Great video! I really enjoyed the previous deep-dives into different faction character combinations - relics, traits, stratagems. Your strategy discussion about list building for accomplishing secondaries has made things so more efficient for me recently. I've only had a handful of matched play games and recently found making lists "for" secondaries has shifted the flow so much better. Everything else seems to fall into place from there like the relics, traits and stratagems to have in mind. Going through your content has really helped to join the dots in my early matched play experience thank you. Well done on the wins!
New Csm player here, I was so lost figuring out this army and how to play it. Now thanks to your videos I'm begining to understand how to play the army, thanks and keep up!🎉
Very good stuff! I like how you are both giving context, and still beeing succinct! How married are you to the decimators? I like my raptors with two meltas :) could raptors, In your opinion, substitute the decimators in similar strategy?
Thanks mate! It is a good feeling to be representing your nation on the international stage! I look forward to bringing some good old Aussie culture to the European tabletops!
@@BlogForTheBloodGod hey Dean I wanted to let you know I got my dad and brother subscribing to your channel my guy, we support you and your success for sure.
Lately I've actually been getting really good results with my Iron Warriors by leaning into the Noctilith Crown. It lets me make some unbelievably tanky Accursed Cultists and helps with my CP economy by guaranteeing me an extra 1 per battle round with my Dark Apostle. It benefits from obscuring because it has the vehicle keyword and it's T8 with a 4+ invuln so it's incredibly tanky for it's points cost. Obviously it plays worse on maps that have a whole lot of tightly packed terrain, since I still need to place it 3" away from other pieces, but I'm usually able to place it at the front edge of my deployment zone behind some obscuring terrain. Curious what your thoughts are on this.
Thanks mate, it is an honour to represent the country! I will be playing in the Warmaster Singles event then working hard as a coach to help bring Australia back to back gold medals
So, statistically you're likely to get a center objective map in Arks to run the warp ritual strategy. In what direction do you pivot when you get a map without a center objective? Stay the course and try to spread onto an objective, or go with something completely different say psychic interrogation on something. Thanks again!
I love that Chaos is getting wins, but once again its Abaddon and brick Terminators. Otehrwise it use to be EC. DO yo see a list of undivided without Abaddon now?
First off mate congrats on the wins. Second, do you have any broad principles for success in CSM that could be generically applied to most legions. Basically do's and don'ts and an overall gameplan?
I actually think most legions play like complete different armies, so it is hard to have a broad principle that applies to all CSM. One simple one is to lean heavily on strategic reserves, I did a masterclass on it recently because I think it is massively under rated
Why are Warp Talons the same cost of Possessed. Lesser S, lesser T, lesser D, but do get 3" better move and re roll wounds. Are they worth it in point comparison.
Running my Black Legion against some Nids tomorrow. The mortals have me shaking in my boots! Delightful Agonies is really my only defense. Also, should I just be abandoning psychic secondaries???
@@BlogForTheBloodGod the end result was turning the possessed into corsairs for a turn and punching their zoanthropes in the face, severely hampering their psychic test buffs, so yeah...that latter one, ha.
perhaps get a venom crawler in there to help with those dice on psyker abilities? i've worked on some alternatives to the termie focus part of this list since i dont have decimators. mix of venom crawlers/oblits. or perhaps a wardogs detachment.
Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you take 3 relics in AoO? Abaddon has to be your warlord and you only get two Gifts of Chaos in a Strike Force battle. Sorry if this is a dumb question.
I would love to hear your take on the Vashtorr stuff they recently released. According to most everyone it seems he's pretty shit, but would be fun to hear if you have any other takes/thoughts on him and his Army of renown.
@@Cursedsama There were some battle reports on reddit but it seems that even with a Greater Brass Scorpion, Vashtorr still was not able to make it work.
IRON WARRIOR MASTER CLASS!!!
Hahaha I'm such a tease aren't it
YES PLS
As an Imperial Fists & Custodes player I would love to see it to!
(I am building an Death Guard army so am I joining Chaos soon!)
