There is no world in which I would be willing to pay a subscription fee for my operating system. There's also no world in which I would accept an operating system that's entirely cloud-based. I'm not the kind of person who thinks cloud computing is the future. All of this would completely kill Windows for me.
@@Blox117 I mean, can't these businesses just buy a really good PC and run a lot of VMs on the PC? Then buy cheap PCs to connect via a VNC Viewer? Yea, it might be more expensive but at least you get the freedom to choose any OS
Forcing people to pay for an MS365 subscription just to be able to use their PC is one of the best, if not the best ad for Linux I've heard of so far. Thanks Microsoft for doing all this work for us 👍
Exactly. People may laugh every time someone mentions the "year of the Linux desktop" but it seems like Microsoft is trying really hard to make it happen.
no matter what part of the "First world" you are, internet connection can always go down for any number of future-proof reasons. this will mean immediate outage of any productivity or pc usage. this is an incredibly myopic idea. perhaps this is when linux finally takes over
Not even just internet. Power goes out, which in turn can disable your internet. You could have a laptop and want to do offline work. Or simply travel.
Linux was already ahead in most departments. The exponential improvement in Linux gaming these past few years made me finally switch to Nobara os this year and it's been very smooth so far. I switched my parents' laptops to Linux Mint too and they haven't noticed a thing 🗿
not until graphic design and gaming industry decide industry decide to release their apps with native linux support want to convert to Linux but making apps running in there kinda "difficult" also lots combability issues. for now I'm stuck with Windows 10 (debloated)
@@OFraternaMori You would be surprised with how easy it is to run Windows games on Linux using Valve's Proton on Steam (it works with non Steam games as well)
@@uroboloss I'm not referring to games, I'm more talking about drawing app. already tried open source alternative but not much feature compared that I'm currently use.
Prepare for one or both of the following: 1 being allowed to install only aproved software and extremly limited acces to advanced settings 2 an exploit that allows a third party to browse/modify your files
The 1st thing sounds like Windows 98 when Microsoft shoved Internet Explorer into the OS making other web browsers act slower or not be able to support a lot of webpages.
The sad thing is that they probably are... if MS makes the changes slow and gradually moves to cloud people will just accept it/wont even notice. Sure quite a lot of people will switch to linux, but the majority will probably just pay the subscription.
You underestimate the stupidity of majority of people. There is a minority who is privacy concerned, they think like you. But unfortunately I believe many people will pay. Yes, for the ability to use their own PCs.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction right now and say that if Windows transitions to being cloud based, AI powered, and only available as a subscription, we will see the largest migration to desktop Linux to date.
Linux would mean having to learn a new system that is less compatible then Windows. I still refuse to use anything higher then Windows 7, and I absolutely refuse to buy any computer with no disk space that relies on the cloud. I also disconnect from the internet when I'm not using it. Higher versions of Windows are ugly, less compatible with good games and programs, and intended to make you relearn all sorts of things plus all the spyware. People will probably just stick with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and not bother upgrading.
@@Gramini Not really. It is just a new version of an old idea. The old network servers used to have server based versions of software and the PC was just a display device to interact with the server based software. But no-stresscat was just pointing out that the war for control is ending and the "man" has won.
If people are mad when a single player game requires a constant internet connection, then imagine how much backlash Microsoft would get if they make it so you can't use your computer at all unless you're connected to the internet.
@@wartortlerulestheworldwe recently broke the 3% desktop market share. I really hope open source wins the user war. With paid software is getting greedier and greedier I hope we get the big snap where many people decide to quit and we see a huge open source uprising.
you cant install windows and add a local account when you have a active internet connection.. and win11 installer wont even start if you unplug the ethernet cable if im not wrong.. so the online DRM is alive and kicking hard today
Next time I build a PC I think I’m going to start the transition over to Linux and setup an embedded VM for windows specific software. The Steamdeck has shown me that Linux has matured a lot in recent years. I don’t trust my files on a Cloud PC
You can do it with some laptops too. Blandmanstudios has an excellent tutorial on it. Only downside is it needs an HDMI dummy plug, and some games don't work in VM
Nowadays you don't Need to vm Windows OS to Run Windows Apps in Linux. "Wine" Runs Windows applications almost natively on Linux. Also there is Proton from Valve for example which lets you Play ALMOST all Games. Proton is an optimized forged Variant of Wine. Some Proton Games Run even better than native in Windows.
It's not about user experience. It's about control. Nudging and eventually forcing all their customers onto the Microsoft cloud where all their data and everything related to their digital lives is accessed makes switching away from the Microsoft ecosystem a much bigger technical challenge. Most PC users don't even know what a gigabyte is so there's really no way for them to leave their Microsoft overlords once they get locked into the cloud. Apple has their cloud, Amazon has their cloud, Google has their cloud, etc. It's all about locking in customers to their ecosystems with "convenient" subscription models where they may not have access to their data or digital livelihoods if they miss too many payments. Microsoft is the most dangerous of the cloud providers due to how widely used Windows is, but this is a real industry as a whole problem. Half the battle is user ignorance and unwillingness to learn (time constraints, no interest, etc.) so since they can't make informed decisions themselves, big tech has stepped in to make decisions for them. It amounts to "ignorance is bliss (and profitable)" for the big tech companies. Before even getting to the privacy issues, one must first tackle the control issue and that requires mandated education to force people to learn. One state has already started. North Dakota has become the first state to require cyber security training in its K-12 school system. I don't know how effective it'll be, but it's a good step in the right direction.
This is by far one of the best comments I have ever read on this subject. Your point about unwillingness to learn is spot on and scares the heck out of me all at the same time. I weep for the future.
The control aspect of your argument I agree with, this is certainly a move that limits consumer freedom. But in terms of that sentence about privacy issues? Not so certain. It’s likely that whatever deployment of windows runs in the cloud will be in a confidential computing environment, like Arm’s CCA, meaning the host (Windows) should only be able to manage resources (allocate/deallocate memory, boot/reboot, etc) to the User, but the contents of any computation should be kept secret from Microsoft and this will be enforced by the hardware and software alike.
Computer and IT work has gotten a lot more muddy and expensive since the the whole move to cloud based services back in 2011. I admit that user ignorance and unwillingness places as big factor on why the tech industry can get away with a lot of this control BS. However, building, running and up keeping a computer now a days is a lot more difficult in both cost and time put in, than say 20 years ago. The thing that has gotten easier is archiving data with hte advent of bigger storage and faster hard drive speeds and transfer rates. The down side is everything seems to have shorter lifespans now. On non archival jobs. Just working with programs is a pain. DRM is a huge problem as when it fisrt began was software based but now it's being baked into the hardware. A good example is UBISOFT introduced DRM that limited the amount of installs you could do for games. I've had my OS drives die multiple times but get locked out after x amount of installs. THen there is powerDVD, that has a horrible DRM on their software that bricks hardware. (Yes, I still use optical media for archival purposes) I had powerDVD installed but after multiple hard drive failures and backing up my OS via image I decided to use some free software. To my shock, my DVD/Blu-ray rom drive was bricked. IT wouldn't let me play any disks disks. Burning functionality acted weird and I was getting region block errors even though Inever set my optical drive to any specified region. Long story short technology isn't as easy to step into now a adays and trouble shoot problems as the manufacturers of both software and hardware seem to be in bed together to make it a lot harder for users to maintain their own systems. Linux is open source and it's cool and all and on the surface seems easier for the general user, but there are a lot of things under the hood that is still very technical and also Linux does have to keep up with the modern standard. Like I'm not sure how some modern network protocol works. Like linux terminal can use packets to install apps and programs. But remember you are putting a trust on where it's calling from. I remember when you still had to have the file downloaded on the computer before using terminal commands to install it. Linux also has things operating in cloud base. All in all regardless of who uses what and even if we put effort into learning to be tech savy in the present today, the user still has to put a good amount of trust on the manufacturer as much of modern computer workings is quite automated now. To me I"m a huge skeptic and it frustrates me that some times I have to take leaps of faith. It's not just learning. As you said, the control issue is within the majority of the tech industry. Hence learning about the current workings of technology isn't enough. It has to be a ground up rebuild. A start from zero rebuild or a start from zero to revert to the golden age before cloud nonsense. By the way I am not some guru. I'm not a very good programmer and networking IT efficiency is not my strong suit. I'm a tinkerer, not a developer nor programmer. But Ive lived long enough to see trends and understand at least how somethings work. Just technology changes at such a break neck speed. I bet something that I just educated myself today on how some software works, and is coded 4 months from now becomes outdated. It call comes down to the point is that developers and manufacturers are playing the fast pace game that tehcnology moves at such a neck breaking speed it is quite difficult to keep up. And this is done on purpose, to make it as hard as possible for the general public all so the tech companies have the users trust blindly and keep control on knowledge. Sure with effort it's not hard, but it's always a catch up game. Technology has reached a point where it is advancing so rapidly, humans can't keep up and fully understand how it works. Well at least the general public that takes interest in technology.
@@Haiyami You need not worry about Linux keeping up with the times. Windows and MacOS both borrow things from Linux all the time and Linux runs on the vast majority of all Internet servers and the Linux kernel powers Android, routers, and switches so you don't need to worry about it keeping up with the latest protocols out there either. As for DRM, most of it doesn't work on Linux so you're not going to need worry it bricking your hardware. lol Linux isn't something to worry about, it's something to learn from. Even if you never touch a Linux system in your life, you still rely on the work that gets done by people working on Linux (even the Microsoft cloud servers run on Linux). :)
Does no one rememember the disaster that was Google Stadia? Cloud based anything almost guarantees that only those with quality internet will be able to consistently use it. Basing an entire OS on Cloud alone is doomed to fail. Have it be an option, not the default.
Now, think about dozen of thousand of people (in the MS's plans) using this cloud version at same time; There will no quality internet anymore, no matter where you are.
@@joseeduardobolisfortes imagine the difficulty if you want to install a simple adblocker.. Say hello to trusted installer, your best new forced friend
Ahoy, I'm old enough to remember when I logged in on my terminal to use a PDP11. All the rage then was how soon we'd all have a real computer on our desk, no remote system needed. Using an OS in the "cloud" (stupid term for server farm) takes me right back to the good old days of a terminal and a mainframe. Such progress! That would be just the thing I needed to move the rest of the way to Linux. From an old OS/2 Warpserver tech, daveyb
As a sysadmin who handles and maintains all bigger clouds (Azure, AWS, GCP), the Azure is the one we have most issues with, most down times and underlying hardware breakages and just some real downtimes due to infra issues like datacenter networking failures. Just the AVD virtual desktop solution is constant source of headaches. The UI experience on their portal is something that makes you wish for thermonuclear war in case you have to do anything repetive there. It's designed completely for touch screens they say. For me it is a display window how one mega corporation can create far inferior and more expensive solution and hamstring it into everywhere since decision makers just do not know better or care enough. There is no way I am going for subscription and cloud based OS, especially made and maintained by Microsoft just because I see a bit behind the curtains. Oh well due to restrictiveness and general bloat in win 11 I have already made a choice to move completely to Linux with my next rig and at last once support for Win 10 ends.
