I'm so bummed that this season's over and we got to wait 2 years for the next season and the fact that there's only two seasons in the show total. This show is so ridiculously good it ain't even funny
For real! How could they not realize this content would resonate so well with 28+ fans (the majority of Star Wars fans) and immediately started filming after the final edit came out.
When Marva was giving her speech, her costume, the presence she commanded made me I have a flashback to hologram scene with the Emperor in the Empire Strikes Back. At this moment I thought "that's what a good Emperor would have been".
Mike and I saw different episodes. 🤣 I absolutely loved almost everything about this episode. I'm with Sabraw. This is my favorite show this year by far.
Luthen standing on the outskirts of the city, towards the end of the episode, as the battle rages on, echoing through the city's corridors was a touching moment 😢.
I loved how he was riveted during Marva's speech. He has seen too much to show much, but his eyes were so focused. This is why he burned his life and I think he felt for a moment that his sacrifice has not been in vain.
Great show absolute class. I have really enjoyed listening to your guys take on the show. Thanks to all of you and hope you have had a happy thanks giving.
Maarva's speech got me, I was tearing up a bit, and when the people started to revolt I was screaming with joy, and Love that kick to the Stormtrooper off the tower.
Gilroy said in an interview that even if they had the budget to do the Kreeyger situation they would've put that budget to use elsewhere. He said the perspective (except in rare situations) was always meant to be focused on the characters and the situations surrounding them
Man, I love Mike's grumpiness and how you three play off of one another. I'm not the biggest Star Wars guy in all honesty, but I've really been loving Andor and highly enjoying your coverage of it :)
It just goes to show the power of music. The writers put all their pieces on the chess board at the funeral and when that tonal shift hits you know it’s about to be on!
Been waiting, absolutely loved this season! Love this show so much seriously. I really am excited for what comes next, I know we have all of these other shows coming both animated and live action, but I seriously just want more Andor. This has kind of revitalized my love of Star Wars after Book of Boba and Kenobi were mishandled. I really wish we were getting 4 more seasons and two!
Man, this entire show is a master class on creating tension and this episode had me on the edge of my seat. I'm surprised you all didn't mention the great job they did with music, especially during the funeral when the band changes from that somber rallying song to what sounded like a revolutionary war battle march. This may have become my favorite D+ show.
This show is amazing can’t wait until season 2 comes. This is one of the best written and planed out Star Wars shows. I loved the episode arc structure I really hope this structure is implemented for other shows as well it really helps focus the story.
I genuinely tuned in to hear you guys gush about an amazing Andor finale! Well ... That didn't happen. However what an amazing series, so great! I loved it!!
Great show as always. The season one finale was really good. Luthien was able to acquire what he wanted back in episode 3: Cassian himself as the rebel he needs. 2024-25 will be great for TV with season two of Andor and HotD on the way. Happy Thanksgiving to the Sith Council crew. .
This episode was freakin' fantastic. It actually acted as a tipping point to just barely push Andor ahead of Mando as my favorite Star Wars since Empire.... For now at least. They slamm dunked the landing, IMO.
I was not entertaining the Kennedy leaving rumors one bit until hearing that they were waiting for Indy 5 to drop. Love her or hate her I think fans just hear what they want where she is concerned. Since Last Jedi every 2 weeks people have predicted the demise of Kennedy while trying to negate her wins and influence. Im not happy with the job she’s been doing and would like someone new BUT I have not been cheering or foaming at the bit to tar & feather her like some! I was in agreement that Iger returning would actually shield her more but if they are waiting for Indy and don’t want to start production on films until she is gone it kind of tracks because Indy 5 has been pushed so many times and we’ve had no movement on films.
Because Andor was so good about the way it used fan service through out the season the post credit scene worked as a great cherry on top. When that stuff is judicially doled out it works so much better! In season 2 I think we are going to see Mon Mothma actually cling to a different older religious tradition in the Force! At some point between now and when she leaves and declares for the Rebellion as an organization she comes to at least respect the Force enough to start saying “May the Force be with you.” In Rogue One. Also a character I think we could get introduced to in season 2 is General Jan Dodanna?
I wore my Show Some Class shirt today. Thanks to you guys for doing this even digital. I wanted to hear what you guys had to say about the finale. Next thing I'm watching is Forcecenter to hear what someone my age thinks about it. Steph thanks for hanging out with these dweebs. You bring the class.
