Roman Catholicism: Contending for the Faith
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2020
- I try to graciously, honestly and without misrepresentation, deal with a number of important issues related to Catholicism; the Pope, purgatory, Mary, the authority claims of Roman Catholicism, historical challenges to official teachings of the RC church, theological problems with the gospel as it is taught in the official councils of Catholicism (especially Trent) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
The truth is that I wish I could say the disagreements I have with official Roman Catholic teaching were merely secondary issues. But, despite incredible agreement on many primary issues such as the inspiration and authority of scripture, the Trinity and the death and resurrection of Jesus, there remains the fact that Roman Catholicism teaches errors that seem to compromise the very gospel itself. I really wish I could affirm that the gospel is still in tact in the council of Trent or the Catechism of the Catholic Church, but I am honestly convinced it's not. So, with a heavy heart I think we need to talk about it. While the biggest issue here is the gospel I will still deal with a number of other connected topics and hope you'll find it helpful.
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I was born to Catholics. I went to 8 years of Catholic School. I however at the age of 25 realized I NEVER read the Bible tho I claimed to believe it. So I started reading a King James Version a friend gave me. I told my husband we won’t change religion I just want to be closer to God. I got to Exodus & God said he is a jelous God & not to have images of anything in the heavens & not to bow down to them ….hmmm at my wedding I had to bow down in front of a statue of Mary & pray to her! I had statues in my house. I read call no man father but your father in heaven. I read have No mediator between you & god except Christ. So not the priest in the confessional?? It said Do not pray in vain repetition & gave an OUTLINE for prayer the our father so the rosary?? That I repeat ‘ repeat & repeat? Then in scripture someone said. Praise the womb you came from to Christ but Christ responded NO & pointing to the crowd said you are my mother & you my brother & you my sister. So no praising Mary? She is just a blessed woman. WOW as a Catholic this is news to me. Then to find out after Christ she was no longer a virgin Christ had brothers & sisters!! Joseph & Mary had children. After reading all of that. The entire Bible reading it. I knew it was either follow the tradition of men or is God the inerrant word of God. Yes J picked God & left the Catholic faith. I also prayed for the dead as a Catholic. Heck we had masses for the dead to pray them into heaven. When you are dead? It’s done. Absent from the body present w/ the Lord for those who are saved & Christ surely said you must be born again & Roman 6 explains dying to yourself & coming alive for Christ & Paul says do we continue in sin so that grace may abound certainly not!! To me Roman 6 sums up Baptism & the symbolism of Dying with Christ & yes as an adult I chose a Christian baptism out of obedience to God. A baby can’t chose. I took all the statues in my house & began boxing them to give my sisters who are still Catholic. Then it came on me it’s not good for you it’s not good for them. Throw them out & in that moment it was revealed of course God was right!!! As much as Zi said these religious statues of Mary & Jesus are just to remind me to keep me thinking of God but in the moment of tossing them I knew of course God is right bcz I felt like it was sacrilege throwing those objects away. So obviously they meant more to me then they should have. They are not little gods they are ceramic!!! Yes I was indeed glad I threw them out that was right. My children were 3 & newborn when I came to Christ & I raised them in the church & they married Christians & home school. I have been so very blessed. God did call me & delivered me from being a Catholic. I loved Jesus but I didn’t know Jesus & in my Catholic faith I had to be good to be saved. It was very works based. Jesus said it is finished & indeed it was or he died for nothing !! I know looking back that I was dead in that religion, in spite of that God called me to know him by knowing his word. I am humbled by his Grace & so unworthy. In Christ though I am made whole. In Christ , being washed in his blood I have eternal life !!!
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My husband is catholic by inheritance. He doesn't read the bible or go to church. I'm a Jehovah witnesses but I have started to lose faith in this community. I'm starting to realized that we are not different than the rest. The only thing that we differentiates us is that we don't believe in the trinity. I want to go and experience for myself what is like in other christian communities. But it's really hard for me to let go of the non-trinitarian believe. We decided to start going to mass on Sundays. But I feel very anxious. I know in my heart catholics have many traditions and I'm not sure if I can convert and still not follow all their traditions. Kinda like doing my own thing you know. If I know something is not biblical, I can choose to not participate. But then, I could pretty mu h do the same elsewhere😔😏😒🙏
@@SalvarezP I pray God takes you away from your cult and to Him
Beautiful testimony sister! You found the truth in Jesus! God bless you and your babies! ❤️
@@SalvarezP if I could offer one reason why you are losing faith, in these religions is exactly because of the fact that they are religions. There is only one genuine way, and it's the way of salvation through Jesus Christ. Being a Christian is not a religious denomination, it's the faith. Salvarez, I'm here to encourage you in the truth of the gospel. Jesus Christ is alive today, He dwells within born again believers. An encounter with Christ changes everything. It's spiritual and it's more than religion. The real Jesus Christ is the one we encounter, and if you call on Him and Him alone, He will save you and He will respond. The fabrications of religion keep people in bondage and they become spiritually dead. Ma'am, if you look at it through the lense of religion, it will be easy to lose faith because it's not anchored in the foundations of Christ. Seek Jesus for yourself, read the gospel for yourself believe in Him and Him only, cry out to him be honest where you're at ask him to help you and I promise you he will answer. I promise you. Thousands of testimonies exist in the name of Jesus, people being saved, salvation itself is a beautiful gift and it's real and I want to to know it's bigger than religion, it's relationship, it's not about works, ma'am that's what makes it genuine, not religion. Seek Jesus for yourself, believe in Him, believe that He is. Ma'am that's where the birth happens, faith in Christ saves. I promise if you seek Him, you call on His name. He will find you, I promise. Don't let Satan and the religion and even opinions of loved ones try to change you for doing other wise. I know you're confused, scared and tired, but I promise you, Jesus is bigger and so much more than all this, and yes it's something you can have and it's not earned. I promise. Call out to Jesus, call out to him, with your heart. Be honest with Him but trust Him, even if it's as small as a mustard seed. God loves you and wants you to know the Truth, His love and mercies and grace are legit, have faith in God, not the people. I will be praying for you, God bless you and remember, He loves you and wants you to know that, Jesus wants your whole heart.. don't be convinced by the counterfeits, Jesus saves and He's the real deal. Call out to Him ❤️
I don't do good works to BE saved. I do them because I AM Saved.
See Matt. 5: 46-48.
This is true. We first have to be made "good trees" (saved) in order to bear "good fruit" (good works) (Mt. 12:30). But faith without works is dead. Jesus cursed the fig tree that failed to bear fruit in its season. If we claim to be born-again Christians, we will produce good works as naturally as a good tree bears fruit. If we do not bear fruit, the ax is laid to our roots and we are thrown into the fire (Matthew 3:10).
@@sidgar1........If YOU mean to be ' perfect,' see Matt.19: 21.
@@miketeixeira7853 Where did I say perfect? I just said we need to produce fruit as a result of our changed hearts.
@@sidgar1..........So.......who judges what is good fruit or not ??? Jesus judges, for only He can see our hearts......see Mark 12: 39-44.
"The gospel is extremely complicated" in Catholicism. Yes. I was raised Catholic and began drifting away because of the weight of "the rules." The balance scales are a heavy burden, you can't win.
Then The Jesus People (from the Jesus Revolution in San Diego) came to town and I heard the gospel in its simplest terms. I could hardly believe it. I was floored. And I received it. Never looked back. It's 53 years later and I am still growing in the grace and knowledge of God, forever grateful for what Jesus did on the cross.
Thank you for this excellent exegesis.
The gospel message is to repent and believe, this is what is taught in catholicsm I should know I’m catholic and find it simple enough I’m only average intelligence,ish 😊
@@toneyh1 I don't think you're listening to your own church. You can do so much more for your salvation in Catholicism, including engaging on the vatican's social media (see the vatican decree made for World Youth Day special indulgences). The vatican can flippantly grant pardon from punishment like this, making a mockery of Jesus' cross, and using false authority to promote their own events and activities. Repenting and believing has never been enough in the Catholic church.
I was a Catholic for 22 years and realised I was a sinner and didn't know Jesus whatsoever! I gave my life to Christ and now I just walk with God and build my relationship with God through reading his beautiful word! I have been born again! John 6:29
Unbelievable !!! So who do YOU think the confessional was for ??? Sorry that YOU were not taught that the RCC is the hospital for sinners and Jesus is the Divine Healer.
"I have been born again! "
You were Born Again scripturally when you were baptized.
"didn't know Jesus whatsoever!"
Sounds like you never took time to learn your faith. I suspect you seldom went to Mass, where you received his Resurrected Body and Blood in the Eucharist, a means for receiving his Grace. So too, a relationship with him, instituted by HIM, that no protestant has.
@@Michael-nb4ngthe confessional, for most Catholics I know, is the thing you have to do occasionally so you can continue in sin.
Hi, I’m not sure why you thought you couldn’t get to know Jesus as a Catholic. But ok.
@@Michael-nb4ng a sinful priest does not have authority to forgive sins.
Born and raised Catholic. Went to a Protestant church on the North Shore of Oahu. First time I heard the Bible taught. They were reading from the gospel of John Chapter One. The Holy Spirit opened my heart when I heard John’s gospel read. I then researched Catholicism and never went back. I’m so thankful for God opening my heart to receive the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
At every Mass the OT prophesies are read, followed by a psalm of longing; then we stand for the NT fulfillment of Jesus. Don't know how YOU never heard the Bible. Enjoy YOU Protestant Church, for there is where God wants YOU for now.
At EVERY Catholic Mass scriptures read or sung today's is First Reading Acts 14:5-18,
Responsorial Psalm, Psalms 115:1-4, 15-16, Gospel John 14:21-26
Yesterdays>>>First Reading Acts 9:26-31, Second Reading 1 John 3:18-24,
Gospel
John 15:1-8
Are you serious!? You must have fallen asleep for the Liturgy of the Word then, or just never went to a Catholic Mass. I find it impossible to believe you NEVER hear the Bible as a Catholic. It just does not check out.
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You claim the church reads these scriptures, but none of them support many of the doctrines that the Catholic Church claims. It's one thing to say you read the Bible. It's another thing to understand and interpret it correctly.
@@clarenceappleton2915 Self-interpretation is pride, and pride is satan's realm......see 2 Peter 1: 20.
I need prayers to strengthen my faith in Jesus Christ. My Saviour and King.
Prayed for ya and will continue❤
Thanks. And i will pray for you. God Bless
As often as I remember to
And I would ask for the same
Amen, brother. We all do! God bless you and keep you, the LORD look upon you and be gracious to you, the LORD make His face to shine upon you and give you peace.
I pray that God will strengthen you to know, if you are in Jesus (I trust that you have put your trust in Jesus alone for your salvation), just more and more the dimensions of the love of God for us who are in Christ. Amen.
Thank you for your grace in discussing this. I'm in turmoil. My head is swimming. My heart is bothered. But I will pray to Jesus Christ for guidance.
I hope you find the answers your heart seeks. Jeremiah 29:13
Jesus defined a Christian - Must take up your Cross daily, deny yourself and follow Me - Matthew 16:24.
Jesus fasted - superhumanly - 40 days/nights. He dismissed Satan who mocked Him for fasting when He could have all the bread to eat - Matthew 4. Jesus also rebuked Peter as Satan when Peter tried to dissuade Jesus from His path of sufferings and death. And Jesus did not take the sour wine offered to Him whilst on the Cross to deaden the pain. And Jesus did a World of Works - John 21:25.
==== Christian Rule of Thumb is that if anything is hard/difficult, it is from God. On the other hand, if it is -easy - it is from the devil ========
The fact is that there are Catholics who leave the Faith because they say it has too many rules and regulations. Of course, they don't realize it is that rules and regulations are like Commandments which were God issued so that these create a boundary beyond which the devil like a roaring is prowling about seeking somebody to devour.
On the other hand, Protestantism has no rules and regulations, no requirements and only promises - Easy Christianity and cheap Grace.
List of - Hard - Facts = Commandments - Love God and Neighbour, including Enemies; God's Testing; Strive to enter Heavenly narrow gates for Few will enter - Mat. 7:14 & Luke 13:23-24; Confess to another - John 20:22-23; Eat My Flesh, drink My Blood - Real Food - for Eternal Life - John 6:53-58; Jesus' Parables requiring the multiplication o Talents, becoming more fruitful "soil," wise "virgins" carrying oil, etc.; Vengeance is Mine, I will repay; Fasting, Prayer and Almsgiving = Rewarded by the Father who sees in secret - Matthew 6. Jesus urged the necessity of praying always - Luke 18:1. Thus Catholics have adopted the responsibility of praying for others, just as Jesus urged Peter to pray and thereby strengthen the others - Luke 22:32.
List of - Easy - Facts = With Faith alone, one is saved and name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life, never to be erased; God's Commandments and Testing have been overtaken by Jesus' sacrifice and covered with His Precious Blood. Thus the Guarantee - Absent in the Flesh, present with the Lord, forever; The 4 Gospels were meant for the - lost - people of Israel. Now there is a new covenant in the Blood of the Lamb which means - Once Saved, Forever Saved; Works are unnecessary for Salvation and are boastful; Marriages that end in - easy - divorce and remarriages.
What is the Gospel Message ??
The 4 books of the Bible, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are titled - The Gospel - according to Matthew / Mark / Luke / John. This was the same Gospel message revealed to Paul by Jesus - Galatians 1:12 - which reflected the Teachings and Doings of Jesus and which Paul proclaimed - verbally - on his missionary journeys.
Later on, after Paul had received reports from faithful and trustworthy members, he sent out letters to the churches he had established to commend them or to correct them and even provide more insight and clarification. The Bible titles these letters as - Epistles - to the various churches of Corinth, Philippi, etc. Thus, these Epistles were Paul's means of keeping in touch with, as well as providing a Review/Report of the status of the churches he wrote to and to whom he had previously preached - verbally - the Gospel. Besides, 2 of Paul's letters have gone missing - see 1 Cor. 5:9 and Col. 4:16
Common sense would therefore dictate that we place our doctrines and belief systems first and foremost on these Gospels, and keep everything else secondary. This is because our Salvation is the most important question we will ever face.
It is thus obvious that these Epistles are way-down secondary to the 4 Gospels which Jesus brought from the Heavenly Father's mind and heart for our Salvation.
Sadly, Protestants have based their - Doctrines - and belief systems on these commentaries and Epistles - instead - of the 4 Gospels. They have created doctrines that require no Confession as per Jesus' formula, denial of the - Real Presence - of Jesus in Holy Communion, and the need for Good Works despite that the Great Judgement is based on Works - Matthew 25. By declaring that only Faith is necessary for Salvation, they have effectively cancelled the Cross - the very symbol of Christianity. Yet even Paul, like a faithful Christian, boasted of the Cross -Galatians 6:14,
Will they be raptured ? Will they be saved.?
Has there ever been a storm where by the intercession of Mary has been quelled? Or is by your faith in God? However you live your life are you more deserved heaven than the man who Jesus saved who was crucified next to him?
@@fredfreeman7230 no one is more deserving than another it is on acceptance of the gift of salvation is for everyone and anyone ❤❤❤
Have you figured anything out? I feel the same. Raised in a Catholic family but just now learning what it means to be Catholic and it’s making me question everything.
“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV
If God is not the author of confusion, then tell me exactly what someone must believe to be a Protestant.
Sola Scriptura? Methodists do not believe this
Sola Fide? Lutherans reject this
If all I need to do is profess that Jesus is Lord, well Jesus Himself rejects this claim (Matthew 7:21)
Jesus also prayed that His Church should be one as he is one with the Father, yet you have various denominations preaching things that are contradictory on things like Baptism and the Eucharist, so to what extent should I stop listening to Lutheranism and start listening to Calvinism? If is just whatever I say is true, than am I not placing myself over Scripture?
I feel like Sola Scriptura in practice devolves into what I have termed "Sola Me-de" that the individual decides what Scripture means, because there is no singular correct interpretation that is taken to be authoritative. Does Christ speak with one voice or over 180 (an estimate of the number of Protestant denominations)? I think all the Protestant denominations that exist are pretty confusing don't you?
@@alexanderkaufman3575methodists and Lutheran’s are not the standard. The Bible is the standard. As for your objections. Don’t quote parts of verses. You must confess and believe in your heart that Jesus is lord to be saved. It has to be real. And make no mistake, the church of Jesus Christ IS one!! We from every nation and denomination agree on 99.9% and we do so without threatening eachother with anathemas !! That’s only you guys who curse the people of God.
@@alexanderkaufman3575 these things are elementary. So study your Bible and stop looking to corrupt institutions of mankind for your final authority. Especially cults like the Roman Catholic ’church’.
@@christineploeg1992in not Catholic but this is not a Christian way to speak to someone.
Justice: Getting what you deserve. (as in: punishment)
Mercy: Not getting what you deserve. (punishment withheld)
Grace: Getting what you don't deserve. (as in: a blessing)
Grace does not equal Merit (having earned something). The Bible talks about Merit in Romans 6:23 - "The WAGES of sin is death,...". That is all we merit. But God gives Grace, Hallelujah!
Amen! I have to use that one.
This was amazing! Thank you!
Loved this explanation. Very succinct.
Romans 2:6-11 corrects all of you!
@@harleymann5711 Taken out of context, perhaps. For example, those verses say, "but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good", but the Bible says that there are None who do good. It also says, "He will render to each one according to his works", but we've "all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God," and "there is none without sin." So we'll all go to Hell, if there is no grace. Read those verses literally and out of context, and there is no such thing as mercy or grace, only justice, i.e., getting what we deserve. But we all deserve Hell! Everything must be read in context, my friend. :)
Tonight we had a baptism service and a lady's testimony touched me. She spoke about how she realized Jesus did it all on the cross, and how she didn't have to do anything to earn salvation. I talked to her after service and she told me this video helped her understand salvation. God had led me to this video this week, so we could commiserate. Keep up the good fruit brother Mike!
But there is John 20: 19-23.
I haven't watched this video yet, but she didn't have to do anything to earn Salvation?
What about repenting of her sins?
Or changing her ways?
What about Baptism?
I never understand this about Protestant thinking. So please respond and let me know what I’m thinking wrong but,
Jesus dying on the Cross gave us the OPPORTUNITY to choose him and live the correct life.
We don’t automatically go to Heaven because he died for us. By dying he erases our sins if we repent and do what he told us. God doesn’t force us to go to Heaven he gives us free will to choose because love is a choice. So to choose we live the correct life and therefore have our sins erased.
Now if we just do whatver we want and don’t care what we do cuz Jesus died so your fine and can do whatever. Do you really care about Jesus. No. How can you. You don’t live how he told you so your not choosing him and therefore your sins don’t get erased because you didn’t want them to you didn’t care about Jesus.
If you murder tons of people and then die, you broke commandment. If Protestants don’t believe in mortal and venial sins then if that lady lived mostly good but committed small sins she also would’ve broken commandments why would that first person go to Hell and this lady wouldn’t.