A future in which nobody owns anything and has no control about what is being sent towards MS-Servers whatsoever is very depressing. This can't possibly be the way to go for everybody. To use a cloud-pc is like using someone else's notebook as your personal diary. Maybe I am to pessimistic, but I can't help myself in these times.
Windows 7 was the pinnacle. It just gets progressively worse after that. I know there are security concerns, and I do need to have a Windows 10 PC to play certain games, but if people can design code to hack Windows, then can't private people also create new security updates for Windows 7?
@@marioalexanderski9598 Yes, because they put all their assets into a corporation sole which they control, but for legal liability reasons they don't actually own it. No one can take it away, not even the government.
As someone who is both a software developer and video editor (using Adobe software), the idea that I could have my IDE and Premiere Pro running in the cloud, then just stream that to wherever I am is kind of appealing. It means I could carry around a really light laptop and as long as I have a stable connection, edit from anywhere. In fact, in software development, we’re already seeing the growing trend of “remote development environments”, where all the actual compute is done on a remote server, with just the development environment UI running locally, connected back to the remote environment.
This is nothing new. This is just the latest iteration of the old Mainframe and 3270 terminals connected to it except that now the terminal is a little fancy and 'beefier', capable of doing some actual computing locally and the 'Mainframe' is the cloud. It is not even the first time that they think about it; Sun tried to make it happen in the late 90's (I think it was called "Network PCs"?) where the computer was again a dumb terminal that was capable of running some Java applets and it predictably failed because neither Java nor internet connectivity were at a point where something like this could be feasible. It does work on corporate environments as it has been proven by Citrix, MS Terminal Server and the likes where companies can set up workstations however they seem fit but obviously this is not ideal for a consumer oriented product. If you really need to have some sort of 'desktop on the cloud' sort of deal to complement your daily computing needs, /me thinks that you would be better served renting a powerful VPS somewhere and then set up Apache Guacamole. Not only you can have everything set up exactly as you need but it will end up WAY cheaper then going with a MS subscription that, make no mistake, at some point they're going to gouge the price and twist the knife on your back.
When windows 10 reaches end of service time I am sure that Microsoft will do what they did with XP, drag it out with security patches only and scare their user base into upgrading their hardware, to keep the whole ball rolling.
they have started with the scare tactics now, "no updates" "no security" and the normal "every windows user is a idiot that have no clue how to use a computer or stay safe on the internet" But we can trust windows to keep us safe...
Requiring usage of cloud though, will be the point of lot of people switching over to any other available OS. There is plenty of people who have poor internet connections where using something cloud-based is basically impossible
I still refuse to use anything higher then Windows 7, and I absolutely refuse to buy any computer with no disk space that relies on the cloud. I also disconnect from the internet when I'm not using it. Higher versions of Windows are ugly, less compatible with good games and programs, and intended to make you relearn all sorts of things plus all the spyware and tyranny nonsense. LINUX might be a good idea, but I'm worried about compatibility, learning curve, and things like that. I just want more of what I'm familiar with, not having all this stuff I don't want crammed down my neck.
Disgusting the big tech companies pay lip service to the environment whilst condemning huge numbers of perfectly serviceable computers to landfill once Windows 10 support is dropped.
Microsoft is just pushing the whole "Own nothing, be happy" thing on Windows, and while some of the things about it sound exciting (modular Windows installs? Hell yeah!), I'd still rather have some control over my technology. And using Linux has never been easier, or more convenient! Wine can run Windows stuff, and Linux itself has a massive ton of open-source alternatives to all the software on Windows. I think there never was a better time to switch than now.
I tried 3 hours in, I was so confused I went back to Windows and never looked back Open-source Software is amazing, but unless it has a strong presence behind it to push it in a direction, like the Blender foundation, it's too decentralised to really get a grip on what option is better than the other 10.000 options
@@Soguwei once had that mindset but something you can do is get familiar with the software on windows or use virtual machines to get into linux without losing what you need now
Apparently to some ret... excuse me to some _special people_ Linux is too hard and "confusing" they can't even open the browser or install apps from the graphical app store unless the OS is an identical copy of their beloved Windows. These people are a lost cause and cannot be saved, Microsoft will always own them, for everyone else though Linux is the way, they just need to give it an honest try.
I've been using various Linux distros since 2006 and I still keep running into issues when it come to hardware support. I want to switch to Linux, but that isn't an option when the software I use and the games I play don't run well because of hardware incompatibilities. No I'm not buying new hardware just to run Linux on my PC. Another issue is I'm near deaf in one ear and no Linux distro offers mono support that combines the channels. The mono codex is just awful, producing a tinny and distorted sound. It's unusable. Windows, Android, and even iOS all offer quality mono for the hearing impaired. You just toggle a setting and it's done. Most people are not going to switch unless it comes on a new PC and it's well configured.
@@AJ-po6up have you ever considered that people that don't have your high equine penthouse just don't want to have to set up an operating system that then doesn't have the decades of research windows has on how to make an unintuitive thing like a computer usable? That maybe your holy fucking Linux wouldn't even be half as usable without Windows? That maybe some people just don't like the way Linux works and prefer Windows Then again, you're using a derogatory slur that hasn't been used for nearly 20 years, seems you're just trapped in the past
I really doubt anything like this would ever happen cause it seems kinda... dumb and wasteful? But in case it happens, we, the adorable penguin OS users, are waiting for you all ❤🐧
I can see a cloud version of Windows being used in offices with fixed workplaces. But I can hardly imagine all the people who spend a lot of money to get a cool case (and a lot more of course) for their PC being happy with that - my partner included. I like this idea though because of its aspect of accessibility though. With Google Stadia for example I could play games that aren’t available on Mac. I also saw lots of uses for it in settings that didn’t have the means to get a console. Same concept for a cloud version of Windows I think. The only thing that worries me a bit is how much of an impact that would have on the environment. With rendering farms and stuff being a given, how much more processing power and space would be necessary for all the machines running Windows somewhere to be streamed to users. Yeah, one machine can run multiple OS, but I think making a cloud version of any OS available on a broader scale would be a challenge.
I don't like the idea of a cloud based OS. That being said, even when you use a local OS you still run a computer, so I don't think it will have any more impact on the environment (it may even be more environmentally friendly, than millions of pcs being run separately, if you think about it)
@@DarkMugCloud servers are VERY energy intensive. Some of them not very "eco" friendly. Such as some of Amazon's AWS servers being cooled with water from a nearby river that's already drying up. (I'm not saying personal at home PCs aren't to blame for energy consumption, but cloud based technology is still very power-hungry)
Cloud computing is fine as an option, but I don't think we've reached a point where the average person would throw away their laptop to stream windows on their tablet. The people who cannot afford a desktop/laptop likely also cannot pay an yearly or monthly subscription and the decent fixed internet connection that'd required for doing so. Chances are if you can buy their subscription, you already have the capacity to get something to do emails, spreadsheets, and video calls. Feels like the same problem with those projects that add desktop modes to mobile OSes (like samsung dex), it's cool but what are you providing the end consumer that cannot be achieved with a cheap or used laptop, while requiring them to conveniently have access to a desktop/tablet size screen wherever they go. Core os thing sounds more interesting, it'd be good if they allowed you to download any additional packages (like win32 compatibility) if you require it even after install, otherwise a lot of people will be stuck with whatever their OEMs decided was the best for them.
Every time you think your hardware is finally catching up to the bloated OS, they find some new way to suck away the performance gains. I just don't see how something like this works in a high security environment like DoD or even as a server OS.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan Here is the problem with changing. Linux might be fine if you don't do much more than web browsing. But I have at least thirty applications that I use regularly. I know this because every time I buy a new computer, I spend days reinstalling them. Some are things like the Adobe Lightroom that I am pretty sure will not run on Linux. Also, my email clients - I really don't want to lose my old emails. But the real kicker is that I write software for a living, including Windows desktop applications. So basically, I have thirty years of investment in Windows. I have no idea what will migrate and what won't. And I would rather continue my fight with Windows than take on a new fight to learn a new OS. I married Microsoft in the 90s and it is too expensive to get a divorce.
I have been on Windows since the days of 3.1, DoS, N T 4.0 etc. exciting times in the world of computers and OS. But its time to jump ship into Linux. by the way the if you remember Terminal services and Citrix thin client technologies this Windows 365 kind reminds me of that.
Having tons of ai and cloud computing sounds horrible I don't want Microsoft seeing everything I do on their pc. Id also be able to lose access to my files because they feel like it, we can't let this happen
I'm gonna be a little snarky and say that we had this offline cloud computing for years. We called that a computer. Not only were the files offline but also the OS and the hardware and you could keep the entire stack running without an internet connection.
I feel like MS365 and the cloud stuff is just a numbers push. It's so easy to just make a functioning OS for casual end users. They've been doing it for decades and came to an end with that with Windows 8. It's like they spend all their time thinking "How can we make our customers do X and Y" without ever thinking about the people who just don't want it.
We are going to lose all our freedom to cloud computing (it's not even a cloud just someone elses computer) and ai. I'm not even being a fanboy here but more should switch to Linux
When this starts happening we need to start more aggressively advertising linux. Most people dont even know about it, and those that do probably associate it with hackers, nerds, it being difficult and only for programmers, the annoying elitists on the internet... We neeed to advertise it at the right time and in the right way, so people start associating it with privacy, freedom, choice... with what it really is
Always switch to open source alternatives that support more than just Windows. If you have to use Windows specifically for your job or something, maybe it's time to start looking for a job with more flexibility in operating systems/software.
dual boot works, one OS that tell daddy about everything you do and one that keep silent.. make sure that you keep all your personal info on the one that keep silent
i understand, but I am worried about the compatibility of my current apps and programs. and also everything else, the main thing for me is keyboard shortcuts...