Looking forward to rewatch Mando but Andor is my favourite Disney Star Wars production so far. I could imagine Solo 2 being a 8 - 12 episode TV show. I feel like it could work with interweaving plots around Solo and the Hutt piece and Qi-ra and the Black Sun stuff and I would like to see more of Enfys Nest and other little pockets of resistance. And now for something completely different… IF you remade the prequels now, who would you get to direct? Keeping the plot and story close to as is. I mean I don’t really know how you could recast it now but just a hypothetical
As far as the Anton Kreiger raid not being shown- when we last saw the ISB, they were still counting the bodies. I suspect that someone, possibly Anton himself, will have escaped the trap, and we may see the raid retold from the point of view of that character when they are introduced in season two. And if they find out they were set up to take the fall…
They did the best show they could with covid restrictions and budget. That is why a lot of things happened off screen. They sort it out with excellent writing
What Andor does so well that The Last Jedi doesn't is that it is something different but it is not a meta exercise and understands Star Wars. This show understands Star Wars so well because it explores the act of rebellion and how dictatorships and oppression become these big evil. Best stuff I've seen since the OG trilogy!
No idea what Mike is talking about with the fan service thing. People have asked for years how the hell did they build the Death Star and now we have some sort of answer.. I thought it was a great touch. I have absolutely loved the show but S2 definitely needs to have a few more hints to Star Wars in there, which I think it will. A tiny bit of fan service (not too much) would go a long way towards making this a classic.
Hey, 1st off thanks for the time to review and share...Secondly, I know Star Wars is a big plate collective of fans but as a 10 yr old sitting there in May of 77' and everything since, it's a hard to hear the analytical "my preference" perfectionist....Andor, Solo and Rogue One are all the things in live action my generation of star wars have hoped for...Those comics and books were not available nationally in many communities...Andor and Rogue have moved to my Top 5 of all Star Wars content with Empire and NH...Thanks
loved cassian since I saw rogue one on opening night, was excited for the show since it was announced, was SURE it was gonna be great. and I'm feeling so happy because it really did what it needed to do and more, and also I'm feeling vindicated lol
Listen, I absolutely LOVE this show. It's my favorite Star Wars anything. I'm just a little confused about Cassian asking to be killed or turned in. Why fight just to surrender? He promised he'd find Bix and his other friends. Wouldn't he be more motivated than ever to fight the Empire? I didn't understand this one particular beat, but I love where they left it with Luthen smiling at him, seemingly reconsiding.
I think he gave Luthen the choice to kill him or BRING him in, i.e. bring him into the rebellion. After the way Luthen had tried to recruit him previously, I honestly think Andor knew what his answer would be
Just purchased Lady and Lordships for everyone in my family. Awesome/unique gifts without breaking the bank. Thank you for the discount and bringing to my attention. Happy Thanksgiving 😎
I’ll be honest when I first heard this show was coming out I knew I was going to watch it as a Star Wars fan but I didn’t have that excitement in me to watch it that I had for Obi-Wan Kenobi or the Mandalorian. This show blew me away when they first dropped those first three episodes and I can honestly say that not only is this my favorite live-action Star Wars series of all time, it’s also my favorite Disney+ series of all time so far. If you include the animated series of the clone wars in Star Wars rebels, those two are probably a tie for my favorite Star Wars series but if you’re talking live action Andor is by far my favorite. I honestly thought it would be a series that I would watch and kind of enjoy and when it was over it would just be out of sight out of mind. I never would’ve dreamed that I would’ve thought it was better written and just done better all the way around than even the Mandalorian. And that’s not a knock towards the Mandalorian, that’s a great show that I love but when you talk about critiquing a show and grading it on things like the writing, the dialogue, the acting , The suspense…. this is the best live action Disney+ series in my mind.
I actually think we could get a nod to how they met in comics while recontextualizing things? Same with Mothmas public defection to the Rebellion. She makes her speech on a ship with the cast of Rebels BUT we could see Cassian watching her speech from somewhere else in the 2nd season. I think Gilroy has been good about sticking to canon and only bending or not contradicting things that are canon like Cassians birth parents, they very well could have been Separatists OR that moniker could apply to his adopted parents Marva and Clem?
Really amazing show and I can appreciate the finale, but agree with Mike that I kept waiting for something to happen (particularly involving our main characters) and the episode left me feeling a little unsatisfied / felt more like setup for next season. Makes sense for them to tie into the Death Star, but really hoping that is not a main focus of next season
Loved the finale. It was so awesome to see Casdians mom rally the Rebellion. Made me want to join the Rebellion. Very Star Wars and very moving scene even with bricks and screws lol. Don't get how people hate on this series. So good.
