Saw and Luthen's conversation was amazing, the stubborness of Saw and his hatred of seperatists as well as Luthen's honesty with himself just for that moment and then when he started naming all the little rebel factions referring to the Ghorman front which we actually hear about in Rebels from Mon Mothma and even referring to human only cults, the prison stuff speaks for itself my favourite episode 100%
Andor is the gift that keeps on giving. I’ve loved every episode. This week had the perfect blend of characters and locations. I want Mon Mothma’s wardrobe and her glassware. Both are top notch. I agree with Steph that something is up with her daughter. I think she’s a little shady. Can’t wait to see how Andor gets out of prison!
I remember seeing a report on one of the Star Wars fansites a year ago that Andy Serkis was cast in Andor, but it didn't gain much traction. So I was really surprised and delighted to see him show up....
Some of the Andor writers must be fans of the Old Republic, First they mentioned the Rakata Species from KotOR in episode 4 and last night one of the Imperial Prison soldiers Talked about the Penal Colony Planet of Belsavis. Woule love to see them explore these places and stories (Korriban and Dromund Kass too) in other TV Shows/ films further down the track.
Part of what separates Andor is the dialogue flows from personal history, so it says a ton in a few lines. Bad dialogue is too on the nose to serve the plot, Gilroy never goes there. Tales same concept but with action, peel back the layers to give us backstory. You're right to blow off the detail police Kristian, what truly matters is insight, and that's where you, Steph, and Mike excel and why we're here.
Most of what I've found in other shows is essentially just a blow by blow of what occurred in that episode. I watch this for the discussion of it like I would have with my friends if I had any that watched Star Wars shows.
Andor continues to be awesome. Andor is bringing real depth and presence and fleshing out the machinations of the Empire on screen. It serves the greater Star Wars experience by showing what the rebels had to experience and give up in the fight. It is phenomenal. Tales of the Jedi was great for me. I loved the way they fleshed out Dooku. Kevin Kiner should be the man to take over from Williams one day. Happy Birthday to Mike. Hope he had a good one.
Thank you Sith Council!!! This week's episode of Andor was just simply fantastic!!! Can't wait for next weeks episode!!! Hope you guys have a great one!!! Happy Birthday to you Mike!!! 🎂 🥳🎂🥳🎂🥳
I find it really a neat detail that Dedra is doing to Syril exactly what Partagaz *initially* did to Dedra. She actually hasn't yet absorbed the lesson that she ironically helped Partagaz learn: Think and work outside the artificial structures. Especially given how willing Syril is. The Imperial way is hard to shake, it appears.
Another awesome Sith Council! Also, I'm loving the updated studio, Kristian! But might I suggest doing some cable management with the cables sticking out the back of the sound board? It's looking a bit cluttered. Could perhaps tie them together with some zip ties, or better yet feed them through a desk grommet. :)
i am so glad that they didn't jailbreak andor right away. They are really taking their time for andors transition and i love it. Malcolm x style, have jail be the last jab for andor to finally embrace the rebellion. I couldn't love this show more, it has far exceeded my expectations. Oh and f'n andy serkis man! what an actor
I like it when names are made up for characters in a movie/show in the discussions. It feels more genuine, like a conversation during lunch or something. Plus it’s just hilarious
Regarding Tales of the Jedi, it was actually really tricky for me to watch so soon after Andor, and I say this as a huge Clone Wars fan. First off, as usual I loved the new world building parts, especially the Togrutan village of Ahsoka's family. I also really enjoyed the Dooku episodes, and LOVED Yaddle -- need more with her, please! However I also couldn't help but notice that the Dooku episodes were covering a lot of the same themes of political nuance and class differences between Coruscant and distant worlds as Andor -- and Andor simply does it SO much better, with far richer characters, acting, and writing. Maybe unsurprisingly there's no nuance in Tales because the Jedi are rather different in non-subtle ways (lightsabers and all). But once I was able to get back into my animated shows mindset, I had a lot of fun. And gosh was it gorgeous. I can't wait for Bad Batch Season 2!
Another great show, Sith Council is my favorite podcast. I listened this morning on the treadmill and on the way to work. Love you guys! My only real comment I wanted to make is about the Linedlof movie. The biggest issue for me right now is who the villain is going to be. To me, one of the biggest issues with Disney Star Wars Canon is coming up with original villains that aren't the Empire/First Order or Sith. This has been especially an issue in the comic books, if you read the main Star Wars title. Some of their attempts to come up with original villains have been complete failures for me. We'll have to wait and see, hopefully they came up with something good.
I think what they’re building in the prison is more pieces of the prison in order to enlarge the prison. That seems like something the Empire would do.