"Becomes unsafe"? Lol it already tracks an unbelievable amount of private user data and is pretty much the only os targeted by malware. You can't stop Microsoft tracking you even if you disable everything; they don't care about user consent. The PC Security Channel made a great video on it. I recommend Nobara os for Linux so you don't have to set anything up to Windows games on it.
What exactly was not compatible for you? Most software can just be run without a lot of extra steps, games are pretty easy these days. It depends a lot on your distribution, as the preinstalled packages can make it way easier and a modern Kernel / driver packages can improve your experience vastly.
@MichaelDustter Yeah.. some older Adobe stuff might work on WINE and it comes without a subscription. For most software, there are alternatives. The main difference between Windows and Linux is, that Linux gets better every day.. while Windows does the opposite.
linux isnt for everyone, it works in a different way. You need to learn stuff and do a few steps manually. Not everything is one button to click in linux. Thats why i love linux, i know and see everything it does and i tell it what to do. But as i said, linux isnt for everyone. Not everyone can fly a plane.. its not like driving a car
Microsoft 365 already got banned in German schools because of the GDPR law.For Microsoft to even remotely to make this work, they'll need to start setting up servers in Europe. As with internet, there are still outages, with a local OS you can always use your device offline. There are just to many cons to this.
I'm super disappointed no one else is really broadcasting this concern. As much as it seems cool to virtually access you computer, there are just too many problems and concerns that it won't work for the majority of users. I do think that after Windows 10 EoL, Linux will have a much bigger OS market share. The problem is the convivence of Windows is just too good, but could be solved by adding that level of convenience to a Linux distro anyways...
@@anonimes4005I personally don't think that's the case yet. It's getting close but when I installed Fedora I still had to do some additional steps that Windows didn't really need for me to have everything ready. Though tbh there are parts where Linux already wins when it comes to convenience (installing apps, drivers). I think Windows is still more convenient for now.
@MichaelDustter In linux you need to explicitely setup disk automounting, which requires modifying fstab which isn't really user friendly (I have tried KDE automounting but that requires sudo after every boot, so that isn't very convenient either). Function key shortcuts are automatically set up on windows while only some work on linux (brighness, sound, and touchpad works for example, but for locking account, disabling camera and such which my laptop has a shortcuts for, I needed to add manually). Playing games on linux is still less convenient than windows from time to time and you need to do stuff like adding command line arguments, installing custom versions of proton or use protontricks. Battery life is also pretty decent on windows out of the box, but on linux needs some tweaking with tlp, powertop or auto-cpufreq which from what I have noticed isn't set up by default on distributions. While drivers usually work very well when they are included in the kernel, if they are not, you will need to download them manually, unlike windows where this is done in the background using windows update. These aren't a deal breaker, but they do make linux a bit less convenient than windows in my opinion.
@MichaelDustter Yeah I agree with you. Linux isn't as convenient as Windows, but it's pretty close. Also that GNOME disk management tool, is it available for KDE? If it is then I might actually use it since the KDEs option sucks and me modifying fstab directly actually made my system unbootable once.
Anyone seriously suggesting a cloud OS for regular consumers should go to an area without reliable fiber Internet and try using a remote desktop. It's simply not a usable solution for a lot of people on top of the issues of control/privacy. If a future Windows version will require a subscription fee then I'll stop using Windows altogether. I have already mostly migrated to Linux with gaming being the only reason I even keep Windows on my personal machine. Most Windows games in my library already work with Proton so it's not like I would have to sacrifice a lot by switching fully to Linux.
Everything I've heard about Windows 12 thus far sounds like Microsoft chasing trends - A.I and cloud-based computing - instead of delivering an operating system that people will want to use. I'm a Linux guy and we're practically required to have it in for Windows, but I hope this fails solely on the basis that all of these new features sound really dumb and like a hassle for users.
The interesting thing with this is that if it fails, most users will just stay on an old version of windows instead of doing something like switching to Linux. And if the amount of people not upgrading is large enough microsoft might just backtrack and release a os that people will like and actually upgrade to. This has been proven with windows 8; people hated it and stayed on win7 instead of switching to Linux but then when win10 was actually good they upgraded
Microsoft changing trends is similar to what happened with Windows 8 when in the early 2010s touch-screen smartphones and tablets were becoming popular to the point Microsoft implemented the infamous Start Screen for tablets which didn't make sense for regular mouse-and-keyboard computers. Microsoft didn't even care to make Windows 8 useful for mouse-and-keyboard computers and they only cared about the touch screen trends.
i would say that AI is a great way to collect data, so its a investment for microsoft but its also a win situation when it comes to data. People blocked cortana or didnt allow it to talk to daddy and i think microsoft is angry for it still..
For those that are going to use this (hope none..), hopefully you will be able to host your own cloud service locally so that you don't necessarily need an active internet connection to be able to access your PC/Workstation.
Your own cloud locally? You mean a NAS on your home network? A cloud storage is what that is, a NAS, but it’s someone else’s NAS that you’re renting space on. The only thing is if you’re allowing access for yourself and maybe others that you want, to your NAS from the internet, which is of course convenient, you have to carefully consider the security aspect of that. Multi billion dollar companies’ systems have been broken into by hackers so it isn’t far fetched that us individual’s can be very vulnerable too. The cyber criminals are relentless in trying find holes anywhere and everywhere to steal money. That’s what it really comes down to.
Windows 11 killed it for me for about 75% of my computer use and I switched to Linux. This vision of Windows "12" (or Windows Cloud) would kill it totally. Sorry, I do not want to pay for yet another subscription for a "thin Client". When the power or Internet goes down (or is put down by a Cyber attack) we will all be banjaxed. For Microsoft, it is all about a revenue stream.
Yup. Let's enable parents to be even more helicopter and destroy their childs' sense of privacy. That sure won't make them, I don't know, be vulnerable to toxic people on the dating world when they are adults because they think being able to just see what you are doing on your device at any time is a normal thing
How to have win365 at home: Step 1: get a pc Step 2: install chrome remote desktop it as well as the pc (or phone) you want to connect with Step 3: Do all the setup thing it wants you to do Step 4: Connect to the pc Step 5 (Optional, but reccomended): For the best experience, go into the settings by clicking the arrow on the right hand side of the screen and changine the video encoder to AV1, enable high quality colour, and the max fps to 60 or whatever is the highest
Adobe Cloud subscription forced me to leave Photoshop. Office 365 forced to to leave MS Office, now Windows 365 will force me to leave Windows all together.
Sounds cool for the fist second until you quickly realize, oh crap my whole computer's worth of info would be under lock and key by someone else. At least a cloud service you pick and choose what files are available on the cloud. This new version would be like your landlord sitting in your kitchen 24/7 staring at you. Used computer prices will soar if this gets popular. Save all your old hardware folks lol. Phones too.
I left Windows in 2017 for Linux Mint and I haven't looked back. Right now I am saving up for a System 76 machine for my next computer. I hear Pop OS is a pretty good OS.
This really gives hackers the ability to hack multiple companies at once instead of one at a time. Tell me this can never happen and I'll sell you a bridge in New York cheap. Oh, and I"m not paying a subscription to use my computer. Not now, not ever.
Well in terms of work I guess there's no option, my work laptop is provided by the company i work for. But for my personal computer I really value my privacy, so my desktop I'll be trying to use Linux and for djing i guess it will be a macbook or an ipad.
I strongly object to an OS that requires a constant connection to an account that constantly sends data to Microsoft. I've had several issues with Windows in the past. I found myself needing to reinstall the OS on my PC every six months just to maintain stability, and it recently started breaking down within a month. I've experienced issues like not being able to sign in with Windows Hello, or the system not accepting my pin after sleep/hibernation. On two separate occasions, I was locked out of my personal devices, having to wait for 2 hours each time. Moreover, with Windows 10, the OS has transformed into an advertising platform. It continually nags you with suggestions like "Want to try MS365?" or "Just try Edge." There seems to be no genuine option to refuse these offers, as the prompt has shifted from 'Yes' and 'No' to 'Yes' and 'Later.' This implies an inevitable adoption of these services. I've given up on Windows after the release of Windows 11, transitioning to Linux instead. I've left my Windows history behind and now use Linux daily. It's a breath of fresh air to return to an OS that simply performs its primary function without any nuisances or forced actions.
Ill stay on Windows 10 anyway. And when the support updates end, I'll switch to Linux. That's it. I don't like the idea of accessing everything through the internet, I want my files on a physical SSD that I can remove from my PC anytime I want. And even worse: Paying a monthly fee to JUST USE MY COMPUTER? Crazy. Also: Nowadays, where privacy is almost non-existant, I wont let them take my last bit of privacy (them not being able to track what I do when I plug my internet out) from me.
No cloud base anything. All your documents will be scanned and tag. Then you get advertisements base on your documents. With your pictures then can piece together your family and friends. Scary times are coming
Yeah same and things are looking good, especially with the steam deck really giving a boost to Linux gaming. And for anything that I need windows for ill just use a VM.
@@friendhaus1858 Good news: It is supported since 2-3 months. Newer games are often released with support.. older ones take some time sometimes. Only a few are not supported, because the developer decides so.
i was a long term windows user from win xp era..and even before i knew this will happen i ditched win 11 and moved to debian..wrong move MS i see rise of linux marketshare in 2025:D
So Microsoft will own you, your files, and know everything you do in much more detail, with the ability to cut you off at anytime, and you lose everything. Not sure this is a smart move. 1984 here we come. Windows 11 can run on legacy computers, the TPM thing can be overridden.
What next? DNA fingerprinting in order to set up M$ account?? Requires taking 2 doses of COnVID 💉💉 just to log in to your PC?? Spyware on another level. No surprise here especially when you discover that the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers own all governments and banks. 1984 is becoming the truth.
Windows 365… honest question: Who’s asking for this, really? I remember back in the day when I had to work in an office *and* didn’t have a laptop (so, desktop PC’s only), but… this as a solution seems like a step backward given it’s internet-bound and thus not only fickle but also would be higher latency. And, if that weren’t an issue (maybe it’s not always streamed) then what about privacy? What about sync time? Etc.
Linux desktop marketshare has been growing recently and the companies seem dedicated to keep it that way. Eventually, this will make it so that it's the default on which all software works. I think this is great. Can't wait for M$ to die.
If I already go mad when my PC goes offline because my internet provider has outtages randomly, imagine losing access to my ENTIRE pc when that happens. Sound super reliable to not be able to get ANY work done if the internet goes out.
If Windows ever moves to a cloud service with no offline options, that will be the end of my time using Windows. I'm already highly considering moving to Linux on my desktop once support for 10 ends, there are just a few proprietary programs holding me back from just making the move right now.