At the end of the day saying you don’t have to do anything is just a cop out of what Jesus did for us and taking the easy way and verifying for yourself that you can sin and do whatever you want so you can make yourself feel better about sinning and tell yourself you’ll still go to Heaven.
@@granthintz5111that’s not the point.
Salvation is achieved through faith and repentance. “By grace you have been saved through faith.” Ephesians 2:8
It’s when you are already saved that you start to change through the power of the Holy Spirit.
If I keep punching you and saying sorry to you for doing so but keep making a practice of punching you am I truly sorry? No. It’s through repentance and faith that the Holy Spirit changes us, making us feel disgusted by our sins and making us feel pleasure in our faith and conviction.
So someone who’s truly saved who’s truly born again will not keep sinning because to be truly saved is to repent of your sins and have them washed away.
Through faith good works come.
Through faith we become kinder, more loving, more merciful and less sinful people.
Are born again Christians still victims of temptation? Of course. But they don’t make a practice of it and repent after failing.
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE. but it feels so easy and nice 😅we are lazy humans and if you present these two options as if they are both valid and let’s say they were then 100% of humans would choose Sola Fide. Welcome to Relativism where your truth is valid and my truth is valid and we can ALL be right!!!! Kind of reminds me of the BIBLE where every man did what was right in his own eyes and we saw how that turned out. 😖
Former Roman Catholic here, I'd just like to say, in regards to the sacrament of confirmation, if you're raised in the church, it's mostly done when the person is around the age of 13 (at least in the U.S.) So even though it's a "conscious" choice, It's more like a "I have to do this and agree to this because this is what my parents told me I have to do" choice. When I was 18 I went to 3 separate masses by myself. When I was there I was very observant of what was actually going on, especially during eucharist/communion. Each week I continued to get a very off-putting feeling. After the 3rd I decided I'd only step foot inside a Roman Catholic Church if it was an event I was doing with my family. Basically just Easter, Christmas, and funerals. It made me realize all of the theological decisions I made were made for me, I wasn't consciously making them myself. I ended up becoming lukewarm/borderline agnostic. Until I had a dream that when I woke up from made me think "Where am I going when I die?" All I had was a Catholic Bible, and I didn't want to associate myself with that organization anymore so I bought an NKJV, started reading, and now I'm just a Bible believing Christian. I was baptized at a non-denominational church about 2 months ago.
"There are not 100 people who hate the Catholic Church,
But there are millions who hate what they mistakenly think what the Catholic Church is."-Archbishop Fulton Sheen
"He who steeps himself in history ceases to be a Protestant." ~ St. John Newman, a convert to the Catholic Church
“We began to see that as non-Catholics, in good faith we had submitted our lives to Jesus Christ on our terms, not his.
We had no other terms. Our Christian lives had been based on our interpretation of Scriptures
or that of other persons whom we had chosen to follow.” ~
Fr. Ray Ryland Former Episcopalian Priest now Catholic
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Jesus renamed his apostle, Simon Bar Jonah to Kepha,
Rock in Aramaic, the language of Jesus.
Later, it was translated to the more popular ancient Koine Greek, Petros, then to the English, Peter.
BTW: The Dead Sea Scrolls were originally written in Aramaic.
Kepha set the first tenets of the Church at the
Council of Jerusalem in 50 ad.
He also appointed the first bishops to the 7 churches,
listed in the Book of Revelation,
St Justin Martyr and St Ignatius of Antioch***.
There were also referred to as the early first century
Church Fathers.
St Paul and the apostles acknowledged Kepha
as the authority of the Church at this Council.
St. Ignatius of Antioch*** -
"Let no one do anything of concern to the Church
without the bishop.
Let that be considered a valid Eucharist,
which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he (the Pope) ordains [i.e., a presbyter].
Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there;
just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
(Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 - 110 A.D.)
LUKE 10:16
Jesus said, "He who hears you, Kepha, hears me,
and he who rejects you, rejects me,
and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me."
Thou art Kepha and upon this Rock I will build My Church: Matthew 16:18-19
Peter is “Kepha” (Rock): John 1:42
(Jesus spoke Aramaic and called Simon “Kepha”)
GALATIANS 1:9 If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.
2 THESSALONIANS 3:6 And we charge you, brethren,
in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves
from every brother walking disorderly and
not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.
2 John 1:10 If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.
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JESUS TOLD KEPHA AND THE APOSTLES
Venial (minor) sins can be confessed directly to God.
Unconfessed venial sins will send you to Purgatory and
then to Heaven.
Mortal (major) sins need to be confessed to a priest,
the vessel of Jesus in the confessional.
Unconfessed mortal sins will send you to Hell.
Reference to a priestly confession.
Matthew 16:19:
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,
and whatever you bind (sins) on earth shall be bound in heaven,
and whatever you loose (sins) on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Matthew 18:18: Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven,
and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
The Catholic Church was started by Jesus Matthew 16:18
all sacraments are in scripture John 6 51 55
John confession when Jesus breathes on disciples and
give them authority to forgive sins or retain sins.
Jesus wants one flock. Must know the old scripture
From Gen 3 15 to Luke to Isaiah 7 14 Rev 12
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Apostolic succession: Acts 1:23-26; 2 Timothy 2:2, Titus 1:5
Clement of Rome (4th Pope, taught by St Peter)
wrote in 96 A.D. :
“Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ,
and there would be strife on account of the office of the episcopate.
For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this,
they appointed those presbyters already mentioned,
and afterwards gave instructions,
that when these should fall asleep,
other approved men should succeed them in their ministry.”
We are not given saving faith by good works,
but with the purpose that we do good works.
Works like compassion, forgiveness, and honesty.
"See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone”. (James 2:24)
Not all who say “Lord, Lord” will enter Heaven: Matthew 7:21
God renders to us according to our works: Romans 2:6
Those who die in mortal sin won’t be saved: 1 Corinthians 6:9
Faith, Hope, Charity, and the greatest of these is Love:
1 Corinthians 13:13
Works and Faith alone don’t save,
but grace by Faith that works in love: Galatians 5:6
Work of Faith: 1 Thessalonians 1:3
Those rich in good works may lay hold of eternal life:
1 Timothy 6:17-19
Those who hear but don’t do the word are lost: James 1:21-27
Faith without works is dead, even devils believe: James 2:14-26
PURGATORY
SOULS CAN'T BEND THEIR KNEE IN HELL TO JESUS.
THE UNDERWORLD IS PURGATORY,
THE WAITING ROOM TO HEAVEN.
PHILIPPIANS 2:9-11
9 And for this God raised him high,
and gave him the name which is above all other names;
10 so that all beings in the heavens, on earth and in the underworld, should bend the knee at the name of Jesus
11 and that every tongue should acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Praying for the dead: 2 Maccabees 12:43-46
Chastisement of the worthy dead: Wisdom 3:1-7
Some awake to life, some to shame, some to everlasting contempt: Daniel 12:2
Many will be purified: Daniel 12:10
Refining by fire: Zechariah 13:9
Purified like silver: Malachi 3:2-3
We won’t get out until we pay the last farthing: Matthew 5:26
Forgiveness in the age to come: Matthew 12:32
We pay the last mite: Luke 12:58-59
Sins unto death, sins not unto death: 1 John 5:14-17
Works’ll be revealed by fire; some will suffer loss but be saved:
1 Corinthians 3:13-15
Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus: 2 Timothy 1:16-18
We must be perfect before we go to Heaven:
Hebrews 12:22-23, Revelation 21:10, 27
I agree with Sylvester. Jesus started Catholic church. Facts over feelings
@@SylvesterPeter-sf3fy I don't have time to sit here and argue with people on the internet, nor do I feel like it so I'll just say this. My guy you are taking the Bible so far out of context and stretching the meaning of it, that it's not funny at all, it's just sad. Also you sited an apocryphal book (2 maccabees) which I don't want to offend you, but it's not Holy Spirit inspired. The Jews don't even have it in their Bible because it contradicts what's said in the Old Testament. I agree that Jesus started the Catholic.... However he DID NOT start the ROMAN Catholic Church. Do some history research because it's really going to help. The Roman Catholic Church states that the papacy is an unbroken line and started by the apostle Peter. Peter never went to Rome, there's little to no evidence of him ever being in Rome. And most of the popes have been terrible, awful people. We're talking crusades, torturing people and killing people for trying to translate the Bible into their own language, or because they disagree with the Roman Catholic Church, rape, incest, and many more atrocious acts. So please, do some research and throw out that catholic bible because it has false teachings that contradicts the rest of the Bible.
@@SylvesterPeter-sf3fy Exodus 20:4-5
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."
Mathew 23:8-10
"But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ."
@@johnyang1420 i would be inclined to agree, Jesus started the universal church which i believe was at first called the way. However the Roman Catholic Church was a merging of biblical christianity and paganism. Hence, the idols and the worship of the "Queen Mother"
59:25 This hit me really hard. I’m a protestant at a catholic conference right now and they have been trying to convert me. 2 guys who genuinely believe what they say have been saying things about the catholic church that made sense in isolation, but after this video it solidified my faith in Christ alone! Thank you Mike!
A protestant at a Catholic Conference. Sadly, this is how satan works to infiltrate the Church.......see Acts 20: 29.
@@Michael-nb4ngwow that remark is completely uncalled for and very ungodly. Very sad indeed
Jesus warned us that the gates of hell will attack but not prevail......see Matt. 16: 18-19.@@Notevenone
Use your head.
@@Michael-nb4ng
Protestantism is precisely the gate of Hell attacking the only church established by God.
You have spoken the truth in love Mike. I was raised in the Catholic church but walked out when I was 12 and Jesus Christ found me at 23. It has been 46 yrs of continuing adventure, exciting growth & joy in spite of some hard things. All praise & glory to God because of Jesus Christ our Lord & Saviour.
At 12 yrs. YOU walked out of YOUR Father's House and found adventure. At 12 yrs. Jesus was found in His Father's House and said , " I must be about My Father's business", and loved us to death.........see Luke 2: 49.
@@miketeixeira7853 Do you think your comment is useful here in any way?
@@miketeixeira7853 What an interesting observation.
@@libertyresearch-iu4fy..........Could be !!! It is also one of the sacraments that the RCC teaches..........the sacrament of Confirmation. It is also the fifth of the Joyful Mysteries of the Rosary.
@@libertyresearch-iu4fy Were you very sensible at 12 to walk away from anything for good?
I think you could have a great, thought provoking conversation with Michael Knowles (of the DailyWire), he's a very intellectual Catholic on top of his political commentary
i second this
Nah, Roman Catholicism is indefensible Too much heresy
@@toolegittoquit_001 so just let your brothers and sisters perish? Or would you rather have them have a conversation and possibly save some souls?
Michael Knowles is great. Klavan is my favorite, but Knowles is MUCH more in touch with where we are and what we need to do to help recover morality.
I disagree that he'd be good for Winger to talk to, though. When Knowles is pressed about a theological point from a Protestant he gets a little surfer-dude, can't-we-all-just-get-along-y. He speaks very freely with other Catholics, but his main concern is bringing Protestants back into the fold of Roman Catholicism rather than truly wrestling with our greatest disagreements.
I'd LOVE to see them have a sit down, but I don't think it serves either of their goals because Winger just wants to focus on expositing the Scriptures as they are, and Knowles wants to focus on bringing all denominations under one banner.
I think if they both had the same mission, to not dance around our true, important disagreements and to find where we truly do and don't shake hands in order to better understand one another and be honest with one another without fear, THAT would be cool and a true powerhouse discussion. But Winger just wants to exposit scripture and Knowles wants everyone under the Catholic banner, and with two different mission statements I don't think the conversation would be as amazing as you and I would wish for.
If ever there's a time where they're both on the same page about wanting to have that kind of conversation then I'd be BEYOND thrilled because they both genuinely care about their beliefs, genuinely enjoy learning and understanding, genuinely enjoy thorough intellectual rigor, and have come to their opinions after a lot of thought. We'd learn a lot about both sides that way.
Very happy to find a Knowles fan out in these corners!
@@bufficliff8978 You speak as though Mike's mission is somehow a negative. The duty of ALL believer's should be to exposit Scripture because therin lies the ONLY source of truth. It is not on Mike to somehow compromise and meet Knowles half-way. It is on Mr. Knowles to be intellectually honest be teachable and to seek the truth of God above all others with humility.
(I am a Michael Knowles fan myself.)
The catholic church kept me from knowing Jesus until I was 50. My life is finally complete, thank you Jesus for never giving up on me.
Keep this in mind, if Mike winger is correct Christianity was wrong for 1500 years until Martin Luther came !
Same…I was catholic for 20 years. I buried my husband and 4 brothers. I was heart broken that I became born again after I left the Catholic Church. If I was born again when they were dying, I would have lead them to the lord. I repented….breaks my heart
@@lanettezunica7314 so you joined a believe that is 100 years old and left one that is 2000 years old and has roots in the apostles
Matthew 7:13-14
[13] “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Just because there have been many does not mean those many were not led astray.
It seems more likely to me that the majority who simply relied on their catholic status (easy way) rather than submit to Jesus alone to save them missed the narrow gate.
@@m_arcus_m2626 its ironic you quote a book written by, preserved and compiled by the catholic church, and yet use your 21st evangelical interpretation of that book to attack that very institution. So according to you that paassage means that the church from the time of the apostles until the 16th century was lost right? is that logical to you?
Thank God, I found the courage to stand up to my family and leave the Catholic Church. Now I know the truth of salvation in Jesus Christ❤ He changed me and my life🙌
There is only one place in the Gospel where Jesus declared ' salvation.' See Luke 19: 9.
I’m happy for anyone who can get closer to God. Please realize that your path may not be the only path.
@@johnsteila6049Jesus is the only path.
Amen!! I left Catholic Church after 53 years and have been born again since 2020!! Praise God !! The Holy Spirit led me away from the oppression I had been feeling as a Catholic! Saved by God's grace and faith/trust in the blood of Christ!!!
@@brucebuechel9406 I had the opposite experience. I’m glad that you found a closer relationship with Christ, but don’t be so absolute in your judgment.
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FaithHopeGrace Ay, I’m tryna show some love for Mike. You should change your name to FaithHope cause you’re not showing any grace. 🙏
same here bro I love his content
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ABOUT FAITH AND WORKS:
JAMES 2, 14-26: "14.What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15.If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16.And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit? 17.Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18.Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19.Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20.But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21.Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22.Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23.And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. @t see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25.Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way? 26.For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
James 2, 14-26 - @t
ABOUT WORKS AND PURGATORY: 1Cor 3, 13-15: "13.Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14.If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15.If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
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@@Charity-vm4bt Why are you worried about his income? That is a spirit of envy, gossip and unholy judgment. Repent.
“In Christ alone my hope is found. He is my light, my strength, my song. This corner stone, this solid ground, firmed through the fiercest drought and storm. What heights of love, what depths of peace, when fears are stilled, when strivings cease! My comforter, my all in all. Here in the love of Christ I stand.”
the false sola scriptura doctrine is not your home. Christ did not declare "sola scriptura" and follow your own personal opinion of the bible
@@alfray1072 Nor the sacraments, nor talking to Mary or the saints. But Jesus DID say, "It is written"; and, "Have you not read?" a lot, referring to the text of the Old Testament. He also railed against man-made traditions a lot, and called out the Pharisees (who seemed to act a lot like the modern Catholic Church/Majesterium) in Matthew 23. Do as they say, not as they do. Follow the Old Testament law that they teach, but not the extra traditions.
@@blindvision4703 No. Jesus condemned the Pharisees because they had exchanged the commandments of God in favour of their traditions. Don’t manipulate that scripture to suit your hostility towards the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church agrees that one should never abandon scripture in favour of traditions
@@blindvision4703 The point is that Catholics aren’t claiming sola scriptura. You are, but then adding to scripture by doing so. So saying “neither the sacraments, nor speaking to Mary and the Saints were mentioned either” means nothing because we are not the ones claiming that scripture stands alone. You are.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 2 Timothy 3:16-17:
"All Scripture is inspired by God, and is valuable for teaching us the truth, for reproof, for correction in wrongdoing, and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God MAY BE COMPLETE, FULLY EQUIPPED for EVERY good work."
If Scripture can make me complete, why do I need the Pope? And if the Scriptures AREN'T sufficient, why do I need the POPE of all things? Why can't the Holy Spirit make up for whatever I lack?
Let's just say, hypothetically, Rome was suddenly razed to the ground, in one day, and all of the Vatican and everyone in it, including the Pope and all the Cardinals, were killed? Who would you go to now? More than that: what if EVERY Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox priest just suddenly dropped dead? Who would you go to? There are people who can memorize the Bible; name ONE person who's memorized ALL of church history and tradition. I'm just saying: the BIBLE teaches Sola Scriptura, not Scriptura et Ecclesia or whatever. And MY doctrine only relies on what Jews and Christians have been using for nearly 3500 years-God's holy, flawless, eternal word: the Bible.
The amount of Roman Catholics that are commenting without watching the video is irritating.
How do you know they aren’t watch … big brother
Catholic convert from a Greek Orthodox childhood and non denominational re- entrance into the faith.
15 minutes into this, and I see a few caricatures. Keep your heart open, Mike and keep asking questions.
God bless you
I was born and raised Roman catholic for 34 years and never understood the gospel. Went to catholic school and did all the sacraments up to marriage. Felt like I was just climbing a ladder to God but never had a true relationship with Him. But thanks be to God that I finally herd the gospel and believed it from the heart. Left the catholic church and am walking with God ever since. I actually have a relationship with Jesus instead of just following a religion.
Awesome bro
@Shameless Papist No I wouldn't fall under that umbrella. Actually the grace God teaches us not to sin and to live righteously (Titus 2:11-12) Now I hunger to read His Word daily and constantly strive to grow in His grace. I've done a complete 180 where as before I lived like the world Monday - Saturday then went to church on Sundays. Now I live for God everyday constantly looking for our blessed hope, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Amen. I have a relationship with JESUS too and he told me at my lowest point that I need it to come back to the Church. He made it pretty clear that I need it to return to the Church.
@Spacecoatz: I hope you read some of my comments above.
Having a personal relationship with Christ means this . As the Bible states "Believe in the LORD JESUS, repent acknowledge your sins and you will be saved. It does not say believe, repent and follow the Roman Catholic church. And you will be saved. Churches do not save anyone. The universal church is not a denomination it is the assembly of born again believers. It is Christ that saves and Christ that rules. it's not a magisterium or a papal decree that has to be obeyed, but the Bible through which the Holy Spirit becomes our guide. This i what gives us the assurance of salvation.
I would love to hear a comparison between Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and the other Orthodox sects that separated from Rome
Not a comparison per se, but I recommend Ten Minute Bible Hour's learning about other churches playlist. He has this series where he goes to different churches and has them explain their denomination to a protestant. You should take a look!
you'll find little to no differences
most differences are Pastoral or terminological, not Doctrinal
Hi Ann, it really isn't fair to lump all orthodox churches together, since they are not unified in any way. However, I would like to point out some similarities between the "Orthodox" Church, specifically the Eastern Orthodox and The Roman Catholic Church.
