Dennis D. It's not just the software companies. A lot of companies including Tech companies try to control the customers that buy their products. I have an LG OLED TV that has "voice assist" built into the remote control. But I can't use that feature, because I won't let LG spy on my TV usage. Sooo.. I paid for a feature that I can't use. Since the U.S. has the best Congress that money can buy. Nothing will be done about these unfair business practices... by the government any way.😢😠
Nothing about the MS account does anything about the telemetry. They are separate. I use an MS account (because it was required to get the Win 11 beta through Insider) and all it has done is benefit me. I dont have to ever worry about needing to buy Windows again unless i want to add another machine to my pool. My 3 keys can be tied to any machines i ike. I completely rebuilt my platform. All i had to do was de-auth the now decomissioned machine. I use this MS account for precisley nothing else (i dont use WIndows as a daiy driver).
Hmm wait. You have a RUclips account so Google has your data. Guess what. Google uses much more of the information of their customers from phones, RUclips meta and all other accounts.
@@aqulex84 may I add to this, when ever you click a thumbs up on a video that goes to them, then you get sent like wise videos. All software companies are about data collection. Out of Microsoft, apple and Google, I would say Google is the worst. With mobile phones and you have location enabled you may aswell be a chipped pet.
As a former tech and somebody that has installed Windows at least a million times by now, it never ceases to amaze me how often Microshaft changes subtle things about the installation process. Usually the change just makes it a pain for techs and PC support folk. It literally got to the point I decided to switch my career to carpentry. I see things haven't changed in the PC industry. Thanks for helping keep everyone's head above water Jay. Cheers.
Back in the 90's my boss and I (both software+electrical engineers) used to just look at each other and say "Let's quit and go build decks!". We hung in for another 20 years and retired.
Its actually sad how IT world keeps changing for the worse. In early 2000s I used to help people fix their PCs as a side job. But over time it became more and more complicated with effects being worse and worse. I fixed one part in a PC that just went out of warranty, and a week later another thing breaks. Things that took 1 hour, required 2 days of work, and no longer guaranteed to solve problems. The same happens to software. Its becoming worse and worse over time, requiring more resources and giving less features. At some point I decided that fixing it just makes no more sense.
Can't do this often enough! It's mind boggling that you have to repeatedly tell a company that you don't want to be stalked. And they just ignore it completely and try to cripple your legitimate attempts harder and harder. Definitely like.
Thank you Jay. Completely with you on the whole not wanting to log in to MS account for standalone machine. One trick I have found for working out which process is the naughty one is to sort by CPU usage in Task Manager and then just run the mouse back and forth over the window you want to find. Handling all the WM_MOUSEMOVE window messages will trigger enough CPU usage to be noticeable.
As an grunt work IT guy who does lots of windows imaging, this makes me happy that other people are spreading the word. In my own funny experience I also found that if you get to the login page on accident and it wont let you back out but you cant seem to remember any fancy command prompt lines just type in "a" into the username and password for the login and it will move you to creating a local account. Not sure if it works for all win 11 versions but its worth a shot.
Yep! Works like a charme. Or you use DISM to copy the setup files yourself, bcdboot to make it bootable and then copy your custom unattend xml file into \Windows\Panther and be done. :)
I Yarred the garbage and it didnt ask me any of that BS.. I see no reason using official stuff when the point is not to give them your data or whatever. Also it wasnt for me, I am not foolish enough to beta-test this trash.
You can get through the out-of-box experience with OOBE\BypassNRO, then you can toggle the reminders under Settings > System > Notifications > [Uncheck] "Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows." This is the prompt that Jay couldn't recreate reliably. Uncheck the other boxes, but that's another story.
It's not that they are hiding behind search. But one of search's "new and improved" function, is the ability to search within the MS account. Yeah don't get me started on that. But any who, when search is trying to index the computer and then it tries to index the MS account. When that fails, it triggers a prompt for the user to sign in. I always disable search's ability to return web results and never get the login request again.
@@RyTrapp0 what is the reason, i wish i knew computers, i just want to ditch the ps4 and feel secure against agressive advertising and being spied on i'm prone to saying wildly inapropriate shit by modern standards.
If you're at the point of learning how to bypass logins and having to tweak tons of settings or make significant configuration changes, it would be very beneficial to explore other operating systems.
@TheBcoolGuy This entrenchment environment really sucks and the cold reality is that unless users become significantly more educated, our options will be mac or windows forever. You definitely nailed it though. There is so little mainstream support to provide resources for alternatives. While the flexibility and control in a Linux environment is absolutely amazing, finding software can be like searching for the holy grail and god help you if you have never lived in cli, but I would recommend people exploring anyway. Who knows, maybe if enough people start investigating alternatives, we may one day escape the matrix.
@@TheBcoolGuy after i have switched to linux for around 1.5-2 years ago? WHAT THE FLIP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! is it just those trashy multiplayer games with kernel level "anti-cheat" that is triggering this response? cause i have only run into like 1 or two apps that i used to use on windows that doesn't work for me at all (that doesn't have alternatives) so imma need some fucking examples for this insanity + software companies aren't really going to move unless the userbase moves first but people are creating a stupid loop with but but all my software is on windows so i don't want to move!! and then doesn't even try to use alterantives... also the software will come to linux / mac / other os if we the users move the problem is stupid people that keeps using spyware just cause they are too damn fucking lazy to try and learn something new. (and no i didn't really ever use linux before 2ish years ago i only looked at it 1 or 2 times seeing i needed it for some server stuff but other than that never used it full time for desktop before) (from what i have experienced linux doesn't seem to have the missing "API" / software support people keep saying it has this isn't 2007 anymore people...) (not to say that there isn't things missing from linux in the software department there of course are things missing but it's fewer than what people seem to think)
@@hasp24 Really? other than trashy multiplayer games with that insane kernel level "anti-cheat" what games aren't running just fine on linux? (of course those with insane drm but but most of the time those aren't even worth playing anyway so you aren't missing anything as a pc gamer) cause i haven't gamed on windows for a while now and i haven't felt like i'm missing anything? so really why are you lying? (either lying or haven't used linux at all)
I getting ready to start my first build, man I've done so much research I was actually over loaded with info so much so I couldn't make up my mind about components even though I was pretty sure what kind of build I wanted. Then low and behold I found YOU. Thank the lord. I very much like the way you explain things straight and to the point, not to much flowering or explanations more complex than the actual procedure, you know what I mean. Anyway, because of that I now have all my components sorted out, especially the GPU which was the hardest thing to pick, ready to make "informed" purchases on them and with your follow ups/ after build set up I should be up and running soon. Thanks again, man, you really helped me out. Oh and yes I will follow this up once I get up and running. Sorry for the long winded thank you.
Note for anyone working on a laptop: If the Shift + F10 combo doesn't work, and your laptop keyboard has a Fn button, try holding that down -- sometimes that F10 button is mapped by default as a media key (like mute, increase/decrease volume, etc.) and you need to hold Fn to get the Function Row to work. -- Your friendly neighborhood IT tech
Without my knowledge, my mother bought one of those $200 HP stream pieces of trash. I had to grab an old when does 11 iso where are the old workarounds were still viable in order to get around the Microsoft account thing. Shift + F 10 didn’t even give me the command prompt window before I used the old iso. I even tried, remapping the accessibility button to the command prompt, at which point it pretended that there were no other windows open, and would never mark any of them as active. I even tried using the Narrator screen reader, which will normally allow you to navigate to things unseen, yeah that didn’t work either. So I know they are patching out these work-arounds as fast as they can. Another work-around that is worth tryin: Enter any random email address looking username into the username field along with a password of your choosing, then once in the system, you have the option to switch to a local account and this is where you will need your fake email address and password. So far Microsoft doesn’t require you to verify the email address that you give them.
@@qvcybe As a lot of laptops, these days are used as consumption devices, a lot of the keys are given multimedia functions; It is similar to the ability of a signing the JKL; keys to a number pad. If the other functionality is not directly written on the keyboard, you might pull up a manual, since every manufacturer will be different.
@@Sonicstillpoint83 o i have a desktop i just was seeing as my keyboard has a fn key on it witch are used to just change the lights on my keyboard or a few other things with the lights XD
This method is fine but the newest version of Rufus will modify the iso to automatically bypass it and make a local account. It will also automatically opt you out of any data collection. All you have to do is select a Windows 10 or 11 iso, and it will prompt you and ask if you want to do any of those things. For Windows 11 you can also modify to remove the check for supported processors and tpm.
I'm going to use Rufus to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. Should be fine I guess since I have i7 quad core CPU, discrete graphics, 16GB RAM, and an SSD drive.
You can also install group policy editor through command prompt and not allow Microsoft accounts to be created/log in. Thanks for the information Jay, very helpful
This still works a year later, thank you so much Jayz. I had gotten a new Samsung 990 Pro 4TB cause I ran out of space and decided to go all out. Wanted a fresh new install of windows, everything. Well when I switched my drives around and installed it, my wifi wasn’t working anymore despite me KNOWING that it works and everything is updated lmao. This helped me a lot. I messed up in the beginning because I was using forward slash not back slash and thought I was losing my mind.
The initial bypass trick still works as of 7/3/23. I havent connected to the internet for updates yet but I just finished my new build and installed W11 and this still works so far. Thanks for protecting the people Jay!!
I'm sure someone else may have already commented this, but give Rufus a try to put the windows iso onto USB. There's a box to check that creates the iso to skip Microsoft account creation.
One thing I've noticed is that when you sign in the normal way, by just putting in your Microsoft account, the desktop, documents, and pictures folders all default to the users/%USER%/OneDrive folder instead of the standard users/%USER% directory. Running it the way JTC shows us defaults to everything in the standard folder, which I like.
Also when you do sign in with a Microsoft account from the start the User folder will not use your entire name if its too long. mine will be Jeffr with a MS account. why it does that i dont know as my name isnt too long (and yes my microsoft account has the name filled in correctly). if that bothers you local account is the way to go as renaming your user folder breaks everything.
@@misterjeffa2128 Yeah this pissess me off. I just reinstalled 11 and forgot to do all this and ill probbaly fresh install again soon and do this. Its all so annoying. They need a good antritrust case again to remind them of their place.
i can see why they do it that way, they sync and login your onedrive account when you log in to your account and if they create your user folder in onedrive you will share the data with ms and you will be able to enjoy the "cloud based" login system as well.. Its easy to login to another computer if your files is in the cloud. I dont like to store my personal files in a cloud.. dont want to store anything but useless crap in the cloud to be fair.. If you dont like cloud stuff avoid windows 11 for a while, they enabled the cloud backup by default and they "forgot" to give the user the choice to disable the cloud backup service. Its no way to turn off cloud backups at the moment but ms promise that they "will fix the issue over time".. its up for debate if they hide something or not i guess..