Do it. Just do it! but seriously tho you can try it in a vm or a live usb, and those proprietary programs might work just fine with proton. Also you can dual boot (apparently it tends to break, but thats probably just if u install them on the same disk. I used to dual boot linux and windows on different disks and it worked perfectly.)
@@anonimes4005 I already have it on a few of my laptops and really enjoy it! I've used Mint and Kubuntu mainly. I upgraded my SSD in my desktop recently so I may use the old one as a separate disk to install Kubuntu on to dual boot since my board has two m.2 slots. I'd have to see what's out there to get the proprietary programs (namely Vegas Pro & a few various Adobe programs) running well on Linux. I'll worry about it more as Windows 10's EOL date draws closer though, no rush right now.
Lmao it's becoming _even more_ bloated and unsafe? Glad I switched to Linux. Has been a very smooth ride for this past year. Haven't run into a windows game yet that doesn't run on Linux too with Nobara os
Kudos for the choice of Nobara. Not a widely known distro but I've been playing with it for the past year, and its a massive time saver having so many small issues that affect gaming / content creation already fixed in Nobara.
I'm wary of any cloud solution. The Tech sector has a poor track record in that regard. If Microsoft moves to more of a thin client architecture, Linux will likely have a strong future for local robust operating systems. EDIT: While I'm thinking about it, It's a brilliant solution to their problems. The big issue is that the best features are the biggest problem for the people that do care about them. Namely, no small number of us. I also worry that the ToS on cloud services like this could be used to effectively wall undesirables out of digital society with little recourse. Think what AWS did to Parler.
@@SamOlds2999 Terms of Service. Basically, what you agree to in order to use the software. Depending on the specific terms, they can be selectively used to freeze anyone off a platform.
I'm using Windows 10 until EOL. After that, if there is an offline Windows version, I will switch to that, if not, I already dual-boot Linux, so why not stick with it?
I mean, that windows installation is wasted hard drive space already. Considering windows 10 is also spyware, personally I'd uninstall it if I were you.
@@subjectnether959 many things you cannot run without windows, plus everything that I need "privacy" for is already on Linux and completely encrypted. 70GB windows is also nothing for a 4TB drive. So I'm not worrying.
@@altaccount648 Totally reasoneable, one thing i recommend is to also force only security updates to avoid windows from touching the grub at maximum, this can be possible with CTT debloat tool, good luck on your journey.
I can't imagine any intelligent person or corporation wanting their information stored on a Windows cloud server to be possibly hacked or stolen. I think what little privacy you have would be at the sole discretion of Microsoft?
Support companies wont like the cloud PC concept, they cant store the customer data on a 3rd party location where unknown people can see it. So ms will loose the support companies if they go full cloud
A lot of companies would like the cloud OS idea - providing they were running it on their own servers. There are third-party programs to do that today. It's great for giving users remote access while making it very hard for them to smuggle data out (short of screen-capturing) or smuggle data in (ie, no sneaky users putting pirate movies on the company equipment). But I don't think that is Microsoft's intention here: If they did it that way, how would they make money off it? But if they and they alone are providing the cloud, they have a captive market and subscription revenue.
Pushing Windows to the cloud for everyone is farfetched. If this is true, I think this will be very niche in terms of use case. But I think, right now, it is more like they are pushing to make each Windows PC communicate/connect easi-err
its logical, easier ways to connect users with their services also means easier for microsoft to pick up the user information. Its a win-win situation. If the user block windows they cant use their OS.. no way to get out of the bubble
Also, a way to entirely control your online experience. They will control what apps you can use, what content you can watch or interact with, they will have complete control over your banking information, what games you can play, all of it. You will not own your PC you merely rent it.
I must admit I use Windows as VM for 10 years now. I have a beefy server that gets all my monetary attention. So having Windows as a service is nothing new. Downside is you cant do realtime stuff effectively, as 3D and video gets compressed and audio has some delay. Anything else thou is a blessing. Especially management becomes 10x easier.
My feelings are simple MY DATA stays on MY hard drive . If they force everyone on the cloud I go to Linux mint .I all ready have it on a second computer. It would not be perfect but I could do 97% of what I do on pc on Linux and best of all its FREE!!!
Have used windows since Windows 95 and if this is the future of Windows then this is my stop and this is where I get off the train. I've been dual booting Mint for a few months now and I'm almost ready to switch away permanently.
I've already begon switching to Linux because of the horrendous privacy on Windows but now I'm even more glad that I am switching because the future of Windows is looking worse and worse with each announcements/ news update
@@dreaper5813 Of course there are still some kinks to work out (for me personally and for the Linux community) but it's great to see an OS improve instead of getting worse And with many of the distros being community driven it's less likely that they'll ruin themselves like big companies love doing with their OS (Like Windows but also Red Hat and Ubuntu sadly) I'd love to hear your experience if you don't mind sharing, like which distros you've tried/are using and which you like or dislike
@@dreaper5813 Yeah Arch is indeed more difficult I'm also looking for a Debian based OS, I've already tried a few but none have really done it for me yet But I've already found like four or five other distros that seem pretty enticing so I'm confident I'll find something that I like
Close to 30 years ago, Larry Ellison of Oracle was pushing “the Network Computer,” essentially a dumb terminal, with the software “in the cloud” [ugh] (a term that would be coined around the same time). It was an idea that died within a few years but rises every so often, zombie-like, from the grave. One can hope only that this latest iteration from Microsoft suffers the same fate, which, judging from the tenor of the comments, it will. People are sick of subscription software models where they are forced to pay “rent” every month.
I'm still using Windows 7...and YES I know the risks. Moving to Windows 10 which I hate, but I will use that until it becomes a risk like Widows 7. After that... I don't know. Not interested in Linux. My mind will probably change on that in the future? Take care all.
@@rickh8380 If you do not have the absolute newest hardware and do not need the latest and greatest software on a daily basis, it is pretty good and stable. I consider the first one given, as your hardware is STILL running Win7 and probably won't even be supported by Win11 because of TPM. And the latter one also.. as you are STILL running Win7. The point is, that it is seriously risky to run Win7 these days. Windows 10 also has a lot of this MS crap going and it is getting worse, constantly advertising and instability. Also the whole UI / UX is extremely inconsistent. They added in more features you don't want and reset your settings on each update, especially if they are related to privacy.. if you can effort the step, just skip the upgrade and leap over to Linux.
I have tired windows 365 a few months ago. Tired it basic im a Mac user, for work I have one program Bluebeam that I need. but after using it for a few days the lack of any graphics or GPU the program didn't work great.
There is no world in which I would be willing to pay a subscription fee for my operating system. There's also no world in which I would accept an operating system that's entirely cloud-based.
I'm not the kind of person who thinks cloud computing is the future. All of this would completely kill Windows for me.
yeah that is why i don't really use the cloud at all aside for when it is necessary, like cloud saves.
Nobara os is great if you don't want to set things up for gaming on Linux. Valve and the Linux community is doing a great job pushing Linux gaming
same. SaaSS sucks.
businesses buy this stuff up because its easier and cheaper than replacing all of their computers
@@Blox117 I mean, can't these businesses just buy a really good PC and run a lot of VMs on the PC? Then buy cheap PCs to connect via a VNC Viewer? Yea, it might be more expensive but at least you get the freedom to choose any OS
Forcing people to pay for an MS365 subscription just to be able to use their PC is one of the best, if not the best ad for Linux I've heard of so far. Thanks Microsoft for doing all this work for us 👍
Exactly. People may laugh every time someone mentions the "year of the Linux desktop" but it seems like Microsoft is trying really hard to make it happen.
Lol
I've been getting tired of how bloated and cobbled-together windows has been. This might be the final push I need to move to Linux lol
@@st.altair4936 “if” you choose to, use either
RegataOS
NobaraOS
PikaOS
Or
Garuda Linux
^^^^^^^^^
[ I don’t like their eye candy]
@@st.altair4936my personal recommendation is RegataOS
no matter what part of the "First world" you are, internet connection can always go down for any number of future-proof reasons. this will mean immediate outage of any productivity or pc usage.
this is an incredibly myopic idea.
perhaps this is when linux finally takes over
Not even just internet. Power goes out, which in turn can disable your internet. You could have a laptop and want to do offline work. Or simply travel.
Linux was already ahead in most departments. The exponential improvement in Linux gaming these past few years made me finally switch to Nobara os this year and it's been very smooth so far.
I switched my parents' laptops to Linux Mint too and they haven't noticed a thing 🗿
not until graphic design and gaming industry decide industry decide to release their apps with native linux support
want to convert to Linux but making apps running in there kinda "difficult" also lots combability issues. for now I'm stuck with Windows 10 (debloated)
@@OFraternaMori You would be surprised with how easy it is to run Windows games on Linux using Valve's Proton on Steam (it works with non Steam games as well)
@@uroboloss I'm not referring to games, I'm more talking about drawing app. already tried open source alternative but not much feature compared that I'm currently use.
Prepare for one or both of the following:
1 being allowed to install only aproved software and extremly limited acces to advanced settings
2 an exploit that allows a third party to browse/modify your files
yea
3. Using linux and have none of those problems
@@no_name4796 yeah but good luck with convincing your parents or coworkers to jumping ships
The 1st thing sounds like Windows 98 when Microsoft shoved Internet Explorer into the OS making other web browsers act slower or not be able to support a lot of webpages.
@@Gibon345 honestly if they dont want to, just let them stay on windows...
I really don't see this cloud based Windows working out. I just don't think people are willing to pay a subscription to use their computer.
Yup. The perfect ad for Linux lol
@@didasmidhat3706 true
If you can use it to play triple A games and edit videos, or do anything that needs a high end PC, then it might be somewhat decent.
The sad thing is that they probably are... if MS makes the changes slow and gradually moves to cloud people will just accept it/wont even notice. Sure quite a lot of people will switch to linux, but the majority will probably just pay the subscription.
You underestimate the stupidity of majority of people. There is a minority who is privacy concerned, they think like you. But unfortunately I believe many people will pay. Yes, for the ability to use their own PCs.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction right now and say that if Windows transitions to being cloud based, AI powered, and only available as a subscription, we will see the largest migration to desktop Linux to date.
Linux would mean having to learn a new system that is less compatible then Windows. I still refuse to use anything higher then Windows 7, and I absolutely refuse to buy any computer with no disk space that relies on the cloud. I also disconnect from the internet when I'm not using it. Higher versions of Windows are ugly, less compatible with good games and programs, and intended to make you relearn all sorts of things plus all the spyware. People will probably just stick with Windows 7 or Windows 10 and not bother upgrading.
