@@alphonsedenny4962 Is Jesus God since God can never die but Jesus can die as any man can die? Did Jesus die on the cross as a man and never died on the cross as God at the same time?
@@alphonsedenny4962 Did the Jews plot to have Jesus crucified as proof that Jesus is accursed of God as as a false claimant in Deut 21:22-23 as believed by the Jews?
@@alphonsedenny4962 I have already shown you the reference in Bible that the Jews believe in Deuteronomy 21:22-23 to prove Jesus is accursed of God who is subsequently a false claimant because the Jews believe Jesus was crucified or died on a tree translated as a cross or stake in varied bible translations.
@@alphonsedenny4962 The evidence that the Jews believe Jesus is accursed of God and is therefore a false claimant is the Jews believe Jesus died on the cross as in Bible Deuteronomy 21:22-23 for you to read it as evidence.
It is absolutely mind-blowing that God, (in the Person of Christ) would take the punishment for my sins, and pay the price in full! Hallelujah! What a Savior!
Hebrews 1:10 Jesus is the Lord whose handwork is HEAVEN and EARTH!! But FACT is the parallel passage Psalm 102:26-28 says that YHWH is the Lord in Hebrews 1:10!! Thus, JESUS is the YHWH of Psalm 102:26-28
Not everyone asks these questions in a condescending way, some of us ask these questions because we are desperate to learn and understand our faith and to be able to explain the doctrine to others. But when I try to converse with a fellow Christian by asking these questions, I get a condescending response as if I’m just a skeptical agnostic/atheist or something. I wish we could talk about this without condescension..
God is bigger than all of our understanding. Don't try to figure all out for you or others. Some things you just have to believe. Like oxygen, you can't fully understand it but you know you need it to survive.
At least there are plenty of youtubers / sound pastors on youtube who can explain this. I’m sorry that people feel the need to get defensive. What happens is God is so dear to us we feel we need to defend His name and ofcourse He can defend Himself.
The messiah's name was always going to be Jesus according to Zechariah Chapter 6... which is the same name as the post exile high priest ,Yeshua! if the concept of Messiah and God are separate then it doesn't automatically follow that sins can be forgiven.. only God can forgive sins. furthermore if the expectation of Messiah is to reverse the events of Genesis 3 Genesis 6 and Genesis 11 then by Definition messiah has to be more than just a man. Jesus being born of Mary but not of Joseph is not a problem according to Jewish history because I believe during the reign of Queen Alexandra Jewish law made Heritage pass on, by matrilineal Bases. A basis for the Trinity can be established in the Old Testament by passages like Amos 4:11Isaiah 48:16.. and Judges chapter 2:1 and Daniel 7:9-14 Support for the idea of God becoming man in Scripture are Deuteronomy 18 verses 15 to 18 Focus of the verse speaks of the coming Messiah coming from lineage of Israel like unto moses. We also have Exodus chapter 23 verse 20 and 21 the context of which is speaking about the future Endeavor of going over Jordan then we come to Joshua chapter 5 verses 13 to 15 and the context of this passage is having just gone over the Jordan into Israel. Another proof of this idea perhaps most glaringly Jeremiah chapter 1 verses 4-10... the first thing you want to pay attention to is titles in verse 4 and verse 9... Hashem and the word of the Lord these titles are used interchangeably there's some definite implication there but the point of emphasis here is verse 9 because it goes a little further than just anthropomorphic language. Now the next concern is did Jesus ever claim to be God? And for this the scriptures I would provide are Matthew 26:64 Jesus directly quotes Daniel 7:13 John 10:34 Jesus claims to be the judge in Psalm 82 referencing verse 6 In John 10 versus Both 11 and 14 Jesus Yeshua says that he is the Good Shepherd and you can cross-reference this with the very first line of Psalm 23. In Mark chapter 6 starting from verse 45 Jesus walks on the water this is something designated in the Old Testament for something only God (job 9:8) can do this separates Jesus from the other people who did miracles. Where another claim would be is in the fact that Jesus forgives sins, off the top of my head is Mark chapter 2 now certainly there have always been Messianic claimants but none of them have ever claimed to forgive sins. Now the question becomes why would Jesus so secretive why didn't he just come out and say that he was the Lord God of Israel?... well one scripture off the top of my head of that I would provide here that might be interesting is this Matthew 16:20 "then he commanded his disciples that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ"... my suggestion to you here, would be that the crucifixion how to take place at a certain place at a certain time and under a specific set of circumstances. Please Look into all the scriptures I made mention here I hope this helps even one person Hashem bless everyone of you... in the name of Jesus both son and God of David king of Israel, amen..!
Well I hope you're not talking about me as being condescending, because I really and sincerely want to help people to understand, there is nobody else in the godhead but the spirit of God. The Bible says, in the last days seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. In the year 325 AD the apostles doctrine was changed to the Catholic Trinity doctrine. Jesus even pointed out in Matthew 7:14, because straight is the gate, and narrow is away, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it. Also in verse 22 of that same chapter, Jesus said many will say unto me in that day, lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
ISA 9.6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jesus is the I Am.
Amen John 1 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
What we fail to notice, though, is that His name will be called Everlasting Father. There is only one Father, and that is God. “For us, there is one God, the Father.” - I Corinthians 8:6. How can Jesus be God the Father if He is God the Son? Is He both? Or, are we misunderstanding the mystery of the incarnation? “Without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh.” - I Timothy 3:16. There is only one God, the Father. Which is why Paul could write: “God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.” - II Corinthians 5:19. God is not reconciling the world to THEMselves (plural), but to HIMself (singular). There is no plurality of Persons (for indeed, God is not a person). There is only God in Christ.
I just read my comment over again and didn’t really express how grateful I am to you for what you do. Really thank you, your work is absolutely awesome!. Thank you!
@@alphonsedenny4962 May I request to you to read and understand my COMMENT here that disproves the trinity and the diety of Christ and likewise answers the questions asked here.
God I pray that I’m not just full in my head knowledge, but full in my heart ! God guide me with wisdom and weigh my heart , love and obedience to you lord! In Jesuses name I pray
Just found you and as an ex Muslim I cannot thank you enough. I had questions about the Trinity and worshiping Jesus and God answered me personally. Therefore I did not have the theology behind it just that God answered me. This is the single most common attack that Muslims direct at ex Muslims accusing us of Shirk or polytheism. Thank you again.
@@alphonsedenny4962 " This shows that He had NO GLORY during His time on earth." I think there is plenty of evidence that Jesus had glory on earth. Like I said I asked and HE answered me personally. Does this really matter for your salvation? Jesus is the Savior. Believe in Him, Believe in the Father, Believe in the Holy Spirit. John 3:16 sums it up for me. But thank you for your response.
bibiandjoshua Just because Yeshua is the Son of God doesn’t mean he is God Almighty. If you look you will find better answers then these. Yeshua was highly exalted after his resurrection to the right hand of YHWH.
@@alphonsedenny4962 You make some interesting points. Even as a long time Christian I can see how both views can fit the Scriptures, but both cannot be right. Much prayer and revelation is needed here. Peace.
@@bibiandjoshua God bless you Brother. You are right, we don't need to fully comprehend the nature of God Almighty (in fact, in our limited human condition, that's likely to be impossible) in order to be saved. We simply need the faith of a child and trust in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, the Son of God. Blessings.
You cannot imagine how much this helped me with my faith. I’ve been searching for the deity of Christ for these few months and struggled a lot to see that in the Scripture. I didn’t know about the Sharp rule and I started to get more and more confused. God used this video to show me the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit very clearly. Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart. God bless you and all your loved ones!!!
When will you people wake up and realize that Christianity is fake? The Romans hijacked the Bible from the africans, edited it and used it start Christianity. There is no trinity, no Jesus, etc….its all lies.
@@tomteague4533 the deity of Christ is Godhead. The Godhead is only God Almighty the Father of Lord Jesus Christ. God is spirit John 4:24kjv. God is not trinity or oneness that of devil Is Babylonian Egyptian mythology.
Just wanted to say thank you SO much. I’ve been talking to a JW and I would just get lost. I have been studying and trying to learn but other people just go so fast! Your format was really helpful also! I feel better about it and more confident now. Thank you so much
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
I grew up LDS, and I really appreciate your videos, showing me what it says in the Bible (and the Bible alone). It's difficult at times to sort through truth vs falsehoods that I was taught. I feel like I've totally started over as a baby Christian, and it's taken some time, but I'm OK with that.
@ShetheOvercomer there were always things that didn't sit right with me. One of my dearest friends left, but she was afraid of sharing her reasons. I encouraged her to share with me her research. I was afraid to go to non-LDS sources, but I found the LDS apologists (it was called FAIR back then, but it's BYU Studies now), and they acknowledged many of the problems with Joseph Smith. That gave me great relief. It still took me several years to finally let it go, but it got me started. I had another friend that really encouraged me by showing me truly biblical concepts. It takes a village!
The level of anger and indignance that I’ve faced when asking questions about Scripture, God, our faith, etc. is disheartening. I gave up asking. I wasn’t ever asking because I didn’t believe it and I wanted to argue against it, I was asking because I was looking for clarity. I believe the Holy Spirit can provide clarity, but I also believe that as beings created by God, He designed us to have relationship with each other and to be iron sharpening iron. But the number one answer I get - even from pastors! - is that there are just some things I have to accept. I just need to accept the fact that I won’t understand everything and I just need to believe it. That’s not me being sharpened. That’s me being dulled. I’ve learned nothing. I didn’t come away from that conversation more confident in my faith. I came away with more question marks than when I came in. Ok - sure. I agree 100% that there are things about God that I can’t apply earthly logic to. But when there is actual doctrine resulting from something we believe in - like the Trinity - there must be things that have been identified in Scripture to support this doctrine. No Biblical doctrine exists without its contents being identified, categorized and defined. So that means there is something to LEARN here. Which means there IS an answer. Why are we not allowed to learn without feeling like we are blaspheming the Holy Spirit just by asking these things? That being said, Mr. Winger, I really appreciate your instruction and willingness to lovingly teach us about our God. Thank you for giving us this gift. I refuse to be mindless about my faith. I want to be mindful and that means understanding Scripture. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
The ones hollering about it usually can't articulate what it means. That's a red flag, if it's not understandable and they can't articulate it, it's not defensible. That doesn't make the belief wrong but the believers are wrong in their application at a minimum. I think the nicene creed went way too far though. Jesus is the mortal shell of the formless infinite God, the "Angel of the Lord" manipulated history to make his own nation and bloodline for his "avatar". Same I AM by a different aesthetic, a new dispensation promised by older ones.
I think it's healthy to attack your own doctrine to a certain degree to measure its weight and your ability to defend it. I feel like doing this would help our community discourse as Christians so that we would lean not on our own understanding, but come to an agreement together for accountability.
RIGHT... TRINITY IS NOT THE TEACHING OF JESUS... IT CAME OUT FROM "AGREEMENT" OF CHURCHES CENTURIES AFTER JESUS TIME.. SO... IF YOU STILL WANT TO BE A CHRISTIAN YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH THEM... BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE THE REAL FOLLOWER OF JESUS.. YOU HAVE TO THROW AWAY THE TRINITY AND START BELIEVE IN ONE GOD.. BECAUSE JESUS DID.
Try not to let perceived offences get in the way of your search for Truth. People have every right to speak harshly about ideas. If you are offended by that because you align yourself with those ideas, as hard as it may be, just try remember it’s not meant to be a personal attack on you. We are all guilty of offending others, intentionally or unintentionally.
I just want to know where this idea of a Triune God came from? I can’t find anything about God being three in the Bible…all I’m seeing is “God is one, the Father.” I don’t see anything about “God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit”
Fun fact, the same word is used to refer to a multitude of people being one, in genesis 11:6 Two becoming one flesh as in genesis 2:24 And as a people answering with one voice exodus 24:3
@@NickHawaii oh it doesn’t. Read revelation 22. You’ll find the angel attests that the god of the prophets sent him, and then later Jesus testified that it is him that sent the angel. Meaning Christ claimed the title of God. “And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” Revelation 22:6, 16
"I would give my life before I compromise on the identity of Christ. It is that big a deal." What a beautiful sentiment and heartfelt commitment. I certainly feel the same way.
And that's exactly what will happen if you belief wrong. Jo. 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. That verse explains volumes. It is a prayer from Jesus to his Father calling his Father the only true God. That means God and Jesus are two separate and distinct individuals, thus no trinity.
Absolutely from what I heard so far my tablet went dead! Good stuff. I like that you not only push one perspective , but investigate all possible meanings of scripture. That’s awesome. Thanks
I just read the verse "He is the one true God, and I am Jesus Christ whom He has sent." If Jesus isn't the true God and never called himself that, but we call him God, that means we have two Gods? Maybe we shouldn't follow this? Does it go against the #1 commandment?? Edit: Found some info. Jesus said "Why call me good? Only God is good." So, are some of the gospels just contradicting a lot or are they still true? I read Jewish Christians during the century 1 didn't believe them and they were made from rumours people had a hope Jesus didn't die so the Greeks designed these books. But, I mean... I'm reading this site, the Old Testament says God is our only savior and "No father or son can atone for the sins of another. Each sin is upon each person." That means, Adam didn't give us sin and Jesus couldn't?... "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no salvation."? -Psalm 146:3 Jesus also says "I pray to your God and my God" and "Make my followers one with me just like You and I are one," so it means. . . make us follow You and not abandon Your way. Okay, Jesus already said he's not God and calls us and the prophets before also sons of God. Edit: Okay, I just read the verse Jesus tells us "Follow the commandments to enter heaven" and the sermon on the mount, the good seed, he gives us instructions in religion. I definitely think we Christians need to follow Jesus more, he says he can do nothing of his own, we should pray to the father. "The father is the only true God." Jesus never calls himself God or a true God and the NT calls him a creation... Hmm, some of these gospels are fishy, this is becoming obvious now they're copying everything word for word from the OT and it comes across incredibly forced, like, they're written so later after Jesus that they're devising a story just to appease fanatics back then. I do think they're the best we have, but I have doubts they're 'inspired' text. It's neat that the Greeks found all these clever prophecy ideas like atonement in a random verse but it doesn't appear accurate to the real old testament law. I'm checking out sects of Islam too, maybe there really are better religious perspectives out there.
@@isleohagger5455i honestly think that a plain reading of (the hundreds of) propheies are easily fulfilled in Jesus. maybe if it was one or two you could say its chance or contrivance, but eventually it becomes unreasonable to believe someone would have orchestrated all the events (except God himself.)
BASIC SCRIPTURAL TRUTH TO HELP HONEST-HEARTED ONES SEE PAST THE MATRIX OF THIS LYING WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN THE UNIVERSAL FAMILY COMPRISES OF ALL INTELLIGENT BEINGS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD: 2 CORINTHIANS 4:4 GOD’S FIRST CREATION IS MENTIONED IN PROVERBS 8:22-36 WHICH REVEALS WHAT IS TAUGHT IN COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 THIS IS CONFIRMED IN THE WORDING OF JOHN 3:16 WHERE THE TERM “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” IS USED TO DESCRIBE THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS DIRECTLY CREATED BY GOD AS ATTESTED TO IN REVELATION 3:14 AFTER JEHOVAH GOD CREATED HIS FIRST SON THE REST OF THAT WOULD BE CREATED CAME INTO EXISTENCE BY MEANS OF JEHOVAH GOD BEING THE GREAT ARCHITECT AND HIS FIRST CREATION BECOMING THE MASTER BUILDER AS EXPLAINED IN JOHN 5:19 AFTER THE DIRECT CREATION OF THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” CREATED BY GOD TOGETHER THEY PRODUCED BROTHERS FOR THE FIRST SON TO HAVE AS STATED IN COLOSSIANS 1:16 THUS CAUSING JEHOVAH GOD TO BECOME THE FATHER TO A GREAT MULTITUDE OF SONS BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE JOB 38:7 ALL THE SONS OF GOD ARE LITERALLY CREATED IN THE SAME NATURAL SPIRITUAL ESSENCE OF GOD’S IMAGE: HEBREWS 1:7; HEBREWS 12:29 WHEN THE CONTEXT OF CREATION IS KEPT IN PLACE WE CAN SEE WITH OUR MIND’S EYE WHO IT WAS THAT THE CREATOR JEHOVAH GOD WAS TALKING TO IN GENESIS 1:26 AS EXPLAINED IN JOHN 1:3,4 IT IS BECAUSE GOD’S FIRST CREATION TOOK ON FLESH THAT HE WOULD ALSO BECOME BROTHERS WITH: JOHN 1:12 THE FACT THAT JESUS CAN AND DOES HAVE BROTHERS IS WHAT PROVES THAT JESUS IS ALSO A CREATION OF GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATION AS JESUS SELF PROCLAIMS: REVELATION 3:14 BECAUSE THE HUMAN SECTOR OF THE UNIVERSAL FAMILY WAS STEERED INTO TAKING A WRONG TURN THE FATHER OF ALL INTELLIGENT CREATION BEING A JUST GOD TOOK ACTION TO MELT OUT JUSTICE BEING THAT ONE OF HIS SONS TURNED INTO A TRADER AND TOOK TO MISLEADING OTHERS JEHOVAH GOD AGAIN DELEGATED TO HIS FIRSTBORN SON: 1 JOHN 3:8 AS SET PERFECT JUSTICE: DEUTERONOMY 19:21 CALLS FOR AN EXACT EQUAL VALUE: 1 CORINTHIANS 15:45 THEREFORE SINCE IT IS THE WICKED ANGELIC SONS OF GOD THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSING HARM TO THE HUMAN FAMILY JUSTICE MERITS THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HUMANS BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN THE TABLE: 1 CORINTHIANS 6:3 BECAUSE THE SON OF GOD WHO IS ALSO THE CHEIF AGENT OF LIFE WAS SENT TO EARTH TO BECOME A HUMAN - HE TOO EXPERIENCED DEATH BY MEANS OF THE ONE WHO CAUSED DEATH TO ENTER INTO THE WORLD: GENESIS 3:15; HEBREWS 2:9,10 JEHOVAH GOD BEING THE CREATOR/FATHER OF ALL INTELLIGENT CREATURES THAT WERE CREATED IN HIS IMAGE IS SEEING TO IT THAT JUSTICE WILL BE CARRIED OUT BY MEANS OF: EPHESIANS 1:10 THEREFORE JESUS AND THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF HIS BROTHERS WILL GO TO HEAVEN TO MAKE UP THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM/GOVERNMENT THAT WILL BRING ABOUT JUSTICE FOR ALL: REVELATION 14:3 WILL RESTORE THE PERFECT CONDITIONS ON EARTH THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE FIRST HUMAN BEINGS: ROMANS 8:19 JESUS SUFFERED DEATH WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE CREATOR COULD NEVER EXPERIENCE THIS IS WHY JESUS CAN HAVE BROTHERS: HEBREWS 2:11,14 THE AUTHORITY OF JESUS BROTHERS: REVELATION 5:10; 2:26,27 AT THE COMPLETION OF JESUS MISSION: 1 CORINTHIANS 15:24-28 THE TEACHINGS OF THE TRINITY DIMINISH THE FATHER AND THE SON BY EQUATING ALMIGHTY GODSHIP TO THE SON WHICH EXCLUSIVELY BELONGS TO THE FATHER AS THE ONLY UNCREATED BEING: 1 JOHN 2:22
This providentially popped up in my RUclips feed, and it's so awesome to be reminded that God has my life covered so completely! I did a horribly miserable job attempting to share the triune nature of God with one of my sons four days ago - and, of course, I'm mom...irritating white noise. So I've shared it with him. ❤️ Thank you so much for such a thorough covering of the Trinity. God certainly is using you mightily, and I'm incredibly grateful to have you as a resource, a gracious and adorably funny resource too. I love your cheesy sense of humor! 😁 💜✝️💜
@@findtruth5329 Amen. People are lead astray by vain philosophy when they're warned over and over again that there will be deception. To the lady who posted the original comment: Please, read how Jesus defined eternal life in John 17:3. Do you believe what He said there? Is your God Jesus Christ's God?
The Bible exposes false teaching - do not be deceived by those that contradict what the scriptures clearly say. Note what Jesus said to Mary Magdalene when he revealed who he was as she didn't immediately recognise him: 'Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” - John 20:17 How can Jesus be God as he directly and truthfully states that he was yet to ascend to his God and Father? (remember, that at this stage Jesus was no longer in his original human form - he had been resurrected as a spirit being and was able to materialize human form, which angels have done on occasion eg. to help Lot escape cities before their destruction) Note how John concludes chapter 20 in verse 31 > 'But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.' Also, even in heaven, Jesus sits at God's right hand - the apostle Stephen was the first to bear witness that he had seen Jesus in heaven and standing at the right hand of God, as prophesied at Ps 110:1. The right hand was considered to be of great importance symbolically. To be on the right hand of a ruler was to have the second most important position, next to the ruler himself. - Acts 7:55, 56 'Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that, the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us' - Romans 8:34 'He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.' - 1 Peter 3:22 The apostle Paul wrote at 1 Corinthians 11:3 > 'But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.' (written some 20 years after Jesus ascended into heaven) Jesus' disciples were clear as to the identity of Jesus - when questioned, Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did." - Matthew 16:16, 17 The scriptures are clear - Jesus knew who he was; Jesus' disciples knew who he was .. the Son of God and Jesus' Father is the Almighty God to whom Jesus prayed and directed his worship. 'Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you, .." - John 17:1 "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." - John 17:3-5 Nowhere does the bible say that Jesus is God or equal to God. 'He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;' - Colossians 1:15 '[Jesus] who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God.' - Philippians 2:6 "I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am." - John 14:28 At Jesus' baptism, Jehovah approves his Son .. 'After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” - Matthew 3:16, 17 Believe what the Bible says .. not false teachers who deceive such as Mike Winger.
@@Tony07UK You're either a Mormon or a JV - both heretical cults. Hopefully your spirit opens to the Holy Spirit's leading and the truth about Christ before you face eternity.
@@jb_1971 You must also either a Mormon or a JV.. Yahweh is my God - not your false one, and He is triune in nature - per scripture. If you don't believe that, it's because you're cherry-picking scriptures to support your wrong belief. True believing Christians accept God's word in its entirety.
Brother, I’m so glad I ran across you on RUclips. I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and they’ve been SUPER helpful!! Especially the videos on the theological types.
@@aejones77 The 3 persons in one God still don't make sense to many people. I have faith in it but cannot explain it, because they think 3 persons make them seperate minds with seperate ways, therefore God is not one mind. Is there something it can be compared to? Not specifically a living, but like anything. Not comparing God to anything, of course not, but for understanding. I heard someone say it's like the left and right hand. United but seperate, but something that can have it make more sense in multiple ways to someone without faith.
Mark 14 : 60 - 63 Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked Him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" "I AM," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." The high priest tore his clothes. "Why do we need any more witnesses?" he asked.
@@ctglenn1 Nope! CHRIST JESUS clearly declared to The ALMIGHTY GOD of Israel in Mark 14:62. Saying "Sitting at the right hand of Mighty One" is a metaphor for omnipotence or all powerful and every Jew knows The LIVING GOD of Israel come and go in the clouds of Heaven as HE appeared in the past.
PrintOfLife I’m not sure why you’re saying “nope”, because whether you believe that Jesus is God or not the contexts of this particular verse is referencing to him being Christ and the Son of God. Just look at the question number 61 and then Jesus’ answer in 62. “Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power...” He’s answering, “yes” to being the Son of God and Christ, this is why he’s referred to himself as the son of man. Also this position is given it to Jesus by God Almighty who has exalted his son to sit at his right hand and be Lord of heaven and earth.
@@ctglenn1 false. He was put to death for blasphemy. The only two forms of blasphemy in Scripture are “claiming to be God” and “claiming to forgive sins” of which Jesus did. He claimed to be God.
Man I needed this. I believe in the Trinity but I find it hard to defend and explain. I haven’t worried about trying to defend I just believe, which is not a good foundations. When I try to think about it, my mind completely goes berserk
God is not a trinity Watch the God series on the God culture on RUclips videos The videos will explain to you about God's name and his sons name God's true name is YAHUAH His sons name is Yahushua May Yahuah bless you
@@abcd_EFGHIJKLM I and the Father. No mention of Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the presence of both Father and Son. It's how we are reconciled to the Father. The Father is in the Son, the Son is in the Believer and the Believer in the Son.
Here is something I read: " The trinity teaches that God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind. *Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to offer himself. *Then God impregnated a woman as himself as himself. *God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly. *God strengthened himself and talked to himself. *Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself. *While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself. *Then he sat at his own right hand and waited until he placed his enemies as a footstool. *Finally with Satan's forces defeated, God would turn his kingdom over to himself...that all things would become everything to himself."
Yeah, I don’t believe it makes much sense for them to be one in the sense that they are the same. They’re only one in the way that they are related and united.
@@lwmaynard5180 Nimrod's and every pagan religion's trinity: Nimrod (sun father god), Semirramis (moon mother goddess), Tamuz (sun son god). Catholicism (paganized "christinaity"): God the Father, virgin "Mary" queen of heaven and mother of child god, Jesus Christ the Son. God: God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son, God's Holy Spirit from God. Isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
It’s not that they’re attacking the Trinity. It simply doesn’t make sense. God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and not a person/man (Numbers 23:19/Hosea 11:9).
Peace be with you Friend ❤️ For Numbers 23:19 In each case God is distinguishing himself against sinful humanity. The point is that it is his actions which are different from a man's. At the same time, Jesus himself said "God is Spirit" (John 4:24). The Bible consistently affirms there is a difference between the Creator and the created (the Creator-creature distinction). Jesus is on the 'Creator' side of that divide (John 1:3). The wonder of the incarnation is not that God is just the same as us, but rather the perfect and holy Son of God became one of us. The Bible teaches that, There is One God that Exists in 3 persons: The Father(Galatians 1:1) The Son(Hebrews 1:8) The Holy Spirit(Acts 5:3-4) ❤️✝️🕊️
@@StretchMn Peace be with you Friend ❤️ The Bible teaches that there is One God that exists in three Persons: Father,(Galatians 1:1) Son,(Hebrews 1:8) and the Holy Spirit(Acts 5:3-4) ❤️
@@BrJD-ii4iv Completely irrelevant tp anything said in the video. The human incarnation of jesus isnt the same thing as the "son of god" in the trinity sense. People ...before judging something at least try to listen what the other person says...
Thank you, thank you!! 😊 Yes someone was hitting me with all of these questions, and I was trying to stand my ground but wasn't truly prepared! This video is so awesome and I even sent it to that person. He is a Muslim and was really trying to make his point! I appreciate you for sharing! 🙏🏽🤗🌅
Get real, but you won't. Not much you can do when you have three 100% gods and call them one god. No reason to go to scripture when you already showed you are not honest with your reasoning. Just admit you like believing things that make no sense and that you DO have three gods but you are NOT honest and won't admit that.
You are not wrong as all characteristics testify of the truth that is the word born of truth, God our Father. Amen brother. Only the truth can reveal such things to men. Peace and blessings be upon you.
@Maclin Kastex the entire Bible talks of ONE God, seminary school and catholic church come up with 3 gods. Anybody can prove it's one God using the Bible verses esp The Gospel of John.
@Maclin Kastex : John was the last of the apostles to die. Shortly before his death, he wrote a simple, clear and scientific statement: 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20 In addition to being an apostle of Jesus, John was a close relative and would have grown up with Jesus. He certainly had SEEN Jesus as had others. Just some help.
Tell me, what does John 17:1 have to do with God's being a trinity? Didn't you bother to read verse 3 where Jesus called his Father--not a trinity--the "only true God"? The word "only" means "to the exclusion of others." Since the Father is God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Answer: *NONE!*
Bro. Mike, ( @57:26 ) this is why I love you - you are truly seeking and finding and you are a good teacher. Bless you, brother. you know, when you can look at a person and see...see who lives in them, see who guides them, see who they truly love. Heaven is seeing God in everyone around us. I understand better now the same idea in "the Kingdom is at hand". Jesus was telling us that there is a time coming when we will see God in everyone around us. But it first started with everyone who would see God in Jesus. When we see Jesus for Who He IS, He can be seen in us. Then, just as "the Father knows the Son and the Son knows the Father" and how they and the Holy Spirit know us, we seek to know them and the Spirit helps us. I'll see you around. I love you. and I love y'all, too!
Yay you remembered my married name!! :D Lol this stream was so helpful. My husband and I witness to JWs and Mormons in our home and those "7 questions" come up A LOT. I pray for your family and your ministry often and will continue to. Can't say 'thank you' enough!
All Men Must Repent and Believe in Jesus Christ: “I say unto you that ye must repent and be born again; for the Spirit saith if ye are not born again ye cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore come and be baptized unto repentance that ye may be washed from your sins, that ye may have faith on the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world, who is mighty to save and to cleanse from all unrighteousness.” “Come unto Christ and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.” “He denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.” “He is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world, if it so be that they repent and come unto him.” “Whoso repenteth not must perish.” “He commandeth all men that they must repent and be baptized in his name, having perfect faith in the Holy One of Israel, or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God. “And if they will not repent and believe in his name, and be baptized in his name, and endure to the end, they must be damned; for the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, has spoken it.” “The Lord covenanteth with none save it be with them that repent and believe in his Son, who is the Holy One of Israel.” “I beseech of you in words of soberness that ye would repent and come with full purpose of heart, and cleave unto God as he cleaveth unto you. And while his arm of mercy is extended towards you in the light of the day, harden not your hearts.” “O then, my beloved brethren, repent ye, and enter in at the strait gate and continue in the way which is narrow until ye shall obtain eternal life.” “And again, believe that ye must repent of your sins and forsake them, and humble yourselves before God; and ask in sincerity of heart that he would forgive you; and now, if you believe all these things see that ye do them.” Those who love these words may be surprised to learn the name of the book in which they are written.
THE FACT THAT THE EXALTED CHRIST HAS A GOD IN HEAVEN INDICATES THAT HE IS NOT IQUAL TO THE FATHER AS THE ALMIGHTY. APOCALYPSE 3: 12 1) Everyone who has a God is because that God is more powerful than themselves. 2) Everyone who has a God is because is worshiping that God. How is Christ going to be the only God and will have a God to worship? John 20:17 (note that here he is in the flesh as a limited human but in the following text he is already in heavenly glory ) In Revelation 3: 12, Christ says the name God four times, there is no text in the Bible to remember the word God appears 4 times in the same verse. Notice also that Revelation 3: 12 tells us that he receives a new name. What new name can Almighty God receive? What can be new for God ? We are going to receive a new name as Christ also Revelation 2: 17. The Father is the God of Christ, but the Father has no God, so He has no superior, the Father is the only Highest God. The only way the Father is the God of Christ in heaven is if Christ is inferior to the Father and is different from the Father. The doctrine of oneness is as complicated as the doctrine of Trinity.
Jesus the man was praying to the father that was in him as we pray to the Father which is in US. the fullness of the godhead was in him bodily. Jesus was asked show us the father Jesus said I have been with you so long and you don't know me. the holy spirit is the spirit of God just different names for the same being. in the Bible there is Spirit and there is flesh two different entities. when we pray to Jesus we are praying to God because there is a scripture that said he is the image of the invisible God. when you get to heaven you will only see Jesus the image of the invisible God because God is a spirit that is everywhere at the same time. think about it if a spirit that is everywhere in the universe at the same time were to make himself visible like a solid cloud we would not be able to see anything.
God isn't a trinity, he's 1 being called Yehovah, like the entire Tanakh says. Yehoshua ("Jesus") is his son. The holy spirit is Yehovah's spirit (life, mind, will, power). Yehoshua isn't role-playing. He was truly begotten into Mary's womb by the spirit of Yehovah. This is why is the son of God. Yehovah = God Yehoshua = Son of God Holy Spirit = Spirit of Yehovah
If you believe in the trinity and the diety of Christ, may I request to you to read my COMMENT here that disproves the trinity and the diety of Christ.
@@leapedrosa4475 I don’t believe in the trinity doctrine. No such description or definition of God as being three persons in one God exists in scripture. Only in post biblical creeds.
@@NickHawaii okay, justify this. Why would God, after hearing everyone at the counsel beg for his guidance and understanding, not give it, but instead knowingly allow satan to lead astray the entire church? As a nurse, I would be held as negligent if I ignored major requests for help from my charges. Are you holding God to a lesser standard? Or are you asserting that God was somehow overpowered by satan at these counsels? Either way, to say that God didn't guide these counsels is extremely unflattering.
@@marvalice3455 Thanks for your expressions and question. That first-century meeting of the apostles and elders at Jerusalem had Jehovah God’s approval, for its decisions had his blessing, and it furthered the Kingdom-preaching work that brought many Gentiles into the Christian congregation. However, the facts of history give clear evidence that the church councils of Christendom have never been approved by God. Later general councils were frequently overshadowed by imperial church politics. Charges of heresy proved to be a ruthless scheme to eliminate opponents who dared to defy Christendom’s church councils. Any who expressed differing opinions or even attempted to present Scriptural proof refuting the dogmas and canons, church laws, of the councils were branded as heretics. The determination to stamp out opposition led to dreadful atrocities. Most of those pronounced guilty of heresy against the popular dogma of the council were burned at the stake, suffering the agony of a slow death as a public spectacle, supposedly in the name of Christ! So it isn't unflattering it us true. Their appeal to Jehovah was just as false as The pharisees in Jesus day. Two easy levels of proof. 1. The prophecy of the wheat and weeds. The weeds take over and the wheat is mixed in but hidden to a degree by weeds or Jesus would not have said don’t pull the weeds as you will pull wheat. The believers have always existed but mixed with weeds. 2. The councils followed men. The easiest example is the 381AD council that Theodosius called. He removed bishops, appointed bishops, which he had no authority to do, and TOLD the council what to teach. The trinity, and to destroy all writings against it and persecute anyone who claims it is false. History totally supports this. Fulfills Jesus words.
Bro this is awesome, thank you for helping me, I’m about to enter college and I want to prepare myself, your channel and understanding of the Word has been a like rock sharpening my sword.
Filly Fill the best way to handle the Trinity is to never, ever try to understand it. As soon as you apply basic logic (which we assume we derive from God), it all falls to pieces. If you don't want your faith shattered, you'd best abandon it on your own terms first.