@@sunnyinnv yes, you should be able to create a local account next to the old one and move everything to that account and remove the old online account. I dont know if they have sabotaged this but you should be able to create a local account if you unplut your internet (if you cant do it while you are online) one drive should be allowed to uninstall, its a add-on program of sort.. Look in the app details and you should find a uninstall option. If you have the time and feel that you can handle some new things you can try and use a linux live usb and play around with it, it wont change your windows system. Its a live test system that is the same as the installed version. That is the best way to get out of the MS hole but its a step so dont stress. Think what you need and if you need windows or not before you do the step. Microsoft wont stop re-installing apps you remove and they will restore settings you change when they update the system and they do it a lot. So its a choice you have to make, do you want to tweak windows for as long as you own the computer or are you ready to learn a new system that respect your privacy and your right to own the product you buy. There is situations where you need to use windows for work or similar and in those cases you can install a dual boot on the computer. You select the system you need at boot and they are isolated systems.. You can have the best of both worlds, both windows and linux on the same computer. Windows for work and linux for private stuff/free time.. I use dual boot at home and if i need to use something from my windows system i open file explorer and copy it from the windows ssd into the other system (to avoid bluescreen and other bugs avoid copy files into a windows file system from a external operating system, the partion size will be strange and can cause a crash). If i need to move something from my not windows system i use a cheap usb thumb drive.. or my nas storage
This is literally the main reason to do all this. That OneDrive folder is a NIGHTMARE and I’ve bricked pcs just trying to change the name of that damn folder. PLEASE anybody who’s building a new pc, follow this guide! You do not want that one drive folder anywhere near your PC
As for taking part in both PC builds and OS editing I really appreciate the additional details and tips given in both aspects here on JTC - as being in support of the end user whether beginners or advanced levels alike....good job and always looking forward to the future solutions you guys give so well - especially in today's tech with the newer obstacles to tackle along the way.
Microsoft keeps popping up ads like a virus scammer: They want me to "upgrade" to new outlook instead of the windows 10 mail client so when i don't even have mail open, it will once a month or so randomly pop open Outlook mail in white mode with an ad at the top email slot the same size and shape as an email, and it you click on it thinking it's an email, it will open Edge ignoring your default Firefox browser into the add website. That is virus level scammer crap Microsoft should face criminal charges for this behavior I think.
I work as an it tech. Another trick I recently learned is if you connect to internet during setup (either ethernet or wifi), when it gets to the "sign into your Microsoft account" screen, you just type the letter 'a' in both the email and p/W field (probably works with other words etc too but I haven't tried). It'll say that something went wrong and prompt for a local account. 🙂
I can't believe that's still a thing, It was a local(single machine) account admin backdoor back in windows NT days, and was one of the simplest methods to bypass security for NT, 2000 and XP networks. ADMIN, ADMIN also used to work. While these back doors COULD be disabled with server groups and permissions - they almost always weren't. I remember 'hacking' my school network using exactly that trick, back in the 90's - at the challenge of our IT guy you understand, I was running my own pc repair business at 16 and he wanted some input.
IT pro here. I set up a WDS/MDT vm server on my laptop to do W11 imaging at home on my personal computers and computers I resell. A properly configured task sequence ensures that when you image a pc with w11, you bypass the network connection and Microsoft account sign-in requirements. You just get to the login screen, in my case Administrator with a short password. I’m never required to give anything to Microsoft or connect to the web before getting to the desktop.
Yep. You're not wrong, but the vast majority of people who need to watch these types of videos are not IT pros. WDS/MDT are alien words to non-IT pros.
There's actually a good reason you would not want to bypass the Microsoft Account. At this point in the setup process is when BitLocker gets engaged and the theory of operation is that the recovery key gets backed up to your Microsoft Account in case the machine should become unbootable and you need to access your data. If you do choose to bypass the Microsoft Account requirement, I would double check your C Drive to see if BitLocker is on and turn it off you feel like you need to.
I just did this for the second time this month, I came to the realization that its pretty funny how people complain about Microsoft wanting your info but you don't hear the same fuss being made over Apple's OS. I guess the difference is Microsoft asks you (begs you) and Apple just does it, and if you don't like it then, "tough luck don't use our products".
Apple doesn't exactly force you to use an Apple ID. They do try their best to encourage you to do so, but you can easily opt out of using an Apple ID. Of course, w/o one, a lot of Apple services aren't available, but you can otherwise still use the computer.
@@JJFlores197 What do you mean doesn't force you? Sure you can set it up without entering an id but it locks you out of half the OS without one, you can't even get OS updates until you enter one or get anything off the app store.
@@FakeSchrodingersCat In Windows 11, if you don't setup an online account, you can't continue. macOS, last I checked did let you setup your new Mac without signing into an Apple ID although they heavily encourage you to do it. Microsoft is hellbent on forcing you to use an online account just to setup your PC when there is no valid reason to do so.
@@JJFlores197 But there are ways around it as this video attempts to show. And once you have bypassed it Windows does not lock out parts of it's functionality. But that is irrelevant. I am not claiming that Microsoft is good what I object to is your statement that Apple isn't forcing you to use an Apple ID, when the choice is a false one if you want to actually use the product.
If you use one of the free tools for creating a bootable USB, like Rufus (no affiliation), the program have a special menu for bypassing some of this annoyances, like all the privacy toggle buttons, and perhaps also the MS account requirement. It helps a bit!
@@villev-zc4hm It will still ask, but give you the option "I don't have internet" and then "Continue with limited experience", then you can create the local account.
For my case, I use rufus to make the usb iso so you can select to remove the prompt for Microsoft account and I use shutup10 to remove the limited number of process used by Microsoft to monitor what you do. Would be interesting to show the rufus installation method
@@AmericaWhatsupit does it with the Microsoft iso, it use sysprep technique to configure the image with an answer file as if it was deployed in a company, and you don't want to use windows account in a company. nothing to see with a hacked iso, because you will still need a key to enable your version.
Keep in mind that the reason they give you free updates or free upgrades is because they want you to use their OS so they can sell your personal data. If you went to the store and purchased a box OS you should be able to install it without giving away your personal info. They know this which is why they just give it to you. You get what you pay for. Stop giving MS your money.
Thank you for this video. I don't understand how microsoft doesn't see the fact that some people do tend to run Windows on VMs (both consumers and other companies) and they'd most certainly prefer a local account instead of a Microsoft account for these VMs
Have you read the terms of agreement? It says that every user interaction in Windows is recorded and sent to Microsoft. If people use a VPN or dynamic IP it's harder to track it. But if a system is logged in, it's way easier.
That screen will pop up every now and then randomly, you can switch it off, if you hit the windows key + i to bring up the windows settings window, go to system and notifications, there should be a slider for "Offer suggestions on how I can set up my device" and "Get tips and suggestions when I use windows." Switch both of these sliders off. That will stop that screen from popping up to try twist your arm into a Microsoft account sign in again, recommend doing that before doing updates and check it every now and then, some updates switch it back on. This also applies to Windows 10, get loads of clients asking how to get rid of that screen.
There's also a way to bypass this in the registry editor. Editing it via the registry may be a more permanent solution than just killing the process each time it prompts you for it. While it may only last until the next update, it would still probably be a bit longer.
@@Mr.N0B0DY.3D If it is a computer without an existing install, the way you suggested would be preferred. However, most of the computers I deal with do already have an existing install. Having to wait a bigger chunk of time just to install the fix is impractical.
I used to work as a deployment technician at a massive company. The amount of extra grief you had to go through when installing Windows QUINTUPLED when we changed from 10 to 11. Not only disabling the "no internet" option, but so many steps that didn't need a reboot before suddenly needed one (activating Windows, registering it to a domain, etc). The "Network Connection Flow" was still the workaround when I left last November. Microsoft KILLED that since then? Jesus. What's next, twenty step workarounds to disable the mandatory electric shocks it sends you every time you refuse to enter your bank account info?
I've installed Windows dozens of times across a bunch of systems and different Windows versions. I feel like the install process is never the same twice, even when reinstalling windows in a freshly wiped system that has the exact same hardware it did when I ran the first install. I almost always install from disks and without internet as well so it isn't like the version of installer I am using is often changing.
@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter .....newer, is NOT GUARANTEED, TO BE ANY ' better '. Still using Win 7 Pro and Ultimate. NO problemos.....and yes, from CD or bootable USB with multiple windows, other ISO distributions on it. Can install anything i want to......
i install windows with the erased and deleted "windows 1809" image.. the infamous one that was removed within 12 hours after its release. Its nice to avoid 3000 updates and get one system that is 90% finished.. i can always use my old usb memory that have one of the first versions if i want a super clean system ;) The "1809" iso is the one where it was impossible to skip the pin code creation in the default iso. One guy fixed it by edit a folder setting and i can skip pin code and account creation on it.. I think the backstory around that iso is that they released it and 20% or so of the users got bluescreen so they removed the iso and installed the updates one by one instead.. and they have kept on installing the updates one by one since.. MS have tried to make me overwrite the old usb memory several times, that usb is rare now. Its the one version where you can remove all bloat.. before you update. I think its a 1805 usb memory.
Last time I did this on Windows 11 I used an Ethernet cable, which skips the WiFi setup screen, then before it gets to setting up the Microsoft account, I pulled the ethernet cable. I think you can even hit the back arrow when it asks for the Microsoft account. When that step doesn't have active internet it will allow you to make a local account. You might also be able to do so if you turn of the WiFi antenna with the laptop keyboard.
Easier way is just to disconnect from from Internet before you install Windows. And job done. Once you install and login every three days or so Windows asks you to finish setting up. Remind me later. I have not even used a CD key.
Idk if you tried but if you type “test” as the email and “test” as the password, it bypasses the Microsoft login and you can create a local account. Works every time with windows 11 for me. Feel like it’s easier.
I respect the time and effort you put into finding these workarounds, but I for one was done with having to put up with all that nonsense after every other update and decided to phase out windows altogether. My venture into using linux for everyday type of computer activities is going pretty well, by far not as cumbersome as some people lead me to believe at first. I imagine it's a combination of linux' improvements in the UX department and my understanding of how computers work that has evolved over time. Do note, I call myself an IT systems engineer... Also, don't let anyone ever tell you that gaming on linux is a no-go, because I've yet to encounter a pc game that doesn't run just as smooth or even smoother on linux (I prefer debian-based distros for gaming, though can't tell exactly why). Apps like Lutris and PlayOnLinux are improving this experience even more, by the day!
Windows 12 will probably just be $28/month with no "perpetual license" available. This is why I don't buy Adobe anymore for our organization. I don't mind paying $800 per license for a good product, but having 20 machines pay by month is crippling for small business.
Jay, you may have to consider a dedicated capture machine that will record everything coming out of a computer for these types of videos. Being able to have a "b-roll" capture machine going may be beneficial for those hard to get scenarios. That in and of itself could make a fun video.
"I don't have a product key" is intended for computers that were activated with the hardware ID previously by OEM or SI and you actually don't have a product key and want Windows to automatically detect the hardware ID and try and activate Windows for you.
These videos are great, even to someone like myself who has build experience. I used this to bypass Microsoft's nonsense today on a PC I was building for a friend.
You guys make this way harder than it needs to be. Ever since Win 10, all you have to do is type “cancel” as the email address and password. It says “oops, there was an error” and you can create a local account in the next step.
I just built my new computer a couple of months ago, and forgot to thank you for this tip when I installed Windows. So please accept my gratitude for saving me the grief of having to set up an account that I had no intention of ever using.