Same
By Linux if you mean macOS then yeah I agree with you
@@EmeraldEyesBibleSecrets Less compatible than Windows for what?
IF you ask average joe about linux he answers "whats that"
...And always remember, It's not the "cloud", it's someone else's computer.
Back in the olden days, we called it a mainframe or terminal server.
@@no-stresscat1519 Different things.
@@Gramini Not really. It is just a new version of an old idea. The old network servers used to have server based versions of software and the PC was just a display device to interact with the server based software.
But no-stresscat was just pointing out that the war for control is ending and the "man" has won.
If people are mad when a single player game requires a constant internet connection, then imagine how much backlash Microsoft would get if they make it so you can't use your computer at all unless you're connected to the internet.
This honestly sounds like a dumb idea.
I much rather use Linux.
@@wartortlerulestheworldwe recently broke the 3% desktop market share. I really hope open source wins the user war.
With paid software is getting greedier and greedier I hope we get the big snap where many people decide to quit and we see a huge open source uprising.
you cant install windows and add a local account when you have a active internet connection.. and win11 installer wont even start if you unplug the ethernet cable if im not wrong.. so the online DRM is alive and kicking hard today
@@lokelaufeyson9931 Yeah Google is trying to do their own DRM on the entire Internet.
Next time I build a PC I think I’m going to start the transition over to Linux and setup an embedded VM for windows specific software. The Steamdeck has shown me that Linux has matured a lot in recent years. I don’t trust my files on a Cloud PC
You can do it with some laptops too. Blandmanstudios has an excellent tutorial on it. Only downside is it needs an HDMI dummy plug, and some games don't work in VM
Nowadays you don't Need to vm Windows OS to Run Windows Apps in Linux. "Wine" Runs Windows applications almost natively on Linux. Also there is Proton from Valve for example which lets you Play ALMOST all Games. Proton is an optimized forged Variant of Wine. Some Proton Games Run even better than native in Windows.
It's not about user experience. It's about control. Nudging and eventually forcing all their customers onto the Microsoft cloud where all their data and everything related to their digital lives is accessed makes switching away from the Microsoft ecosystem a much bigger technical challenge. Most PC users don't even know what a gigabyte is so there's really no way for them to leave their Microsoft overlords once they get locked into the cloud.
Apple has their cloud, Amazon has their cloud, Google has their cloud, etc. It's all about locking in customers to their ecosystems with "convenient" subscription models where they may not have access to their data or digital livelihoods if they miss too many payments. Microsoft is the most dangerous of the cloud providers due to how widely used Windows is, but this is a real industry as a whole problem.
Half the battle is user ignorance and unwillingness to learn (time constraints, no interest, etc.) so since they can't make informed decisions themselves, big tech has stepped in to make decisions for them. It amounts to "ignorance is bliss (and profitable)" for the big tech companies.
Before even getting to the privacy issues, one must first tackle the control issue and that requires mandated education to force people to learn. One state has already started. North Dakota has become the first state to require cyber security training in its K-12 school system. I don't know how effective it'll be, but it's a good step in the right direction.
This is by far one of the best comments I have ever read on this subject. Your point about unwillingness to learn is spot on and scares the heck out of me all at the same time. I weep for the future.
The control aspect of your argument I agree with, this is certainly a move that limits consumer freedom. But in terms of that sentence about privacy issues? Not so certain. It’s likely that whatever deployment of windows runs in the cloud will be in a confidential computing environment, like Arm’s CCA, meaning the host (Windows) should only be able to manage resources (allocate/deallocate memory, boot/reboot, etc) to the User, but the contents of any computation should be kept secret from Microsoft and this will be enforced by the hardware and software alike.
Who is being forced to do what though? I still run Windows 7.
Computer and IT work has gotten a lot more muddy and expensive since the the whole move to cloud based services back in 2011. I admit that user ignorance and unwillingness places as big factor on why the tech industry can get away with a lot of this control BS. However, building, running and up keeping a computer now a days is a lot more difficult in both cost and time put in, than say 20 years ago. The thing that has gotten easier is archiving data with hte advent of bigger storage and faster hard drive speeds and transfer rates. The down side is everything seems to have shorter lifespans now. On non archival jobs. Just working with programs is a pain. DRM is a huge problem as when it fisrt began was software based but now it's being baked into the hardware. A good example is UBISOFT introduced DRM that limited the amount of installs you could do for games. I've had my OS drives die multiple times but get locked out after x amount of installs. THen there is powerDVD, that has a horrible DRM on their software that bricks hardware. (Yes, I still use optical media for archival purposes) I had powerDVD installed but after multiple hard drive failures and backing up my OS via image I decided to use some free software. To my shock, my DVD/Blu-ray rom drive was bricked. IT wouldn't let me play any disks disks. Burning functionality acted weird and I was getting region block errors even though Inever set my optical drive to any specified region. Long story short technology isn't as easy to step into now a adays and trouble shoot problems as the manufacturers of both software and hardware seem to be in bed together to make it a lot harder for users to maintain their own systems. Linux is open source and it's cool and all and on the surface seems easier for the general user, but there are a lot of things under the hood that is still very technical and also Linux does have to keep up with the modern standard. Like I'm not sure how some modern network protocol works. Like linux terminal can use packets to install apps and programs. But remember you are putting a trust on where it's calling from. I remember when you still had to have the file downloaded on the computer before using terminal commands to install it. Linux also has things operating in cloud base. All in all regardless of who uses what and even if we put effort into learning to be tech savy in the present today, the user still has to put a good amount of trust on the manufacturer as much of modern computer workings is quite automated now. To me I"m a huge skeptic and it frustrates me that some times I have to take leaps of faith. It's not just learning. As you said, the control issue is within the majority of the tech industry. Hence learning about the current workings of technology isn't enough. It has to be a ground up rebuild. A start from zero rebuild or a start from zero to revert to the golden age before cloud nonsense. By the way I am not some guru. I'm not a very good programmer and networking IT efficiency is not my strong suit. I'm a tinkerer, not a developer nor programmer. But Ive lived long enough to see trends and understand at least how somethings work. Just technology changes at such a break neck speed. I bet something that I just educated myself today on how some software works, and is coded 4 months from now becomes outdated. It call comes down to the point is that developers and manufacturers are playing the fast pace game that tehcnology moves at such a neck breaking speed it is quite difficult to keep up. And this is done on purpose, to make it as hard as possible for the general public all so the tech companies have the users trust blindly and keep control on knowledge. Sure with effort it's not hard, but it's always a catch up game. Technology has reached a point where it is advancing so rapidly, humans can't keep up and fully understand how it works. Well at least the general public that takes interest in technology.
@@Haiyami You need not worry about Linux keeping up with the times. Windows and MacOS both borrow things from Linux all the time and Linux runs on the vast majority of all Internet servers and the Linux kernel powers Android, routers, and switches so you don't need to worry about it keeping up with the latest protocols out there either.
As for DRM, most of it doesn't work on Linux so you're not going to need worry it bricking your hardware. lol
Linux isn't something to worry about, it's something to learn from. Even if you never touch a Linux system in your life, you still rely on the work that gets done by people working on Linux (even the Microsoft cloud servers run on Linux). :)
Does no one rememember the disaster that was Google Stadia? Cloud based anything almost guarantees that only those with quality internet will be able to consistently use it. Basing an entire OS on Cloud alone is doomed to fail. Have it be an option, not the default.
yea. with the latency on even very good wifi
good luck in usa, the internet is mostly crap in usa.. bad speeds and too many using it at the same time
Now, think about dozen of thousand of people (in the MS's plans) using this cloud version at same time; There will no quality internet anymore, no matter where you are.
Yes
@@joseeduardobolisfortes imagine the difficulty if you want to install a simple adblocker..
Say hello to trusted installer, your best new forced friend
" The Next WINDOWS You Use Could Be Very Different! " - Yes. It's called WINE.
keep on whining
I've already started ricing my distro of choice
Lol no.
Wine is not perfect and requires a lot of tweaking to get some software working and some software straight up just doesn't work
😂😂
Ahoy, I'm old enough to remember when I logged in on my terminal to use a PDP11. All the rage then was how soon we'd all have a real computer on our desk, no remote system needed. Using an OS in the "cloud" (stupid term for server farm) takes me right back to the good old days of a terminal and a mainframe. Such progress! That would be just the thing I needed to move the rest of the way to Linux. From an old OS/2 Warpserver tech, daveyb
As a sysadmin who handles and maintains all bigger clouds (Azure, AWS, GCP), the Azure is the one we have most issues with, most down times and underlying hardware breakages and just some real downtimes due to infra issues like datacenter networking failures. Just the AVD virtual desktop solution is constant source of headaches. The UI experience on their portal is something that makes you wish for thermonuclear war in case you have to do anything repetive there. It's designed completely for touch screens they say. For me it is a display window how one mega corporation can create far inferior and more expensive solution and hamstring it into everywhere since decision makers just do not know better or care enough.
There is no way I am going for subscription and cloud based OS, especially made and maintained by Microsoft just because I see a bit behind the curtains. Oh well due to restrictiveness and general bloat in win 11 I have already made a choice to move completely to Linux with my next rig and at last once support for Win 10 ends.
I've been having a nice ride on OpenSuse Tumbleweed, for what it's worth.
A future in which nobody owns anything and has no control about what is being sent towards MS-Servers whatsoever is very depressing. This can't possibly be the way to go for everybody. To use a cloud-pc is like using someone else's notebook as your personal diary. Maybe I am to pessimistic, but I can't help myself in these times.
Dang i love microsoft being able to read all my private files
Windows 7 was the pinnacle. It just gets progressively worse after that. I know there are security concerns, and I do need to have a Windows 10 PC to play certain games, but if people can design code to hack Windows, then can't private people also create new security updates for Windows 7?
its like facebook or google 5th reply
"You will own nothing and be happy" - Every famous person ever.
@@marioalexanderski9598 Yes, because they put all their assets into a corporation sole which they control, but for legal liability reasons they don't actually own it. No one can take it away, not even the government.
It's basically Google's ChromeOS with some extra steps.
"The cloud is just someone else's computer" really hits home. If you are using a cloud VM as your computer, it is not your computer.
Moving to a age where we don’t own anything on the computer.
You will own nothing and be happy.