Filly Fill Don’t ever listen to the haters. I hope college is treating you well , but I’ve gone to college and I’m sure 90% of people are like the ones in your comment section. You know, ignorant and don’t like trying to think for themselves. ;)) Never let go of God, no matter what hurtful things people say. Cut off the members. It’s better to cut them off then go to hell with them.
I’m watching this 5 years later, my husband and I was at lunch today, and we were discussing the Trinity. He didn’t fully understand it and I felt so bad that I couldn’t clearly explain it. So I am glad I found this video!! Thank you for all the work you do!!
@@lbracknell24 dont expect it to be super ez to get, it can be simplified just like anything else but its a bad thing to say "to confusing" when talking about THE ALMIGHTY GOD not everything is easy (Be WISE AS SERPENTS) not (Stupid as doves) if you catch my drift
@Babybluemarine29 it is too confusing. 3 never equals 1. There is zero rational given for it. No parables. No proverbs. No law. Nothing. The Jews see it. The Muslims see it. But Christians cant figure out the devils best heresy. Even when the other two attempt to teach the grafted in gentiles, we reject and hold fast to old pagan ways. Trinity, sabbath, holidays....all Christian made in defiance of God. And yes, I'm the biggest offender knowing it's offensive and still keep with the traditions of man
Did the apostles teach trinity?then how come they fail to mention God the Holy spirit in the beginning of all their epistles?.if the trinity was true the apostles would gave glory to God the father son holy spirit
God said through Torah and many times in Isaiah “there is no God but me” and this can never fail. The Father is one but presents Himself as Father Son and to us with His Spirit. Yeshua is the same God of the Tanakh and the Holy Spirit is the same Spirit that Yeshua is sitting at the right hand of.
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of CHRIST JESUS (John 20:22). HE was The Lord GOD who breathed to Adam and Adam become a living soul in Genesis 2:7. The same GOD gave the Law to Moses saying "You must not have any other god but me." in Exodus 20:3.
I think we may be wrong, cause our limited minds can't understand what is of God, he is unimaginable, undescribable, amazing being, that's why he is God, So we can know all about him once we become like him in the spiritual realm. And remember one thing he is beyond all even our minds ❤️
Not to be nitpicky but please capitalize things reffering to God, such as He, His, Him, etc. And also when He is talking in first person and you quote it, capitalize Me, I, etc. If you are talking directly to him on text, capitalize Your, Yours, You, etc. And other things too. Just be sure to capitalize things like this out of respect for God.
Bam! The Holy Spirit dropped the mic 2000 years ago! 😁 In BOTH Testaments: [16] Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Isaiah 48:16 [7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
In this passage about witnessing, ONE means in agreement. To keep reading 1 John 5-9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. Not given about a part of himself.
@@daveyofyeshua Read Isaiah 48:16! The sent one is God (Jesus), and another distinct person that is also Lord God in *"that same verse"* is the sender (Father)!
@@daveyofyeshua It is the THREEFOLD witness in context yes, but you need to stretch the natural meaning to force it to mean that ONLY. What does the very next verse say? These three AGREE in one. If God didn't mean what He said, why didn't He just say what he meant? I'll study this out after I get home from work, but: [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:19-20 There are threes-in-one EVERYWHERE, (why ignore reality?): man: body, soul, spirit atoms: proton, electron, neutron terrestrial: land, sea, air astronomical: sun, moon, stars spatial dimensions: length, height, width The list is endless. I already posted the old testament references: I'll copy it over later and then post all the new testament references.
@@daveyofyeshua Copied it: The Trinity is actually an Old Testament doctrine. The Angel of the Lord is mentioned in Genesis chapters 16, 21, 22 and 31; Exodus 3 and 14; Numbers 22; Judges 2, 5, 6 and 13; 2 Samuel 24; 1 Chronicles 21; 1 Kings 19; 2 Kings 1 and 19; 2 Chronicles 32; Isaiah 37; Zechariah 1, 3 and 12; Psalms 34 and 35. Genesis 16, 22, and 31; Exodus 3 and 14; Numbers 22; Judges 2, 6 and 13; Zechariah 3 and 12 all clearly show the Angel of the Lord is a divine figure. Genesis 22, Numbers 22 and Zechariah 3 show that the Angel of the Lord is distinct from another being that is also God. In Genesis 16:9-14, the Angel of the Lord says HE will multiply Hagar's descendents: [13] And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me? Genesis 16:13 In Genesis 22:10-12, the Angel of the Lord calls to Abraham from the heavens, and in verse 12, he says you have not withheld your son from ME. Same thing in Exodus 3:2-6, the Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses from the burning bush, but in verse 4, God addresses Moses from the bush. It is corroborated by verse 16 as well. Jesus used I AM from Exodus 3 in John 8:58, if Jesus was only saying that he exists, or some other private interpretation, why were the Jews prepared to stone him for blasphemy? This argument is incoherent. There is also the Spirit of God in the Old Testament. 1 Samuel 10:10, Exodus 31:3, Numbers 24:2, Judges 3:10 and 1 Samuel 19:20 all corroborate Acts 2:17. This also corroborates the words of Jesus in John 14:17 and the words of Paul in Romans 8:9. The Holy Spirit is mentioned by name in Psalm 51:11 and Isaiah 63:10 and is interchangeable with the Spirit of God. 2 Samuel 23:2-3 clearly shows that when the Spirit of God speaks, God speaks. Job 33:4 states the Spirit of God made me and the breath of the Almighty gives me life. Isaiah 48:16 clearly shows the Trinity: [16] Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. The Hebrew word for one, echadh, in the Shema is not limited to just literally a single person, it is also used to describe one bunch of grapes, one family, etc., especially because Elohim is plural. It is quite different from yachid, "only one". God's Truth will always shine through. Jesus Christ is God and the ONLY way to eternal life.
@@Tessinentdecken Some guy on you tube will give the answer you choose . Then hopefully Mike winger will make a video about how anyone with an answer you didn't want is a heretic
Unbelievably so thankful for you Mike! Being a college student in Christian ministry is so hard because people have longer to develop misconstrued and out-of-context information that can stump Christians in a second if we aren't educated! Gonna try to get this video out to everyone I know! Also can we just talk about...JESUS LITERALLY BEING GOD AND LEVELING WITH MAN. Insane, incomprehensible, and a testimony to sustain us till the end of life!
*** IMPORTANT **** Which is, is not, which is, is not. You talk about confusion . Plain and sample there’s one God and one begotten son of God . That one God ( The Father/Spirit) is inside the son of God ( That man/flesh) reconciling the world into himself . The body of Jesus now takes on the titles of the one God, such as Lord, Christ, God, The Name of The Spirit, which is Jesus and etc. ( Acts 2:36) ( Hebrews 1:4). People watch pastor Gina Jennings, to learn more Truth, we’re leaving in the last days you better make sure. Study the history of where the Trinity came from , it did not come from Bible. The Trinitarian when you tell them to explain the trinity, they just tell you it’s a ministry, and they are right. The Bible speaks about mystery babbling were even the pagan Trinity came from. The Catholic Church with conquering the world spreading Christianity they adopted the holidays and Ash Wednesday lent Friday, the Trinity and etc. from the pagans and all that bundled up trash today is called Christianity which is the children of Catholicism. People quit being lazy and do your research here in the information age we’re not in the Stone Age , ice age we are in the information age you have no excuse. God called us to be Holy not Christianity. If you look at the scriptures were king, Nebuchadnezzar had the dream of the statue. Rome was in power with military, might, at the thighs and legs, which was iron. But at the feet Rome became worldwide dominant not through military, but through religion. if you do studying you’ll find out that’s where Christianity is that’s why there is married Clay and iron mingle together. But if you notice the scripture said that the stone will come from heaven is strike the statue at the legs bringing the statue down that stone is Jesus Christ.. I hope you’re getting this. Christianity is not of the true Jesus Christ of the Bible. Because he’s not going to bring down in destroy his own people. They’re preaching another Jesus that’s what Paul warn the church about that was going to happen. Read ( 2 Corinthians 11:4). Again, please watch Pastor Gino genius to learn more truth.
This is a very interesting subject, and I appreciate your time for explaining this, but unfortunately all your answers do not answer the question. On John 1.1 you very correctly stated that in the beginning there was the word. What about before the beginning? The Bible say that God has no beginning or ending. Jesus stated that he is the beginning and the end. I believe that the Bible speaks only about the beginning of our universe that we know and maybe only from the Big Bang when God created light. What about before? When God created Lucifer and all the heavenly creatures? I truly believe that He created everything before the Bible stories and also I believe that Jesus is as He claims all over the Bible that He is the Son.
John 10:10-11 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. Romans 5:8 But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, God died for us. Isaiah 44:24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.” , John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 14:25-26 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Corinthians 3:17-18 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit. John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Clear evidence of the Trinity
Being brought up in the JW cult “never baptized changed my mind when they couldn’t answer my questions” I am so thankful to fully understand the Trinity.
There is no trinity. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. _That is what the Bible teaches._ You done messed up. 😀
@@777Tralfaz777 correct there is one Elohim, and one Yahweh. Trinitarians do not believe in modalism so there is nothing wrong with the text and this is a Trinitarian text and one that we Trinitarians use against modalism. In Rev 5:13,14 why is it that all creation bows down and worships to him who sits down on the throne and to the Lamb? Please don’t waste my time with the thought that the Father and the Son sit on a literal throne because anyone with understanding knows that means Gods power as in his right over all creation.
@@StretchMn 1975….. my aunt claimed to be a JW anointed and she preached stay alive until 75 and today it is like it never happened and there is nothing but excuses that are being made. How can a generation overlap another generation? 586/587 in comparison to 607 they also could not answer.
Part 1. The ultimate thing to think about is if its important to know the difference? If God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are separate then what difference does that make to someone's life/actions? I was brought up in a specific Christian group that are largely despised. But one thing I will say is they are despised for knowing the bible well. In my mind at least they know the truth. The Israelites came out of slavery in an Egypt that was known for multiple gods. They and surrounding nations often believed in Triads of gods. In Wikipedia it states: In ancient Egypt there were many triads: the Osirian (or Abydos) triad of Osiris (husband), Isis (wife), and Horus (son), ... the Elephantine triad of Khnum (god of the source of the Nile river), Satet (the personification of the floods of the Nile river), and Anuket (the Goddess of the nile river). When the Israelites were released from Egypt it was done in a unique way. Israels God brought 10 plagues on Egypt, each one seems to have been specific to each of the Egyptian gods. As the gods of Egypt couldn't stop the plagues it showed who was more powerful. Exodus 12:12 New International Version “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. Israels God proved his dominance over all the Egyptian gods to send a message worldwide - That he was the most powerful God, the only true one. 13Then the Lord said to Moses, “Get up early in the morning, confront Pharaoh and say to him, ‘This is what the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, says: Let my people go, so that they may worship me, 14or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth. 15For by now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with a plague that would have wiped you off the earth. 16But I have raised you up a for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. The message of who the true/most powerful God was was heard loud and clear. 40 years later the Canaanites were still talking about what the Israelite God had done to Egypt. This led one woman to worshipping the true God now she could identify him. Joshua 2:10, 11 New International Version 10We have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea a for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to Sihon and Og, the two kings of the Amorites east of the Jordan, whom you completely destroyed. b 11When we heard of it, our hearts melted in fear and everyone’s courage failed because of you, for the Lord your God is God in heaven above and on the earth below. The prostitute Rahab turned to the true God instead of fighting with her people against Him and was spared. Her act of hiding the Israelite spies was her way of showing faith in the true God. Joshua 6:25 New International Version 25But Joshua spared Rahab the prostitute, with her family and all who belonged to her, because she hid the men Joshua had sent as spies to Jericho-and she lives among the Israelites to this day. Hebrews 11:31 New Living Translation It was by faith that Rahab the prostitute was not destroyed with the people in her city who refused to obey God. For she had given a friendly welcome to the spies. Having come from lands of multitudes of gods it made sense for the True God to include something about this in the law to His people. Exodus 20:3 New Living Translation “You must not have any other god but me. Exodus 34:14 New Living Translation You must worship no other gods, for the LORD, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you. However, not long after coming out of Egypt and before they received the law, the Israelites fell into worshipping other gods. While Moses was receiving the 10 written commandments in stone, the people made visible gods/idols. Exodus 32:1-4 New International Version 1When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods a who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.” 2Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods, b Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.” Due to the Israelites not trusting God when going to take over the land of Canaan, the majority were barred entry and had to wander in the wilderness for 40 years. Numbers 14:26-34 New International Version 26The Lord said to Moses and Aaron: 27“How long will this wicked community grumble against me? I have heard the complaints of these grumbling Israelites. 28So tell them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Lord, I will do to you the very thing I heard you say: 29In this wilderness your bodies will fall-every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. 30Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. 31As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected. 32But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness. 33Your children will be shepherds here for forty years, suffering for your unfaithfulness, until the last of your bodies lies in the wilderness. 34For forty years-one year for each of the forty days you explored the land-you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’ After the 40 year period the people were reminded of what was required to remain in God's favour. They were reminded how different their God was from any other... Deuteronomy 6:4 Amplified Bible “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one [the only God]! Deuteronomy 6:14 New International Version 14Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; 15for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land. Joshua 24:15 New International Version But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.” Throughout the early history of the nation of Israel emphasis is placed on there being only ONE true God.
So with only one true God, this means to you that Jesus isn’t God and neither is the Holy Spirit? I’m genuinely asking, because that’s what I’ve been taught and I’m trying to be more thorough about this. Also, do you happen to rest on the Sabbath or on Sunday, and could you elaborate why either which way? 🙏
@@damarisltrevizo The bible is very clear on this... there is only ONE true God.... Psalms 83:18 King James Bible *That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.* Psalms 97:9 American Standard Version *For thou, Jehovah, art most high above all the earth: Thou art exalted far above all gods.* Aramaic Bible in Plain English Because *you are LORD JEHOVAH, The Highest over all the Earth and you are greatly exalted over all gods!* John 17:1-5 New Living Translation The Prayer of Jesus 1After saying all these things, *Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father,* the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you. 2For you have given him authority over everyone. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him. 3And this is the way to have eternal life- *to know you, the only true God,* and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth. 4I brought glory to you here on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5Now, *Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.* John 20:17 New Living Translation 17“Don’t cling to me,” *Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father.* But go find my brothers and tell them, *‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”* *Jesus is God's first and only direct Son* ....he is the one most like his Father Jehovah/God. All other beings/angels etc were made through Jesus... John 1:1,14 New Living Translation New Living Translation *In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,* and the Word was God. 14So the Word became humand and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.e *And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.* John 1:1 is purposefully mistranslated to say Jesus/the word is God. *Jesus is just like his Father so he is God-like...a spirit being in heaven.* 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 New Living Translation 5There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. *6But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created,* and for whom we live. *And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created,* and through whom we live. 2 Corinthians 4:4 New Living Translation *4Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.* They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. *They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.* Colossians 1:15 New Living Translation Christ Is Supreme *15Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.* He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,e Genesis 5:3 New Living Translation When Adam was 130 years old, *he became the father of a son who was just like him-in his very image.* He named his son Seth. New International Version *When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness,* in his own image; and he named him Seth. Jesus never claimed to be God, he always said God was his father...and he worshipped him... John 10:31-33,36 New Living Translation 31Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. *32Jesus said, “At my Father’s direction I have done many good works.* For which one are you going to stone me?” *33They replied,* “We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! *You, a mere man, claim to be God.”* 36why do you call it blasphemy *when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’?* After all, *the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.* Matthew 4:10 New Living Translation “Get out of here, Satan,” *Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God* and serve only him.’” God/Jehovah always said Jesus was his Son... Matthew 3:16,17 New Living Translation 16After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were openedg and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him. *17And a voice from heaven said, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.”*
@@damarisltrevizo The Mosaic laws were often illustrative, helping people to understand a bigger/more profound truth to follow. The Mosiac laws were a shadow or outline, Jesus/Christianity was the detail or real thing. Despite that, there were literal/physical benefits that came from the Mosaic laws. Colossians 2:16,17 New International Version 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or *a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.* To demonstrate it was part of the Mosaic law exclusively, did anyone follow a Sabbath before the laws of Moses? The first mention is in the law. The Israelites had been in slavery for 200+ years, the Egyptians would never have allowed them to take a day off. *The Sabbath started when the Israelites were released...* Exodus 7:31 New Living Translation “You have six days each week for your ordinary work, *but on the seventh day you must stop working,* even during the seasons of plowing and harvest. Exodus 20:1,8-11 New Living Translation *Ten Commandments* for the Covenant Community 1Then God gave the people all these instructionsa: *8“Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9You have six days each week for your ordinary work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of rest dedicated to the LORD your God.* On that day no one in your household may do any work. This includes you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, your livestock, and any foreigners living among you. *11For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.* As shown above the weekly Sabbath was a mini version of God's own rest period...after creating he stopped for a period of time. Genesis 2:3 New International Version 3Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, *because on it he rested from all the work of creating* that he had done. The Sabbath ultimately relates to Jesus at a particular time period in the future... Matthew 12:8 New Living Translation *For the Son of Man is Lord, even over the Sabbath!”* The bible shows Jesus renews/regenerates/restores the earth and all on it back to perfection. Once everything is perfect he hands mankind back over to his Father, God. So Jesus is in charge of sorting out the rebellion/insurrection Satan, Adam and Eve started. Matthew 19:28 Amplified Bible Jesus said to them, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, *in the renewal [that is, the Messianic restoration and regeneration of all things] when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne,* you [who have followed Me, becoming My disciples] will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 New Living Translation *24After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26And the last enemy to be destroyed is death.* 27For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”e (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) *28Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.* Revelation 21:1,3,4 New Living Translation *1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.* 3I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. *God himself will be with them.a 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”* Paul explained to Christians that the Mosiac law was only an outline of things coming. The Mosaic law focused on works/actions to get life. *But because humans are imperfect that law ultimately condemned every person to death. Jesus was the only human that perfectly lived up to the law on earth.* He earned perfect human life. He then freely gave up that life in exchange for humanity releasing them from having to earn life through impossible works. *Humanity therefore can soon enter a Sabbath/rest where they are free from sin, sickness, pain and death...* Romans 10:3,4 New International Version 3Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. *4Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.* 5Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the *law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”* Hebrews 4:9,10 Amplified Bible *9So there remains a [full and complete] Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For the one who has once entered His rest has also rested from [the weariness and pain of] his [human] labors,* just as God rested from [those labors uniquely] His own.* Isaiah 14:7 New Living Translation But *finally the earth is at rest and quiet. Now it can sing again!* The situation is like owing a massive debt and working all hours of the day just to make the minimum interest payments. Then a rich friend pays the debt off with some reasonable conditions. Now you can rest, not having to work endlessly and getting nowhere... The sabbath celebration ended with Jesus ransom/payment. We no longer follow the Mosaic law with its sabbath and other requirements, we follow Jesus with his requirements. 1 Corinthians 6:20 New Living Translation *20for God bought you with a high price.* So you must honor God with your body. Romans 6:14,23 Amplified Bible 14For sin will no longer be a master over you, *since you are not under Law [as slaves], but under [unmerited] grace [as recipients of God’s favor and mercy].* 23For the wages of sin is death, *but the free gift of God [that is, His remarkable, overwhelming gift of grace to believers] is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.* **One Christian requirement is to meet together with fellow believers but that is not the same as the Sabbath..*** Hebrews 10:25 New Living Translation *25And let us not neglect our meeting together,* as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.
I also believe accepting jesus is the important part pf the new testament and not understanding the trinity. But as an academic diacussion, trinitarian definitions are just very interesting.
Isn't this a case of from the frying pan into the fire? Jesus had been SEEN by humans, including the apostle John. Here is what he testified to: 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20 Just something to reason on.
@@tongakhan230 Exodus 33 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹⁷ And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. ¹⁸ And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. ¹⁹ And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. ²⁰ And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. ²¹ And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: ²² And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: ²³ And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. Job 4 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹³ In thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falleth on men, ¹⁴ Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake. ¹⁵ Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up: ¹⁶ It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was silence, and I heard a voice, saying, Job could see a shape, but could not fully see it, showing that you can infact see God a little. And this right here pretty much states Jesus is God John 1 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ² The same was in the beginning with God. ³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ⁴ In him was life; and the life was the light of men. ⁵ And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ⁶ There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. ⁷ The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. ⁸ He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. ⁹ That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. ¹⁰ He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. ¹¹ He came unto his own, and his own received him not. ¹² But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: ¹³ Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. ¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ¹⁵ John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. ¹⁶ And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. ¹⁷ For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
@@destroyerofyorks : If the Creator of this universe Jehovah God comes close to this earth, the earth will evaporate in a nuclear explosion. The earth cannot go closer to the sun. God sends his angels to speak for him They are depicted by Moses as being God himself. Because they were SENT by God to SPEAK God's words and not their own. God told Moses THROUGH an angel that humans can never see him (ie God) and continue to exist (Exodus 33:20). Because readers could assume that the angels who are depicted as God were God himself, John wrote the qualifier 'ANY TIME'. This would clear up any confusion for the reader. This certainly rules Jesus - a son of God - being God at ANY or even SOME TIME. We MUST accept Bible truth. Why would we look for ways to discredit clear unambiguous statements of truth found in the Bible.
@@rickhuntling7338 : There! One is correct! Every time the term God appears, IT ONLY APPLIES to the God and Father of Jesus and his disciples (John 20:17). Under what mitigating circumstances will it also refer to Jesus? Isaiah 6:1 In the year that King Uz·zi′ah died, I saw Jehovah (YHWH) sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple.
I always thought of it as this: we are made in the image of God. We have three parts just like him. Body, soul, and for those born again, a living spirit.
@@alphonsedenny4962 The soul is the life of the person, the person himself. The spirit of us is then life force that belongs to God. When he breathes life in us we become a living soul.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Your analogy is considered heresy to an informed Trinitarian since it describes more modalism. Jesus is not YHWH. YHWH is his God. (Micah 5:4) Isaiah 61:1 shows YHWH anointed Jesus. Not the same being. YHWH was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (Exodus 6:3) What is Jesus in relation to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob as seen in Acts 3:13?
I have no idea why YT brought this up in my feed, but I'm glad it did. I am a firm believer in the Trinity, but it helps to have a clear discussion of it when someone challenges me. One of my favorite passages to establish the diety of the Holy Spirit is John 14, because when Jesus talks about the Comforter, He says the Father would send another Comforter. If I understand correctly, this is not just another person, like a prophet, as the Muslims claim, but rather, according to the Greek, another just like Himself. So if Jesus is ruled to be God by the terms laid down in the Bible, you must conclude also the Holy Spirit is God. Btw, a question for you: should we refer to that 3rd person of the Trinity as the Holy Spirit, or as "Holy Spirit," as if this is a proper name? I've always done the former and recently have seen some doing the latter, so I'm curious what you say about this. Scriptures that say the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself make me think that though He is God, He does not ever identify a name for Himself, and can be called the Holy Spirit. I guess Jesus does call Him the Comforter, and I suppose we could call Him that. What is your opinion on how to address different persons in the Trinity, or should we bother about that, except to pray to the Father in Jesus' name?
Jesus said he would send another Comforter. He said "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you." Jesus is clearly stating that HE is the Holy Spirit.
@@MrsCheb :You are correct. We are not thinking the same way. I'm saying that the Father whose essence is Spirit (John 4:24), created a body called the Son. Inhabited it for 30 years. And now the same Father inhabits his people. Father, Son, or Holy Ghost whichever title you want to use, are not separate persons. But different modes that the Father God has made himself known and interacted with his creation.
John 16:33 I have told you this so that you will have peace by being united to me.The world will make you suffer. But be brave I have defeated the world!" Amen Amen Amen
The Bible is the only book that has the Author present every time you open it up, no matter where you are the Holy Spirit will come & guide you into all Truth. ♥️
Yeah no. The authors of the bible aren't even known. They are mainly anonymous. The only book where the author is actually always with you when you read it is the Quran. I've read both. You can try it for yourself. Please keep an open mind.
@@bishrnthe author she is referring to is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Is there some speculation about physical writers… yes, but the Bible from Genesis to Revelation presents a coherent picture of God, because He in unchanging. And she can’t just keep an open mind, because one of us is wrong, and it’s about getting to that truth. So who do you say Jesus is?
@@Heather.Isaiah43.1 thank you for your respectful comment. "the author she is referring to is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit." As one would notice from your response, you used the singular word author and then mentioned 3. Moreover we notice you subconsciously didn't say Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. This goes to show that you know that the only true God, just as John 17:3 clearly stated, is the Father. Yet you will stubbornly go against what your soul is screaming at you. I would beg you to be true to yourself and finally admit to yourself what Jesus clearly says is the greatest commandment: OUR (he included himself in this) Lord is one. Just as when he clearly says: I am going to my God AND your God, my Father AND your Father. "Is there some speculation about physical writers… yes, but the Bible from Genesis to Revelation presents a coherent picture of God, because He in unchanging." Although you want to believe that, everything in the bible screams the contrary. Many chapters have anonymous authors, that is why none of them are "by anyone", they are all "according to". The OT and NT are NOT coherent. The OT shows a very strict God, whereas the verses with the life of Jesus show a mellow, more balanced God, and after Jesus the church letters, especially by Paul show an injustly forgiving God (He gives no thought to the deeds, be them good or bad, which is a very strong deterrent from good for most people). As to the fact that God is supposedly unchanging, before the miraculous birth, God was never mentioned or prayed to as triune. Never. Then suddenly He "emptied himself", He became flesh, He became mortal, He became dependent on the creation for food, shelter, protection and death. Again, you are subconsciously saying what you believe innately (God doesn't change), yet fail to see that the church (incorrectly) teaches you the opposite. Have you never asked yourself why none of the prophets (who are supposedly sent by God) throughout the bible pray to a triune God (including Jesus), yet suddenly Christians should? Moreover they barely pray to the Father or the Holy Spirit, although when Jesus was asked how people should pray he exclusively gave the heavenly prayer to the Father. NO MENTION of Jesus or the holy spirit anywhere. "So who do you say Jesus is?" I say what the bible and Quran say he is, without forcing my view onto this. John 17:3 (prophet sent by the Father) Acts 10:38 (anointed by God) (he was performing the miracles FOR GOD WAS WITH HIM) Jesus taught a heavenly message: “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me” (John 7:16). He also stated that He spoke “just what the Father has taught me” (John 8:28). In Jesus’ High Priestly Prayer, He says, “I gave them the words you gave me” (John 17:8). Thus, Jesus clearly fulfilled the role of a prophet, as He was a spokesman for God. Moreover prophets perform miracles BY THE POWER OF GOD. Jesus performing many miracles and healings (e.g., Matthew 8:14-15; Mark 1:40-45; Luke 8:42-48; and John 6:16-21). Even when responding to the claim of the Pharisees that he cast out demons he says in Matthew 12:28 that he does this by the spirit of God. The title “prophet” is used many times in the Gospels when other people refer to Jesus (Matthew 21:11; Luke 7:16; John 4:19). Jesus also alluded to Himself as a prophet in Mark 6:4. And the crème de la crème: Jesus is called the "Son of Man" around 80 to 88 times in the New Testament. Yet somehow people twist the words to mean God or the son of God. It's like I said red and someone says: but that means green. And finally the Quran says: - He was sent by Allah and strengthened with the holy spirit (2:87, 2:253) - 3:49 a messenger to the Children of Israel (as he himself proclaims in the story of the Canaanite woman) - 3:50 came to attest the Law that came before him - 3:55 was raised to Allah - 4:157 was not killed or crucified by his enemies - 4:171 not the son of God or a part of any trinity - 4:172 servant and worshipper of Allah - 19:30 a prophet God bless you and peace be upon you
@@bishrn Okay that was so thorough. I mean nobody has ever been that thought out in their response to me ☺️ The Jews were expecting their next prophet to be the Messiah… So if you value the OT how do you reckon together the fact that you view Jesus as a prophet, but most Jews would probably frankly view Him as a liar? Then, when considering what Jesus prophesied about Himself, what do you do with scriptures like …. The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” •John 2:18-19 What do you believe Jesus was prophesying here? And what do you do with people who said things such as …. But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” •Matthew 16:15-16 As far as Yahweh being more harsh in the Old Testament. It’s because there was not the saving blood of Jesus to cover His people’s sins. So they experienced harsher punishments because they were facing their judgement in this life. Not when we are face to face with Him at the judgement seat. As far as Jesus being mellow… You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of…. He made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables….
@@bishrn I’m sorry there are just so many Bible verses that are hitting me that I just don’t understand what you do with. I mean if you don’t value the Bible the way you do the Quran I get it, but when Jesus says I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes through the Father except through Me… What do you do with that? Jesus said you will not have life except through Him. So to you does that just mean you have to believe He was a prophet?
@@defiance1790 ----news flash......so do the Jews see it that way.....you have been spoon-fed a false doctrine and there is a RUclips video by rabbi tovia singer that explains it
@mr. mr "he said before Abraham was I existed. To think that he said anything different is putting meaning that isn't there." No. You're implying that he said "Before Abraham was, I was (prederite tense)/ I have been (perfect tense)." However, that is not what the Greek grammar asserts. The Greek says, "I am" (present tense). In our traditional understanding of grammar, using two different tenses and then connecting them (as Jesus did: "Before Abraham *was,* I *am.")* wouldn't make sense. However, it makes sense when you think of God's nature. God is from everlasting to everlasting. Jesus used the present tense to represent His eternality. You are incorrect when you say it only means is that Jesus existed before Abraham, because the verse doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "Before Abraham was, I was (or "I have been")," it says, "Before Abraham was, *I am."* A Hebrew word study of the title "I am" (the same phrase, but in the Greek in the NT) in the OT will reveal this. You accuse them of inserting meaning into the text, but it is you doing that exact thing because you say that Jesus intended it to mean like in the past tense (Before Abraham was, I existED), when He so obviously uses the present tense. The Bible never says that Jesus is a created being. Jesus was begotten, not made.
Oneness believer here and came to this video because I want to understand the Trinity. Oneness being Modalism that Mike spoke about (I did not know that and that alone was worth my time, thank you.) I listened to it and went back to review parts as well. I just can't see how Trinity does anything better than Modalism without making it unnecessarily more complex. Almost every scripture you presented to support the Trinity can also support Modalism. This reminds me a lot of the two seemingly parallel paths in Pilgrims Progress. Two ideas that are so similar that you can't tell which path is right but one gradually leads you astray. Of course both Trinitarians and Modalists will say the other is the wrong path so c'est la vie. I interpret the scripture through the lens of the old testament. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law (the old testament) and all scriptures both he and the apostles use are from the old testament. Obviously the new testament did not yet exist. All concepts should be able to be supported by the old testament and yet the idea of three persons is not apparent. Yes, I know some scriptures hint at multiple persons such as Genesis 1:26 and there are some hints at Jesus in the theophanies. However, this idea is not found in Israeli teachings, no prophecies that I know of indicate anyone besides Jesus, nor are the hinting scriptures ever used by Jesus or the apostles. Further, there is no correlation found in nature. Scripture frequently uses nature as a teacher and scripture is in harmony with nature but the idea of three persons in one being is repulsive and deemed a sickness. I have a few problems with Triune persons that are not a problem in Modalism. I am totally open to anyone answering these things. I truly don't understand the Trinity and want to learn why it is the dominant viewpoint. First off, why are they not equal? The Holy Spirit wasn't introduced at all in scripture until the new testament and Jesus is only hinted at in the theophanies. Scripture says Jesus' name is placed above all other names (which would include Yahweh), that he has all power, and at the name of Jesus every knee would bow. So where is Yahweh and the Holy Spirit in this equation? Are they somehow inferior? Second, why is the Father the Father, when Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit? Again a contradiction to nature (Luke 1:35.) Third, why does Jesus tells his disciples to "baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" (Matt 28:19) and Peter says, "be baptized in the NAME of Jesus Christ... and you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:38)? Peter was full of the Holy Spirit and certainly the other disciples would have corrected him if he misspoke. Lastly, what is the point of splitting one being into three persons? Does a Triune Godhead have any benefit over simply a single God who manifested in 3 different ways? Mike said (extremely simplified paraphrase) it's just what God taught in scripture, therefore we must accept it. Except that goes against the entire point of apologetics. One God with different hats harmonizes with the old testament and nature so much better. A man can be a father, a son, and have a spirit at the same time, but a man with three persons doesn't make any sense unless you just accept it by faith that it is what it is. Why accept the complicated answer when a simpler answer exists. I don't believe Trinity vs. Modalism is a salvation issue and, unlike many in my church, I believe that Trinitarians are saved. Jesus said "He who is not against us is on our side" (Luke 9:50) and I believe regardless of the differences in our beliefs, we are both on the same side. But.... I just don't get it!
What about looking at as the Bible says? God is own person. He created Jesus before anything, which is why Jesus is called God's only-begotten son. Two separate and distinct individuals. It's how you go through the entire gospel with those two individuals speaking to each other. Jesus praying to God. Jesus showed they were separate by being sent by God and being obedient to God and returning to and being seared next to God.
The Holy Spirit was mention in the old testament read Psalm 51. The reason why the Holy spirit wasnt all that much mention in the old testament was because Israelites had harden their hearts to Yahweh...If you repent and asked to accept the Holy Spirit you can become born again. The Holy Spirit is supposed to Guide you to interpret the scriptures. I always pray and ask God to lead me to Preachers filled with the Holy Spirit. It's amazing to see how The Holy Spirit can open up the scriptures. Why do you think Jesus said blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the unforgiveable sin?
People seem to forget that Jesus was human. This is how he could pray to God (not praying to himself). John 5:19 says that Jesus could do nothing of himself save that what he sees the Father do. In Luke 4:12 he speaks as God, thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 1 Cor 1:13 says it matters what name you are baptized in. We are not baptized into Paul or any denomination. Also the Bible says that there is only One spirit. If this is the case then how is there Father (spirit) Son (spirit) Holy Ghost (spirit). There is only one God. He can be in more that one place at one time. Why can't God be in heaven and earth at the same time? This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. I have many other scriptures supporting one God. We Apostolics have nothing to do with JW's as many would like to indicate. I once knew one, and they were completely baffled that I didn't believe the trinity doctrine which opened the door for me to minister to her.