I remember a few years ago there was a discussion in our government about the government wanting access to all the email accounts of the ISPs. That is, the access of ordinary people like all of us. A few months later there was another discussion in our government and in an interview afterwards one of the MPs was asked what the decision was. He said they had found a solution and didn't need the access data from the providers. They would simply go over to filming the entire desktop. And when I look at the situation today, I can say with certainty that this is also being done. Mobile phones also continuously film the environment and record the sound. It's a good approach without Microsoft. The man has recognised viruses as his golden pig.... All the best to you from Germany
you do you, i changed my main OS from windows to linux/arch since it was impossible for me to trust my own computer when windows was installed on it. It was a personal choice but it was no hike in central park, it took 2-3 months to learn linux/arch good enough to use it effective. So be prepared to learn something new and change how you work in some cases like when you update. In windows you open updates and click a button and confirm with a "i promise i wont destroy this computer" button.. the moral button as i call it.. and your 8 year old kid uninstall office or something.. windows security.... is great In linux you type a command in terminal and press "confirm" and then type your password and it will update and do everything.. you can watch a stream or shower or whatever while it work.. No reboot requirement but its recommended if its a core update. The only "bug" i have got is that the browser crash when i leave it open and update in the background and when the update is finished and i open a new tab for example it wont work but i only need to restart the browser and its all good again.
@@lokelaufeyson9931 Not a bad idea if it works for you. I’ve used a handful or two of Linux distros over the years, as well as running my own Linux based server at home for near a decade now, so I’m not a complete stranger to it (although probably a little rusty by now). But there are still some things it just doesn’t do very well. Gaming for example, the only real reason I still have a Windows machine in my household, but also hardware support can be patchy with more exotic setups. That said I’m about a hair’s breadth from telling Bill Gates to GFHS for good.
For those of you who are not gamers (hardcore) or media professionals stuck in Adobe's ecosystem, my advice to avoid any Microsoft issues is to NOT use Windows at all. Jay, show them more Linux content, man. Linux Mint Cinnamon is so Windows-like and easy to use (I am in no way a tech nerd) for the average person, its a very viable alternative that requires no accounts, ever, and just works.
As many problems as there are with Windows, I would not wish Linux/Unix on any but my worst enemies. I served my time dealing with Linux/Unix and am thankful every day that I don't have to use Linux/Unix.
@@arwlyx Explain? There are certainly some things which are more challenging to get working, but the VAST majority of things are as easy or easier: pamac install vs windows: finding the download link and running the executable as admin. Some games with kernel anti-cheats don't run on anything but windows, but other than that particular niche things pretty much just work. The upside for linux users, I guess, is that if windows stays mainstream it will remain the low hanging fruit for malware.
The thing that sucks is as shady as MS has become, I really wouldn't put it past them to do something you'd expect from Apple and make it a requirement to even use the OS eventually. Of course, hackers will find a way, but it's just absolute bs they expect people to pay 100$+ for something they have no control over. If it ever gets to the point where it's literally impossible to use windows without a ms account or it's extremely inconvenient, I'm just full timing Linux even with its problems in gaming.
Same here. I've never even touched Linux but with MS going the route that they are, I've been researching Linux a lot lately and I'm gearing up to swap to it when I get a new pc.
All the shady stuff that MS has been doing with windows 11 has already pushed me over the edge. I went straight to installing kubuntu on to my new build. Not regretting it so far.
@@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755 The jump to linux is far less painful than it used to be. Kubuntu, Mint, Pop os, Zorin all try to make it an easier switch. I took a linux laptop on a month long trip overseas as my only device as a practical real world test and it went great.
You don't have to have an Apple account to use an Apple device. On iOS devices, it just leaves an annoying red spot in the Settings if you aren't logged into one.
I don't know if anyone else has caught this but, after logging in via a local account, be cautious of joining the insider program as it will automatically prompt you to log into everything else MS related, and it will swap you into the e-mail sign-in feature. Luckily if you go into Accounts > Account Settings, it will offer you the choice to stop signing-in to all things MS related and it will go back to "Local Account" mode.
One thing I’ve found is that after you connect to the internet, you select domain for work instead of personal use and it will let you set up a local account. I’ve done that with all of the new windows 11 laptops I’ve had to deploy for clients and works like a charm 👍🏼
That’s great if you are installing windows 11 professional, but if you are installing windows 11 home, there’s naturally no option to join a domain so it will not work. This cat and mouse game will only make all of us better technicians in the long run.
One time I almost got scammed to deposit some money, the trigger for me was the constant pressure to do it NOW! I feel the same with all these companies, the urgency and the need to give them that amount of control and information. Do it or else it won't work. They don't need to know, control, assist, help, guide, advise or check anything that I buy. I must have the option to opt IN or OUT in order to use a product that I purchased and let me know they won't be able to provide support if I do so. I didn't rent or loan them (be it software or hardware), I own them and should be able to use them as I see fit, no matter if I am an idiot or genius. What's next? Fridge, washing machine and stove won't function if you don't have internet and login to their unique app? Where are we headed?
Something I've been wanting to know, hopefully the community can give me some feedback. How is this any different than using our smart phones? Every Android phone you have to sign into Google to use anything. Apple, the Apple store/account. It's a HUGE deal that this is microsoft, why? IMO it's WAY more of a prying/security risk having something with a GPS chip and non removable battery, camera and mic that has all your information. Not to mention Social media apps etc. It all boils down to the fact that WE are the product.
Love your videos Jay. I work in IT and i'm always provisioning devices at work. Usually i'll do the Shift + F3 to get the command prompt to see what version of windows (Home, pro, etc). I would use Cmd+Shift+F3 to bypass the OOBE screen. It should take you straight to the desktop as the built in admin account.
Loving the content Jay. So much tech content leans toward those who already know quite a lot. I find this type of content useful, and I have quite a bit of experience - the basic content an always fill knowledge gaps.
Long ago, in a windows version far far away, an end user(me), attempted to contact MS about their invasive policies, their forced updates and anything that could be done to keep the thing I bought, having only the things I wanted on it. Their response was quick and definitive, and it ended the word war before I could reload a second volley. They said, not only to me, but in a post they linked me to, "Microsoft knows what the user needs more than the user themselves, and intend to keep our product up to date for the users benefit." Being quite the number of years later, I may have not gotten the words exactly right but I never forgot their meaning. THEY want to own the thing YOU bought and are trying to keep YOURS.
This thing of Windows 11 requiring an internet connection is absolutely vile. Are we entering an era of "always online" operating systems? Microsoft should be absolutely embarrassed that there isn't a standard offline install option during installation. I will never be installing Windows 11 on any computer I own.
To me the worst part about creating a Microsoft account is that it will then encrypt your hard drive without your permission and it will hide the encryption key from you. My wife bought a new laptop and when she first started it the hard drive was encrypted. The computer died a year later and I tried removing the hard drive and copying her data off of it. That's when I discovered it was encrypted. I went to her Microsoft account and it would not give me the encryption key, instead all it would do is try taking me to a page that didn't exist. So whether intentionally or through programming accident, you may not be able to access your data because you have a Microsoft account.
The only good thing about MS account, for me, is that when you buy a OEM Key, that key get tagged with the MS account, so you can change hardware as much as you want, but you need to log into the same account for install
I had to do that on my last install. After you're activated, go to accounts and switch to using a local account and sign out. You'll also want to got to Settings > Accounts > Email & accounts after creating your local account and remove your Microsoft account from Windows. If you don't remove the account, you'll still be partially signed in. It's a really sneaky trick of Microsoft to keep you partially signed in while using your local account. Edit: When reinstalling Windows, don't delete your old account, install over it. Windows will automatically reactivate you without signing in as long as you don't make too big of hardware changes. You can delete the old account after getting set up through Settings > System > Storage > Cleanup recomendations.
If you make an iso with Rufus there is an option for an local account, i don't know for W11 but for W10 it is an option. a colleague of my showed it to me,
Thats just what I did for installing Win11 on my Z270X motherboard which works fine with W11 on a i5-6400 CPU, had all the updates download, you just have to push it with a fresh instal.
@@komkwam I did that a week ago, even with rufus creating a local account, W11 still requires you to connect to the internet and create an account, i bypassed it using the BYPASSNRO trick, when it finished the install, Windows had two local accounts, one created during the Windows installation process and the one created by rufus.
I think I'll probably just end up switching to Linux if I'm put into a position where I'm forced to upgrade to Windows 11 and have to constantly worry about needing workarounds like this. The compatibility layers are getting good enough that 90% of what I need a computer to do, Linux will handle. The other 10% I can either live without, or find open-source linux build equivalents somewhere online.
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion in these parts, based on Jay's videos, but perhaps this is the time to give Linux a try. It's not always easy, but things are much better now than they have been in the 20nyears I have run it exclusively at home while working with Windows for work, out of necessity in my area of the country. At least you can try running it directly from a USB drive to see if your hardware is supported and can then decide if taking the plunge is right for you.
The only thing stopping me is a good alternative to RDP. I need something which to remote connect to Windows computers from Linux host and extend to multiple monitors, pass through my local mic and play the remote audio. All the solutions I've tried so far barely work. Some stretch the remote screen across all the monitors but can't extend like Windows. None can passthrough the mic and play remote audio. Only ms remote desktop is able to do this from local Windows host to remote Windows computer.
I would love a tutorial on how to stop MS Edge from randomly reinstalling itself and putting a shortcut on my desktop. Also, I'm pretty sure they sabotage chrome in some way that makes it eat a ton of storage because I constantly have to delete hundred of gigs of bloat from the temp folder. The market is so ripe for a complete windows replacement -.-
"smode" windows 10 and 11 is a stripped down version on many oem laptops that wont allow any other default browsers and search engines. her computer never said it was smode but i found out by finding the original packaging.
To get command prompt to pop up on S-Mode enabled machines you need to boot into Recovery Environment and boot into "disable driver signature enforcement" so you can Shift+F10
Thank you, sir. Even after going into the registry to get rid of S mode, I couldn’t all tab to my opened command, prompt, no matter what workaround I did to get it. I never thought of disabling driver enforcement.
4:30... not continuing to boot off USB... set the boot order in the BIOS how you want to have it first, then just use the one-time override to boot from your thumb drive. It also will prevent the issue when the system hangs with "no boot device found" with a USB device attached.
Just a note and my instance maybe a one off: When I rebuilt my AM4 platform and installed Windows 11 Pro, I followed Jay's instructions for the obbe command. That was in October of 2023 and I have yet to be asked to sign into a Microsoft Account. I did leave location turn on due to living in Mother Nature's Meteorological Etch-a-Sketch; but, turned everything else off. Whether this is s fluke or not: thank you a thousand times over Jay!!!
Good stuff Jay! Correct me if I'm wrong, MSFT seems to hold/pause on specific security updates (Cumulative xxxx for one), that will only be triggered AFTER MS Account sign in. If the user account is left at *default* user account, I have not seen these updates trigger. I have also noticed that location icon (target win10-arrow win11) shows only when web browser requests location. Unless you sign in with your MS id, this will happen much more, even while pc is idle. The most likely reason is verification (for updates/time zone/location) data that is collected. YES, even if you turn off "troubleshooting logs". IT's in EULA "as required", under data collection.
i have never got the target icon in my windows 10 but i have denied it updates for a while now.. still works fine and no security issues. The security is in my head and in my usage of the OS.. I know that i have to click every ad in twitter and on internet and its required to install every software that is offered through ads or internet sites.. Its 100% safe..
