Honestly, the average user does not care whether the OS was built from ground up or whatever security bullshit they try to shove down everyone's throat. What people care about is feature parity with whatever there was in the past. If features that were taken for granted in a previous version are literally missing, that's not an upgrade. Switching from Windows 7 to Windows 10 was relatively painless simply because Windows 10 at least had feature parity with Windows 7. It's been 2 years and there's still no way to have a vertical task bar (something that Windows XP could do mind you). After all that progress, Windows 11 feels like a skinned Windows 98 from a feature perspective. I'm not here to look for alternatives and registry edits to get something that was standard in past operating systems. If I have to tinker so much, I'd rather just use Linux which is far more customizable (which I use for work anyway).
@lindenreaper8683 Depends on what you use. If you're using Arch, tinkering is a requirement. Fedora requires some tinkering to setup but is otherwise fine. Ubuntu and Pop OS pretty much work out of the box.
The reason a lot of features went missing is because Microsoft opted to rebuild several parts of the UX from the ground up. The Windows 11 taskbar is a completely new, for example, and I assume at launch they just hadn’t gotten around to adding the drag and drop feature to it yet.
@@TagetesAlkesta Honestly this shows how greedy of a company they are ; unless there exists a potential financial interest, they will quite simply not even bother considering implementing anything the community is asking for, or even requires.
@@lindenreaper8683 I long for the day the European Union will put a legal end to their monopoly. Once users are asked to install OSes themselves, Linux will have the upper hand ; that being said, it is already gaining traction significantly partially thanks to Valve's work.
honestly the 2 biggest thing that still annoy the hell out of me is the inability to set the "more options" context menu as default behaviour and the inability to enable small taskbar icons. the taskbar felt so fucking massive compared to 10 with small icons when i first upgraded and the amount of time i've wasted at this point manually opening the proper context menu is insane.
I've gotten to a point where I make Shift+Right Click my default behavior in File Explorer. I just don't do a normal right click by itself in File Explorer anymore 🙃
@@DRSDavidSoft Graphical App support for WSL without installing an X11 Server. Dark Mode in Notepad. Mostly because Windows 10 will probably end of life sooner than Windows 11. However, I think you are right, there is no feature of Windows 11 that I need. Do you use Windows 11 or Windows 10? Why do you prefer running one over the other?
@@Burnr-hw6zs That's an interesting feature that I wasn't aware of! 👍 I personally still use Cygwin instead of WSL/2 for various reasons, and have never bothered to use any GUI enabled apps with it. I also personally use Windows 11 for the cool looking shell that also properly supports Dark mode. Sidenote, even though the new Notepad is beautiful and has tabs, I prefer the robustness of the old Notepad and still use it time to time. Since Windows 10 will be EOL in about two years, I believe there is no benefit to running it for personal use, even though it can still run all of the software that I use.
feel like someone should just make an updated roadmap or checklist kinda thing that tracks things/features windows 10 has/still does better than windows 11 which also shows thing that were not there but have gradually been added like here
you still cant move your taskbar, its super annoying for ultra wide monitors, i need to see the time and that extra space vertically is so nice. still use win 10 coz of it or remote in from a win 10 device with the taskbar for time and other apps
@lindenreaper8683correcto but some people don't want to learn a command line I do I learn command line I use Linux I've been using it for 2 months trust me it's worth it switch to Linux I'm proud to be your lyrics user
1:05 they didn't *remove* it. Thing is, they never added it in the first place. They rewrote the taskbar. The win11 taskbar isn't a derivative work of the win10 taskbar. It's written from the ground up using a completely different UI framework. They just never implemented the drag and drop feature onto the new taskbar, perhaps because the dev who coded the taskbar didn't use the feature himself, and it was only added once the people complained.
@lindenreaper8683 It's funny how everyone only takes in part the wrong things MS does, and not how well the UX has been designed in windows for newbies. As a linux user myself (arch btw), I'd say that linux is great but for those who aren't interested in troubleshooting things and want everything to just work, windows is the only option.
@lindenreaper8683 I'm not reading all of that 💀 And yes, I do use arch. I use runit, wayland for the display on a tiling wm (hyprland). I've been using linux for more than ~2.5 years, so don't even try. Secondly, I never said that linux is bad, I wouldn't use it on my host otherwise. I also didn't say that windows has NO issues. I only said that windows is an easy operating system for noobs. I'm not a windows fanboy.
while I completely 100% agree with what u said and Linux is just objectively superior, this is probably the most rancid and most pathetic fucking series of comments I’ve ever read. Wtf man do u like have Asperger’s or something??? Ur not convincing anyone if ur acting like this lol. This is why people hate us Linux users
Two big things I'm still annoyed about are how you can't move the taskbar to the top (my preference on my PC) or sides of the screen, and how you can't view seconds above the calendar like you could before.
@@joeygobran yeah, but that option was there before (in the registry editor), while now there's no way to have seconds above the calendar - it's all or nothing
Bottom-line is, microsoft has gone mad. They should ideally keep doing their security updates in the background, and keep the XP UI and functionality. Worst if screwing around with keyboard shortcuts for word Excel and other programs.
Atleast we can use openshell and other tweaks to get it how we want. I never use windows out of the box ever since windows 10. Windows 7 was the last good design and it just went ugly and useless from there on
The Windows 11 Start Menu feels like a downgrade of the Windows 10 Start Menu. I liked in that in the Windows 10 start menu, you could show all apps list in the left column of the start menu next to your pin apps. You cannot do that in Windows 11. Orginally you could not put apps into folders until it was added in 22H2, which the Windows 10 start menu had. Also, the Windows 10 Start Menu you could right click an icon and get a jump list of the recent files which is also missing from the Windows 11 Start Menu
w10 start menu really was the best of both world, easy icon tiles and folder to access your fav things AND the ability to expand it AND the ability to totally remove the tiles and only have the app list , such a shame ms is a "change for the sake of change " company, im never upgrading
@@lindenreaper8683thank you but please don't get people to switch I like it when people switch cuz I'm a Linux user just please don't shove it in their face if they want to still support Windows tell them to Pirate windows enjoying the Pirates your hearty hard
When the fullscreen tiled start menu came out on Windows 8 I hated it. But over the years I started to like it(Yup, the fullscreen one). Even though most people like the normal one(Windows XP one) I liked the fullscreen one. It became something that was unique to windows. I kinda hate Windows 11 and haven't updated to it. Windows 11 feels like - Microsoft dropped everything they had, and made things like Mac to get Mac users. That's like dropping years of design, UX, features, way of use, etc. When Windows 10 gets too outdated and if ms doesn't fix Windows 11, I'll move to some Linux distro. After all, linux is getting better and it's more customizable.
