Family of Parkland victim Helena Ramsay said the verdict sends the wrong message
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2022
- Family of Helena Ramsay said the verdict sends the message that you can kill people and get away with murder.
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Brought her daughter from the U.K for a better opportunity, and she was murdered in a class room. What a shame, im sad for all these families.
What does America have that’s better than England? Please do tell.
@@medi8057 I wanted to ask that myself. Maybe higher education? But UK also has great universities, so that seems unlikely. So maybe an opportunity for this specific person, that was better in USA than in UK, not a general thing.
@@Eltanin25 her mother stated that she brought her family here for better opportunities. so yes, specific to The Ramsay’s.
@@Eltanin25 UK is way better than America in every aspect. That’s why you don’t see their people moving here very often. 99.99999% of the time they come here because their career moved them here. But not for a better life. United Kingdom is not a third world country. And ignorant people should not assume that everyone in the world is running to America cause America is “so amazing”. We have the most problems in the world. The only thing that separates us from the third world countries is the fact that we have money and resources. We have the highest murder rates in the world, highest obesity rates, highest divorce rates, etc. we are literally the top of the charts for almost all the worst things. We don’t even have the freedom of speech which is our basic fundamental right nowadays.
@@medi8057 Oh, don't be so pesimistic, you are far from highest murder rates in the world (if you take it relative to some number of people, usually it's 100 000). You are much worse than UK, but still far from being the worst. You're even a bit better than Russia. 🙂
This woman is speaking truth. I am heartbroken by the event and this verdict.
You can see the intense anger on her face
The fact it even got this far and he wasn't killed by officers DURING his rampage, is sickening!
I’m not from Parkland, but I am a mother. I fear taking my child to school every single day. I pray, before leaving the parking lot. To hear the verdict today, it not only shocked me, but angered me. It made me feel nauseous. How can one juror have failed the victims, survivors and families, especially after viewing such horrific evidence! How could that one juror feel any sense of compassion for this sadistic monster, but not for the 17 beautiful lives taken! Not only did this prove our system doesn’t work, but made it very clear to all future shooters… there are no serious consequences! THIS monster is the reason there is a death penalty! If that juror was against it, they never should have been on a jury!!! I don’t give a damn about the birth or upbringing… but to be fully honest, I hope the other inmates bring justice to all!
The retribution principle holds that wrongdoers should suffer in the amount they have imposed on another. In practice, however, the retribution principle is applied unfairly. Researchers have found that among equally guilty murderers, the death penalty is more likely to be given to blacks than to whites and to poor offenders rather than wealthy ones. The law also discriminates in its definition of murder, which is most often committed by poor people. The retribution principle also fails in that offenders given the death sentence typically suffer psychologically more than their victims. Because the death penalty cannot be justly applied in practice in the United States, it should be abolished even though it may be justified in principle.
-J Reiman (1988), Justice of the Death Penalty in an Unjust World
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A life sentence is NOT acquittal!
These families need our prayers for healing and peace.
They don't need prayers. Prayers do nothing. They are just empty thoughts of hope so you don't have to burden yourself with actions that might actually help them. You want to help, send them money, write them a letter, fight for justice in your country or fight for the death penalty or the abolition of these kinds of guns. Do something that actually matters other than small words
@@CMVMic prayer never works it's useless
She is speaking the truth . Very sorry for your loss
How was he allowed to be given an AR15. That is the question to be asked that will save more from this fate.
I got a AR 15 and 223 rounds so I don't go on a killing spree nah I just shoot bottles and cans with it or cardboard targets
Here we go with gun control like guns get up and kill people.. insane mentally I’m sorry
@@williamcrockettforever9996 The thing is Nikolas Cruz should not have had a gun considering is mental condition. But he was still allowed to obtain a gun. Crazy how the system works.
How so? You think all mass murderers have a history of mental problems? It only takes one bad day or one compelling radical belief to set in for an ordinary man to go on a killing spree, not to mention access to such a efficient killing machine like an AR15
@@williamcrockettforever9996 it takes one bullet to kill one person. By your logic you could kill 223 ppl
I love your points and intelligence my heart breaks for your family justice will STILL be served!!!!
So right. Automatically a Death sentence to murderes like this. No questions ask!! We need real justice. Enough of these clowns in Court. Everyone that do mass murder must be given the needle
❤️ Love to this mother what a powerful woman. Rest in Peace Helena Ramsay and all Parkland shooting Victims and those impacted ❤️
in cases like this there shouldnt be a jury and let the families decide tbh this is definitely an exception,
THEY BOUGHT THAT INSANITY CARD ... HOLT CRAP!!!!!
They didn't even claim insanity because he isn't. They tried saying his " brain was damaged" from his mom drinking and doing crack while pregnant 🙄
50k babies are born each year with fetal alcohol syndrome and you don't see 50k mass murders running around.
I agree that there’s no excuse for war weapons on the streets, and I hope someone will figure out how Nick managed to get his hands on a gun, so they can do something to prevent other people from getting their hands on guns, and thus prevent such tragic and heartbreaking shootings.
I'm glad she brung up race, what she said was spot on 👏
Is possible to take the case to supreme court?