Windows users are in a strange state right now. Because they hate MS and everything they do, but when any Linux user says Linux is better than windows they defend MS and trash Linux even if they didn't use Linux before.
While i get that, linux has two major issues that holds it back, accessibility and ease of use. Linux has come a long way and is much easier to use now, in some ways even moreso than windows, but if 1 thing doesn't work right everything can come crashing down and the linux community can sometimes be less than helpful, though the rudeness of the linux community is overrated imo, it is still a there to a extent. In my example i was using majaro with kde last night, and tried to close a program from the taskbar, it closed the program sure, but it also somehow destroyed kde, so now i can't access the terminal or any other programs, so my main options is to reintall kde manjaro, another variant with a different desktop environment, or give up on linux. Again i actually agree with you that linux is the ultimate choice in the long run currently, but bugs like what i had with kde plasma can ruin the entire operating system for someone.
@@tatsuya2112 I agree. But just out of curiosity what do you mean by "destroyed kde" was it a black screen or what? And also don't forget that windows is still more buggy 😉
@@AGentooUser I mean kde plasma literally fried itself so bad that the desktop completely failed to function, the start menu, explorer, terminal, any and all GUI elements are dead and won't function and i can't access the terminal from within the desktop, it also holds after a reboot.
I`ve been going on and off on linux distros for the last 20 years. It`s interesting to see how linux and windows switched places at this point. Had Pop_os for the last year or so and recent week switched to Manjaro with Plasma and i`m just under awe how things are just working here while with MS you have to be on your a-game with those tricks in order to do some basic stuff. I think MS is starting to eat it`s own tail.
4:56 They might’ve patched this, but I used to take a 2nd windows laptop (or windows device with wifi), enable wifi hotspot, have the computer connect to the hotspot, then disconnect the hotspot on the laptop. The prompt used to try to connect to Microsoft account but would fail and go to the next step. Regardless, this is a very helpful video and just like working on cars, the moment you show it to someone else, it starts working perfectly fine
Windows 11 24H2 does not allow OOBE any longer. It's a pain in the ass especially for techs who do not join computers to domains for work and rely on local group policies.
the easiest method is this: when the Windows installer asks to input a Microsoft account (Username and Password) type the letter "a". Both in the username and once in the password field. It will give an error and let you input a normal, local user profile.
This is a useful tip. After you get everything up and running, create a local profile for yourself without "Admin" credentials. That way it will not prompt you as much for system access information because the OS knows you dont have Admin Privileges. Thats why you dont see all the Microsoft Spam at libraries. Just do your updates once a month under the Admin Account, I usually do mine on the 28 day of every month.
This is part of the cretinous stupidity of Microsoft marketing department's takeover of the installation process. Sane IT security dictates that no users should *ever* operate with an administrator level account, always have a separate elevated account for this. However Microsoft's marketing department impacts on the installation process makes this harder and harder as by default it gifts local administrator access to the first registered Microsoft account on the system. It's beyond stupid but utterly Microsoft.
What if you sign into a Microsoft Account in Skype, Microsoft Store, Office 365, Xbox apps, or any other MS services? You literally can't watch Netflix in HDR on a PC without the HEVC extensions from the MS Store, and that needs a MS account. I noticed recently it auto populates those MS accounts in the Windows Sign-in settings to make it very easy to accidentally sign in.
Appreciate you jay. Just bought a 13900k z690 build and was considering finally updating to w11. This had me sold i hating putting a pin in on w10 lol.
1. Only Home Edition requires MS Account. 2. USB Pendrive with fast write/copy is a lot faster than disc. 3. You will return to the first screen if you keep pressing any key during the "Press any key to boot to CD/USB" window. STOP doing that as it'll just create a loop. 4. Since you are burning the ISO, use Rufus and disable TPM, RAM requirement, secure boot and bypass the microsoft account
What I loved about the release of Window 11 was MS insisting it would not install on pre 8th Gen CPU's. Rufus+ISO+USB drive = Windows 11 on "UNSUPPORTED" CPU's Installed on 2nd Gen i5 CPU, early N series CPU, 4th Gen i5 and a i5 9400f. BUY A NEW PC said MS.😋😛😀
its a big road bump to get over for many users, linux isnt a "click a button and you are ready" OS.. Most windows users are used to have everything prepared and ready when they push a "install" button.. If they need to do 2 steps to open a program they dont want to do it. Its outside their bubble of comfort. You can plant a seed that will make someone try linux but it will take time for a windows user to feel safe enough to step outside the bubble of comfort.
@@lokelaufeyson9931 I understand the sentiment, but all the mainstream distros (for the most part) have installers on par or better than the windows installer in terms of simplicity and ease of use. Mint & Manjaro are especially good from my experience.
I dropped Windows for Linux around the time Windows 7 launched after realizing how nasty their monopoly was on personal computing as a whole. I'm continuously astouded to see what people are putting up with these days. I can't imagine having such an adversarial relationship with my operating system. Hard to believe they've got people thinking this stuff is in any way acceptable, but that's the power of monopolies I guess.
@D Reaper Being honest it can take a bit of work to set them up and if there's a new windows game released you have to know a bit to get it running before places like lutris, steam, or wherever have a nice solution.
@D Reaper Some games are worked on heavily, the exception proves the rule. The work is in configuring and installing the right wine packages. To get the Diablo IV server buster game working I had to find the right setup which took me 2 hours. Next time it will likely take less time, however you must admit there is a learning curve.
@D Reaper By the way I used WINE as a catch all for configing windows, as I had to edit a few windows registry values to trick it into launching a game.
I had been subscribed to this channel for years since I started building my own computers. When I started watching this video I noticed that I was not subscribed. WTF RUclips/Google!
There's way more MS spyware than what you unchecked. Unsure if there's any other tool, but I use O&O Shut Up Windows 10 (works on 11 too) to disable all the other stuff. Only downside with the tool is that it doesn't run in the background to re-block if an update flicks it back on.
@JayzTwoCents you should play with the program NTlite. it's what system builders use. you can make a windows 11 iso that has the old context menus, start button on the left, no windows logon only the programs you want and zero telemetry straight out of the gate before you even install the OS. you can even disable OEM program downloads, install drivers, programs and updates directly to the iso and skip all the bs Microsoft workarounds you just had to do in this video
I can attest that the second method still works. Just built a PC for a friend and we couldn’t install the drivers for the wifi card without getting to windows, so we used this method and it worked perfectly
This is an OPERATING SYSTEM. Why the hell you need so many stuff? An OS should do things like managing drivers, and running programs! Not forcing you to create an MS account, to collect personal data (browser history, typing data, etc..).
Valuable and helpful ! We should have seen your screen when you pressed Ctrl-Shift-Esc and that "Search" process but, yes, this is valuable and helpful video !
For those who work with classified files for example for their job: don't forget to disable defender in the register, as the windows virusscanner sends all your fileinfo to their servers. Also make sure to remove the chrome virusscanner (called reporter tool) as that also sends your entire hard drive filesystem to the google servers. It detects more than viruses alone. Logout to Google when possible. Use a VPN.
We definitely need a law against crooked software companies that want our private information.
Dennis D. It's not just the software companies. A lot of companies including Tech companies try to control the customers that buy their products. I have an LG OLED TV that has "voice assist" built into the remote control. But I can't use that feature, because I won't let LG spy on my TV usage. Sooo.. I paid for a feature that I can't use. Since the U.S. has the best Congress that money can buy. Nothing will be done about these unfair business practices... by the government any way.😢😠
Nothing about the MS account does anything about the telemetry. They are separate. I use an MS account (because it was required to get the Win 11 beta through Insider) and all it has done is benefit me. I dont have to ever worry about needing to buy Windows again unless i want to add another machine to my pool. My 3 keys can be tied to any machines i ike.
I completely rebuilt my platform. All i had to do was de-auth the now decomissioned machine.
I use this MS account for precisley nothing else (i dont use WIndows as a daiy driver).
Hmm wait. You have a RUclips account so Google has your data. Guess what. Google uses much more of the information of their customers from phones, RUclips meta and all other accounts.
Haha that would ruin american economy, there won't be anyone left except the crooked banks that lure you into beeing credit-slaves
@@aqulex84 may I add to this, when ever you click a thumbs up on a video that goes to them, then you get sent like wise videos. All software companies are about data collection. Out of Microsoft, apple and Google, I would say Google is the worst. With mobile phones and you have location enabled you may aswell be a chipped pet.
As a former tech and somebody that has installed Windows at least a million times by now, it never ceases to amaze me how often Microshaft changes subtle things about the installation process. Usually the change just makes it a pain for techs and PC support folk. It literally got to the point I decided to switch my career to carpentry. I see things haven't changed in the PC industry. Thanks for helping keep everyone's head above water Jay. Cheers.
"Computers suck, I'm going to be a carpenter instead" absolute chad move
Back in the 90's my boss and I (both software+electrical engineers) used to just look at each other and say "Let's quit and go build decks!". We hung in for another 20 years and retired.
“Nerds keep fuckin shit up for no reason, I’m gonna go into the trades.” Chadly
Hearing that, I’m happy to be a dev that has more benefits when using Linux over Windows, without having these kind of headaches
Its actually sad how IT world keeps changing for the worse.
In early 2000s I used to help people fix their PCs as a side job.
But over time it became more and more complicated with effects being worse and worse.
I fixed one part in a PC that just went out of warranty, and a week later another thing breaks.
Things that took 1 hour, required 2 days of work, and no longer guaranteed to solve problems.
The same happens to software. Its becoming worse and worse over time, requiring more resources and giving less features. At some point I decided that fixing it just makes no more sense.
Can't do this often enough! It's mind boggling that you have to repeatedly tell a company that you don't want to be stalked. And they just ignore it completely and try to cripple your legitimate attempts harder and harder. Definitely like.
_"They just won't get the data they're hoping _*_you paid to give them."_*
That was so appropriately put. 👍🍻
its a great way to make money, make the customer pay for the data collection. Its a win-loose?!
Thank you Jay. Completely with you on the whole not wanting to log in to MS account for standalone machine. One trick I have found for working out which process is the naughty one is to sort by CPU usage in Task Manager and then just run the mouse back and forth over the window you want to find. Handling all the WM_MOUSEMOVE window messages will trigger enough CPU usage to be noticeable.
As an grunt work IT guy who does lots of windows imaging, this makes me happy that other people are spreading the word. In my own funny experience I also found that if you get to the login page on accident and it wont let you back out but you cant seem to remember any fancy command prompt lines just type in "a" into the username and password for the login and it will move you to creating a local account. Not sure if it works for all win 11 versions but its worth a shot.
Yep! Works like a charme. Or you use DISM to copy the setup files yourself, bcdboot to make it bootable and then copy your custom unattend xml file into \Windows\Panther and be done. :)
Noooo i've been using this for years dont tell anyone about this one microsoft will find out and patch it!!!