Similarities:
1) Eastern Orthodox has maintained Apostolic succession. This means that every Patriarch and Priest has had hands laid upon them by someone who can trace that Sacrament back to a specific Apostle. This allows Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox to have valid Sacraments.
2) Both agree on every truth revealed to the Catholic Church by Jesus and then sufficiently clarified by the Church until, essentially 1000 AD. This includes honoring Mary as the Mother of God, intercession of the saints, the Trinity, the books of Scripture, etc...
Differences:
1) The Orthodox Mass is much more historically accurate than the current Roman Catholic Mass (Post Vatican II).
2) The Orthodox Church does not recognize the primacy of the Bishop of Rome (aka the Pope). Therefore, the Orthodox Church cannot call a council or define anything to be infallible. I am not sure what background you are from Ann, but this was the process used by the early Church to discover the truth of the Trinity in Scripture and then infallibly declare this as a Dogma of the faith at the Council of Nicea. But, because of their schism, the orthodox church is no longer protected from error by the Holy Spirit. This is the gift of infallibility. Infallibility means that a teaching from the Bible is carefully studied over hundreds of years to see how scripture was interpreted by the earliest Christians and study to see if this interpretation was refuted, contradicted, or elaborated on throughout the entire history of the Church. If a teaching is elaborated on and refined throughout history, it can be elevated to a Doctrine. A teaching that becomes a Doctrine can is then studied further, often over hundreds of more years and numerous more generations, and if it can be studied in entirety without any room for doubt, this Doctrine can be elevated to a Dogma.
daddydaycareky si pretty much both are heretics
Roman Catholic Christianity and Eastern Orthodox Christianity differ in some very significant ways. For example what they believe about Mary, the Pope, life after life, Communion, the Church Councils, etc.
In many ways, I have heard it said that Protestant Christianity and Roman Catholic Christianity have more in common than Eastern Orthodox Christianity. I am not completely sure how true that is but I can see how it could be said.
The main struggle for me as a Roman Catholic is that it feels like I am turning away from God if I question church traditions. For example, why do we have a lot of idols and why is there a patriarchial heirarchy, it reminds me a lot of the Roman empire . Then, why I need to confess to a priest as opposed to praying directly to God. I had a not so happy experience, seeing the priest i was confessing to was reading a newspaper while I was pouring my heart out through him. :( There are a lot of good catholics, but i fear if we are being led towards a wrong path. God bless us all.
Would YOU consider YOUR avatar or pictures of those YOU love or even the money in YOUR wallet to be idols ??? Can an statue of Jesus be an idol ???
Confession to a priest is God's Will........see John 20: 19-23. God even sent His Prophet to King David to get him to confess his sins.......see 2 Samuel 12. And yes, we ought to feel uncomfortable when we offend God..........see Luke 18: 9-14. David's Psalm 51 and his grief at offending a loving Father made him a ' man after God's heart ' as is written in 1 Samuel 13: 22. I have always had caring priests and the idea that a priest would read a newspaper while in the confessional is tragic. Maybe, he was looking for a suitable prayer/or saint to help YOU ( at least I hope so.) Blessings !!!
You need to be born again and have a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Don’t despair friend.
@@dman7668 quote---We don't practice idolatry pal. -unquote
What do you call praying to Mary? Bowing to her statues, paintings???
@@dman7668 quote----Veneration isn't the same as idolatry. But I understand in your world view you think Catholics are worshipping statues and think they are all individual pagan God's.--unquote
definition of "Venerate"--to worship!~!!!!
-OBVIOUSLY whay GOD Commanded means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to Catholics. That is why Ex 20:4-6 ARE NOT in your list of Ten Commandments!!!
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
----IMAGE of any form!!! WE are made in the image of God!!!
Statues are made to represent God, Jesus, Mary, etc. Images are same as an IDOL!! When you bow to it, pray to it, etc, IT IS AN IDOL!!!! AN IMAGE of someone or something!!!
We do not have *ANY* idols in the Catholic Church
I was baptised as a child in the Mormon club, but wasn't saved until a full 20 years later. Still trying to organize a proper baptism, but finding a church in England that isn't pro-abortion is difficult for people without motor vehicles :L
I went to this 17th century church built by Christopher ren in london, nothing but queer theology 😭 many historic churches in England have to rely on music services in order to even stay alive. But there's this one church built in the 16th century called metropolitan tabernacle in elephant and castle. Think what you will about Baptist's but at least this church is not compromising theology to adhere to worldly social issues.
I don't know what you mean by saved. But you should probably have a legit baptism with the proper words and form
You don't need a priest to baptize you! Any Christian can baptize any other Christian. Baptism is just a public declaration that you beleive that Jesus is the Lord of your life! That you beleive that Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected on the 3rd day and is now seated at the right hand of the Father. That you are declaring your faith in Christ and that you are declaring to the world that you trust in Him for salvation and that He is God!
Nowhere does it say a priest or pastor needs to baptise you! It doesn't have to be in a fancy baptism tank in the church. It can be in a puddle on the side of the road! The Eunic was literally baptized on the side of the road in a puddle!
You don't have to wait for a special occasion, and you don't have tonwait to take a "baptism class" or anything else! Find another mature Christian who you love and trust and ask them to baptize you! Again, there is zero requirement in scripture that it must be a priest or an "ordained pastor' or anything like that!
God bless you!
Saved? How!?
Trent Horn, a Roman Catholic kindly requested to have a debate with you and to challenge you on your claims. Why haven't you got back to him if you're so confident about your protestant position? This is a sincere question, not trying to be a rude. I'm a protestant who's doubting protestantism and I'm wondering why most protestant apologists turn down debates against catholic apologists..
He asked me a number of times over the past year and I’ve answered. He’s got me on messenger. It seems like he’s just posting publicly to stir people like you to come onto my channel and post comments.
@@TheCounselofTrent Go Trent!
FaithHopeGrace
Wow. Really? Nobody worshipped Trent. As a former Protestant, Protestants have GOT to get an accurate definition of worship to be preached.
@@MikeWinger I like how you said "I've answered" and not "I refused", LOL.
Pathetic, do you have no honor?????? Ave Christus Rex
Mike Winger debate him if your so confident
I was born & raised Catholic, but growing up I have this question if I would actually be saved & attained heaven. Never once in my Catholic life I had the affirmation that I am saved. I felt the hunger for Scriptures & sound doctrines that the RC Church & traditions cannot give me. I keep seeking and turned to being Charismatic, and then Prosperity/ Faith Gospel. All these years I was looking for the truth but it lead me to nothing. But the Lord convicted my heart to abide in His words & never let go. The moment I turned the pages & made contact with Christ through the Holy Spirit I was never the same. I now have the revelation of what true baptism means & being born again in the Spirit. As what Paul said in Galatians 2:20, I have been crucified with Christ & I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. Christ gave me the faith & affirmation that I am saved; nothing more, nothing less...
Thank you for this Mike! Same standing as you have bec. I have my own family that are Catholics & surrounded by friends that are mostly Catholics. Even though I love my fam & friends dearly, I love the Lord my God more now that's why I can't just disregard everything He has done for me & walk hand in hand saying Catholics & Christians are pre dominantly the same.
I'm glad to be Catholic now. The church fathers led me away from the gospel you speak of. In its place I found the love for the imitation of Christ unmatched.
@@jackdaw6359 Satan loves to blind the foolish. Sorry but Satan has you by the statement you made.
@BUz: not necessarily. I guess it depends on your experience. I was baptized Catholic. I grew up in a very violent home with depression and wanted to commit suicide. I suffered a great deal through my childhood and adolescence. I was a lost soul seeking for help. I was alone. And GOD made clear to me that I need it to return to the Catholic Church. I know we have our faults but I feel that I am in the place that he wants me to be. I think people take works out of context. We believe in JESUS but when you know him then you want to do good for humanity. It does not mean that we will be save by works. What good is work if you don’t have JESUS? But if you love JESUS, then we want to help our brothers and sisters and that’s how works comes about.
The Pope is there for us to correct us. His job is to speak against abortion, to correct us when we are not following the commandments, and to protect us from persecution. Mass is mandatory for us, penance and repentance. The reason why many people don’t like Catholics is because true Catholicism is very strict and people get stress out because you are truly supposed t be praying a lot. But this dude is wrong. The Popes and bishops are not telling you come under my authority. We are not submissive to the pope. This guy is just taking things out of context
@BUZ: this dude is out of control. We don’t say that works is the gospel of salvation. I never heard that In church. The reason why no Catholic can answer his questions because he is quoting things. You get grace then works not the other way around. 🤦🏽♀️
We do follow the commandments. We believe in Jesus and we follow JESUS baptism. We don’t follow Cornelius. Cornelius did not save us.
Yes we don’t like to confess because is embarrassing. But it has help lots of people not to repeat the same sin.
We know that the Priest is not JESUS, you are over reading this context and picking.
Oh my GOD. This guy is ridiculous. Everything that he explains is crazy. This is not true. We don’t store merits. The rosary prayers are all reflecting the life of JESUS through Mary from birth to death.
I will not listen to this guy. He is ridiculous. He is dictating a fairy tale that he created in his mind to rebuke Catholics. I suggest that you don’t listen to him. He is leaving a fairy tale.
@@lucysolis1435 Lucy I am sorry for your painful childhood but if you need a pope to correct your thinking about what the Bible says you are being lead to destruction. I too grew to in a RC home. You had been indoctrinated into the lie of Satan. I was told by the nun that taught me at school that only RCs go to heaven. That statement is from the anti-christ. I will pray for God to open your mind and heart to the truth.
Romans 4:5 👑💝
"However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness."
@@dman7668 *Wow you are changing God's Word. Rev 22:18-19 is for you. Romans does mean good works.*
Rom 4. Vs 1-2 - justified Not By Works!
Vs 3 - Abraham believed (Faith) and was accounted as Righteousness.
Vs 4 - Works are debts . Vs 5 - he who Does Not Work is Justified .
Vs 5 - God justifies the ungodly, Vs 5 - Faith was accounted as Righteousness.
Vs 6 - Blessedness Apart from Works! Imputation of Righteousness by Faith.
Vs 8 - imputation of Righteousness apart from Works!
Vs 9-10 - Abraham was made Righteous By Faith before any Works.
Vs 9-10 - Abraham received seal of Righteousness of the Faith by imputation. Not Works!
Vs 11 - Promise to Abraham was through Righteousness Of the Faith.
Vs 14-15 - Faith is made void by works of the law, works of the Law brings Wrath, Not salvation.
Vs 22 - Abraham believed (Faith) and was accounted as Righteousness .
Vs 22 - Righteousness imputed on those who believed. Not those who works!
Rom 11:6 - If it is works, it's no longer grace
you said
Romans isn't talking about works the way you understand it. When it says to the one who does not work, it's talking about sin.
To the one who does not sin but trusts God who justifies the ungodly their faith is credited as righteousness.
It's not saying you don't need good works in order to be justified before God.
Raised in Catholicism, new in my heart at the young age if 8 something was seriously missing (we maybe opened the bible twice in all my years, i went to Catholic school until sophomore year) i always felt empty and void! At 14 i started going to different beliefs in search of Jesus. Until one day i took a job working for a Christian. On my first workday He asked me if i was a Christian. (Well, Catholics are Christians, supposedly)...
I spit out the word NO. I KNEW, i was still separated.
This man gave me a very small booklet called the reason why. He asked me, will you read this? I responded that i didn't know when but i would. That night, i HAD to read it! The words, i don't have to be struck by lightning to know it can kill me resonated. Im still growing and learning, but my faith has filled that bottomless void.
Denying Christ is what got Peter and the apostles in trouble. Glad a book made YOU think.
And never opened a catechism.
Read the early church fathers sermons on faith and scripture and you will see the Catholic Church and not Protestant churches.
What were you doing at mass, sleeping? The bible is read at every mass. Did you not receive training for the sacrament's as well? The scriptures are read there too. You're ignorant if you think Catholics aren't Christians. Catholics are the original Christians, there were no Christians before the catholic church. All other Christian churches broke off from the catholic church and the new testament scriptures that they so desperately cling to is the catholic holy book, written and compiled by the catholic saints.
Praise the Lord and we love you!
You have a thorough understanding of how Catholicism differs from Biblical Christianity. I was brought up Catholic but was saved at age 24. Stayed in the RC church another seven years but couldn't stand the non-gospel and distortions any longer and left. My heart 💔 bleeds for the family members still adhering to Catholicism, praying to saints, wearing medals, with confused theology and no assurance of salvation. It seems impossible to get through to them. I shall share this link with them if ever there's an opportunity to do so, because you hit the nail on the head in the kindest way without compromising the truth.
I was brought up Christian but was saved at age 34. Stayed in the Christian church another seven months but couldn't stand the non-gospel and distortions any longer and left. My heart 💔 bleeds for the family members still adhering to Christianity, honoring the day of the Sun, celebrating pagan festivals (Xmas, Ishtar), with confused theology, living lawlessly and no knowledge of sin. It seems impossible to get through to them. I shall share the Torah with them if ever there's an opportunity to do so, because it hits the nail on the head in the kindest way and IS the Truth.
If you left the Catholic church, you left the one church that Jesus started! Why would you do that?
The Catholic Church teaches the Gospel exactly. Yhere are no disortions I know of, but go on and try to name one
The RCC does have assurance of salvation..........it is in confession/charity/atonement........see the story of Zaccheus in Luke 19: 1-10; the only place in the Gospel where Jesus declares SALVATION.
Google “which church did Jesus start?” Catholic....are you in it? Get your questions answered by a Catholic apologist!
I think you and Matt Fradd (a fellow RUclipsr who is catholic) could have a deeply interesting and helpful dialogue together hashing out these differences.
Trent Horn has offered to debate him several times and he won’t do it unfortunately.
@@augustv123 I have challenged Mike Winger to enter the discussion in this forum and many other of his youtube video comments section. He will not do it. That should prove to his protestant disciples that he is nothing more than a charlatan working hard for Satan to keep souls from going to Heaven through the Catholic Church.
@@purgatorean That is telling I must admit, he can't deal with actual Catholics.
@FaithHopeGrace Romans are in a pretty good light in the Bible, maybe you didn't notice but the biblical narrative sets them up as the successors to the Jews.
Pilate famously said "What I have written remains written" and what did he write? Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews, rejected by the Jews, proclaimed by the Romans. And all the key Roman figures eventually converted, like the men who did lots for the clothes of Jesus, and St. Longinus who trusted the spear into Jesus' side, or St. Cornelius the Centurion who was the first gentile convert.
I would LOVE to see this. Matt is always so gracious and already has charitable friendships with some Protestants on his channel.
I was one of those who never understood the Gospel until I left Catholicism and began attending a non-denominational, Bible teaching, Christian church. Mike- I can't thank you enough for your great labor of love in breaking down the fundamental flaws in these psuedo-Christian sects and honoring the sanctity of the Scriptures. I'm compiling information to hopefully shine a light on these issues for some friends and family members still deeply involved in the Catholic church. May God bless you both!
Me also
@@dman7668 explain
Please reread council of trent.
Jesus is touching us..bc every thing he did..last supper..on the cross..does not happen over and over..but he transcends space and time...by who he is..always NOW.
Jesus started Catholic church. What gave you the right to leave?
Sad you were not taught well.
@mike could you provide an explaination of Rev 4 where john speaks about 24 thrones with 24 elders. What are those and does that relate to Catholics thinking?
I very much enjoyed your discussion on Catholicism. I don't know many Catholics who are saved. I'm a former Catholic myself. I can remember the nuns talking about accumulating grace through the sacraments. My Mom was a Protestant who converted to marry my Dad. She's no longer Catholic. She always read the Bible & prayed. We had children's Bibles, which I read on my own. As a result, I had difficulty reconciling what the Bible said with what the RC taught. At 14, a friend of mine led me to Christ. I'm forever grateful to him.
YOU should really read Matt. 25: 31-46.
Capsulized HISTORY of CHRISTIANITY
To get a full understanding of the whats and hows and whys of the Christian Church today, you need to know a little about Church history. Not just because it’s important to know, but because so many of the major events that have significantly shaped Church doctrine and history throughout the years have been the direct result of other events that happened before them.
Before I begin, I think it is important to say, in no way, shape or form am I even trying to give a complete report. I’m writing a blog post, not a book. Therefore, I am forced to choose only the information I feel is most pertinent while trying to be as unbiased and educated as possible. Feel free to add more in the comments!
While the overarching story of Christianity began with the creation of the Universe, the story of Christianity as a religion essentially began with the birth of Jesus Christ around 4 BC.
Prior to Jesus’s birth, life and ministry, the only way God’s people (the Jews) could have any hope of knowing God and going to Heaven was to keep the Law of Moses. For Jewish people, the law was their life, and they followed their laws like their salvation depended on it (because it did). Non-Jewish people had no hope of Heaven, according to Jewish belief.
Jesus was born a Jew and was raised in Jewish culture. All of the first Christians were as well. For the first few years, all Christians were Jews, but not all Jews were Christians. Instead, many, many Jewish people HATED Christians, because they saw the Christians as blaspheming against God.
The Spread of Christianity
News of Jesus’s death, resurrection and ascension quickly spread through the area and then out to cities farther and farther away as the apostles went out to evangelize. Keeping the message consistent was likely pretty easy in Jerusalem, where there were several witnesses, but as the Good News spread farther and farther away, it became more and more difficult to keep the message consistent. This is why Paul wrote many letters to the churches in far off cities-to correct wrong beliefs that had crept up in his absence.
The first Christians didn’t all believe the exact same things. Some Christians practiced infant baptism while others waited, for example. Still, people seemed to get along well enough for the most part. They were all of the same religion, even if they didn’t exactly agree on all of the specifics.
The Rise of Heretics
It wasn’t long, however, until some people began making claims that weren’t simply “off a little” - they were downright heretical. For example, the Gnostics rejected all things physical and claimed that Jesus was divine but not human. Arius claimed that Jesus was not eternal God, but was the first being God created. Jovinian objected to the idea that Mary was a virgin.
In order to combat these heresies and others, the Church had to take an official stand and formally state their beliefs. These declarations were not new information; they were simply affirming and clarifying what the church had always held to be true so that believers wouldn’t unknowingly succumb to heretical teachings. The Catholic Church still does the same thing today.
One such clarification was the Nicene Creed, which was written at the Council of Nicea in 325 and which Catholics still recite at Mass today. It states the basic truths that all Christians believed then and that all Catholics (should) still believe today.
In addition to the heresies, new writings (such as the Gospel of Thomas) began to circulate that claimed to be inspired that really were not. As a result, church leaders met to decide and make an official statement about which books were in fact inspired. They did not MAKE them inspired-they always were-the church simply made an official declaration.
While opinions varied somewhat on which books should be included, an official list was written up in 367, then approved by the Pope and formally approved by the church in 382. This list contained the Bible pretty much exactly as we have it today, although modern Protestant Bibles do not contain the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonical books - 7 books of the Old Testament that are still in dispute today.