You can now also have different wallpapers on each monitor connected to the PC, as opposed to being forced to use the same wallpaper across all monitors, and without any third party tools at that.
@MichaelDustter no use clinging to dying cope either, 90+% of games already do, with only a handful of those actually having a reason and the remainder just being a result of vain strong arming that, as always, won't (and can't) last. Out of every game I seriously play / have seriously played in my library (i.e. there was at least a couple month long period or so where that was the main game I played) only 3 aren't compatible, all 3 are online, 2 of which I stopped playing because the experience was already starting to suffer from bad business decisions that made the game worse, and the final one literally is compatible but explicitly disabled EAC compatibility and then blamed proton to cover their ass. (As in, it was playable on version 1.x, but on 1.x+0.1 it wasn't, despite that update being a completely standard one with no significant changes, just a normal content cycle.) And even THAT game I was already on tenuous straws with because of their recent design choices. In other words, the literal only games that I can't play on linux are games I already don't want to play on windows because, shocker, if a company/dev studio does one shitty thing chances are they've done more. Meanwhile Linux routinely performs more stably and responsively than windows, even fixing several bugs playing a windows native game through wine/proton that are in the game when ran full-native. For instance in Apex I can crank everything to max and still lock at my monitor's max refresh rate, meanwhile not only can I not set the settings as high on windows instead having to intentionally lower them but I also have weird pop-in that makes the game flat out harder to play as elements literally just do not render properly at all distances. Not to mention Proton has been able to apply optimizations to both Elden Ring AND Starfield to make them run better on linux than windows because of errors in the rendering pipeline. (Tons of others too, but somehow I feel like those two are the easiest to dunk with) So, not only do games literally just perform & run flat out better, but the games that aren't compatible are generally incompatible because the devs have intentionally chosen to fuck over the players, i.e. chances are those games are coasting and on the decline any way you slice it.
@@danilol9417If I have to, I will fuck with literally every single thing in the system if it means keeping Windows 10 and not having a forced downgrade. I used Windows 7 after its EOL and it was perfectly fine. I refuse to downgrade to an inferior product. “Not supporteT” be damned.
The not being able to ungroup has pissed me off since jan 2023 when I got win11 at work. Still doesn't work. But microsoft had time to add tons of useless crap.
2 more things you STILL can't do in Winturd 11 1. create a toolbar folder AND place it inside your taskbar. == Why would anyone want this? Simple. if you're like me ( when I used to use Windows ) and you wanted separate docs, pics, music, movies, downloads, game shortcuts...etc folders....good luck having separate one click folders to " pin " right to your taskbar since windows 7 and newer without a Toolbar Folder. Toolbar folder = lets you left click drag or copy/paste ...ANYTHING....you want one-click access to ..right on the taskbar....anything...separate document files? Yeap. included. 2. Actually OWN..and FULLY control...( what is supposed to be ) ..YOUR PC.....and have a far more reasonable level of privacy. Good luck with that. ANY time you boot up any pc connected online for a reasonable amount of time, = you down own that PC..microsoft does... and they can..., they have...and they WILL continue to execute whatever arbitrary code they see fit. You can installed and auto launch on system boot up..all the de-bs-microcrap scripts all ya want, but in the end...an inevitable update..WILL undo.what you've done with that/those scripts. Why? Simple. the Updates engine is literally BUILT...into the kernel..as is telemetry. ( and yes...again..I know about Chris Titus Tech's efforts over the years..and he is an awesome asset to humanity in the PC and networking tech world), but facts don't care about anyone's feelings regarding Windows Kernel editing access...which .NONE of us normies have that only microsoft software OS devs have. Solution? Take reasonable baby steps towards migrating to Linux ( Mint Cinnamon will probably be your most gentle transition). Start with practice using cross platform applications instead of Microsoft proprietary ones.
MS is baffling. They had the perfect mix of customisation and usability with the Windows 7 start menu, then gradually removed it all. I use Windows 11 now with StartAllBack and it's honestly indistinguishable from the old system, including the toolbar.
at this point I am actually convinced these companies remove convenience so that they can later sell it as relief to people who didn't know these stuff existed for free at a point in time
Please read other comments on the video, it's not like they removed features. They created a new taskbar for Windows 11 from scratch, and didn't put the time and effort to re-implement every feature that Windows 10 that at the release of Windows 11. The main issue with the product team at Microsoft is that they never listen to their users and will only put time and effort to re-implement the missing features if a paying customer ask them to do so, or if there is massive public backlash (e.g. the missing drag-and-drop feature).
@@DRSDavidSoft ok great, this doesn't justify it and it still seems like an "let's remove feature users liked because reason!" type of deal. why even rework it completely, build upon win10, which is in such a good state that people don't even want to switch even when that dreadfull day arrives, it's literally win7 all over again. people didn't want to leave win7 because win10 had all of these issues, then win10 actually became a functioning OS that could very well replace win7. now we're literally at the same issue with win11 being a shit OS (by MS's own design, they decided to rework the entire OS instead of just building upon win10) people don't want to switch and to make matters worse, they add arbitrary restrictions based on hardware of all things to if you can upgrade or not, but then basically says "well, you better start coughing up money so that you can stay secure :D" I upgraded my PC due to wanting more performance while gaming (or playing other games like Runescape while doing things in Apex Legends or FF14) even then my PC wasn't initially ready for win11 either, it needed a bios update to finally be win11 ready, why? well, because my bios was outdated so it didn't have secure boot, AMAZING ISN'T IT!