As someone who is both a software developer and video editor (using Adobe software), the idea that I could have my IDE and Premiere Pro running in the cloud, then just stream that to wherever I am is kind of appealing. It means I could carry around a really light laptop and as long as I have a stable connection, edit from anywhere. In fact, in software development, we’re already seeing the growing trend of “remote development environments”, where all the actual compute is done on a remote server, with just the development environment UI running locally, connected back to the remote environment.
This is nothing new. This is just the latest iteration of the old Mainframe and 3270 terminals connected to it except that now the terminal is a little fancy and 'beefier', capable of doing some actual computing locally and the 'Mainframe' is the cloud. It is not even the first time that they think about it; Sun tried to make it happen in the late 90's (I think it was called "Network PCs"?) where the computer was again a dumb terminal that was capable of running some Java applets and it predictably failed because neither Java nor internet connectivity were at a point where something like this could be feasible. It does work on corporate environments as it has been proven by Citrix, MS Terminal Server and the likes where companies can set up workstations however they seem fit but obviously this is not ideal for a consumer oriented product.
If you really need to have some sort of 'desktop on the cloud' sort of deal to complement your daily computing needs, /me thinks that you would be better served renting a powerful VPS somewhere and then set up Apache Guacamole. Not only you can have everything set up exactly as you need but it will end up WAY cheaper then going with a MS subscription that, make no mistake, at some point they're going to gouge the price and twist the knife on your back.
It would probably cost a quite a bit to get enough performance for video editing from cloud computing.
Good luck getting the Adobe licence management to accept that.
There is no way I'm coming back to Windows for THIS...
When windows 10 reaches end of service time I am sure that Microsoft will do what they did with XP, drag it out with security patches only and scare their user base into upgrading their hardware, to keep the whole ball rolling.
they have started with the scare tactics now, "no updates" "no security" and the normal "every windows user is a idiot that have no clue how to use a computer or stay safe on the internet" But we can trust windows to keep us safe...
Requiring usage of cloud though, will be the point of lot of people switching over to any other available OS. There is plenty of people who have poor internet connections where using something cloud-based is basically impossible
I still refuse to use anything higher then Windows 7, and I absolutely refuse to buy any computer with no disk space that relies on the cloud. I also disconnect from the internet when I'm not using it. Higher versions of Windows are ugly, less compatible with good games and programs, and intended to make you relearn all sorts of things plus all the spyware and tyranny nonsense. LINUX might be a good idea, but I'm worried about compatibility, learning curve, and things like that. I just want more of what I'm familiar with, not having all this stuff I don't want crammed down my neck.
@@EmeraldEyesBibleSecrets there might be a day when the only solution is linux, there is no other better choice no matter the issues and whatnot
Disgusting the big tech companies pay lip service to the environment whilst condemning huge numbers of perfectly serviceable computers to landfill once Windows 10 support is dropped.
This would be horrible on many sides. Especially ownership and privacy,
Microsoft is just pushing the whole "Own nothing, be happy" thing on Windows, and while some of the things about it sound exciting (modular Windows installs? Hell yeah!), I'd still rather have some control over my technology. And using Linux has never been easier, or more convenient! Wine can run Windows stuff, and Linux itself has a massive ton of open-source alternatives to all the software on Windows. I think there never was a better time to switch than now.
I tried
3 hours in, I was so confused I went back to Windows and never looked back
Open-source Software is amazing, but unless it has a strong presence behind it to push it in a direction, like the Blender foundation, it's too decentralised to really get a grip on what option is better than the other 10.000 options
@@Soguwei once had that mindset but something you can do is get familiar with the software on windows or use virtual machines to get into linux without losing what you need now
Apparently to some ret... excuse me to some _special people_ Linux is too hard and "confusing" they can't even open the browser or install apps from the graphical app store unless the OS is an identical copy of their beloved Windows. These people are a lost cause and cannot be saved, Microsoft will always own them, for everyone else though Linux is the way, they just need to give it an honest try.
I've been using various Linux distros since 2006 and I still keep running into issues when it come to hardware support. I want to switch to Linux, but that isn't an option when the software I use and the games I play don't run well because of hardware incompatibilities. No I'm not buying new hardware just to run Linux on my PC.
Another issue is I'm near deaf in one ear and no Linux distro offers mono support that combines the channels. The mono codex is just awful, producing a tinny and distorted sound. It's unusable. Windows, Android, and even iOS all offer quality mono for the hearing impaired. You just toggle a setting and it's done. Most people are not going to switch unless it comes on a new PC and it's well configured.
@@AJ-po6up have you ever considered that people that don't have your high equine penthouse just don't want to have to set up an operating system that then doesn't have the decades of research windows has on how to make an unintuitive thing like a computer usable?
That maybe your holy fucking Linux wouldn't even be half as usable without Windows?
That maybe some people just don't like the way Linux works and prefer Windows
Then again, you're using a derogatory slur that hasn't been used for nearly 20 years, seems you're just trapped in the past
Not trying to get all paranoic and "cyberpunked" here but really, these corporations are doing everything for us to depend on them and only on them.
Your right we must fight back for our freedom.
Freeeeedom!! *lift up my kilt*
I really doubt anything like this would ever happen cause it seems kinda... dumb and wasteful? But in case it happens, we, the adorable penguin OS users, are waiting for you all ❤🐧
Yeah Linux is better then Windows.
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I can see a cloud version of Windows being used in offices with fixed workplaces. But I can hardly imagine all the people who spend a lot of money to get a cool case (and a lot more of course) for their PC being happy with that - my partner included.
I like this idea though because of its aspect of accessibility though. With Google Stadia for example I could play games that aren’t available on Mac. I also saw lots of uses for it in settings that didn’t have the means to get a console. Same concept for a cloud version of Windows I think. The only thing that worries me a bit is how much of an impact that would have on the environment. With rendering farms and stuff being a given, how much more processing power and space would be necessary for all the machines running Windows somewhere to be streamed to users. Yeah, one machine can run multiple OS, but I think making a cloud version of any OS available on a broader scale would be a challenge.
I don't like the idea of a cloud based OS. That being said, even when you use a local OS you still run a computer, so I don't think it will have any more impact on the environment (it may even be more environmentally friendly, than millions of pcs being run separately, if you think about it)
@@DarkMugCloud servers are VERY energy intensive. Some of them not very "eco" friendly. Such as some of Amazon's AWS servers being cooled with water from a nearby river that's already drying up. (I'm not saying personal at home PCs aren't to blame for energy consumption, but cloud based technology is still very power-hungry)
@@toriitoraa true
@@toriitoraa I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that, isn't it still better than the same amount of power being dissipated into different places
Cloud computing is fine as an option, but I don't think we've reached a point where the average person would throw away their laptop to stream windows on their tablet. The people who cannot afford a desktop/laptop likely also cannot pay an yearly or monthly subscription and the decent fixed internet connection that'd required for doing so. Chances are if you can buy their subscription, you already have the capacity to get something to do emails, spreadsheets, and video calls. Feels like the same problem with those projects that add desktop modes to mobile OSes (like samsung dex), it's cool but what are you providing the end consumer that cannot be achieved with a cheap or used laptop, while requiring them to conveniently have access to a desktop/tablet size screen wherever they go.
Core os thing sounds more interesting, it'd be good if they allowed you to download any additional packages (like win32 compatibility) if you require it even after install, otherwise a lot of people will be stuck with whatever their OEMs decided was the best for them.
When your company is big enough, you yourself become the thing that destroys you. This is microsoft...
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian
Every time you think your hardware is finally catching up to the bloated OS, they find some new way to suck away the performance gains. I just don't see how something like this works in a high security environment like DoD or even as a server OS.
Don’t be an idiot nobody uses windows as a server since 2004
Then change your operating system. My Linux system is only getting better and better.. for real, it has improved so much within the last year.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan don't suggest that to a windows fanboy. They get upset.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan Here is the problem with changing. Linux might be fine if you don't do much more than web browsing. But I have at least thirty applications that I use regularly. I know this because every time I buy a new computer, I spend days reinstalling them. Some are things like the Adobe Lightroom that I am pretty sure will not run on Linux. Also, my email clients - I really don't want to lose my old emails. But the real kicker is that I write software for a living, including Windows desktop applications. So basically, I have thirty years of investment in Windows. I have no idea what will migrate and what won't. And I would rather continue my fight with Windows than take on a new fight to learn a new OS. I married Microsoft in the 90s and it is too expensive to get a divorce.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan if only BSD had a larger use case.
I have been on Windows since the days of 3.1, DoS, N T 4.0 etc. exciting times in the world of computers and OS. But its time to jump ship into Linux.
by the way the if you remember Terminal services and Citrix thin client technologies this Windows 365 kind reminds me of that.
Having tons of ai and cloud computing sounds horrible I don't want Microsoft seeing everything I do on their pc. Id also be able to lose access to my files because they feel like it, we can't let this happen
Windows11 sometimes has 11 ui
Sometimes have 10 ui
Sometimes have 7 ui
Sometimes have xp ui
They should fix that first in my opinion
ye lol
I'm gonna be a little snarky and say that we had this offline cloud computing for years. We called that a computer. Not only were the files offline but also the OS and the hardware and you could keep the entire stack running without an internet connection.
I feel like MS365 and the cloud stuff is just a numbers push. It's so easy to just make a functioning OS for casual end users. They've been doing it for decades and came to an end with that with Windows 8.
It's like they spend all their time thinking "How can we make our customers do X and Y" without ever thinking about the people who just don't want it.
We are going to lose all our freedom to cloud computing (it's not even a cloud just someone elses computer) and ai. I'm not even being a fanboy here but more should switch to Linux
When this starts happening we need to start more aggressively advertising linux. Most people dont even know about it, and those that do probably associate it with hackers, nerds, it being difficult and only for programmers, the annoying elitists on the internet... We neeed to advertise it at the right time and in the right way, so people start associating it with privacy, freedom, choice... with what it really is
Your are right.
the more i learn where windows is headed, the more attractive linux distros look.
Fr specially since the Linux community has already made distros like Nobara os that take care of the set-up for playing Windows games on Linux
People aren’t trying to use Windows. People are trying to use the programs you can install on Window.
Always switch to open source alternatives that support more than just Windows. If you have to use Windows specifically for your job or something, maybe it's time to start looking for a job with more flexibility in operating systems/software.
dual boot works, one OS that tell daddy about everything you do and one that keep silent.. make sure that you keep all your personal info on the one that keep silent
@@davidrozier1126 lol, change jobs?
I am not switching to 11. Yet.
11 is good tbh
i understand, but I am worried about the compatibility of my current apps and programs. and also everything else, the main thing for me is keyboard shortcuts...