The church didn’t decide which books to include willy-nilly of course. With prayer and careful debate, they compared the proposed books against certain criteria, including:
• The books had to be written by an apostle or a close follower of an apostle.
• The books had to be consistent with the rest of Scripture.
• The books had to be consistent with what church Tradition affirmed to be true. (Remember: they didn’t have a Bible yet, so church Tradition was the ultimate measuring stick up until this point.)
• The books had to already have gained widespread use and acceptance.
On a side note, it is important to keep in mind:
• This was before the printing press, so books had to be transcribed by hand onto scrolls.
• As a result, these scrolls were very expensive, especially
Some Christians, especially those who call themselves “non-denominational,” criticize Catholicism for its rituals, especially those of the Mass. They may argue that such ritualized forms of worship were only for the Old Covenant. Since we’re in the New Covenant, we don’t need all that stuff anymore.
The objection is based merely on the assumption that God didn’t intend such rituals to be a part of worship for his people in the New Covenant. To challenge that assumption, we can begin with passages in the New Testament that provide evidence that the early Christians viewed ritual as essential to their worship. See, for example, Acts 2:42, 1 Corinthians 10:16 and 11:24-29, and Matthew 28:19.
But I think there’s something more fundamental to the objection than a search for New Testament prooftexts. It’s more of revulsion to ritual itself.
This is what I’d like to address here.
There are no non-ritual cultures. The fact that every culture in human history has had rituals indicates that ritual corresponds to something in human nature.
Even American culture, which historically has tried rid itself of formality and tradition, has rituals. And I bet your non-denominational friend doesn’t mind them.
For example, we don’t think having rituals at graduation ceremonies, or in military procedures, is a bad thing. And most still think that rituals at weddings are important. I doubt your non-denominational friend would be fine with having the bride and groom just say, “Okay, we’re married. Let’s get on with it.’”
I think it’s safe to say that your friend will not deny that these secular rituals are good.
Your task now is to draw out the reason why your friend intuitively believes this. You can take your cue from St. Thomas Aquinas, who teaches that it’s befitting to man that he should “employ sensible signs in order to signify anything” (Summa Theologiae II-II:85:1).
The reason for this is that man is a body-soul composite. The body is essential to our personhood and thus is essential to our communicative powers. It makes sense, therefore, for us to use ritual-formal words and gestures by our bodies-to communicate the value of the things we’re celebrating, and how much we appreciate those things.
If it’s fitting to our human nature to use sensible signs when we’re communicating our appreciation and respect for worldly things, then it’s even more fitting to use sensible signs when communicating our appreciation and respect for God, since he is far superior in dignity to any worldly thing, and since we have a natural obligation to order all things-including our bodies-to him.
It was this sort of reasoning that led Aquinas to conclude,
Hence it is a dictate of natural reason that man should use certain sensibles, by offering them to God in sign of the subject and honor due to him, like those who make certain offerings to their lord in recognition of his authority (ibid).
There’s more to the story, however. Notice that in the above examples we recognize that not just any rituals will do. The magnitude of certain events demands words and gestures outside those of everyday life.
For instance, just to have graduating seniors come and grab their diplomas off a table set up in a parking lot would not be fitting for a commencement event. Merely having soldiers gather together in a field and saying with a bullhorn, “Hey guys, pretty good job,” and then sending them on their merry way doesn’t do justice to the value of their sacrifice. And couples who get married by an Elvis impersonator in Las Vegas dressed up in their camouflage outfits do not befit the dignity of marriage. (Although even in this scenario there is some formality!)
So, as human beings not only do we need to use sensible things to communicate how much we appreciate something, we sense that we need to use special words and gestures that befit the dignity of the thing being celebrated. And if this is true of secular things, how much more true is it of divine things?
According to Aquinas, the most befitting exterior gesture for worshipping God is sacrifice. He argues that other things that pertain to worship, such as “genuflections, prostrations, and other manifestations of this kind of honor” may also be shown to men, although when directed to God they are performed with different intentions (Summa Contra Gentiles 3:120). “But,” Aquinas continues, “it is agreed by any man that sacrifice should be offered to no person unless he is thought to be God or unless one pretends to think so.”
His rationale for this is that the exterior sacrifice signifies the interior sacrifice by which the human mind offers itself to God as the “principle of its creation,” “the author of its actions,” and “the end of its happiness.” Since such attributes can only be ascribed to God, St. Thomas concludes that sacrifice and worship ought to be given to God alone.
As to what must be offered in sacrifice, and how it is to be offered: God must tell us.
Please watch "What is the Mark of the Beast" by Hope Through Prophecy
@@jesusmaryjoseph831 "employ sensible signs in order to signify anything"
When quoting Thomas Aquinas, it helps to explain the words. Almost nothing he writes uses words with their common, modern meaning. "Sensible" in this case does not mean wise or reasonable, but rather, "can be sensed with human senses"; rituals that one can see, touch, hear, smell.
I do admire the reverence of the way the mass is done in Catholic churches. In my Lutheran church we have a coffee shop in the lobby. People bring coffee into the service as if they were going to a movie theater. We are coming in the presence of God. We do not show enough reverence.
The presence of God is everywhere. Think about it...buildings called "churches" aren't a special place where He resides. We need to show reverence at all times and wherever we go. Saving it for a "church" building is worshiping a building. The followers of Christ met in each other's homes-Christ prophesied the Temple would be destroyed and they were getting ready for that. The Temple system was done away with, but man decided to start it again without God's permission, and ever since, man has used "church" buildings to create his own fake religions, and the preachers, pastors and priests think they are their own gods. That's why they dress in robes and stand above you. Christ was accessible to everyone, owned nothing, and anyone could approach him. These false "shepherds" act like celebrities. Just read the book of Acts-and ask the Lord to show you.
I so agree with this statement! In our church people are eating snacks and drinking coffee. :(
imagine the first century church where people met in homes and brought a lunch. reverence doesnt always equate to "silence" or abstaining from food etc. i bet they had their water jugs beside them (or wine or grape juice) and took a sip whenever they got thirsty while listening to one of the apostles teach. now when someone prays, or they sing a hymn, or communion is happening or an invitation is given, its inappropriate to eat and drink or talk.
@@caman171 that's all pure speculation though. And we do know the Apostles prayed and fasted...and not even just from food. Paul discusses mutually agreed on fasting from marital relations for a time even.
@@mrjustadude1 no its not "speculation". the early church were full of converts who didnt even know about judaism much less christianity. they were talking and asking questions, and i have no doubt the apostles or the pastors encouraged their questions. every meeting was somewhat of a "catechism" class if you will. there were no cars, most didnt even have a horse or donkey, so they traveled a long way, and the "services" probably lasted several hours. so in a house with no running water or rest room, i am sure there were people coming and going. dont get me wrong, respect and 'silence" are appropriate at times, but there was much more than that
I have been struggling with Sin & Demons. And as a Roman Catholic I started going back to confession. However every time I walk on the grounds and see statues of saints, and a “white Jesus” on the cross I’m feeling I’m being mislead. The act of confessing has done nothing for me. And while I say the Hail Mary and our father the demons kept coming. It wasn’t until recently and videos from you and other Christians I’m starting to understand. A sincere thank you, I say to you.
We all struggle with sin and demons, that's literally why God sent His son to die on the cross. Pray to Jesus, not some man. Let God be true and every man a liar.
Oh and what you see is a dead Jesus on the cross in a Catholic church. Every time you go to a Catholic church you have to look at a dead Jesus. Even though He is alive.
Whether you like it or not, Jesus died on a cross. And he was resurrected. They are both him.
Wow, the devil really can access people's intellect and pride. That is why they write these horrible things.
Jesus was a Jew. We don't know exactly what he looked like. Have faith. Just look at a humble Jewish person and that is roughly what Jesus looked like. Maybe you'll see him someday, but he may not be a person - like a light.
Don't let your heart be so heavy.
Look up divine mercy here on RUclips.
Some Protestants will attack Roman Catholics all day long. They are okay with listening to their interior hatred. The devil can reach the intellect and a person's pride.
You need to learn about Catholicism from Catholic theologians, not Pastor Mike who pulls out definitions in a religious context from a dictionary.
@@metalforever12085 quote---You need to learn about Catholicism from Catholic theologians, not Pastor Mike who pulls out definitions in a religious context from a dictionary. unquote
I WILL QUOTE FACTS to you: anf then tell me I pulled them out of a dictionary.
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
----FACTS:
Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day......(.Saturday)
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Sunday)
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,(After sunset Saturday)
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday)
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, (friday) and the Sabbath was about to begin
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.( Just before sunset Friday)
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, (Sunday)
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day (Friday), in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation (Friday), since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
--FACTS:
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath"
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change of the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
You ought to talk about this in confession and ask your priest for spiritual direction. Abandoning the Church for heresy is not the answer. What is your concern about the statues of saints and the "white Jesus"?
Loved when u said "we have to talk about Catholicism because it is a part of Christianity.".. yeah, dude, like it WAS Christianity for the first 1500 hundred years . And let's not forget about the Orthodox. And now since the Reformation how many thousands of little Christianities do we have running around?
The Catholic Church is the same as it was that first 1500 years, actually even better. Why do you say WAS Christianity?
The Catholic church as it is now is NOT the first church and the same teachings. Those came a couple of hundreds of years later and developed over time.
@@minagelina of course it’s not the same as it was in the beginning. It was 2000 years ago lol. That doesn’t mean the teachings have changed, which is your claim.
The Catholic church has nothing to do with Christ. It was a power grab and is Pagan.
@@alexamaya3208 It did change though lmao they added so much. You can literally look up the timeline of how much has changed [ most in the middle ages] , even some catholics themselves do not agree now with Pope Francis and Vatican 2. They consider him an anti pope.
Read the whole bible yourself and see how much different it is. If you believe it is the word of God, read it in entirety.
I'm from Philippines, when I started reading the Bible I have "ahha" moments about being saved while I am still a sinner and Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father, not Mary, Pope or reciting 10x the rosary after confession... And life for a catholic is full of mystery no need to discover it, let it be.. Thank you for this vedio. All the merit for our salvation is through Christ alone.
clarita san you should also study what the Catholic Church really teaches before coming to your own conclusions.
@@LetGodbeGlorified right. Many Catholics don't know their faith unfortunately but just do what they do because of the culture. ( It was the same with me a few months ago, even though I have a lot to discover )
@@lonelyberg1316 You are absolutely right.
I suggest you Dr Brant Pitre's video, he will blow your mind. An excellent cathechist
@@lonelyberg1316 true. I bought that book twice for my friends. The Catholic faith( and therefore Orthodox faith) is based on the understanding of salvation in full context of the Old Testament. We won't get a full understanding of the New Testament without understanding it properly in the wider context of Old Testament. Typology is an important key to unlock the meaning of many things in the New Testament.
Mike- so thankful for your thoughtfulness and heart when you present your thoughts, you are being used in such amazing ways.
Hey Mike or anyone who knows, do you have a resource that has the citations that you are using from catholic doctrine. That would be really helpful thanks! Great content
You can download the notes from my website, biblethinker.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Mike-Winger-Catholicism.docx
@@MikeWinger thank you so much for this! Hugely helpful resource 👏🏻
@@rootedinrighteousnessHahaha an actual official document of the Catholic Church might have been more relevant!
@@wordforever117you mean the ones he references in the notes, even giving the exact location in the document he found the information?
@@isaiahmumawit is true that there are 16 references to single lines of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. None of these references back up the central point...the accusation being made by Mike Winger.
I must say you handled this with much love and Grace. This is very well done. There is so much more to be said and I believe you had a hard time holding back the "much more", but very gracefully done. Thank you very much for sharing your evidence & understanding of catholicism.
I have come out of babylon and truly appreciate this, as I find myself currently defending my new faith to an old friend and trying to lovingly show the error of what is being taught in the church. So thank you for this.
I would love a conversation between Pastor Mike and Trent Horn. This is an exceptionally good rebuttal of the Catholic faith, and I'd love to hear a back and forth with a Catholic apologist.
I have no interest in hearing heresy defended
What about Jesse Romero or Steve Ray. Smart men.
Check out Trent’s RUclips channel, The Counsel of Trent. He has responded to a number of Mike’s videos on Catholicism.
Maybe Spitzer.
How about NO man and only G od himself? That's how allllll these different sects gets started. Just stick to his word ( even better if you are born again and read it with his aid ).
Yet still no response to Trent Horn’s complete decimation and rebuttal of your previous videos about Catholicism
Why make another provocation when you are pretending not to be aware of Trent's rebuttal? Winger may be a dishonest man.
FaithHopeGrace Totally agree! Shameless Papist is just a troll anyway.
@@josephcasley7979 So
Where's his rebuttal?
What good is he (Trent ) if his theology is not biblically based!
In contemplating the possibility of joining the Roman Catholic Church many years ago, I seemed to develop an insatiable desire for truth. Since that time I have been, what some may call, obsessed with the quest for truth; devouring the King James Bible, Catechism of the Catholic Church and Abingdon’s Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Concordance. My conclusions and/or opinions presented in this manuscript are based solely on my personal study and research of the inspired written Word of God and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and are totally void of any sectarian influence. Twenty nine years of Bible study and research have been motivated out of a love for truth and not a quest just to ‘prove’ someone else wrong.
The deeper I got into the study of the Scriptures it became more and more clear to me that, contrary to the many good and wonderful things associated with the Roman Catholic Church, there are many definite and even crucial discrepancies between the doctrines and dogmas of Catholicism and the concise harmonious teaching of the inspired Word of God. Finding self contradictions within the Catechism of the Catholic Church added even more intensity to the war that was rageing inside of me. Which was, either to share or not to share my findings with my Roman Catholic family.
The three meager attempts that I made during the past twenty nine years to share some of my findings were unfruitful. The fear of alienating my self from my family was more than I could bear; which has kept me from any further attempts. It was a huge nagging and constant hurt. I knew deep inside that this thing was much bigger that just me and my family. The more I studied the more I cried. The more I cried, the harder I prayed. It was not until this past year, through intense prayer and deliberation, that I came to the conclusion that I really don’t have a choice. Family or no family ... I must follow my heart and trust God totally. I agree whole heartedly with what St. Jerome wrote: “If an offense comes out of the truth, it is better that the offense comes than the truth be concealed”. I began rummaging through and sorting out old manuscripts that I had written over the years with a sense of urgency to share the truth of God’s Word concerning the erroneous doctrines of Catholicism; not with just my family but with the world.
As you read my objections to certain Roman Catholic doctrines, please know that all of my efforts in compiling these manuscripts were born out of love and compassion for my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. Brothers and sisters in Christ who love the Lord and who believe the gospel’s basic message of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, but who are deceived and held in bondage under false doctrines derived from the traditions of man and are thereby deprived of the freedom and joy of fully experiencing the magnitude of God’s love. I earnestly Pray that the Holy Spirit will quicken the readers hearts and minds with the Truth of God’s Word and render void any "personal" opinion of mine, or anyone else's, that is not TRUTH.
When Moses was wrong on divorce, did all Israelis who divorced get hell?
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and you will see my 13 comments reflecting biblical verses contradicting this poor sap,
who takes scripture out of context, while ignoring biblical history and the
falsehood of the Evangelical Christian movement aka Reformers.
@@dman7668
"He who steeps himself in history ceases to be a Protestant." ~ St. John Newman, a convert to the Catholic Church
“We began to see that as non-Catholics, in good faith we had submitted our lives to Jesus Christ on our terms, not his. We had no other terms. Our Christian lives had been based on our interpretation of Scriptures or that of other persons whom we had chosen to follow.” ~ Fr. Ray Ryland Former Episcopalian Priest now Catholic
There are 2 versions of Jesus = the Protestant version - and - the Catholic Biblical version.
God is able to do all things. Jesus could have remained in Heaven and forgiven our sins, opened Heaven's gates to all, and did not have to come down to earth and live as one of us and die a cruel death. However, God goes to = extremes = to prove His love for us. But God has - expectations - and requires - More - from Christians because we have the perfect example of Jesus - Luke 12:48
From God's Expectations, Commandments and Testing come our guarantee of - eternal - salvation and Heavenly rewards.
Jesus defined a Christian - Must take up your Cross daily, deny yourself and follow Me - Matthew 16:24.
Jesus fasted - superhumanly - 40 days/nights. He dismissed Satan who mocked Him for fasting when He could have all the bread to eat - Matt. 4.
Later, Jesus rebuked Peter as Satan when Peter tried to dissuade Jesus from His path of sufferings and death.- Matthew 16:23.
And Jesus did not take the sour wine offered to Him whilst on the Cross to deaden the pain.
Moreover, Jesus did a World of Works - John 21:25.
Even Paul, like a faithful Christian= boasted =of the Cross -Galatians 6:14,
Christian Rule of Thumb is that if anything is hard/difficult, it is from God. On the other hand, if it is -easy - it is from the devil
The fact is that there are Catholics who leave the Faith because they say it has too many rules and regulations. Of course, they don't realize it is that rules and regulations are like Commandments which were God-issued so that these create a - safe - boundary beyond which the devil, like a roaring lion, is prowling about seeking to devour.
On the other hand, Protestantism has no rules and regulations, no requirements and only promotes - Easy - Christianity and cheap Grace.
List of - Hard - Facts ==
Commandments = Love God and Neighbour, including Enemies = God's Testing = Strive to enter Heavenly narrow gates for Few will enter - Mat. 7:14 & Luke 13:23-24 = Confess to another - John 20:22-23 = Eat My Flesh, drink My Blood - Real Food and Drink- for Eternal Life - John 6:53-58 + Partake of Holy Communion, worthily - 1 Cor. 11:26-27 =Jesus' Parables requiring the multiplication of Talents, becoming more fruitful "soil," wise "virgins" carrying oil, etc.= Vengeance is Mine, I will repay; = Fasting, Prayer and Almsgiving - Rewarded by the Father who sees in secret - Matthew 6. = Jesus urged the necessity of praying always - Luke 18:1. Thus Catholics have adopted the responsibility of praying for others, just as Jesus urged Peter to pray and thereby strengthen the others - Luke 22:32.
List of - Easy - Facts ==
With Faith alone, one is saved by Grace and name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life, never to be erased = God's Commandments and Testing have been overtaken by Jesus' sacrifice and covered with His Precious Blood. Moreover all sin debt - past, present and future - has been paid in full. Thus the Guarantee - Absent in the Flesh, present with the Lord, forever = The 4 Gospels were meant for the - lost - people of Israel. Now there is a new covenant in the Blood of the Lamb which means - Once Saved, Forever Saved = Works are unnecessary for Salvation and are boastful = And Christian Marriages that end in - easy - divorce and remarriages.
(( NOTE - In these later times we realize the tremendous growth of evil in the world. More Prayer is required to counter it. For all Christians = Protestant and Catholic = the Psalms are an excellent source of Prayer. Also it is good and beneficial to read and study the 4 Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John which contain the teachings of Jesus brought from the Heavenly Father's = mind and heart = for our Salvation. And in the 1930's, not yet a hundred years ago, Jesus our - Living God - appeared frequently to a Polish nun, Sister Faustina and urged the following prayer =
Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your dearly beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ in atonement for our sins and those of the = whole = world.