Do you happen to know how I COMPLETELY disable automatic driver updates via an unattended xml file?
I Yarred the garbage and it didnt ask me any of that BS.. I see no reason using official stuff when the point is not to give them your data or whatever. Also it wasnt for me, I am not foolish enough to beta-test this trash.
You can get through the out-of-box experience with OOBE\BypassNRO, then you can toggle the reminders under Settings > System > Notifications > [Uncheck] "Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows." This is the prompt that Jay couldn't recreate reliably. Uncheck the other boxes, but that's another story.
Man, hiding that MS account requirement behind the "search" process is a new low for Microsoft.
They just keep shooting for the dirt.
It's not that they are hiding behind search. But one of search's "new and improved" function, is the ability to search within the MS account. Yeah don't get me started on that. But any who, when search is trying to index the computer and then it tries to index the MS account. When that fails, it triggers a prompt for the user to sign in. I always disable search's ability to return web results and never get the login request again.
This and a hundred other reasons is why i bought a macintosh computer, no more of these stupid problems
@@Elder-Sage ...so it isn't actually a conspiracy, but there's a legitimate reason even if people don't like that reason? lol
@@RyTrapp0 what is the reason, i wish i knew computers, i just want to ditch the ps4 and feel secure against agressive advertising and being spied on i'm prone to saying wildly inapropriate shit by modern standards.
It's appalling how difficult this has to be
Just use an account. Simple
@@timsbird1971 yup, just use a dummy acc then remove it once done installing! 😂
If you're at the point of learning how to bypass logins and having to tweak tons of settings or make significant configuration changes, it would be very beneficial to explore other operating systems.
If they'd become better competition, then sure. Linux isn't there yet in terms of software or API support. It's damning itself to be eternally niche.
@TheBcoolGuy This entrenchment environment really sucks and the cold reality is that unless users become significantly more educated, our options will be mac or windows forever. You definitely nailed it though. There is so little mainstream support to provide resources for alternatives. While the flexibility and control in a Linux environment is absolutely amazing, finding software can be like searching for the holy grail and god help you if you have never lived in cli, but I would recommend people exploring anyway. Who knows, maybe if enough people start investigating alternatives, we may one day escape the matrix.
If you're a pc gamer, there aren't much alternatives to Windows.
@@TheBcoolGuy after i have switched to linux for around 1.5-2 years ago? WHAT THE FLIP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! is it just those trashy multiplayer games with kernel level "anti-cheat" that is triggering this response? cause i have only run into like 1 or two apps that i used to use on windows that doesn't work for me at all (that doesn't have alternatives) so imma need some fucking examples for this insanity + software companies aren't really going to move unless the userbase moves first but people are creating a stupid loop with but but all my software is on windows so i don't want to move!! and then doesn't even try to use alterantives... also the software will come to linux / mac / other os if we the users move the problem is stupid people that keeps using spyware just cause they are too damn fucking lazy to try and learn something new. (and no i didn't really ever use linux before 2ish years ago i only looked at it 1 or 2 times seeing i needed it for some server stuff but other than that never used it full time for desktop before) (from what i have experienced linux doesn't seem to have the missing "API" / software support people keep saying it has this isn't 2007 anymore people...) (not to say that there isn't things missing from linux in the software department there of course are things missing but it's fewer than what people seem to think)
@@hasp24 Really? other than trashy multiplayer games with that insane kernel level "anti-cheat" what games aren't running just fine on linux? (of course those with insane drm but but most of the time those aren't even worth playing anyway so you aren't missing anything as a pc gamer) cause i haven't gamed on windows for a while now and i haven't felt like i'm missing anything? so really why are you lying? (either lying or haven't used linux at all)
I getting ready to start my first build, man I've done so much research I was actually over loaded with info so much so I couldn't make up my mind about components even though I was pretty sure what kind of build I wanted. Then low and behold I found YOU. Thank the lord. I very much like the way you explain things straight and to the point, not to much flowering or explanations more complex than the actual procedure, you know what I mean. Anyway, because of that I now have all my components sorted out, especially the GPU which was the hardest thing to pick, ready to make "informed" purchases on them and with your follow ups/ after build set up I should be up and running soon. Thanks again, man, you really helped me out. Oh and yes I will follow this up once I get up and running. Sorry for the long winded thank you.
Note for anyone working on a laptop: If the Shift + F10 combo doesn't work, and your laptop keyboard has a Fn button, try holding that down -- sometimes that F10 button is mapped by default as a media key (like mute, increase/decrease volume, etc.) and you need to hold Fn to get the Function Row to work.
-- Your friendly neighborhood IT tech
This is also the case on the logitech wireless keyboard + touchpad product line. My original one and my current gen model both have this "feature"
that is a odd key for f10 to be bound to
also what is the point of the fn key? asking as i have one that is used for my key bored lights
Without my knowledge, my mother bought one of those $200 HP stream pieces of trash. I had to grab an old when does 11 iso where are the old workarounds were still viable in order to get around the Microsoft account thing. Shift + F 10 didn’t even give me the command prompt window before I used the old iso. I even tried, remapping the accessibility button to the command prompt, at which point it pretended that there were no other windows open, and would never mark any of them as active. I even tried using the Narrator screen reader, which will normally allow you to navigate to things unseen, yeah that didn’t work either. So I know they are patching out these work-arounds as fast as they can. Another work-around that is worth tryin: Enter any random email address looking username into the username field along with a password of your choosing, then once in the system, you have the option to switch to a local account and this is where you will need your fake email address and password. So far Microsoft doesn’t require you to verify the email address that you give them.
@@qvcybe As a lot of laptops, these days are used as consumption devices, a lot of the keys are given multimedia functions; It is similar to the ability of a signing the JKL; keys to a number pad. If the other functionality is not directly written on the keyboard, you might pull up a manual, since every manufacturer will be different.
@@Sonicstillpoint83 o i have a desktop i just was seeing as my keyboard has a fn key on it
witch are used to just change the lights on my keyboard or a few other things with the lights XD
This method is fine but the newest version of Rufus will modify the iso to automatically bypass it and make a local account. It will also automatically opt you out of any data collection. All you have to do is select a Windows 10 or 11 iso, and it will prompt you and ask if you want to do any of those things. For Windows 11 you can also modify to remove the check for supported processors and tpm.
This is the way
Pretty awesome, thanks
@digpan. 3.22.2009
I'm going to use Rufus to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. Should be fine I guess since I have i7 quad core CPU, discrete graphics, 16GB RAM, and an SSD drive.
You can also install group policy editor through command prompt and not allow Microsoft accounts to be created/log in. Thanks for the information Jay, very helpful
Lol you can do that through group policy ? 😂
This still works a year later, thank you so much Jayz.
I had gotten a new Samsung 990 Pro 4TB cause I ran out of space and decided to go all out. Wanted a fresh new install of windows, everything. Well when I switched my drives around and installed it, my wifi wasn’t working anymore despite me KNOWING that it works and everything is updated lmao. This helped me a lot. I messed up in the beginning because I was using forward slash not back slash and thought I was losing my mind.
The initial bypass trick still works as of 7/3/23. I havent connected to the internet for updates yet but I just finished my new build and installed W11 and this still works so far. Thanks for protecting the people Jay!!
I'm sure someone else may have already commented this, but give Rufus a try to put the windows iso onto USB. There's a box to check that creates the iso to skip Microsoft account creation.
One thing I've noticed is that when you sign in the normal way, by just putting in your Microsoft account, the desktop, documents, and pictures folders all default to the users/%USER%/OneDrive folder instead of the standard users/%USER% directory. Running it the way JTC shows us defaults to everything in the standard folder, which I like.
Also when you do sign in with a Microsoft account from the start the User folder will not use your entire name if its too long. mine will be Jeffr with a MS account. why it does that i dont know as my name isnt too long (and yes my microsoft account has the name filled in correctly). if that bothers you local account is the way to go as renaming your user folder breaks everything.
@@misterjeffa2128 Yeah this pissess me off. I just reinstalled 11 and forgot to do all this and ill probbaly fresh install again soon and do this. Its all so annoying. They need a good antritrust case again to remind them of their place.
i can see why they do it that way, they sync and login your onedrive account when you log in to your account and if they create your user folder in onedrive you will share the data with ms and you will be able to enjoy the "cloud based" login system as well.. Its easy to login to another computer if your files is in the cloud. I dont like to store my personal files in a cloud.. dont want to store anything but useless crap in the cloud to be fair..
If you dont like cloud stuff avoid windows 11 for a while, they enabled the cloud backup by default and they "forgot" to give the user the choice to disable the cloud backup service.
Its no way to turn off cloud backups at the moment but ms promise that they "will fix the issue over time".. its up for debate if they hide something or not i guess..
@@sunnyinnv yes, you should be able to create a local account next to the old one and move everything to that account and remove the old online account.
I dont know if they have sabotaged this but you should be able to create a local account if you unplut your internet (if you cant do it while you are online)
one drive should be allowed to uninstall, its a add-on program of sort..
Look in the app details and you should find a uninstall option.
If you have the time and feel that you can handle some new things you can try and use a linux live usb and play around with it, it wont change your windows system.
Its a live test system that is the same as the installed version. That is the best way to get out of the MS hole but its a step so dont stress. Think what you need and if you need windows or not before you do the step.
Microsoft wont stop re-installing apps you remove and they will restore settings you change when they update the system and they do it a lot.
So its a choice you have to make, do you want to tweak windows for as long as you own the computer or are you ready to learn a new system that respect your privacy and your right to own the product you buy.
There is situations where you need to use windows for work or similar and in those cases you can install a dual boot on the computer.
You select the system you need at boot and they are isolated systems..
You can have the best of both worlds, both windows and linux on the same computer. Windows for work and linux for private stuff/free time..
I use dual boot at home and if i need to use something from my windows system i open file explorer and copy it from the windows ssd into the other system (to avoid bluescreen and other bugs avoid copy files into a windows file system from a external operating system, the partion size will be strange and can cause a crash).
If i need to move something from my not windows system i use a cheap usb thumb drive.. or my nas storage
This is literally the main reason to do all this. That OneDrive folder is a NIGHTMARE and I’ve bricked pcs just trying to change the name of that damn folder. PLEASE anybody who’s building a new pc, follow this guide! You do not want that one drive folder anywhere near your PC
As for taking part in both PC builds and OS editing I really appreciate the additional details and tips given in both aspects here on JTC - as being in support of the end user whether beginners or advanced levels alike....good job and always looking forward to the future solutions you guys give so well - especially in today's tech with the newer obstacles to tackle along the way.
It’s the reason that we never stop learning, especially in the technology field.
What a nice comment
@@Sonicstillpoint83 💯 💯 💯
when you mount windows image with rufus it directly gives you the option to tick and bypass required login and disable tracking, very useful
It doesn't go far enough. Better to use NTlite and make your own custom .ISO removing all the nonsense.