Hey Kristian, great show. Love what you're doing. Keep it up! I think Luthen's assistant is going after Andor to kill him unbeknownst to Luthen. I think Luthen wants Andor for another reason, which he hasn't explained on screen yet. Notice that Luthen never talked about eliminating Andor, per se. And when Luthen's assistant approaches Vel, Vel keeps asking why Luthan wasn't there. I think Vel feels like she wants to hear it from the source. I think we'll find the assistant is working for someone other than Luthen or on her own to give Luthen pluasible deniability... more intrigue
Andy Serkis coming back to play another character to me is like Mark Hamill playing Luke in the films and then voicing Darth Bane in the Clone Wars. That being said I’m very much like you in the sense that I love Andy Serkis and I’m always happy to see him in anything he does. Loving Andor so far! Just watched Tales of the Jedi, and I’m really happy with these 2 new shows in the Star Wars universe. Can’t wait for more from both Andor and Tales of the Jedi, can’t wait for Star Wars: Visions as well. I feel like Visions and Tales of the Jedi are great shows to where you can do so many short stories in a couple of episodes that you can keep doing for a while. Sorry for the long text, I just have so many thoughts at the moment, really happy with what we’re getting right now! Love you guys! #SithCouncil
This show is like an onion, it just keeps peeling back layer upon layer of characterization. And surprises! We knew Forrest Whitaker was returning, but bringing back Andy Serkis and then the Melshi character, yet another Rogue One tie-in. Wow. I just can't wait for each episode of this incredible piece of television.
I think with Gareth Edwards in an interview he took a hiatus from filming, he has a SXSW TED talk that he does with is phenomenal! He hinted before his new film true love, that he wanted to take a break from Hollywood blockbusters and just re-adjust himself before doing something else, by the way he is a VFX genius when it comes to Godzilla & rogue one hell even monsters, which was his first indie film with a budget of 500,000$ he made that work. Let see how it goes for him.
Tales of the Jedi was good...but I still liked the Andor episode better. Even though the topics were more interesting (jedi/sith), I just don't get into animation as much as live action.
I just love this series. For me it make me feel like I am living in this actual galaxy. The feeling of oppression in the Empire regime. It gives greater weight now to Rogue One and the Original Trilogy. You knew the empire was bad but now to really feel it. The Jedi were in hiding so the people had to get together to fight back somehow and this show tells that story! Amazing!!
Just wanna say bro thanks for your guys convo on this episode I'm two weeks behind Just got caught. Usually after they im a bit lost after few tequilas lol but after watching this show and your guys take really got me stuck into it
20:40 Mike, if you think back to the briefing room scene aboard the Death Star in Ep4, you'll see all the dudes sitting at the table, and Tarkin is in charge, right? Vader is standing mostly on Tarkin's immediate right side and a bit behind him. Then there's general Tagg in the seat immediately to Tarkin's right. Vader is standing kinda inbetween the two of them blah blah..... ...To Tarkin's LEFT are also people. Two seats to Tarkin's left, is ISB Colonel Yularen.
For Kristian: sorry but Mike is right, here is the comment from Tony Gilroy “Tony Gilroy said to the @empiremagazine podcast that episode 7 is a “very interesting” one, episodes 8, 9 and 10 are another arc (like happened with episodes 1-3 and 4-6) and episodes 11 and 12 are the finale #Andor
If ol' Mike watched LOST to the end, he'd have received the answers. Whether he liked them or not is a different story, but folks who claim LOST never answered its mysteries had to have stopped paying attention at a certain point. Most "questions" that fans obsessed over ended up not being super integral to the plot, but still got answers without the show spoon-feeding them to you. And even then, the show DID spoon-feed some of the more important answers. And then there's Watchmen, which is one of the best seasons of TV i've seen in a while. I have all the faith in Lindelof taking on a Star Wars movie.
I’m wondering if it will be touched upon in the upcoming episode(s) of Andor, how the prison seems to be only housing human prisoners. It’s possible I didn’t notice an alien in episode 8 but I’m wondering if it’s intentional to illustrate the anti-alien bigotry in the Empire. Perhaps the places they send alien prisoners don’t have the same “pleasantries” that are given to the humans in the prison in this episode. Just pulling that from how it seemed to really show that every prisoner was human and that different prisoners were sent to different prisons based on their home planet. I could be just pulling on a thread that isn’t there but I thought I’d share the thought.
Loving this content! 2 tropes that annoy me and are inaccurate are ‘This doesn’t feel like Star Wars’ all 3 originals had totally different feels. As you said ‘Too much politics’ Star Wars is based on politics.
Great show. Loved Tales of the Jedi…has that Star Wars sense of wonder. Dookus angst..brilliant. More poor numbers for Andor I see today…am disheartened about articles online from great creators that still call Andor great Star Wars but I think the numbers indicate that whilst it may well be great TV the general audience don’t regard it as great Star Wars.
@Mike Kalinowski - I hear you. I would argue that it is an incorrect decision to leave things be that are considered "bad". Rise of Skywalker is probably the most disliked of the trilogy. You have to build around it and make it better. It worked for the Prequels, it will work for this. Those trilogies have different issues and require different solutions. Avoiding them isn't one of the solutions. This show is a solution.