Here are a few problems with windows 11 that need addressed. Rounded corners: This should be a toglable option. Taskbar, start, and other menu: Not visually customizable enough. For example we can not control how opaque/transparent we want these items to be and we can't use textures with them. Dark mode: is not consistent throught the os and does not allow the user to choose a custom shade so that it's not to dark. Control panel: Navigates users to menus users are not looking for(example would be sound control panel is now not a searchable term in windows an if you click on sound in the control panel it takes you to the settings menu.)! Start menu: Main problem is it's not resizable an you can't put in in a single column apps mode permenantly and you can not make the window more narrow. Fonts: No easy way to make them bold or change the color of them without downloading third party software. If you can think of more by all means please list them.
A few days ago I got a weird baseball Xbox notification ad from windows on my laptop I do not use for any sort of gaming. I also do not have (or ever plan in buying) an Xbox. Stuff like that is really annoying on an operating system that (at least on paper) costs $200
Switched when it came out, proceeded to use it as normal, tried draggin a file to an open app on taskbar, didnt work, rolled back to windows 10. Never coming back, those small things are really important to many people. Also the MORE OPTIONS in context, no thanks, I use that a lot and wouldnt like to have to do 50% more work to see options
I don't know why Microsoft doesn't want to add features that users have requested in the feedback hub such as completely removing the recommend section on the Windows 11 start menu. The recently released Moment 4 update for Windows 11 doesn't make any improvements to the Start Menu
Simple, they will only put time and effort towards implementing this features if there is a paying clients, such as big enterprises. There is no incentive for them to spend resources doing so for the home and personal use customers who have already bought their computer and are not going to pay big cash to Microsoft for the missing features.
@@NatetheNintendofanwhat don't like those ads just debloat windows and fuck telemetry and disable useless services problem solved but in my opinion Linux is maybe better but personally I prefer windows I used mint for 4 days I couldnt fucking run a source 1 game in Linux with wine dont mine me adobe doesn't work either thats why windows and android ideal for me I still waiting to get my laptop back in winter
I don't understand why need to have apps in list view why can't we have grid view similar to Android Drawer where we got all app installed in the phone. List is waste of space and too much scrolling to locate the app
Microsoft has been relentlessly trying to make me switch to W11, but there's absolutely no way I'll upgrade if I can't reposition the taskbar to the side. I'd rather switch to Mac or Linux if they decide not to support this anymore.
@@NichtMalte_ In my case, it's because I have an ultrawide screen (5120x1440), and a taskbar on the bottom/top takes a ridiculous amount of screen space. Moving it to the left/right makes much more sense when you have large monitors.
@@tklarp4735 ok, makes more sense then! Thx for clarifying. Having the taskbar appear on the left or right side on ultra-wide, wouldn't that make up ridiculously long click paths to the verry left or right?
@@NichtMalte_ Yes, but it's less of a problem than you may think. You use the taskbar a lot when you need to switch between applications and minimize/maximize windows. When you have a ultrawide, chances are you'll just keep all windows open at once (that's what I do), so you barely use the taskbar. This makes W11 even worse, since now you have this huge bar on your screen that you barely use.
@@tklarp4735 alright. At least you can still auto hide the taskbar. 😉
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its still fun to me how my windows is in English but notepad is in Portuguese, with PORTUGUESE SHORTCUTS. I cant save with CTRL+S nor select all with CTRL+A, it's CTRL+G and CTRL+T...
Our team is having issues with file explorer speed to view and open files quickly! Windows 11 is not user friendly like windows 10. Have you had other people complain about this option? This is slowing our productivity to produce financial statements.
I think this will ease up the transitioning of at least some users to the upcoming W12. Even if it will be subscription-based, they might lower the price or whatnot. Microsoft ought to keep up with the good work
The subscription nonsense is going to push more people try other alternatives that haven't already. Plus they'll stick to Windows 10 (or 11) until they can make everything they want/need work on another OS with Linux for gaming, and MacOS for many other tasks (if they can afford a Mac). The subscription model is really where it's going to hit people when there's more money involved than the initial purchase of the computer as it'll be hitting right when people can't afford too many more bills (not that they aren't struggling already). The world isn't ready to be forced to a subscription model for an OS in the consumer space. Businesses can afford it as they're already pay for volume licensing and such, but consumers are a whole different situation and there are millions and millions of Windows users who don't and will not subscribe to Office 365 too.
@@gwgux don't underestimate the majority of Window's users, they'd pay for even a subscription-based start menu. Microsoft only chooses when they need more money or not.
@@neck-o It's not so much when they NEED more money as it's when they WANT more money. There's really not a whole lot a company of that size cannot afford to do at this point. The public (and many governments around the world) have not been holding many of the big tech companies in the best of lights these days. The US likely will get nothing done as usual, but the EU may slap some regulations on them. Even taking into account that most Windows users buy Windows when they get new PCs, looking at how Windows 11's adoption hasn't taken off there's a clear reason for it. People aren't buying new PCs when what they have is working fine and/or they cannot afford it. If they cannot afford the one time purchase of a PC or don't want to spend the money because what they have with an older version is working for them, it'll be a harder sell to convince them to go a subscription based model. Beyond any philosophy behind FOSS, hatred of Microsoft, or how "cool" the Macs look, money is a far more powerful motivator to get people to look at things for what they are. I'm not underestimating Windows users being stubborn about sticking to what they know, but when money is involved at a time when people are already struggling to pay bills, we will see what happens.
If you are not a serious gamer why are you even using Windows? Even for gaming Linux is only missing HDR, which is coming soon thanks to Valve, and high-level Nvidia driver features.
if Windows 11 Start Menu will look like Android menu, atleast it should have a fullscreen option (prob default on for tablets). Anyways, I'd still prefer win10 start menu.
Taskbar and context menus are crap, uninstalled on 2 machines. From memory they made local accounts even harder to use, to the point where I think? I had to use a Microsoft account and then switch to a local account, which left Microsoft tracking. Windows will only be for zombies soon enough.