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have Mercy on us and on the = whole = world. This prayer is contained in her Diary, titled - Divine Mercy in My Soul - which is available in book-stores.
And in 1995, Jesus appeared to a Nigerian, Barnabas, and urged the following prayer = Precious Blood of Jesus Christ save us and the whole world))
By our prayers that intercede for others, we become Christ-like who intercedes with the Father, and thus save many souls.
God Bless you and thank you for doing this. I have been asking God for guidance and he lead me here and I am so glad I listened to my Lord! Thank you Jesus for saving me… ❤
For all of the videos he has on Catholicism, Winger hasn't debated one Catholic. He said he talked to Catholic apologists, but he hasn't set up a public debate for people to watch.
I wish he debates someone like Trent Horn and Michael Lofton instead of saying he debate some random Catholic with no name.
Does he have to debate someone from every false religion or just yours?
@@ApostolicEchoes
If you are going to go into the apologetic world and make numerous videos against a certain group, you need to debate at least one person to show how accurate you are about that particular group.
Mike put in a lot of dedicated time about Catholics, and he hasn't debated one Catholic yet. He made a lot of videos on atheism, and he was able to debate at least one time against Matt Dillahunty. He has been offered to a debate by Trent Horn, and Winger ignored the invitation. You can read the screenshot from Trent Horn’s Twitter that shows a RUclips comment from Mike saying he’s not answering Trent.
Debate is also a great way to get a better understanding of someone's views and beliefs. Mike made numerous erroneous claims, and he is not willing to have at least one debate with the amount of content he made about a certain group.
@@vtaylor21 so yes. Thanks.
@@ApostolicEchoes
My comment is not saying yes to your question. You asked should Mike debate someone from every false religion or just Catholics.
I said if he constantly going to talk about a particular group, he needs to debate someone from that group. That is not saying he should debate every false religion. He believes the Muslim religion is false. He barely makes videos about Muslims, so I don't expect him to debate a Muslim.
I don't know how that is a yes to your question when I made a distinction to showed he should debate certain religions and not every religion (including Catholicism if he is not making numerous content).
He's already explained why he won't debate people. And personally, I prefer his videos this way rather than just arguing with people for over an hour on a video like most debates turn into
It's apparent that Paul was having the same problem with Rome being confused about grace by the fact he had to write all this in this letter. It is an ongoing problem with Rome that spread. I used to be traditional Roman catholic and by the time I turned 18 I almost lost complete faith in the church, but instead of becoming a buddhist or something I started from scratch. Now I know I'm allowed to be a Christian without maintaining all that nonsense, that and my problem with mary worship and idols
Thanks for your comment. It helped me understand better something I've been trying for figure out for a while: how the culture of Rome (and Europe in general) influenced the Catholic Church. Your note that there was confusion from the start in Rome is insightful and increases my curiosity. I appreciate you
You completely Misunderstand the letter to the Romans. These are written primarily for Jewish And Gentile communities Living in a pagan culture. When Paul refers to the works of the law He is referring to the dietary laws and the laws concerning animal sacrifice a in the Old Testament. The good boys that do I do this are in love with God and love our neighbor..this fulfills The law through Christ.. The Catholic Church does not teach that we are saved because of works but faith working through love.
I bet you never read your catechism Either the Baltimore catechism or the catechism of the council trent or catechism of the Catholic Church
@@bufficliff8978 I think pastor Mike miss represents the Catholic Church badly. I don't think you ever read the catechism of the Catholic Church Or the old Baltimore catechism Number three. Because it does Not teach works based salvation
The Catholic Church does not teach worksbased salvation. I bet you never Read you Baltimore catechism
@@stanyukica382
It most definitely does teach works based salvation.
I fully understand why you cannot be Catholic. However, I also know that for 2000 years the Catholic Church did all they could to acquaint people with the Lord. When a catholic was born in the middle ages and could not read the Bible even if he had one, finally died and came to the judgement, he would be able to tell the Lord "I know you, I saw the story of your life on the wall of my church".
The true, original church was started by Peter in Jerusalem ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven. We know exactly what they taught and believed by reading the book of Acts.
You would do well to read the New Testament. It won't matter on Judgment Day what the Book of Mormon said. It will only matter what God has already told us.
Yep !!! We love the Lord with ALL our mind; so we love Him in the arts.....in music/poetry/the Rosary, and through the prayers pf Mary and the saints.......our great ' cloud of witnesses ' as seem in Hebrews 12: 1. Blessings !!!
@@Elizabeth-rk3do "We know exactly what they taught and believed by reading the book of Acts. "
Jesus : THIS IS MY BODY
The Church of Winger: No it is not, Jesus was speaking symbolic only
Christianity for 2000 years has taught exactly what Jesus said. 500 years ago some men formed protestantism and denied his words. Mike follows that latter and not "the New Testament."
*St Ignatius of Antioch was taught by St John, the very same St John who was taught by Jesus and of whom wrote the Bread of Life discourse.*
_“They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.”_ Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110).
*St Justin Martyr writes a few years later:*
_“For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have _*_we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, [the words of the priest at Mass] and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.”_* Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110-165).
*St Ireneaus too:*
_“He acknowledged the cup (which is a part of the creation) as his own blood, from which he bedews our blood; and the bread (also a part of creation) _*_he affirmed to be his own body,_*_ from which he gives increase to our bodies.”_ Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V:2,2 (c. A.D. 200).
Why should anyone follow the Church of Winger on his fallible interpretation of the Lord's Supper, a means for receiving Grace?
So no, you do NOT know exactly what they taught.
@@Michael-nb4ng very true Michael ! Gospel of JOHN, chapter 14 : a true follower of JESUS-CHRIST knows him. Moreover, because he knows JESUS-CHRIST he Knows the Father. Thank you for your smarts comments !
And a Happy Christmas to YOU and YOURS !!! @@adelbertleblanc1846
What is your view on the Lutheran Consubstantiation?
“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary, to one without faith no explanation is possible “ St Thomas Aquinas.
Please, provide reference on where did St Thomas wrote or said that, that we can check.
Examined faith, not blind faith.
@The Sight of Sound yeah that seems like a severe misquotation... I highly doubt St. Thomas Aquinas, one of the most humble, intelligent, and patient men in the world would ever deal in absolutes like that. Hes no sith lord ;)
on that I Agree
It is very possible to the have faith and not be saved. Even the devils have faith and they are not, nor will they ever be, saved.
Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary on line. Look up the word faith. See the definition of faith and listed under that is a section called, evangelical, justifying or saving faith.
Also look up regeneration.
What are your takes on some of the recent Catholic apologetics books? I’m finding trouble when reading Trent Horn’s recent book “The Case for Catholicism”...
Any chance you’d do a debate with Trent Horn?
Trent Horn did a rebuttal video on one of Mike's videos on Catholicism.
Trent Horn completely decimated and rebutted Mikes previous videos on Catholicism
@@loveyceecee4557 I doubt you're right
@@travislewis2991 Oh, he is. I'm not Catholic, but Trent gave him a run for his money. Mike's issues with Catholicism are presuppositional in nature. Catholics don't even believe in the Catholicism that keeps most protestants in Protestantism (per their presuppositions). I recommend that you watch it.
Lovey
Its true! Trent destroyed Mike in the rebuttal video! Mike just keeps putting out this bad theology! Convincing people to leave the one true church of Jesus Christ....Catholicism!! Sad! Shameful!
@Dman *The first bishop of bishops (pope) came after ad590s. So why would Peter be pope?*
Anybody know the Author of that Vatican II book?
Will you be doing something for Eastern Orthodoxy in the near future?
He is not consistent with that. All the apostolic Churchs are very close in their teaching, but he is silent on them.
The Orthodox Church doesn't have documented catechisms like the Catholic church has and so its very difficult to dialogue with them
The Orthodox need a reformation too. Lead one, Mike!
Reid no...we don’t. The magesterial reformers were trying to get back to Orthodoxy.
I seriously hope not.
This video confirms everything I have believed since I left Roman Catholicism 37 years ago! Praise the Lord!
Google “which church did Jesus start?” Catholic....you just left Jesus church! You can come back! You should!
@@johnyang1420 you’re 200% right, Catholic
Not Roman Catholic
Catholic typically means Roman Catholic and an allegiance to Peter primacy. Catholic really includes Orthodox church.
You left the church that Jesus started. Stupid!
@@johnyang1420 bruh, he literally covers how your assumption here is incorrect In This Video.
Thank you Mike. This is an excellent video. Daddy's family were all Roman Catholics. They were also entertainers at night clubs; singing, fighting; adultery everywhere.
They'd meet Saturday nights for poker, smoking and drinking; and the priest was always there.
When I was born, the priest kept coming to our door, threatening my mother, who was Baptist.
They told her if she didn't baptize me into the Catholic church, Daddy would go to Hell.
Finally, mom called my uncle Harold about it. When the priest came again, Harold threatened to beat the daylights out of him if he returned. He didn't.
Daddy wasn't easy to reach for the Lord. I moved back home when I was 26 and began to read some Scripture to him every night, and share the Gospel.
Daddy was saved just by believing the Promise of God to save those who put their trust in Jesus ♡ a simple childlike faith that endures every storm of life, where we come through the storm stronger than we went in; always carried close to His heart and trusting what He says.
I've studied Catholicism a LOT. Their mysteries and fornications are well named. Of all the cults I've studied, this has to be one of the most cunningly designed to lead people into a labyrinth of cofusion. Mormonism is another; then Islam.
These false religions not only blind eyes; they remove our ability to think clearly. I've only seen one power that can break through these satanic chains. That's the Word of God. 📖 ❤
Thank you Mike. God bless your faithful and gracious ministry. You're always a blessing to listen to. 🙂
God's Holy Spirit is that great ' gift ' from God the Father to us . Denying this gift to a child is wrong.......see Luke 11:13 & Matt. 19: 14.
As a faithful and practicing Catholic there are some things I can clear up, not just what you say in the video, but also other misunderstandings I've heard. First, the Gospel is read and discussed at every mass, but people don't think Catholics ever read or learn the Bible. I've read the bible and have done Catholic Bible studies. Peter was the first Pope and was divinely appointed by Christ, who is God incarnate (which is in the Bible). The term Pope came later, but that's what Peter is referred to as now. Catholics do not believe that whatever the Pope says is infallible except in very specific circumstances. I see many comments from Catholics that haven't seemed to have made much of an effort to understand the faith on their own or to delve a bit deeper than what they've heard or read and that's to be expected with such a large number of people, some of whom are likely young, and being that there is such a long history of texts that were written. That's why lay Catholics are not Priests who must go through the Seminary and study the faith for years. I saw some comments about the Blessed Mother and the rosary that are misunderstandings too, and lack the historical context of the importance of these beliefs and prayers. The understanding of the Church Hierarchy also has a great deal of historical significance since the church was at one time more powerful in a "political" sense. Another fallacy here is that the teachings that exist outside the Bible are not divinely inspired. One thing I've noticed about many Protestant faiths is that they leave out the supernatural aspects of God's power as if God were not able to do something as miraculous as initiate a virgin birth. I could go on and I'm sorry that people haven't been able to answer all of your questions, there are plenty of answers though if you look them up for yourself. I'm not saying the Catholic Church is perfect and that people should become Catholics or that other faiths are bad, it's just that there are so many critiques of the Catholic church that are done without a real effort to truly understand it.
I agree. Catholics who become Protestant oftentimes do so on the basis of their misunderstandings and a lack of knowledge of the Catholic Faith. On the other hand, Protestants who convert to Catholicism, in the majority of cases, do so, as a result of their pursuit of the truth, which leads to an increase of wisdom. It is easy to see that this is true. One simply needs to compare the testimonies of Catholics who became a Protestants, such as the testimonies of many of the individuals in this comment section, versus the testimonies of Protestants who became Catholic.
Which version of the Bible did you read? Again the Catholic Bible is not the same as KJ. Mike speaks on this in the video. Reading the text as it was written. Thinking a priest has the power to forgive you of your sins should be a major red flag to anyone who knows Jesus and his message…
Keep this in mind, if Mike winger is correct Christianity was wrong for 1500 years until Martin Luther came !
I am sorry you feel like the truth was not addressed, but you will admit Mike read from the actual Catholic texts when making his arguments? You say “this is misunderstood” and “you haven’t studied deeply enough” but you don’t offer any actual refutation of his points. For example, when he reads from the Council of Trent, how do you answer that the Council declared it is your works which qualify you for Heaven?
@@pelomocho8567 Mike said repeatedly that many if not all doctrines of the Catholic sect rose after the 4th century, and more came in the time of the 10th and 11th centuries. In other words, more than 70 councils = Catholicism has not always existed in its current form, and it has changed over time. He is addressing specific issues and how they arose in time, while your attempted rebuttal is woefully “meme”ish.
First off, this is an excellent video littered with salient points. Secondly, as pertaining to the Peter the rock interpretation, it should be noted that almost immediately after Jesus uttered those words, he rebuked Peter and said to get behind me Satan after Peter was not being mindful of the things of God but rather the things of men. The good news is that Christ IS STILL the head of the church, not man, and the word of God is still the ultimate authority to put our trust in, not man, not tradition, and not a religious affiliation, hierarchy, or inherited authority. As a former Catholic, the moment I began to read scripture and absorb it, the more that quite a bit of the theology that I was taught through my Catholic education and CCD began to stick out as being in opposition to scripture. I still have many family members, including my amazing mother, and very dear friends whom I love that are devoutly Catholic, and who love Jesus, so it’s not unbelief that is at stake here. What is needed more than anything is for Catholics to read scripture and pray, but also to recognize scripture as even the Jews do as the ultimate authority, not any of the aforementioned things of men.
Peter is infallible when he speaks God's Words, but he is ' fallible ' when he speaks his own thoughts........see Matt. 16: 16, 22-23.
@@veritasmuy2407 Simple, the pope speaks his own words when he says something that is not in the Bible.
@@veritasmuy2407 What makes you think that Peter was the "first pope"??
@@veritasmuy2407 You refer to Mat 16:21-23. You do know that Peter eventually did catch on to what Jesus taught?
@@veritasmuy2407 You keep repeating that Peter was the first pope, yet you do not show any proof to support your opinion in this matter. Seems you know perfectly well that you are presenting something that is false here. So without lies Islam dies??
And Peter only started teaching what Jesus commanded after he understood what was correct. So again we "without lies Islam dies".
And Peter did not teach the mistake he makde but learnt from that. Again "without lies Islam dies".
We know from the many heretical groups like the Gnostics and the Arians etc that people did teach something that was wrong about Jesus. But God ensured that their false teachings are no longer being taught as being correct. So non-Biblical doctrines like Islam are exposed and are being rejected by Christians.
You refer to John 19:25-27 English Standard Version >> 25 but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Why not talk to a practicing Catholic about Catholicism? Why be afraid to talk with Trent Horn? James White has not recovered yet from the debate with Trent.
TRUE LOL
Arizona Jr One of his best friends is a devout Catholic, he tells you about their discussions here. I used to be a practicing Catholic, and Mike is spot on. I was alarmed when I recently mentioned how great it is that we are going to heaven and he said, “I hope so.”
White mopped the floor with horn. What debate were you watching?
It would be a deligth to watch Mike mopping the floor with Trent Horn, or with any other false teacher.
Art Vanderlay the actual debate
Thank you. My fiance and i recently came to Christ and she is a catholic. Videos like this one helped me educate her and make a more informed decision. We still go to that church for the priest but she understands she is already saved.
"she understands she is already saved."
She was saved scripturally when she was baptized (1 Pet 3 21), receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and sanctifying grace lost in the si of Adam.
@TruthHasSpoken no she was saved when she believed in her heart and confessed that Jesus is Lord!
If baptism is the thing that saves, that is a work and works cannot save you.
Or was Jesus lying when he told the their on the cross that he would be with Jesus in Paradise that very same day. The only thing that their did was beleve that Jesus is God and placed his faith and trust in Jesus Christ. There was no baptism or works of any kind. But Jesus declared, he was indeed saved and would be with Him in heaven. No baptism whatsoever
@@TinkerBell-bt6vu "she was saved when she believed in her heart and confessed that Jesus is Lord!"
*Scripture:*
_baptism now saves you_ (1 Pet 3)
_“He who believes and is baptized will be saved_ (Mk 16)
"that is a work"
It's following the commands of Jesus, Our Lord and Savior. It is a work of love to follow him.
"The only thing that their did was beleve"
Which is a work of the intellect and will.
"There was no baptism"
Where does scripture say that?
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"or works of any kind."
*Scripture:*
_39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; _*_but this man has done nothing wrong.”_* (Lk 23)
The good thief did one of the GREATEST works of love ever, he defended Jesus as he was crucified.
*Scripture:*
_You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone._ (Ja 2)
Justified by works of LOVE, not the the works of the Old Testament law. The latter can not save. And when one is justified, made right with God, they are 100% saved!
It's kinda weird to me that Catholics who don't speak Latin, gather at church, don't learn Latin (Most), and just follow whomever SOUNDS nice.
I know they do this, for I dated one, and I was NOT religious at ALL at this point, so I was an atheist going to a Latin Mass where they literally kept saying how "Nice" the litergy (sp?) was. And I was a very curious young man, and asked them how to find out what and why Jesus wanted Latin masses and all stuff like that.
It's not that they didn't WANT to answer my question. They had NO IDEA why. These were my ex girlfriend, her parents, her entire community, many cousins, (live in the southern US) and finally the great grand parents, who still to this day 15 years later, send shivers down my spine in the respect they commanded.
Yet.
No one could explain catholicism to me.
They could explain protestant views EASILY.
I think Catholics have been cemented into a 1000 years of controlling culture.
Only when Luther thankfully unshackled the biblical text FROM the Catholics did we know the TRUTH.
This is a sad state of affairs..
Ah yes, Luther, the one who made up an artificial Biblical canon that never existed prior to him and called it the only authority for faith. The Biblical canon (the Catholic one, not the personal fanfic made by Luther) was defined in 313, prior to which many apocrypha like the Apocalypse of Peter and the Epistle of Barnabas were held as canon. Basically all of Catholic doctrine was defined in 180. The only question I need to ask a Protestant is: what if the Epistle of Barnabas was canon and some corrupt Irenaeus follower simply censored it? What if the Epistle to the Romans contains heresies? How could we know that the Protestant Biblical "canon" is right if it was assembled by 4th century Catholic "heretics" and remade by an antisemitic witch-killer (Luther) and depressed antitrinitarian-burner (Calvin)?
I am not a Catholic, but why is it not mentioned that“works” in Romans 11:6 was in the context of the Mosaic law and not doing good works in general . Also why has verses 22 and 23 of Romans 11 been ignored here, which strongly suggests that faith alone without works is enough to be cut off?