In the beginning was Eve, and Eve was with the human,, and Eve was a human..... The World is NOT the ONLY GOD -that is the FATHER ONLY, and Jesus even today worships the Father (He is our high priest to the father and not GOD) and he still have a GOD (his father) This only destroys any pagan trinity...
@@queen-asia2184 there's a difference between the Old Testament and New Testament one God. The Old Testament one God is 'me' Exodus 20:2-3 'You shall have no other gods/elohim before me': 'I am the LORD your God/Elohim/Gods who have brought you out of the land of Egypt out of the house of bondage': there's no other God, Gods/Elohim/God, Savior, Redeemer, Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD, Rock, Creator 'who brought you out of the land of Egypt out of the house of bondage' there's no other LORD/God/Elohim/Gods 'and the LORD went before them by day ... and by night' Exodus 13:21. Jesus is the saviour from sins Matthew 1:21 'for he shall save his people from their sins', no other beside him that saves from sin. 'Having purged our sins sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high' Hebrews 1:3.
Mike! Bro... I’m loving that the last few videos are aiming at educating Christians and not “attacking” believers with faulty theology. These videos edify the church... well done! Stay the course... bring scriptural truth for those lacking understand or knowledge! Leave those who preach a different gospel to their own devices... their “ministries” will die if it’s not from God. Enjoyed you video brother
@@ea-tr1jh God is a Spirit. And that would be common sense - which many have not. Not even the spirit of truth...the world cannot receive it cause they KNOW HIM NOT.....since they never knew the Father either.
@Steve Heston 2. There is no evidence that Mt 28:19 is an interpolation or corruption. Saying so is merely a conspiracy. There is sufficient evidence that it is not a corruption, because ante-nicene church fathers quote and paraphrase the verse, mentioning the Trinitarian formula. "It seems that trinitarians are desperate to make the Bible teach the Trinity." Actually, no, this isn't the case. Trinitarian scholars will and do openly admit that 1 John 5:7 in the KJV is a corruption. It was likely accidently inserted by a scribe. In fact, the only translations that have the corrupted translation nowadays are the KJV and its "spin-offs," such as the NKJV. The only reason why these corrupted translations are kept to this day is because delusional KJV-onlyists will throw a fit if they aren't, and the NKJV just copies the KJV, the only difference being it adopts a modern English dialect. 3. I have no idea how 1 Cor 10:1-4 supports your position.
@Steve Heston The evidence for your reading of Mt 28:19 is very weak. Eusebius was known to quote the trinitarian formula in other places (Contra Marcellum I.1.9; I.1.36; Theologia III. 5.22; EpCaesarea 3 (Socrates, Eccl.Hist 1.8); and Theophania 4.8). His shortened form of Mt 28:19 is easily explained by his shortening of other verses in his writing, such as, "God bestowed on him the name above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow of things in heaven and on earth and under the earth," when the full verse is: "Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth." It is not uncommon for Eusebius to shorten verses. The Trinitarian formula is also mentioned by church fathers much older the Eusebius. *The Didache:* "After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Before baptism, let the one baptizing and the one to be baptized fast, as also any others who are able” (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]). *Tatian the Syrian:* "Then said Jesus unto them, ‘I have been given all authority in heaven and earth; and as my Father has sent me, so I also send you. Go now into all the world, and preach my gospel in all the creation; and teach all the peoples, and baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit’ [Matt. 28:18-19]” (The Diatesseron 55 [A.D. 170]). *Hippolytus:* "When the one being baptized goes down into the water, the one baptizing him shall put his hand on him and speak thus: ‘Do you believe in God, the Father Almighty?’ And he that is being baptized shall say: ‘I believe.’ Then, having his hand imposed upon the head of the one to be baptized, he shall baptize him once. Then he shall say: ‘Do you believe in Christ Jesus . . . ?’ And when he says: ‘I believe,’ he is baptized again. Again shall he say: ‘Do you believe in the Holy Spirit and the holy Church and the resurrection of the flesh?’ The one being baptized then says: ‘I believe.’ And so he is baptized a third time” (The Apostolic Tradition 21 [A.D. 215]). *Tertullian:* "After his resurrection he promises in a pledge to his disciples that he will send them the promise of his Father; and lastly, he commands them to baptize into the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, not into a unipersonal God” (Against Praxeas 26 [A.D. 216]). *Origen:* “The Lord himself told his disciples that they should baptize all peoples in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit . . . for indeed, legitimate baptism is had only in the name of the Trinity” (Commentary on Romans 5:8 [A.D. 248]). *The Acts of Xantippe and Polyxena:* "Then Probus . . . leapt into the water, saying, ‘Jesus Christ, Son of God, and everlasting God, let all my sins be taken away by this water.’ And Paul said, ‘We baptize thee in the name of the Father and Son and Holy Ghost.’ After this he made him to receive the Eucharist of Christ” (Acts of Xantippe and Polyxena 21 [A.D. 250]). *Cyprian of Carthage:* “He [Jesus] commanded them to baptize the Gentiles in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. How then do some say that though a Gentile be baptized . . . never mind how or of whom, so long as it be done in the name of Jesus Christ, the remission of sins can follow-when Christ himself commands the nations to be baptized in the full and united Trinity?” (Letters 73:18 [A.D. 253]). *Eusebius of Caesaria:* “We believe . . . each of these to be and to exist: the Father, truly Father, and the Son, truly Son, and the Holy Ghost, truly Holy Ghost, as also our Lord, sending forth his disciples for the preaching, said, ‘Go teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.’” (Letter to the People of His Diocese 3 [A.D. 323]). As you can see, the Trinitarian formula is well attested in the pre-nicene church fathers, even going back to the Didache, which was a late first century or early second century work.
@@John-st7bf what are you saying??? Go tell a Jewish that we have 3Gods noooo nooo there's no 3persons in the bible. There's nooo 3Gods but 1 God in 3 offices. Noooo 3persons. 3offices of the one God
The 3 persons in one God still don't make sense to many people. I have faith in it but cannot explain it, because they think 3 persons make them seperate minds with seperate ways, therefore God is not one mind. Is there something it can be compared to? Not specifically a living, but like anything. Not comparing God to anything, of course not, but for understanding. I heard someone say it's like the left and right hand. United but seperate, but something that can have it make more sense in multiple ways to someone without faith.
This is the first point that Mike made. There is one God. And the Father is God. There is one God, 3 persons. The entire doctrine of the trinity is built on the fact that there is one God. An hour of scriptural back-up for the doctrine of the trinity, this one verse doesn’t disprove everything the Bible teaches us. If anything it bolsters the argument for the trinity. He also directly addresses your argument at 53:54
@@gr4hamm this verse clearly tells us that the Father is God. That is one person, and Jesus is the Son of that One God. 2 divine beings the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit is their spirit and not a person. This is what the scriptures teach.
imagine not even watching even the first part of the video before commenting (do not reply i'm not going to read it or answer lol, just try to be open minded about other peoples points, and take all things into factor to form a complete thought.)
@@lovealways2609 yes dreams are they and the other side is the truth of the bible (which i think you do not know) you write :"He, when angered... will accept NO ransom." Why do you use a text about adultery here ?proverbs 6:35
Thank you so much for teaching the Word of God. And that he is the Foundation of REALITY. I NEEDED TO HEAR THAT. Thank you again for clearly explaining the Word.
( 171 ) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. ( 172 ) Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together. 173 ) And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper. ( 174 ) O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light. Surat Annisaa (The Women), Holy Qur'an.
With respect. This sounds like a sigh of relief. 'I've believed the Trinity blindly for so long. At last someone has come along and explained my belief to me.' If beliefs were based on truth, this scripture should have been taken into consideration. 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Jesus had been SEEN. Just some help.
Love this so much. I am so sad my sister and her fiance got pulled to Unitarian views. They don’t believe in trinity because of apparently Catholics creating the word and they don’t believe Jesus is God. Please pray for them 🙏🏽
Mike you make things clear for me. I’ve never questioned the doctrine of the Trinity. I’ve always figured it’s one of those mysteries that I would understand when I get there and until then I’ll just trust and believe. But your explanations and scripture references make it more clear to me.
The Johannine Comma is an interpolation (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment given by YAHSHUA to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the name of YAHSHUA, as demonstrated in the book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity--at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity!
There’s no such of thing in the Bible God has never said he’s trinity or we are trinity it is one God you just added to the bible look at that! 1 Cor 12:6
@@rlrieth i don’t have to watch a video, because the video cannot change what God is don’t add to the scripture Rev 22:18-21 . God is one no trinity . Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh 1 Tim 3:16, The Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is God John 4:23-24. 1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.”
@@RTVS6720 I guess I don’t understand your perspective. Why would you criticize Mike for making this video by saying you don’t have to watch it. He brought up so many more scripture references than the ones you gave. It was good. Don’t understand what you are saying: that you already know everything?
I greatly appreciate your video. I used to be an Adventist, and I got out of the EGW cult and got rebaptized as a Christian in the Baptist church. they fought about the Trinity in the Adventist church too. I personally don't know why we have this doctrine. I am saved by relationship with God, by love (John 13:34,35). Relationships, not informational hermaneutics - including all this Trinity stuff. The bible says Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It does not say Trinity and the bible says not to add things or omit things. (The trinity says 3 co-equal persons). The trinity is Tertulian's personal opinion and there is nothing wrong with a Christian man having a personal hermaneutic, but I don't know why this personal hermaneutic became a corporate hermaneutic. as far as I am concerned, it is just a lot of word gymnastics, opinions and ideas (Mark 7:7). I am not saved by Tertulian's opinions; I am saved by my Lord and Savior (John 14:6) and what He told me to do about that. (Mark 12:29-31). I don't need to figure out everything about God 'under the hood". He says to trust me and lean not on your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5,6. I honestly do not think that God the Father appreciates being called 'a Trinity'. It seems disrespectful as if we need to reduce God to inanimate components and slap labels all over our relationship with God.
What is at stake here goes far beyond whether or not the word "trinity" is explicitly found in scripture. The word itself is merely the name of a doctrine and as such it is not the same as "adding to scripture". If your position is that Jesus is not God then that makes you an adovcate of another doctine - unitarianism - which isn't found in scripture either, so the argument you appeal to here is self-defeating. Also, NO ONE is slapping labels on the Father! We don't call the Father a trinity, we call the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit a trinity, and not as a means of being disrespectful, but because it is CONVENIENT to use labels in a language in order to refer to concepts. Don't try to invent problems that do not exist.
hermeneutics is vital in understanding the Bible though. Many cults cherry pick aka proof text, so you best not blenderize* a mess when refuting their tossed salad. * les feldick, Through the Bible. Further, the Bible cites dispensation coupled w " rightly dividing the Word of Truth". For the record.
Oh, Pastor Mike, you make me feel so old! You're in your 40s, I'm in my 60s. Your teaching is an inspiration, and I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a Christ-filled New Year.
@@jesuschristinislam9679 Jesus said repeatedly that He came from Heaven. In John 3:13, Jesus said," And no man hath ascended up to Heaven, but He that came down from Heaven, even the Son of Man which is in Heaven." Jesus said also in Matthew 11::25 "All things are delivered unto Me of My Father: and no man knoweth the Son but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him". I pray that the LORD will reveal Himself to you.
@@vincentawbrey8800 what are you trying to prove ? Are you trying to prove that jesus is god ? Or are trying to prove that jesus is son of god ? Jesus can never be GOD simply because GOD is not a man , GOD is not human being , GOD is a created thing . GOD is holy and perfect ...while jesus is not ... GOD does not require food and drink to sustain His life because GOD is the sustainer and Provider ..GOD is self sufficient master ...GOD does not go to toilet or bathroom to urinate and defecate ..while jesus did eat and drink and sleep ... That is not the quality of GOD ...wake up bro ...leave the church now ! You are being fooled by their lie and thier false manmade doctrine
@@jesuschristinislam9679 Are you trying to "win" an argument or are you even interested in Who Jesus said He is? If you don't believe what Jesus has revealed about Himself in the Bible, or if you don't believe the Bible you are not saved, period.
@@vincentawbrey8800 i am both to defend Jesus Christ, his teaching , his message and his identity, i know who Jesus is,.. when i stand with JESUS automatically i will win the debate ,.. BIBLE is corrupted book, if you dont know that, that mean you are leave behind ,..if i want i can show you the verse ,..! JESUS did not die on the CROSS ,. he was escaped, survived and rescued by GOD ,.. JESUS was sinless and innocent ,..JESUS was not criminal ,..SO DONT THINK and dont insist that JESUS die on the CROSS ?? How did JESUS die on the cross,..? did he die as a man or as a god ?
Additionally, people mistaken the title "Son of God" as a literal description of Jesus-as if He's sort of son in literal sense. I've been reading the book "The Sonship of Christ" by Ty Gibson, and I'm glad I found it. I learned that the term "son of God" is his covenant identity. Isaac was the begotten son of Abraham, but that doesn't mean he's the only son. Rather, he was the begotten son because he is the only begotten covenant son. God also told David that he begot him (Psalm 2), but it didn't mean that David became a literal son in a sense that he's another diety. The title "Begotten Son" is a calling to the covenant vocation. Jesus is fulfilling the covenant that the nation of Israel, David, Solomon, has failed to do. He is the new Adam, and he reenacted Israel's covenant history to establish the kingdom of God, which they failed to do so. I will also quote specific lines from the book: "And that is precisely what Jesus means when He calls Himself God's 'only begotten Son.' By appropriating the title to Himself, Jesus is explaining to Nicodemus that He is the messianic antitype of Isaac, and Israel, and David, and Solomon. So, then, John 3:16 is not a declaration that Jesus was literally 'begotten' of God way back before coming to our world, nor that Jesus came into distinct existence chronologically after God. Rather, John 3:16 is telling us that Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant promise foreshadowed in Israel's covenantal Sonship." I used to wonder about the Sonship of Jesus and the Trinity itself because they used to explain it to me in a vague sense. How are you supposed to teach someone if you can not even explain it in a sense that they would understand at the same time won't be far from what the context actually say? Thank you for this!
Jesus is a literal Son of GOD, in that He is GOD's firstborn Also, this nonsense that Jesus is something other than a son, with a Father is all quite silly tbh. I mean, how far must people go, to deny the obvious truth - yes, Jesus has a 'literal' Father - oh my, what a tragedy...
@@SmalltimR Peace be with you Friend ❤️ ""God did Not get married and have a son. God did Not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God’s Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35"" That's why Yeshua isn't Literally the Son of God. Yeshua is The Eternal Son of God, because he Shares in the Same Divine Nature as God. Yeshua is God the Son ❤️✝️
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 As YHWH is clearly not human, it is obvious that His sons in heaven are not born of physical means. And so this nonsense of human progeny taking precedent over divine matters. is nothing but silly gibberish. As for _'being made manifest',_ here again, it is the ineptitude of the wording, which testifies to the claim, in that the term; _'manifest',_ literally means; _'revealed',_ and moreso, having nothing whatsoever to do with the topic whatsoever. But who are we kidding - in a world consumed with deception and lies, the notion that the Messiah is called Son by His Father, only to have the people of this earth denying written testimony for self-made delusions - should come as no surprise at all... PS. as there is no such title as 'GOD the son' - you should really consider stopping the spread of lies in honor of the devil, and in exchange for the truth revealed to Jesus by GOD - Jesus died for the truth, and we should honor His death, by honouring GOD's written truth without the addition or removal of anything.
The great deception.... Revelation 19 :10.... This is who Yeshua is .John 3:all John 8;48 John 13:16 John 6 : 38 Read the whole chapter.... Then read the whole book
Satan know what he's doing having us praying to Jesus ...question who is Jesus in the Greek and Latin this name doesn't exist .. But the whole world use it like a lucky charm ...
@@bobpolo2964 i can not say if Yeshua was created ...but i know he's not divine like the father because he die. ....Jehovah's can not die at any given time ...
"Theology is loving God and knowing who He is!" Love it!!! To me, one of the most wonderful things about the Trinity is God's utter humility and totally giving nature. The Father keeps nothing back but gives all authority to the Son. The Son willingly humbles Himself under the Father's authority. And the Spirit also goes at the Father's command, as if He was a mere angel. He keeps in the background and speaks of and glorifies Jesus.
@@alphonsedenny4962 God does not pray to God? Where is that in scripture? Lol im just teasing. To be honest though brother, i would say that Jesus was still God while He was on earth. Just because He was wearing a robe made of flesh does not mean He was any less God. Let us use your example of water to reason this; If i take a boat out to the middle of the Pacific ocean, and dive down about halfway, and collect a jar of water, is that water any less a part of the ocean now that it is held captive by a jar? What about when i remove the jar from the ocean and place it on the boat? Of course not. It is as much "Pacific Ocean" as it was when i gathered it. Same thing works with the wind/air. So it is with God. I cannot explain the physics of it obviously, but Christ was as much God as He was a man. Hence why He could still forgive sin, perform miracles, predict the future, and cast judgement. All of these attributes belong to God alone.
@@leokennedy4557 John 3:16 God gave not loaned for a season. Heb2 talks about his humanity (lower than the angels-for a season) He was 100%man, the purpose to accomplish salvation and in order to taste death he had to be a man Heb2:9 He was born born-again verse11 keyword brethren/children God gave him (Luk8:21,Joh20:17) Heb2:12,13 echoes Christ's prayer in Joh17:26, verse6,9,19. So there are 2catergories of humans here.. the world (unregenerate)and the brethren (regenerate). Fallen nature of Adam Rm8:3. Joh10:36 Christ was sanctified first then sent into the world. Heb2:14 the children specifies the nature Christ took (Heb2:11,13. He brought a lifeline-a connection with the Father, He had the Spirit of God. He is our Saviour. He was from the seed of Abraham (Isaac the child of promise-a type of Christ)Heb2:16,Rm9:6-8. Joh3:6,7 1st birth flesh 2nd birth Spirit both humans. Rm8:8,14. So Christ's human nature was born of the flesh/humanity and born of the Spirit(of God/sanctified) His nature was of the born again Believer Heb2:17,18. That is why He had to be inferior to the angels... to save humanity He had to be 100%man. Heb1 talks about Christ's divinity. God the Father elevates him above the angels, gives Him His inheritance as the begotten Son so yes He is 100% God now. He is our representative in Heaven as a man that's why we can boldly go to the Father's throne. As a life-giving spirit He reconciles the Believer back to God by dwelling in us. Col1:27 Peace.
Thanks! I loved this presentation. This week, I am preaching along these very lines at church, and your teaching gave me some more inspiration for my sermon. I am speaking on our statement of beliefs, and am talking about the trinity this week. I was worried that people would see it as just an academic teaching, but you starting with the 7 questions shows how important it is to know these things. Thanks for that!
you want to understand the Trinity? Here you go The Father is God in His Glory They Son is God in flesh the Word The Holy Spirit is Gods Presence Look at it this way, we are created in God image We are also 3n1 When we die, our flesh is buried on earth, our spirit departs from our flesh an goes to heaven or hell. (now we are in two diffwrbtb places at once like Jesus), but we are one person At the rapture we will get our glorified bodies. We have our flesh, spirits, glorified bodies 1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Moses also says the same in Exodus Hopefully now you understand the Trinity
@@putjesusfirst9217 No we are never in 2 places at one time. One central place of consciousness. And there are problems with “God” being in 1 Timothy 3:16. Look at the manuscript evidence. Most trinitarian translations now have it WHOM or HE.
For the sake of all the young people in your congregation, please do not shy away from "academic" teaching. If not answered, it is the academic questions that cause people to spurn the faith when they become adults.
Pastor Mike, thanks for making this video. I was raised a Jehovah's Witness, now that I've left, the Trinity was something I was very unsure of. Now I both understand and believe in the Trinity
@@StretchMn I was disfellowshipped in 2021 for having sex with a widow from the UK (I'm in the US) in 2017. She confessed to (I believe) get back at me, but it helped me to wake up.
Romans:8:26 In the same way the Spirit also comes to help us, weak as we are. For we do not know how we ought to pray, the Spirit himself pleads with God for us in groans that words cannot express. Amen Amen Amen
God’s spirit is not a person but what God uses, his dynamic power in action, to accomplish His will and help us when we pray. We never pray to the Holy Spirit but for it.
@@waynecolburn8849 That doesn’t necessarily make it a person. For example, “the land" is represented as mourning because of devastations caused by invading armies or by a plague. Joel 1:10-12 “The land mourns." NASB Does "the land" have a "functioning personality?" Actually, there are almost overwhelming examples of "inanimate things" that seem to do what we would attribute only to humans. Here's just one I like, found in Psalms 96:11 tells us that "All the trees of the forest will sing for joy." NASB There are also other things that you are very well aware of that are "personified" in the Scriptures. Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both "works" and "children." The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as "kings." (Romans 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as "receiving an inducement," 'working out covetousness,' 'seducing,' and 'killing.' (Romans 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person. Personifying it does not make it a person. This is not something unusual. There are many, many more examples of other things being personified in Scripture.
I was raised Oneness Pentecostal and your first point about monotheism is very important. I was thought that you guys believe in 3 gods. I don't identify was Oneness anymore. I'm only 13 minutes in and this is really good so far. I sure I'll be back to comment again. Salute!
I am oneness believer... aka a monotheistic person who believes that jesus is God I just dont believe that God has multiple personality disorder... the father is the spirit, the essence in the way he describes the trinity, jesus is the son as in God manifest in the flesh as stated in scripture, he came to make many sons of God as talked about in hebrews, and the holy spirit is poured out after jesus is crucified and that is God dwelling in his new temple (man). Oneness just believes the spirit is what makes up God we dont deny the sonship of jesus or that jesus was God... Isiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Notice he is called mighty God and everlasting father. Dont forget tortelliun didnt create the trinity until 200 AD and even he admitted the common belief was oneness theology... that's what maybe 3 generations of people post Jesus... I dont really see the majority of Christian's believing that If it wasnt taught that way by the apostles.
@ DJ B PLUS The question here is __Why to disconnect from the Scriptures using coined new words not really pertaining to the Scriptures as Oneness & Trinity ? __Does Jesus said Monotheist (Worshipping) quoting from Deuteronomy 6:4 ? That's exactly the words in Greek expressed by Jesus on John 17:3 'This means everlasting life for those acknowledging about you; the true monotheist/the only true God (of Israel ) and to whom you sent forth, Jesus.' Here Jesus definally quoted from the first commandment on Deuteronomy 6:4 and well- written down his words on John 17:3, by his apostle John.
@@EnlightenedByChrist There is not such inspired expression that the most high God Jehovah of Israel had manifest himself on the flesh, like a "child being born to us " of Isaiah 9:6 actually quoted by John on Revelation 12:1-7 the male child born known on the flesh as Jesus from the celestial woman who turned to be not Jehovah God of Israel but Jesus in his roll of Arcangel Michael and his angels matching his Princesshood of Peace in heaven according to the prophecy same all on Isaiah 9:6 For a child has been born and he would be..."Prince of Peace ". Let's get things straight from the very beggining on what does the Scriptures really teach us about the God of Israel and Jesus Christ the appointed king not till snatch back to heaven !
When I was born my parents were already JWs. So I was raised to believe and taught to believe that Jesus was created as Michael the Archangel. When I started searching for truth it became obvious to me that what they believed was not the truth. The most difficult Christian doctrine for me to accept was the trinity until I watched a debate between James White and a JW whose name I dont recall. I remember that James White's argument was convincing enough for me to accept. Still I struggled with it for some time untill I started reading and studying the King James Bible and set aside their New World Translation. The more I read and studied the easier and more convincing the trinity became a concept that I haven't question since. With prayer, study and a proper bible translation I now can understand what Christian truth is and I can defend it as well.
Glad to hear you came to know the truth. Two excellent books that I would recommend for you are: 1. Father, Son and Spirit: The Trinity and John’s Gospel by Scott R. Swain and Andreas J. Köstenberger, (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic, 2016). 2. Putting Jesus in His Place by Robert M. Bowman Jr. and J. Ed Komoszewski (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 2007). May God bless.
I would recommend reading the Bible. And be wary of those who teach "teach philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition..." as Col. 2:8 warns. There is not one mention of the trinity from Genesis through Revelation. What it does show is that Jehovah is the one true God. From- Ge. 1:26 - God says to Jesus, "Let US make man in OUR image..." (Plural, one is God, the other is Jesus.) To- De. 6:4,5 - Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. To Ps. 83:18 - ...that you, whose name is Jehovah, you ALONE are the Most High... To- Mt. 4:10 where Jesus says to worship Jehovah God and him ALONE. To- Jo. 3:16 where God sends his only-begotten son. To- Jo. 17:3 where Jesus prays to his Father calling that Father the only true God, who sent Jesus. To- 1 Co. 8:5,6 where only the Father is called God. To- Re. 1:1 - A revelation by Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM. So Jesus got it from God, two individuals still. Plural from the beginning to the end. Thats what the scriptures teach.
Hi Blair, I'm sure you are well acquainted with people like Mark Kittleson-a JW who would rather hold his errant beliefs than accept the truth. Mark has been told many many times that trinitarians teach that the one God subsists in three persons and that this is monotheism, but he will not listen. Mark has been told that Jesus is identified as Jehovah in the NT (Mat 3:3, Rom 10:13, etc.) and that they are so clear that even the Watchtower has admitted that Jesus is the referent in these passages (The Watchtower, May 1, 1978, p. 12), but he still denies it. You know he has major issues when he denying what his own organization has admitted. The WT attempts to justify why Jesus can be called Jehovah, but they can't deny that Jesus is identified as Jehovah in the NT. Mark, however, refuses to accept what the Bible says, and refuses to accept what the WT has said. But again, I'm sure you're familiar with guys like him.
@@StretchMn lol. You do! Jesus is identified as Jehovah in the NT, so when you deny it and advocate the teaching of the Watchtower over the the testimony of the Bible you're advocating a man-made philosophy.
That is human thinking and what you think is the point. O don't. But I only read the bible and never is it there. My church believes there is FATHER , SON , AND HOLY GHOST but never say they are a trinity. It's unbiblical. Once again MIKE DID GOaDmake a mistake leaving it out. Never has HE made a mistake.
ANYTHING is possible with GOD SO HE has not chosen to reveal thus mystery. It's really no real use thinking a lot about it, especially when you could be working on your salvation.
You started by explaining the “doctrine of the trinity” according to a pre-conceived belief or idea, then attempted to find verses in the Bible that support your doctrine. That is not how the Word of God should be read. Reading it this way can be used to prove almost anything you’ve set out to prove. Instead, you should read the Bible as a whole to find out what God wants to tell us about who He is. Not what you want Him to be according to your pre-conceived ideas. If you have to rely on outside human authors like James White to explain a doctrine that is not clearly explained in the Bible, you are misleading yourself and many others who listen to you. Unless James White, and others like him, received a revelation from the Most High directly, their books and words can tell us NOTHING about who God REALLY IS. The “Word of God” became flesh in order to tell us everything we need to know about who or what God is. No other outside sources are needed. You later claim that you believe the entire Bible and claim that Jesus is not the Son of God, but God himself. By doing so, you are turning God and His Son into liars! Nowhere in the entire Bible are the words ‘God the Son’ or ‘God the Holy Spirit’ mentioned. It’s almost always God the Father. The doctrine that you are teaching is NOT mentioned or explained by any apostle or disciple of Messiah. The trinity doctrine is a man-made philosophical abstraction meant to confuse people and turn a true relationship with our Creator into worshipping of an incomprehensible impersonal deity. We worship a REAL LIVING Heavenly Father, not a triune being with multiple personality disorder.
If is similar to a Judge convicting someone. Then ordering the police to look for evidence to help with his decision. These videos alone prove that the Trinity is a scam.
but thats the only way the doctrine works, first you invent the doctrine, then you cut little bits and pieces out of the bible from one end to the other, place them all back together, and do your little smoke and mirror act.
@@tongakhan230 trinity isn't false You can use quantum mechanics to explain the biblical trinity Jesus Christ, Father, Holy Spirit are three aspects of the same thing Just as Space and Time are two aspects of the same thing called Spacetime Therefore Son Father Holy spirit Are three aspects of an entity called God
was doing a refresh on this particular teaching, and just wanted to say thank you Mike! something about the revelation of the spirit being personable brought me to joyous tears and really refreshed my soul. thank you again for your ministry, & allowing God to speak to, & through you. God bless you man much love
@@T.m513 I am a Christian who does not believe in the trinity. You also described modalism which is not what the scriptures teach. God is one. Not three in one. Jesus has someone always that is God to him so he can’t be that God. He said to have faith in God and ALSO in him. (John 14:1)
@@T.m513 Thanks for writing. Can you please take a look and tell me what you think. 5:68 Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." 10:94-95 If you are in doubt about what We revealed to you, ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt. And do not be of those who deny God’s revelations, lest you become one of the losers. May I point out that the Bible is called al kitab al muqaddas in Arabic, literally, the Holiest of Books. Do you agree?
@@T.m513 The Quran says: "No one can change the words of God." (Sura 6.34 Al-An'_am [The flocks]). [In Arabic reads: "Là mubaddìla: lìkalima:t Allah," 6:34]. So if you are right the Quran is wrong. The truth is, The Quran proclaims that the Bible is the word of God in many places. (Surah 3:3; Surah 4 ) And, the Quran accepts the Bible as authentic in the 6th Century C.E. when the Quran was composed. If it was acceptable in Muhammed's time, suggesting that it had not yet become corrupted and mistranslated, what do we say of translations today based on manuscripts preceding the birth of Islam? Thousands of copies of scripture predate the Quran by centuries. When compared, as they carefully have been, with later copies, there are in fact no substantial changes in the text - no change in the meaning of the words either. You appear to be repeating what others have told you, not what you have checked and researched for yourself. The claim of Muslims that Allah gave the Torah, the Psalms and the Injil, but then was too weak to protect its contents from imperfect sinful humans is a weak claim/excuse that dishonors the God you claim to honor and acknowledge as having no limits to his power or wisdom. Why do Muslims claim he was weak and incapable of preserving the Torah, the Psalms and the Injil (though the ancient copies of each in fact prove that they WERE properly preserved, but then ask people to believe that the same God who was overpowered by weak and corrupt imperfect humans, WAS able to preserve the Quran. Why does God suddenly become powerful after being so weak that he could be overpowered by imperfect humans prior to the Quran? Are you willing to use the same standard for both books, or do you, like most Muslims, favor a double standard in favor of the Quran?? So God could and did preserve the Quran accurately, but could not and did not do so with the scriptures that preceded it?? Double standard. “He has revealed to you the Book with the truth, confirming the scriptures which preceded it; for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel for the guidance of men, and the distinction between right and wrong.” (Surah 3:2, NJD) Also what book of the Bible do you say we don’t know who wrote it? Thanks.
@@T.m513 So is God so weak he can’t preserve his Word when he says he would even in your Quran? I don’t think those who called themselves Christians really followed Christ or his teachings. The vast majority still don’t. Many have images and idols and the Bible says not to make them or use them in worship.
Just one. JESUS Christ. Read carefully Daniel 7. The Ancient of days (Father) gave power to the Son of man (JESUS) so all people from around the world should serve Him (JESUS)
@@iamfunnyipromise9605 trinitarian. I believe in one God. But at the same time there are 3 persons in that one God. When God show himself to us, just one God will appear! But when God spoke to us, we know He have three consciousness'. Each of them can be differentiate from one another but cannot be separated from one another. And man are created in that image.We cannot live alone, we are independent but dependent on one another at the same time. But we can be separated but God cannot be separated.
@@iamfunnyipromise9605 I believe in trinitarian cause bible itself tells that. I don't know why we are divided by this. The bible itself is so clear about that. Read carefully Daniel 7. In that chapter 2 persons appeared, who are they?
I was buying a car yesterday and was all going well. I was signing the title and he started talking about the Trinity. Come to find out, he was a Oneness Pentecostal. He tried convincing me for an hour and a half all while holding the title without his signature. He kept trying to prove his point, but every point he made actually just affirms the Trinity. He was saying that Jesus is the name of God and he was here on earth and was killed. He actually couldn't answer who Jesus was praying to, or how God gave his only son for the world. Seems like his beliefs were actually in line with a trinity, but he has some twisted way of understanding it I guess. I tried to explain that we don't believe there are 3 separate Gods or anything, just one God... 3 in 1. He told me I was a polytheist and that anyone who believed in the Trinity was going to Hell... Weirdest vehicle purchase I have ever made.
Whether people believe in the Trinity or not, when they die they all end up in hell. Even Jesus did when he died (Acts 2:27). It just refers to the GRAVE. Compare various translation of the cited scripture. Isn't it obvious that many have varying views on what the Trinity means. This was introduced by tha RCC. It surely boils down to a blind faith, doesn't it. Here are Jesus' words which should help us get an accurate knowledge on whom we worship: John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, See also John 17:3 which clearly shows that we must get to know God and Jesus Christ if salvation is desired. They are two SEPARATE individuals. Just hope the above helps reason.
@@tongakhan230 JESUS gave a true story of Abraham's bosom with Lazarus and the rich man. A paradise Abraham's bosom with an impassable chasm separate your future habitation being torment side of hell. 1st Peter 3:19 "By which also HE went and preached unto the spirits in prison".
@@rickhuntling7338 : If we read that allegorical account, some questions need be asked IF we want to believe that is a true account. Why is belief in Jesus which is paramount for being saved not even mentioned? From where did the water come? How is it that someone on one side can stretch his hand and give this water to someone on the other side without getting his hand burned if a literal fire existed? How do people who are actually dead conduct a conversation? Luke 16:31 gives a clue. Jesus was targeting TWO LIVING GROUPS who have had their roles changed (DEATH) after Jesus arrived. Jesus was dead and nonexistent for parts of three days UNTIL God resurrected him. He couldn't do any travelling or preaching as he didn't exist during that time. Here is the verse before. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT. God resurrected Jesus back into his angelic spirit form. It was IN THIS SPIRIT FORM that Jesus could leave this earth and visit the fallen angels and tell them that he had accomplished God's purpose and that they had lost out. 1 Peter 3:19 And IN THIS STATE he went and preached to the spirits in prison, God won't give us a book that has contradictory teachings. Hope this is helpful.