I can see how the prequels weren't perfect, same with the sequels. I grew up with OT but I have loved all the movies for all the flaws. I would happily see characters turn up in a Lindelof movie. If it focused on Finn and Jannah, with Finn being the lead and his Jedi journey that would be awesome. If they do one movie, there has to at least be a framework or plan behind the scenes, so that if the first movie does well, they can do more and have a planned arc.
Do your research..."No". This is why I subscribe! Another great Sith Council - even some positivity from Kalinowski today. Brett with another "surprise appearance ", first serving coffee and now blowing up soda.
Arrrggg! Dude, Steph was making a great point about LucasFilm & Star Wars (something about the Willow panel?) that she didn’t get to finish because of the EXPLOSION 😅 … I hope she elaborates later.
Takes of the Jedi is good and Mike is correct with the show and also Clone Wars. Him citing Ulic Qel-Droma made me happy since it shows he knows his stuff.
Great show everyone! Really loved this episode of Andor but I have to admit after watching ask of tales of the Jedi I really am starting to miss live action jedi and sith as well.
Guys what do you think the odds are enfys nest (or her mom) shows up? In solo two tubes and Davis are there and she says she's a part of a alliance and "the war is just beginning". Think could be a cool tie her character and gang were cool design
I'm at the part where Mike is expressing his love for SW TV. Star War should always have big spectacular movies, and use the D+ series to expand on those characters and their backgrounds. I think this is why people have problems with Andor. Andor doesn't feel like their kind of Star Wars, but maybe their tune would change if they are getting their fill of Jedi/Sith/Mysticality from movies and other SW projects, and then getting filling back stories on D+.
That's one of my biggest issues with Andor (and a reason I'm not watching it). Disney seems determined to get rid of the Force, and Jedi vs Sith. That's Star Wars for me. IDGAF about a character I didn't even like in Rogue One.
@@ThaPimpminista Can I ask, if they were doing movies that you liked and were more mystical/force oriented, would you be more apt to watch Andor and accept that side of Star Wars? I think this is them trying to give back story so that you do give an F about Andor. I always thought there were two sides to Star Wars. The mystical/mythological and then the war/rebellion/political side of the stories. I like the more mystical/mythical side of Star Wars myself....but the way they are laying out Andor is pretty much all I have wanted from that side of Star Wars, so I am really liking it.
This is a great way to say it. Star Wars needs to be in the theatre and the movies have to mostly be focused on The Force and Lightsabers. None of my friends are watching Andor, they dont even know it exists. Stuff like Andor is great for TV but the movies cannot be like Andor or theyre just gonna keep losing people
This is what I’ve been saying for months! While the non-force side of SW is fun, it falls into generic sci-fi, and the balance of output shouldn’t be weighed more towards that stuff; it damages the specialness of the brand by making it the same product as any number of other shows, people pointing out that Andor feels like Blade Runner is indicative of this. There’s no way Andor should’ve got more focus, craft, and budget than Obi-Wan. The studio heads don’t know their audience or what differentiates SW from everything else. The mature tone of Andor applied to Obi-Wan is what everyone wanted. They bet on the wrong horse.
Loved this episode. Also very excited to hear you and Steph are doing Rocky rewatches. Any chance you convince Dagnino to take a break from selling fake Yeezys out of the back of his truck and do some commentary as well?
I find it interesting that nobody seems to get that the daughter was implying that Mon is having an affair with Tay; nothing to do with anything political
Wow, least favorite episode of Andor? Sure, it's not as intense, but I love how it reveals so much more of the Star Wars world. The whole prison scene is so interesting to me.
I can’t believe y’all don’t see that, that ciral dude is totally playing the ISB lady is clearly trying to save cassian because he spared his life at the beginning. He’s just simply returning the favor. 🤔🤔
I would love a Finn movie, set 20 years after Rise of Skywalker. Wise Jedi Finn leading a small group of former stormtroopers and a young Jedi student on a search through a hellish war zone for a some rogue dark side user who is building a new Sith cult. It could be Star Wars' version of Apocalypse Now. Have some flashbacks to Finn being taken and brainwashed as a stormtrooper, etc. Young post-ROTJ era Luke could cameo through a holocron Finn shows to his Padawan. Maybe Rey cameos at the very end for a reunion ending, but really not necessary. It could be an entire movie focused on this one mission.
I am firmly of the opinion that one person should not control every aspect of SW. Personally I find Filoni... alright? I don't love his stuff as much as everyone else, and I think he has some blindspots, but I value his work as part of SW. Everyone's looking for a savior for SW, and the truth is there's not going to be ONE. Creatives make missteps, they burn out, and they may even disagree with each other. We have no idea what Filoni thinks of Andor and I'm not sure it matters. He isn't Star Wars. He's a man who knows a lot about what SW is in the context that he works. That's awesome, but it doesn't mean he's right all the time.