Thank you! Just mentioned this to someone else last night on Mike's video about Mary. It's blatantly obvious that works of the law in Romans is referring to the Mosaic law and talking about things such as circumcision and not the moral law. The person hasn't responded to me yet...
Not only in Romans ... but also in Ephesians and Galatians, ... , where works, or works of the law, or simply laws, refer to the Mosaic/Judaic laws and traditions (e.g., circumcision and thorough washing for purification). Those works were being imprudently imposed by the Judaeo-Christian converts to the Gentiles as also necessary for salvation ---- so that Paul opposed such false gospel or teaching ("accursed" in Gal.) and said in Eph 2:8-9 that it was *by grace* through faith that they had been saved and not by works, works of the law, or laws. But Paul did not say or mean, faith *devoid* of good works or works of love commanded by Christ ---- as he further said in Eph 2:10 (good works prepared beforehand that we should walk in, or follow, or obey them). Paul in fact exhorted all to do good works in the later parts of all his letters, consistent with Christ's teachings in Luke 10:25-37, on how one may have a share in, or inherit (not attain, earn, or work his way to heaven) the *grace* of eternal life/salvation: *love of GOD* (faith) *a_n_d love of neighbor* (good works) --- those
are the explicit and *inseparable* two great commandments of CHRIST.
Peace to all ....
I am a Catholic ... but I think all these deep rhetorical and embellished teachings are not at all really necessary. We just have to read and ponder on the *very words of Christ* as quoted in Luke 10:25-37 ---- as to how one *m_a_y inherit or have a share in the g_r_a_c_e of the eternal life or salvation* in answer to the query of a learned man. *TRUE, it is grace, or a gift, or an inheritance f_r_e_e_l_y given* , so that no one can attain, earn, merit, or work his way into having the said grace ---- *but* , being a gift it could be rejected, or as an inheritance it could be renounced or repudiated, that is, through one's willful acts of disobedience (or non-cooperation and indifference to the purpose of Christ's sacrificial and redemptive death on the cross --- eventual salvation). As the scriptures say, even *Christ did obey The Father for mankind's salvation* (Heb 5:8-9).
It is *neither faith alone, nor good works/works of love alone, but rather, faith AND good works/works of love* . Note that it is *AND* , meaning "both", not "either/or", nor "plus" ---- for the Two Great Commandments of Love are *inseparable* .
*Good works/works of love are not necessarily the fruits of faith in GOD* as illustrated by Christ in his teaching(s) on the Good Samaritan --- who, although not a faithful follower of Judaism (nor a believer of Christ), did good works or works of love to a stranger/neighbor, to his commendation. Even atheists can do good works, and so with people of differing faiths or beliefs, as they too, know how to love, be kind or compassionate, be merciful, ... , and of course, how to hate, be cruel, ... , like us. But good works or works of love without faith are not enough.
And when Christ explicitly said or commanded, " *Then go and do the same* " ---- He simply means "faith in GOD without works of love is likewise not enough" ---- for He said, " *Love GOD ... a_n_d Love your neighbor* ... "
*Anything that one does for GOD or his glory* , be it worshipping, offering, service, ... *should be done out of love* ; and *anything one does for his fellow men* , be it charity, actual help, ... *should also be out of love* ---- nothing more and nothing less. Paul put emphasis on this in his letter to the Corinthians (1Cor 13).
That is *the entire message of CHRIST's teachings* in the New Testament -----
*Love* .
Peace and *GOD bless* !
Yes... I pointed that out, too.
Where's the reference to the Mosaic law? I see references to Israel's failure to obey God (in particular Baal worship). And I'm not seeing anything about faith alone warranting being cut off in the later verses. In fact it says that Israel will be grafted back in if they don't persist in unbelief.
They worship what they don't understand. You worship what you do understand. But the hour is coming and is now here for us all to worship in SPIRIT and truth.
I would be interested in you showing why you are more correct than the students of the apostles and early church fathers that established the canon of scripture, ie: St. Ignatious of Antioch, St. Polycarp, St. Irenaus, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine of Hippo, Pope St. Clement I, St. Cyprian of Carthage, St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Hippolytus of Rome, St. Jerome, St. Justin Martyr and all others held explicitly Catholic doctrines.
Why would a man (Martin Luther) who was born in the 1500’s know better than the all Christians that came before him?
That has to be the laziest take on this discussion. Address the criticism not asking silly question. Why did did the Catholic church sell indulgences to get souls out of purgatory, why not the pope “release” these souls for free? A simple question. Why is selling them a higher priority than the souls themselves?
@@thoughtsfromnh364Okay so you have one thing that the Catholic Church did but when are we going to talk about all the stuff Protestants got wrong since Martin Luther decided he was better than Gods true Church? The JW’s and Mormons use Luther’s same arguments. Craziness at its finest. And no self respecting Catholic argues with Luther’s arguments against indulgences. They just don’t agree on how he handles it. He should have worked to fix the Church not try to become the Protestant Pope!
@@SF-my2ym He tried to fix the Catholic Church. He was not listened to though and they tried many things to get him to shut up. Read the popes response to the 95 theses. It was a dead end from the beginning.
Mike, great work brother. Is there a way that you do the similar thing with Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Greek let‘s say? This would provide a great starting point for further research. God bless you!
If you're interested in how the orthodox church compares to evangelicalism I'd recommend looking up Kalistos Ware. He's an english orthodox leader who has a ton of great ecumenical talks
@@daniellowry660 If you keep on lionizing Winger, you will remain alone with him after he has destroyed both the Catholic and Orthodox churches. Then only him will remain standing. And don't tell the stuff about true Christians. It is only Jesus who know them.
bubamarac perhaps watch Trent Horn’s debunking of Winger’s false representation and misunderstanding of the a Catholic Church ... Winger’s portrayal is rather embarrassing. Latent Gaussian models (LGMs) are widely used in statistics and machine learning. Bayesian inference in non-conjugate LGMs is difficult due to intractable integrals involving the Gaussian prior and non-conjugate likelihoods. Algorithms based on variational Gaussian (VG) approximations are widely employed since they strike a favorable balance between accuracy, generality, speed, and ease of use. However, the structure of the optimization problems associated with these approximations remains poorly understood, and standard solvers take too long to converge. We derive a novel dual variational inference approach that exploits the convexity property of the VG approximations. We obtain an algorithm that solves a convex optimization problem, reduces the number of variational parameters, and converges much faster than previous methods. Using real-world data, we demonstrate these advantages on a variety of LGMs, including Gaussian process classification, and latent Gaussian Markov random fields.
Mike disagrees with Catholic and Orthodox church. Jesus started Catholic and orthodox church. But Mike protests the Catholic church that Jesus started.
check out steve ray and jesse romero. Great talks about the faith :)
I'm cringing so hard. Hearing all this is so uncomfortable and makes me really sad. A lot of my family is still heavily involved and won't listen to facts proving the undoctrinal ways of the church. I was born and raised Catholic. Came out after 22 years. So many questions were unanswered and I was even hushed for asking questions, that I felt at 10 years old, contradicted the bible. Went thru four sacraments. I thank God for learning many things thru the Catholic Church by His grace, but I'm still dealing with self-condemnation due to what it teaches with confession, repentance, saved by works. I know what the Bible says about it now, but I'll be lying if it still doesn't have a hold on me. Prayers please. Thank you Jesus for your grace, love, and mercy.
Thank you, Mike, for speaking on this subject.
🙏❤️
I’m in the same boat. I still have anxiety and worry.
"Saved by works". Tell me, where in the catechism can that be found? And use one before the second Vatican council. Thanks.
Thomas M works of satisfaction
I know what you mean. Also bring in a catholic home. But they didn’t go to church or anything like that. Only for events( like baptism, wedding, funeral) type of things. Yet we were forced to go the classes. To get my first communion and confirmation. Like you I knew something wasn’t lining up with what was being taught, all I knew is that I love GOD. Eventually I wanted nothing to do with religion, especially catholic religion. But by the grace of our LORD JESUS . I have been saved and full understand where I stand with HIM. Been save going on my 2nd year. Like I you my heart brakes to see my parents fallow traditions and what they hear from friends, then going in to the word them selves. Because of their example my siblings are lost. They don’t know the LORD. I’ll be praying for you. Please pray for my family. The “ Lunas”
May GOD keep fill you with HIS love and mercy always!!
I had heard sermons about why Catholicism was wrong from various pastors and theologians. But I like to hear from both sides so I listened to Catholic theologians and priests and read some books. It broke my heart the bondage that I see in the Catholic faith. The nonCatholic churches have had a problem with cults that have formed and broken away.
But even during Paul's lifetime already wolves were moving into the church. Satan will always be seeking to break us. Pray without ceasing.
You clearly do not know what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY teaches, but rather you dislike what you THINKS it teaches. The early Church Fathers reject your assertions about the meaning of Sacred Scripture. These men either knew an apostle or some one who did. They literally lived and breathed Sacred Scripture, and they were Catholic on every point of doctrine. I recommend to you the site 'Catholic Answers". Type in the search bar "what the early church believed". Peace be with your spirit.
@@dougy6237 Catholic Answers was one of the sites I listened too. I have also listened a lot to Fr. Chris Alar. He's an excellent preacher and I believe he was quite clear about what Catholics believe. Also I did not make any specific assertions about the meaning of the Bible.
I am grateful for the church I grew up in and the love I was given for the God who rescued me. May we all be open to the witness of the Holy Spirit. John 25:26
@dougy6237 explain in the Bible where babies are baptized? Or who man made up purgatory? Oh yes your great founding " Fathers " or with the big fat cathedrals with Mary mother Jesus face imprinted on the walls and idol figured everywhere in the churches. I pray that your eyes would open. Imagine not knowing you had a direct line to God and asking priests to forgive your sins which means you haven't actually asked God to forgive your sins at all directly. Sigh....nothing but a cult! Woe to Catholism for they have their own books, cults, practices that are unblibical! Also, go read about how false the rosary is! Shame on you false believers!
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
@@dougy6237 quote---You clearly do not know what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY teaches, but rather you dislike what you THINKS it teaches--unquote
Nope--IT DOES TEACH: Sunday is a Holy Day of Worship----
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
FACTS:
About the catholic church: Change the Sabbath"
Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,- she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."- "A Doctrinal Catechism," by Rev. Stephen Keenan, page 174.
"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law."- Kansas City Catholic, Feb. 9, 1893.
"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
"Ques.- Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.- Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.- Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.- We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A. D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday ."- "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine," by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.., page 50, third edition, 1913, a work which received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X, Jan. 25, 1910.
What was done at the Council of Laodicea was but one of the steps by which the change or the Sabbath was effected. The date usually given for this council is 364 A. D.
Hi, great video on shedding lights to us Catholic. I'm Catholic and still is one and I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty sad that you see us that way but I understand. I hope in the future you and many people who see us that way will hold our hands and understand the truth about Catholicism. Shalom friends!
As a Chinese person I used to feel sad of how people view my government too. But the truth is the truth. If you think he got anything wrong you can always point that out. If it's just a feeling that aw why he being mean to us then please reconsider if whatever they are saying makes sense!
Feel free to say what Mike didn't get right.
I'm very confident that you can't point out a single thing he said wrong. Prove me wrong. Your soul is at stake
I’ll comment as an ex-Catholic - in defense of Catholicism.
Faith without works: this one was actually addressed by Mike without knowing it. You do good works because you follow Christ.
“Earning grace”: you lose grace by sinning without repenting. Repenting allows God to “refill” your grace. If you sin without remorse you’re (probably) not going to Heaven. But only God knows.
Sacraments: while there are biblical origins for all the sacraments, the idea that they “earn” grace or save you is misunderstood. It basically just “stores” grace for purgatory - which is a temporal place you go after you die to cleanse you of the sins you had so you can enter heaven purified. Everyone in purgatory is going to heaven.
Also, what he said about confession was completely wrong (about the treasury of merit). I have no idea where he got that. The priest is acting in persona Christi and the church teaches that ONLY God can forgive sins. Jesus/God is acting through the priest as a physical vessel to offer forgiveness.
If you are wondering about the necessity of the sacraments, do some research of the sacraments throughout the centuries. For baptism, you don’t need to be baptized by water. Obviously that’s the best way, but there are so many ways to be baptized even as a non-Catholic or even a non believer. You do not have to be Catholic to get into heaven, but being Catholic will better align you with God.
Praying to the saints: you don’t “pray” as in “worship” the saints. You just ask them to pray on your behalf. We do this with our living friends all the time. Having friends in heaven is important too.
Eucharist: there are better apologists than me who can explain this. But it’s not considered symbolic. That’s why non-Catholics aren’t allowed to consume the Eucharist because you aren’t in communion with the church.
Now I’m currently agnostic, but anyone who thinks the Catholic Church doesn’t have perfectly sound teaching hasn’t had good teachers or hasn’t studied. Catholicism traditionally has very poor catechesis.
I just disagree that the church is correct. If Christianity was true it would definitely be the one true church, but I dont think any religion is 100% true.
I'm so glad you finished with Mary. Because the times my friends initiated a comparison of our beliefs, they started with "You don't pray to Mary".
We don't have to pray to 'Mary'. And I imagine that Miriam would be utterly grieved that people have lost their way so much as to pray to her! Luke 1:46-48
We definitely are not supposed to be praying to Mary or anyone else other than God. We reach God through Jesus. So your prayers, as I have known it should be directed to Jesus, which is the same as saying God. Jesus is Lord, so saying "God, please hear my prayers" is synonymous with saying, "Jesus, please hear my prayers". We do not need Mary or anyone else other than Jesus for intercession on our behalf to God. I have never prayed to anyone but the One True God. God Bless🥰
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Mary was born sinless cleansed by her saviour
She wouldn't have to be cleansed if she was born sinless. Only one was born sinless, Jesus, and he did not need to be cleansed...
I was a Roman Catholic... but Got Saved at 17... wasnt easy because My Family have never accepted my Faith
After my father died, my Uncle tried to influence my mother to come back to Catholicism after about 40 years
@TradCat Sister Amen. The church is the body of Christ, and Christ only has one body.
Good on you brother. I was not Catholic but an uninformed believer with Catholic family and I know how it feels to be rejected because it happened to me once I was saved by the Lord. My support to you
@TradCat Sister the Church of Jesus Christ has to be corrected at times including its leaders. Just like Paul corrected Peter. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, not the Church. If a group points you to something or someone as preeminent before Jesus Christ that leads to error.
@TradCat Sister unfortunately for you and those of your persuasion there is ZERO Scriptural evidence to support the office of the Papacy, it simply isn't there. That's why the emphasis (by you and others like you) and overreach on verses that point to the Church as God's vessel for HIS truth, because that enables any Biblically invalid interpretation of verses as somehow authoritative. Those Jedi-mind tricks (for lack of a better term) don't work on a Bible believing saint of God, because we see the weak foundation of such nonsense. Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
Love your way with explanations. I had a friend once that told me that the beauty of the catholic traditions are what they liked most. My response was that “Catholicism is like coming to look at a bird fountain next to Niagara Falls. It’s unnecessary and and insufficient. It doesn’t matter how beautifully carved the fountain is, it will always pale in comparison.” I couldn’t think of a better explanation 😂
We can say the same thing for other religions and their temples like mosques, hindu temples, buddhist temples, etc. I find it so weird that people say they’re just attracted to that in the Catholic Church
@Soldier There are 2 versions of Jesus = the Protestant version - and - the Biblical version.
God is able to do all things. Jesus could have remained in Heaven and forgiven our sins, opened Heaven's gates to all, and did not have to come down to earth and live as one of us and die a cruel death. However, God goes to = extremes to prove His love for us. But God has - expectations - and requires - More - from Christians because we have the perfect example of Jesus - Luke 12:48 From God's Expectations, Commandments and Testing come our guarantee of - eternal - salvation and Heavenly rewards.
Jesus defined a Christian - Must take up your Cross daily, deny yourself and follow Me - Matthew 16:24. Jesus fasted - superhumanly - 40 days/nights. He dismissed Satan who mocked Him for fasting when He could have all the bread to eat - Matthew 4. He rebuked Peter as Satan when Peter tried to dissuade Jesus from His path of sufferings and death.- Matthew 16:23. And Jesus did not take the sour wine offered to Him whilst on the Cross to deaden the pain. And Jesus did a World of Works - John 21:25.
Even Paul, like a faithful Christian= boasted =of the Cross -Galatians 6:14,
Christian Rule of Thumb is that if anything is hard/difficult, it is from God. On the other hand, if it is -easy - it is from the devil
The fact is that there are Catholics who leave the Faith because they say it has too many rules and regulations. Of course, they don't realize it is that rules and regulations are like Commandments which were God-issued so that these create a - safe - boundary beyond which the devil, like a roaring lion, is prowling about seeking to devour.
On the other hand, Protestantism has no rules and regulations, no requirements and only promotes - Easy - Christianity and cheap Grace.
List of - Hard - Facts == Commandments = Love God and Neighbour, including Enemies = God's Testing = Strive to enter Heavenly narrow gates for Few will enter - Mat. 7:14 & Luke 13:23-24 = Confess to another - John 20:22-23 = Eat My Flesh, drink My Blood - Real Food and Drink- for Eternal Life - John 6:53-58 + Partake of Holy Communion, worthily - 1 Cor. 11:26-27
=Jesus' Parables requiring the multiplication of Talents, becoming more fruitful "soil," wise "virgins" carrying oil, etc.= Vengeance is Mine, I will repay; = Fasting, Prayer and Almsgiving - Rewarded by the Father who sees in secret - Matthew 6. = Jesus urged the necessity of praying always - Luke 18:1. Thus Catholics have adopted the responsibility of praying for others, just as Jesus urged Peter to pray and thereby strengthen the others - Luke 22:32.
List of - Easy - Facts == With Faith alone, one is saved by Grace and name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life, never to be erased = God's Commandments and Testing have been overtaken by Jesus' sacrifice and covered with His Precious Blood. Moreover all sin debt - past, present and future - has been paid in full. Thus the Guarantee - Absent in the Flesh, present with the Lord, forever = The 4 Gospels were meant for the - lost - people of Israel. Now there is a new covenant in the Blood of the Lamb which means - Once Saved, Forever Saved = Works are unnecessary for Salvation and are boastful = And Christian Marriages that end in - easy - divorce and remarriages.
(( NOTE - In these later times we realize the tremendous growth of evil in the world. More Prayer is required to counter it. For all Christians = Protestant and Catholic = the Psalms are an excellent source of Prayer. Also it is good and beneficial to read and study the 4 Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John which contain the teachings of Jesus brought from the Heavenly Father's = mind and heart = for our Salvation. And in the 1930's, not yet a hundred years ago, Jesus our - Living God - appeared frequently to a Polish nun, Sister Faustina and urged the following prayer =
Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your dearly beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ in atonement for our sins and those of the = whole = world.
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have Mercy on us and on the = whole = world. This prayer is contained in her Diary, titled - Divine Mercy in My Soul - which is available in book-stores.
And in 1995, Jesus appeared to a Nigerian, Barnabas, and urged the following prayer = Precious Blood of Jesus Christ save us and the whole world))
By our prayers that intercede for others, we become Christ-like who intercedes with the Father, and thus save many souls.