Regarding Mike (I'm in a mood 😉) Kalinowskis comment about the end credit scene, it seems to me that Mike and others who have complained about that scene are forgetting, the Death Star was NOT built to protect The Empire from Luke or any other Jedi, it was built to protect the Empire from Andor, Luthen, Mon Mothma, Saw and all other rebels or planets housing them....
Mike has some very valid points (the mothma stuff in particular) and I do find it to be a bit messier than some of the other episodes. Emotionally however, it hit me hard and I loved how it pays off Andor's development from reticent to rebel. I think Andor having to kill Val or Cinta to survive or something along those lines would have been much more narratively interesting
Just when I think I've finally figured out what type of Star Wars fan Mike is what he wants to see in a Star Wars show, he completely throws a curveball when he talks about what he didn't like lol
Serious question, happy you are a fan but do you think that Solo 2 is a movie that is going to bring people back to the theater and give Star Wars that jolt of energy that it needs? I mean if it was a Disney Plus movie, sure, why not.
@@TheKristianHarloff It would all depend on the execution and it might possibly be less of a gamble in theatres than a movie with all new characters. It’s not likely to happen I realise that. I would accept a Disney plus movie.
Really liked Brett reading us the comic stuff about how Andor met K2SO. It was very good. Maybe he could have a section where he informs us about comic or book content / information about these kind of Star Wars things? And Happy Thanksgiving.
I wonder if for season 2 , since we have big time jumps in between arcs, maybe they wont even try to tell the specific story of how Cassian and K2 meet, as described by Brett. Maybe they'll just jump time and make a reference to it. Like how we didnt see the ambush on Kryger, and as long as they make that make sense for the story they are telling, we'll be ok with it. At peast I will, as long as it is done in a similar way that makes me care more about the story they *are* telling
Andor wasn't rushed. They just left enough unsaid, so that we didn't have to be told what decisions were made to make those decisions. We know her driver is an ISB spy, we know she's worried about her accounts, we know she feels betrayed by both her husband, so she sets him up by making up a tale about him gambling in the capital, which he is not. It also explains where the 400,000 credits are coming from, when the Banker makes the transfer. We also always knew she was going to make the introduction with her daughter, because there was no other way out. It was either that, or the rebellion ends in it's tracks. Also- star wars should be linked. It doesn't have to have characters from alternate Star Wars franchises, but it has to fit in a time and a place in star wars. It has to connect. The Mandalorian fits in-between The fall of the empire and the sequel trilogy, this makes it Star Wars. The sequel trilogy believed you could make three independent movies that had nothing to do with each other, call it star wars, and expect audiences to respond favorably. Cyril is necessary in Andor because he is Andor's nemesis. He will now take over as the Supervisors assistant, and he will be the one to pinpoint Luthan. He specifically stated 'I didn't see him, but I would recognize his voice' and now he will get that chance. Erso will have to make an appearance, because they specifically search out for his daughter at the imperial scrap heap. She was chosen because of it. The deathstar is relevant, because Cassian will inform Luthan about the items they had been making, they will track where those shipments are going, and it will lead them to the Deathstar. This will trigger a search for weaknesses.
I hope to see Krennic and see Galen build up to sending that message to Saw. That’s something I think we missed dearly from Rogue One. Let Mads go off with this level of writing
Two reasons. As far as schedule goes, it shifts when a Star Wars show is on. Because I put my spoiler review in the mornings, I don't want them to eat at each other, so I wait until 4PM PST or so to air them. Now that Andor is over, will go back to 9AM PST until The Mandalorian returns. As far as premiere: for some reason RUclips punishes you for doing those. When I do them, I lose tons of viewers and it is not promoted by the algo. It isn't worth the hit that the show takes.
Great show, great episode, can't wait until season two, I'm hoping the fan ideas of Luthan having some kind of jedi connection are correct, would add a cool twist to the story, love that character regardless, what a great job by the actor, that speech he gave in the previous episode is freaking all-time epic level stuff. The marva speech was spot on as well. Great writing, what a difference from a show like boba fett.
I agree a lot with Mike about not putting the Trope-ish Star Wars things in the show. This show should feel like we're a part of a rebellion uprising. It won't feel like that if we start seeing C3PO-like droids and hearing "May the force be with you." - That would suck me straight out of the immersion I get from watching Andor. I have a major dislike for Mando Season 2, because Ahsoka and Luke became these background characters that just sort of stood around. Really hated that. Mando should have stuck with JUST being Mandalorian and Grogu, it sucked me out of the western vibe I got from Season 1 and it turned into a what feels like a fanmade show.