I'll bet those shiny Mac computers at the store are looking more attractive to people in general these days if they aren't gamers. For gamers, your only other options are literally just consoles or Linux and both those options have caveats about them that can turn off some PC gamers. Macs just aren't for heavy gaming. The more Microsoft ignores what people want and instead tries to tell people what they want by removing features that were found in previous versions...to be clear, rebuilds of items without all features from previous versions still counts as nobody cares HOW, just that X feature is gone, restricting/hiding options to make them harder to get to, changing settings with updates, etc., the more of a need they create for the tech savvy to find ways to live a Microsoft free live and bring people with them. No empire lasts forever and for many tasks, you really do not need Windows anymore with other Windows only tasks being worked on to remove the need for Windows for them as well. All that is before what ever new nonsense that Windows 12 will bring to the table.
Windows 11 is still terrible compared to 10 now you can't even drag and drop files in the navigation bar of the File Explorer because Microsoft just had t give it a redesign that only focused on looks and not functionality, I hate Windows 11 with a passion!
windows 11 feels like a bad clunky menus behind more menus less user friendly MOBILE TABLET OS then an actual PC OS. Literally the worst windows i've personally seen and touched.
In Microsoft's tests, theyfound that people who managed to muddle through a program’s setup got stuck at the “Okay, why don’t you play the game now that you’ve installed it?” step because they couldn’t figure out how to get to that program. That’s why there’s a balloon that pops up saying “Psst. That program you just installed? It’s over here.” And then there’s a “yellow brick road” leading you through the Start menu to the program launch point itself.
A lot of ""smart"" people tend to spread FUD and stretch the truth about telemetry. They believe telemetry can track you to a T and get a physical location along with this 'keylogger' bullshit. Microsoft only collects data to better tailor Windows to your machine specs. Microsoft makes it abundantly clear in their Privacy Statement that no telemetry data is used for advertising purposes and, of course, is anonymized.
Just dual boot. I do it with Debian and Win10. The only time I use Windows is on the weekends, for gaming. And I will never switch to Win11, even after End of Life for Win10. No need for security upgrades, if you only use it for gaming, and take a monthly snapshot.
Windows 11 23H3 is by far the best Windows version I have used to this day (once you disable all the bloat and spyware crap), but it took them a while. I wish Microsoft stopped releasing early access operating systems to the public.
Microsoft is its own worst enemy. I will switch to Linux in the future and from there I will run W11 in a virtual machine to ween myself of of this garbage fire OS. Its still a Beta and will always be one. At least W12 will be a unstable Alpha.
Windows is now a disaster, it never goes forwards, only sideways. I stick with 7 offline for most development work if possible but that requires an old 6th gen or older cpu, but its worth it. Win 10 is a severe downgrade from 7, and Win 11, I would not touch with a shitpole. There is nothing compelling about Windows anymore, I have been using it for 30 years.
Maybe they needed months to address these 'issues' because 99% of people don't care? Especially the drag and drop to taskbar thing is so minor when most likely you will just add the programs you want and never change the taskbar again, and like come on, right click > pin to taskbar takes 2 seconds maximum.
To be honest windows 11 is now far far away better than 10, Gosh I hated that windows 10 unresponsiveness when you click on the start menu or something in the settings, windows 11 is very responsive and with the latest update it's even better.
@@danilol9417 these people can use open shell menu then... People always find something to complain. I do agree though that there where a lot of missing features in windows 11
Well I have the 22H2 update installed but still can't drag and drop icons to the taskbar. *EDIT: I googled the issue after watching this video and found that running this command "DISM /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth" in CMD fixed my issue.
Honestly, the average user does not care whether the OS was built from ground up or whatever security bullshit they try to shove down everyone's throat. What people care about is feature parity with whatever there was in the past. If features that were taken for granted in a previous version are literally missing, that's not an upgrade. Switching from Windows 7 to Windows 10 was relatively painless simply because Windows 10 at least had feature parity with Windows 7.
It's been 2 years and there's still no way to have a vertical task bar (something that Windows XP could do mind you). After all that progress, Windows 11 feels like a skinned Windows 98 from a feature perspective. I'm not here to look for alternatives and registry edits to get something that was standard in past operating systems. If I have to tinker so much, I'd rather just use Linux which is far more customizable (which I use for work anyway).
@lindenreaper8683 Too each their own. Most people just rock out with the defaults out albeit in the consumer or business spectrum.
@lindenreaper8683 Depends on what you use. If you're using Arch, tinkering is a requirement. Fedora requires some tinkering to setup but is otherwise fine. Ubuntu and Pop OS pretty much work out of the box.
@lindenreaper8683how to switch from unbuntu to mint?
The reason a lot of features went missing is because Microsoft opted to rebuild several parts of the UX from the ground up. The Windows 11 taskbar is a completely new, for example, and I assume at launch they just hadn’t gotten around to adding the drag and drop feature to it yet.
that isn't a reason to ship half baked software
@@maxanimator9547 Yeah it’s an explanation not an excuse.
@@TagetesAlkesta Honestly this shows how greedy of a company they are ; unless there exists a potential financial interest, they will quite simply not even bother considering implementing anything the community is asking for, or even requires.
@@lindenreaper8683 I long for the day the European Union will put a legal end to their monopoly. Once users are asked to install OSes themselves, Linux will have the upper hand ; that being said, it is already gaining traction significantly partially thanks to Valve's work.
I bought a car the other day, but they hadn't gotten around to designing the brakes yet.
honestly the 2 biggest thing that still annoy the hell out of me is the inability to set the "more options" context menu as default behaviour and the inability to enable small taskbar icons. the taskbar felt so fucking massive compared to 10 with small icons when i first upgraded and the amount of time i've wasted at this point manually opening the proper context menu is insane.
I've gotten to a point where I make Shift+Right Click my default behavior in File Explorer. I just don't do a normal right click by itself in File Explorer anymore 🙃
There actually is a way to get the "more options" context menu as the default. Granted it is a bit of a process but still possible nonetheless
I use Explorer Patcher to get the Windows 10 Taskbar and Start Menu in Windows 11 which have all the features.
What is the point of using Windows 11 if you're not going to use its shell
@@DRSDavidSoft Win 10 will be unsupported
@@DRSDavidSoft
Graphical App support for WSL without installing an X11 Server. Dark Mode in Notepad. Mostly because Windows 10 will probably end of life sooner than Windows 11. However, I think you are right, there is no feature of Windows 11 that I need. Do you use Windows 11 or Windows 10? Why do you prefer running one over the other?