I'm only 2 minutes in but I want to add something. Mike you say that there are more people who criticize the trinity than there are defending it. Well, I think this is a perfect time to call out pastors out there. This fault is not all of us because it is ALL of our duty to study the Bible, however, pastors take it upon themselves to seek leadership roles in preaching the Bible and many pastors are not preaching what is taught in this video and its a real shame. Mayne they themselves do not know how to defend it which is also a real shame.
The author of the TRINITY IS NIMROD ? ? ? THE OPPOSER OF JEHOVAH ? ? ? BEWARE OF THE WING NUT PAGAN TWIST the TRINITY teachings are a terrible risk. ? ? DON'T put your faith in it or future will be brisk ? ? 😨😲 😳
Actually there is nothing to criticize about the trinity. It does it by its own definition. It is found in many cultures and religions in some form. Here is a simple unambiguous statement of truth from someone who grew up with Jesus and certainly knew Jesus very well. 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Unless no one actually saw Jesus, he logically couldn't have been God even for a moment. I trust this helps.
@@tongakhan230 Correct. John 4:24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; (God does not have the potential to lie) neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Jesus Christ had the potential to lie because he had free will. Jesus Christ was tempted in all things like as we are but he chose to obey and believe. Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: Hebrews 4:15 says that Jesus Christ was tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin. So he had the potential to lie, and to be tempted to lie. Otherwise the comfort that Hebrews seems to be giving to the believer (hey don't feel bad when you are tempted even the saviour was - is nothing but a ruse). There are two fallacies that Mike employs at the very beginning of his video. The true scottsman fallacy and the arguing from authority. Both are so clear in his labeling anyone that disagrees with his position as a cultist (even though this trinitarian belief actually is a cultist belief ripped from the pagans themselves and palmed off as truth after 300 years of doctrinal development.
@@mcozzieman : True! Satan knew that Jesus was his fellow angel and reasoned that if he (ie Satan) could fall, another son of God could. '"If you are a son of God etc etc" - Matthew 4:3,6. If Jesus couldn't sin, then the temptations were a charade with Jesus in on the deception. Peter's words wouldn't make any sense. 1 Peter 2:21 In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely. 22 HE COMMITTED NO SIN, nor was deception found in his mouth. 23 When he was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When he was suffering, he did not threaten, but he entrusted himself to the One who judges righteously. Peter is urging Christians to use Jesus as a MODEL to follow. Although he could sin, he DIDN'T. But kept his integrity to God.
It’s wild how you can hear something a 1000 times growing up. Yet it takes hearing it 1001 time to blow your mind. This video really blessed me, I’m still in awe. And that trinity diagram was dope! Thanks Pastor Mike!
( 171 ) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. ( 172 ) Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together. 173 ) And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper. ( 174 ) O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light. Surat Annisaa (The Women), Holy Qur'an.
Quran 4:171)Allah knows no trinity in Christianity !! Here Allah proves he is a Trinity !! And Jesus is two thirds of the Allah Trinity !! But Alalh knows no trinity in Christianity !! Alalh believes Christians believe in 3 gods Allah + Jewish HERCULES (because Allah doesn't know that God became man!) + Maria!
I could hear you talking, but all I could see was myself. My wife traveled to Europe for business for 2.5 weeks in August/September and I went completely off the rails. I have only been back on for 3 days now. Carb addiction is real, brother. What I have to constantly remind myself of is that an alcoholic or heroin addict knows that drinking/using just once can cause a relapse and carbs are no different. We will always be recovering carboholics and need to constantly remind ourselves of that fact. Because of my health issues, I KNOW how significantly carbs affect me; still, I want to eat ALL OF THEM. I'm a retired paramedic and know full well and first hand what the detrimental effects of inflammation are. I'm an addict and so are you. Give yourself some grace. I'll be praying for you, my Christian brother! Please pray for me, too. 🙂 I'm more than happy to provide you my cell number if you want an accountability partner aside from Cassie. My wife is my primary just as Cassie is for you, but I know how different it is with having another brother to be accountable to. Love you, brother! I'll also post this response on Facebook for the algorithm. 🙂
I'm a "hebrew roots" individual myself whom sometimes wrestled with father and son scriptures but growing up catholic, The Trinity was always big for me even now. This video was a blessing. thank you. May YaHUaH bless you in Yeshua's name!!
I've been studying on the trinity for a while now and can I just say that there is a genuine need for thorough comprehensive study of the fundamental Bible truths we hold. People rely so much on the Pope, pastors, prophets and others to teach them the Bible, that they are prone to putting the pastor's word above the Lord's. We need to study the Bible ourselves through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have to allow God to speak for Himself. This is what God has opened my eyes to, now I see why sometimes Athiests and Agnostics and people of other faith think Christians are brainwashed, because we rather rely on pastors and church leaders to teach us about God other than having a relationship with God, studying His word, and questioning the doctrines that we are taught. The Lord laid it on my heart to tell you this. To tell anyone that would listen this. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one. It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches) and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it. (notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
( 171 ) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. ( 172 ) Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together. 173 ) And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper. ( 174 ) O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light. Surat Annisaa (The Women), Holy Qur'an.
Might be good to check out what the first Century Christians believed. John was not only the beloved apostle of Jesus but also a close relative. Here is what he wrote: 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. I understand that ANY TIME takes in ALL POSSIBILITIES. Jesus was SEEN. BTW the Trinity was a RCC baby. The Protestants borrowed it when they broke away. Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230 Uh, where does Scripture tell us that the apostle John was related to Jesus? Futhermore, the verses from 1 John pertain to someone seeing God in His full glory (think back to Moses' encounters with God in Exodus). John wrote about Jesus as the God-Man at length, just look at John 1 alone. I hope this helped clarify that passage for you!
@@angelt.5276 : Did John write 'No man has SEEN God in his full glory' or 'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME'? Why twist John's words to make them mean something else. AT ANY TIME will include (if possible) God in his Full, Half, or Zero glory. Even if God changed into a bird, angel or human. HE HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN. Moses was told by God: (Exodus 33:20) But (God) added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.” Did Moses respond: "But Lord. Many have seen you, I included, yet we never blew out of existence!" NO! Because Moses knew that humans can never SEE God and continue to exist. He knew that all the so-called sightings of 'God' were ANGEL ENVOYS from God. Let us take a familiar incident. Exodus 3:2 Then JEHOVAH'S ANGEL appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush. As he kept looking, he saw that the thornbush was on fire, and yet the thornbush was not consumed 4 When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.” 5 Then he said: “Do not come any nearer. Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy ground.” Who is it that Moses records as Jehovah and God speaking? Was it Jehovah himself? The answer is at the start. It was Jehovah's ANGEL. Remember Moses wrote many of those historic incidents. When the President send his Envoy to deliver a warning message to a leader of another country, the Newspapers state 'The President told so-and-so...' However, the ACTUAL WORDS were spoken NOT BY THE PRESIDENT but by HIS ENVOY. These angels were SENT by God. They did not come on missions of their own. That is why their words are said to be those of God's. Jesus too was SENT by God. He did not come on a mission of his own. That is why he constantly said: John 4:34 Jesus said to them: “My food is to do THE WILL OF HIM (ie God) WHO SENT ME and to FINISH HIS WORK. John 14:24 Whoever does not love me does not observe my words. The word that you are hearing IS NOT MINE, but belongs to the Father WHO SENT ME. This may come to mind: John 19:30 When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “IT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit. (Jesus accomplished what God has SENT him to do). About John being the cousin of Jesus: 3. The apostle John, son of Zebedee and, it seems, Salome (compare Mt 27:55, 56; Mr 15:40) and brother of the apostle James-likely James’ younger brother, as James is usually named first where both are mentioned. (Mt 10:2; Mr 1:19, 29; 3:17; 10:35, 41; Lu 6:14; 8:51; 9:28; Ac 1:13) Zebedee married Salome of the house of David, possibly the natural sister of Mary the mother of Jesus. When Jesus was about to die: John 19:26 So when Jesus saw HIS MOTHER and THE DISCIPLE WHOM HE LOVED standing nearby, he said to his mother: “Woman, see! Your son!” 27 Next he said to the disciple: “See! Your mother!” And from that hour on, the disciple took her into his own home. Jesus handed over the care of his mother to John because he was family and believed Jesus. Jesus' half brothers were still not his disciples. Mary's spirituality was Jesus' concern.
@@tongakhan230 The angel of the LORD is the manifestation of God just like Jesus What will you say about Abraham he directly talks to the LORD God in his spirit form is invisible he can only be seen of he manifests hims
When I was born again God revealed to me the He is the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Since it was God that revealed the truth to me I'll take His words for it not man's words. God bless you brother Mike.
Good try ,but its a failure. Trinity is NOT Biblical and it contradict this verse. Its just bloody CONFUSING. Its Bleshemy. 1 Corinthians 14:33 King James Version 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
@@Roy-oc3llsorry mate, but that's not a good argument at all. That verse is usuallyused in the joke "if God isn'tthe author of confusionthen he isn'tthe authorof the bible" but it'sjust flat out a bad argument. The Trinity is not biblical though, but people are good at arguing whatsoever they please. You can find people with actual logic and scripture to back up many opposing beliefs.
Many people all over the world believe whatever their mind feeds them when they pray. It's not surprising you are just another gullible person who believes things based on that same method of evidence. Anyone listening to this video would be way better off believing it because of logic, scripture and it's confirmation by thousands of others to serve as confirmation bias.
Im at a pentecostal oneness church but did not know what they believed about the trinity, baptism and tongues until months later. I was at classical christrian pentecostal church when I met my wife for years until we moved and began to the oneness church and is when i found out my wife was a oneness pentecostal. I had NEVER heard of oneness pentecostal so I was completely taken by surprise and had a crisis of faith that took me into a year study of the core doctrine of the faith after which I held strong to the orthodox christian stance on the trinity, baptism and tongues. This literally almost lead to a divorce. Im still there for now to keep the peace in my home but where I am apparently oneness churches are prevalent. Pastor Winger is correct that we need to do MUCH better in teaching core doctrine. Ironically the oness of god was taught at bible study yesterday and he literally said everywhere you see the word "son" substitute it with the word "flesh". I thought I could reason with them but they are HEAVILY indoctrinated and consider the teachings of the trinity vain philosophy. Thank yoy for touching upon this topic!
Thats not all... Why does Jesus not know about the hour of Judgment? But The Father in heaven only knows... That doesnt sound as coequal to me. Why did Jesus declined to be called Good and attributed Good to The Father in heaven only? Why did Jesus say My God My God why have you forsaken me?
@@axript You always come up with the same verse so it becomes almost boring to talk to you Unitarians (Muslims). Matthew 24:36 (Mark 13:32) is a good example that God is a triune God (three persons and yet one: God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit). When Jesus spoke these words (from Mt 24:36 and Mk 13:32) to the disciples, even he did not know the date and time of his coming. Although Jesus was perfectly God at his incarnation (John 1:1, 14), he voluntarily renounced the exercise of certain divine attributes (Philippians 2: 6-8). He did not show them unless they were in accordance with the will of the Father (Jn 4:34; 5:30; 6:38). He demonstrated his omniscience on several occasions (cf. Jn 2:25; 3:13), but he voluntarily limited it to the things that God let him know during his human existence (Jn 15:15). So it was with regard to the date and time of his return. After his resurrection, Jesus again accepted his complete divine knowledge (cf. Mt 28:18; Acts 1,7) Check these passages and you will understand. God bless you!
@@axript And Jesus did not say that he himself is not GOOD but he confirms that only GOD is good. Among other things, Jesus said: I am the GOOD Shepherd. A good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.(John 10:11) Who is GOOD besides GOD? Nobody. Who is the GOOD Shepherd? Jesus Christ. Who is the only one who is GOOD? God. Who is GOOD? Jesus Christ = GOD in FLESH.
The problem is human failed to understand the word of God. GOD IS ONE BUT WHAT MONO MEAN. ONE WHAT?????. Human only failed in grammar words. Stupid isnt it?
@Mike Winger, thank you for the video. Former Catholic, convert to JW. You are absolutely correct that many individuals that profess Christianity do not have answers for the questions you ask. I'm sure many will find your video useful. Many discussions, if approached in a kind and caring manner, can be positive experiences for all involved. Also, I do agree that it is not proper to "jump around" from verse to verse without really processing the current discussion. Additionally, your role play is an effective technique. No, I won't be going back to the Trinity, it is not taught in the Bible, but I appreciate your approach.
yes I agree but their are certain scriptures about 35 to 55 scriptures that support such a doctrine as the trinity in my studying scriptures I seen 2 types of Scriptures trinity scriptures and non trinity scriptures I use to be a JW I don't agree with JWS about 1914 and bible prophecies I also don't believe in the trinity doctrine
@@infiniteinfinity5479 : Sorry! That comment is comical. 'Jesus is God in this and this scripture. But not in that and that'. That is a fiasco. No one learns the truth and then departs from it in search of another truth. Makes no sense.
@@staceygrove7295 :John 8:31 Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews WHO HAD BELIEVED HIM: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.” The Jews were ALREADY God's dedicated people who 'claimed' to worship the God of their fathers, Jehovah. The TRUTH FREES someone from false beliefs. Once someone is FREED how can he get himself free again? No one can convert TWICE. Makes no sense. It would mean that he used deception in the first 'conversion'. If he could deceive people with the first, what's there to stop him from doing it again.
@@tongakhan230 Once free from the entrapment of false religion you are aware of all the origins of unscriptural teachings, practices, and deception of Satan. And knowing Jehovah as we do...you could leave the truth, but the truth will NEVER leave you. Even if you don't practice it or say anything about it, it is ALWAYS there and you NEVER see the world around you through any other eyes again. Everything you see around you will take you back to it; like it or not.
@@AstariahJW Jesus did explain it, and ask some of the apostles and other writers to pen it down in the (Bible). You must understand, God used other men to author the Bible, however, he makes it very clear that it is his word and that the Bible the whole Bible is inspired by him and is living. I hope that answers your question..
@@KJVAV1611 I'm not debating if God wrote the bible or not I know God inspired with his holy spirit to use men to pen his thoughts But he never inspired them to write that he is a trinity god If it was so important that we know his nature is trinity he would tell us But he doesn't It's not hard to write it An honest, clear statement of the Trinity Doctrine would be: "For there are three persons who compose the only true God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And these three persons are the One God." It isn't a difficult statement for anyone to write, let alone an inspired Bible writer. But you will never see that (or anything close to it) in the inspired scriptures. Bible warns look out for false teachers They come in sheeps clothing but inside they are wolves to disrupt the flock Would God be so cruel to give us eternal life on knowing him john 3:17 and then not be able to attain that gift because hes a mystery god that we can not know?
@@AstariahJW OK I’m confused now, your first statement said why did Jesus and his apostles not explain to us the Trinity. We must take the Bible at Faith. There are things in the Bible that are indeed mystery, God tells us this. He also says that in due time, we will understand these mysteries, but it is not for us to know now. I believe the Trinity is one of those things. We do not have to know every intricate detail only that there is but one God and he has made up of the father, the son and Holy Spirit. We take that upon faith and believe it, if you choose not to then so be it. please quit trading comments with me. It isn’t me that you must be speaking to.
@@KJVAV1611 Jehovah God never said hes a mystery in a strick sense so when wouldn't understand him Christendom still dont understand the trinity after 2000 years so how can it be revealed to us ? The trinity dogma developed in 4th century through creeds It's not what jesus and apostles taught Jesus warned that a falling away from truths would happen after apostles died The great apostasy would unfold
I know this was so long ago, but I am just now watching it. I have GREATLY enjoyed watching you. I have for a long time. I say that to say this: at about 1:05:00 you touch on why to believe. You soooo humbly state that you do, because God's word SAYS TO. I was so blown away. You are obviously a VERY in depth believer, BUT your knowing that Christianity is a foundation of faith in our God, is uncanny. I watch you, because of the wisdom God gives you, to spread. When you got REALLY humble, at around 1:05:00 and said along the lines of how do you know? Because God's word said it! I uncontrollably burst into tears. I do not know why. You are awesome, and given the knowledge, wisdom, and understanding to bring God's glory, to us. God bless you, and may you continue to prosper, in all that you do, to the glory of God!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
This dude knows jesus I have moments when he says something it just like ah it hits my heart and I become filled with joy and actually not in a long time have I listened to someone teach. Non stop for like 3 hrs I been listening to this dude. Super good spirit filled man right here. Brother in the LORd.
As someone from the “other side of the aisle” I don’t find being prejudicially labeled as a cult member being very inviting lol With that being said, as a Unitarian, this was a great breakdown of the Trinity and makes space for a lot of common ground and “agreeing to disagree”. Great video and appreciate what you’re doing on this platform.
A cult isn't as much as a negative in religion as it is in the way you are thinking of. A cult in religion is an offspring of any religion, that claims to be the original, even when it takes away the official "original " doctrine of the said religion. I'm a non-denominational Christian, and I'll agree to disagree with you on religion, but by religious definition, you are a cult member.
@@agentclol That’s an eloquently thought out definition of the word “cult”, but I’m afraid that’s not the one that made it to the dictionary. Assuming all definitions of the English language are objective, the Unitarian sect of Christianity fits under the definition of a cult as much as the Trinitarian sect of Christianity.
Thank you brother!! Great approach and great reasoning. It is so important to know the Bible and be able to refute these questions from those who don't. Have saved the video and will study it in greater depth. God bless you and muliply your work.
Don't study this video, study the bible itself, and don't rely on any other external work to understand this subject. God is NOT a trinity! Read the book of John carefully with pauses.
@@nikkibikkixo I agree. The first chapter is great to show how the trinity theory is wrong. And even more proven with the rest of the chapters. And then, even more so when you look at the whole gospel. But back to John. Who is the God with at Jo. 1:1?
When Jesus ascended to heaven who told him to sit at my right hand until I put your enemy's at your feet ? Why is it so difficult for you to except Jesus is the only begotten son of God and why does God have his own name Yahweh /Jehovah . You are following pagen rubbish.
@@garryellison9438 Thank you brothers. I don't understand why with everything the bible says, even though the bible doesn't consider God, Jesus the Messiah, and the holy spirit as trinity, they keep using that word and doctrine to refer to them?
I wish there was a way to like a video this 100 times! This is such an encouraging and God glorifying message! Thank you for your ministry Pastor Mike!
*** IMPORTANT **** Which is, is not, which is, is not. You talk about confusion . Plain and sample there’s one God and one begotten son of God . That one God ( The Father/Spirit) is inside the son of God ( That man/flesh) reconciling the world into himself . The body of Jesus now takes on the titles of the one God, such as Lord, Christ, God, The Name of The Spirit, which is Jesus and etc. ( Acts 2:36) ( Hebrews 1:4). People watch pastor Gina Jennings, to learn more Truth, we’re leaving in the last days you better make sure. Study the history of where the Trinity came from , it did not come from Bible. The Trinitarian when you tell them to explain the trinity, they just tell you it’s a ministry, and they are right. The Bible speaks about mystery babbling were even the pagan Trinity came from. The Catholic Church with conquering the world spreading Christianity they adopted the holidays and Ash Wednesday lent Friday, the Trinity and etc. from the pagans and all that bundled up trash today is called Christianity which is the children of Catholicism. People quit being lazy and do your research here in the information age we’re not in the Stone Age , ice age we are in the information age you have no excuse. God called us to be Holy not Christianity. If you look at the scriptures were king, Nebuchadnezzar had the dream of the statue. Rome was in power with military, might, at the thighs and legs, which was iron. But at the feet Rome became worldwide dominant not through military, but through religion. if you do studying you’ll find out that’s where Christianity is that’s why there is married Clay and iron mingle together. But if you notice the scripture said that the stone will come from heaven is strike the statue at the legs bringing the statue down that stone is Jesus Christ.. I hope you’re getting this. Christianity is not of the true Jesus Christ of the Bible. Because he’s not going to bring down in destroy his own people. They’re preaching another Jesus that’s what Paul warn the church about that was going to happen. Read ( 2 Corinthians 11:4). Again, please watch Pastor Gino genius to learn more truth.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 he said God is three persons yet can you or him give one scripture where God described himself as three persons? If you can't, then it's clear that the doctrine is a lie and made up by men.
Mike Winger, thank you so much. I have been saved since 1987 and love the Lord with all my being. However, I am dyslexic and have Irlen syndrome, and reading the Bible is a laborious task as is all books. I love audio books and love listening to lectures like RC Sproul etc. I love your presentation, and how you break everything down and make it so understandable. I could literally listen all day! Lots of information and will likely have to listen again and take notes. But wanted to let you know how much I personally appreciate you and your ministry. Blessings!
@@StretchMn either delete or rephrase, in ita current state it only seems negative or insulting to the original poster as if you are denying the fact he is saved or making a joke of it. I would rephrase it to better convey your intention if it was positive. I don't mean any disrespect but your lacks a base for others to understand it
ILove this scripture.John14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
To me the trinity is so far from everything else and that speaks to its truth, because if there was an almighty being why would they be anything like creation. Love the video man!
God is not like creation, in that he is Almighty. The Bible is here for God to tell us how we should view Him. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. (Deuteronomy 6:4) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
I like to use the 🥚 it’s completely an egg, but if you separate it, its an egg shell Its an egg white Its an egg yolk You can, with the Word & maybe help from a friend in Christ, go into more detail - but this is usually a relief to help people understand something that is completely Supernatural in a human way. Lord give us a desire to know You & help us ! In Jesus name anen!
This is a fantastic analogy! I feel like Christian's have a difficult time communicating with non followers because this topic is so difficult for people to understand even for us followers.
This would be a good example, if there were merely three parts (or aspects) to the one God. But, the Trinity teaches three separate PERSONS. That’s why the Roman Church invented the word triUNITAS, because they believed in three distinct PERSONS who worked in UNITY. There is nothing in all of creation that reflects that kind of relationship - except when there are three separate people or animals acting in unison. But, even then, that only makes them one in purpose. There’s no way for the human mind to comprehend three separate, distinct persons being the same thing. Not only does such a notion belie both common sense and nature, but it’s not even something Scripture teaches - hence, why Jews have never believed in a Triunity of Persons. And, it’s THEIR book. About THEIR God. And, THEIR Messiah. I’m afraid an egg doesn’t offer a better understanding of the Catholic Trinity.
I get what you’re saying & it’s true that there’s nothing actually like the Trinity because it’s not a human/earthly concept. It’s a God thing. However, when trying to teach & understand even the smallest notion of what the Trinity is for our human brains, I found that the egg is a good way to show how something can be simultaneously 1 thing and 3 things. The uncracked egg is easily recognizable. Say I crack that egg and separate the (clear) egg white into 1 bowl and the (yellow) egg yolk into a different bowl. And don’t forget the shell in the 3rd bowl! I then have 3 separate but equal parts of 1 object. If people look in my bowls they recognize each part- EGG shell EGG white EGG yolk Not only that, but they each have different purposes! The EGG shell now has many uses but I usually crush mine up and put it in the soil when I plant flowers and herbs; The EGG whites are mixed with sugar and cream of tartar and beat into a meringue; The EGG yolk is used for baking usually or fried! So see, they are all the EGG, but they work apart, as well. I am not a Bible scholar. I am just a Mom & now a MawMaw who loves the Lord. I make every effort to never put forth any thoughts or words that would go against the Lord or His holy word. This egg analogy just makes plain sense to me & in trying to explain the concept of the Trinity. I pray it continues to help people understand how awesome our God is! In Jesus name, Amen 🙏 ❤🇺🇸✝️
I love when he says, at 13:01, "There aren't three gods in one God, that's just a contradiction, that doesn't make a lot of sense...". And a little later "There are three persons in one God". Oh yeah!!! That makes perfect sense! ;)
Human beings cannot comprehend all the mysteries of God, yet that shouldn't stop us from trying to understand Him. When we use words such as "persons" that is our way of trying to explain Him the best we can. It may be imperfect, but that is because we are imperfect.
@@jzak5723 We don't understand all the mysteries of God, but we have to accept this doctrine of the holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church... and that of the author of this video... We have to accept that it doesn’t make sense to be three gods, but it makes sense to have one god who are three people...
David Pinheiro You raise an interesting point. It would be illogical to say God is both 1 and 3 in the same way and sense. That's why it would be incorrect to say that there is only 1 God and 3 Gods at the same time, or only 1 being and 3 beings, or only 1 person and 3 persons. Rather than saying any of those statements, the Trinity states that there are 3 persons and 1 being. Since a being is not the same thing as a person there is no contradiction. I hope this clarifies it for you, and, if not, let me know where you think there is a problem with that definition of the Trinity. Also, Mike Winger in this video made no appeal to the authority of the Catholic Church or to his own authority. You can think he is a crazy person or an unbeliever; that doesn't affect the arguments he made. You actually gave an ad-hominem fallacy rather than an argument. We believe the Trinity, not because it is told to us by some human authority, but because it is clearly taught in the word of God. I hope you ponder what I said and have a wonderful day!
I get the first born thing now reading a book called “misreading scripture with individualist eyes” this happens because of our western minds we think “first born” as a chronological order but in the East when they hear this they hear a title of inheritance, there’s several scriptures that we miss the thing the author is trying to highlight due to our modern western society and understanding trying to understand things that they in the authors time understood without explanation.
@@richarddevoe4707 that’s untrue. The ancient Jews did recognize that God was multi personal, if you don’t believe me look at proverbs 30:4. You would also have to explain why messianic Jews accept the trinity as true. Which btw trinitarians ARE monotheist.
52:22 Answers to the first seven question posed beginning of the video.
1:05:08 Q&A
Thanx man
@@alphonsedenny4962 Is Jesus God since God can never die but Jesus can die as any man can die?
Did Jesus die on the cross as a man and never died on the cross as God at the same time?
@@alphonsedenny4962 Did the Jews plot to have Jesus crucified as proof that Jesus is accursed of God as as a false claimant in Deut 21:22-23 as believed by the Jews?
@@alphonsedenny4962 I have already shown you the reference in Bible that the Jews believe in Deuteronomy 21:22-23 to prove Jesus is accursed of God who is subsequently a false claimant because the Jews believe Jesus was crucified or died on a tree translated as a cross or stake in varied bible translations.
@@alphonsedenny4962 The evidence that the Jews believe Jesus is accursed of God and is therefore a false claimant is the Jews believe Jesus died on the cross as in Bible Deuteronomy 21:22-23 for you to read it as evidence.
It is absolutely mind-blowing that God, (in the Person of Christ) would take the punishment for my sins, and pay the price in full! Hallelujah! What a Savior!
Who did Jesus cry out to when he was dying for your sin ?
Yep.crazy how God could die but it wasn't God but it wad sort of.naked perfect sense 😆
He didn't.What does word (Logos) mean?
Jesus is God. If you don't like that, your argument is with him.
John 8:24 says, for if you believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Hebrews 1:10 Jesus is the Lord whose handwork is HEAVEN and EARTH!!
But FACT is the parallel passage Psalm 102:26-28 says that YHWH is the Lord in Hebrews 1:10!! Thus, JESUS is the YHWH of Psalm 102:26-28
Not everyone asks these questions in a condescending way, some of us ask these questions because we are desperate to learn and understand our faith and to be able to explain the doctrine to others. But when I try to converse with a fellow Christian by asking these questions, I get a condescending response as if I’m just a skeptical agnostic/atheist or something. I wish we could talk about this without condescension..
God is bigger than all of our understanding. Don't try to figure all out for you or others. Some things you just have to believe. Like oxygen, you can't fully understand it but you know you need it to survive.
At least there are plenty of youtubers / sound pastors on youtube who can explain this. I’m sorry that people feel the need to get defensive. What happens is God is so dear to us we feel we need to defend His name and ofcourse He can defend Himself.
It's neoplatonic paganism, yeshua knew nothing of such things!
The messiah's name was always going to be Jesus according to Zechariah Chapter 6... which is the same name as the post exile high priest ,Yeshua!
if the concept of Messiah and God are separate then it doesn't automatically follow that sins can be forgiven.. only God can forgive sins. furthermore if the expectation of Messiah is to reverse the events of Genesis 3 Genesis 6 and Genesis 11 then by Definition messiah has to be more than just a man.
Jesus being born of Mary but not of Joseph is not a problem according to Jewish history because I believe during the reign of Queen Alexandra Jewish law made Heritage pass on, by matrilineal Bases.
A basis for the Trinity can be established in the Old Testament by passages like Amos 4:11Isaiah 48:16.. and Judges chapter 2:1 and Daniel 7:9-14
Support for the idea of God becoming man in Scripture are Deuteronomy 18 verses 15 to 18 Focus of the verse speaks of the coming Messiah coming from lineage of Israel like unto moses.
We also have Exodus chapter 23 verse 20 and 21 the context of which is speaking about the future Endeavor of going over Jordan then we come to Joshua chapter 5 verses 13 to 15 and the context of this passage is having just gone over the Jordan into Israel.
Another proof of this idea perhaps most glaringly Jeremiah chapter 1 verses 4-10... the first thing you want to pay attention to is titles in verse 4 and verse 9... Hashem and the word of the Lord these titles are used interchangeably there's some definite implication there but the point of emphasis here is verse 9 because it goes a little further than just anthropomorphic language.
Now the next concern is did Jesus ever claim to be God? And for this the scriptures I would provide are Matthew 26:64 Jesus directly quotes Daniel 7:13
John 10:34 Jesus claims to be the judge in Psalm 82 referencing verse 6
In John 10 versus Both 11 and 14 Jesus Yeshua says that he is the Good Shepherd and you can cross-reference this with the very first line of Psalm 23.
In Mark chapter 6 starting from verse 45 Jesus walks on the water this is something designated in the Old Testament for something only God (job 9:8) can do this separates Jesus from the other people who did miracles.
Where another claim would be is in the fact that Jesus forgives sins, off the top of my head is Mark chapter 2
now certainly there have always been Messianic claimants but none of them have ever claimed to forgive sins.
Now the question becomes why would Jesus so secretive why didn't he just come out and say that he was the Lord God of Israel?... well one scripture off the top of my head of that I would provide here that might be interesting is this Matthew 16:20 "then he commanded his disciples that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ"... my suggestion to you here, would be that the crucifixion how to take place at a certain place at a certain time and under a specific set of circumstances.
Please Look into all the scriptures I made mention here I hope this helps even one person
Hashem bless everyone of you... in the name of Jesus both son and God of David king of Israel, amen..!
Well I hope you're not talking about me as being condescending, because I really and sincerely want to help people to understand, there is nobody else in the godhead but the spirit of God. The Bible says, in the last days seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. In the year 325 AD the apostles doctrine was changed to the Catholic Trinity doctrine. Jesus even pointed out in Matthew 7:14, because straight is the gate, and narrow is away, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it. Also in verse 22 of that same chapter, Jesus said many will say unto me in that day, lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
ISA 9.6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jesus is the I Am.
Amen to that.!
Amen
John 1
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
@@ValerieJean757 🙂
My favorite scripture for this subject.
What we fail to notice, though, is that His name will be called Everlasting Father.
There is only one Father, and that is God.
“For us, there is one God, the Father.” - I Corinthians 8:6.
How can Jesus be God the Father if He is God the Son? Is He both? Or, are we misunderstanding the mystery of the incarnation?
“Without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh.” - I Timothy 3:16.
There is only one God, the Father. Which is why Paul could write:
“God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.” - II Corinthians 5:19.
God is not reconciling the world to THEMselves (plural), but to HIMself (singular).
There is no plurality of Persons (for indeed, God is not a person). There is only God in Christ.
I just read my comment over again and didn’t really express how grateful I am to you for what you do. Really thank you, your work is absolutely awesome!. Thank you!
These comment sections always remind me to not get my theology from RUclips comments lol
Edit: it was a mostly a joke. Please don’t be upset, thank u
Or RUclips videos, for that matter...
Absolutely
@@alphonsedenny4962
May I request to you to read and understand my COMMENT here that disproves the trinity and the diety of Christ and likewise answers the questions asked here.
God I pray that I’m not just full in my head knowledge, but full in my heart ! God guide me with wisdom and weigh my heart , love and obedience to you lord! In Jesuses name I pray
@@alphonsedenny4962 people who don't understand what caps lock is for, are the subject of the second half of proverbs 13:20, not the first half.
Just found you and as an ex Muslim I cannot thank you enough. I had questions about the Trinity and worshiping Jesus and God answered me personally.
Therefore I did not have the theology behind it just that God answered me.
This is the single most common attack that Muslims direct at ex Muslims accusing us of Shirk or polytheism.
Thank you again.
@@alphonsedenny4962 " This shows that He had NO GLORY during His time on earth." I think there is plenty of evidence that Jesus had glory on earth. Like I said I asked and HE answered me personally. Does this really matter for your salvation? Jesus is the Savior. Believe in Him, Believe in the Father, Believe in the Holy Spirit. John 3:16 sums it up for me. But thank you for your response.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Well he certainly performed a lot of miracles, raised the dead and managed to transform himself 🤫
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Just because Yeshua is the Son of God doesn’t mean he is God Almighty. If you look you will find better answers then these.
Yeshua was highly exalted after his resurrection to the right hand of YHWH.
@@alphonsedenny4962 You make some interesting points. Even as a long time Christian I can see how both views can fit the Scriptures, but both cannot be right. Much prayer and revelation is needed here. Peace.
@@bibiandjoshua God bless you Brother. You are right, we don't need to fully comprehend the nature of God Almighty (in fact, in our limited human condition, that's likely to be impossible) in order to be saved. We simply need the faith of a child and trust in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, the Son of God. Blessings.
You cannot imagine how much this helped me with my faith.
I’ve been searching for the deity of Christ for these few months and struggled a lot to see that in the Scripture.
I didn’t know about the Sharp rule and I started to get more and more confused.
God used this video to show me the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit very clearly.
Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart.
God bless you and all your loved ones!!!
@mikewinger please do a video on binitarianism
When will you people wake up and realize that Christianity is fake?
The Romans hijacked the Bible from the africans, edited it and used it start Christianity.
There is no trinity, no Jesus, etc….its all lies.
@@tomteague4533 the deity of Christ is Godhead. The Godhead is only God Almighty the Father of Lord Jesus Christ.
