guy to make me feel a bit better and now here it is.
Thank you, Ron.
Keep up the good work, I love your videos.
Looks like a fun one! Hope you bring back A.R.T. Sundays, i really enjoy them.
I owned one some years ago, fully working, absolutely loved it! Mine had a different coindoor and front though.
Super cool game. His mind is going to be blown when you are done.
i adore you guys! i'm so glad i found your channel!
Nice that was a quick repair😎👍
shoot! You got me again! First with the squalk and talk. Now with the cheap squeak. I was sure it couldn't be real. 😂
Lovely looking backglass. Look forward to seeing the machine firing on all cylinders.
I can attest, the two shirts are great items! Thanks for going through the process on this one.
The space shuttle on the backglass of this pinball machine is named "Defender." That's a reference to the classic side-scrolling shooter videogame, "Defender," ALSO made by Bally Midway when they were still the same company. Midway, Williams, Bally...! It gets confusing because of the corporate reshuffling!
Anyway, I like their pinball machines better than their videogames.
Williams didn’t acquire Bally Midway until 1988, so it was more likely a shout-out.
That’s one dust encrusted, display entombed, 1985 genre, nasty @$$, la kooka-raucha, southern style!
Hey! Who remembers the … it’s Shake-n-Bake and I helped! Commercial? 😂
Looking forward to Part 2 of this table.
Great video Ronnie, Can not wait to see the finished video. Looks great and fun game. Yes, Xenon does have a led strip of lights next to the tube. See you on the next video, Ronnie
Nice rare machine Ron. I wonder if the emergence of new games like Pac-Man, Galaga, Ms Pac-Man, etc along with home games like Nintendo NES, etc caused a lot of the decline in the pinball scene of the 80's.
The emergence of the video game market indeed led to the demise of much of the pinball market. Ballys fortunes shrank dramatically as Midway captured most of the coinop market with Space Invaders, Galaxian, and especially Pac Man. Operators stopped buying pinball and filled their location with easier to maintain video games that earned much more money. Bally tried desperately to keep pinball alive. Midway eventually swallowed up the Bally pinball division and then started cheapening the games to make them an affordable alternative to the ever increase wave of vids.
It was the rise of arcade quality home arcade games like Nintendo that would do in video games. There was no reason to drop a quarter in a coin slot when you could play all you wanted at home on your NES. This led to a late 80 early 90s renaissance in pinball whch could not be cranked out for home use as easily as a home game CD.
I’ve not encountered this machine at all. It seems like it’s gonna be a pretty fun game….Regarding early 80s pinballs, they obviously were in a down period. …but then the 70s were such a hard act to follow. Consistency is almost impossible to achieve consistently. Pinball has risen from the ashes a few times over its history. …just wait for The Addams Family, and so many great games in the 90s.
Thanks for the vids. Always fun.
Love it. Thanks guys!
Awesome game. The trick to playing the game while holding the camera is to put the camera in your mouth. Keep up the great videos.
Never seen or played this one before,exciting x
Once again... Joe is spot on with his analysis.
He really is good at pointing out the problem.
😁
Wow! What a difference in the sound!
I'm sending my English teacher to your shop to fix your "broke" speech, She has her own multi-meters and soldering iron. 🤣. Another great video and s sweet pin.
Great video ron
What a beautiful table… but it’s Ducken Fusty!
Very cool game, never heard it or heard of it before. 1984 was one of those years where video was king, even if the crash had affected the industry to the extent that there were fewer new games (video *or* pin).
OK I WANT THAT PIN ! Cybernaught is super badass! No Speech but SUPER COOL!
I remember the Hardbody game. I used to play that one regularly. I never saw Spy Hunter as a pinball though.
That thing sounds just like my stomach after a spicey meal LOL!
@4:20... I would buy a "We unbroke it" T-shirt..... just say'in
I’ve never heard of this title. Dig the art though, really 80s sci fi.
Cheap Squeak was designed as an inexpensive alternative to Squawk and Talk with speech. You can thank Bally engineers Lance Chantry and Bob Kohan for the curtsy board names.
From what I can guess, the sounds were CPU generated, similar to the Williams sound boards used in System 4-11 and in their various video games.
Bally Midway would later produce similar boards to the Cheap Squeak, like the 6809-based Turbo Cheap Squeak (video game and pinball versions), and the 68000-based Cheap Squeak Deluxe/Sounds Good, as well as the pinball equivalent, dubbed the Sounds Deluxe.
Cool game. Is there a Babes of the backglass video? Should be!
Very cool🎉
Cool game. I have never seen this one before.
The Motorola 7802 is pin compatible to 6800. My Firepower uses it. It also has ram in the 6802.
Yea, those lamp sockets and light boards! The context of this comment is that those same components and lamps were used in auto dashboards in that same time period for years AND THEY SUCKED! 'Nuff said!
6802 were in TONS of industrial boards, cash registers and some traffic control.