I would love to see an iron warrior master class from you
Great video! I really enjoyed the previous deep-dives into different faction character combinations - relics, traits, stratagems. Your strategy discussion about list building for accomplishing secondaries has made things so more efficient for me recently. I've only had a handful of matched play games and recently found making lists "for" secondaries has shifted the flow so much better. Everything else seems to fall into place from there like the relics, traits and stratagems to have in mind. Going through your content has really helped to join the dots in my early matched play experience thank you.
Well done on the wins!
Thanks mate, I am glad I am able to help :)
Thanks for sharing all the great knowledge you have picked up.
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it
New Csm player here, I was so lost figuring out this army and how to play it. Now thanks to your videos I'm begining to understand how to play the army, thanks and keep up!🎉
Thanks for the feedback mate, glad you enjoyed it
Very good stuff! I like how you are both giving context, and still beeing succinct! How married are you to the decimators? I like my raptors with two meltas :) could raptors, In your opinion, substitute the decimators in similar strategy?
Thanks man, decimators are bae, they are such a good solution to a lot of hard targets
@@BlogForTheBloodGod will take that as a "no" then :D
Subscribed! I’m going up against a thousand sons army if you have any tips? I’m using black legion with Abaddon
Thanks for the video. What role do the raptors have in the list usually, just flying out early on objectives?
Either raising early Banners, screening characters or sometimes going into DS reserves for late game manoeuvres
@@BlogForTheBloodGod thank you
I'm glad you made it to the World Championship Dean you deserve it dude congratulations and good luck!
Thanks mate! It is a good feeling to be representing your nation on the international stage! I look forward to bringing some good old Aussie culture to the European tabletops!
@@BlogForTheBloodGod hey Dean I wanted to let you know I got my dad and brother subscribing to your channel my guy, we support you and your success for sure.
@@McNasty7100 haha thanks mate!
That's an awesome win rate. Wish my IWs can go past 50% with AoO but it does not look possible.
Yeah I'm convinced Black Legion is the only way to play CSM competitively
Lately I've actually been getting really good results with my Iron Warriors by leaning into the Noctilith Crown. It lets me make some unbelievably tanky Accursed Cultists and helps with my CP economy by guaranteeing me an extra 1 per battle round with my Dark Apostle. It benefits from obscuring because it has the vehicle keyword and it's T8 with a 4+ invuln so it's incredibly tanky for it's points cost. Obviously it plays worse on maps that have a whole lot of tightly packed terrain, since I still need to place it 3" away from other pieces, but I'm usually able to place it at the front edge of my deployment zone behind some obscuring terrain. Curious what your thoughts are on this.
Congrats mate on making the Australia team!
Thanks mate, it is an honour to represent the country! I will be playing in the Warmaster Singles event then working hard as a coach to help bring Australia back to back gold medals
So, statistically you're likely to get a center objective map in Arks to run the warp ritual strategy. In what direction do you pivot when you get a map without a center objective? Stay the course and try to spread onto an objective, or go with something completely different say psychic interrogation on something. Thanks again!
Stay the course, the Terminators cam generally spread onto other objectives so it's a non issue
@@BlogForTheBloodGod all right! I'll give it a go :)
I love that Chaos is getting wins, but once again its Abaddon and brick Terminators. Otehrwise it use to be EC. DO yo see a list of undivided without Abaddon now?
To be competitive I think Abaddon is still a must have
What would recommend to sub in for the decimators? FW isn’t easy to come by where I am and if I’m honest I don’t want to deal with the resin or prices
3D printers are your friend! They fill a fairly unique niche with their mortal wound output
First off mate congrats on the wins. Second, do you have any broad principles for success in CSM that could be generically applied to most legions. Basically do's and don'ts and an overall gameplan?
I actually think most legions play like complete different armies, so it is hard to have a broad principle that applies to all CSM.
One simple one is to lean heavily on strategic reserves, I did a masterclass on it recently because I think it is massively under rated
I just want to end with csm, you bring me back, thanks!