Kristian is so stubborn 😂 Mike is right- Andor episodes 8, 9 and 10 are it’s own arc, while 11 and 12 serve as the finale. This information comes from Tony Gilroy himself via the Empire podcast, and is relayed throughout several other Star Wars news groups. Harloff needs to get up-to-snuff if he wants to get to that 70k subscriber mark.
This may sound very odd but while I think Andor may not be the most Star Wars-ey thing ever I find it to be my favorite show in Star Wars so far. I just think it's a great spy thriller and great show period, it also happens to be in Star Wars and that is an awesome bonus for us SW fans. I really think that anyone that's a fan of this type of story would love this show even if they aren't a SW fan. I also find it strange that people are now saying that this show doesn't feel like Star Wars yet they didn't say that about Rogue One. I said it back then about that film too. I still really really liked it but thought it a bit too relatable or too much like our own world. In the case of Andor I am really no longer caring about that as this is a great show that I am loving and I find it very easy to forgive whatever slight criticisms I have here and there. Also each trilogy had it's own separate feel or tone and so did non saga films like Solo as well as the fore-mentioned Rogue One. So different look and feel is something I am now okay with.
I'm in small group would rather have maybe certain shows have a tv movie. Like 70s Hulk show doing Thor & others in 2 hour tv movie or if Mandalorian and Boba Fett was a combined show 2 hour TV movie event that would be cool even though finale of Book of Boba Fett was almost it. I think tv movie event from shows we have are way better versus film.
Sorry guys. I'm one of those ppl. ROGUE ONE is an ABYSMAL movie. Truly one of the most monotonous theater experiences I've ever had. and I LOVE ANDOR. Not sure what happened with that movie (the final beach fight was fun tho). SOLO on the other hand absolutely rules. What a fun time. Love it. My 2nd favorite Disney SW flick behind *drumroll* THE LAST JEDI (what a picture!!!). But yeah, Rogue One is at the bottom of my ranking. Should have been a mini-series.
Tales of the Jed being centred around Ahsoka and Dooku is interesting since Dooku left the Jedi and Ahsoka never became a Jedi. The episodes could be seen as telling a story of both the two central characters and perhaps even more importantly the corruption of the Jedi & why exactly they couldn't see the rise of the Dark Side.
Interesting observation - there aren't many aliens on this show. Not sure if that reflects the Empire's strong human bias, but I thought it was strange that the prison was human-only, maybe because of the degree of conformity demanded by the work...
Saw and Luthen's conversation was amazing, the stubborness of Saw and his hatred of seperatists as well as Luthen's honesty with himself just for that moment and then when he started naming all the little rebel factions referring to the Ghorman front which we actually hear about in Rebels from Mon Mothma and even referring to human only cults, the prison stuff speaks for itself my favourite episode 100%
Kristian, can you boost your audio or something, I have you on full volume and its still not great.
Andor is the gift that keeps on giving. I’ve loved every episode. This week had the perfect blend of characters and locations. I want Mon Mothma’s wardrobe and her glassware. Both are top notch. I agree with Steph that something is up with her daughter. I think she’s a little shady. Can’t wait to see how Andor gets out of prison!
This might have been my favourite episode of Andor so far.
Agreed, but ep 7 was at the same level
I remember seeing a report on one of the Star Wars fansites a year ago that Andy Serkis was cast in Andor, but it didn't gain much traction. So I was really surprised and delighted to see him show up....
He did great !
Some of the Andor writers must be fans of the Old Republic, First they mentioned the Rakata Species from KotOR in episode 4 and last night one of the Imperial Prison soldiers Talked about the Penal Colony Planet of Belsavis. Woule love to see them explore these places and stories (Korriban and Dromund Kass too) in other TV Shows/ films further down the track.
Part of what separates Andor is the dialogue flows from personal history, so it says a ton in a few lines. Bad dialogue is too on the nose to serve the plot, Gilroy never goes there. Tales same concept but with action, peel back the layers to give us backstory. You're right to blow off the detail police Kristian, what truly matters is insight, and that's where you, Steph, and Mike excel and why we're here.
Tales of the Jedi was phenomenal. The Dooku stuff just further cemented him as one of my all time favorite characters from Star Wars
Really great.
This is my favorite RUclips show. Love when the whole team is together and talking Andor.
Most of what I've found in other shows is essentially just a blow by blow of what occurred in that episode. I watch this for the discussion of it like I would have with my friends if I had any that watched Star Wars shows.
Andor continues to be awesome. Andor is bringing real depth and presence and fleshing out the machinations of the Empire on screen. It serves the greater Star Wars experience by showing what the rebels had to experience and give up in the fight. It is phenomenal. Tales of the Jedi was great for me. I loved the way they fleshed out Dooku. Kevin Kiner should be the man to take over from Williams one day. Happy Birthday to Mike. Hope he had a good one.
Andor represents a new kind of Star Wars, and it’s building a dedicated audience that’s only going to grow and want more.