Ron, I have been watching and enjoying all of you videos. I feel like you are teasing me with a beautiful (hopefully its a EM) but ignored pinball machine. That is normally to the right of a pinball machine that is being repaired. It has sailboats (I don't even like sailboats) on the side and I am hoping one day that fine machine will get some Ron love with a set of repair videos. (Rant time) Your fluke meter is too clean!! please get it dirty and grimy its hurting my eyes, it looks like a prop instead of a real meter LOL.
the bally 1971 Four Million B.C. already had a ramp made like this one
I saw the Gottlieb coil on the pop bumper and thought to myself, Did I work on this? I know it wasn't actually me because I've never replaced a pop bumper coil in a Cybernaut, but my philosiphy is the same. If it is a similar coil that will work just fine, I don't care which coil it actually is. Just make sure the diodes are correct (if there are any) and it will work just fine. I've done it many times.
Poor Shane. Dual Dracula’s.
The pinball market crashed in the early 80s (aswell as the arcade game market for a while) due to the advent of home systems like the Atari 2800, it really didn't bound back until the early 90s with machines like Adams Family and Creature from the Black lagoon with digital audio and dot matrix displays
Wait, Atari made a 2800?
Hi guys I have a question for you after watching some of your vids I decided to check the end of throw switches on my Williams firepower machine and to my surprise there is none is this normal or has someone removed them for some reason machine plays ok .looking forward to your reply thanks so much .ps I'm in Australia if that makes a difference. Thanks Stewart
I will never get tired of
"Its broke!"
-Joe
Is the back backglass reminding you of the Star Wars Leah pose?
Yeah, it´s like Luke & Leia on he original movie poster.
Can you not use cols out of telephone relays to replace the burned out relays 600R coils.
Any chance there was a video on that old wood-rail pinball next to this?
Coming soon!
… the sound setting probably resets to 0 when capacitor discharges
stencils are cooler but need to be done perfectly for better details, and silk screening looks better with less time and effort. Bad silk screening looks light years better than bad stencil work every day.
Dual Precision Mono-stable Multi-vibrator, that's a mouth full.
MULTI BALL !!!!
That's a cool term
It just sounds cool
Xenon is really awesome
I always wished someone would have made a pinball machine based on the movie
EVENT HORIZON
If you have never seen it, the cast is great and the acting is perfect and the science behind it is real and the visuals are cool
There are so many scenes that could be a part of a pinball machine
The Gravity Drive
The LifeBoat
The suits
The explosive charges
If you watch the movie and then go back and watch it a second time and think about the parts of the ship that could be a part in a game
Just an awesome movie
And to have a bunch of spinning rings with thr lights and you hit tue right drop targets and ramps and get the rings to lock and the gateway to open.
It would be so cool to have the spinning rings around the center and have the lights all come on. And they could have a display in tue backglasd with thr scene and the effect of the gateway and the sounds
So many cool sounds
The lightning storm in space
Check out this movie and tell me what you think about this movie being used to make a pinball machine
Blue leds were invented in 1989 and it wasn't till 1992 before they came up with bright blue leds.
Blue LEDs were the holy grail, nobody could work out the formulation to make blue. By then they had all the other colours settled, it wasn't until much later that blue and violet came along, of course leading to tri-colour RGB LEDs, and eventually white light. The 3 Japanese inventors were actually awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for it. The problem was nobody could come up with a way to grow gallium nitride crystals of high enough quality, or create p-junctions on it. Nowadays, intense blue LEDs are everywhere, and giving off laser-grade brightness where just a simple dim intensity would do.
I doubt the LED strip you mentioned was blue since blue LEDs weren't developed until 1988 and didn't really hit the market until 1992.
I remember playing this one when I was in my teens. The artwork had to be great because the table play was very average.
I think the industry having collapsed was likely tied in with the home computer and console scene. There was the video game market crash, and later, the home computer price wars.
The lights on the Xenon tubes were white.
The bug's broke.
Yodelayheehoo
What about a MC6809E CPU
NEAT game. I don't remember it, but hey...I don't remember a lot of things any more.
Question: Starting to see a LOT of pinball popping for sale (for LOTS of $$$) that LOOK to be Stern or Bally or Gotlieb, and have the names, but they might be 1 player games, or 2 player games only. These are the same titles that you're working on that are 4 player. The seller is always saying "RARE 1 Player" or "RARE 2 Player" game, and super inflated prices. Many comments on them saying "These are not rare, they were 'home version' games that sold for a lot less, and were very cheaply made. Any info? Would love some machines, but alas, SWMBO says NO. :(
That's a coil eating roach...There's your problem...LOL!
Linear are nice , except for the price of rebuild kit 75$ for 2 flipper, come on now people!!
What is an MPU exactly? I know what CPUs are but not MPUs, or the differences between the 6800, 6802 & 6803.
Hi,
use a search engine and get en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6800
MPU is Multi Processing Unit - a CPU and its peripherals on either one chip or (in this case) on one board.
Regards,
Runner
Could that strange creature remind you of the creature in the movie Alien.
Rare
It’s broke. 🤣🤣🤣
bed bug
I never really got why TAF was such a huge hit… I liked it but in the same way that I liked all pinball machines. I see it’s cited as being because of its great game play but I guess I just don’t see it; great game, but not THE game for me. Regards
L-Roach-O
"It's Broke" lol so thats why its in the workshop...
i don't think joe has ever been wrong. it's always broke.
Ron needs to retaliate. "It's mostly fixed".