God is spirit John 4:24kjv.
God is not trinity or oneness that of devil Is Babylonian Egyptian mythology.
So the father is all,but he plays 3 different parts...but ,,,why does Jesus say on the cross..my God my God why has thee forsaken me... or does he??
@@debragarell1367 no that stupid the Father doesn't play all son
Just wanted to say thank you SO much. I’ve been talking to a JW and I would just get lost. I have been studying and trying to learn but other people just go so fast! Your format was really helpful also! I feel better about it and more confident now. Thank you so much
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
yes, he sure has a way of making easy to understand which helps learning take place.
I grew up LDS, and I really appreciate your videos, showing me what it says in the Bible (and the Bible alone). It's difficult at times to sort through truth vs falsehoods that I was taught. I feel like I've totally started over as a baby Christian, and it's taken some time, but I'm OK with that.
@ShetheOvercomer there were always things that didn't sit right with me. One of my dearest friends left, but she was afraid of sharing her reasons. I encouraged her to share with me her research. I was afraid to go to non-LDS sources, but I found the LDS apologists (it was called FAIR back then, but it's BYU Studies now), and they acknowledged many of the problems with Joseph Smith. That gave me great relief. It still took me several years to finally let it go, but it got me started. I had another friend that really encouraged me by showing me truly biblical concepts. It takes a village!
You have eternity ahead of you. So happy for you 💗🌸🎉
I feel you ive been thru the same process i also grew up lds and had to start over recently actually
@@christohees9150
I didnt grow up in LDS but was in it. I am in Utah, any of you?
@@honeyspoonbeewrangler4550 i am from south afrika i was born into the vereeniging branch of the lds church
The level of anger and indignance that I’ve faced when asking questions about Scripture, God, our faith, etc. is disheartening. I gave up asking. I wasn’t ever asking because I didn’t believe it and I wanted to argue against it, I was asking because I was looking for clarity. I believe the Holy Spirit can provide clarity, but I also believe that as beings created by God, He designed us to have relationship with each other and to be iron sharpening iron. But the number one answer I get - even from pastors! - is that there are just some things I have to accept. I just need to accept the fact that I won’t understand everything and I just need to believe it. That’s not me being sharpened. That’s me being dulled. I’ve learned nothing. I didn’t come away from that conversation more confident in my faith. I came away with more question marks than when I came in.
Ok - sure. I agree 100% that there are things about God that I can’t apply earthly logic to. But when there is actual doctrine resulting from something we believe in - like the Trinity - there must be things that have been identified in Scripture to support this doctrine. No Biblical doctrine exists without its contents being identified, categorized and defined. So that means there is something to LEARN here. Which means there IS an answer. Why are we not allowed to learn without feeling like we are blaspheming the Holy Spirit just by asking these things?
That being said, Mr. Winger, I really appreciate your instruction and willingness to lovingly teach us about our God. Thank you for giving us this gift. I refuse to be mindless about my faith. I want to be mindful and that means understanding Scripture. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
You want to know the truth read 1 Cor 15:24-28
@@truechristianity74I read this passage. It sure sounds like Jesus is not God there. Is that what you mean?
@@CaptWuppazz yes
The ones hollering about it usually can't articulate what it means. That's a red flag, if it's not understandable and they can't articulate it, it's not defensible. That doesn't make the belief wrong but the believers are wrong in their application at a minimum.
I think the nicene creed went way too far though. Jesus is the mortal shell of the formless infinite God, the "Angel of the Lord" manipulated history to make his own nation and bloodline for his "avatar". Same I AM by a different aesthetic, a new dispensation promised by older ones.
@@truechristianity74 So tell me, whose feet are all things placed under and who places all things under his feet according to those verses?
I think it's healthy to attack your own doctrine to a certain degree to measure its weight and your ability to defend it. I feel like doing this would help our community discourse as Christians so that we would lean not on our own understanding, but come to an agreement together for accountability.
RIGHT... TRINITY IS NOT THE TEACHING OF JESUS... IT CAME OUT FROM "AGREEMENT" OF CHURCHES CENTURIES AFTER JESUS TIME..
SO... IF YOU STILL WANT TO BE A CHRISTIAN YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH THEM...
BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE THE REAL FOLLOWER OF JESUS.. YOU HAVE TO THROW AWAY THE TRINITY AND START BELIEVE IN ONE GOD.. BECAUSE JESUS DID.
Right
Attack is the wrong word question is the word to use
It would be better if he had a non-trinitarian Christian on, instead of straw-manning the non-trinitarian perspective for over an hour.
@@stellarjayatkins4749 he represented the Arian cult position perfectly. You just don’t like the way he made them look.
Wow, 40 seconds in and apparently I’m in a “cult” “attacking” the Trinity for simply searching for answers and asking those same questions.
@@chuymiranda453 what cult?
Mormon or jw?
Apparently I must be a cult too because I question the trinity too.
Try not to let perceived offences get in the way of your search for Truth. People have every right to speak harshly about ideas. If you are offended by that because you align yourself with those ideas, as hard as it may be, just try remember it’s not meant to be a personal attack on you. We are all guilty of offending others, intentionally or unintentionally.
I just want to know where this idea of a Triune God came from? I can’t find anything about God being three in the Bible…all I’m seeing is “God is one, the Father.” I don’t see anything about “God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit”
Hear o Israel the Lord your God is ONE!
Fun fact, the same word is used to refer to a multitude of people being one, in genesis 11:6
Two becoming one flesh as in genesis 2:24
And as a people answering with one voice exodus 24:3
@@rebelmadesaint3118 The whole Echad argument by Trinitarians fail upon closer scrutiny.
@@NickHawaii oh it doesn’t. Read revelation 22. You’ll find the angel attests that the god of the prophets sent him, and then later Jesus testified that it is him that sent the angel. Meaning Christ claimed the title of God.
“And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”
Revelation 22:6, 16
@@rebelmadesaint3118 Easy. Context. Rev 1:1. Jesus is not the one who received it. Then the angel is not Jesus when he gave it to John..
@@NickHawaii I never said the angel WAS Jesus, I said Jesus sent his angel, and his angel said that he was sent by God, calling Jesus God.
"I would give my life before I compromise on the identity of Christ. It is that big a deal." What a beautiful sentiment and heartfelt commitment. I certainly feel the same way.
And that's exactly what will happen if you belief wrong.
Jo. 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
That verse explains volumes.
It is a prayer from Jesus to his Father calling his Father the only true God.
That means God and Jesus are two separate and distinct individuals, thus no trinity.
@@StretchMn what does this verse mean to you.
Colossians 2:9
For *the entire fullness of God's nature* dwells bodily in Christ,
@@John-st7bf So Jesus prayed to his insides? 🤣
@@StretchMn dude His Father is omnipresent.
@@John-st7bf So God isn't inside Jesus?
I am an orthodox Christian from Ethiopia and we have well elaborated outlook on the Trinity. I apriciate what you are trying to do.
@@T.m513 What on Earth are you talking about?
@user-hl9rs3jh1q Hi, I would love to read the book. What's it called, and is it available to purchase online?
Absolutely from what I heard so far my tablet went dead! Good stuff. I like that you not only push one perspective , but investigate all possible meanings of scripture. That’s awesome. Thanks
The living God, what a joy, what peace, what reality that comes by His call to us, thank you Lord!
I just read the verse "He is the one true God, and I am Jesus Christ whom He has sent."
If Jesus isn't the true God and never called himself that, but we call him God, that means we have two Gods? Maybe we shouldn't follow this? Does it go against the #1 commandment?? Edit: Found some info. Jesus said "Why call me good? Only God is good." So, are some of the gospels just contradicting a lot or are they still true? I read Jewish Christians during the century 1 didn't believe them and they were made from rumours people had a hope Jesus didn't die so the Greeks designed these books. But, I mean... I'm reading this site, the Old Testament says God is our only savior and "No father or son can atone for the sins of another. Each sin is upon each person." That means, Adam didn't give us sin and Jesus couldn't?... "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no salvation."? -Psalm 146:3
Jesus also says "I pray to your God and my God" and "Make my followers one with me just like You and I are one," so it means. . . make us follow You and not abandon Your way. Okay, Jesus already said he's not God and calls us and the prophets before also sons of God.
Edit: Okay, I just read the verse Jesus tells us "Follow the commandments to enter heaven" and the sermon on the mount, the good seed, he gives us instructions in religion. I definitely think we Christians need to follow Jesus more, he says he can do nothing of his own, we should pray to the father. "The father is the only true God." Jesus never calls himself God or a true God and the NT calls him a creation... Hmm, some of these gospels are fishy, this is becoming obvious now they're copying everything word for word from the OT and it comes across incredibly forced, like, they're written so later after Jesus that they're devising a story just to appease fanatics back then. I do think they're the best we have, but I have doubts they're 'inspired' text. It's neat that the Greeks found all these clever prophecy ideas like atonement in a random verse but it doesn't appear accurate to the real old testament law. I'm checking out sects of Islam too, maybe there really are better religious perspectives out there.
@@isleohagger5455i honestly think that a plain reading of (the hundreds of) propheies are easily fulfilled in Jesus. maybe if it was one or two you could say its chance or contrivance, but eventually it becomes unreasonable to believe someone would have orchestrated all the events (except God himself.)
Ok, just saying...I will refer people to your talk b/c you explain this so thoroughly and succinctly than I could ever even dream to do.
its far from being airtight though there are tons fo problems with it. if you only watch one side of it how do you know its right
BASIC SCRIPTURAL TRUTH TO HELP HONEST-HEARTED ONES SEE PAST THE MATRIX OF THIS LYING WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN
THE UNIVERSAL FAMILY COMPRISES OF ALL INTELLIGENT BEINGS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD:
2 CORINTHIANS 4:4
GOD’S FIRST CREATION IS MENTIONED IN PROVERBS 8:22-36 WHICH REVEALS WHAT IS TAUGHT IN COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 THIS IS CONFIRMED IN THE WORDING OF JOHN 3:16 WHERE THE TERM “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” IS USED TO DESCRIBE THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS DIRECTLY CREATED BY GOD AS ATTESTED TO IN REVELATION 3:14
AFTER JEHOVAH GOD CREATED HIS FIRST SON THE REST OF THAT WOULD BE CREATED CAME INTO EXISTENCE BY MEANS OF JEHOVAH GOD BEING THE GREAT ARCHITECT AND HIS FIRST CREATION BECOMING THE MASTER BUILDER AS EXPLAINED IN JOHN 5:19
AFTER THE DIRECT CREATION OF THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” CREATED BY GOD TOGETHER THEY PRODUCED BROTHERS FOR THE FIRST SON TO HAVE AS STATED IN COLOSSIANS 1:16
THUS CAUSING JEHOVAH GOD TO BECOME THE FATHER TO A GREAT MULTITUDE OF SONS BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE JOB 38:7
ALL THE SONS OF GOD ARE LITERALLY CREATED IN THE SAME NATURAL SPIRITUAL ESSENCE OF GOD’S IMAGE: HEBREWS 1:7; HEBREWS 12:29
WHEN THE CONTEXT OF CREATION IS KEPT IN PLACE WE CAN SEE WITH OUR MIND’S EYE WHO IT WAS THAT THE CREATOR JEHOVAH GOD WAS TALKING TO IN GENESIS 1:26 AS EXPLAINED IN JOHN 1:3,4
IT IS BECAUSE GOD’S FIRST CREATION TOOK ON FLESH THAT HE WOULD ALSO BECOME BROTHERS WITH: JOHN 1:12
THE FACT THAT JESUS CAN AND DOES HAVE BROTHERS IS WHAT PROVES THAT JESUS IS ALSO A CREATION OF GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATION AS JESUS SELF PROCLAIMS: REVELATION 3:14
BECAUSE THE HUMAN SECTOR OF THE UNIVERSAL FAMILY WAS STEERED INTO TAKING A WRONG TURN THE FATHER OF ALL INTELLIGENT CREATION BEING A JUST GOD TOOK ACTION TO MELT OUT JUSTICE
BEING THAT ONE OF HIS SONS TURNED INTO A TRADER AND TOOK TO MISLEADING OTHERS JEHOVAH GOD AGAIN DELEGATED TO HIS FIRSTBORN SON:
1 JOHN 3:8
AS SET PERFECT JUSTICE: DEUTERONOMY 19:21 CALLS FOR AN EXACT EQUAL VALUE:
1 CORINTHIANS 15:45
THEREFORE SINCE IT IS THE WICKED ANGELIC SONS OF GOD THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSING HARM TO THE HUMAN FAMILY JUSTICE MERITS THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HUMANS BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN THE TABLE: 1 CORINTHIANS 6:3
BECAUSE THE SON OF GOD WHO IS ALSO THE CHEIF AGENT OF LIFE WAS SENT TO EARTH TO BECOME A HUMAN - HE TOO EXPERIENCED DEATH BY MEANS OF THE ONE WHO CAUSED DEATH TO ENTER INTO THE WORLD: GENESIS 3:15; HEBREWS 2:9,10
JEHOVAH GOD BEING THE CREATOR/FATHER OF ALL INTELLIGENT CREATURES THAT WERE CREATED IN HIS IMAGE IS SEEING TO IT THAT JUSTICE WILL BE CARRIED OUT BY MEANS OF: EPHESIANS 1:10
THEREFORE JESUS AND THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF HIS BROTHERS WILL GO TO HEAVEN TO MAKE UP THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM/GOVERNMENT THAT WILL BRING ABOUT JUSTICE FOR ALL: REVELATION 14:3
WILL RESTORE THE PERFECT CONDITIONS ON EARTH THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE FIRST HUMAN BEINGS: ROMANS 8:19
JESUS SUFFERED DEATH WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE CREATOR COULD NEVER EXPERIENCE THIS IS WHY JESUS CAN HAVE BROTHERS: HEBREWS 2:11,14
THE AUTHORITY OF
JESUS BROTHERS: REVELATION 5:10; 2:26,27
AT THE COMPLETION OF JESUS MISSION:
1 CORINTHIANS 15:24-28
THE TEACHINGS OF THE TRINITY DIMINISH THE FATHER AND THE SON BY EQUATING ALMIGHTY GODSHIP TO THE SON WHICH EXCLUSIVELY BELONGS TO THE FATHER AS THE ONLY UNCREATED BEING: 1 JOHN 2:22
This providentially popped up in my RUclips feed, and it's so awesome to be reminded that God has my life covered so completely! I did a horribly miserable job attempting to share the triune nature of God with one of my sons four days ago - and, of course, I'm mom...irritating white noise. So I've shared it with him. ❤️
Thank you so much for such a thorough covering of the Trinity. God certainly is using you mightily, and I'm incredibly grateful to have you as a resource, a gracious and adorably funny resource too. I love your cheesy sense of humor! 😁 💜✝️💜
@@findtruth5329 Amen. People are lead astray by vain philosophy when they're warned over and over again that there will be deception.
To the lady who posted the original comment: Please, read how Jesus defined eternal life in John 17:3. Do you believe what He said there? Is your God Jesus Christ's God?
The Bible exposes false teaching - do not be deceived by those that contradict what the scriptures clearly say.
Note what Jesus said to Mary Magdalene when he revealed who he was as she didn't immediately recognise him:
'Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” - John 20:17
How can Jesus be God as he directly and truthfully states that he was yet to ascend to his God and Father? (remember, that at this stage Jesus was no longer in his original human form - he had been resurrected as a spirit being and was able to materialize human form, which angels have done on occasion eg. to help Lot escape cities before their destruction)
Note how John concludes chapter 20 in verse 31 >
'But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.'
Also, even in heaven, Jesus sits at God's right hand - the apostle Stephen was the first to bear witness that he had seen Jesus in heaven and standing at the right hand of God, as prophesied at Ps 110:1. The right hand was considered to be of great importance symbolically. To be on the right hand of a ruler was to have the second most important position, next to the ruler himself. - Acts 7:55, 56
'Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that, the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us' - Romans 8:34
'He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.' - 1 Peter 3:22
The apostle Paul wrote at 1 Corinthians 11:3 >
'But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.'
(written some 20 years after Jesus ascended into heaven)
Jesus' disciples were clear as to the identity of Jesus - when questioned, Simon Peter answered:
“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did." - Matthew 16:16, 17
The scriptures are clear - Jesus knew who he was; Jesus' disciples knew who he was .. the Son of God and Jesus' Father is the Almighty God to whom Jesus prayed and directed his worship.
'Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you, .." - John 17:1
"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." - John 17:3-5
Nowhere does the bible say that Jesus is God or equal to God.
'He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;' - Colossians 1:15
'[Jesus] who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God.' - Philippians 2:6
"I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am." - John 14:28
At Jesus' baptism, Jehovah approves his Son ..
'After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” - Matthew 3:16, 17
Believe what the Bible says .. not false teachers who deceive such as Mike Winger.
@@Tony07UK What an extraordinary and well put together answer. I agree 100%. Jesus is the Son of God, not a part of an unbliblical trinitarian god.
@@Tony07UK You're either a Mormon or a JV - both heretical cults. Hopefully your spirit opens to the Holy Spirit's leading and the truth about Christ before you face eternity.
@@jb_1971 You must also either a Mormon or a JV..
Yahweh is my God - not your false one, and He is triune in nature - per scripture. If you don't believe that, it's because you're cherry-picking scriptures to support your wrong belief. True believing Christians accept God's word in its entirety.
Brother, I’m so glad I ran across you on RUclips. I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and they’ve been SUPER helpful!! Especially the videos on the theological types.
@@aejones77 The 3 persons in one God still don't make sense to many people. I have faith in it but cannot explain it, because they think 3 persons make them seperate minds with seperate ways, therefore God is not one mind. Is there something it can be compared to? Not specifically a living, but like anything. Not comparing God to anything, of course not, but for understanding. I heard someone say it's like the left and right hand. United but seperate, but something that can have it make more sense in multiple ways to someone without faith.
Which scripture did he quote that told you God is three persons?
Mark 14 : 60 - 63
Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, "Are you not going to answer?
What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?"
But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked Him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?"
"I AM," said Jesus.
"And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
The high priest tore his clothes. "Why do we need any more witnesses?" he asked.
In that text he was claiming to be the Son of God, not God, Son of the Blessed One.
ctglenn1 no he was claiming to be the Messiah the “Son of Man”. This phrase has specific meaning and relevance to the priests he was addressing
@@ctglenn1 Nope! CHRIST JESUS clearly declared to The ALMIGHTY GOD of Israel in Mark 14:62. Saying "Sitting at the right hand of Mighty One" is a metaphor for omnipotence or all powerful and every Jew knows The LIVING GOD of Israel come and go in the clouds of Heaven as HE appeared in the past.
PrintOfLife I’m not sure why you’re saying “nope”, because whether you believe that Jesus is God or not the contexts of this particular verse is referencing to him being Christ and the Son of God. Just look at the question number 61 and then Jesus’ answer in 62. “Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power...” He’s answering, “yes” to being the Son of God and Christ, this is why he’s referred to himself as the son of man. Also this position is given it to Jesus by God Almighty who has exalted his son to sit at his right hand and be Lord of heaven and earth.
@@ctglenn1 false. He was put to death for blasphemy. The only two forms of blasphemy in Scripture are “claiming to be God” and “claiming to forgive sins” of which Jesus did.
He claimed to be God.
Man I needed this. I believe in the Trinity but I find it hard to defend and explain. I haven’t worried about trying to defend I just believe, which is not a good foundations. When I try to think about it, my mind completely goes berserk
God is not a trinity
Watch the God series
on the God culture
on RUclips videos
The videos will explain to you about God's name and his sons name
God's true name is
YAHUAH
His sons name is Yahushua
May Yahuah bless you
One God but 3 divine person or trinity...in a simple short explanation...if you look at the fire it is only one but in different volume
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pauls7286 John 10:30 I and my father are one. What you are not understanding is that it’s 3 in 1 the father the son and the Holy Spirit
@@abcd_EFGHIJKLM I and the Father. No mention of Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the presence of both Father and Son. It's how we are reconciled to the Father. The Father is in the Son, the Son is in the Believer and the Believer in the Son.
Here is something I read: " The trinity teaches that God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind. *Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to offer himself. *Then God impregnated a woman as himself as himself. *God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly. *God strengthened himself and talked to himself. *Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself. *While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself. *Then he sat at his own right hand and waited until he placed his enemies as a footstool. *Finally with Satan's forces defeated, God would turn his kingdom over to himself...that all things would become everything to himself."
Yeah, I don’t believe it makes much sense for them to be one in the sense that they are the same. They’re only one in the way that they are related and united.
The concept of the trinity is kinda ridiculous when you think about it.
That about sums it up!
NIMROD the Narcissistic Opposer of JEHOVAH , Is the father of the TRINITY Deities ? ? ? What has Light to do with darkness ? ? ?
@@lwmaynard5180
Nimrod's and every pagan religion's trinity: Nimrod (sun father god), Semirramis (moon mother goddess), Tamuz (sun son god).
Catholicism (paganized "christinaity"): God the Father, virgin "Mary" queen of heaven and mother of child god, Jesus Christ the Son.
God: God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son, God's Holy Spirit from God.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
It’s not that they’re attacking the Trinity. It simply doesn’t make sense. God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and not a person/man (Numbers 23:19/Hosea 11:9).
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
For Numbers 23:19
In each case God is distinguishing himself against sinful humanity. The point is that it is his actions which are different from a man's.
At the same time, Jesus himself said "God is Spirit" (John 4:24). The Bible consistently affirms there is a difference between the Creator and the created (the Creator-creature distinction). Jesus is on the 'Creator' side of that divide (John 1:3). The wonder of the incarnation is not that God is just the same as us, but rather the perfect and holy Son of God became one of us.
The Bible teaches that, There is One God that Exists in 3 persons:
The Father(Galatians 1:1)
The Son(Hebrews 1:8)
The Holy Spirit(Acts 5:3-4)
❤️✝️🕊️
You're correct JD. The trinity is both pagan and false.
@@StretchMn
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Bible teaches that there is One God that exists in three Persons:
Father,(Galatians 1:1)
Son,(Hebrews 1:8)
and the Holy Spirit(Acts 5:3-4)
❤️
@@BrJD-ii4iv Completely irrelevant tp anything said in the video. The human incarnation of jesus isnt the same thing as the "son of god" in the trinity sense.
People ...before judging something at least try to listen what the other person says...
Thank you, thank you!! 😊 Yes someone was hitting me with all of these questions, and I was trying to stand my ground but wasn't truly prepared! This video is so awesome and I even sent it to that person. He is a Muslim and was really trying to make his point! I appreciate you for sharing! 🙏🏽🤗🌅
The video was a twisting of the scriptures and very dishonest.
Get real, but you won't. Not much you can do when you have three 100% gods and call them one god. No reason to go to scripture when you already showed you are not honest with your reasoning. Just admit you like believing things that make no sense and that you DO have three gods but you are NOT honest and won't admit that.
@@2fast2block Loud and wrong!!
@@pazyamor1313 "Loud and wrong!!"
Followed by your evidence of.....(blank). You make a good trinitarian, dishonest and illogical.
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We see God through Jesus through characteristics
You are not wrong as all characteristics testify of the truth that is the word born of truth, God our Father. Amen brother. Only the truth can reveal such things to men. Peace and blessings be upon you.
@@777logos2 burn truth of prophecy
@@shamarjames5684 yes, and so much more. The revelation of the living truth that reveals all things. Amen
@Maclin Kastex the entire Bible talks of ONE God, seminary school and catholic church come up with 3 gods. Anybody can prove it's one God using the Bible verses esp The Gospel of John.
@Maclin Kastex : John was the last of the apostles to die. Shortly before his death, he wrote a simple, clear and scientific statement:
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20
In addition to being an apostle of Jesus, John was a close relative and would have grown up with Jesus. He certainly had SEEN Jesus as had others.
Just some help.
John 17 : 21 "...... Holy Father, keep them in your Name, which you gave to me, that they may be one, as we are one."
Tell me, what does John 17:1 have to do with God's being a trinity? Didn't you bother to read verse 3 where Jesus called his Father--not a trinity--the "only true God"? The word "only" means "to the exclusion of others." Since the Father is God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Answer: *NONE!*
@@cbooth151
You're explanation is the truth of Jesus, cbooth151.
@@bobbyways2431 Thanks.I also told the truth about the trinity, which is a lie.
@@cbooth151
Jesus have God. (John 20:17)
Trinitarians deny that fact.
They're proud being opposers of Jesus.
@@cbooth151 yes, God is One. Look up the meaning of Yahovah. self -existant One!!
Bro. Mike, ( @57:26 ) this is why I love you - you are truly seeking and finding and you are a good teacher. Bless you, brother.
you know, when you can look at a person and see...see who lives in them, see who guides them, see who they truly love.
Heaven is seeing God in everyone around us. I understand better now the same idea in "the Kingdom is at hand". Jesus was telling us that there is a time coming when we will see God in everyone around us. But it first started with everyone who would see God in Jesus. When we see Jesus for Who He IS, He can be seen in us. Then, just as "the Father knows the Son and the Son knows the Father" and how they and the Holy Spirit know us, we seek to know them and the Spirit helps us.
I'll see you around. I love you. and I love y'all, too!
Yay you remembered my married name!! :D Lol this stream was so helpful. My husband and I witness to JWs and Mormons in our home and those "7 questions" come up A LOT. I pray for your family and your ministry often and will continue to. Can't say 'thank you' enough!
All Men Must Repent and Believe in Jesus Christ: “I say unto you that ye must repent and be born again; for the Spirit saith if ye are not born again ye cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore come and be baptized unto repentance that ye may be washed from your sins, that ye may have faith on the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world, who is mighty to save and to cleanse from all unrighteousness.”
“Come unto Christ and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.”
“He denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.”
“He is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world, if it so be that they repent and come unto him.”
“Whoso repenteth not must perish.”
“He commandeth all men that they must repent and be baptized in his name, having perfect faith in the Holy One of Israel, or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God.
“And if they will not repent and believe in his name, and be baptized in his name, and endure to the end, they must be damned; for the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, has spoken it.”
“The Lord covenanteth with none save it be with them that repent and believe in his Son, who is the Holy One of Israel.”
“I beseech of you in words of soberness that ye would repent and come with full purpose of heart, and cleave unto God as he cleaveth unto you. And while his arm of mercy is extended towards you in the light of the day, harden not your hearts.”
“O then, my beloved brethren, repent ye, and enter in at the strait gate and continue in the way which is narrow until ye shall obtain eternal life.”
“And again, believe that ye must repent of your sins and forsake them, and humble yourselves before God; and ask in sincerity of heart that he would forgive you; and now, if you believe all these things see that ye do them.”
Those who love these words may be surprised to learn the name of the book in which they are written.
THE FACT THAT THE EXALTED CHRIST HAS A GOD IN HEAVEN INDICATES THAT HE IS NOT IQUAL TO THE FATHER AS THE ALMIGHTY. APOCALYPSE 3: 12
1) Everyone who has a God is because that God is more powerful than themselves.
2) Everyone who has a God is because is worshiping that God.
How is Christ going to be the only God and will have a God to worship? John 20:17 (note that here he is in the flesh as a limited human but in the following text he is already in heavenly glory )
In Revelation 3: 12, Christ says the name God four times, there is no text in the Bible to remember the word God appears 4 times in the same verse. Notice also that Revelation 3: 12 tells us that he receives a new name. What new name can Almighty God receive? What can be new for God ? We are going to receive a new name as Christ also Revelation 2: 17.
The Father is the God of Christ, but the Father has no God, so He has no superior, the Father is the only Highest God.
The only way the Father is the God of Christ in heaven is if Christ is inferior to the Father and is different from the Father.
The doctrine of oneness is as complicated as the doctrine of Trinity.
Jesus the man was praying to the father that was in him as we pray to the Father which is in US. the fullness of the godhead was in him bodily. Jesus was asked show us the father Jesus said I have been with you so long and you don't know me. the holy spirit is the spirit of God just different names for the same being. in the Bible there is Spirit and there is flesh two different entities. when we pray to Jesus we are praying to God because there is a scripture that said he is the image of the invisible God. when you get to heaven you will only see Jesus the image of the invisible God because God is a spirit that is everywhere at the same time. think about it if a spirit that is everywhere in the universe at the same time were to make himself visible like a solid cloud we would not be able to see anything.
Pastor Rodriguez this video was for you
God isn't a trinity, he's 1 being called Yehovah, like the entire Tanakh says. Yehoshua ("Jesus") is his son. The holy spirit is Yehovah's spirit (life, mind, will, power). Yehoshua isn't role-playing. He was truly begotten into Mary's womb by the spirit of Yehovah. This is why is the son of God.
Yehovah = God
Yehoshua = Son of God
Holy Spirit = Spirit of Yehovah
I am glad you have the Bible verses on the screen, this helps so much! Thank you.
Jesus wasn’t Trinitarian.
If you believe in the trinity and the diety of Christ, may I request to you to read my COMMENT here that disproves the trinity and the diety of Christ.
@@leapedrosa4475 I don’t believe in the trinity doctrine. No such description or definition of God as being three persons in one God exists in scripture. Only in post biblical creeds.
@@NickHawaii okay, justify this. Why would God, after hearing everyone at the counsel beg for his guidance and understanding, not give it, but instead knowingly allow satan to lead astray the entire church? As a nurse, I would be held as negligent if I ignored major requests for help from my charges. Are you holding God to a lesser standard?
Or are you asserting that God was somehow overpowered by satan at these counsels? Either way, to say that God didn't guide these counsels is extremely unflattering.
@@marvalice3455 Thanks for your expressions and question. That first-century meeting of the apostles and elders at Jerusalem had Jehovah God’s approval, for its decisions had his blessing, and it furthered the Kingdom-preaching work that brought many Gentiles into the Christian congregation. However, the facts of history give clear evidence that the church councils of Christendom have never been approved by God.
Later general councils were frequently overshadowed by imperial church politics.
Charges of heresy proved to be a ruthless scheme to eliminate opponents who dared to defy Christendom’s church councils. Any who expressed differing opinions or even attempted to present Scriptural proof refuting the dogmas and canons, church laws, of the councils were branded as heretics.
The determination to stamp out opposition led to dreadful atrocities. Most of those pronounced guilty of heresy against the popular dogma of the council were burned at the stake, suffering the agony of a slow death as a public spectacle, supposedly in the name of Christ!
So it isn't unflattering it us true. Their appeal to Jehovah was just as false as The pharisees in Jesus day. Two easy levels of proof.
1. The prophecy of the wheat and weeds. The weeds take over and the wheat is mixed in but hidden to a degree by weeds or Jesus would not have said don’t pull the weeds as you will pull wheat. The believers have always existed but mixed with weeds.
2. The councils followed men. The easiest example is the 381AD council that Theodosius called. He removed bishops, appointed bishops, which he had no authority to do, and TOLD the council what to teach. The trinity, and to destroy all writings against it and persecute anyone who claims it is false.
History totally supports this. Fulfills Jesus words.
Bro this is awesome, thank you for helping me, I’m about to enter college and I want to prepare myself, your channel and understanding of the Word has been a like rock sharpening my sword.
Filly Fill the best way to handle the Trinity is to never, ever try to understand it. As soon as you apply basic logic (which we assume we derive from God), it all falls to pieces. If you don't want your faith shattered, you'd best abandon it on your own terms first.
If your sword needs sharpening by a rock, youre wielding the wrong weapon. Smh.
Ronnie Mann haven’t you ever heard of a whetstone?
Filly Fill Don’t ever listen to the haters. I hope college is treating you well , but I’ve gone to college and I’m sure 90% of people are like the ones in your comment section. You know, ignorant and don’t like trying to think for themselves. ;)) Never let go of God, no matter what hurtful things people say. Cut off the members. It’s better to cut them off then go to hell with them.
You are certainly in my prayers! I pray your faith is only strengthened as it is challenged in your various classes!
I’m watching this 5 years later, my husband and I was at lunch today, and we were discussing the Trinity. He didn’t fully understand it and I felt so bad that I couldn’t clearly explain it. So I am glad I found this video!! Thank you for all the work you do!!
Why would God give us something so confusing and not be explain in scripture?
@@lbracknell24 dont expect it to be super ez to get, it can be simplified just like anything else but its a bad thing to say "to confusing" when talking about THE ALMIGHTY GOD not everything is easy (Be WISE AS SERPENTS) not (Stupid as doves) if you catch my drift
@Babybluemarine29 it is too confusing. 3 never equals 1. There is zero rational given for it. No parables. No proverbs. No law. Nothing. The Jews see it. The Muslims see it. But Christians cant figure out the devils best heresy. Even when the other two attempt to teach the grafted in gentiles, we reject and hold fast to old pagan ways. Trinity, sabbath, holidays....all Christian made in defiance of God. And yes, I'm the biggest offender knowing it's offensive and still keep with the traditions of man
Did the apostles teach trinity?then how come they fail to mention God the Holy spirit in the beginning of all their epistles?.if the trinity was true the apostles would gave glory to God the father son holy spirit
@alvinford6522 Matthew 28:19
God said through Torah and many times in Isaiah “there is no God but me” and this can never fail. The Father is one but presents Himself as Father Son and to us with His Spirit. Yeshua is the same God of the Tanakh and the Holy Spirit is the same Spirit that Yeshua is sitting at the right hand of.
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of CHRIST JESUS (John 20:22). HE was The Lord GOD who breathed to Adam and Adam become a living soul in Genesis 2:7. The same GOD gave the Law to Moses saying "You must not have any other god but me." in Exodus 20:3.
There are three.
@@reflectionsinthebible3579 Three what?
Really? What verse?
Joe Ventilacion be more specific.
I think we may be wrong, cause our limited minds can't understand what is of God, he is unimaginable, undescribable, amazing being, that's why he is God,
So we can know all about him once we become like him in the spiritual realm. And remember one thing he is beyond all even our minds ❤️
@@noself7889 he is God
Not to be nitpicky but please capitalize things reffering to God, such as He, His, Him, etc. And also when He is talking in first person and you quote it, capitalize Me, I, etc. If you are talking directly to him on text, capitalize Your, Yours, You, etc. And other things too. Just be sure to capitalize things like this out of respect for God.