Thank you Sith Council!!! This week's episode of Andor was just simply fantastic!!! Can't wait for next weeks episode!!! Hope you guys have a great one!!! Happy Birthday to you Mike!!! 🎂 🥳🎂🥳🎂🥳
I find it really a neat detail that Dedra is doing to Syril exactly what Partagaz *initially* did to Dedra. She actually hasn't yet absorbed the lesson that she ironically helped Partagaz learn: Think and work outside the artificial structures. Especially given how willing Syril is.
The Imperial way is hard to shake, it appears.
I find my views always strongly aligning with Steph. Honestly Andor the best star wars content since rotj, loving it so much
Steph is awesome.
Another awesome Sith Council! Also, I'm loving the updated studio, Kristian! But might I suggest doing some cable management with the cables sticking out the back of the sound board? It's looking a bit cluttered. Could perhaps tie them together with some zip ties, or better yet feed them through a desk grommet. :)
i am so glad that they didn't jailbreak andor right away. They are really taking their time for andors transition and i love it. Malcolm x style, have jail be the last jab for andor to finally embrace the rebellion. I couldn't love this show more, it has far exceeded my expectations. Oh and f'n andy serkis man! what an actor
Tales of the Jedi and Andor continuing to be great? This is a terrific week for Star Wars.
Man what a packed day so far, excited for Sith Council!
“What do you think a war is? It’s politics.”
Thank you.
Hi Kristian, your professional show is breath of fresh air.I like your points of view!Keep up the good work!
I like it when names are made up for characters in a movie/show in the discussions. It feels more genuine, like a conversation during lunch or something. Plus it’s just hilarious
Regarding Tales of the Jedi, it was actually really tricky for me to watch so soon after Andor, and I say this as a huge Clone Wars fan. First off, as usual I loved the new world building parts, especially the Togrutan village of Ahsoka's family. I also really enjoyed the Dooku episodes, and LOVED Yaddle -- need more with her, please!
However I also couldn't help but notice that the Dooku episodes were covering a lot of the same themes of political nuance and class differences between Coruscant and distant worlds as Andor -- and Andor simply does it SO much better, with far richer characters, acting, and writing. Maybe unsurprisingly there's no nuance in Tales because the Jedi are rather different in non-subtle ways (lightsabers and all).
But once I was able to get back into my animated shows mindset, I had a lot of fun. And gosh was it gorgeous. I can't wait for Bad Batch Season 2!
This show is great! The difference between you and Campea is the ego. We know it’s your show without reminding us it’s your show. Thank you
John puts on a great show! But thanks for the kind words!
The bang noise was epic. Your faces said it all
I love freaking Andor. This is the real empire and real rebels.
Another great show, Sith Council is my favorite podcast. I listened this morning on the treadmill and on the way to work.
Love you guys!
My only real comment I wanted to make is about the Linedlof movie.
The biggest issue for me right now is who the villain is going to be.
To me, one of the biggest issues with Disney Star Wars Canon is coming up with original villains that aren't the Empire/First Order or Sith.
This has been especially an issue in the comic books, if you read the main Star Wars title.
Some of their attempts to come up with original villains have been complete failures for me.
We'll have to wait and see, hopefully they came up with something good.
I think what they’re building in the prison is more pieces of the prison in order to enlarge the prison. That seems like something the Empire would do.
That or, much like in the books Catalyst and A New Dawn, it turns out all these parts are going into the Death Star.
Highlight on this episode.. 56:29. Steph,
“like the spice” then cracks up at her self 😂 Clip that out. Great show guys!Loving Tales, soo soo great!
Hey Kristian, great show. Love what you're doing. Keep it up!
I think Luthen's assistant is going after Andor to kill him unbeknownst to Luthen. I think Luthen wants Andor for another reason, which he hasn't explained on screen yet. Notice that Luthen never talked about eliminating Andor, per se. And when Luthen's assistant approaches Vel, Vel keeps asking why Luthan wasn't there. I think Vel feels like she wants to hear it from the source. I think we'll find the assistant is working for someone other than Luthen or on her own to give Luthen pluasible deniability... more intrigue
Special kudos to the set and costume designers on this show. In addition to the phenomenal writing and acting, they are equally crushing it.
40:35 Kalinowski battling to finish his point 😆 the anxiety these two give trying to have a normal conversation 🤣🤣
Andy Serkis coming back to play another character to me is like Mark Hamill playing Luke in the films and then voicing Darth Bane in the Clone Wars. That being said I’m very much like you in the sense that I love Andy Serkis and I’m always happy to see him in anything he does. Loving Andor so far! Just watched Tales of the Jedi, and I’m really happy with these 2 new shows in the Star Wars universe. Can’t wait for more from both Andor and Tales of the Jedi, can’t wait for Star Wars: Visions as well. I feel like Visions and Tales of the Jedi are great shows to where you can do so many short stories in a couple of episodes that you can keep doing for a while. Sorry for the long text, I just have so many thoughts at the moment, really happy with what we’re getting right now! Love you guys! #SithCouncil
This episode introduces Melshi, thats awesome, he obviously escapes with him, since he's in Rogue One
Gilroy does the last two, Mike is right
This show is like an onion, it just keeps peeling back layer upon layer of characterization. And surprises! We knew Forrest Whitaker was returning, but bringing back Andy Serkis and then the Melshi character, yet another Rogue One tie-in. Wow. I just can't wait for each episode of this incredible piece of television.