Hahaha nice
Why are Warp Talons the same cost of Possessed. Lesser S, lesser T, lesser D, but do get 3" better move and re roll wounds. Are they worth it in point comparison.
Running my Black Legion against some Nids tomorrow. The mortals have me shaking in my boots! Delightful Agonies is really my only defense. Also, should I just be abandoning psychic secondaries???
You can make yourself Word Bearers for a turn to get 5++ against their mortals, or just play hyper aggro and blow up their psykers lol
@@BlogForTheBloodGod the end result was turning the possessed into corsairs for a turn and punching their zoanthropes in the face, severely hampering their psychic test buffs, so yeah...that latter one, ha.
Could you take the apostol to the termis after veilbreaker plate teleport? It is the major problem to me. Thanks
I just advance the Apostle up and string the Terminators back
perhaps get a venom crawler in there to help with those dice on psyker abilities? i've worked on some alternatives to the termie focus part of this list since i dont have decimators. mix of venom crawlers/oblits. or perhaps a wardogs detachment.
I actually just decided to swap one helbrute for a VC for this list, although I'll likely be running World Eaters going forward
Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you take 3 relics in AoO? Abaddon has to be your warlord and you only get two Gifts of Chaos in a Strike Force battle. Sorry if this is a dumb question.
You get two gifts of Chaos plus the relic strategem from thr AoO book
@@BlogForTheBloodGod Oh! I missed that the relic strat didn't HAVE to be used on your warlord. Cool!
How do you deal with Fight Last abilities? for example DG Terminators with the character behind them giving Fight Last
Brute force generally works. MoS let's you still fight with CP interrupt too so depending on the situation you should be fine
@@BlogForTheBloodGod Fair enough mate. Strong effort with all the wins 💪
Question - ark of omen has 3 slots for the elites and this roster has 3 hellbrutes and terminators - how it is possible?
Elites are my primary, so you can have 6
You going to the risky rollers event this weekend?
Unfortunately I have work commitments, but I'll swing by to say hi after I am free
Are you thinking about including CKs as allies? wardogs I mean
Nah in Black Legion the decimators are way better
how many of this matches was nephilim? Is it out dated by nerfs and WE release...? thanks
Most of these were Arks of Omen, all bar Menza Masquerade.
Would you build cultists with firearms instead of melee if you could?
Nah I like the melee, but it doesn't really matter
You cant use the sacrificial dagger on Delightful Agonies as its not from the Malefic Discipline. Found this out yesterday!
Yeah I found this out a while ago when my mate misused it on a Battle Report
How do you heroic inter with BL ? Which stratagem or combo do you use ?
Bringers of despair ;)
@@thomaschallet6352 oh thank you !! I did not realize, but yeah if i'm elligible to fight i can pile in 3" ! make sense
Yeah it is not technically a heroic but functions very similar
So what I get from the title is nerfs incoming for them............ I just want my jumppack Lord back
We will see, CSM are scoring quite low so it will be hard to nerf Black Legion without nerfing already underperforming legions
@@BlogForTheBloodGod well it's obvious they'll dump on my legion, the sons of Curze get little love and less attention.
I would love to hear your take on the Vashtorr stuff they recently released. According to most everyone it seems he's pretty shit, but would be fun to hear if you have any other takes/thoughts on him and his Army of renown.
The Army of Reknown is interesting
@@BlogForTheBloodGod yeah feels like you could get something cool out of advance + shoot + charge with something really nasty
Congratulations Dean on making it to the World Championship. Good luck man!
@@Cursedsama There were some battle reports on reddit but it seems that even with a Greater Brass Scorpion, Vashtorr still was not able to make it work.
Great job!
Thanks mate
Dean is the main reason csm is staying above 40% lol
Haha we got this boys!
I played several games with main elements same list. Lose 100% XD
It's a very hard list to pilot and also relies on some very critical dice rolls lol
ope, dont have fancy FW models in my list....
Yeah the decimators are very very good
Black Legion isn’t the blood gods way. Pass
88% win rate? It’s enough to make a despoiler cry 🥲
And Kharn jealous
@@BlogForTheBloodGod very jealous