@@Burnr-hw6zs That's an interesting feature that I wasn't aware of! 👍
I personally still use Cygwin instead of WSL/2 for various reasons, and have never bothered to use any GUI enabled apps with it.
I also personally use Windows 11 for the cool looking shell that also properly supports Dark mode. Sidenote, even though the new Notepad is beautiful and has tabs, I prefer the robustness of the old Notepad and still use it time to time.
Since Windows 10 will be EOL in about two years, I believe there is no benefit to running it for personal use, even though it can still run all of the software that I use.
feel like someone should just make an updated roadmap or checklist kinda thing that tracks things/features windows 10 has/still does better than windows 11 which also shows thing that were not there but have gradually been added like here
you still cant move your taskbar, its super annoying for ultra wide monitors, i need to see the time and that extra space vertically is so nice. still use win 10 coz of it or remote in from a win 10 device with the taskbar for time and other apps
@lindenreaper8683correcto but some people don't want to learn a command line I do I learn command line I use Linux I've been using it for 2 months trust me it's worth it switch to Linux I'm proud to be your lyrics user
1:05 they didn't *remove* it. Thing is, they never added it in the first place. They rewrote the taskbar. The win11 taskbar isn't a derivative work of the win10 taskbar. It's written from the ground up using a completely different UI framework. They just never implemented the drag and drop feature onto the new taskbar, perhaps because the dev who coded the taskbar didn't use the feature himself, and it was only added once the people complained.
unfortunately, when they rewrote it, they forgot to implement the features from Windows 10.
@lindenreaper8683 It's funny how everyone only takes in part the wrong things MS does, and not how well the UX has been designed in windows for newbies. As a linux user myself (arch btw), I'd say that linux is great but for those who aren't interested in troubleshooting things and want everything to just work, windows is the only option.
@lindenreaper8683 I'm not reading all of that 💀
And yes, I do use arch. I use runit, wayland for the display on a tiling wm (hyprland). I've been using linux for more than ~2.5 years, so don't even try. Secondly, I never said that linux is bad, I wouldn't use it on my host otherwise. I also didn't say that windows has NO issues. I only said that windows is an easy operating system for noobs.
I'm not a windows fanboy.
@lindenreaper8683 ... did you reply 4 times to 1 comment or did they remove their comments
while I completely 100% agree with what u said and Linux is just objectively superior, this is probably the most rancid and most pathetic fucking series of comments I’ve ever read. Wtf man do u like have Asperger’s or something??? Ur not convincing anyone if ur acting like this lol. This is why people hate us Linux users
Two big things I'm still annoyed about are how you can't move the taskbar to the top (my preference on my PC) or sides of the screen, and how you can't view seconds above the calendar like you could before.
I know it's not exactly the same, but you can have the seconds show next to the time in the taskbar
@@joeygobran yeah, but that option was there before (in the registry editor), while now there's no way to have seconds above the calendar - it's all or nothing
Bottom-line is, microsoft has gone mad.
They should ideally keep doing their security updates in the background, and keep the XP UI and functionality.
Worst if screwing around with keyboard shortcuts for word Excel and other programs.
Atleast we can use openshell and other tweaks to get it how we want. I never use windows out of the box ever since windows 10. Windows 7 was the last good design and it just went ugly and useless from there on
The Windows 11 Start Menu feels like a downgrade of the Windows 10 Start Menu. I liked in that in the Windows 10 start menu, you could show all apps list in the left column of the start menu next to your pin apps. You cannot do that in Windows 11. Orginally you could not put apps into folders until it was added in 22H2, which the Windows 10 start menu had. Also, the Windows 10 Start Menu you could right click an icon and get a jump list of the recent files which is also missing from the Windows 11 Start Menu
w10 start menu really was the best of both world, easy icon tiles and folder to access your fav things AND the ability to expand it AND the ability to totally remove the tiles and only have the app list , such a shame ms is a "change for the sake of change " company, im never upgrading
@@lindenreaper8683thank you but please don't get people to switch I like it when people switch cuz I'm a Linux user just please don't shove it in their face if they want to still support Windows tell them to Pirate windows enjoying the Pirates your hearty hard
When the fullscreen tiled start menu came out on Windows 8 I hated it.
But over the years I started to like it(Yup, the fullscreen one).
Even though most people like the normal one(Windows XP one) I liked the fullscreen one.
It became something that was unique to windows.
I kinda hate Windows 11 and haven't updated to it.
Windows 11 feels like - Microsoft dropped everything they had, and made things like Mac to get Mac users.
That's like dropping years of design, UX, features, way of use, etc.
When Windows 10 gets too outdated and if ms doesn't fix Windows 11, I'll move to some Linux distro.
After all, linux is getting better and it's more customizable.
You can now also have different wallpapers on each monitor connected to the PC, as opposed to being forced to use the same wallpaper across all monitors, and without any third party tools at that.
I can finally consider Windows 11 usable, but honestly I still don't want to switch
you have to switch in 2 years, or your os wont be supportet anymore
@@danilol9417 Windows 11 will never be my main OS. I'll probably use Linux Mint or Pop!OS or plain old Debian
@@joweraDE i would also switch to linux if my drivers were compatible with linux or if more games would support linux
@MichaelDustter no use clinging to dying cope either, 90+% of games already do, with only a handful of those actually having a reason and the remainder just being a result of vain strong arming that, as always, won't (and can't) last.
Out of every game I seriously play / have seriously played in my library (i.e. there was at least a couple month long period or so where that was the main game I played) only 3 aren't compatible, all 3 are online, 2 of which I stopped playing because the experience was already starting to suffer from bad business decisions that made the game worse, and the final one literally is compatible but explicitly disabled EAC compatibility and then blamed proton to cover their ass. (As in, it was playable on version 1.x, but on 1.x+0.1 it wasn't, despite that update being a completely standard one with no significant changes, just a normal content cycle.) And even THAT game I was already on tenuous straws with because of their recent design choices.
In other words, the literal only games that I can't play on linux are games I already don't want to play on windows because, shocker, if a company/dev studio does one shitty thing chances are they've done more.