@@catcerson 😐 i respect him, whether I show it in my English knowledge or not. 👍
Bam! The Holy Spirit dropped the mic 2000 years ago! 😁 In BOTH Testaments:
[16] Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Isaiah 48:16
[7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:7
@Jeremy Hinken
Amen.
In this passage about witnessing, ONE means in agreement.
To keep reading 1 John 5-9
We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
Not given about a part of himself.
@@daveyofyeshua
Read Isaiah 48:16! The sent one is God (Jesus), and another distinct person that is also Lord God in *"that same verse"* is the sender (Father)!
@@daveyofyeshua It is the THREEFOLD witness in context yes, but you need to stretch the natural meaning to force it to mean that ONLY. What does the very next verse say? These three AGREE in one. If God didn't mean what He said, why didn't He just say what he meant? I'll study this out after I get home from work, but:
[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 1:19-20
There are threes-in-one EVERYWHERE, (why ignore reality?):
man: body, soul, spirit
atoms: proton, electron, neutron
terrestrial: land, sea, air
astronomical: sun, moon, stars
spatial dimensions: length, height, width
The list is endless. I already posted the old testament references: I'll copy it over later and then post all the new testament references.
@@daveyofyeshua Copied it:
The Trinity is actually an Old Testament doctrine. The Angel of the Lord is mentioned in Genesis chapters 16, 21, 22 and 31; Exodus 3 and 14; Numbers 22; Judges 2, 5, 6 and 13; 2 Samuel 24; 1 Chronicles 21; 1 Kings 19; 2 Kings 1 and 19; 2 Chronicles 32; Isaiah 37; Zechariah 1, 3 and 12; Psalms 34 and 35.
Genesis 16, 22, and 31; Exodus 3 and 14; Numbers 22; Judges 2, 6 and 13; Zechariah 3 and 12 all clearly show the Angel of the Lord is a divine figure.
Genesis 22, Numbers 22 and Zechariah 3 show that the Angel of the Lord is distinct from another being that is also God.
In Genesis 16:9-14, the Angel of the Lord says HE will multiply Hagar's descendents: [13] And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
Genesis 16:13
In Genesis 22:10-12, the Angel of the Lord calls to Abraham from the heavens, and in verse 12, he says you have not withheld your son from ME.
Same thing in Exodus 3:2-6, the Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses from the burning bush, but in verse 4, God addresses Moses from the bush. It is corroborated by verse 16 as well.
Jesus used I AM from Exodus 3 in John 8:58, if Jesus was only saying that he exists, or some other private interpretation, why were the Jews prepared to stone him for blasphemy? This argument is incoherent.
There is also the Spirit of God in the Old Testament. 1 Samuel 10:10, Exodus 31:3, Numbers 24:2, Judges 3:10 and 1 Samuel 19:20 all corroborate Acts 2:17. This also corroborates the words of Jesus in John 14:17 and the words of Paul in Romans 8:9. The Holy Spirit is mentioned by name in Psalm 51:11 and Isaiah 63:10 and is interchangeable with the Spirit of God.
2 Samuel 23:2-3 clearly shows that when the Spirit of God speaks, God speaks. Job 33:4 states the Spirit of God made me and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Isaiah 48:16 clearly shows the Trinity:
[16] Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
The Hebrew word for one, echadh, in the Shema is not limited to just literally a single person, it is also used to describe one bunch of grapes, one family, etc., especially because Elohim is plural. It is quite different from yachid, "only one".
God's Truth will always shine through. Jesus Christ is God and the ONLY way to eternal life.
1:14:16 "23-19! WE GOT A 23-19 ON THE SCARE FLOOR!!!" _[hits alarm buzzer]_
Sorry, I couldn't resist the Monsters Inc. reference
Thank you so much for this, sir! All Christians should take note of your arguments. :)
How do we know if a prayer is answered by God or if what we prayed for happened naturally?
@@Tessinentdecken
Some guy on you tube will give the answer you choose .
Then hopefully Mike winger will make a video about how anyone with an answer you didn't want is a heretic
@@brianhanrahan7561 so you don’t know the answer to my question.
@@Tessinentdecken
I am.sure that if you prayed for something un-natural your answer would be disappointing.
@@brianhanrahan7561 what sort of things do you pray for?
I found this channel just yesterday, been consuming your content like crrrraaaaazzzziiieeeee since.. It's amazing...
You shouldn't be...
This is what's up!
Yes. I binge listened to Mike when I discovered him. The OT stuff is especially interesting and enjoyable.
@@arceneaux66 Mike is an ignorant liar!
He’s good in a lot of spots. Saying baptism isn’t necessary to salvation however. That’s a lie
Unbelievably so thankful for you Mike! Being a college student in Christian ministry is so hard because people have longer to develop misconstrued and out-of-context information that can stump Christians in a second if we aren't educated! Gonna try to get this video out to everyone I know! Also can we just talk about...JESUS LITERALLY BEING GOD AND LEVELING WITH MAN. Insane, incomprehensible, and a testimony to sustain us till the end of life!
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Which is, is not, which is, is not.
You talk about confusion .
Plain and sample there’s one God and one begotten son of God .
That one God ( The Father/Spirit) is inside the son of God ( That man/flesh) reconciling the world into himself .
The body of Jesus now takes on the titles of the one God, such as Lord, Christ, God, The Name of The Spirit, which is Jesus and etc. ( Acts 2:36) ( Hebrews 1:4).
People watch pastor Gina Jennings, to learn more Truth, we’re leaving in the last days you better make sure.
Study the history of where the Trinity came from , it did not come from Bible. The Trinitarian when you tell them to explain the trinity, they just tell you it’s a ministry, and they are right. The Bible speaks about mystery babbling were even the pagan Trinity came from. The Catholic Church with conquering the world spreading Christianity they adopted the holidays and Ash Wednesday lent Friday, the Trinity and etc. from the pagans and all that bundled up trash today is called Christianity which is the children of Catholicism. People quit being lazy and do your research here in the information age we’re not in the Stone Age , ice age we are in the information age you have no excuse.
God called us to be Holy not Christianity. If you look at the scriptures were king, Nebuchadnezzar had the dream of the statue. Rome was in power with military, might, at the thighs and legs, which was iron. But at the feet Rome became worldwide dominant not through military, but through religion. if you do studying you’ll find out that’s where Christianity is that’s why there is married Clay and iron mingle together. But if you notice the scripture said that the stone will come from heaven is strike the statue at the legs bringing the statue down that stone is Jesus Christ.. I hope you’re getting this. Christianity is not of the true Jesus Christ of the Bible. Because he’s not going to bring down in destroy his own people. They’re preaching another Jesus that’s what Paul warn the church about that was going to happen. Read ( 2 Corinthians 11:4). Again, please watch Pastor Gino genius to learn more truth.
Ephesus is a heretical council. Nestorius was a better theologian than Cyril, and the better man.
This is a very interesting subject, and I appreciate your time for explaining this, but unfortunately all your answers do not answer the question. On John 1.1 you very correctly stated that in the beginning there was the word. What about before the beginning? The Bible say that God has no beginning or ending. Jesus stated that he is the beginning and the end. I believe that the Bible speaks only about the beginning of our universe that we know and maybe only from the Big Bang when God created light. What about before? When God created Lucifer and all the heavenly creatures? I truly believe that He created everything before the Bible stories and also I believe that Jesus is as He claims all over the Bible that He is the Son.
John 10:10-11
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, God died for us.
Isaiah 44:24
Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.”
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John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 14:25-26
“These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Corinthians 3:17-18
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
John 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
Clear evidence of the Trinity
@@danielmoraru5824 No Jesus did not state he is the beginning and the end.
Being brought up in the JW cult “never baptized changed my mind when they couldn’t answer my questions” I am so thankful to fully understand the Trinity.
There is no trinity.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
_That is what the Bible teaches._
You done messed up. 😀
What questions couldn't they answer David?
@@777Tralfaz777 correct there is one Elohim, and one Yahweh. Trinitarians do not believe in modalism so there is nothing wrong with the text and this is a Trinitarian text and one that we Trinitarians use against modalism.
In Rev 5:13,14 why is it that all creation bows down and worships to him who sits down on the throne and to the Lamb? Please don’t waste my time with the thought that the Father and the Son sit on a literal throne because anyone with understanding knows that means Gods power as in his right over all creation.
@@StretchMn 1975….. my aunt claimed to be a JW anointed and she preached stay alive until 75 and today it is like it never happened and there is nothing but excuses that are being made.
How can a generation overlap another generation?
586/587 in comparison to 607 they also could not answer.
@@daviddaniel2198 Does the Almighty have a God over him?
Part 1.
The ultimate thing to think about is if its important to know the difference? If God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are separate then what difference does that make to someone's life/actions?
I was brought up in a specific Christian group that are largely despised. But one thing I will say is they are despised for knowing the bible well. In my mind at least they know the truth.
The Israelites came out of slavery in an Egypt that was known for multiple gods. They and surrounding nations often believed in Triads of gods. In Wikipedia it states:
In ancient Egypt there were many triads: the Osirian (or Abydos) triad of Osiris (husband), Isis (wife), and Horus (son), ... the Elephantine triad of Khnum (god of the source of the Nile river), Satet (the personification of the floods of the Nile river), and Anuket (the Goddess of the nile river).
When the Israelites were released from Egypt it was done in a unique way. Israels God brought 10 plagues on Egypt, each one seems to have been specific to each of the Egyptian gods. As the gods of Egypt couldn't stop the plagues it showed who was more powerful.
Exodus 12:12 New International Version
“On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.
Israels God proved his dominance over all the Egyptian gods to send a message worldwide - That he was the most powerful God, the only true one.
13Then the Lord said to Moses, “Get up early in the morning, confront Pharaoh and say to him, ‘This is what the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, says: Let my people go, so that they may worship me, 14or this time I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth. 15For by now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with a plague that would have wiped you off the earth. 16But I have raised you up a for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.
The message of who the true/most powerful God was was heard loud and clear. 40 years later the Canaanites were still talking about what the Israelite God had done to Egypt. This led one woman to worshipping the true God now she could identify him.
Joshua 2:10, 11 New International Version
10We have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea a for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to Sihon and Og, the two kings of the Amorites east of the Jordan, whom you completely destroyed. b 11When we heard of it, our hearts melted in fear and everyone’s courage failed because of you, for the Lord your God is God in heaven above and on the earth below.
The prostitute Rahab turned to the true God instead of fighting with her people against Him and was spared. Her act of hiding the Israelite spies was her way of showing faith in the true God.
Joshua 6:25 New International Version
25But Joshua spared Rahab the prostitute, with her family and all who belonged to her, because she hid the men Joshua had sent as spies to Jericho-and she lives among the Israelites to this day.
Hebrews 11:31 New Living Translation
It was by faith that Rahab the prostitute was not destroyed with the people in her city who refused to obey God. For she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.
Having come from lands of multitudes of gods it made sense for the True God to include something about this in the law to His people.
Exodus 20:3 New Living Translation
“You must not have any other god but me.
Exodus 34:14 New Living Translation
You must worship no other gods, for the LORD, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you.
However, not long after coming out of Egypt and before they received the law, the Israelites fell into worshipping other gods. While Moses was receiving the 10 written commandments in stone, the people made visible gods/idols.
Exodus 32:1-4 New International Version
1When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods a who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.”
2Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods, b Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”
Due to the Israelites not trusting God when going to take over the land of Canaan, the majority were barred entry and had to wander in the wilderness for 40 years.
Numbers 14:26-34 New International Version
26The Lord said to Moses and Aaron: 27“How long will this wicked community grumble against me? I have heard the complaints of these grumbling Israelites. 28So tell them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Lord, I will do to you the very thing I heard you say: 29In this wilderness your bodies will fall-every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. 30Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. 31As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected. 32But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness. 33Your children will be shepherds here for forty years, suffering for your unfaithfulness, until the last of your bodies lies in the wilderness. 34For forty years-one year for each of the forty days you explored the land-you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’
After the 40 year period the people were reminded of what was required to remain in God's favour. They were reminded how different their God was from any other...
Deuteronomy 6:4 Amplified Bible
“Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one [the only God]!
Deuteronomy 6:14 New International Version
14Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; 15for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.
Joshua 24:15 New International Version
But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
Throughout the early history of the nation of Israel emphasis is placed on there being only ONE true God.
So with only one true God, this means to you that Jesus isn’t God and neither is the Holy Spirit? I’m genuinely asking, because that’s what I’ve been taught and I’m trying to be more thorough about this. Also, do you happen to rest on the Sabbath or on Sunday, and could you elaborate why either which way? 🙏
Plus, thank you for your thoughtful comment and I appreciate the different Bible versions too.
@@damarisltrevizo The bible is very clear on this... there is only ONE true God....
Psalms 83:18 King James Bible
*That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.*
Psalms 97:9 American Standard Version
*For thou, Jehovah, art most high above all the earth: Thou art exalted far above all gods.*
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because *you are LORD JEHOVAH, The Highest over all the Earth and you are greatly exalted over all gods!*
John 17:1-5 New Living Translation
The Prayer of Jesus
1After saying all these things, *Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father,* the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you. 2For you have given him authority over everyone. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him. 3And this is the way to have eternal life- *to know you, the only true God,* and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth. 4I brought glory to you here on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5Now, *Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.*
John 20:17 New Living Translation
17“Don’t cling to me,” *Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father.* But go find my brothers and tell them, *‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”*
*Jesus is God's first and only direct Son* ....he is the one most like his Father Jehovah/God. All other beings/angels etc were made through Jesus...
John 1:1,14 New Living Translation
New Living Translation
*In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,* and the Word was God.
14So the Word became humand and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.e *And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.*
John 1:1 is purposefully mistranslated to say Jesus/the word is God. *Jesus is just like his Father so he is God-like...a spirit being in heaven.*
1 Corinthians 8:5,6 New Living Translation
5There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. *6But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created,* and for whom we live. *And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created,* and through whom we live.
2 Corinthians 4:4 New Living Translation
*4Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.* They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. *They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.*
Colossians 1:15 New Living Translation
Christ Is Supreme
*15Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.* He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,e
Genesis 5:3 New Living Translation
When Adam was 130 years old, *he became the father of a son who was just like him-in his very image.* He named his son Seth.
New International Version
*When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness,* in his own image; and he named him Seth.
Jesus never claimed to be God, he always said God was his father...and he worshipped him...
John 10:31-33,36 New Living Translation
31Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. *32Jesus said, “At my Father’s direction I have done many good works.* For which one are you going to stone me?”
*33They replied,* “We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! *You, a mere man, claim to be God.”*
36why do you call it blasphemy *when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’?* After all, *the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.*
Matthew 4:10 New Living Translation
“Get out of here, Satan,” *Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God* and serve only him.’”
God/Jehovah always said Jesus was his Son...
Matthew 3:16,17 New Living Translation
16After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were openedg and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him. *17And a voice from heaven said, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.”*
@@damarisltrevizo The Mosaic laws were often illustrative, helping people to understand a bigger/more profound truth to follow. The Mosiac laws were a shadow or outline, Jesus/Christianity was the detail or real thing. Despite that, there were literal/physical benefits that came from the Mosaic laws.
Colossians 2:16,17 New International Version
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or *a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.*
To demonstrate it was part of the Mosaic law exclusively, did anyone follow a Sabbath before the laws of Moses? The first mention is in the law. The Israelites had been in slavery for 200+ years, the Egyptians would never have allowed them to take a day off. *The Sabbath started when the Israelites were released...*
Exodus 7:31 New Living Translation
“You have six days each week for your ordinary work, *but on the seventh day you must stop working,* even during the seasons of plowing and harvest.
Exodus 20:1,8-11 New Living Translation
*Ten Commandments* for the Covenant Community
1Then God gave the people all these instructionsa:
*8“Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9You have six days each week for your ordinary work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of rest dedicated to the LORD your God.* On that day no one in your household may do any work. This includes you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, your livestock, and any foreigners living among you. *11For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.*
As shown above the weekly Sabbath was a mini version of God's own rest period...after creating he stopped for a period of time.
Genesis 2:3 New International Version
3Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, *because on it he rested from all the work of creating* that he had done.
The Sabbath ultimately relates to Jesus at a particular time period in the future...
Matthew 12:8 New Living Translation
*For the Son of Man is Lord, even over the Sabbath!”*
The bible shows Jesus renews/regenerates/restores the earth and all on it back to perfection. Once everything is perfect he hands mankind back over to his Father, God. So Jesus is in charge of sorting out the rebellion/insurrection Satan, Adam and Eve started.
Matthew 19:28 Amplified Bible
Jesus said to them, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, *in the renewal [that is, the Messianic restoration and regeneration of all things] when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne,* you [who have followed Me, becoming My disciples] will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 New Living Translation
*24After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26And the last enemy to be destroyed is death.* 27For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”e (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) *28Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.*
Revelation 21:1,3,4 New Living Translation
*1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.*
3I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. *God himself will be with them.a 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”*
Paul explained to Christians that the Mosiac law was only an outline of things coming. The Mosaic law focused on works/actions to get life. *But because humans are imperfect that law ultimately condemned every person to death. Jesus was the only human that perfectly lived up to the law on earth.* He earned perfect human life. He then freely gave up that life in exchange for humanity releasing them from having to earn life through impossible works. *Humanity therefore can soon enter a Sabbath/rest where they are free from sin, sickness, pain and death...*
Romans 10:3,4 New International Version
3Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. *4Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.*
5Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the *law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”*
Hebrews 4:9,10 Amplified Bible
*9So there remains a [full and complete] Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For the one who has once entered His rest has also rested from [the weariness and pain of] his [human] labors,* just as God rested from [those labors uniquely] His own.*
Isaiah 14:7 New Living Translation
But *finally the earth is at rest and quiet. Now it can sing again!*
The situation is like owing a massive debt and working all hours of the day just to make the minimum interest payments. Then a rich friend pays the debt off with some reasonable conditions. Now you can rest, not having to work endlessly and getting nowhere...
The sabbath celebration ended with Jesus ransom/payment. We no longer follow the Mosaic law with its sabbath and other requirements, we follow Jesus with his requirements.
1 Corinthians 6:20 New Living Translation
*20for God bought you with a high price.* So you must honor God with your body.
Romans 6:14,23 Amplified Bible
14For sin will no longer be a master over you, *since you are not under Law [as slaves], but under [unmerited] grace [as recipients of God’s favor and mercy].*
23For the wages of sin is death, *but the free gift of God [that is, His remarkable, overwhelming gift of grace to believers] is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.*
**One Christian requirement is to meet together with fellow believers but that is not the same as the Sabbath..***
Hebrews 10:25 New Living Translation
*25And let us not neglect our meeting together,* as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.
I also believe accepting jesus is the important part pf the new testament and not understanding the trinity.
But as an academic diacussion, trinitarian definitions are just very interesting.
Ex 2×2 Cult member. Thank you so much! God led me to this video and by the power of the Holy Spirit I believe it! Praise God! 🙏
Isn't this a case of from the frying pan into the fire?
Jesus had been SEEN by humans, including the apostle John. Here is what he testified to:
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20
Just something to reason on.
@@tongakhan230 Exodus 33 (KJV)
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¹⁷ And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
¹⁸ And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
¹⁹ And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
²⁰ And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
²¹ And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
²² And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
²³ And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Job 4 (KJV)
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¹³ In thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falleth on men,
¹⁴ Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake.
¹⁵ Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up:
¹⁶ It stood still, but I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was silence, and I heard a voice, saying,
Job could see a shape, but could not fully see it, showing that you can infact see God a little.
And this right here pretty much states Jesus is God
John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
⁴ In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
⁵ And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
⁶ There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
⁷ The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
⁸ He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
⁹ That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
¹⁰ He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
¹¹ He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
¹² But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
¹³ Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
¹⁵ John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
¹⁶ And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
¹⁷ For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
@@destroyerofyorks : If the Creator of this universe Jehovah God comes close to this earth, the earth will evaporate in a nuclear explosion. The earth cannot go closer to the sun.
God sends his angels to speak for him They are depicted by Moses as being God himself. Because they were SENT by God to SPEAK God's words and not their own.
God told Moses THROUGH an angel that humans can never see him (ie God) and continue to exist (Exodus 33:20).
Because readers could assume that the angels who are depicted as God were God himself, John wrote the qualifier 'ANY TIME'.
This would clear up any confusion for the reader.
This certainly rules Jesus - a son of God - being God at ANY or even SOME TIME.
We MUST accept Bible truth. Why would we look for ways to discredit clear unambiguous statements of truth found in the Bible.
@@tongakhan230 who is seated in Isa. 6:1? Who does Jn. 12:40,41 say it is? In context the "GOD" in 1st Jn. 4:12,20 is referencing the FATHER.
@@rickhuntling7338 : There! One is correct! Every time the term God appears, IT ONLY APPLIES to the God and Father of Jesus and his disciples (John 20:17).
Under what mitigating circumstances will it also refer to Jesus?
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that King Uz·zi′ah died, I saw Jehovah (YHWH) sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple.
I always thought of it as this: we are made in the image of God.
We have three parts just like him.
Body, soul, and for those born again, a living spirit.
That is more modalism. Modes, not persons. You can add “mind” for instance.
@@NickHawaii Yeah I was thinking of the mind as being a synonym for soul
@@AsaWRLD47 The soul is actually the totality of a person.
Did you know you don’t have a soul. You are a soul? And that the soul can and does die?
@@alphonsedenny4962 The soul is the life of the person, the person himself. The spirit of us is then life force that belongs to God. When he breathes life in us we become a living soul.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Your analogy is considered heresy to an informed Trinitarian since it describes more modalism.
Jesus is not YHWH. YHWH is his God. (Micah 5:4) Isaiah 61:1 shows YHWH anointed Jesus. Not the same being.
YHWH was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (Exodus 6:3)
What is Jesus in relation to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob as seen in Acts 3:13?
I have no idea why YT brought this up in my feed, but I'm glad it did. I am a firm believer in the Trinity, but it helps to have a clear discussion of it when someone challenges me. One of my favorite passages to establish the diety of the Holy Spirit is John 14, because when Jesus talks about the Comforter, He says the Father would send another Comforter. If I understand correctly, this is not just another person, like a prophet, as the Muslims claim, but rather, according to the Greek, another just like Himself. So if Jesus is ruled to be God by the terms laid down in the Bible, you must conclude also the Holy Spirit is God. Btw, a question for you: should we refer to that 3rd person of the Trinity as the Holy Spirit, or as "Holy Spirit," as if this is a proper name? I've always done the former and recently have seen some doing the latter, so I'm curious what you say about this. Scriptures that say the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself make me think that though He is God, He does not ever identify a name for Himself, and can be called the Holy Spirit. I guess Jesus does call Him the Comforter, and I suppose we could call Him that. What is your opinion on how to address different persons in the Trinity, or should we bother about that, except to pray to the Father in Jesus' name?
Jesus said he would send another Comforter. He said "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come unto you." Jesus is clearly stating that HE is the Holy Spirit.
@@buzzard6410or they are all God…
@@MrsCheb Son OF God. NEVER God the Son. The one singular God is a spirit who dwelt in Jesus and now dwells in us.
@@buzzard6410 duh.
@@MrsCheb :You are correct. We are not thinking the same way. I'm saying that the Father whose essence is Spirit (John 4:24), created a body called the Son. Inhabited it for 30 years. And now the same Father inhabits his people. Father, Son, or Holy Ghost whichever title you want to use, are not separate persons. But different modes that the Father God has made himself known and interacted with his creation.
John 16:33 I have told you this so that you will have peace by being united to me.The world will make you suffer. But be brave I have defeated the world!" Amen Amen Amen
AMEN 🙌🏼🕊
The Bible is the only book that has the Author present every time you open it up, no matter where you are the Holy Spirit will come & guide you into all Truth. ♥️
Yeah no.
The authors of the bible aren't even known. They are mainly anonymous.
The only book where the author is actually always with you when you read it is the Quran.
I've read both.
You can try it for yourself.
Please keep an open mind.
@@bishrnthe author she is referring to is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Is there some speculation about physical writers… yes, but the Bible from Genesis to Revelation presents a coherent picture of God, because He in unchanging.
And she can’t just keep an open mind, because one of us is wrong, and it’s about getting to that truth.
So who do you say Jesus is?
@@Heather.Isaiah43.1 thank you for your respectful comment.
"the author she is referring to is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit."
As one would notice from your response, you used the singular word author and then mentioned 3. Moreover we notice you subconsciously didn't say Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. This goes to show that you know that the only true God, just as John 17:3 clearly stated, is the Father. Yet you will stubbornly go against what your soul is screaming at you. I would beg you to be true to yourself and finally admit to yourself what Jesus clearly says is the greatest commandment: OUR (he included himself in this) Lord is one.
Just as when he clearly says: I am going to my God AND your God, my Father AND your Father.
"Is there some speculation about physical writers… yes, but the Bible from Genesis to Revelation presents a coherent picture of God, because He in unchanging."
Although you want to believe that, everything in the bible screams the contrary.
Many chapters have anonymous authors, that is why none of them are "by anyone", they are all "according to". The OT and NT are NOT coherent. The OT shows a very strict God, whereas the verses with the life of Jesus show a mellow, more balanced God, and after Jesus the church letters, especially by Paul show an injustly forgiving God (He gives no thought to the deeds, be them good or bad, which is a very strong deterrent from good for most people).
As to the fact that God is supposedly unchanging, before the miraculous birth, God was never mentioned or prayed to as triune. Never. Then suddenly He "emptied himself", He became flesh, He became mortal, He became dependent on the creation for food, shelter, protection and death. Again, you are subconsciously saying what you believe innately (God doesn't change), yet fail to see that the church (incorrectly) teaches you the opposite.
Have you never asked yourself why none of the prophets (who are supposedly sent by God) throughout the bible pray to a triune God (including Jesus), yet suddenly Christians should? Moreover they barely pray to the Father or the Holy Spirit, although when Jesus was asked how people should pray he exclusively gave the heavenly prayer to the Father. NO MENTION of Jesus or the holy spirit anywhere.
"So who do you say Jesus is?"
I say what the bible and Quran say he is, without forcing my view onto this.
John 17:3 (prophet sent by the Father)
Acts 10:38 (anointed by God) (he was performing the miracles FOR GOD WAS WITH HIM)
Jesus taught a heavenly message: “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me” (John 7:16).
He also stated that He spoke “just what the Father has taught me” (John 8:28).
In Jesus’ High Priestly Prayer, He says, “I gave them the words you gave me” (John 17:8).
Thus, Jesus clearly fulfilled the role of a prophet, as He was a spokesman for God.
Moreover prophets perform miracles BY THE POWER OF GOD.
Jesus performing many miracles and healings (e.g., Matthew 8:14-15; Mark 1:40-45; Luke 8:42-48; and John 6:16-21).
Even when responding to the claim of the Pharisees that he cast out demons he says in Matthew 12:28 that he does this by the spirit of God.
The title “prophet” is used many times in the Gospels when other people refer to Jesus (Matthew 21:11; Luke 7:16; John 4:19). Jesus also alluded to Himself as a prophet in Mark 6:4.
And the crème de la crème: Jesus is called the "Son of Man" around 80 to 88 times in the New Testament.
Yet somehow people twist the words to mean God or the son of God. It's like I said red and someone says: but that means green.
And finally the Quran says:
- He was sent by Allah and strengthened with the holy spirit (2:87, 2:253)
- 3:49 a messenger to the Children of Israel (as he himself proclaims in the story of the Canaanite woman)
- 3:50 came to attest the Law that came before him
- 3:55 was raised to Allah
- 4:157 was not killed or crucified by his enemies
- 4:171 not the son of God or a part of any trinity
- 4:172 servant and worshipper of Allah
- 19:30 a prophet
God bless you and peace be upon you
@@bishrn Okay that was so thorough. I mean nobody has ever been that thought out in their response to me ☺️
The Jews were expecting their next prophet to be the Messiah… So if you value the OT how do you reckon together the fact that you view Jesus as a prophet, but most Jews would probably frankly view Him as a liar?
Then, when considering what Jesus prophesied about Himself, what do you do with scriptures like ….
The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” •John 2:18-19
What do you believe Jesus was prophesying here?
And what do you do with people who said things such as ….
But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” •Matthew 16:15-16
As far as Yahweh being more harsh in the Old Testament. It’s because there was not the saving blood of Jesus to cover His people’s sins. So they experienced harsher punishments because they were facing their judgement in this life. Not when we are face to face with Him at the judgement seat. As far as Jesus being mellow…
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of….
He made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables….
@@bishrn I’m sorry there are just so many Bible verses that are hitting me that I just don’t understand what you do with. I mean if you don’t value the Bible the way you do the Quran I get it, but when Jesus says I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes through the Father except through Me…
What do you do with that? Jesus said you will not have life except through Him. So to you does that just mean you have to believe He was a prophet?
Gotta say if I wasn’t a subscriber already you got me with I’ll die for Jesus Christ being who I live for. Power and respect brother
Selah.
Too bad all in vain. Holding on to paganism is fallacy.
Exodus 34:14
@@GolfnMoreclips exactly
"I’ll die for Jesus Christ being who I live for" That's fine but don't forget his father, the only true God - John 17:3
I have to keep resubscribing to your channel. I missed so much. Thanks for putting out all the content.
"Before Abraham was, I AM."
Tell me, how is what Jesus said at John 8:58 Scriptural proof that three co-equal, co-eternal persons make up the same "one God"?
“Before Abraham was, I have been” - is what Jehovah Witnesses believe it to say, using their New World Translation.
@@defiance1790
Tell me, what did Jesus say at John 8:58 in _any_ Bible that gives you the impression that God is a trinity?
@@defiance1790 ----news flash......so do the Jews see it that way.....you have been spoon-fed a false doctrine and there is a RUclips video by rabbi tovia singer that explains it
@mr. mr
"he said before Abraham was I existed. To think that he said anything different is putting meaning that isn't there."
No. You're implying that he said "Before Abraham was, I was (prederite tense)/ I have been (perfect tense)."
However, that is not what the Greek grammar asserts. The Greek says, "I am" (present tense).
In our traditional understanding of grammar, using two different tenses and then connecting them (as Jesus did: "Before Abraham *was,* I *am.")* wouldn't make sense.
However, it makes sense when you think of God's nature. God is from everlasting to everlasting.
Jesus used the present tense to represent His eternality. You are incorrect when you say it only means is that Jesus existed before Abraham, because the verse doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "Before Abraham was, I was (or "I have been")," it says, "Before Abraham was, *I am."*
A Hebrew word study of the title "I am" (the same phrase, but in the Greek in the NT) in the OT will reveal this.
You accuse them of inserting meaning into the text, but it is you doing that exact thing because you say that Jesus intended it to mean like in the past tense (Before Abraham was, I existED), when He so obviously uses the present tense.
The Bible never says that Jesus is a created being. Jesus was begotten, not made.
Oneness believer here and came to this video because I want to understand the Trinity. Oneness being Modalism that Mike spoke about (I did not know that and that alone was worth my time, thank you.) I listened to it and went back to review parts as well. I just can't see how Trinity does anything better than Modalism without making it unnecessarily more complex. Almost every scripture you presented to support the Trinity can also support Modalism. This reminds me a lot of the two seemingly parallel paths in Pilgrims Progress. Two ideas that are so similar that you can't tell which path is right but one gradually leads you astray. Of course both Trinitarians and Modalists will say the other is the wrong path so c'est la vie.
I interpret the scripture through the lens of the old testament. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law (the old testament) and all scriptures both he and the apostles use are from the old testament. Obviously the new testament did not yet exist. All concepts should be able to be supported by the old testament and yet the idea of three persons is not apparent. Yes, I know some scriptures hint at multiple persons such as Genesis 1:26 and there are some hints at Jesus in the theophanies. However, this idea is not found in Israeli teachings, no prophecies that I know of indicate anyone besides Jesus, nor are the hinting scriptures ever used by Jesus or the apostles. Further, there is no correlation found in nature. Scripture frequently uses nature as a teacher and scripture is in harmony with nature but the idea of three persons in one being is repulsive and deemed a sickness.
I have a few problems with Triune persons that are not a problem in Modalism. I am totally open to anyone answering these things. I truly don't understand the Trinity and want to learn why it is the dominant viewpoint.
First off, why are they not equal? The Holy Spirit wasn't introduced at all in scripture until the new testament and Jesus is only hinted at in the theophanies. Scripture says Jesus' name is placed above all other names (which would include Yahweh), that he has all power, and at the name of Jesus every knee would bow. So where is Yahweh and the Holy Spirit in this equation? Are they somehow inferior?
Second, why is the Father the Father, when Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit? Again a contradiction to nature (Luke 1:35.)
Third, why does Jesus tells his disciples to "baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" (Matt 28:19) and Peter says, "be baptized in the NAME of Jesus Christ... and you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:38)? Peter was full of the Holy Spirit and certainly the other disciples would have corrected him if he misspoke.
Lastly, what is the point of splitting one being into three persons? Does a Triune Godhead have any benefit over simply a single God who manifested in 3 different ways? Mike said (extremely simplified paraphrase) it's just what God taught in scripture, therefore we must accept it. Except that goes against the entire point of apologetics. One God with different hats harmonizes with the old testament and nature so much better. A man can be a father, a son, and have a spirit at the same time, but a man with three persons doesn't make any sense unless you just accept it by faith that it is what it is. Why accept the complicated answer when a simpler answer exists.
I don't believe Trinity vs. Modalism is a salvation issue and, unlike many in my church, I believe that Trinitarians are saved. Jesus said "He who is not against us is on our side" (Luke 9:50) and I believe regardless of the differences in our beliefs, we are both on the same side. But.... I just don't get it!
What about looking at as the Bible says? God is own person. He created Jesus before anything, which is why Jesus is called God's only-begotten son.
Two separate and distinct individuals.
It's how you go through the entire gospel with those two individuals speaking to each other. Jesus praying to God. Jesus showed they were separate by being sent by God and being obedient to God and returning to and being seared next to God.
@@StretchMn John 1:3 disagrees with you.
The Holy Spirit was mention in the old testament read Psalm 51. The reason why the Holy spirit wasnt all that much mention in the old testament was because Israelites had harden their hearts to Yahweh...If you repent and asked to accept the Holy Spirit you can become born again. The Holy Spirit is supposed to Guide you to interpret the scriptures. I always pray and ask God to lead me to Preachers filled with the Holy Spirit. It's amazing to see how The Holy Spirit can open up the scriptures. Why do you think Jesus said blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the unforgiveable sin?