@@DorAntCr theres not too many compatibility issues but it's not flawless so if thats holding you back its a legit concern
The moment Windows goes cloud is the moment I stop updating period and once it becomes unsafe, switch to linux.
"Becomes unsafe"? Lol it already tracks an unbelievable amount of private user data and is pretty much the only os targeted by malware.
You can't stop Microsoft tracking you even if you disable everything; they don't care about user consent. The PC Security Channel made a great video on it.
I recommend Nobara os for Linux so you don't have to set anything up to Windows games on it.
I want to switch to Linux but the compatibility and having to do extra stuff to run some software killed it for me.
Depends what are you doing on windows..
What exactly was not compatible for you? Most software can just be run without a lot of extra steps, games are pretty easy these days.
It depends a lot on your distribution, as the preinstalled packages can make it way easier and a modern Kernel / driver packages can improve your experience vastly.
@MichaelDustter Yeah.. some older Adobe stuff might work on WINE and it comes without a subscription.
For most software, there are alternatives. The main difference between Windows and Linux is, that Linux gets better every day.. while Windows does the opposite.
linux isnt for everyone, it works in a different way. You need to learn stuff and do a few steps manually. Not everything is one button to click in linux.
Thats why i love linux, i know and see everything it does and i tell it what to do. But as i said, linux isnt for everyone. Not everyone can fly a plane.. its not like driving a car
@MichaelDustter nobodys saying this is going to happen yet. even still who pays for windows?
Big fan of the audio-only approach!
Microsoft 365 already got banned in German schools because of the GDPR law.For Microsoft to even remotely to make this work, they'll need to start setting up servers in Europe.
As with internet, there are still outages, with a local OS you can always use your device offline.
There are just to many cons to this.
I feel like EU is the only white knight fighting the war against these companies
Thanks so much for adding that notice in the beginning that said this video can be enjoyed just-audio!
I'm super disappointed no one else is really broadcasting this concern. As much as it seems cool to virtually access you computer, there are just too many problems and concerns that it won't work for the majority of users. I do think that after Windows 10 EoL, Linux will have a much bigger OS market share. The problem is the convivence of Windows is just too good, but could be solved by adding that level of convenience to a Linux distro anyways...
modern linux is really convenient... arguably more than windows for the average user
@@anonimes4005I personally don't think that's the case yet. It's getting close but when I installed Fedora I still had to do some additional steps that Windows didn't really need for me to have everything ready.
Though tbh there are parts where Linux already wins when it comes to convenience (installing apps, drivers).
I think Windows is still more convenient for now.
@MichaelDustter
In linux you need to explicitely setup disk automounting, which requires modifying fstab which isn't really user friendly (I have tried KDE automounting but that requires sudo after every boot, so that isn't very convenient either).
Function key shortcuts are automatically set up on windows while only some work on linux (brighness, sound, and touchpad works for example, but for locking account, disabling camera and such which my laptop has a shortcuts for, I needed to add manually).
Playing games on linux is still less convenient than windows from time to time and you need to do stuff like adding command line arguments, installing custom versions of proton or use protontricks.
Battery life is also pretty decent on windows out of the box, but on linux needs some tweaking with tlp, powertop or auto-cpufreq which from what I have noticed isn't set up by default on distributions.
While drivers usually work very well when they are included in the kernel, if they are not, you will need to download them manually, unlike windows where this is done in the background using windows update.
These aren't a deal breaker, but they do make linux a bit less convenient than windows in my opinion.
@MichaelDustter Yeah I agree with you. Linux isn't as convenient as Windows, but it's pretty close.
Also that GNOME disk management tool, is it available for KDE? If it is then I might actually use it since the KDEs option sucks and me modifying fstab directly actually made my system unbootable once.
The internet had the same scare with Office 365 and see where we are now. We still have local up-to-date versions of Office!
Anyone seriously suggesting a cloud OS for regular consumers should go to an area without reliable fiber Internet and try using a remote desktop. It's simply not a usable solution for a lot of people on top of the issues of control/privacy.
If a future Windows version will require a subscription fee then I'll stop using Windows altogether. I have already mostly migrated to Linux with gaming being the only reason I even keep Windows on my personal machine. Most Windows games in my library already work with Proton so it's not like I would have to sacrifice a lot by switching fully to Linux.
Best ad yet for Linux. The more I hear, the more glad I am that I made the jump over a decade ago.
What distro do you usev
@@iluvpandas2755 Mint + Mate.
So they're intending to make Windows even worse...
Yes, hard to imagine that it COULD get any worse, isn't it! But, GO Microsoft! If it ain't broke, it soon will be.
Linux about to get to 50% market share
@@urimc no, actually, 80% market share. probably. linux only has 3% market share, but it's definitely, definitely, gonna go up.
Yes pretty much just use Linux after Windows 10 EOL.
i use arch btw
i use arch btw
i use arch btw
@MichaelDustter no problem as long as it's linux 🤠👍
Everything I've heard about Windows 12 thus far sounds like Microsoft chasing trends - A.I and cloud-based computing - instead of delivering an operating system that people will want to use. I'm a Linux guy and we're practically required to have it in for Windows, but I hope this fails solely on the basis that all of these new features sound really dumb and like a hassle for users.
The interesting thing with this is that if it fails, most users will just stay on an old version of windows instead of doing something like switching to Linux. And if the amount of people not upgrading is large enough microsoft might just backtrack and release a os that people will like and actually upgrade to. This has been proven with windows 8; people hated it and stayed on win7 instead of switching to Linux but then when win10 was actually good they upgraded
Microsoft changing trends is similar to what happened with Windows 8 when in the early 2010s touch-screen smartphones and tablets were becoming popular to the point Microsoft implemented the infamous Start Screen for tablets which didn't make sense for regular mouse-and-keyboard computers. Microsoft didn't even care to make Windows 8 useful for mouse-and-keyboard computers and they only cared about the touch screen trends.
i would say that AI is a great way to collect data, so its a investment for microsoft but its also a win situation when it comes to data. People blocked cortana or didnt allow it to talk to daddy and i think microsoft is angry for it still..
For those that are going to use this (hope none..), hopefully you will be able to host your own cloud service locally so that you don't necessarily need an active internet connection to be able to access your PC/Workstation.
Your own cloud locally? You mean a NAS on your home network? A cloud storage is what that is, a NAS, but it’s someone else’s NAS that you’re renting space on. The only thing is if you’re allowing access for yourself and maybe others that you want, to your NAS from the internet, which is of course convenient, you have to carefully consider the security aspect of that. Multi billion dollar companies’ systems have been broken into by hackers so it isn’t far fetched that us individual’s can be very vulnerable too. The cyber criminals are relentless in trying find holes anywhere and everywhere to steal money. That’s what it really comes down to.
Windows 11 killed it for me for about 75% of my computer use and I switched to Linux. This vision of Windows "12" (or Windows Cloud) would kill it totally. Sorry, I do not want to pay for yet another subscription for a "thin Client". When the power or Internet goes down (or is put down by a Cyber attack) we will all be banjaxed. For Microsoft, it is all about a revenue stream.
2:48 ewewew that's incredibly creepy
Yup. Let's enable parents to be even more helicopter and destroy their childs' sense of privacy. That sure won't make them, I don't know, be vulnerable to toxic people on the dating world when they are adults because they think being able to just see what you are doing on your device at any time is a normal thing
I hate how everything requires a subscriptions to use a product
Maybe implement a hybrid operating system that uses system hardware for lightweight tasks and uses the cloud for heavy tasks
Do it vice versa: cloud for lightweight tasks, and local for heavy, time critical tasks..
Linux supremacy
I am happy that I use Linux since a few years and I don't need anything from windows anymore.
Its time for Linux to shine.
Inb4 every computer people "own" is going to be turned into a Thin client because "cloud"
How to have win365 at home:
Step 1: get a pc
Step 2: install chrome remote desktop it as well as the pc (or phone) you want to connect with
Step 3: Do all the setup thing it wants you to do
Step 4: Connect to the pc
Step 5 (Optional, but reccomended): For the best experience, go into the settings by clicking the arrow on the right hand side of the screen and changine the video encoder to AV1, enable high quality colour, and the max fps to 60 or whatever is the highest
Adobe Cloud subscription forced me to leave Photoshop. Office 365 forced to to leave MS Office, now Windows 365 will force me to leave Windows all together.
Sounds cool for the fist second until you quickly realize, oh crap my whole computer's worth of info would be under lock and key by someone else. At least a cloud service you pick and choose what files are available on the cloud. This new version would be like your landlord sitting in your kitchen 24/7 staring at you. Used computer prices will soar if this gets popular. Save all your old hardware folks lol. Phones too.
I'm strongly for heavy restrictions on commercial AI usage and what Microsoft wants to do here is beyond that
I left Windows in 2017 for Linux Mint and I haven't looked back. Right now I am saving up for a System 76 machine for my next computer. I hear Pop OS is a pretty good OS.
This really gives hackers the ability to hack multiple companies at once instead of one at a time. Tell me this can never happen and I'll sell you a bridge in New York cheap. Oh, and I"m not paying a subscription to use my computer. Not now, not ever.
Thanks for keeping the vidoes audio focused, they're great background noise
Well in terms of work I guess there's no option, my work laptop is provided by the company i work for. But for my personal computer I really value my privacy, so my desktop I'll be trying to use Linux and for djing i guess it will be a macbook or an ipad.
Nobara OS takes care of the set-up to run windows games on Linux btw. Made my switch very easy this past year.
@@didasmidhat3706 yea. noabora os is a great fork of fedora and it works great with wine and proton. great os
I strongly object to an OS that requires a constant connection to an account that constantly sends data to Microsoft. I've had several issues with Windows in the past. I found myself needing to reinstall the OS on my PC every six months just to maintain stability, and it recently started breaking down within a month.
I've experienced issues like not being able to sign in with Windows Hello, or the system not accepting my pin after sleep/hibernation. On two separate occasions, I was locked out of my personal devices, having to wait for 2 hours each time.
Moreover, with Windows 10, the OS has transformed into an advertising platform. It continually nags you with suggestions like "Want to try MS365?" or "Just try Edge." There seems to be no genuine option to refuse these offers, as the prompt has shifted from 'Yes' and 'No' to 'Yes' and 'Later.' This implies an inevitable adoption of these services.
I've given up on Windows after the release of Windows 11, transitioning to Linux instead. I've left my Windows history behind and now use Linux daily. It's a breath of fresh air to return to an OS that simply performs its primary function without any nuisances or forced actions.