At this rate I wouldn't trust those idiots to make the right decision on anything honestly
She right!!! God be with her and the family ...
Put Runcie on trial and your questions will be answered.
This young man was not getting the death penalty. I know that’s what they were looking and hoping for
And SHAME ON THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT!!!!
God Bless and comfort you and all impacted by this evil person.
People have got the death penalty for a lot less than that.
So if they give a person the death penalty for killing two people and let a person get life for killing 17 people is beyond me smh really not a good look 👀
Truth.
Life in the prison
They had to tell these people to make sure you think the defense team. Because everybody gets on here saying the exact same thing
Jamaica ❤
I thought he would get the death penalty too.
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wrong deck of cars in terms of the jury selected it all comes to that
Since the penalty was a “recommendation”, perhaps the judge can render a appropriate sentence. Life is not an appropriate ending to this tragic case. He is a conniving evil soul. And he confessed to being evil by confessing acts and planning leading up to this horrific act. There is NO place for bleeding hearts in a death penalty case. You can’t personalize evidence and render a fair and approximate outcome. This ending is as tragic as the case in question.
In an education system especially, what is this let down teaching present and future children
Life in prison
Wow
We've had a shooting at U of Virginia, 3 young men dead. Shooter figures he will get off, I'm sure.
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My heart goes out to these familes i said this i thought the jurrors made the right decision but now i was wrong big time shame on the jurrors he should have gotten the death penility this parent is so so right he might have had a awful childhood but he had no right to kill innocent children he planned this shame on the 12 for giving him life he gets to eat sleep my god this animal is living while these poor families had to go thru the pain all over again
The parents make it sound like he won't be punished at all, but he gets life without parol, that's a punishement that is considered too cruel in Europe, for example. He's 24, men generally mature mentally around 30, but no matter what mental or intelectual progress he makes, his life will be forever ruled by something he did when he was 19. My country, for example, abolished the death penalty in 1990 and our worst punishement is now life in prison with a possibility of parole after 20 years. It's very unlikely for anyone to get that parole, but not having such a possibility would be considered unfair, because people can change. I don't believe that it's possible when someone commits such heinous crimes to get a life in our system (it's much more difficult than in USA), but on the other hand we have a serial killer who was released some 15 years ago and he lives quietly without reoffending. (It's a special case from 1980s. We had a death penalty back then and he should have gotten it for the type of crimes he commited, but he was 17, so he got the highest penalty for his age group - 10 years and then treatement at the psychiatry. He was released after some 19 years of prison and psychiatric hospitalization and didn't reoffend. But he was basicaly castrated in the prison by other inmates, who also tried to kill him, so that may be a factor too, because his murders were sexually motivated.)
But back to NC. I think the jurors might have made a mistake, but not for the reasons the parents are saying. They basically want revenge, which is understandable, yet it should not be a factor in legal decisions about the death penalty. No, the reasons, why I think the life sentence may be a mistake is because I don't believe he is no longer dangerous. I am very affraid that he will attack someone in prison, his attack of a jail guard was chilling and it happened while he was still facing the death penalty. Now he's "safe" from it and I am worried what may happen in few year when he is abadoned to a mundane life in prison, without getting all the attention he's got so used to now.
@@Eltanin25 honestly do you even hear yourself? That punishment in no way fits the crime. You think these murderers should be given a second chance, they should be given mercy and all the small pleasures that the living take for granted such as breathing, talking, reminiscing, laughing, etc... You think all murderers experience remorse or guilt. Some of them want to die. You think being locked up with parole is so bad, would you prefer being shot with an AR15 multiple times about the body, struggling for breath in fear hoping someone is coming to save you in your final moments alive no possibility of parole or seeing your loved ones again. You sir are the problem with society. You have so much compassion for the guilty, you forget to be compassionate towards the real victims. You think it's being done all in the name of vengeance? No! Society has a duty to it's citizens. If you murder a citizen, you forfeit your right to life. It is self defense. There should always be consequences and hear you are being as inconsiderate as possible, advocating for mercy for a monster who wouldn't even grant you that if you were there. To what end? So you can feel som3 sense of self righteousness and that you are better than others. All that verdict does is embolden the next mass shooter who has had some childhood problems growing up. You think releasing a murderer back on the street is smart? Do you even know how much murders go unsolved? Literally every murderer who has been freed, could have committed murder again but just got better at hiding it. These criminals will always be a potential threat to society and it isn't even about protecting society, it is about rewards and consequences. We send the wrong msg out there when we allow mass murderers to get off so easily.
@@CMVMic Well, I was explaining European take on the punishment, I didn't say I wholy agree with it. Even more, I said I think that not giving the death penalty, may be a mistake some future victim will pay for.
But putting that away, YOUR comment clearly demonstrates, what's wrong with the society. It's an inability to accept empirically proven facts, which in this case is, that draconic punishments don't deter the future criminals. The humanity has centuries of the most imaginative and painful punishments to illustrate this.