People seem to forget that Jesus was human. This is how he could pray to God (not praying to himself). John 5:19 says that Jesus could do nothing of himself save that what he sees the Father do. In Luke 4:12 he speaks as God, thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 1 Cor 1:13 says it matters what name you are baptized in. We are not baptized into Paul or any denomination. Also the Bible says that there is only One spirit. If this is the case then how is there Father (spirit) Son (spirit) Holy Ghost (spirit). There is only one God. He can be in more that one place at one time. Why can't God be in heaven and earth at the same time? This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. I have many other scriptures supporting one God. We Apostolics have nothing to do with JW's as many would like to indicate. I once knew one, and they were completely baffled that I didn't believe the trinity doctrine which opened the door for me to minister to her.
@@vincentdykes In Luke 4:12, who would have tested God?
And, that word is test, not tempt.
“In the beginning was the WORD. The WORD was with God. The WORD was God.”-John 1:1
In the beginning was Eve, and Eve was with the human,, and Eve was a human.....
The World is NOT the ONLY GOD -that is the FATHER ONLY, and Jesus even today worships the Father (He is our high priest to the father and not GOD) and he still have a GOD (his father)
This only destroys any pagan trinity...
MAPS MARTIAL ARTS PHILOSOPHY STATION mate Hate to tell you this but John 1:1 that’s not Jesus that is taking
Demis MegaS John 1 and Hebrews 1 contradict you.
@@DemisMegaS, If Jesus was not God, Is He created by God?
MAPS MARTIAL ARTS PHILOSOPHY STATION, Can you please define Trinity? Thanks....
Excellent teacher. You make it so easy to remember. I love that.
Which scripture did he use that clarified to you that God is three persons? What chapter and verse?
Your in your 40's?!?!?!? Man you look good brother, i thought maybe late 20's or early 30's!
He's 40 ? No way wow that's amazing. I thought he was like 24
@@VitoHoffa 24? C'mon I would've said 36
Right!! I was shocked too! I thought like 34.
@@queen-asia2184 there's a difference between the Old Testament and New Testament one God.
The Old Testament one God is 'me' Exodus 20:2-3 'You shall have no other gods/elohim before me': 'I am the LORD your God/Elohim/Gods who have brought you out of the land of Egypt out of the house of bondage': there's no other God, Gods/Elohim/God, Savior, Redeemer, Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD, Rock, Creator 'who brought you out of the land of Egypt out of the house of bondage' there's no other LORD/God/Elohim/Gods 'and the LORD went before them by day ... and by night' Exodus 13:21.
Jesus is the saviour from sins Matthew 1:21 'for he shall save his people from their sins', no other beside him that saves from sin.
'Having purged our sins sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high' Hebrews 1:3.
20's or 30's would be his IQ.
Mike! Bro... I’m loving that the last few videos are aiming at educating Christians and not “attacking” believers with faulty theology. These videos edify the church... well done! Stay the course... bring scriptural truth for those lacking understand or knowledge! Leave those who preach a different gospel to their own devices... their “ministries” will die if it’s not from God. Enjoyed you video brother
How is the Trinity truth...when it does not mention it...extrabibkical pope knowledge.
@@johnp3081 How is Gods omniscience truth, or his omnipotence truth, if the Bible doesn't mention it?
@@ea-tr1jh God is a Spirit. And that would be common sense - which many have not. Not even the spirit of truth...the world cannot receive it cause they KNOW HIM NOT.....since they never knew the Father either.
@Steve Heston 2. There is no evidence that Mt 28:19 is an interpolation or corruption. Saying so is merely a conspiracy. There is sufficient evidence that it is not a corruption, because ante-nicene church fathers quote and paraphrase the verse, mentioning the Trinitarian formula.
"It seems that trinitarians are desperate to make the Bible teach the Trinity."
Actually, no, this isn't the case. Trinitarian scholars will and do openly admit that 1 John 5:7 in the KJV is a corruption. It was likely accidently inserted by a scribe. In fact, the only translations that have the corrupted translation nowadays are the KJV and its "spin-offs," such as the NKJV. The only reason why these corrupted translations are kept to this day is because delusional KJV-onlyists will throw a fit if they aren't, and the NKJV just copies the KJV, the only difference being it adopts a modern English dialect.
3. I have no idea how 1 Cor 10:1-4 supports your position.
@Steve Heston The evidence for your reading of Mt 28:19 is very weak. Eusebius was known to quote the trinitarian formula in other places (Contra Marcellum I.1.9; I.1.36; Theologia III. 5.22; EpCaesarea 3 (Socrates, Eccl.Hist 1.8); and Theophania 4.8).
His shortened form of Mt 28:19 is easily explained by his shortening of other verses in his writing, such as, "God bestowed on him the name above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow of things in heaven and on earth and under the earth," when the full verse is: "Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."
It is not uncommon for Eusebius to shorten verses.
The Trinitarian formula is also mentioned by church fathers much older the Eusebius.
*The Didache:*
"After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Before baptism, let the one baptizing and the one to be baptized fast, as also any others who are able” (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).
*Tatian the Syrian:*
"Then said Jesus unto them, ‘I have been given all authority in heaven and earth; and as my Father has sent me, so I also send you. Go now into all the world, and preach my gospel in all the creation; and teach all the peoples, and baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit’ [Matt. 28:18-19]” (The Diatesseron 55 [A.D. 170]).
*Hippolytus:*
"When the one being baptized goes down into the water, the one baptizing him shall put his hand on him and speak thus: ‘Do you believe in God, the Father Almighty?’ And he that is being baptized shall say: ‘I believe.’ Then, having his hand imposed upon the head of the one to be baptized, he shall baptize him once. Then he shall say: ‘Do you believe in Christ Jesus . . . ?’ And when he says: ‘I believe,’ he is baptized again. Again shall he say: ‘Do you believe in the Holy Spirit and the holy Church and the resurrection of the flesh?’ The one being baptized then says: ‘I believe.’ And so he is baptized a third time” (The Apostolic Tradition 21 [A.D. 215]).
*Tertullian:*
"After his resurrection he promises in a pledge to his disciples that he will send them the promise of his Father; and lastly, he commands them to baptize into the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, not into a unipersonal God” (Against Praxeas 26 [A.D. 216]).
*Origen:*
“The Lord himself told his disciples that they should baptize all peoples in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit . . . for indeed, legitimate baptism is had only in the name of the Trinity” (Commentary on Romans 5:8 [A.D. 248]).
*The Acts of Xantippe and Polyxena:*
"Then Probus . . . leapt into the water, saying, ‘Jesus Christ, Son of God, and everlasting God, let all my sins be taken away by this water.’ And Paul said, ‘We baptize thee in the name of the Father and Son and Holy Ghost.’ After this he made him to receive the Eucharist of Christ” (Acts of Xantippe and Polyxena 21 [A.D. 250]).
*Cyprian of Carthage:*
“He [Jesus] commanded them to baptize the Gentiles in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. How then do some say that though a Gentile be baptized . . . never mind how or of whom, so long as it be done in the name of Jesus Christ, the remission of sins can follow-when Christ himself commands the nations to be baptized in the full and united Trinity?” (Letters 73:18 [A.D. 253]).
*Eusebius of Caesaria:*
“We believe . . . each of these to be and to exist: the Father, truly Father, and the Son, truly Son, and the Holy Ghost, truly Holy Ghost, as also our Lord, sending forth his disciples for the preaching, said, ‘Go teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.’” (Letter to the People of His Diocese 3 [A.D. 323]).
As you can see, the Trinitarian formula is well attested in the pre-nicene church fathers, even going back to the Didache, which was a late first century or early second century work.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
@@alphonsedenny4962 dude your cherry-picking, you have to deny most of the bible to fit your twisted beliefs in.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Jo. 1:18 - No man hath seen God at anytime...
They saw Jesus!
Did John lie?
@@John-st7bf what are you saying??? Go tell a Jewish that we have 3Gods noooo nooo there's no 3persons in the bible.
There's nooo 3Gods but 1 God in 3 offices.
Noooo 3persons. 3offices of the one God
@@alphonsedenny4962 that's good 👍
@@josuekamokokalunga9989 did Jesus Father himself?
Thank you brother. If anything this is what Christians need to understand with urgency. God bless you for this!
The 3 persons in one God still don't make sense to many people. I have faith in it but cannot explain it, because they think 3 persons make them seperate minds with seperate ways, therefore God is not one mind. Is there something it can be compared to? Not specifically a living, but like anything. Not comparing God to anything, of course not, but for understanding. I heard someone say it's like the left and right hand. United but seperate, but something that can have it make more sense in multiple ways to someone without faith.
“But for us there is but one God, the Father” 1 Corinthians 8:6
This is the first point that Mike made. There is one God. And the Father is God. There is one God, 3 persons. The entire doctrine of the trinity is built on the fact that there is one God. An hour of scriptural back-up for the doctrine of the trinity, this one verse doesn’t disprove everything the Bible teaches us. If anything it bolsters the argument for the trinity.
He also directly addresses your argument at 53:54
@@gr4hamm this verse clearly tells us that the Father is God. That is one person, and Jesus is the Son of that One God. 2 divine beings the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit is their spirit and not a person. This is what the scriptures teach.
imagine not even watching even the first part of the video before commenting (do not reply i'm not going to read it or answer lol, just try to be open minded about other peoples points, and take all things into factor to form a complete thought.)
Well, it's just like our own union with God. Yeshua is our brother. We are both in union with God and, therefore, with each other.
17 Look! Also, there was a voice+ from the heavens that said: “This is my Son,+ the beloved,+ whom I have approved.”+
afterraincomessun. The voice of Satan. Not God.
Kurt Willam dont.
@@kurtwillam6887 the unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. You’re treading a fine line.
Wow!
Tread lightly, ... son.
You are... treading on our dreams.
"He, when angered... will accept NO ransom."
@@lovealways2609 yes dreams are they and the other side is the truth of the bible (which i think you do not know)
you write :"He, when angered... will accept NO ransom."
Why do you use a text about adultery here ?proverbs 6:35
Thank you so much for teaching the Word of God. And that he is the Foundation of REALITY. I NEEDED TO HEAR THAT. Thank you again for clearly explaining the Word.
( 171 ) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
( 172 ) Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together.
173 ) And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper.
( 174 ) O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light.
Surat Annisaa (The Women), Holy Qur'an.
With respect. This sounds like a sigh of relief.
'I've believed the Trinity blindly for so long. At last someone has come along and explained my belief to me.'
If beliefs were based on truth, this scripture should have been taken into consideration.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Jesus had been SEEN.
Just some help.
Love this so much. I am so sad my sister and her fiance got pulled to Unitarian views. They don’t believe in trinity because of apparently Catholics creating the word and they don’t believe Jesus is God. Please pray for them 🙏🏽
Some Catholics are Trinitarians, I will pray for your sister and her fiance.
Mike you make things clear for me. I’ve never questioned the doctrine of the Trinity. I’ve always figured it’s one of those mysteries that I would understand when I get there and until then I’ll just trust and believe. But your explanations and scripture references make it more clear to me.
The Johannine Comma is an interpolation (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment given by YAHSHUA to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the name of YAHSHUA, as demonstrated in the book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity--at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity!
There’s no such of thing in the Bible God has never said he’s trinity or we are trinity it is one God you just added to the bible look at that!
1 Cor 12:6
@@RTVS6720 I guess you didn’t watch the video.
@@rlrieth i don’t have to watch a video, because the video cannot change what God is don’t add to the scripture
Rev 22:18-21 .
God is one no trinity . Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh 1 Tim 3:16,
The Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is God John 4:23-24.
1 Corinthians 12:6
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.”
@@RTVS6720 I guess I don’t understand your perspective. Why would you criticize Mike for making this video by saying you don’t have to watch it. He brought up so many more scripture references than the ones you gave. It was good. Don’t understand what you are saying: that you already know everything?
I greatly appreciate your video. I used to be an Adventist, and I got out of the EGW cult and got rebaptized as a Christian in the Baptist church. they fought about the Trinity in the Adventist church too. I personally don't know why we have this doctrine. I am saved by relationship with God, by love (John 13:34,35). Relationships, not informational hermaneutics - including all this Trinity stuff. The bible says Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It does not say Trinity and the bible says not to add things or omit things. (The trinity says 3 co-equal persons). The trinity is Tertulian's personal opinion and there is nothing wrong with a Christian man having a personal hermaneutic, but I don't know why this personal hermaneutic became a corporate hermaneutic. as far as I am concerned, it is just a lot of word gymnastics, opinions and ideas (Mark 7:7). I am not saved by Tertulian's opinions; I am saved by my Lord and Savior (John 14:6) and what He told me to do about that. (Mark 12:29-31). I don't need to figure out everything about God 'under the hood". He says to trust me and lean not on your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5,6. I honestly do not think that God the Father appreciates being called 'a Trinity'. It seems disrespectful as if we need to reduce God to inanimate components and slap labels all over our relationship with God.
What is at stake here goes far beyond whether or not the word "trinity" is explicitly found in scripture. The word itself is merely the name of a doctrine and as such it is not the same as "adding to scripture". If your position is that Jesus is not God then that makes you an adovcate of another doctine - unitarianism - which isn't found in scripture either, so the argument you appeal to here is self-defeating. Also, NO ONE is slapping labels on the Father! We don't call the Father a trinity, we call the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit a trinity, and not as a means of being disrespectful, but because it is CONVENIENT to use labels in a language in order to refer to concepts. Don't try to invent problems that do not exist.
Beautiful, thank you
hermeneutics is vital in understanding the Bible though. Many cults cherry pick aka proof text, so you best not blenderize* a mess when refuting their tossed salad. * les feldick, Through the Bible. Further, the Bible cites dispensation coupled w " rightly dividing the Word of Truth". For the record.
U used to be an Adventist keeping 10 commandments and now you are a Baptist? So you don't keep the 10 commandments any more?
God bless you 144!!! In Jesus name. Trinity is from satan.
Oh, Pastor Mike, you make me feel so old! You're in your 40s, I'm in my 60s. Your teaching is an inspiration, and I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a Christ-filled New Year.
wake UP ,..jesus christ is not GOD !
@@jesuschristinislam9679 Jesus said repeatedly that He came from Heaven. In John 3:13, Jesus said," And no man hath ascended up to Heaven, but He that came down from Heaven, even the Son of Man which is in Heaven." Jesus said also in Matthew 11::25 "All things are delivered unto Me of My Father: and no man knoweth the Son but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him". I pray that the LORD will reveal Himself to you.
@@vincentawbrey8800 what are you trying to prove ? Are you trying to prove that jesus is god ? Or are trying to prove that jesus is son of god ?
Jesus can never be GOD simply because GOD is not a man , GOD is not human being , GOD is a created thing .
GOD is holy and perfect ...while jesus is not ...
GOD does not require food and drink to sustain His life because GOD is the sustainer and Provider ..GOD is self sufficient master ...GOD does not go to toilet or bathroom to urinate and defecate ..while jesus did eat and drink and sleep ...
That is not the quality of GOD ...wake up bro ...leave the church now !
You are being fooled by their lie and thier false manmade doctrine
@@jesuschristinislam9679 Are you trying to "win" an argument or are you even interested in Who Jesus said He is? If you don't believe what Jesus has revealed about Himself in the Bible, or if you don't believe the Bible you are not saved, period.
@@vincentawbrey8800 i am both to defend Jesus Christ, his teaching , his message and his identity, i know who Jesus is,.. when i stand with JESUS automatically i will win the debate ,..
BIBLE is corrupted book, if you dont know that, that mean you are leave behind ,..if i want i can show you the verse ,..!
JESUS did not die on the CROSS ,. he was escaped, survived and rescued by GOD ,..
JESUS was sinless and innocent ,..JESUS was not criminal ,..SO DONT THINK and dont insist that JESUS die on the CROSS ??
How did JESUS die on the cross,..? did he die as a man or as a god ?
Additionally, people mistaken the title "Son of God" as a literal description of Jesus-as if He's sort of son in literal sense. I've been reading the book "The Sonship of Christ" by Ty Gibson, and I'm glad I found it. I learned that the term "son of God" is his covenant identity. Isaac was the begotten son of Abraham, but that doesn't mean he's the only son. Rather, he was the begotten son because he is the only begotten covenant son. God also told David that he begot him (Psalm 2), but it didn't mean that David became a literal son in a sense that he's another diety. The title "Begotten Son" is a calling to the covenant vocation. Jesus is fulfilling the covenant that the nation of Israel, David, Solomon, has failed to do. He is the new Adam, and he reenacted Israel's covenant history to establish the kingdom of God, which they failed to do so.
I will also quote specific lines from the book:
"And that is precisely what Jesus means when He calls Himself God's 'only begotten Son.' By appropriating the title to Himself, Jesus is explaining to Nicodemus that He is the messianic antitype of Isaac, and Israel, and David, and Solomon. So, then, John 3:16 is not a declaration that Jesus was literally 'begotten' of God way back before coming to our world, nor that Jesus came into distinct existence chronologically after God. Rather, John 3:16 is telling us that Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant promise foreshadowed in Israel's covenantal Sonship."
I used to wonder about the Sonship of Jesus and the Trinity itself because they used to explain it to me in a vague sense. How are you supposed to teach someone if you can not even explain it in a sense that they would understand at the same time won't be far from what the context actually say? Thank you for this!
Jesus is a literal Son of GOD, in that He is GOD's firstborn
Also, this nonsense that Jesus is something other than a son, with a Father is all quite silly tbh.
I mean, how far must people go, to deny the obvious truth - yes, Jesus has a 'literal' Father - oh my, what a tragedy...
@@SmalltimR
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
""God did Not get married and have a son. God did Not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God’s Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35""
That's why Yeshua isn't Literally the Son of God. Yeshua is The Eternal Son of God, because he Shares in the Same Divine Nature as God. Yeshua is God the Son ❤️✝️
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22
As YHWH is clearly not human, it is obvious that His sons in heaven are not born of physical means. And so this nonsense of human progeny taking precedent over divine matters. is nothing but silly gibberish.
As for _'being made manifest',_ here again, it is the ineptitude of the wording, which testifies to the claim, in that the term; _'manifest',_ literally means; _'revealed',_ and moreso, having nothing whatsoever to do with the topic whatsoever.
But who are we kidding - in a world consumed with deception and lies, the notion that the Messiah is called Son by His Father, only to have the people of this earth denying written testimony for self-made delusions - should come as no surprise at all...
PS. as there is no such title as 'GOD the son' - you should really consider stopping the spread of lies in honor of the devil, and in exchange for the truth revealed to Jesus by GOD - Jesus died for the truth, and we should honor His death, by honouring GOD's written truth without the addition or removal of anything.
@@SmalltimR
YHWH is the Name of the Triune God.
So YHWH is Yeshua & is Fully God & Fully Man ❤️
Listen, if Jesus isn't God then we got a major case of idolatry on our hands
The great deception.... Revelation 19 :10....
This is who Yeshua is .John 3:all
John 8;48
John 13:16
John 6 : 38
Read the whole chapter.... Then read the whole book
Satan know what he's doing having us praying to Jesus ...question who is Jesus in the Greek and Latin this name doesn't exist .. But the whole world use it like a lucky charm ...
@@omni-archon4444 None of those verses erase the major fact of idolatry if Jesus is a created being
@@bobpolo2964 i can not say if Yeshua was created ...but i know he's not divine like the father because he die. ....Jehovah's can not die at any given time ...
@@omni-archon4444 He died in human form. His divinity remained in tact. You can't make assumptions about God and place Him in a box
"Theology is loving God and knowing who He is!"
Love it!!!
To me, one of the most wonderful things about the Trinity is God's utter humility and totally giving nature. The Father keeps nothing back but gives all authority to the Son. The Son willingly humbles Himself under the Father's authority. And the Spirit also goes at the Father's command, as if He was a mere angel. He keeps in the background and speaks of and glorifies Jesus.
@@alphonsedenny4962 Jesus never stop being God. Never
@@alphonsedenny4962 God does not pray to God? Where is that in scripture? Lol im just teasing. To be honest though brother, i would say that Jesus was still God while He was on earth. Just because He was wearing a robe made of flesh does not mean He was any less God. Let us use your example of water to reason this;
If i take a boat out to the middle of the Pacific ocean, and dive down about halfway, and collect a jar of water, is that water any less a part of the ocean now that it is held captive by a jar? What about when i remove the jar from the ocean and place it on the boat? Of course not. It is as much "Pacific Ocean" as it was when i gathered it. Same thing works with the wind/air. So it is with God. I cannot explain the physics of it obviously, but Christ was as much God as He was a man. Hence why He could still forgive sin, perform miracles, predict the future, and cast judgement. All of these attributes belong to God alone.
@@alphonsedenny4962 if Jesus is God now, then Jesus was God then, because God is **never once** called Jesus in the OT.
@@leokennedy4557 John 3:16 God gave not loaned for a season. Heb2 talks about his humanity (lower than the angels-for a season) He was 100%man, the purpose to accomplish salvation and in order to taste death he had to be a man Heb2:9 He was born born-again verse11 keyword brethren/children God gave him (Luk8:21,Joh20:17) Heb2:12,13 echoes Christ's prayer in Joh17:26, verse6,9,19. So there are 2catergories of humans here.. the world (unregenerate)and the brethren (regenerate). Fallen nature of Adam Rm8:3. Joh10:36 Christ was sanctified first then sent into the world. Heb2:14 the children specifies the nature Christ took (Heb2:11,13. He brought a lifeline-a connection with the Father, He had the Spirit of God. He is our Saviour. He was from the seed of Abraham (Isaac the child of promise-a type of Christ)Heb2:16,Rm9:6-8. Joh3:6,7 1st birth flesh 2nd birth Spirit both humans. Rm8:8,14. So Christ's human nature was born of the flesh/humanity and born of the Spirit(of God/sanctified) His nature was of the born again Believer Heb2:17,18. That is why He had to be inferior to the angels... to save humanity He had to be 100%man.
Heb1 talks about Christ's divinity. God the Father elevates him above the angels, gives Him His inheritance as the begotten Son so yes He is 100% God now. He is our representative in Heaven as a man that's why we can boldly go to the Father's throne. As a life-giving spirit He reconciles the Believer back to God by dwelling in us. Col1:27
Peace.
@@selalmng He had the Spirit of God : no.
He is that Spirit : 2 cor 3 v 17 , 18 made flesh Matthew 1 v 23, 1 tim 3 v 16
Thanks! I loved this presentation. This week, I am preaching along these very lines at church, and your teaching gave me some more inspiration for my sermon. I am speaking on our statement of beliefs, and am talking about the trinity this week. I was worried that people would see it as just an academic teaching, but you starting with the 7 questions shows how important it is to know these things. Thanks for that!
But the Bible doesn’t teach 3 persons in 1 God. No scripture says that.
you want to understand the Trinity? Here you go
The Father is God in His Glory
They Son is God in flesh the Word
The Holy Spirit is Gods Presence
Look at it this way, we are created in God image
We are also 3n1
When we die, our flesh is buried on earth, our spirit departs from our flesh an goes to heaven or hell. (now we are in two diffwrbtb places at once like Jesus), but we are one person
At the rapture we will get our glorified bodies.
We have our flesh, spirits, glorified bodies
1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Moses also says the same in Exodus
Hopefully now you understand the Trinity
@@putjesusfirst9217 No we are never in 2 places at one time. One central place of consciousness. And there are problems with “God” being in 1 Timothy 3:16. Look at the manuscript evidence. Most trinitarian translations now have it WHOM or HE.
For the sake of all the young people in your congregation, please do not shy away from "academic" teaching. If not answered, it is the academic questions that cause people to spurn the faith when they become adults.
@@reijishian2593 What kind of “academic questions”?
Pastor Mike, thanks for making this video. I was raised a Jehovah's Witness, now that I've left, the Trinity was something I was very unsure of. Now I both understand and believe in the Trinity
Really?? How long were you a JW?
@@StretchMn I am 55 now, my mother became a JW in 1974. I myself was baptised in 1992 and was in until 2021.
@@Sad_Monkey Why did you leave?
@@StretchMn I was disfellowshipped in 2021 for having sex with a widow from the UK (I'm in the US) in 2017. She confessed to (I believe) get back at me, but it helped me to wake up.
@@Sad_MonkeySo you don't think having sex when not married is wrong?
Romans:8:26 In the same way the Spirit also comes to help us, weak as we are. For we do not know how we ought to pray, the Spirit himself pleads with God for us in groans that words cannot express. Amen Amen Amen
God’s spirit is not a person but what God uses, his dynamic power in action, to accomplish His will and help us when we pray. We never pray to the Holy Spirit but for it.
@@NickHawaii you can grieve the holy spirit. So the holy spirit is a person.
@@waynecolburn8849 That doesn’t necessarily make it a person. For example, “the land" is represented as mourning because of devastations caused by invading armies or by a plague.
Joel 1:10-12 “The land mourns." NASB
Does "the land" have a "functioning personality?"
Actually, there are almost overwhelming examples of "inanimate things" that seem to do what we would attribute only to humans.
Here's just one I like, found in Psalms 96:11 tells us that "All the trees of the forest will sing for joy." NASB
There are also other things that you are very well aware of that are "personified" in the Scriptures.
Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both "works" and "children."
The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as "kings." (Romans 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12)
He speaks of sin as "receiving an inducement," 'working out covetousness,' 'seducing,' and 'killing.' (Romans 7:8-11)
Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person. Personifying it does not make it a person. This is not something unusual. There are many, many more examples of other things being personified in Scripture.
@@waynecolburn8849 How do you pour out a person?
@@NickHawaii the holy spirit is a person but not flesh and blood and can be pour out meaning be everywhere and go anywhere.
I was raised Oneness Pentecostal and your first point about monotheism is very important. I was thought that you guys believe in 3 gods. I don't identify was Oneness anymore. I'm only 13 minutes in and this is really good so far. I sure I'll be back to comment again. Salute!
I am oneness believer... aka a monotheistic person who believes that jesus is God I just dont believe that God has multiple personality disorder... the father is the spirit, the essence in the way he describes the trinity, jesus is the son as in God manifest in the flesh as stated in scripture, he came to make many sons of God as talked about in hebrews, and the holy spirit is poured out after jesus is crucified and that is God dwelling in his new temple (man). Oneness just believes the spirit is what makes up God we dont deny the sonship of jesus or that jesus was God...
Isiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Notice he is called mighty God and everlasting father. Dont forget tortelliun didnt create the trinity until 200 AD and even he admitted the common belief was oneness theology... that's what maybe 3 generations of people post Jesus... I dont really see the majority of Christian's believing that If it wasnt taught that way by the apostles.
@@EnlightenedByChrist are you familiar with Joel Hemphill?
@ DJ B PLUS
The question here is __Why to disconnect from the Scriptures using coined new words not really pertaining to the Scriptures as Oneness & Trinity ?
__Does Jesus said Monotheist (Worshipping) quoting from Deuteronomy 6:4 ?
That's exactly the words in Greek expressed by Jesus on John 17:3 'This means everlasting life for those acknowledging about you; the true monotheist/the only true God (of Israel ) and to whom you sent forth, Jesus.'
Here Jesus definally quoted from the first commandment on Deuteronomy 6:4 and well- written down his words on John 17:3, by his apostle John.
@@EnlightenedByChrist
There is not such inspired expression that the most high God Jehovah of Israel had manifest himself on the flesh, like a "child being born to us " of Isaiah 9:6 actually quoted by John on Revelation 12:1-7 the male child born known on the flesh as Jesus from the celestial woman who turned to be not Jehovah God of Israel but Jesus in his roll of Arcangel Michael and his angels matching his Princesshood of Peace in heaven according to the prophecy same all on Isaiah 9:6 For a child has been born and he would be..."Prince of Peace ".
Let's get things straight from the very beggining on what does the Scriptures really teach us about the God of Israel and Jesus Christ the appointed king not till snatch back to heaven !
@@elzevierjaviergarcia890 you sound like a jehovahs witness... no thanks
When I was born my parents were already JWs. So I was raised to believe and taught to believe that Jesus was created as Michael the Archangel. When I started searching for truth it became obvious to me that what they believed was not the truth. The most difficult Christian doctrine for me to accept was the trinity until I watched a debate between James White and a JW whose name I dont recall. I remember that James White's argument was convincing enough for me to accept. Still I struggled with it for some time untill I started reading and studying the King James Bible and set aside their New World Translation. The more I read and studied the easier and more convincing the trinity became a concept that I haven't question since. With prayer, study and a proper bible translation I now can understand what Christian truth is and I can defend it as well.
Glad to hear you came to know the truth. Two excellent books that I would recommend for you are:
1. Father, Son and Spirit: The Trinity and John’s Gospel by Scott R. Swain and Andreas J. Köstenberger, (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic, 2016).
2. Putting Jesus in His Place by Robert M. Bowman Jr. and J. Ed Komoszewski (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 2007).
May God bless.
I would recommend reading the Bible.
And be wary of those who teach "teach philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition..." as Col. 2:8 warns.
There is not one mention of the trinity from Genesis through Revelation. What it does show is that Jehovah is the one true God.
From- Ge. 1:26 - God says to Jesus, "Let US make man in OUR image..." (Plural, one is God, the other is Jesus.)
To- De. 6:4,5 - Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
To Ps. 83:18 - ...that you, whose name is Jehovah, you ALONE are the Most High...
To- Mt. 4:10 where Jesus says to worship Jehovah God and him ALONE.
To- Jo. 3:16 where God sends his only-begotten son.
To- Jo. 17:3 where Jesus prays to his Father calling that Father the only true God, who sent Jesus.
To- 1 Co. 8:5,6 where only the Father is called God.
To- Re. 1:1 - A revelation by Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM. So Jesus got it from God, two individuals still.
Plural from the beginning to the end. Thats what the scriptures teach.
Hi Blair, I'm sure you are well acquainted with people like Mark Kittleson-a JW who would rather hold his errant beliefs than accept the truth.
Mark has been told many many times that trinitarians teach that the one God subsists in three persons and that this is monotheism, but he will not listen.
Mark has been told that Jesus is identified as Jehovah in the NT (Mat 3:3, Rom 10:13, etc.) and that they are so clear that even the Watchtower has admitted that Jesus is the referent in these passages (The Watchtower, May 1, 1978, p. 12), but he still denies it. You know he has major issues when he denying what his own organization has admitted. The WT attempts to justify why Jesus can be called Jehovah, but they can't deny that Jesus is identified as Jehovah in the NT. Mark, however, refuses to accept what the Bible says, and refuses to accept what the WT has said.
But again, I'm sure you're familiar with guys like him.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 And yet who us advocates the bible or man-made philosophies?
@@StretchMn lol. You do! Jesus is identified as Jehovah in the NT, so when you deny it and advocate the teaching of the Watchtower over the the testimony of the Bible you're advocating a man-made philosophy.
God is truly an amazing being. And deserves every praise, worship, and honor.
19:35 200% is "right" because it indicates more than what we know is possible. That's the point.
"TRULY" he is false lol!
That is human thinking and what you think is the point. O don't. But I only read the bible and never is it there. My church believes there is FATHER , SON , AND HOLY GHOST but never say they are a trinity. It's unbiblical. Once again MIKE DID GOaDmake a mistake leaving it out. Never has HE made a mistake.
ANYTHING is possible with GOD SO HE has not chosen to reveal thus mystery. It's really no real use thinking a lot about it, especially when you could be working on your salvation.
You started by explaining the “doctrine of the trinity” according to a pre-conceived belief or idea, then attempted to find verses in the Bible that support your doctrine. That is not how the Word of God should be read. Reading it this way can be used to prove almost anything you’ve set out to prove. Instead, you should read the Bible as a whole to find out what God wants to tell us about who He is. Not what you want Him to be according to your pre-conceived ideas. If you have to rely on outside human authors like James White to explain a doctrine that is not clearly explained in the Bible, you are misleading yourself and many others who listen to you. Unless James White, and others like him, received a revelation from the Most High directly, their books and words can tell us NOTHING about who God REALLY IS. The “Word of God” became flesh in order to tell us everything we need to know about who or what God is. No other outside sources are needed. You later claim that you believe the entire Bible and claim that Jesus is not the Son of God, but God himself. By doing so, you are turning God and His Son into liars! Nowhere in the entire Bible are the words ‘God the Son’ or ‘God the Holy Spirit’ mentioned. It’s almost always God the Father. The doctrine that you are teaching is NOT mentioned or explained by any apostle or disciple of Messiah. The trinity doctrine is a man-made philosophical abstraction meant to confuse people and turn a true relationship with our Creator into worshipping of an incomprehensible impersonal deity. We worship a REAL LIVING Heavenly Father, not a triune being with multiple personality disorder.
SO TRUE! That is exactly what trinitarians do.
If is similar to a Judge convicting someone. Then ordering the police to look for evidence to help with his decision.
These videos alone prove that the Trinity is a scam.
but thats the only way the doctrine works, first you invent the doctrine, then you cut little bits and pieces out of the bible from one end to the other, place them all back together, and do your little smoke and mirror act.
@@joeydelrio Thats a great way to explain it!
@@tongakhan230 trinity isn't false
You can use quantum mechanics to explain the biblical trinity
Jesus Christ, Father, Holy Spirit are three aspects of the same thing
Just as Space and Time are two aspects of the same thing called Spacetime
Therefore
Son
Father
Holy spirit
Are three aspects of an entity called God
was doing a refresh on this particular teaching, and just wanted to say thank you Mike! something about the revelation of the spirit being personable brought me to joyous tears and really refreshed my soul. thank you again for your ministry, & allowing God to speak to, & through you. God bless you man much love
God is personable. But his spirit is not an actual person. Like God and Jesus who are persons.
@@T.m513 I am a Christian who does not believe in the trinity. You also described modalism which is not what the scriptures teach. God is one. Not three in one. Jesus has someone always that is God to him so he can’t be that God. He said to have faith in God and ALSO in him. (John 14:1)
@@T.m513 Thanks for writing. Can you please take a look and tell me what you think.