Microsoft keeps popping up ads like a virus scammer: They want me to "upgrade" to new outlook instead of the windows 10 mail client so when i don't even have mail open, it will once a month or so randomly pop open Outlook mail in white mode with an ad at the top email slot the same size and shape as an email, and it you click on it thinking it's an email, it will open Edge ignoring your default Firefox browser into the add website. That is virus level scammer crap Microsoft should face criminal charges for this behavior I think.
reminds me of the cod ads on xbox
I love these Videos. Building a PC and installing a OS is something you don`t do every day. It`s nice that you keep it up for us
I work as an it tech. Another trick I recently learned is if you connect to internet during setup (either ethernet or wifi), when it gets to the "sign into your Microsoft account" screen, you just type the letter 'a' in both the email and p/W field (probably works with other words etc too but I haven't tried). It'll say that something went wrong and prompt for a local account. 🙂
IIRC there are a few email addresses that can be entered that have been so abused that Setup just sighs and says OK you win, local account it is.
That worked! Thank you. All of this was too far over my normie head.
I can't believe that's still a thing, It was a local(single machine) account admin backdoor back in windows NT days, and was one of the simplest methods to bypass security for NT, 2000 and XP networks. ADMIN, ADMIN also used to work. While these back doors COULD be disabled with server groups and permissions - they almost always weren't. I remember 'hacking' my school network using exactly that trick, back in the 90's - at the challenge of our IT guy you understand, I was running my own pc repair business at 16 and he wanted some input.
That one Microsoft worker: Why don't we just stop being so forceful?
Micorsoft: You're fired.
You’re *
@@Digikidthevoiceofreason Fixed it, thanks.
IT pro here. I set up a WDS/MDT vm server on my laptop to do W11 imaging at home on my personal computers and computers I resell. A properly configured task sequence ensures that when you image a pc with w11, you bypass the network connection and Microsoft account sign-in requirements. You just get to the login screen, in my case Administrator with a short password. I’m never required to give anything to Microsoft or connect to the web before getting to the desktop.
Yep. You're not wrong, but the vast majority of people who need to watch these types of videos are not IT pros. WDS/MDT are alien words to non-IT pros.
There's actually a good reason you would not want to bypass the Microsoft Account. At this point in the setup process is when BitLocker gets engaged and the theory of operation is that the recovery key gets backed up to your Microsoft Account in case the machine should become unbootable and you need to access your data. If you do choose to bypass the Microsoft Account requirement, I would double check your C Drive to see if BitLocker is on and turn it off you feel like you need to.
lol bitlocker 🤣🤣
I just did this for the second time this month, I came to the realization that its pretty funny how people complain about Microsoft wanting your info but you don't hear the same fuss being made over Apple's OS. I guess the difference is Microsoft asks you (begs you) and Apple just does it, and if you don't like it then, "tough luck don't use our products".
Apple doesn't exactly force you to use an Apple ID. They do try their best to encourage you to do so, but you can easily opt out of using an Apple ID. Of course, w/o one, a lot of Apple services aren't available, but you can otherwise still use the computer.
Microsoft would get sued because they don't make their own systems
@@JJFlores197 What do you mean doesn't force you? Sure you can set it up without entering an id but it locks you out of half the OS without one, you can't even get OS updates until you enter one or get anything off the app store.
@@FakeSchrodingersCat In Windows 11, if you don't setup an online account, you can't continue. macOS, last I checked did let you setup your new Mac without signing into an Apple ID although they heavily encourage you to do it. Microsoft is hellbent on forcing you to use an online account just to setup your PC when there is no valid reason to do so.
@@JJFlores197 But there are ways around it as this video attempts to show. And once you have bypassed it Windows does not lock out parts of it's functionality. But that is irrelevant. I am not claiming that Microsoft is good what I object to is your statement that Apple isn't forcing you to use an Apple ID, when the choice is a false one if you want to actually use the product.
If you use one of the free tools for creating a bootable USB, like Rufus (no affiliation), the program have a special menu for bypassing some of this annoyances, like all the privacy toggle buttons, and perhaps also the MS account requirement. It helps a bit!
This is the method I use. It works great and and is SO much easier.
I have check the bypassing of internet connection but it still asks. Odd
@@villev-zc4hm It will still ask, but give you the option "I don't have internet" and then "Continue with limited experience", then you can create the local account.
For my case, I use rufus to make the usb iso so you can select to remove the prompt for Microsoft account and I use shutup10 to remove the limited number of process used by Microsoft to monitor what you do.
Would be interesting to show the rufus installation method
Not sure why Jay is not using the Rufus Microsoft ISO methos. Does all this and more. And is not a hacked ISO.
@@AmericaWhatsupit does it with the Microsoft iso, it use sysprep technique to configure the image with an answer file as if it was deployed in a company, and you don't want to use windows account in a company. nothing to see with a hacked iso, because you will still need a key to enable your version.
Keep in mind that the reason they give you free updates or free upgrades is because they want you to use their OS so they can sell your personal data. If you went to the store and purchased a box OS you should be able to install it without giving away your personal info. They know this which is why they just give it to you. You get what you pay for. Stop giving MS your money.
Thank you for this video.
I don't understand how microsoft doesn't see the fact that some people do tend to run Windows on VMs (both consumers and other companies) and they'd most certainly prefer a local account instead of a Microsoft account for these VMs
Have you read the terms of agreement? It says that every user interaction in Windows is recorded and sent to Microsoft. If people use a VPN or dynamic IP it's harder to track it. But if a system is logged in, it's way easier.
That screen will pop up every now and then randomly, you can switch it off, if you hit the windows key + i to bring up the windows settings window, go to system and notifications, there should be a slider for "Offer suggestions on how I can set up my device" and "Get tips and suggestions when I use windows." Switch both of these sliders off. That will stop that screen from popping up to try twist your arm into a Microsoft account sign in again, recommend doing that before doing updates and check it every now and then, some updates switch it back on. This also applies to Windows 10, get loads of clients asking how to get rid of that screen.
There's also a way to bypass this in the registry editor. Editing it via the registry may be a more permanent solution than just killing the process each time it prompts you for it. While it may only last until the next update, it would still probably be a bit longer.
Mind sharing the Regedit? Keep in mind to others, Regedits are risky, and all precautions should be kept when doing them.
@@fulvor778Chicken! That's why you make a backup and hack the reg to your hearts content!
This worked for about 2 months and then I got the stupid ask to “upgrade” from 10 to 11
Microsoft is like an ex girlfriend that will never go away!
I do the bypass command for every computer I need to get up and running that has Windows 11. Glad to see it get the recognition it deserves.
create install media with latest version of rufus.
@@Mr.N0B0DY.3D If it is a computer without an existing install, the way you suggested would be preferred.
However, most of the computers I deal with do already have an existing install. Having to wait a bigger chunk of time just to install the fix is impractical.
I used to work as a deployment technician at a massive company. The amount of extra grief you had to go through when installing Windows QUINTUPLED when we changed from 10 to 11. Not only disabling the "no internet" option, but so many steps that didn't need a reboot before suddenly needed one (activating Windows, registering it to a domain, etc).
The "Network Connection Flow" was still the workaround when I left last November. Microsoft KILLED that since then? Jesus. What's next, twenty step workarounds to disable the mandatory electric shocks it sends you every time you refuse to enter your bank account info?
Thanks, I'm getting ready to do a new computer. Its been 10 years since my last build and things have changed a lot.
I've installed Windows dozens of times across a bunch of systems and different Windows versions. I feel like the install process is never the same twice, even when reinstalling windows in a freshly wiped system that has the exact same hardware it did when I ran the first install.
I almost always install from disks and without internet as well so it isn't like the version of installer I am using is often changing.
Almost nobody uses disks anymore
@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter .....newer, is NOT GUARANTEED, TO BE ANY ' better '. Still using Win 7 Pro and Ultimate. NO problemos.....and yes, from CD or bootable USB with multiple windows, other ISO distributions on it. Can install anything i want to......
i install windows with the erased and deleted "windows 1809" image.. the infamous one that was removed within 12 hours after its release. Its nice to avoid 3000 updates and get one system that is 90% finished.. i can always use my old usb memory that have one of the first versions if i want a super clean system ;)
The "1809" iso is the one where it was impossible to skip the pin code creation in the default iso. One guy fixed it by edit a folder setting and i can skip pin code and account creation on it..
I think the backstory around that iso is that they released it and 20% or so of the users got bluescreen so they removed the iso and installed the updates one by one instead.. and they have kept on installing the updates one by one since..
MS have tried to make me overwrite the old usb memory several times, that usb is rare now. Its the one version where you can remove all bloat.. before you update. I think its a 1805 usb memory.
Last time I did this on Windows 11 I used an Ethernet cable, which skips the WiFi setup screen, then before it gets to setting up the Microsoft account, I pulled the ethernet cable. I think you can even hit the back arrow when it asks for the Microsoft account. When that step doesn't have active internet it will allow you to make a local account.
You might also be able to do so if you turn of the WiFi antenna with the laptop keyboard.
smartz.
Easier way is just to disconnect from from Internet before you install Windows. And job done. Once you install and login every three days or so Windows asks you to finish setting up. Remind me later. I have not even used a CD key.
@@arklight1670 or just use a script to remove bloatware, and additionally - it makes your system ,,legal" :P
@@goshu7009 ok, and where do you get this script from?
@@arklight1670 it dont let me poste links here. Type remove bloatware one tool for all.
Its made by Christitus. Take it from the link below the video.
Idk if you tried but if you type “test” as the email and “test” as the password, it bypasses the Microsoft login and you can create a local account. Works every time with windows 11 for me. Feel like it’s easier.
I respect the time and effort you put into finding these workarounds, but I for one was done with having to put up with all that nonsense after every other update and decided to phase out windows altogether. My venture into using linux for everyday type of computer activities is going pretty well, by far not as cumbersome as some people lead me to believe at first. I imagine it's a combination of linux' improvements in the UX department and my understanding of how computers work that has evolved over time. Do note, I call myself an IT systems engineer...
Also, don't let anyone ever tell you that gaming on linux is a no-go, because I've yet to encounter a pc game that doesn't run just as smooth or even smoother on linux (I prefer debian-based distros for gaming, though can't tell exactly why). Apps like Lutris and PlayOnLinux are improving this experience even more, by the day!
Windows 12 will probably just be $28/month with no "perpetual license" available.
This is why I don't buy Adobe anymore for our organization. I don't mind paying $800 per license for a good product, but having 20 machines pay by month is crippling for small business.
I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't nuked the local account feature entirely considering how hard they made it.
Jay, you may have to consider a dedicated capture machine that will record everything coming out of a computer for these types of videos. Being able to have a "b-roll" capture machine going may be beneficial for those hard to get scenarios. That in and of itself could make a fun video.
Thanks, Jay. Always appreciate these types of videos and your bias for helping out the community you've built. 👍
"I don't have a product key" is intended for computers that were activated with the hardware ID previously by OEM or SI and you actually don't have a product key and want Windows to automatically detect the hardware ID and try and activate Windows for you.
You guys are lifesavers. Thank you so much for all your hard work.
You dont need to do all that work... just type Admin in the email, and Admin again in the password and then you can make a offline account.
These videos are great, even to someone like myself who has build experience. I used this to bypass Microsoft's nonsense today on a PC I was building for a friend.