Meanwhile Linux routinely performs more stably and responsively than windows, even fixing several bugs playing a windows native game through wine/proton that are in the game when ran full-native.
For instance in Apex I can crank everything to max and still lock at my monitor's max refresh rate, meanwhile not only can I not set the settings as high on windows instead having to intentionally lower them but I also have weird pop-in that makes the game flat out harder to play as elements literally just do not render properly at all distances.
Not to mention Proton has been able to apply optimizations to both Elden Ring AND Starfield to make them run better on linux than windows because of errors in the rendering pipeline. (Tons of others too, but somehow I feel like those two are the easiest to dunk with)
So, not only do games literally just perform & run flat out better, but the games that aren't compatible are generally incompatible because the devs have intentionally chosen to fuck over the players, i.e. chances are those games are coasting and on the decline any way you slice it.
@@danilol9417If I have to, I will fuck with literally every single thing in the system if it means keeping Windows 10 and not having a forced downgrade. I used Windows 7 after its EOL and it was perfectly fine. I refuse to downgrade to an inferior product. “Not supporteT” be damned.
I remember not being able to drag and drop from full screen window. Unfortunately that's the time we live in.
The not being able to ungroup has pissed me off since jan 2023 when I got win11 at work. Still doesn't work. But microsoft had time to add tons of useless crap.
2 more things you STILL can't do in Winturd 11
1. create a toolbar folder AND place it inside your taskbar.
== Why would anyone want this? Simple. if you're like me ( when I used to use Windows ) and you wanted separate docs, pics, music, movies, downloads, game shortcuts...etc folders....good luck having separate one click folders to " pin " right to your taskbar since windows 7 and newer without a Toolbar Folder.
Toolbar folder = lets you left click drag or copy/paste ...ANYTHING....you want one-click access to ..right on the taskbar....anything...separate document files? Yeap. included.
2. Actually OWN..and FULLY control...( what is supposed to be ) ..YOUR PC.....and have a far more reasonable level of privacy.
Good luck with that.
ANY time you boot up any pc connected online for a reasonable amount of time, = you down own that PC..microsoft does... and they can..., they have...and they WILL continue to execute whatever arbitrary code they see fit.
You can installed and auto launch on system boot up..all the de-bs-microcrap scripts all ya want, but in the end...an inevitable update..WILL undo.what you've done with that/those scripts.
Why?
Simple. the Updates engine is literally BUILT...into the kernel..as is telemetry. ( and yes...again..I know about Chris Titus Tech's efforts over the years..and he is an awesome asset to humanity in the PC and networking tech world), but facts don't care about anyone's feelings regarding Windows Kernel editing access...which .NONE of us normies have that only microsoft software OS devs have.
Solution?
Take reasonable baby steps towards migrating to Linux ( Mint Cinnamon will probably be your most gentle transition). Start with practice using cross platform applications instead of Microsoft proprietary ones.
MS is baffling. They had the perfect mix of customisation and usability with the Windows 7 start menu, then gradually removed it all. I use Windows 11 now with StartAllBack and it's honestly indistinguishable from the old system, including the toolbar.
Still can't move the taskbar, still not moving from 10.
Thank for reminding I can ungroup taskbar apps since Momentum 4 update. This will help me too much.
Good timing, i just watched your other video from a year ago.
I'm still using Windows 10 and I am proud of it.
👍
After 2025 (plus some years until the extended support also ends) it will be like you're using Windows 7 in 2023
@@DRSDavidSoft truth lmao
No apps will support win10 after 2029
So what is the matter. I’m planing to install Windows 11 in 2024.
I noticed you can't move a file up a directory without opening a folder in a new window. You used to be able to drag and drop
at this point I am actually convinced these companies remove convenience so that they can later sell it as relief to people who didn't know these stuff existed for free at a point in time
Please read other comments on the video, it's not like they removed features. They created a new taskbar for Windows 11 from scratch, and didn't put the time and effort to re-implement every feature that Windows 10 that at the release of Windows 11.
The main issue with the product team at Microsoft is that they never listen to their users and will only put time and effort to re-implement the missing features if a paying customer ask them to do so, or if there is massive public backlash (e.g. the missing drag-and-drop feature).
Okay
@@DRSDavidSoft ok great, this doesn't justify it and it still seems like an "let's remove feature users liked because reason!" type of deal.
why even rework it completely, build upon win10, which is in such a good state that people don't even want to switch even when that dreadfull day arrives, it's literally win7 all over again.
people didn't want to leave win7 because win10 had all of these issues, then win10 actually became a functioning OS that could very well replace win7.
now we're literally at the same issue with win11 being a shit OS (by MS's own design, they decided to rework the entire OS instead of just building upon win10)
people don't want to switch and to make matters worse, they add arbitrary restrictions based on hardware of all things to if you can upgrade or not, but then basically says "well, you better start coughing up money so that you can stay secure :D"
I upgraded my PC due to wanting more performance while gaming (or playing other games like Runescape while doing things in Apex Legends or FF14)
even then my PC wasn't initially ready for win11 either, it needed a bios update to finally be win11 ready, why? well, because my bios was outdated so it didn't have secure boot, AMAZING ISN'T IT!
You still can't move the ef'n taskbar to the top or sides of your screen.
I watched that first video, like, 20 mins ago
Is this a glitch in the matrix?
Possibly
I can no longer open the Clock/Calendar from Taskbar in Multiple screen, has there been any workaround for this?
Here are a few problems with windows 11 that need addressed. Rounded corners: This should be a toglable option. Taskbar, start, and other menu: Not visually customizable enough. For example we can not control how opaque/transparent we want these items to be and we can't use textures with them. Dark mode: is not consistent throught the os and does not allow the user to choose a custom shade so that it's not to dark. Control panel: Navigates users to menus users are not looking for(example would be sound control panel is now not a searchable term in windows an if you click on sound in the control panel it takes you to the settings menu.)! Start menu: Main problem is it's not resizable an you can't put in in a single column apps mode permenantly and you can not make the window more narrow. Fonts: No easy way to make them bold or change the color of them without downloading third party software. If you can think of more by all means please list them.