5:68
Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord."
10:94-95
If you are in doubt about what We revealed to you, ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt. And do not be of those who deny God’s revelations, lest you become one of the losers.
May I point out that the Bible is called al kitab al muqaddas in Arabic, literally, the Holiest of Books. Do you agree?
@@T.m513 The Quran says: "No one can change the words of God." (Sura 6.34 Al-An'_am [The flocks]). [In Arabic reads: "Là mubaddìla: lìkalima:t Allah," 6:34].
So if you are right the Quran is wrong. The truth is, The Quran proclaims that the Bible is the word of God in many places. (Surah 3:3; Surah 4 ) And, the Quran accepts the Bible as authentic in the 6th Century C.E. when the Quran was composed. If it was acceptable in Muhammed's time, suggesting that it had not yet become corrupted and mistranslated, what do we say of translations today based on manuscripts preceding the birth of Islam?
Thousands of copies of scripture predate the Quran by centuries. When compared, as they carefully have been, with later copies, there are in fact no substantial changes in the text - no change in the meaning of the words either.
You appear to be repeating what others have told you, not what you have checked and researched for yourself. The claim of Muslims that Allah gave the Torah, the Psalms and the Injil, but then was too weak to protect its contents from imperfect sinful humans is a weak claim/excuse that dishonors the God you claim to honor and acknowledge as having no limits to his power or wisdom.
Why do Muslims claim he was weak and incapable of preserving the Torah, the Psalms and the Injil (though the ancient copies of each in fact prove that they WERE properly preserved, but then ask people to believe that the same God who was overpowered by weak and corrupt imperfect humans, WAS able to preserve the Quran.
Why does God suddenly become powerful after being so weak that he could be overpowered by imperfect humans prior to the Quran?
Are you willing to use the same standard for both books, or do you, like most Muslims, favor a double standard in favor of the Quran?? So God could and did preserve the Quran accurately, but could not and did not do so with the scriptures that preceded it?? Double standard.
“He has revealed to you the Book with the truth, confirming the scriptures which preceded it; for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel for the guidance of men, and the distinction between right and wrong.” (Surah 3:2, NJD)
Also what book of the Bible do you say we don’t know who wrote it? Thanks.
@@T.m513 So is God so weak he can’t preserve his Word when he says he would even in your Quran?
I don’t think those who called themselves Christians really followed Christ or his teachings. The vast majority still don’t. Many have images and idols and the Bible says not to make them or use them in worship.
So on Judgement Day, I'm just curious how many do you think will be on the throne?
Excellent question. Really want to hear what a triniterian answer to this.
Just one. JESUS Christ.
Read carefully Daniel 7. The Ancient of days (Father) gave power to the Son of man (JESUS) so all people from around the world should serve Him (JESUS)
@@WhoIsLikeHim Are you a Triniterian, Uniterian or oneness?
@@iamfunnyipromise9605 trinitarian. I believe in one God. But at the same time there are 3 persons in that one God.
When God show himself to us, just one God will appear! But when God spoke to us, we know He have three consciousness'.
Each of them can be differentiate from one another but cannot be separated from one another.
And man are created in that image.We cannot live alone, we are independent but dependent on one another at the same time. But we can be separated but God cannot be separated.
@@iamfunnyipromise9605 I believe in trinitarian cause bible itself tells that. I don't know why we are divided by this. The bible itself is so clear about that.
Read carefully Daniel 7. In that chapter 2 persons appeared, who are they?
I was buying a car yesterday and was all going well. I was signing the title and he started talking about the Trinity. Come to find out, he was a Oneness Pentecostal. He tried convincing me for an hour and a half all while holding the title without his signature. He kept trying to prove his point, but every point he made actually just affirms the Trinity. He was saying that Jesus is the name of God and he was here on earth and was killed. He actually couldn't answer who Jesus was praying to, or how God gave his only son for the world. Seems like his beliefs were actually in line with a trinity, but he has some twisted way of understanding it I guess. I tried to explain that we don't believe there are 3 separate Gods or anything, just one God... 3 in 1. He told me I was a polytheist and that anyone who believed in the Trinity was going to Hell... Weirdest vehicle purchase I have ever made.
You're both wrong lol
Whether people believe in the Trinity or not, when they die they all end up in hell. Even Jesus did when he died (Acts 2:27). It just refers to the GRAVE. Compare various translation of the cited scripture.
Isn't it obvious that many have varying views on what the Trinity means. This was introduced by tha RCC. It surely boils down to a blind faith, doesn't it.
Here are Jesus' words which should help us get an accurate knowledge on whom we worship:
John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know,
See also John 17:3 which clearly shows that we must get to know God and Jesus Christ if salvation is desired. They are two SEPARATE individuals.
Just hope the above helps reason.
@@tongakhan230 Good for you Tonga.
@@tongakhan230 JESUS gave a true story of Abraham's bosom with Lazarus and the rich man. A paradise Abraham's bosom with an impassable chasm separate your future habitation being torment side of hell. 1st Peter 3:19 "By which also HE went and preached unto the spirits in prison".
@@rickhuntling7338 : If we read that allegorical account, some questions need be asked IF we want to believe that is a true account.
Why is belief in Jesus which is paramount for being saved not even mentioned?
From where did the water come?
How is it that someone on one side can stretch his hand and give this water to someone on the other side without getting his hand burned if a literal fire existed?
How do people who are actually dead conduct a conversation?
Luke 16:31 gives a clue.
Jesus was targeting TWO LIVING GROUPS who have had their roles changed (DEATH) after Jesus arrived.
Jesus was dead and nonexistent for parts of three days UNTIL God resurrected him.
He couldn't do any travelling or preaching as he didn't exist during that time.
Here is the verse before.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT.
God resurrected Jesus back into his angelic spirit form. It was IN THIS SPIRIT FORM that Jesus could leave this earth and visit the fallen angels and tell them that he had accomplished God's purpose and that they had lost out.
1 Peter 3:19 And IN THIS STATE he went and preached to the spirits in prison,
God won't give us a book that has contradictory teachings.
Hope this is helpful.
I'm only 2 minutes in but I want to add something.
Mike you say that there are more people who criticize the trinity than there are defending it.
Well, I think this is a perfect time to call out pastors out there. This fault is not all of us because it is ALL of our duty to study the Bible, however, pastors take it upon themselves to seek leadership roles in preaching the Bible and many pastors are not preaching what is taught in this video and its a real shame. Mayne they themselves do not know how to defend it which is also a real shame.
yep, they cant defend it. Because they are learning in a religious system. the spirit of pharisee is still at work
The author of the TRINITY IS NIMROD ? ? ? THE OPPOSER OF JEHOVAH ? ? ? BEWARE OF THE WING NUT PAGAN TWIST the TRINITY teachings are a terrible risk. ? ? DON'T put your faith in it or future will be brisk ? ? 😨😲 😳
Actually there is nothing to criticize about the trinity. It does it by its own definition.
It is found in many cultures and religions in some form.
Here is a simple unambiguous statement of truth from someone who grew up with Jesus and certainly knew Jesus very well.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20.
Unless no one actually saw Jesus, he logically couldn't have been God even for a moment.
I trust this helps.
@@tongakhan230 Correct. John 4:24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; (God does not have the potential to lie) neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Jesus Christ had the potential to lie because he had free will. Jesus Christ was tempted in all things like as we are but he chose to obey and believe. Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: Hebrews 4:15 says that Jesus Christ was tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin. So he had the potential to lie, and to be tempted to lie. Otherwise the comfort that Hebrews seems to be giving to the believer (hey don't feel bad when you are tempted even the saviour was - is nothing but a ruse). There are two fallacies that Mike employs at the very beginning of his video. The true scottsman fallacy and the arguing from authority. Both are so clear in his labeling anyone that disagrees with his position as a cultist (even though this trinitarian belief actually is a cultist belief ripped from the pagans themselves and palmed off as truth after 300 years of doctrinal development.
@@mcozzieman : True! Satan knew that Jesus was his fellow angel and reasoned that if he (ie Satan) could fall, another son of God could.
'"If you are a son of God etc etc" - Matthew 4:3,6.
If Jesus couldn't sin, then the temptations were a charade with Jesus in on the deception. Peter's words wouldn't make any sense.
1 Peter 2:21 In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely. 22 HE COMMITTED NO SIN, nor was deception found in his mouth. 23 When he was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When he was suffering, he did not threaten, but he entrusted himself to the One who judges righteously.
Peter is urging Christians to use Jesus as a MODEL to follow. Although he could sin, he DIDN'T. But kept his integrity to God.
It’s wild how you can hear something a 1000 times growing up. Yet it takes hearing it 1001 time to blow your mind. This video really blessed me, I’m still in awe. And that trinity diagram was dope!
Thanks Pastor Mike!
Spirit of deception 1000 times. Holy Spirit 1 time😇😇😇
Pastor disaster ain't a scriptural master ? ? ? 😁 😂 😉 👎 👎 👎 😨😱😈
( 171 ) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
( 172 ) Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together.
173 ) And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper.
( 174 ) O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light.
Surat Annisaa (The Women), Holy Qur'an.
Quran 4:171)Allah knows no trinity in Christianity !! Here Allah proves he is a Trinity !! And Jesus is two thirds of the Allah Trinity !! But Alalh knows no trinity in Christianity !! Alalh believes Christians believe in 3 gods Allah + Jewish HERCULES (because Allah doesn't know that God became man!) + Maria!
@@lwmaynard5180 neither are you.
I could hear you talking, but all I could see was myself. My wife traveled to Europe for business for 2.5 weeks in August/September and I went completely off the rails. I have only been back on for 3 days now. Carb addiction is real, brother. What I have to constantly remind myself of is that an alcoholic or heroin addict knows that drinking/using just once can cause a relapse and carbs are no different. We will always be recovering carboholics and need to constantly remind ourselves of that fact. Because of my health issues, I KNOW how significantly carbs affect me; still, I want to eat ALL OF THEM. I'm a retired paramedic and know full well and first hand what the detrimental effects of inflammation are. I'm an addict and so are you. Give yourself some grace. I'll be praying for you, my Christian brother! Please pray for me, too. 🙂 I'm more than happy to provide you my cell number if you want an accountability partner aside from Cassie. My wife is my primary just as Cassie is for you, but I know how different it is with having another brother to be accountable to. Love you, brother! I'll also post this response on Facebook for the algorithm. 🙂
Dude read the room. How is your personal struggle with food at all related to the topic?
I'm a "hebrew roots" individual myself whom sometimes wrestled with father and son scriptures but growing up catholic, The Trinity was always big for me even now. This video was a blessing. thank you. May YaHUaH bless you in Yeshua's name!!
I've been studying on the trinity for a while now and can I just say that there is a genuine need for thorough comprehensive study of the fundamental Bible truths we hold. People rely so much on the Pope, pastors, prophets and others to teach them the Bible, that they are prone to putting the pastor's word above the Lord's. We need to study the Bible ourselves through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have to allow God to speak for Himself.
This is what God has opened my eyes to, now I see why sometimes Athiests and Agnostics and people of other faith think Christians are brainwashed, because we rather rely on pastors and church leaders to teach us about God other than having a relationship with God, studying His word, and questioning the doctrines that we are taught. The Lord laid it on my heart to tell you this. To tell anyone that would listen this. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one.
It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion
The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches)
and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it.
(notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
read the early church fathers.
Appreciate this and all your videos taking the time in properly defending our sacred Protestant faith. You are loved!
( 171 ) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
( 172 ) Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together.
173 ) And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper.
( 174 ) O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light.
Surat Annisaa (The Women), Holy Qur'an.
Might be good to check out what the first Century Christians believed.
John was not only the beloved apostle of Jesus but also a close relative. Here is what he wrote:
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. I understand that ANY TIME takes in ALL POSSIBILITIES. Jesus was SEEN.
BTW the Trinity was a RCC baby. The Protestants borrowed it when they broke away.
Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230 Uh, where does Scripture tell us that the apostle John was related to Jesus? Futhermore, the verses from 1 John pertain to someone seeing God in His full glory (think back to Moses' encounters with God in Exodus). John wrote about Jesus as the God-Man at length, just look at John 1 alone. I hope this helped clarify that passage for you!
@@angelt.5276 : Did John write 'No man has SEEN God in his full glory' or 'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME'?
Why twist John's words to make them mean something else. AT ANY TIME will include (if possible) God in his Full, Half, or Zero glory. Even if God changed into a bird, angel or human. HE HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN.
Moses was told by God:
(Exodus 33:20) But (God) added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
Did Moses respond: "But Lord. Many have seen you, I included, yet we never blew out of existence!"
NO! Because Moses knew that humans can never SEE God and continue to exist.
He knew that all the so-called sightings of 'God' were ANGEL ENVOYS from God.
Let us take a familiar incident.
Exodus 3:2 Then JEHOVAH'S ANGEL appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush. As he kept looking, he saw that the thornbush was on fire, and yet the thornbush was not consumed
4 When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.” 5 Then he said: “Do not come any nearer. Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy ground.”
Who is it that Moses records as Jehovah and God speaking? Was it Jehovah himself? The answer is at the start. It was Jehovah's ANGEL.
Remember Moses wrote many of those historic incidents.
When the President send his Envoy to deliver a warning message to a leader of another country, the Newspapers state 'The President told so-and-so...' However, the ACTUAL WORDS were spoken NOT BY THE PRESIDENT but by HIS ENVOY.
These angels were SENT by God. They did not come on missions of their own. That is why their words are said to be those of God's.
Jesus too was SENT by God. He did not come on a mission of his own. That is why he constantly said:
John 4:34 Jesus said to them: “My food is to do THE WILL OF HIM (ie God) WHO SENT ME and to FINISH HIS WORK.
John 14:24 Whoever does not love me does not observe my words. The word that you are hearing IS NOT MINE, but belongs to the Father WHO SENT ME.
This may come to mind:
John 19:30 When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “IT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.
(Jesus accomplished what God has SENT him to do).
About John being the cousin of Jesus:
3. The apostle John, son of Zebedee and, it seems, Salome (compare Mt 27:55, 56; Mr 15:40) and brother of the apostle James-likely James’ younger brother, as James is usually named first where both are mentioned. (Mt 10:2; Mr 1:19, 29; 3:17; 10:35, 41; Lu 6:14; 8:51; 9:28; Ac 1:13) Zebedee married Salome of the house of David, possibly the natural sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.
When Jesus was about to die:
John 19:26 So when Jesus saw HIS MOTHER and THE DISCIPLE WHOM HE LOVED standing nearby, he said to his mother: “Woman, see! Your son!” 27 Next he said to the disciple: “See! Your mother!” And from that hour on, the disciple took her into his own home.
Jesus handed over the care of his mother to John because he was family and believed Jesus. Jesus' half brothers were still not his disciples. Mary's spirituality was Jesus' concern.
@@tongakhan230
The angel of the LORD is the manifestation of God just like Jesus
What will you say about Abraham he directly talks to the LORD
God in his spirit form is invisible he can only be seen of he manifests hims
When I was born again God revealed to me the He is the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Since it was God that revealed the truth to me I'll take His words for it not man's words. God bless you brother Mike.
Good try ,but its a failure. Trinity is NOT Biblical and it contradict this verse. Its just bloody CONFUSING. Its Bleshemy.
1 Corinthians 14:33
King James Version
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
@@Roy-oc3ll Dude, that is a complete non sequitur and does not follow logically at all.
@@Roy-oc3ll Phhht God has knows your heart❤ He knows mine too.
@@Roy-oc3llsorry mate, but that's not a good argument at all. That verse is usuallyused in the joke "if God isn'tthe author of confusionthen he isn'tthe authorof the bible" but it'sjust flat out a bad argument.
The Trinity is not biblical though, but people are good at arguing whatsoever they please. You can find people with actual logic and scripture to back up many opposing beliefs.
Many people all over the world believe whatever their mind feeds them when they pray. It's not surprising you are just another gullible person who believes things based on that same method of evidence. Anyone listening to this video would be way better off believing it because of logic, scripture and it's confirmation by thousands of others to serve as confirmation bias.
Im at a pentecostal oneness church but did not know what they believed about the trinity, baptism and tongues until months later. I was at classical christrian pentecostal church when I met my wife for years until we moved and began to the oneness church and is when i found out my wife was a oneness pentecostal. I had NEVER heard of oneness pentecostal so I was completely taken by surprise and had a crisis of faith that took me into a year study of the core doctrine of the faith after which I held strong to the orthodox christian stance on the trinity, baptism and tongues. This literally almost lead to a divorce. Im still there for now to keep the peace in my home but where I am apparently oneness churches are prevalent. Pastor Winger is correct that we need to do MUCH better in teaching core doctrine. Ironically the oness of god was taught at bible study yesterday and he literally said everywhere you see the word "son" substitute it with the word "flesh". I thought I could reason with them but they are HEAVILY indoctrinated and consider the teachings of the trinity vain philosophy. Thank yoy for touching upon this topic!
Look up babylonian trinity that what you worship.
Thank God! This is so refreshing by the way! God bless
Thats not all... Why does Jesus not know about the hour of Judgment? But The Father in heaven only knows... That doesnt sound as coequal to me.
Why did Jesus declined to be called Good and attributed Good to The Father in heaven only?
Why did Jesus say My God My God why have you forsaken me?
@@axript You always come up with the same verse so it becomes almost boring to talk to you Unitarians (Muslims).
Matthew 24:36 (Mark 13:32) is a good example that God is a triune God (three persons and yet one: God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
When Jesus spoke these words (from Mt 24:36 and Mk 13:32) to the disciples, even he did not know the date and time of his coming. Although Jesus was perfectly God at his incarnation (John 1:1, 14), he voluntarily renounced the exercise of certain divine attributes (Philippians 2: 6-8). He did not show them unless they were in accordance with the will of the Father (Jn 4:34; 5:30; 6:38). He demonstrated his omniscience on several occasions (cf. Jn 2:25; 3:13), but he voluntarily limited it to the things that God let him know during his human existence (Jn 15:15). So it was with regard to the date and time of his return. After his resurrection, Jesus again accepted his complete divine knowledge (cf. Mt 28:18; Acts 1,7)
Check these passages and you will understand. God bless you!
@@axript And Jesus did not say that he himself is not GOOD but he confirms that only GOD is good. Among other things, Jesus said:
I am the GOOD Shepherd. A good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.(John 10:11)
Who is GOOD besides GOD? Nobody. Who is the GOOD Shepherd? Jesus Christ. Who is the only one who is GOOD? God. Who is GOOD? Jesus Christ = GOD in FLESH.
I'm glad you admit that there is a problem with the trinity
Right, because there is no problem with the truth.
The problem is human failed to understand the word of God. GOD IS ONE BUT WHAT MONO MEAN. ONE WHAT?????. Human only failed in grammar words. Stupid isnt it?
There is a problem for those who don't understand the doctrine of the Godhead/Trinity
This is the most important doctrine in the Bible so if you don't get this one right you have nothing.
@@عبدالرحمن_الناصر I think your answers are in the video. Just watch it, if you want of course.
@Mike Winger, thank you for the video. Former Catholic, convert to JW. You are absolutely correct that many individuals that profess Christianity do not have answers for the questions you ask. I'm sure many will find your video useful. Many discussions, if approached in a kind and caring manner, can be positive experiences for all involved. Also, I do agree that it is not proper to "jump around" from verse to verse without really processing the current discussion. Additionally, your role play is an effective technique. No, I won't be going back to the Trinity, it is not taught in the Bible, but I appreciate your approach.
yes I agree
but their are certain scriptures about 35 to 55 scriptures
that support such a
doctrine as the trinity
in my studying scriptures I seen
2 types of Scriptures
trinity scriptures
and non trinity scriptures
I use to be a JW
I don't agree with JWS
about 1914 and
bible prophecies
I also don't believe in the trinity doctrine
@@infiniteinfinity5479 : Sorry! That comment is comical. 'Jesus is God in this and this scripture. But not in that and that'. That is a fiasco.
No one learns the truth and then departs from it in search of another truth. Makes no sense.
@@tongakhan230 So very true. Once you have seen the truth, you cannot unknow it.
@@staceygrove7295 :John 8:31 Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews WHO HAD BELIEVED HIM: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.”
The Jews were ALREADY God's dedicated people who 'claimed' to worship the God of their fathers, Jehovah.
The TRUTH FREES someone from false beliefs. Once someone is FREED how can he get himself free again? No one can convert TWICE. Makes no sense. It would mean that he used deception in the first 'conversion'. If he could deceive people with the first, what's there to stop him from doing it again.
@@tongakhan230 Once free from the entrapment of false religion you are aware of all the origins of unscriptural teachings, practices, and deception of Satan. And knowing Jehovah as we do...you could leave the truth, but the truth will NEVER leave you. Even if you don't practice it or say anything about it, it is ALWAYS there and you NEVER see the world around you through any other eyes again. Everything you see around you will take you back to it; like it or not.
So far this is one of the most informative explanation on an extremely difficult topic to understand great job.
Why didn't jesus and apostles explain it?
@@AstariahJW Jesus did explain it, and ask some of the apostles and other writers to pen it down in the (Bible). You must understand, God used other men to author the Bible, however, he makes it very clear that it is his word and that the Bible the whole Bible is inspired by him and is living. I hope that answers your question..
@@KJVAV1611 I'm not debating if God wrote the bible or not
I know God inspired with his holy spirit to use men to pen his thoughts
But he never inspired them to write that he is a trinity god
If it was so important that we know his nature is trinity he would tell us
But he doesn't
It's not hard to write it
An honest, clear statement of the Trinity Doctrine would be:
"For there are three persons who compose the only true God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And these three persons are the One God."
It isn't a difficult statement for anyone to write, let alone an inspired Bible writer. But you will never see that (or anything close to it) in the inspired scriptures.
Bible warns look out for false teachers
They come in sheeps clothing but inside they are wolves to disrupt the flock
Would God be so cruel to give us eternal life on knowing him john 3:17 and then not be able to attain that gift because hes a mystery god that we can not know?
@@AstariahJW OK I’m confused now, your first statement said why did Jesus and his apostles not explain to us the Trinity. We must take the Bible at Faith. There are things in the Bible that are indeed mystery, God tells us this. He also says that in due time, we will understand these mysteries, but it is not for us to know now. I believe the Trinity is one of those things. We do not have to know every intricate detail only that there is but one God and he has made up of the father, the son and Holy Spirit. We take that upon faith and believe it, if you choose not to then so be it. please quit trading comments with me. It isn’t me that you must be speaking to.
@@KJVAV1611 Jehovah God never said hes a mystery in a strick sense so when wouldn't understand him
Christendom still dont understand the trinity after 2000 years so how can it be revealed to us ?
The trinity dogma developed in 4th century through creeds
It's not what jesus and apostles taught
Jesus warned that a falling away from truths would happen after apostles died
The great apostasy would unfold
I know this was so long ago, but I am just now watching it. I have GREATLY enjoyed watching you. I have for a long time. I say that to say this: at about 1:05:00 you touch on why to believe. You soooo humbly state that you do, because God's word SAYS TO. I was so blown away. You are obviously a VERY in depth believer, BUT your knowing that Christianity is a foundation of faith in our God, is uncanny. I watch you, because of the wisdom God gives you, to spread. When you got REALLY humble, at around 1:05:00 and said along the lines of how do you know? Because God's word said it! I uncontrollably burst into tears. I do not know why. You are awesome, and given the knowledge, wisdom, and understanding to bring God's glory, to us. God bless you, and may you continue to prosper, in all that you do, to the glory of God!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
This dude knows jesus
I have moments when he says something it just like ah it hits my heart and I become filled with joy and actually not in a long time have I listened to someone teach. Non stop for like 3 hrs I been listening to this dude. Super good spirit filled man right here. Brother in the LORd.
As someone from the “other side of the aisle” I don’t find being prejudicially labeled as a cult member being very inviting lol With that being said, as a Unitarian, this was a great breakdown of the Trinity and makes space for a lot of common ground and “agreeing to disagree”. Great video and appreciate what you’re doing on this platform.
A cult isn't as much as a negative in religion as it is in the way you are thinking of. A cult in religion is an offspring of any religion, that claims to be the original, even when it takes away the official "original " doctrine of the said religion. I'm a non-denominational Christian, and I'll agree to disagree with you on religion, but by religious definition, you are a cult member.
There is no common ground dude. Unitarianism is under the spirit of anti-Christ. Repent.
@@alekjwrgnwekfgn Consider me converted. Thanks man 🤙🏽
@@amgcp I’m happy to hear you are now practicing biblical doctrine.
@@agentclol That’s an eloquently thought out definition of the word “cult”, but I’m afraid that’s not the one that made it to the dictionary. Assuming all definitions of the English language are objective, the Unitarian sect of Christianity fits under the definition of a cult as much as the Trinitarian sect of Christianity.
Thank you brother!!
Great approach and great reasoning. It is so important to know the Bible and be able to refute these questions from those who don't.
Have saved the video and will study it in greater depth.
God bless you and muliply your work.
Don't study this video, study the bible itself, and don't rely on any other external work to understand this subject. God is NOT a trinity! Read the book of John carefully with pauses.
@@Mawuli_Tameklo I do study the Bible. Interesting that you bring up the book of John ... ever taken a peek at the first chapter?
@@nikkibikkixo I agree. The first chapter is great to show how the trinity theory is wrong. And even more proven with the rest of the chapters.
And then, even more so when you look at the whole gospel.
But back to John. Who is the God with at Jo. 1:1?
When Jesus ascended to heaven who told him to sit at my right hand until I put your enemy's at your feet ? Why is it so difficult for you to except Jesus is the only begotten son of God and why does God have his own name Yahweh /Jehovah . You are following pagen rubbish.
@@garryellison9438 Thank you brothers. I don't understand why with everything the bible says, even though the bible doesn't consider God, Jesus the Messiah, and the holy spirit as trinity, they keep using that word and doctrine to refer to them?
you are smart. God Bless you. I also love the way you explain things. You make the answers user friendly.
I wish there was a way to like a video this 100 times! This is such an encouraging and God glorifying message! Thank you for your ministry Pastor Mike!
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Which is, is not, which is, is not.
You talk about confusion .
Plain and sample there’s one God and one begotten son of God .
That one God ( The Father/Spirit) is inside the son of God ( That man/flesh) reconciling the world into himself .
The body of Jesus now takes on the titles of the one God, such as Lord, Christ, God, The Name of The Spirit, which is Jesus and etc. ( Acts 2:36) ( Hebrews 1:4).
People watch pastor Gina Jennings, to learn more Truth, we’re leaving in the last days you better make sure.
Study the history of where the Trinity came from , it did not come from Bible. The Trinitarian when you tell them to explain the trinity, they just tell you it’s a ministry, and they are right. The Bible speaks about mystery babbling were even the pagan Trinity came from. The Catholic Church with conquering the world spreading Christianity they adopted the holidays and Ash Wednesday lent Friday, the Trinity and etc. from the pagans and all that bundled up trash today is called Christianity which is the children of Catholicism. People quit being lazy and do your research here in the information age we’re not in the Stone Age , ice age we are in the information age you have no excuse.
God called us to be Holy not Christianity. If you look at the scriptures were king, Nebuchadnezzar had the dream of the statue. Rome was in power with military, might, at the thighs and legs, which was iron. But at the feet Rome became worldwide dominant not through military, but through religion. if you do studying you’ll find out that’s where Christianity is that’s why there is married Clay and iron mingle together. But if you notice the scripture said that the stone will come from heaven is strike the statue at the legs bringing the statue down that stone is Jesus Christ.. I hope you’re getting this. Christianity is not of the true Jesus Christ of the Bible. Because he’s not going to bring down in destroy his own people. They’re preaching another Jesus that’s what Paul warn the church about that was going to happen. Read ( 2 Corinthians 11:4). Again, please watch Pastor Gino genius to learn more truth.
It was based upon lies
@@winstongrettum3412 Name the lies.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 he said God is three persons yet can you or him give one scripture where God described himself as three persons? If you can't, then it's clear that the doctrine is a lie and made up by men.
Mike Winger, thank you so much. I have been saved since 1987 and love the Lord with all my being. However, I am dyslexic and have Irlen syndrome, and reading the Bible is a laborious task as is all books. I love audio books and love listening to lectures like RC Sproul etc. I love your presentation, and how you break everything down and make it so understandable. I could literally listen all day! Lots of information and will likely have to listen again and take notes. But wanted to let you know how much I personally appreciate you and your ministry. Blessings!
How are you saved? It isn't the end yet.
@@StretchMn bro delete your comment, respectfully.
@@nickmartin6116 Why?
@@StretchMn either delete or rephrase, in ita current state it only seems negative or insulting to the original poster as if you are denying the fact he is saved or making a joke of it. I would rephrase it to better convey your intention if it was positive. I don't mean any disrespect but your lacks a base for others to understand it
@@nickmartin6116God bless you brother
ILove this scripture.John14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
the word trinity is not in the holy words proverbs 30:5,6 all who accept the trinity will and have denied the God of Jesus
@@bretherenlee1404 Yup. The Trinity requires outside interpretation of The Bible and cannot be justified solely by in scripture within The Bible.
@@hariman7727 therefore it is a violation of the holy words proverbs 30 verse five and six
@@bretherenlee1404 agreed!
To me the trinity is so far from everything else and that speaks to its truth, because if there was an almighty being why would they be anything like creation. Love the video man!
God is not like creation, in that he is Almighty. The Bible is here for God to tell us how we should view Him.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
(Deuteronomy 6:4) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
I like to use the 🥚 it’s completely an egg, but if you separate it,
its an egg shell
Its an egg white
Its an egg yolk
You can, with the Word & maybe help from a friend in Christ, go into more detail - but this is usually a relief to help people understand something that is completely Supernatural in a human way. Lord give us a desire to know You & help us ! In Jesus name anen!
This is a fantastic analogy! I feel like Christian's have a difficult time communicating with non followers because this topic is so difficult for people to understand even for us followers.
This would be a good example, if there were merely three parts (or aspects) to the one God. But, the Trinity teaches three separate PERSONS.
That’s why the Roman Church invented the word triUNITAS, because they believed in three distinct PERSONS who worked in UNITY.
There is nothing in all of creation that reflects that kind of relationship - except when there are three separate people or animals acting in unison. But, even then, that only makes them one in purpose.
There’s no way for the human mind to comprehend three separate, distinct persons being the same thing.
Not only does such a notion belie both common sense and nature, but it’s not even something Scripture teaches - hence, why Jews have never believed in a Triunity of Persons.
And, it’s THEIR book.
About THEIR God.
And, THEIR Messiah.
I’m afraid an egg doesn’t offer a better understanding of the Catholic Trinity.
Except if you seperate any of it, it's not an egg...... or it's a broken egg.....
I get what you’re saying & it’s true that there’s nothing actually like the Trinity because it’s not a human/earthly concept. It’s a God thing. However, when trying to teach & understand even the smallest notion of what the Trinity is for our human brains, I found that the egg is a good way to show how something can be simultaneously 1 thing and 3 things. The uncracked egg is easily recognizable.
Say I crack that egg and separate the (clear) egg white into 1 bowl and the (yellow) egg yolk into a different bowl. And don’t forget the shell in the 3rd bowl!
I then have 3 separate but equal parts of 1 object. If people look in my bowls they recognize each part-
EGG shell
EGG white
EGG yolk
Not only that, but they each have different purposes! The EGG shell now has many uses but I usually crush mine up and put it in the soil when I plant flowers and herbs;
The EGG whites are mixed with sugar and cream of tartar and beat into a meringue;
The EGG yolk is used for baking usually or fried!
So see, they are all the EGG, but they work apart, as well.
I am not a Bible scholar. I am just a Mom & now a MawMaw who loves the Lord. I make every effort to never put forth any thoughts or words that would go against the Lord or His holy word. This egg analogy just makes plain sense to me & in trying to explain the concept of the Trinity. I pray it continues to help people understand how awesome our God is!
In Jesus name, Amen 🙏 ❤🇺🇸✝️
I love when he says, at 13:01, "There aren't three gods in one God, that's just a contradiction, that doesn't make a lot of sense...". And a little later "There are three persons in one God". Oh yeah!!! That makes perfect sense! ;)
Human beings cannot comprehend all the mysteries of God, yet that shouldn't stop us from trying to understand Him. When we use words such as "persons" that is our way of trying to explain Him the best we can. It may be imperfect, but that is because we are imperfect.
@@jzak5723 We don't understand all the mysteries of God, but we have to accept this doctrine of the holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church... and that of the author of this video...
We have to accept that it doesn’t make sense to be three gods, but it makes sense to have one god who are three people...
Well it's true, weather your tiny brain can comprehend it or not
David Pinheiro You raise an interesting point. It would be illogical to say God is both 1 and 3 in the same way and sense. That's why it would be incorrect to say that there is only 1 God and 3 Gods at the same time, or only 1 being and 3 beings, or only 1 person and 3 persons. Rather than saying any of those statements, the Trinity states that there are 3 persons and 1 being. Since a being is not the same thing as a person there is no contradiction. I hope this clarifies it for you, and, if not, let me know where you think there is a problem with that definition of the Trinity.
Also, Mike Winger in this video made no appeal to the authority of the Catholic Church or to his own authority. You can think he is a crazy person or an unbeliever; that doesn't affect the arguments he made. You actually gave an ad-hominem fallacy rather than an argument. We believe the Trinity, not because it is told to us by some human authority, but because it is clearly taught in the word of God. I hope you ponder what I said and have a wonderful day!
@@kingdomintheculture5075 can you, please, define "being" and "person"? Thanks.
I get the first born thing now reading a book called “misreading scripture with individualist eyes” this happens because of our western minds we think “first born” as a chronological order but in the East when they hear this they hear a title of inheritance, there’s several scriptures that we miss the thing the author is trying to highlight due to our modern western society and understanding trying to understand things that they in the authors time understood without explanation.
… and the Jewish and Arab “eastern mind” is ALWAYS monotheistic. That monotheistic mind never tries to wrangle three to be one.
@@richarddevoe4707 that’s untrue. The ancient Jews did recognize that God was multi personal, if you don’t believe me look at proverbs 30:4.
You would also have to explain why messianic Jews accept the trinity as true. Which btw trinitarians ARE monotheist.