Ikr! MS' absurdities!!!
You guys make this way harder than it needs to be. Ever since Win 10, all you have to do is type “cancel” as the email address and password. It says “oops, there was an error” and you can create a local account in the next step.
Actually.. you can type anything. LITERALLY anything and get an error. :)
Hey you're right! I typed the word "anything" and it worked
@@Andy-jz1zw 😛
@@Andy-jz1zw Not just the word ANYTHING, but what-ever-you-want, like anything ;)
I just built my new computer a couple of months ago, and forgot to thank you for this tip when I installed Windows. So please accept my gratitude for saving me the grief of having to set up an account that I had no intention of ever using.
I remember a few years ago there was a discussion in our government about the government wanting access to all the email accounts of the ISPs. That is, the access of ordinary people like all of us. A few months later there was another discussion in our government and in an interview afterwards one of the MPs was asked what the decision was. He said they had found a solution and didn't need the access data from the providers. They would simply go over to filming the entire desktop.
And when I look at the situation today, I can say with certainty that this is also being done. Mobile phones also continuously film the environment and record the sound.
It's a good approach without Microsoft. The man has recognised viruses as his golden pig....
All the best to you from Germany
The harder they try to force me to use a MS account the more I'm going to resist. Up to and including dumping Windows altogether.
Same
you do you, i changed my main OS from windows to linux/arch since it was impossible for me to trust my own computer when windows was installed on it.
It was a personal choice but it was no hike in central park, it took 2-3 months to learn linux/arch good enough to use it effective. So be prepared to learn something new and change how you work in some cases like when you update.
In windows you open updates and click a button and confirm with a "i promise i wont destroy this computer" button.. the moral button as i call it.. and your 8 year old kid uninstall office or something.. windows security.... is great
In linux you type a command in terminal and press "confirm" and then type your password and it will update and do everything.. you can watch a stream or shower or whatever while it work.. No reboot requirement but its recommended if its a core update.
The only "bug" i have got is that the browser crash when i leave it open and update in the background and when the update is finished and i open a new tab for example it wont work but i only need to restart the browser and its all good again.
@@lokelaufeyson9931 Not a bad idea if it works for you. I’ve used a handful or two of Linux distros over the years, as well as running my own Linux based server at home for near a decade now, so I’m not a complete stranger to it (although probably a little rusty by now). But there are still some things it just doesn’t do very well. Gaming for example, the only real reason I still have a Windows machine in my household, but also hardware support can be patchy with more exotic setups. That said I’m about a hair’s breadth from telling Bill Gates to GFHS for good.
For those of you who are not gamers (hardcore) or media professionals stuck in Adobe's ecosystem, my advice to avoid any Microsoft issues is to NOT use Windows at all. Jay, show them more Linux content, man. Linux Mint Cinnamon is so Windows-like and easy to use (I am in no way a tech nerd) for the average person, its a very viable alternative that requires no accounts, ever, and just works.
As many problems as there are with Windows, I would not wish Linux/Unix on any but my worst enemies. I served my time dealing with Linux/Unix and am thankful every day that I don't have to use Linux/Unix.
@@billj5645 What distro were you using and what problems did you have? Also, how long ago was it, Linux has come a long way in the past decade.
@@Arshoon Can you stop being a Linux apologist? It doesn't work for everyone.
@@arwlyx Explain? There are certainly some things which are more challenging to get working, but the VAST majority of things are as easy or easier: pamac install vs windows: finding the download link and running the executable as admin.
Some games with kernel anti-cheats don't run on anything but windows, but other than that particular niche things pretty much just work.
The upside for linux users, I guess, is that if windows stays mainstream it will remain the low hanging fruit for malware.
The thing that sucks is as shady as MS has become, I really wouldn't put it past them to do something you'd expect from Apple and make it a requirement to even use the OS eventually. Of course, hackers will find a way, but it's just absolute bs they expect people to pay 100$+ for something they have no control over. If it ever gets to the point where it's literally impossible to use windows without a ms account or it's extremely inconvenient, I'm just full timing Linux even with its problems in gaming.
Windows as a Service with a subscription.
Same here. I've never even touched Linux but with MS going the route that they are, I've been researching Linux a lot lately and I'm gearing up to swap to it when I get a new pc.
All the shady stuff that MS has been doing with windows 11 has already pushed me over the edge. I went straight to installing kubuntu on to my new build. Not regretting it so far.
@@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755 The jump to linux is far less painful than it used to be. Kubuntu, Mint, Pop os, Zorin all try to make it an easier switch. I took a linux laptop on a month long trip overseas as my only device as a practical real world test and it went great.
You don't have to have an Apple account to use an Apple device. On iOS devices, it just leaves an annoying red spot in the Settings if you aren't logged into one.
I don't know if anyone else has caught this but, after logging in via a local account, be cautious of joining the insider program as it will automatically prompt you to log into everything else MS related, and it will swap you into the e-mail sign-in feature. Luckily if you go into Accounts > Account Settings, it will offer you the choice to stop signing-in to all things MS related and it will go back to "Local Account" mode.
Bought a used laptop for my mom and ran a factory reset. Method 2 worked exactly as shown, thanks!
Jay!!!! Stop saving me so much time! Thank you I’m about to finish up a build for a buddy
One thing I’ve found is that after you connect to the internet, you select domain for work instead of personal use and it will let you set up a local account. I’ve done that with all of the new windows 11 laptops I’ve had to deploy for clients and works like a charm 👍🏼
That’s great if you are installing windows 11 professional, but if you are installing windows 11 home, there’s naturally no option to join a domain so it will not work. This cat and mouse game will only make all of us better technicians in the long run.
@@Sonicstillpoint83 👍 ikr
Literally needed this last night. It's like you read my mind.
Privacy on Windows : 👹🧐🤔😰😵👉🤡
Privacy on Linux : 💯✌️😎
One time I almost got scammed to deposit some money, the trigger for me was the constant pressure to do it NOW!
I feel the same with all these companies, the urgency and the need to give them that amount of control and information. Do it or else it won't work.
They don't need to know, control, assist, help, guide, advise or check anything that I buy.
I must have the option to opt IN or OUT in order to use a product that I purchased and let me know they won't be able to provide support if I do so.
I didn't rent or loan them (be it software or hardware), I own them and should be able to use them as I see fit, no matter if I am an idiot or genius.
What's next? Fridge, washing machine and stove won't function if you don't have internet and login to their unique app?
Where are we headed?
Something I've been wanting to know, hopefully the community can give me some feedback. How is this any different than using our smart phones? Every Android phone you have to sign into Google to use anything. Apple, the Apple store/account. It's a HUGE deal that this is microsoft, why?
IMO it's WAY more of a prying/security risk having something with a GPS chip and non removable battery, camera and mic that has all your information. Not to mention Social media apps etc. It all boils down to the fact that WE are the product.
Love your videos Jay. I work in IT and i'm always provisioning devices at work. Usually i'll do the Shift + F3 to get the command prompt to see what version of windows (Home, pro, etc). I would use Cmd+Shift+F3 to bypass the OOBE screen. It should take you straight to the desktop as the built in admin account.
Loving the content Jay. So much tech content leans toward those who already know quite a lot. I find this type of content useful, and I have quite a bit of experience - the basic content an always fill knowledge gaps.
Long ago, in a windows version far far away, an end user(me), attempted to contact MS about their invasive policies, their forced updates and anything that could be done to keep the thing I bought, having only the things I wanted on it. Their response was quick and definitive, and it ended the word war before I could reload a second volley. They said, not only to me, but in a post they linked me to, "Microsoft knows what the user needs more than the user themselves, and intend to keep our product up to date for the users benefit." Being quite the number of years later, I may have not gotten the words exactly right but I never forgot their meaning. THEY want to own the thing YOU bought and are trying to keep YOURS.
This thing of Windows 11 requiring an internet connection is absolutely vile. Are we entering an era of "always online" operating systems? Microsoft should be absolutely embarrassed that there isn't a standard offline install option during installation. I will never be installing Windows 11 on any computer I own.
To me the worst part about creating a Microsoft account is that it will then encrypt your hard drive without your permission and it will hide the encryption key from you. My wife bought a new laptop and when she first started it the hard drive was encrypted. The computer died a year later and I tried removing the hard drive and copying her data off of it. That's when I discovered it was encrypted. I went to her Microsoft account and it would not give me the encryption key, instead all it would do is try taking me to a page that didn't exist. So whether intentionally or through programming accident, you may not be able to access your data because you have a Microsoft account.
The only good thing about MS account, for me, is that when you buy a OEM Key, that key get tagged with the MS account, so you can change hardware as much as you want, but you need to log into the same account for install
I had to do that on my last install. After you're activated, go to accounts and switch to using a local account and sign out. You'll also want to got to Settings > Accounts > Email & accounts after creating your local account and remove your Microsoft account from Windows. If you don't remove the account, you'll still be partially signed in. It's a really sneaky trick of Microsoft to keep you partially signed in while using your local account.
Edit: When reinstalling Windows, don't delete your old account, install over it. Windows will automatically reactivate you without signing in as long as you don't make too big of hardware changes. You can delete the old account after getting set up through Settings > System > Storage > Cleanup recomendations.
I believe if you use Rufus to create the bootable USB, it has a way of bypassing the internet screen and the M$ login when you make the bootable USB.
If you make an iso with Rufus there is an option for an local account, i don't know for W11 but for W10 it is an option. a colleague of my showed it to me,
Thats just what I did for installing Win11 on my Z270X motherboard which works fine with W11 on a i5-6400 CPU, had all the updates download, you just have to push it with a fresh instal.
Rufus coming in clutch yet again
@@komkwam I did that a week ago, even with rufus creating a local account, W11 still requires you to connect to the internet and create an account, i bypassed it using the BYPASSNRO trick, when it finished the install, Windows had two local accounts, one created during the Windows installation process and the one created by rufus.
What is Rufus?
I think I'll probably just end up switching to Linux if I'm put into a position where I'm forced to upgrade to Windows 11 and have to constantly worry about needing workarounds like this. The compatibility layers are getting good enough that 90% of what I need a computer to do, Linux will handle. The other 10% I can either live without, or find open-source linux build equivalents somewhere online.
I know this is probably an unpopular opinion in these parts, based on Jay's videos, but perhaps this is the time to give Linux a try.
It's not always easy, but things are much better now than they have been in the 20nyears I have run it exclusively at home while working with Windows for work, out of necessity in my area of the country.
At least you can try running it directly from a USB drive to see if your hardware is supported and can then decide if taking the plunge is right for you.
The only thing stopping me is a good alternative to RDP. I need something which to remote connect to Windows computers from Linux host and extend to multiple monitors, pass through my local mic and play the remote audio. All the solutions I've tried so far barely work. Some stretch the remote screen across all the monitors but can't extend like Windows. None can passthrough the mic and play remote audio.
Only ms remote desktop is able to do this from local Windows host to remote Windows computer.
If you are pc gamer ， you are stuck with MS
@@TELEVISIBLEI don't know what gamer I am but I certainly can play apex and eve online on my Ubuntu laptop
@@WenirR I don't play those.