Really excited about the potential Lindelof movie. I loved the Leftovers and Watchmen was an incredible series.
I loved the Depa Billaba and Caleb Dume (Kanan) cameo in Tales of the Jedi, I had a big smile when they popped up.
I think with Gareth Edwards in an interview he took a hiatus from filming, he has a SXSW TED talk that he does with is phenomenal! He hinted before his new film true love, that he wanted to take a break from Hollywood blockbusters and just re-adjust himself before doing something else, by the way he is a VFX genius when it comes to Godzilla & rogue one hell even monsters, which was his first indie film with a budget of 500,000$ he made that work. Let see how it goes for him.
Tales of the Jedi was good...but I still liked the Andor episode better. Even though the topics were more interesting (jedi/sith), I just don't get into animation as much as live action.
You have ESPN’s Steph Sabraw on? Cool!
What a day! Sick in bed, I really needed back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back Star Wars , I'm including this show as well
Andy Serkis is one of my favorite actors and I love the fact he got to showcase what a great actor he is.
Thanks guys,I wasn't interested in the Jedi cartoon but after your chat I've changed my mind and will have a Captain Cook.Good show thanks.
Love Sith Council! You three have great discussions...no wonder Sith Coucil merch is so popular 👍
I just love this series. For me it make me feel like I am living in this actual galaxy. The feeling of oppression in the Empire regime. It gives greater weight now to Rogue One and the Original Trilogy. You knew the empire was bad but now to really feel it. The Jedi were in hiding so the people had to get together to fight back somehow and this show tells that story! Amazing!!
Completely agree.
Great discussion,loving this show week by week! Yes it’s the best Star Wars series yet
Just wanna say bro thanks for your guys convo on this episode I'm two weeks behind Just got caught. Usually after they im a bit lost after few tequilas lol but after watching this show and your guys take really got me stuck into it
It wasn't shown, but I assume Vel gave Luthens assistant the Kyber crystal, when they met up in episode 7,to give back to Luthen
20:40 Mike, if you think back to the briefing room scene aboard the Death Star in Ep4, you'll see all the dudes sitting at the table, and Tarkin is in charge, right? Vader is standing mostly on Tarkin's immediate right side and a bit behind him. Then there's general Tagg in the seat immediately to Tarkin's right. Vader is standing kinda inbetween the two of them blah blah.....
...To Tarkin's LEFT are also people. Two seats to Tarkin's left, is ISB Colonel Yularen.
For Kristian: sorry but Mike is right, here is the comment from Tony Gilroy “Tony Gilroy said to the @empiremagazine podcast that episode 7 is a “very interesting” one, episodes 8, 9 and 10 are another arc (like happened with episodes 1-3 and 4-6) and episodes 11 and 12 are the finale #Andor
I stand corrected!
If ol' Mike watched LOST to the end, he'd have received the answers. Whether he liked them or not is a different story, but folks who claim LOST never answered its mysteries had to have stopped paying attention at a certain point. Most "questions" that fans obsessed over ended up not being super integral to the plot, but still got answers without the show spoon-feeding them to you. And even then, the show DID spoon-feed some of the more important answers. And then there's Watchmen, which is one of the best seasons of TV i've seen in a while. I have all the faith in Lindelof taking on a Star Wars movie.
I’m wondering if it will be touched upon in the upcoming episode(s) of Andor, how the prison seems to be only housing human prisoners. It’s possible I didn’t notice an alien in episode 8 but I’m wondering if it’s intentional to illustrate the anti-alien bigotry in the Empire. Perhaps the places they send alien prisoners don’t have the same “pleasantries” that are given to the humans in the prison in this episode. Just pulling that from how it seemed to really show that every prisoner was human and that different prisoners were sent to different prisons based on their home planet.
I could be just pulling on a thread that isn’t there but I thought I’d share the thought.
Loving this content! 2 tropes that annoy me and are inaccurate are ‘This doesn’t feel like Star Wars’ all 3 originals had totally different feels. As you said ‘Too much politics’ Star Wars is based on politics.
Dude no problem I’m terrible at memorizing the names! I still can only name like 2 characters in this! But I love the show and so what!
Great show. Loved Tales of the Jedi…has that Star Wars sense of wonder. Dookus angst..brilliant. More poor numbers for Andor I see today…am disheartened about articles online from great creators that still call Andor great Star Wars but I think the numbers indicate that whilst it may well be great TV the general audience don’t regard it as great Star Wars.