Ill stay on Windows 10 anyway. And when the support updates end, I'll switch to Linux. That's it. I don't like the idea of accessing everything through the internet, I want my files on a physical SSD that I can remove from my PC anytime I want. And even worse: Paying a monthly fee to JUST USE MY COMPUTER? Crazy. Also: Nowadays, where privacy is almost non-existant, I wont let them take my last bit of privacy (them not being able to track what I do when I plug my internet out) from me.
@lindenreaper8683 I'm already using Kali Linux for software not available for Windows.
No cloud base anything. All your documents will be scanned and tag. Then you get advertisements base on your documents. With your pictures then can piece together your family and friends. Scary times are coming
i think as soon as a few more things work on linux im ditching windows entirely for mint or something
Yeah same and things are looking good, especially with the steam deck really giving a boost to Linux gaming. And for anything that I need windows for ill just use a VM.
What does not work for you?
@@5Hydroxytryptophan For Honor
@@friendhaus1858 Good news: It is supported since 2-3 months. Newer games are often released with support.. older ones take some time sometimes. Only a few are not supported, because the developer decides so.
I can’t imagine the delay and bitrate with a cloud-based windows
i was a long term windows user from win xp era..and even before i knew this will happen i ditched win 11 and moved to debian..wrong move MS i see rise of linux marketshare in 2025:D
If that ever happens, how long will it be till the OS becomes a subscription service? Then Linux share of the market will explode..
So Microsoft will own you, your files, and know everything you do in much more detail, with the ability to cut you off at anytime, and you lose everything. Not sure this is a smart move. 1984 here we come.
Windows 11 can run on legacy computers, the TPM thing can be overridden.
What next? DNA fingerprinting in order to set up M$ account?? Requires taking 2 doses of COnVID 💉💉 just to log in to your PC?? Spyware on another level. No surprise here especially when you discover that the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers own all governments and banks. 1984 is becoming the truth.
Windows 365… honest question: Who’s asking for this, really?
I remember back in the day when I had to work in an office *and* didn’t have a laptop (so, desktop PC’s only), but… this as a solution seems like a step backward given it’s internet-bound and thus not only fickle but also would be higher latency. And, if that weren’t an issue (maybe it’s not always streamed) then what about privacy? What about sync time? Etc.
Linux desktop marketshare has been growing recently and the companies seem dedicated to keep it that way.
Eventually, this will make it so that it's the default on which all software works. I think this is great. Can't wait for M$ to die.
If I already go mad when my PC goes offline because my internet provider has outtages randomly, imagine losing access to my ENTIRE pc when that happens. Sound super reliable to not be able to get ANY work done if the internet goes out.
If Windows ever moves to a cloud service with no offline options, that will be the end of my time using Windows. I'm already highly considering moving to Linux on my desktop once support for 10 ends, there are just a few proprietary programs holding me back from just making the move right now.
Do it. Just do it! but seriously tho you can try it in a vm or a live usb, and those proprietary programs might work just fine with proton. Also you can dual boot (apparently it tends to break, but thats probably just if u install them on the same disk. I used to dual boot linux and windows on different disks and it worked perfectly.)
@@anonimes4005 I already have it on a few of my laptops and really enjoy it! I've used Mint and Kubuntu mainly. I upgraded my SSD in my desktop recently so I may use the old one as a separate disk to install Kubuntu on to dual boot since my board has two m.2 slots. I'd have to see what's out there to get the proprietary programs (namely Vegas Pro & a few various Adobe programs) running well on Linux. I'll worry about it more as Windows 10's EOL date draws closer though, no rush right now.
CEO of Valve must be a genius. He singlehandedly is readying linux to be a great alternative for gaming with the steamdeck, proton and steamos
Super informative video as always! Thank you again for the advice that your video can just play in the background! Really appreciate it!
goodbye windows hello Linux , that's a killing blow for windows, do it, it dare you
Ty for making this an audio only option. Your awesome
Lmao it's becoming _even more_ bloated and unsafe?
Glad I switched to Linux. Has been a very smooth ride for this past year. Haven't run into a windows game yet that doesn't run on Linux too with Nobara os
same. i'm using fedora and had barely, if any, problems with it. i can run every windows game i have.
Kudos for the choice of Nobara. Not a widely known distro but I've been playing with it for the past year, and its a massive time saver having so many small issues that affect gaming / content creation already fixed in Nobara.
I have no idea where this is going, but for now I'm sticking with windows 10 and nothing else.
I'm wary of any cloud solution. The Tech sector has a poor track record in that regard. If Microsoft moves to more of a thin client architecture, Linux will likely have a strong future for local robust operating systems.
EDIT: While I'm thinking about it, It's a brilliant solution to their problems. The big issue is that the best features are the biggest problem for the people that do care about them. Namely, no small number of us. I also worry that the ToS on cloud services like this could be used to effectively wall undesirables out of digital society with little recourse. Think what AWS did to Parler.
whats tos
@@SamOlds2999 Terms of Service. Basically, what you agree to in order to use the software. Depending on the specific terms, they can be selectively used to freeze anyone off a platform.
Your channel is awesome. I always learn something.
I'm using Windows 10 until EOL. After that, if there is an offline Windows version, I will switch to that, if not, I already dual-boot Linux, so why not stick with it?
I mean, that windows installation is wasted hard drive space already. Considering windows 10 is also spyware, personally I'd uninstall it if I were you.
@@subjectnether959 many things you cannot run without windows, plus everything that I need "privacy" for is already on Linux and completely encrypted. 70GB windows is also nothing for a 4TB drive. So I'm not worrying.
@@altaccount648 Totally reasoneable, one thing i recommend is to also force only security updates to avoid windows from touching the grub at maximum, this can be possible with CTT debloat tool, good luck on your journey.
Hell no! If they push windows to the cloud, it will be a big boom for LINUX and it will instantly become my primary OS from that point forward.
I can't imagine any intelligent person or corporation wanting their information stored on a Windows cloud server to be possibly hacked or stolen. I think what little privacy you have would be at the sole discretion of Microsoft?
Support companies wont like the cloud PC concept, they cant store the customer data on a 3rd party location where unknown people can see it. So ms will loose the support companies if they go full cloud
A lot of companies would like the cloud OS idea - providing they were running it on their own servers. There are third-party programs to do that today. It's great for giving users remote access while making it very hard for them to smuggle data out (short of screen-capturing) or smuggle data in (ie, no sneaky users putting pirate movies on the company equipment). But I don't think that is Microsoft's intention here: If they did it that way, how would they make money off it? But if they and they alone are providing the cloud, they have a captive market and subscription revenue.
i was thinking about a cloud pc last night for the first time.. well now i know its coming to life.
time to switch to linux
Pushing Windows to the cloud for everyone is farfetched. If this is true, I think this will be very niche in terms of use case. But I think, right now, it is more like they are pushing to make each Windows PC communicate/connect easi-err
its logical, easier ways to connect users with their services also means easier for microsoft to pick up the user information. Its a win-win situation. If the user block windows they cant use their OS.. no way to get out of the bubble
Also, a way to entirely control your online experience. They will control what apps you can use, what content you can watch or interact with, they will have complete control over your banking information, what games you can play, all of it. You will not own your PC you merely rent it.
@@Tempestan jepp, welcome to microsofts dream and final goal.
I must admit I use Windows as VM for 10 years now. I have a beefy server that gets all my monetary attention. So having Windows as a service is nothing new. Downside is you cant do realtime stuff effectively, as 3D and video gets compressed and audio has some delay. Anything else thou is a blessing. Especially management becomes 10x easier.
cloud based operating systems are awful. there's no privacy whatsoever.
"The cloud is just someone else's computer"
aah that would be PERFECT for my laptop with the worst internet, no lag at all
My feelings are simple MY DATA stays on MY hard drive . If they force everyone on the cloud I go to Linux mint .I all ready have it on a second computer. It would not be perfect but I could do 97% of what I do on pc on Linux and best of all its FREE!!!
Have used windows since Windows 95 and if this is the future of Windows then this is my stop and this is where I get off the train.
I've been dual booting Mint for a few months now and I'm almost ready to switch away permanently.
I've already begon switching to Linux because of the horrendous privacy on Windows but now I'm even more glad that I am switching because the future of Windows is looking worse and worse with each announcements/ news update
@@dreaper5813 Of course there are still some kinks to work out (for me personally and for the Linux community) but it's great to see an OS improve instead of getting worse
And with many of the distros being community driven it's less likely that they'll ruin themselves like big companies love doing with their OS (Like Windows but also Red Hat and Ubuntu sadly)
I'd love to hear your experience if you don't mind sharing, like which distros you've tried/are using and which you like or dislike
@@dreaper5813 Yeah Arch is indeed more difficult
I'm also looking for a Debian based OS, I've already tried a few but none have really done it for me yet
But I've already found like four or five other distros that seem pretty enticing so I'm confident I'll find something that I like
Close to 30 years ago, Larry Ellison of Oracle was pushing “the Network Computer,” essentially a dumb terminal, with the software “in the cloud” [ugh] (a term that would be coined around the same time). It was an idea that died within a few years but rises every so often, zombie-like, from the grave. One can hope only that this latest iteration from Microsoft suffers the same fate, which, judging from the tenor of the comments, it will. People are sick of subscription software models where they are forced to pay “rent” every month.
I'm still using Windows 7...and YES I know the risks. Moving to Windows 10 which I hate, but I will use that until it becomes a risk like Widows 7. After that... I don't know. Not interested in Linux. My mind will probably change on that in the future? Take care all.
Give Linux a try. ;)
It's pretty good these days, depending on your use case of course.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan I will thanks. Just get so tired of MS crap. I was looking into Linux Mint 21
@@rickh8380 If you do not have the absolute newest hardware and do not need the latest and greatest software on a daily basis, it is pretty good and stable.
I consider the first one given, as your hardware is STILL running Win7 and probably won't even be supported by Win11 because of TPM. And the latter one also.. as you are STILL running Win7. The point is, that it is seriously risky to run Win7 these days.
Windows 10 also has a lot of this MS crap going and it is getting worse, constantly advertising and instability. Also the whole UI / UX is extremely inconsistent. They added in more features you don't want and reset your settings on each update, especially if they are related to privacy.. if you can effort the step, just skip the upgrade and leap over to Linux.
I have tired windows 365 a few months ago. Tired it basic im a Mac user, for work I have one program Bluebeam that I need. but after using it for a few days the lack of any graphics or GPU the program didn't work great.
privacy nightmare. glad i switched to Linux