@Soldier
Oh boy.
we are good enough for God in ourselves?
Then what is the point for Baptism, Communion, The Eucharist, Confession/Reconciliation, etc.
If we are already good enough for God in ourselves?
I'm afraid that you don't seem to be making much sense here my dear friend.
@@dco8886People are attracted to the Catholic Church and other liturgical churches because unlike Hinduism or Buddhism or Islam, they proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ yet have the beauty, symbolism, and reverence that evangelical churches do not have.
@@brendonpremkumar8207 they most assuredly do NOT proclaim the Gospel of Christ - - Bible shows catholicism is antichrist.
Can you explain James 2:17 then?
Have you ever considered debating or even just having a discussion with a leading Catholic apologist or something on this stuff? I think something with someone like Trent Horn, for example, would be really interesting and fruitful for everyone involved.
They won't do it, the majority of Catholics don't read their Bibles.
@@Jen-tt9yx I bet most catholics know their bible better than you
My question is why? Why get it second hand when we can get it straight from Catholic writings?
Why get it from someone who is deceived and being lied to when we can get it straight from Catholic writings.
And from the writings its clear Catholics teach another Gospel.
"But my ...... doesnt teach this". They all fall under the Pope and under Rome as Rome claims the be over all churchs that uses its name and theology.
So like it or not its the truth.
@@devjono Full disclosure, I'm a Catholic. And I would object to the way he presents a lot of these quotations from the various councils and the catechism, as well as the ways he interprets certain scripture passages. I also think there are fundamental problems with Christianity without a central governing body. He also completely mischaracterizes certain core tenants of Catholic theology. I don't really want to get into a debate in this comment section, but I do think it would be helpful to have dialogue and an opposing perspective for everyone to see. And if the two viewpoints clash and one of them really does appear more rational, that will lead significantly more people to the truth, which is a good thing no matter what.
@@jmwilson100 i understand but it also works in the opposite direction. Take James White and Trent debate. Protestants say James White was right. Catholics say Trent was right.
Sometimes it just doesnt help.
And like I said. Why? We have Catholic writings from your infallible Popes. And from these writings we can show its another gospel. We dont need anyone to interpret it for us.
Debate Trent Horn.
Mike Winger wont! He would be destroyed! And that is why it hasnt happened!
@@johnyang1420 why, Trent is a Roman Catholic so he would be right!!
@@johnyang1420 It's not about destroying each other for the RCC already has a FALSE salvation message so their "gospel" is leading many to hell already. Mike is delving into the Scriptures which are CLEAR and the RCC adds and subtracts from the Bible so that means the Roman Catholic Church is not of God. It is a FALSE church.
@@sydb2848 Prove that it is false on something other than opinion.
@@sydb2848 Jesus started the Catholic church. You and Mike are leading people out of the Catholic church that Jesus started. Sounds terrible? It is terrible. Check out book Why We Are Catholic by Trent Horn.
The sheer volume of Catholic data a believer is supposed to understand reminds me of the LDS Church.
I've begun a study of thier material and They add far too much to inspired scripture.
Most mormons, just like most catholics, don't even know their full doctrine because it's not possible to know-it-all. This is the danger you run into when you start adding onto The holy bible. Time marches on And because you think that you speak for the Holy Spirit, your doctrine expands.
And as we know the Catholic Church has been around for quite some time.
They keep it like that so that followers will need them for clarity. Imagine in the middle ages when Catholic mass was in latin, and no one attending understood the words anyway. Must have inspired a level of fear to not attend.
Kind of like needing an accountant to take care of interpreting the tax code for you.
Most people who call themselves Christian don't even know the teachings of their own denomination, this isn't just among Catholics. Also protestants have created many teachings that are not in scripture. For example, bible alone, once saved always saved, faith alone, the prosperity gospel, the Jesus prayer to be saved, baptism being a symbol and not requirement for salvation, the eucharist being a symbol, women leaders in the church, divorced Christians being allowed to remarry, personal interpretation of scripture, etc.
Very true Richard, and as for the other comments here; the Gospel is supposed to be SIMPLE and immediately understood by anyone, even a child. The scriptures taken as a whole however are so profound and deep you can devote a lifetime to understand it, and still have more to learn.
Perhaps the true situation escapes us all. Such that you could hand a Bible to a person and show them the Gospel, and they could be separated from all others, go live in a remote area, and yet they have everything they require for salvation. Then you might have masses of people who accept the Gospel, but are content to have others tell them what they should do.
Yeah, that first part makes sense in a way, but still not sure about that last part. Probably would have been okay in the dark ages, and maybe even today, but as they say, the devil is in the details.
I'm sure of one thing though; God doesn't intend salvation to be difficult to understand or to follow. We are (edit : NOT) told that it will be an easy life without trials and tribulation, but the means of salvation and attaining heaven should be easily understood and available to anyone who will accept Jesus Christ.
Once (or if) everything else is stripped away, the Gospel and love of God should be all you need. 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
@@blazel462 Actually, for most of human history, people were illiterate so the Catholic Church was giving them public access to the scriptures, liturgy, Eucharist for 15 centuries. Also, most people could not afford a Bible because they were not easily printed (no printing press). Latin was the language of the people in the west for centuries but.. ya know.. don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.
@goat Here is actual truth and history:
In medieval times, the common folk, or the general populace, typically did not understand Latin. Latin was primarily the language of the Church, academia, and the educated elite. It was used in religious services, scholarly texts, and official documents. The ability to read and understand Latin was generally confined to members of the clergy, scholars, and to some extent the nobility, who had access to education.
The common people spoke various vernacular languages that evolved from Latin or other linguistic roots, depending on the region of Europe. These vernacular languages would eventually develop into the modern languages we know today, such as French, Spanish, Italian, English, and German, among others.
During the Middle Ages, church services, including the Mass, were conducted in Latin across Western Europe. This meant that while the common people regularly attended church services, they often did not understand the words being spoken. Recognizing this language barrier, clergy sometimes preached sermons in the vernacular to ensure that moral and theological teachings were accessible to the congregation, but that was not a mandate of ‘the Church’ itself, and varied according to region and the related priests/bishops good nature.
The use of Latin as a liturgical language and the lack of vernacular translations of the Bible for much of the medieval period contributed to a significant gap in direct access to religious texts for the average person. This situation began to change gradually with the advent of the printing press in the 15th century and the efforts of the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century, which emphasized translating the Bible and conducting services in the vernacular.
Has anyone seen those pictures many Catholics have of Mary wearing a huge crown? So much modern Catholic art is not only insipid, but also idolatrous.
Mary is the Mother of the King of Kings.......of course She wears a crown.......see Rev. 12: 1.
Mary is the Queen of Heaven
read Jeremiah 7:18 and Jeremiah 44:15-18
these goofs don't even realize that 'queen of heaven' isn't a good thing - there is no such thing!
@@Michael-nb4ng Rev 12:1 is symbolic - Mary was a sinner and is now dead. she wears no crown and is not Deity.
please think before posting, friend.
No !!! Giving birth to Jesus was not symbolic......see Rev. 12: 5. @@tony1685
I love this guy. I am a knuckle head street minister. Mike is awesome. I learn so much.
So much heresy.
@FaithHopeGrace 😂😂😂 You ain't lyin though!
He is a hack and a false profit who will have to answer to Christ on Judgement day.
@@thomasm8317 We need examples; not platitudes.
Brother John Elving It takes a lot of courage to evangelize on the street! 👍🏼
Jesus did it all. No council can over rule the word of God. God over men.
But they all are combined. You take one away, you do not have God that did, does and will do.
Dan Ihde It’s plainly written in the Bible, yet it’s blatantly false? There aren’t 3 separate plans for salvation just because there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It’s not like they have 3 different insurance plans and many options that you choose from. 3in One body. They’re all God. One plan for salvation. Jesus paid it all and said it was finished on the Cross. I don’t see your Biblical reasoning here to the contrary.
@@SeekingAlfalfa yes but the phrasing God the Father is a fleshful idiomatic expression you use to understand in your way. The bible was not written to us, our grammar our understanding. It was written for us. We need to understand it, not the other way around. Doesnt the bible also say that God's ways are not ours? Even how he perceives time. Words included?
@@SeekingAlfalfa bro you cant know the full context of OT without the NT. Jesus came to give detail through the apostles of the mysteries of the old. The NT has the answers amd it highly suggests that God is one being three persons. 3 forms of himself. Like mind body and soul.
@@SeekingAlfalfa jesus IS God
Hello, i am a catholic, and pretty devot one as well i have been watching your videos and liked them , this is very uneasy video for me to watch but i do feel like because of my dedication i would like to continue to defend my church. Conveniently while watching this video i have the CCC book sitting next to me to follow along with context. So the first quote that came up CCC 1549, is slightly out of context priests and bishops are "represented" as christ the head of the church and it is made visible in the community of believers. That follows a quote from a saint that said the bishops are LIKE the living image of God the father within the context it is just reinforcing the idea that the priests and bishops represent christ as the head . CCC 937 - this is just taken to the extreme measures, taking it literally and not in context to the extent that the pope has much to say , and much of what he says is not a decree that needs to be followed. There is differences in the church. Yes the pope can put out an "order" (i wont act like i know all the terms lol) but its more important to look at when he is doing this and for what is he doing it for. When you look into those things you will see the "orders" the popes have commanded the church have been few and far between. So me as a catholic am not worried i will be suddenly put in a position of having to follow something i dont believe in. Is it possible? Yes. Just very unlikely.
The reason why catholic religion is so conplicated is because it is open ended. After vatican 2 the main focus was on the lay people. The congregation. This means that we are called to be like christ to take up our crosses to read our bibles to be aware of things. To be in the spirit of God , so the church no longer gives itself full authority on many matters but leaves it up to the lay people who need to be reasonable and seek the truth in all things
The Vatican 2 was in the 1960s and the council of trent was in like the 1700s? Way before modern times. You say 21 times implying that it is alot of times but the catholic church is the oldest church in the world. This is also just taken out context just with time.
Omg. Mike. This is killing me. We do not want to bring everything under the authority of the pope. I can assure you that no one in the Catholic church looks to the pope as an ultimate authority outside of the people that live in vatican city, i am in canada. As a catholic do you think during mass we just live stream the popes messages? Haha. I have never heard one thing the pope has said inside the church. Never. Only by my own research and he seems like a very reasonable guy, like you are but i feel like the churcj is just been lost on you. I dont think i can keep up the commentary this just is hurting my feelings with the misunderstandings ..........sad.
Hello friend. I am protestant, and from my understanding one of the significant differences is the means of salvation: faith alone versus faith and good works. From my understanding the Catholic Church teaches that both faith and good works grant you salvation while we would believe that salvation is through faith alone and then good works are a result of that. The born again idea is you are dead to your old self and made new with a desire to do good and despise sin.
I know many Catholics are good people and I struggled with the idea that someone couldn't go to heaven just because they were Catholic. The Holy Spirit allowed me to understand that salvation is God's judgement on an individual basis. If someone puts their faith in Christ, they are saved. If someone puts their faith in their works, they are not saved. It's similar to the story of Cain and Abel. Abel offered the blood sacrifice while Cain offered the fruits of his labor. God accepted the blood sacrifice.
Doing the sacraments isn't a bad thing, but putting your faith in them for salvation doesn't agree with the teachings in Romans, Ephesians, and Galatians. I believe many Catholics are saved, and through God's judgement, it's based on if their faith is in Christ or themselves.
I am a Catholic. I don’t know why in discussions with Protestants it always comes down to a faith vs works question as though it us one or the other. We are told in Scripture that they go together. Catholics know that we are all sinners, that God will judge us in the end, that we are responsible for our choices and the effect those choices have on our souls.
I'm a Catholic too and yes, this video is full of misunderstandings and doesn't take into account the long history of the Catholic church.
I know. I don't even know what they're talking about when they keep saying works. What works?@@barbararussell9757
@@benjaminrandecker6570 As a Catholic, I never understood how a Protestant is different from a Nicolaite (someone who believes that actions are not a factor in salvation; they were known for committing horrible s*xual acts because sin does not exist for them and were a plague at the time when Revelatio was written). I am genuinely curious. Also, Catholic beliefs are misunderstood in your comment. We believe that we need "alive faith" to achieve grace and salvation. This is faith that has material fruits like good deeds and attempts not to sin. "Dead faith" is the faith described in James and the "Lord, Lord" teaching. It is belief that faith itself saves without any impact of sin and deed (Nicolaism). Sola fide is an example of "dead faith" for me, but you can prove me wrong.
I was SEARCHING for this for a long time.
I grew up Catholic.
I went exclusively to Catholic schools, including high school and some seminary.
I love Catholics.
My entire family was Catholic.
However.....none of us read the Bible.
When I was young most Catholics I knew were not big Bible readers.
When I was in my late teens I got very interested in the Bible.
Within a short time span I discovered that the Bible does not support Catholic dogma and doctrine.
(and vice versa).
I found Christ and was saved when I was about 21.
God bless all Catholics, but please get into the Bible and stay there until you understand the Gospel of Grace.
It is Good News.
Jesus is Lord.
Awesome Testimony thanks for encouraging us !!!
Im loving this. May God guide us all to truth, His truth, and not manmade ideas.
@Brooks Lee You are just not correct. The Bible does not support much of Catholicism. Read the Bible slowly in context.
@Brooks Lee más y soplas fe me to Our lord Jesus Christ You Never know what is suppose to Win the presidency is offering the communion where is BLASFEMING
@Brooks Lee MASS IS BLASFEMING DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
Thanks for your excellent ministry, Mike.
You are thoroughly biblical in your knowledge and very Christlike in your demeanor.
God is using you powerfully!
No he is confused. You can read my comments above. He is hallucinating and just painting a fairly tale of the Catholic Church.
I was Catholic for too many years.
I know Mike is right, and you are wrong, Lucy.
@FaithHopeGrace but that doesn't mean that the catholic church is not founded by Christ, you can search google for that
If you disagree, explain to me the Catholic doctrine of salvation.
@@lucysolis1435 Exactly.
I never thought the Church taught that a soul enters heaven without Grace and on good works alone but I don’t think you get in without them “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you
He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Romans 5:1-2: “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”
Romans 3:28: “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law.”
Galatians 3:24: “So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.”
Ephesians 2:8-9: “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Philippians 3:9: “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.”
John 1:12: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.”
Luke 7:50: “And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.””
Acts 16:31 - “They said, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.’”
Ephesians 2:8-9 - “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Romans 3:10 - “As it is written: 'There is none righteous, no, not one; but are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”
Romans 4:16 - “Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.”
Romans 8:3 - “For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh.”
Galatians 2:16 - “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.”
Philippians 3:9 - “that I may be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.”
Hebrews 10:38-39 - “But My righteous one shall live by faith; and if anyone does not take heed to his ways, I will cut him off. The righteous one shall live by faith.”
1 Peter 1:9 - “receiving the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls.”
1 John 5:1 - “Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the one born of Him.”
John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
Deeds are to follow as evidence of salvation, not payment for it, as that would make Christ's sacrifice of no effect. No deeds/works of man can save. Thief on the cross was not the victim of the first and biggest April fools in history.
Imitation isn't salvation, but salvation brings imitation. Salvation by works leaves no hope for the sick, or near their end, hearing late in life about the Gospel, but unable to do works. Faith in Christ what saves, as no man can bribe God, nor could we afford salvation if priced. Why we need Him, cause salvation is NOT in us alone.
Lastly, just like with family, we love them for who they are, so how much more then should we love Christ, out of love and gratitude for what's He's done and for who He is, rather than out of self(ish) preservation?
I enjoyed this discussion. One thing I've learned, though, on Christian RUclips: read your Bible, not the comment section.
Here in Brazil catholicism is huge. It will help me a lot. I dont write in English but I understand 100%. I am very pround of you Mike you are sooo great. Catholic people dont read their bible and they have no clue their church teaches those things.
do you really believe what Mike is saying here are what the Catholic Church teaches? and do you think he is the one teaching the truth? try studying Catholicism from Catholic sources. And yes in any religion/denominations/church there are people who dont really know what their religion/denomination/church actually teaches.
@@ergonomicsthesis1396 how about just cut straight to the source G od Himself, and study the b ible he left.
@@ergonomicsthesis1396 Yes, he has no reason to lie, and he studies and is well informed
@@ergonomicsthesis1396 Please watch "The Mark of the Beast" by Hope Through Prophecy
Protestants read the ONE Bible, but explode into thousands of - confused - denominations. And Protestants have missed the Gospel message. Paul, on his missionary journeys, boldly proclaimed - verbally - the Gospel message which Jesus revealed to him - Galatians 1:12 - and which reflected the Teachings and Doings of Jesus as recorded in the 4 - Gospels - of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Later on, after Paul had received reports from faithful and trustworthy members, he sent out letters to the churches he had established to commend them or to correct them and even provide more insight and clarification. The Bible titles these letters as - Epistles - to the various churches of Corinth, Philippi, etc. Thus, these Epistles were Paul's means of keeping in touch with as well as providing a Review/Report of the status of the churches he wrote to. For example, Paul urged the Corinthian church to - expel the wicked man living in sin with his step-mother - 1 Cor. 5. Sadly, Protestants have based their - Doctrines - and belief systems on these commentaries and Epistles - instead of - the 4 Gospels which will be the basis of all judgement by Jesus, God and Judge - John 5:22. By way of example, Protestants hold Romans 10:9 to be more important than Matthew 7:21.
On the other hand, the Gospels speak of Tough Love - If you love Me, keep My commandments - and - If you wish to be My disciple, take up your Cross daily, deny yourself and follow Me - and - More - is expected of Christians to whom much has been entrusted - Luke 12:48. Moreover, Jesus' Parables are often prefaced with - the kingdom of Heaven - or - the Reign of God - and require us to multiply our talents, become more fruitful " soil " as well as become wise virgins, etc. So by ignoring the Gospel messages and clinging to - parts - of the Epistles and commentaries, Protestants are arriving at a watered down - Easy Christianity and cheap Grace - belief system.
Jesus also on the very day of His Resurrection from the dead, breathed His Spirit and - empowered - all the Apostles to forgive - or retain - Sins - John 20:22-23. This breathing was the same as the Breath that gave the life-force to the earth-created Adam - Genesis 2:7. Why did Jesus empower humans to forgive sins ? It is because Christ died to re-open the gates of Heaven which had been closed by Adam's sin - Original Sin - While Baptism - a One-time Grace event - will cleanse us of all PRIOR sins and unrighteousness, we are responsible and accountable for all sins committed AFTER. Below are 3 Examples
- Firstly, Matthew 18:32-35 tells that Heavenly Father will "in anger" hand us over to the Torturers, all those who do not forgive UNTIL Divine Justice is satisfied.