Happy Birthday Mike. Didn't realize you were an October kid too.
@8:54 LMFAO
Luthen - creating and shaping the rebellion like how a “luthier” builds and shapes a musical instrument?
@Mike Kalinowski - I hear you. I would argue that it is an incorrect decision to leave things be that are considered "bad". Rise of Skywalker is probably the most disliked of the trilogy. You have to build around it and make it better. It worked for the Prequels, it will work for this. Those trilogies have different issues and require different solutions. Avoiding them isn't one of the solutions. This show is a solution.
I can see how the prequels weren't perfect, same with the sequels. I grew up with OT but I have loved all the movies for all the flaws. I would happily see characters turn up in a Lindelof movie. If it focused on Finn and Jannah, with Finn being the lead and his Jedi journey that would be awesome. If they do one movie, there has to at least be a framework or plan behind the scenes, so that if the first movie does well, they can do more and have a planned arc.
I hope they stick with it!
@@TheKristianHarloff So do I.
Do your research..."No". This is why I subscribe! Another great Sith Council - even some positivity from Kalinowski today. Brett with another "surprise appearance ", first serving coffee and now blowing up soda.
Arrrggg! Dude, Steph was making a great point about LucasFilm & Star Wars (something about the Willow panel?) that she didn’t get to finish because of the EXPLOSION 😅 …
I hope she elaborates later.
Same!
1:02:20 I thought Stone Cold Steve Austin entered the studio 😂
Hahah
Two of the best Star Wars properties ever, Andor and Tales of the Jedi, just captivating.
great show today ❤
loved Andor and Tales of the Jedi
Takes of the Jedi is good and Mike is correct with the show and also Clone Wars. Him citing Ulic Qel-Droma made me happy since it shows he knows his stuff.
He does! Former 3 time IG champ!
Yes it’s yularan
Tarantino and Larys Strong would love to work at this prison.
23:30 man that line hit me hard
Great show everyone! Really loved this episode of Andor but I have to admit after watching ask of tales of the Jedi I really am starting to miss live action jedi and sith as well.
Guys what do you think the odds are enfys nest (or her mom) shows up? In solo two tubes and Davis are there and she says she's a part of a alliance and "the war is just beginning". Think could be a cool tie her character and gang were cool design
The director of the Lindelof movie; she directed episodes 4 and 5 of Ms. Marvel, where it was set in Pakistan and the flashback episode.
It’s finally happened! When Mike trying to speak about Linda-Loff and was being interrupted I did say “what is he proposing” under my breath.
1:02:02 - Kathleen Kennedy just threw a brick at your house dude...
Wow Mike can literally pull out “The Top Gun Guy?!” again verbatim just like that. Impressive, most impressive lol 😂
I'm at the part where Mike is expressing his love for SW TV.
Star War should always have big spectacular movies, and use the D+ series to expand on those characters and their backgrounds. I think this is why people have problems with Andor. Andor doesn't feel like their kind of Star Wars, but maybe their tune would change if they are getting their fill of Jedi/Sith/Mysticality from movies and other SW projects, and then getting filling back stories on D+.
That's one of my biggest issues with Andor (and a reason I'm not watching it). Disney seems determined to get rid of the Force, and Jedi vs Sith. That's Star Wars for me. IDGAF about a character I didn't even like in Rogue One.
@@ThaPimpminista Can I ask, if they were doing movies that you liked and were more mystical/force oriented, would you be more apt to watch Andor and accept that side of Star Wars? I think this is them trying to give back story so that you do give an F about Andor.
I always thought there were two sides to Star Wars. The mystical/mythological and then the war/rebellion/political side of the stories. I like the more mystical/mythical side of Star Wars myself....but the way they are laying out Andor is pretty much all I have wanted from that side of Star Wars, so I am really liking it.
This is a great way to say it. Star Wars needs to be in the theatre and the movies have to mostly be focused on The Force and Lightsabers. None of my friends are watching Andor, they dont even know it exists. Stuff like Andor is great for TV but the movies cannot be like Andor or theyre just gonna keep losing people
This is what I’ve been saying for months! While the non-force side of SW is fun, it falls into generic sci-fi, and the balance of output shouldn’t be weighed more towards that stuff; it damages the specialness of the brand by making it the same product as any number of other shows, people pointing out that Andor feels like Blade Runner is indicative of this.
There’s no way Andor should’ve got more focus, craft, and budget than Obi-Wan. The studio heads don’t know their audience or what differentiates SW from everything else. The mature tone of Andor applied to Obi-Wan is what everyone wanted. They bet on the wrong horse.
Loved this episode. Also very excited to hear you and Steph are doing Rocky rewatches. Any chance you convince Dagnino to take a break from selling fake Yeezys out of the back of his truck and do some commentary as well?
Mon Mothma is the good version of "smiley glad-hands with hidden agendas."
I find it interesting that nobody seems to get that the daughter was implying that Mon is having an affair with Tay; nothing to do with anything political
had to skip the Andor part, since I watch them in pack of 3. but had to support this show. big fan here.