If you think that harsh punishment deters the criminals, then how do you explain low criminal rates in Norway, when compared with USA? In Norway, their mass murdering madman Breivik got a sentence which allows him a possible parole in the future. Yet there aren't hoards of other Breiviks longing for the same notoriety and a playstation in prison, are they? On the other hand, no matter what fate the US mass murderers, school shooters, etc. meet, there is always another one behind the corner... Peculiar, isn't it?
@@Eltanin25 Empirically proven facts? Those statistics are misleading and unreliable. For many reasons. 1. You can't determine that the capital punishment doesn't deter murder because you would have to know all the people who were about to commit murder and didn't because of the death penalty. Good luck getting that info. 2. Factors such as culture and environment influences behaviour 3. Statistics differ in different countries. for eg. Where I live the murder has dramatically increased since the death penalty has been abolished. So the only thing you have demonstrated is the lack of intelligence by assuming that your so called facts are actual facts.
@@CMVMic Well, in my country the murder had also increased dramatically after the death sentence was abolished. It lasted about 10 years, reached even a high of trice the number before the abolishment, then it started to drop and now it is at the same numbers as it was before the abolishement.
What I meant by the proof was, that by the logic of harsher punishment = higher deterement, the times with draconic sentences should have been the times with the lowest criminality. And they aren't, are they? Yeah, you cannot take individual data how many people wnted to commit crime and decided not to, but you can make statistics of overall crime rates. And those statistics in long run don't prove that the existence of the death sentence is such a powerfull deterent.
By the way, I am not a death sentence opponent. For example in the way it was practised in my country before the abolishment, I think it was quite reasonable. It was the hardest punishment for the hardest crimes and it was really hard to get it. There was this case which happened where my grandma lived. A boy, also bit slower in development, killed a child on a whim and then few years later he killed his own grandmother for few bucks and he got "just" something over 20 years.
But even in this lenient system, I think that Mr. Cruz would have gotten the death penalty, and I wouldn't be against it. I just don't think that the death penalty being given to someone will have much influence on occurence of other similar crimes. It's a distraction from real issues that can influence it more. Availability of weapons is one. Availability of healthcare is the other and even more important. I cannot understand how it comes that such a problematic child as Mr. Cruz was on several different meds, had such problematic behaviour and wasn't hospitalized at the psychiatry not even once. And how he was able to get such a weapon and so much ammunition. In my country, only weapon he would have been able to purchase would probably be a musket, because he would fail the criteria for the gun permit - surely the psycho check part, maybe even others. Yeah, even musket is deadly, but killing 17 people with it takes a bit more time. And yeah, we had a school stabbers, but again, the death toll was a bit lower. A lot lower, in fact.
HIRE HOMELAND SECURITY (JUST LIKE THE AIRPORTS HAVE) AND START CHARGING A ANNUAL/MONTHLY FEE FOR ALL STUDENTS ATTENDING PUBLIC SCHOOLS. IT WILL PRODUCE MORE JOBS AND KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFER. IF MY KID WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, I WOULD APPLY FOR THE JOB MYSELF.
No truth
Don’t think we’re gonna take away the guns because of your grief though I get it but the guns had nothing to do with what happened that day don’t forget couple months ago 20+ kids were murdered in another country with a knife while at school
Speaking while on high angry level 🤔 now imagine these people beleive in a religion, goes to church but wants another human to stop breathing 🤦♀️ my heart goes with all as we live surrounded by dysfunctional adults creating dysfunctional children
Religion believes in punishing evil-doers to the fullest extent. Clearly you dont read any religious texts and books.
Why are you more sympathetic towards a terrorist than to the actual victims who are dead and suffering from PTSD and night terrors who will be forever traumatized by this nonsense.
Fentanyl should be coursing through Cruz’s veins right now. It’s your constant coddling of grown men who shoot up schools that is creating this dysfunctional society that we live in. IT IS YOU and your mindset that screws over our society.
@@Ilovefreebiesgirl you mean the book that was written by men?
She is coming from a country where death penalty does not exist so how can she say that...
She can say that because she lost her child. If this was your loved one you would want the same thing
No we don't have the death penalty here, but that monster took her child's life, walk a day in the mother's shoes , if it was your child, family killed your want that justice
She also came from a country where people don't shoot up schools because they wanna kill people thinking America would give her family a better life.
She has every right and coming so far, raising a beautiful, smart daughter, I agree 1000% with her.
Her daughter was killed in America. How is where she comes from relevant?
I'm not giving up my rights because you had a bad day.
Good thing you're in Israel
A bad day? Your comment is so unnecessary!!! If it doesn't heal, please be quiet.
Nicholas Cruz is gonna sit there and watch cartoons all day long and he’s gonna laugh about this in jail
Failure by local sherrifs at every level as well school officials.. at every level.
U sound stupid and insensitive, just shut up
What was that on her face?
Shame she had to make it a race issue..
She said nothing wrong.
I mean can you really blame her? I don't agree with everything she said but think about what she went through to feel that way
@@anikagreen2000 Why bring up the race card. This was nothing to do with black people being shot..
@@supermansbigsister3012 I don’t remember her stating that the case was just about black people being shot. That’s not at all what she said.
@@supermansbigsister3012 Out of everything she said you only chose to comment on the “race card”…