- Secondly, Jesus, in Matthew 5:25-26 refers to Himself indirectly as the Judge who will imprison - Catholics give the name Purgatory to that Prison - those who do not reconcile and where release is only made UNTIL the last penny justice is served. Note - By way of elimination, this prison does not refer to Heaven or Hell where there is no release. It does not refer to Earth either, where human justice is flawed and the rich and powerul have gotten away with serious crimes, even murder.
- Thirdly, in Acts chapter5, the Holy Spirit "executed" Ananias & Sapphira for lying. So all 3 Persons of the Trinity act "in anger" against those who trespass God's Commandment - not suggestion - of Love of Neighbour. And if God has acted so harshly in cases of unforgiveness, non-reconciliation and lying, what will He do to those who commit murder, adultery or dishonour parents, etc ? Yet we all sin continually which could disqualify us from inheriting Heaven - Galatians 5:19-21.
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17:46 What are the things the Catholic and Christian church agree on?
30:00 grace/works
seven sacraments:
40:33 Baptism (infant) Vatican 2
42:55 Penance Reconciliation (confession to Preist)
49:50 Eucharist discussion
57:00 Confirmation
57:07 Marriage
57:36 Holy Orders: Offices of Chruch
57:55 anointing of the sick last rites
1:00:10 Purgatory
1:09:58 Bible
Purgatory is not biblical. You are saying that Christ’s blood was not sufficient to cover all sin and therefore we need people to pray us into heaven or hope our good outweighs our bad. Christ died for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD. He made this promise at the foundation of the earth.
@@gustavmahler1466 no, the whole world. All people, forever. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have forgiveness now.
@@gustavmahler1466 that doesn’t make any sense. Scripture talks about the second coming and what happens. We are not living in the millennial reign.
@@gustavmahler1466 “For every beast of the forest is mine, And the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: And the wild beasts of the field are mine.”
Psalm 50:10-11 KJV
How is this about the millennial reign?
@@gustavmahler1466 I came across that teaching also, that Christ returned 70AD. Just wondering, can you explain or share some scriptures as to what does that mean for all of us living after that?
The Concrete Confessional blog, whose author was raised Roman Catholic, just dropped an article called "Why This Atheist Is Headed Back to Church." Very interesting reading no matter which side of the fence you're on.
This is interesting, but isn’t so useful without engaging a Catholic theologian to articulate why each of these doctrines exists or (perhaps) how they’ve been misinterpreted.
@Mike Winger have you heard Dr. Scott Hahn? His story, his scriptural studies that led him to Catholicism? I would be interested in a discussion between the two of you on Catholicism and apologetics!
Wont happen! Mike is too scared to debate!!’
There wouldn’t be much of a debate, Dr Hahn has actually read the Bible
@@gwendolynnorton6329 True....Scott Hahn has the truth and has read the bible. Mike has no chance because the truth is on Hahns side.
Hey Mike, thanks for your humility and faithfulness in this video and all your teachings!
You need to be careful with some of these preachers. This Pastor worship on Sundays as a Sabbath. He cares less about the 4th Commandment found in Exodus 20v8-11.
Remember - If you worship on Sundays as your Sabbath, you're in violation of the 4th Commandment found in Exodus 20v8-11.
Also, you need to know that Sunday Worship was created by Satan as a counterfeit to the real Sabbath. Read Exodus 20v8-11.
@@MountCarmel007 sorry I believe that everyday is a day of worship not just Sunday. That ' rule ' in the OT was to tell some time in rest and in worship. Look at what Jesus says about the Sabbath in the NT.
@@MountCarmel007 Vince you missed the point about the law being a pointer on the fact that nobody is saved by keeping the Law all of it, We cannot avoid it no mater how good we think we are without sin. We in the Age of Grace are saved not by the keeping of laws but by accepting the free gift of salvation through the death Of Jesus on the cross and his payment for all sin . We are not under legalism (the Law) We do however as saved people avoid sin where possible. The Law was given by Moses as a dispensation to the Hebrew people to show what sin is. This is not for the Church. The old testament also said Prostitutes should be stoned to death but the Church does not follow that today. You must rightly divide the word, Who what why where and How might help you along with careful Study. All the bible is meant to inform but it may not every event directly pertain to You. Christians do not follow a Jewish tradition of Sabbath. Colorful but Satan is not a creator of any good thing, he is a liar, a thief and a destroyer.
@@MountCarmel007That was part of the Mosaic laws. Please read with context.
@@joycesavage2629 Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day.......
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, c
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, ....
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day, in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 o because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre,
btw---Matt --14:19----- Jesus "broke bread"--Communion?? No. they ate bread and fish.
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I posted this several months ago. NOT one catholic has replied! Why????
Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God.
I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer.
And I know you will NOT!!!
Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE RESTED on the First day of Creation?--(to make the day special).
Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE BLESSED the First day of the week ?--(to make the day special).
Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE SANCTIFIED the First day of the week ?--(to make the day special).
Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE NAMED the First day of the week ?--(to make the day special).
Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE DECLARES the First day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY?--(to make the day special).
FACTS:
The ONLY DAY GOD RESTED on---7th day. Gen 2:1-2, Ex 20:8-11
The ONLY DAY GOD BLESSED---7th day.Gen 2:1-2, Ex 20:8-11
The ONLY DAY GOD SANCTIFIED---7th day.Gen 2:1-2, Ex 20:8-11
The ONLY DAY GOD named--7th day.-Sabbath -Isaiah 58:13
The ONLY DAY GOD DECLARES AS HIS HOLY DAY------7th day---Sabbath--Isaiah 58:13
.Quote the Holy Bible and prove me wrong!!!
(When a law is once enacted by proper Authority, that law must remain in force until that same Authority repeals it; and the repeal must be as plainly stated as the original enactment." - anonymous)
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To those that INSIST we are to worship God every day:
(1 Cor. 10:31), but worship is a distinct activity in which we set aside other tasks and set our minds and hearts fully on the Lord, in order to receive his Word and to respond back to him with prayer and song-in private, in families, and especially in corporate worship.
In other word--DO NO WORK!!!
Perhaps the most sweeping biblical text encouraging us to glorify God in all things is 1 Peter 4:10-11:
Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms. If anyone speaks, [he] should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, [he] should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised [literally, “glorified”] through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
-------AGAIN, if you worship God everyday, you are DOING NO WORK!!! Setting aside the whole weeks, months, years and dedicated only to God.
Jesus is ALIVE in the Eucharist and you consume Him into your being and He dwells there.....when I was a child, I would TALK to Jesus, in my heart. I didn't want Him to be "lonely" in there..... we lived 3 doors from our church. I made "visits" to the church and knelt in front of the Tabernacle.....the little golden house on the altar where Jesus"lives"
After the transubstantiation has taken place.. "hello, Jesus, I just came to see You for a little while so that You won't be lonely in there." 😧 I was very concerned about His loneliness.💔
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My wife and I were both raised Roman Catholic. We got saved and came out of it in 86 and 87 respectively. I suppose we've Been more aware than the average evangelical. But I learned a lot on this video. And most of all I'm really learning from you how to be gracious!
Thank you!
How do you not know the official NAME of the Catholic Church if you were raised in the Catholic Church? That's why the title of the catechism is "Catechism of the Catholic Church" and our Bibles say Catholic, not Roman Catholic. "Roman Catholic" started out as a slur against Catholics by Protestants years ago.
@@rooforlife
Do you have any thoughtful responses to the issues Mike addressed in this video?
I would humbly ask for your thoughts about it.
Martin Luther also wrote this:
“Mary is the highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ… She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures.”
“God has formed the soul and body of the Virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that she is without all sins, for she has conceived and borne the Lord Jesus.”
“Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary’s virginal womb… This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. […] Christ… was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him.”
“She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child….
“Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God…. None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.”
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Martin Luther has been dead a long time and he knows better now.
@@kevinpulver4027You state, "Martin Luther has been dead a long time and he knows better now [regarding doctrines of the Virgin Mary]". So, how do you know that? Do you have a divine guarantee for your conclusion? Perhaps Martin Luther knows better regarding his tradition of Bible Alone and Faith Alone? So, who is right about these 3 doctrines? You, or Martin Luther, or the Church? Both you and Martin Luther claim for yourselves the infallibility you deny the Church, yet you both disagree with eachother. Now there is a point of reflection for all Protestants
21:00 the church teaches (in the catechism and the council of Trent and the council of Orange) that man’s initial salvation is an act of faith through grace. The works we do for Jesus are acts of love, also prompted by grace, which further our justification to making us more like Christ.
Your salvation is still a gift. The faith we have is still a gift, but as we act more like Christ we grow deeper in our love for him, thus the church teaches that we are further justified by works. Justification is not a binary “saved or not” it’s a manner of growing in our love for Jesus over our whole life.
There are lots of sincere Catholics.!
But if you miss mass you go to hell and when you go to confession you're back going to heaven again.
Bassman_007... You said.. 'The works we do for Jesus are acts of love, also prompted by grace, which further our justification to making us more like Christ.'
That is incorrect. This is what you should have written:
The works we do for Jesus are acts of love, prompted by the indwelling Holy Spirit, which further our sanctification to make us more like Christ.
Thats sanctification
I learnt more about catholicism here than 6 years in catholic schooling... wow
You serious?
Probably because your teachers were afraid of disclosing the falsity of their religion and in so doing, keep their jobs
I’ve learned more from a Mike in a year than church in 25 years
Letting Scripture Speak did you watch the video? He used Catholic resources
Mike is a terrible teacher of Catholicism, so I doubt that.
This is fascinating. I went on a Catholic medical mission, and we were allowed to take communion with the mission priest if we desired. I did not, but some did. We were all allowed to go up and get "blessed" mission crosses to wear that week. Catholicism 101 for one week, as the Sorrowful Mysteries were recited on the bus every morning, chapel every night, and a visit to the local convent on Sunday.. what was really nice was that the priests that went with us were really approachable, and would answer all the questions we had. I'm told that's not normal.
.........Were you being proselytized on this "medical mission?"
@@dman7668 who is the pope to act like Jesus Christ who saves not a person with sin. You have to pay money 💰 for sins say hail Mary's,do good works. Jesus is the only mediator. Not only one person can interpret the buble,that makes the person first and bible second. 😢.
That is not of Christ 😢. Biblically truth in the bible; not (one )from the pope. The text in the bible are written, and GOD'made it soo; not to add or reinterpretations of what they feel; The pooe.
Sound you had a typical priest.
Those receiving communion received the body of Christ….wouldnt you want that too?
I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic schools, and thought of myself as Catholic until about 10yrs ago. When I read the Bible looking for a deeper understanding. And I started to see how much the church's teaching were at odds with the Bible. Also the priests became defensive and upset.
So I'm very interested in hearing this
Out of curiosity, as a former Catholic how do you feel about the points Mike makes?
@@sorenpx Vindicated, would be the best way to describe the feeling. I mean you have to understand, I was all in and bought into everything 100 percent ever since I was a kid. I even considered the priesthood for a time after high-school, but I felt like I would've literally felt a calling, if that's what the Lord wanted. It was hard for me to accept that so many of the teachings are downright heresy and blasphemy. Especially the sacraments of communion and confession. Some of that stuff is still so ingrained, like not eating meat on Friday's during lent, or getting palms and ashes on ash Wednesday. But they have kind of a sinister connotation now, knowing what the Holy Spirt has helped reveal to me. Like Mike Winger said, I don't dislike or judge Catholic's but Catholicism it's self.
@@patrickspitlerjr2929 Thanks for the response. I did at one time seriously look into Catholicism, but the deeper I went the more it sounded like the Catholic church was literally just making stuff up. For instance, confession to a priest rather than directly to God, the Marian doctrines, and the teachings on mortal and venial sins were simply a bridge too far. I found all that, and more, literally unbelievable.
I'd be interested in what you found that were at odds with the Catholic faith. Every time I have a question or concern with the Catholic church I can actually find plenty of sources or reasons in the bible.
@@thovenach Okay. The first commandment, yet catholics worship Mary and the saints. The second commandment, no gravin images, yet they bow to the crucifix and disregard the second commandment completely and lump it with the third. The third commandment, to keep the sabbath Holy, the catholics changed the day from Saturday to Sunday, which is a Pagan Sun worship. Easter is a Pagan celebration of rebirth, that's why the catholics observe it on the third Sunday after the third new moon of the year and not during Passover. The solstice calendar is what the Lord gave to the Jews. Lunar calendar is Pagan and satanic. How about purgatory? Jesus's one time sacrifice wiped away our sin. Purgatory was established in order for the church to collect more money with the practice of indulgences. Indulgences are extra Biblical. The idea that salvation can only come through the catholic church and not from Jesus. The tradition of calling priests Father is a direct contradiction to Jesus telling us to not call anyone on Earth Father. The idea of the immaculate conception, which teaches that Mary was born without out sin, and a perpetual virgin. Yet Jesus had brothers and sisters. The false teaching that Mary Magdalen was a prostitute when the Bible states she was cleaned from seven unclean spirits, although I believe they've walked that one back in the last 20yrs. That only a priest can grant you forgiveness from sin, thus diminishing Jesus's sacrifice. Actually, all the sacraments are extra Biblical. They're works to obtain Grace and righteousness, when the Bible teaches that Grace is freely given and faith is attributed to righteousness. I mean seriously, the only few things that the Catholic church teaches that is Biblical is, the Holy Trinity, Jesus being both all God and all Man, and the crucifixion, death and resurrection on the third day. And they even get the days wrong with that due to the lunar calendar they follow. They, and I'm speaking of priests, bishops, cardinals, and the pope. Are quite literally the Pharasees of the Bible. Haven't you read that at the moment of Christ's death, that the veil in the temple was torn in two, thus granting everyone, Jew and gentile, access to the Most Holy, God the Father. With Jesus as our intermediary and the Holy Spirt as a comforter and bringer of Wisdom? The pope and the Vatican rule with a false power and teachings and tradition that are anti-Christ thus satanic.
Great, I have been waiting for this vid for a while!
You might want to check out Trent Horn's rebuttal video too
@FaithHopeGrace Trent points out the loopholes in Mike's arguments....So, rather than coming up with his own interpretations, he shows us how Mike contradicts himself and often presents lies as facts....Some of these lies are exposed and that is all....PEACE!
@FaithHopeGrace Not really...Trent has invited Mike for open debates several times....This guy simply doesn't have the guts to do so..........Catholics do not go around spreading lies about protestants, but people like Mike lie a lot, and that is the issue....Also, that is the main reason I commented in the first place...It hurts to see lies being spread about Catholicism...that is all....
@FaithHopeGrace Catholics learn about protestants from them, while protestants like Mike ( not all) just assume stuff and even if catholics deny it, they would claim it to be true....that is not fair....I went to a protestant prayer meeting to learn about it not to a catholic preacher!!
@FaithHopeGrace Fine!!
Mike I want to thank you. You were an important step in God leading me to his One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. When investigating my faith as an independent Pentecostal your videos were probably where I spent the largest percentage of my time as I tried to affirm the faith I held. But in the end no stubbornness of mine could keep Christ from leading me to his Church. Gratias Deo
problem is friend, Bible proves the exact opposite. catholicism is not Christianity.
*Happy Sabbath!!!* - 👈🏽today is the true Christian Lord's day - catholicism has tampered with It, as Scripture prophesied.
@@tony1685 I’d say the bible does a lot to show many of the beliefs of the Catholic Church. Though feel free to attempt to prove me otherwise. As for the sabbath we still keep to the commandments. However the day of the week we honor God with by giving it to him is merely ceremonial or accidental. There’s nothing stopping it from being any other day of the week. We have just chosen Sunday as that is the day our lord saw fitting to rise from the dead! We wish to celebrate his resurrection and so we as a church have selected Sunday as the day to honor the lord.
Also I’m a catechumen to be confirmed at the Easter vigil!
@@caidenhodges9103 a 'deception' would, by definition be a close replica, but not accurate - such is catholicism. (35 yr former here)
you wrote: _'There's nothing stopping it from being any other day of the week.'_ - see Jesus' clear and unmistaken Words on this in Luke 16:17.
you wrote: _'We have just chosen Sunday....'_ - so if you were courting your wife again, would you show up a day late?
catholicism does this weekly - see Luke 4:16, John 15:10 - we either keep all Ten or we aren't showing love for Christ - John 14:15
because of His death, burial and resurrection - Christians are to partake in full submersion (not sprinkling, not infant) baptism:
Col 2:12, Rom 6:3-4, 1 Peter 3:21
note too - all in the Bible - OT and NT - always kept Holy the 7th day Sabbath. and the Bible covers all of the history of this world - from Creation to ReCreation and even into Heaven to come.
and even in Heaven - the 7th day Sabbath will still be being kept - Isaiah 66:22-23
headed to church shortly, but i enjoy spreading this Truth!
btw - the Sabbath Command was prophesied to be tampered with. the 'church' which did it, they even admit and teach they did it!
and sadly, the masses are still deceived.
*Happy Sabbath!!!*
@@caidenhodges9103 that is very sad, friend. will keep you in prayer. you can read about 'ishtar' in Ezekiel 813-18 (sunrise service).
i was there friend, but now Christian.
read also of another 'church' which thought it could choose contrary His day - Ezekiel 22:26
He has already sanctified, blessed and made Holy , His day - Exodus 20:8-11
to choose another is to choose anti Him.
headed to church now, but i always enjoy discussing His Truths.
all questions welcomed and encouraged!
*Happy Sabbath!!!*
the Lord's day is here!
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If you listen to Fr. Mike Schmitz's Catechism in a Year, he explains a lot of the questions you discuss. As Catholics, we have not taught our beliefs clearly enough, but when you start reading, especially the early Church Fathers, things make sense. We are improving our teaching methods, and many podcasts are helpful, especially anything from Scott Hahn, John Bergsma, and Peter Kreeft.
FOR CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS TO EVERY ONE THAT BELIEVETH.
ROMANS 10:4 KJV
end = goal, target
@@blain20_ No. The Bible says what it means and means what it says. And when it says end, it means end.
Have you guys noticed that literally EVERY OTHER system outside of Bible believing Christianity (I refuse to call it protestant) lessens Jesus in some way? Some even do it to a Satanic, mockery level. The Jesus of the Bible is never good enough in these systems. If that isn't Satan, IDK what is.
@@78LedHead Who is this guy?
@@rafaeliacsity5315You just completely ignored what the New Covenant stands for... The New Covenant does not abolish the Law, but instead writes them in our hearts and minds, and to do them out of love for Jesus. (Hebrews 10:16)
The Law (10 Commandments) are still extremely relevant, and we do them out of love, not for salvation. And those who teach others not to do them are liars. (1 John 2:4, Matthew 5:19, 1 John 5:2-3, John 14:15, Matthew 19:16-18. Romans 3:31)
If Christ was truly the "end" of the Law (a lot of people refer to the Ten Commandments), how come James and John and even Paul still endorse them? Besides, without the law, how could we know what sin is? It wouldn't even exist! Because sin is the "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4).
Remember, we don't keep the law to be saved; we are saved by grace through faith, but Commandment/Law-keeping makes that faith manifest. I'll pray for you my friend. God bless you! 🙏🏼❤️