Wow, least favorite episode of Andor? Sure, it's not as intense, but I love how it reveals so much more of the Star Wars world. The whole prison scene is so interesting to me.
Episodes 7 & 8 are perfect, so narratively rich and layered, even better than action-packed episode 6.
Luthen being referred to as "Axis" makes me think his role will eventually evolve into "Fulcrum"
I feel like Ezra's transmission from Season 1 Episode 13 of Rebels would be the cherry on top somewhere in this series.
I can’t believe y’all don’t see that, that ciral dude is totally playing the ISB lady is clearly trying to save cassian because he spared his life at the beginning. He’s just simply returning the favor. 🤔🤔
I would love a Finn movie, set 20 years after Rise of Skywalker. Wise Jedi Finn leading a small group of former stormtroopers and a young Jedi student on a search through a hellish war zone for a some rogue dark side user who is building a new Sith cult. It could be Star Wars' version of Apocalypse Now. Have some flashbacks to Finn being taken and brainwashed as a stormtrooper, etc. Young post-ROTJ era Luke could cameo through a holocron Finn shows to his Padawan. Maybe Rey cameos at the very end for a reunion ending, but really not necessary. It could be an entire movie focused on this one mission.
I have not see anyone mention that Luthen's assistant is named Leia, and she looks like "the Leia."
The explosion was caused by the top gun guy😁
Haha right?!
Love this show
I'm thinking the Lindeloff post-ST movie will focus on an older Grogu.
Hmm
100% agree that if Solo had been Rendar, the movie would have been better received.
Yup
I am firmly of the opinion that one person should not control every aspect of SW. Personally I find Filoni... alright? I don't love his stuff as much as everyone else, and I think he has some blindspots, but I value his work as part of SW. Everyone's looking for a savior for SW, and the truth is there's not going to be ONE. Creatives make missteps, they burn out, and they may even disagree with each other. We have no idea what Filoni thinks of Andor and I'm not sure it matters. He isn't Star Wars. He's a man who knows a lot about what SW is in the context that he works. That's awesome, but it doesn't mean he's right all the time.
Kristian is so stubborn 😂 Mike is right- Andor episodes 8, 9 and 10 are it’s own arc, while 11 and 12 serve as the finale. This information comes from Tony Gilroy himself via the Empire podcast, and is relayed throughout several other Star Wars news groups. Harloff needs to get up-to-snuff if he wants to get to that 70k subscriber mark.
I loved this episode, I loved the prison stuff...
This may sound very odd but while I think Andor may not be the most Star Wars-ey thing ever I find it to be my favorite show in Star Wars so far. I just think it's a great spy thriller and great show period, it also happens to be in Star Wars and that is an awesome bonus for us SW fans. I really think that anyone that's a fan of this type of story would love this show even if they aren't a SW fan.
I also find it strange that people are now saying that this show doesn't feel like Star Wars yet they didn't say that about Rogue One. I said it back then about that film too. I still really really liked it but thought it a bit too relatable or too much like our own world. In the case of Andor I am really no longer caring about that as this is a great show that I am loving and I find it very easy to forgive whatever slight criticisms I have here and there. Also each trilogy had it's own separate feel or tone and so did non saga films like Solo as well as the fore-mentioned Rogue One. So different look and feel is something I am now okay with.
I'm in small group would rather have maybe certain shows have a tv movie. Like 70s Hulk show doing Thor & others in 2 hour tv movie or if Mandalorian and Boba Fett was a combined show 2 hour TV movie event that would be cool even though finale of Book of Boba Fett was almost it. I think tv movie event from shows we have are way better versus film.
Makes sense.
Is Luthan's assistant named Leia?
It sounded like it...but it's Kleya
Lucian? LUCIAN?! The Andor Guy?!
Sorry guys. I'm one of those ppl.
ROGUE ONE is an ABYSMAL movie. Truly one of the most monotonous theater experiences I've ever had. and I LOVE ANDOR. Not sure what happened with that movie (the final beach fight was fun tho).
SOLO on the other hand absolutely rules. What a fun time. Love it. My 2nd favorite Disney SW flick behind *drumroll* THE LAST JEDI (what a picture!!!).
But yeah, Rogue One is at the bottom of my ranking. Should have been a mini-series.
Tales of the Jed being centred around Ahsoka and Dooku is interesting since Dooku left the Jedi and Ahsoka never became a Jedi. The episodes could be seen as telling a story of both the two central characters and perhaps even more importantly the corruption of the Jedi & why exactly they couldn't see the rise of the Dark Side.
1:02:22
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Mike is right. Its a 3 episode arch with 8-9-10. Source Alex Damon sourcing Tony Gilroy
Interesting observation - there aren't many aliens on this show. Not sure if that reflects the Empire's strong human bias, but I thought it was strange that the prison was human-only, maybe because of the degree of conformity demanded by the work...