A few days ago I got a weird baseball Xbox notification ad from windows on my laptop I do not use for any sort of gaming. I also do not have (or ever plan in buying) an Xbox. Stuff like that is really annoying on an operating system that (at least on paper) costs $200
there are hundreds of thousands of people who use un activated versions of windows and office
there are many many people who use the default look and never touch the pesonalisation section of settings
Switched when it came out, proceeded to use it as normal, tried draggin a file to an open app on taskbar, didnt work, rolled back to windows 10. Never coming back, those small things are really important to many people. Also the MORE OPTIONS in context, no thanks, I use that a lot and wouldnt like to have to do 50% more work to see options
The fact that is has been 2 years and Windows 11 still doesn't have feature parity with Windows 10 is asinine. I'm sticking with Windows 10.
Still waiting for the vertical taskbar.
Same
Perhaps by the time they end support for 10...
11 _might_ be up to an equivalent state..
Nice, the beta test is near the end, they can finally start adding new features. Maybe I will switch soon.
That's when they announce windows 12, and the circle repeats.
@@robertpucovsky Damn it!
@@robertpucovskyTHEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!!!
@@robertpucovskynah ms won't release windows 12 it will release after 12 years and so on
I don't know why Microsoft doesn't want to add features that users have requested in the feedback hub such as completely removing the recommend section on the Windows 11 start menu. The recently released Moment 4 update for Windows 11 doesn't make any improvements to the Start Menu
@@lindenreaper8683correcto I don't want ads in my operating system
Simple, they will only put time and effort towards implementing this features if there is a paying clients, such as big enterprises. There is no incentive for them to spend resources doing so for the home and personal use customers who have already bought their computer and are not going to pay big cash to Microsoft for the missing features.
@@NatetheNintendofanwhat don't like those ads just debloat windows and fuck telemetry and disable useless services problem solved but in my opinion Linux is maybe better but personally I prefer windows I used mint for 4 days I couldnt fucking run a source 1 game in Linux with wine dont mine me adobe doesn't work either thats why windows and android ideal for me I still waiting to get my laptop back in winter
Here right after the video last year, thanks youtube.
Still holding on to Win10 because they can pry my side-of-screen taskbar form my cold dead hands
I still can not drag and drop a file to software icon in the taskbar and my win 11 is full updated - 2:08 Drag&Drop #2
Windows peaked with 7. Since then, every version has been worse than the last, with the _sole_ exception of Start menu tiles in 10.
just woke up and this was just uploaded
I don't understand why need to have apps in list view why can't we have grid view similar to Android Drawer where we got all app installed in the phone. List is waste of space and too much scrolling to locate the app
The prograrm is all new to me and i want to know all about it
Still using windows 10.
More like bringing back features that were removed by themselves lol
Microsoft has been relentlessly trying to make me switch to W11, but there's absolutely no way I'll upgrade if I can't reposition the taskbar to the side. I'd rather switch to Mac or Linux if they decide not to support this anymore.
I'm curious about what is sooo important about that particular feature that people choose to be on not up to date software (Wi10) on purpose.
@@NichtMalte_ In my case, it's because I have an ultrawide screen (5120x1440), and a taskbar on the bottom/top takes a ridiculous amount of screen space. Moving it to the left/right makes much more sense when you have large monitors.
@@tklarp4735 ok, makes more sense then! Thx for clarifying. Having the taskbar appear on the left or right side on ultra-wide, wouldn't that make up ridiculously long click paths to the verry left or right?
@@NichtMalte_ Yes, but it's less of a problem than you may think. You use the taskbar a lot when you need to switch between applications and minimize/maximize windows. When you have a ultrawide, chances are you'll just keep all windows open at once (that's what I do), so you barely use the taskbar. This makes W11 even worse, since now you have this huge bar on your screen that you barely use.
@@tklarp4735 alright.
At least you can still auto hide the taskbar. 😉
its still fun to me how my windows is in English but notepad is in Portuguese, with PORTUGUESE SHORTCUTS. I cant save with CTRL+S nor select all with CTRL+A, it's CTRL+G and CTRL+T...
wtf?
So “5 things you can do in windows 11” :\
Our team is having issues with file explorer speed to view and open files quickly! Windows 11 is not user friendly like windows 10. Have you had other people complain about this option? This is slowing our productivity to produce financial statements.
i dont have drap and drop and im on 22h2
I have drag and drop and I'm that same version
You should check your windows update or something
So... still no reason to switch to Win11.
I think this will ease up the transitioning of at least some users to the upcoming W12. Even if it will be subscription-based, they might lower the price or whatnot. Microsoft ought to keep up with the good work
The subscription nonsense is going to push more people try other alternatives that haven't already. Plus they'll stick to Windows 10 (or 11) until they can make everything they want/need work on another OS with Linux for gaming, and MacOS for many other tasks (if they can afford a Mac).
The subscription model is really where it's going to hit people when there's more money involved than the initial purchase of the computer as it'll be hitting right when people can't afford too many more bills (not that they aren't struggling already).
The world isn't ready to be forced to a subscription model for an OS in the consumer space. Businesses can afford it as they're already pay for volume licensing and such, but consumers are a whole different situation and there are millions and millions of Windows users who don't and will not subscribe to Office 365 too.
@@gwgux don't underestimate the majority of Window's users, they'd pay for even a subscription-based start menu. Microsoft only chooses when they need more money or not.
@@neck-o It's not so much when they NEED more money as it's when they WANT more money. There's really not a whole lot a company of that size cannot afford to do at this point.
The public (and many governments around the world) have not been holding many of the big tech companies in the best of lights these days. The US likely will get nothing done as usual, but the EU may slap some regulations on them.
Even taking into account that most Windows users buy Windows when they get new PCs, looking at how Windows 11's adoption hasn't taken off there's a clear reason for it. People aren't buying new PCs when what they have is working fine and/or they cannot afford it. If they cannot afford the one time purchase of a PC or don't want to spend the money because what they have with an older version is working for them, it'll be a harder sell to convince them to go a subscription based model.
Beyond any philosophy behind FOSS, hatred of Microsoft, or how "cool" the Macs look, money is a far more powerful motivator to get people to look at things for what they are.
I'm not underestimating Windows users being stubborn about sticking to what they know, but when money is involved at a time when people are already struggling to pay bills, we will see what happens.