@@MrBashem fake gamer
I would love a tutorial on how to stop MS Edge from randomly reinstalling itself and putting a shortcut on my desktop. Also, I'm pretty sure they sabotage chrome in some way that makes it eat a ton of storage because I constantly have to delete hundred of gigs of bloat from the temp folder. The market is so ripe for a complete windows replacement -.-
Linux.🙂
Don't update windows, period.
"smode" windows 10 and 11 is a stripped down version on many oem laptops that wont allow any other default browsers and search engines. her computer never said it was smode but i found out by finding the original packaging.
also only apps from the microsoft store are guaranteed to work. standard mozilla firefox or google chrome have serious hiccups
@@papadave9061gaming sucks on it. And it’s unnecessarily complicated to begin with.
And how do I get hardware temps ?
Unfortunately, skipping the Microsoft login isn't enough if you don't want your data to be sold to random 3rd party servers.
To get command prompt to pop up on S-Mode enabled machines you need to boot into Recovery Environment and boot into "disable driver signature enforcement" so you can Shift+F10
Thank you, sir. Even after going into the registry to get rid of S mode, I couldn’t all tab to my opened command, prompt, no matter what workaround I did to get it. I never thought of disabling driver enforcement.
4:30... not continuing to boot off USB... set the boot order in the BIOS how you want to have it first, then just use the one-time override to boot from your thumb drive. It also will prevent the issue when the system hangs with "no boot device found" with a USB device attached.
Just a note and my instance maybe a one off:
When I rebuilt my AM4 platform and installed Windows 11 Pro, I followed Jay's instructions for the obbe command. That was in October of 2023 and I have yet to be asked to sign into a Microsoft Account. I did leave location turn on due to living in Mother Nature's Meteorological Etch-a-Sketch; but, turned everything else off. Whether this is s fluke or not: thank you a thousand times over Jay!!!
Good stuff Jay!
Correct me if I'm wrong, MSFT seems to hold/pause on specific security updates (Cumulative xxxx for one), that will only be triggered AFTER MS Account sign in. If the user account is left at *default* user account, I have not seen these updates trigger.
I have also noticed that location icon (target win10-arrow win11) shows only when web browser requests location. Unless you sign in with your MS id, this will happen much more, even while pc is idle. The most likely reason is verification (for updates/time zone/location) data that is collected. YES, even if you turn off "troubleshooting logs". IT's in EULA "as required", under data collection.
i have never got the target icon in my windows 10 but i have denied it updates for a while now.. still works fine and no security issues. The security is in my head and in my usage of the OS.. I know that i have to click every ad in twitter and on internet and its required to install every software that is offered through ads or internet sites.. Its 100% safe..
Windows users are in a strange state right now. Because they hate MS and everything they do, but when any Linux user says Linux is better than windows they defend MS and trash Linux even if they didn't use Linux before.
While i get that, linux has two major issues that holds it back, accessibility and ease of use.
Linux has come a long way and is much easier to use now, in some ways even moreso than windows, but if 1 thing doesn't work right everything can come crashing down and the linux community can sometimes be less than helpful, though the rudeness of the linux community is overrated imo, it is still a there to a extent.
In my example i was using majaro with kde last night, and tried to close a program from the taskbar, it closed the program sure, but it also somehow destroyed kde, so now i can't access the terminal or any other programs, so my main options is to reintall kde manjaro, another variant with a different desktop environment, or give up on linux.
Again i actually agree with you that linux is the ultimate choice in the long run currently, but bugs like what i had with kde plasma can ruin the entire operating system for someone.
@@tatsuya2112 I agree. But just out of curiosity what do you mean by "destroyed kde" was it a black screen or what? And also don't forget that windows is still more buggy 😉
@@AGentooUser I mean kde plasma literally fried itself so bad that the desktop completely failed to function, the start menu, explorer, terminal, any and all GUI elements are dead and won't function and i can't access the terminal from within the desktop, it also holds after a reboot.
I`ve been going on and off on linux distros for the last 20 years. It`s interesting to see how linux and windows switched places at this point. Had Pop_os for the last year or so and recent week switched to Manjaro with Plasma and i`m just under awe how things are just working here while with MS you have to be on your a-game with those tricks in order to do some basic stuff. I think MS is starting to eat it`s own tail.
4:56 They might’ve patched this, but I used to take a 2nd windows laptop (or windows device with wifi), enable wifi hotspot, have the computer connect to the hotspot, then disconnect the hotspot on the laptop. The prompt used to try to connect to Microsoft account but would fail and go to the next step.
Regardless, this is a very helpful video and just like working on cars, the moment you show it to someone else, it starts working perfectly fine
this has been patched in 22H2 update
Windows 11 24H2 does not allow OOBE any longer. It's a pain in the ass especially for techs who do not join computers to domains for work and rely on local group policies.
the easiest method is this: when the Windows installer asks to input a Microsoft account (Username and Password) type the letter "a". Both in the username and once in the password field. It will give an error and let you input a normal, local user profile.
This is a useful tip. After you get everything up and running, create a local profile for yourself without "Admin" credentials. That way it will not prompt you as much for system access information because the OS knows you dont have Admin Privileges. Thats why you dont see all the Microsoft Spam at libraries. Just do your updates once a month under the Admin Account, I usually do mine on the 28 day of every month.
Really useful tip. I do the same. :)
This is part of the cretinous stupidity of Microsoft marketing department's takeover of the installation process. Sane IT security dictates that no users should *ever* operate with an administrator level account, always have a separate elevated account for this. However Microsoft's marketing department impacts on the installation process makes this harder and harder as by default it gifts local administrator access to the first registered Microsoft account on the system. It's beyond stupid but utterly Microsoft.
What if you sign into a Microsoft Account in Skype, Microsoft Store, Office 365, Xbox apps, or any other MS services? You literally can't watch Netflix in HDR on a PC without the HEVC extensions from the MS Store, and that needs a MS account. I noticed recently it auto populates those MS accounts in the Windows Sign-in settings to make it very easy to accidentally sign in.
@dreaper5813I have unbuntu linux on a laptop and it makes me want to snap the laptop like a flip phone
Appreciate you jay. Just bought a 13900k z690 build and was considering finally updating to w11. This had me sold i hating putting a pin in on w10 lol.
did a z690 upgrade to a 12700k last year, went with W11 and had to "adjust" and change so much crap with registry changes to get it how W10 was 😂
@ulysees321 lmao i feel you on that. System setting and audio controls are crazy different tho
@@chriswilli4ms for the good, imho. Especially after 22H2.
The second prompt after updates is almost certainly Cortana, hence closing the search task.
1. Only Home Edition requires MS Account.
2. USB Pendrive with fast write/copy is a lot faster than disc.
3. You will return to the first screen if you keep pressing any key during the "Press any key to boot to CD/USB" window. STOP doing that as it'll just create a loop.
4. Since you are burning the ISO, use Rufus and disable TPM, RAM requirement, secure boot and bypass the microsoft account
ah, so i bought win11 pro for a good reason again, i think (no ms account needed?) ? i always buy pro editions for variety of reasons.
What I loved about the release of Window 11 was MS insisting it would not install on pre 8th Gen CPU's. Rufus+ISO+USB drive = Windows 11 on "UNSUPPORTED" CPU's Installed on 2nd Gen i5 CPU, early N series CPU, 4th Gen i5 and a i5 9400f. BUY A NEW PC said MS.😋😛😀
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Linux starts becoming a more popular OS for consumers
its a big road bump to get over for many users, linux isnt a "click a button and you are ready" OS.. Most windows users are used to have everything prepared and ready when they push a "install" button.. If they need to do 2 steps to open a program they dont want to do it. Its outside their bubble of comfort.
You can plant a seed that will make someone try linux but it will take time for a windows user to feel safe enough to step outside the bubble of comfort.
@@lokelaufeyson9931 I understand the sentiment, but all the mainstream distros (for the most part) have installers on par or better than the windows installer in terms of simplicity and ease of use. Mint & Manjaro are especially good from my experience.
I dropped Windows for Linux around the time Windows 7 launched after realizing how nasty their monopoly was on personal computing as a whole. I'm continuously astouded to see what people are putting up with these days. I can't imagine having such an adversarial relationship with my operating system. Hard to believe they've got people thinking this stuff is in any way acceptable, but that's the power of monopolies I guess.
I can't play even a quarter of my games on linux. no thanks.
@D Reaper Being honest it can take a bit of work to set them up and if there's a new windows game released you have to know a bit to get it running before places like lutris, steam, or wherever have a nice solution.
@D Reaper Some games are worked on heavily, the exception proves the rule. The work is in configuring and installing the right wine packages. To get the Diablo IV server buster game working I had to find the right setup which took me 2 hours. Next time it will likely take less time, however you must admit there is a learning curve.
@D Reaper Would you say you are more intelligent than the average person?
@D Reaper By the way I used WINE as a catch all for configing windows, as I had to edit a few windows registry values to trick it into launching a game.
It's really lame that MS tries to force you into setting up a MS account. Thank you for making this video!
I had been subscribed to this channel for years since I started building my own computers. When I started watching this video I noticed that I was not subscribed. WTF RUclips/Google!
Didn't work for me. RIP.
The same for me juat restaurant the laptop without the new option
There's way more MS spyware than what you unchecked. Unsure if there's any other tool, but I use O&O Shut Up Windows 10 (works on 11 too) to disable all the other stuff. Only downside with the tool is that it doesn't run in the background to re-block if an update flicks it back on.
@JayzTwoCents you should play with the program NTlite. it's what system builders use. you can make a windows 11 iso that has the old context menus, start button on the left, no windows logon only the programs you want and zero telemetry straight out of the gate before you even install the OS. you can even disable OEM program downloads, install drivers, programs and updates directly to the iso and skip all the bs Microsoft workarounds you just had to do in this video
I prefer MSMG Toolkit myself but custom iso's is the best way to go about this stuff
@@gex581990 I'll have to try that one out. Thanks for the info
I can attest that the second method still works. Just built a PC for a friend and we couldn’t install the drivers for the wifi card without getting to windows, so we used this method and it worked perfectly
This is an OPERATING SYSTEM. Why the hell you need so many stuff? An OS should do things like managing drivers, and running programs! Not forcing you to create an MS account, to collect personal data (browser history, typing data, etc..).
The permanent workaround is to use Linux.
Nah. All my software is for Windows.
That's why you switch to Linux
Either fighting a lot of trouble with MS/Windows, or evade that entirely. That's a good plan. Also penguins are cute.
Valuable and helpful ! We should have seen your screen when you pressed Ctrl-Shift-Esc and that "Search" process but, yes, this is valuable and helpful video !
For those who work with classified files for example for their job: don't forget to disable defender in the register, as the windows virusscanner sends all your fileinfo to their servers. Also make sure to remove the chrome virusscanner (called reporter tool) as that also sends your entire hard drive filesystem to the google servers. It detects more than viruses alone. Logout to Google when possible. Use a VPN.
Thanks J just used this after biod headaches on a new 7800 x3d this was a major headache you are a lifesaver 👍👍
I only use local accounts, no online BS. Thanks for videos like these, keep em coming :D