Windows WHAT?
JFC 🤦♂
@@lindenreaper8683 Just submit your money to the almighty Microsoft and you will be taken care of
Wher Linux Mint content 😢
If you are not a serious gamer why are you even using Windows? Even for gaming Linux is only missing HDR, which is coming soon thanks to Valve, and high-level Nvidia driver features.
6:30 there's no "0% space to recommendation" option so 0/10 sry
if Windows 11 Start Menu will look like Android menu, atleast it should have a fullscreen option (prob default on for tablets). Anyways, I'd still prefer win10 start menu.
So, the horrendous windows 8 start menu? I hope you're joking.
Taskbar and context menus are crap, uninstalled on 2 machines. From memory they made local accounts even harder to use, to the point where I think? I had to use a Microsoft account and then switch to a local account, which left Microsoft tracking. Windows will only be for zombies soon enough.
3:30 fin.
sony does that with every new generation of playstation they take away stuff the give it back with an update
I'll bet those shiny Mac computers at the store are looking more attractive to people in general these days if they aren't gamers. For gamers, your only other options are literally just consoles or Linux and both those options have caveats about them that can turn off some PC gamers. Macs just aren't for heavy gaming.
The more Microsoft ignores what people want and instead tries to tell people what they want by removing features that were found in previous versions...to be clear, rebuilds of items without all features from previous versions still counts as nobody cares HOW, just that X feature is gone, restricting/hiding options to make them harder to get to, changing settings with updates, etc., the more of a need they create for the tech savvy to find ways to live a Microsoft free live and bring people with them. No empire lasts forever and for many tasks, you really do not need Windows anymore with other Windows only tasks being worked on to remove the need for Windows for them as well.
All that is before what ever new nonsense that Windows 12 will bring to the table.
Windows 11 is still terrible compared to 10 now you can't even drag and drop files in the navigation bar of the File Explorer because Microsoft just had t give it a redesign that only focused on looks and not functionality, I hate Windows 11 with a passion!
used win11 since the rtm and I didn't really care about a lot of things (except for drag and drop and small taskbar)
windows 11 feels like a bad clunky menus behind more menus less user friendly MOBILE TABLET OS then an actual PC OS.
Literally the worst windows i've personally seen and touched.
Win11, Os as a service is for simps.
999 like moment
😢
Windows 11 came a long ways and I actually love it, but why tf can I not get rid of “recommendations” on the start menu.
In Microsoft's tests, theyfound that people who managed to muddle through a program’s setup got stuck at the “Okay, why don’t you play the game now that you’ve installed it?” step because they couldn’t figure out how to get to that program. That’s why there’s a balloon that pops up saying “Psst. That program you just installed? It’s over here.” And then there’s a “yellow brick road” leading you through the Start menu to the program launch point itself.
@@Mario583amakes sense, but they could hide the option somewhere the "non power users" would never find it anyway
when gen X'ers or millennials do operating systems
They do like to needlessly complicate everything.
@@williamhorton9763 hey you have to justify your paycheck somehow
Most Devs at Microsoft are not millennials, and millennials dislike windows just as much as you or I 😊
Bro, for the love of god, remove the fake sound visualizer. Its more annoying than cool
One thing you still can't do: have privacy
A lot of ""smart"" people tend to spread FUD and stretch the truth about telemetry. They believe telemetry can track you to a T and get a physical location along with this 'keylogger' bullshit.
Microsoft only collects data to better tailor Windows to your machine specs.
Microsoft makes it abundantly clear in their Privacy Statement that no telemetry data is used for advertising purposes and, of course, is anonymized.
@@lindenreaper8683linux💪
@@lindenreaper8683mf debloat it it'll fell like clean os even though there's old stuff from win98
I think Windows is trash, I really prefer Linux, but use Windows because of games. It's sad.
Just dual boot. I do it with Debian and Win10. The only time I use Windows is on the weekends, for gaming. And I will never switch to Win11, even after End of Life for Win10. No need for security upgrades, if you only use it for gaming, and take a monthly snapshot.
Windows 11 23H3 is by far the best Windows version I have used to this day (once you disable all the bloat and spyware crap), but it took them a while. I wish Microsoft stopped releasing early access operating systems to the public.
The only thing I've done with windows 11 was install ubuntu
nb😊
Microsoft is its own worst enemy.
I will switch to Linux in the future and from there I will run W11 in a virtual machine to ween myself of of this garbage fire OS. Its still a Beta and will always be one. At least W12 will be a unstable Alpha.
Windows is now a disaster, it never goes forwards, only sideways. I stick with 7 offline for most development work if possible but that requires an old 6th gen or older cpu, but its worth it. Win 10 is a severe downgrade from 7, and Win 11, I would not touch with a shitpole. There is nothing compelling about Windows anymore, I have been using it for 30 years.
First? 🥇
First claimers are sooo 2015
@@UmVtCg true
@@UmVtCg "First" commenters have always been around, not just since 2015. Maybe that one Rhett and Link song from 2015 made you think that?
Maybe they needed months to address these 'issues' because 99% of people don't care? Especially the drag and drop to taskbar thing is so minor when most likely you will just add the programs you want and never change the taskbar again, and like come on, right click > pin to taskbar takes 2 seconds maximum.
To be honest windows 11 is now far far away better than 10, Gosh I hated that windows 10 unresponsiveness when you click on the start menu or something in the settings, windows 11 is very responsive and with the latest update it's even better.
Hi pin please
The start menu is definitely an upgrade. Idk what your complaining about
some people just prefer it the old way
@@danilol9417 these people can use open shell menu then... People always find something to complain. I do agree though that there where a lot of missing features in windows 11
One more of these "audio only" videos and I'm unsubscribing.
Cool thing you can still watch the video right?
@@fennecfoxfanatic I'm saying they are low effort
Saying that it's totally OK to do other things because it can just be listened to was very nice.
Changed to linux just after a month buying the laptop. Nixos
Well I have the 22H2 update installed but still can't drag and drop icons to the taskbar.
*EDIT: I googled the issue after watching this video and found that running this command "DISM /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth" in CMD fixed my issue.
Install the cucumulative updates