When it comes to Solo I wouldn’t do a sequel BUT I would love a series about the Crimson Dawn and Emilia Clarke’s character and Maul (with Ray Parks doing the physical performance and Witwer dubbing him of course) and seeing what happens to the Crimson Dawn and their characters and I’m assuming ending with putting Maul on his path that he ends up in Rebels
Yeah i was very slightly underwhelmed by the last episode, everything came together greatly and it was a great episode but just nothing really blew me away like it did in previous episodes
great show as always, hope yall had an awesome holiday! not sure what to take of the Jeff Schneider "news"? so, he is saying they FINALLY have a road map?? thats awesome if so. I hope so. But, of course they are going to be "ramping up movies" in the next several years. lol. but there is no chance there is one by 2024, so its still like 6-7 years in between films. So its like, "Breaking News....Star Wars will be making movies again, .....sometime" lol I sure hope they are going to finally have a road map. But honestly, if it is still Kathleen in place, i dont trust anything they say. Last tiny little road map/plan they fed us a few years back, most of the projects aren't seeing the light of day. Once Kathleen is out (hopefully this summer), have her replacement pitch the ramped up road map!
Andor was a really good show and I think it’s the best written one by far. With Kathleen Kennedy possibly being done, I won’t believe it till I see it.
49:03 = Very true. Rogue One is the best of a very average batch of movies, so not exactly a high bar. What a freakin' MESS those 3 main sequel movies were, particularly The Rise of Shitetalker.
Didn't mind the undercover guy arresting the snitch because the ISB figured they were gonna be successful in their mission that day to catch Cass so being undercover at that point was kinda meaningless
I loved that end credit scene, so the empire used slave labour to build parts for the death star, clever set up to show how they are getting rid of the witnesses but also something that Andor or one of the escaped prisoners could follow and find this planet killer eventually!
Gilroy will not be taking any cues from the comics. So were back to a place where the novels, comics, and games constitute the Extended Universe. No big deal, but I think Lucasfilm needs to acknowledge it at this point. Could someone explain to me again the function of the Story Group? Anyway, I'll keep reading the High Republic novels, mainly because of talented contributors like Claudia Gray & Justina Ireland, but it doesn't seem as urgent now.
Man I tell you to stars of this show mon and luthen. Mon is just as bad as luthen in my opinion. She not only put the blame on her husband for the 400K but then doubles down by setting up her daughter with this betroval. As luthen sacrifices 30 men at basically the same time. I see no difference nthosnalso wherw i recognise this as the moment Mon becomes the rebel leader with her willingness to sacrifice her family. Also the line in from temek try means no jedi in this show at only regular people. Great show as always
Good points about stormtroopers, and Andor not being in trouble this episode. The first scene in ANH show the stormtroopers completely mowing down rebels. The more Andor escapes tight situations the less believable it is. He's human, not a Jedi.
I don't know the name of the "used car salesman" either. I can't remember it if we ever heard it. I think that Andor ships them off to that moon in the same boat that he used to go to and from Morlana 1 in in Ep1. :)
I feel like mike just doesn’t want this to be related to Star Wars at all! Haha. He’s like I hated seeing the Death Star! Anyway I loved this first season. 🎉
I personally would love to see something that continued some of the story we started with Solo! Honestly just want more Donald Glover as Lando anyway I can get it :D lol
I think doing Solo 2 would be better and easy because the world of Solo is established; as spouse to staring from 0. You could bring Boba Fett Jaba other bounty hunters etc.
I think doing Solo 2 would be better and easy because the world of Solo is established; as spouse to staring from 0. You could bring Boba Fett Jaba other bounty hunters etc.
@@TheKristianHarloff I'd rather see a Disney+ series as a follow-up instead of a theatrical sequel. I would just want to see Alden continue in that role, I remember watching Solo and A New Hope back-to-back, and thinking Alden nailed it. I wish we could all agree on that, but unfortunately it's become subjective....
Happy Thanksgiving! While Andor & Rogue One are the BEST of Disney Star Wars, SOLO wasn’t the worst… I’d welcome a SOLO2 series or films. There’s a lot of ground that could be covered before we see Han in the Cantina and Lando at Cloud City. The film’s introduction of Maul and the gangster underworld could touch on not only Jabba’s origins but also tie into content from Shadows of the Empire and even Force Unleashed. There’s also no reason why they can’t also do a flashback about SOLO’s time with the Empire that was glossed over. If done right, it can make prior works better. If done wrong, then it will be another Book of Why Did They Do Fett Dirty…
There's no way that Tony Gilroy and lucasfilm are going to let Cannon be completely destroyed. I have a feeling that the meeting between k2so is probably going to be pretty close to what was in the comic
great point Steph, on DC executing their movies/plan better than Star Wars. Its embarrassing! if they keep Kennedy on at Lucasfilm past this summer, it is a gigantic mistake. stop the bleeding, and put the replacement in place. Just way way too many mistakes under her at helm. Sure, fantastic producer, talent...blah blah blah. she is the worst person/suit to be running Lucasflim. Displayed too much incompetance. I really do hope they get someone who loves Star Wars, and understands it, is excited about it (and not afraid to put out content)! Should be a no brainer. cut her loose after Indy anyhow, LOVED Andor. such a refreshing series, that is some of the best content on Disney + Yes, many of us do want another Solo project (i personally would love a Crimson Dawn series), and still really hoping for more Don Glover Lando!
“Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear”
This show is incredible
That line made me cry
It really is.
Seriously this is the Star Wars for adults that like great writing
That feels very poignant to me in the times we are in.
The biggest issue I had with the finale is that I realized during it that it’s gonna be ~2 years until the next season!
I'm so bummed that this season's over and we got to wait 2 years for the next season and the fact that there's only two seasons in the show total. This show is so ridiculously good it ain't even funny
For real! How could they not realize this content would resonate so well with 28+ fans (the majority of Star Wars fans) and immediately started filming after the final edit came out.
When Marva was giving her speech, her costume, the presence she commanded made me I have a flashback to hologram scene with the Emperor in the Empire Strikes Back. At this moment I thought "that's what a good Emperor would have been".
Andor is a 10/10 for me. Will be rewatching the series soon. Thank you very much Sith Council!!! Hope you guys have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!! 🙂 👍
Mike and I saw different episodes. 🤣 I absolutely loved almost everything about this episode. I'm with Sabraw. This is my favorite show this year by far.
What in the world is wrong with Mike!?
This finale is a masterpiece!
Go Andor season 2!
Luthen standing on the outskirts of the city, towards the end of the episode, as the battle rages on, echoing through the city's corridors was a touching moment 😢.
I loved how he was riveted during Marva's speech. He has seen too much to show much, but his eyes were so focused. This is why he burned his life and I think he felt for a moment that his sacrifice has not been in vain.
Bell hammer dude kicking the Stormtrooper out the bell tower was literally my favourite moment in the whole season other than "Never more than 12".
That was awesome
Great show absolute class. I have really enjoyed listening to your guys take on the show. Thanks to all of you and hope you have had a happy thanks giving.
Thank you and same to you!!
@@TheKristianHarloff Cheers Kristian 👍
Maarva's speech got me, I was tearing up a bit, and when the people started to revolt I was screaming with joy, and Love that kick to the Stormtrooper off the tower.
Gilroy said in an interview that even if they had the budget to do the Kreeyger situation they would've put that budget to use elsewhere. He said the perspective (except in rare situations) was always meant to be focused on the characters and the situations surrounding them
Yeah we weren't even introduced to the Kreyger character so there was no need to show that scene.
Man, I love Mike's grumpiness and how you three play off of one another. I'm not the biggest Star Wars guy in all honesty, but I've really been loving Andor and highly enjoying your coverage of it :)
Thank you so much.
It just goes to show the power of music. The writers put all their pieces on the chess board at the funeral and when that tonal shift hits you know it’s about to be on!
I love how this show incorporates what it needs to. I think they nailed it and stuck the landing.
I felt like it was super obvious from the 10th episode, that Mon Mothma was absolutely going to go with the betrothal.
Obviously. Why would they bring it up as an issue if she wasn't going to go that route? Still very powerful and so cool to see Mon sacrifice
Been waiting, absolutely loved this season! Love this show so much seriously. I really am excited for what comes next, I know we have all of these other shows coming both animated and live action, but I seriously just want more Andor. This has kind of revitalized my love of Star Wars after Book of Boba and Kenobi were mishandled. I really wish we were getting 4 more seasons and two!
I hope they convince Gilroy to do more!!
Love this show! It's been consistent throughout the entire season.
Man, this entire show is a master class on creating tension and this episode had me on the edge of my seat. I'm surprised you all didn't mention the great job they did with music, especially during the funeral when the band changes from that somber rallying song to what sounded like a revolutionary war battle march. This may have become my favorite D+ show.
This show is amazing can’t wait until season 2 comes. This is one of the best written and planed out Star Wars shows. I loved the episode arc structure I really hope this structure is implemented for other shows as well it really helps focus the story.
I genuinely tuned in to hear you guys gush about an amazing Andor finale! Well ... That didn't happen. However what an amazing series, so great! I loved it!!
2 out of the 3 of us gushed! Haha
@@TheKristianHarloff True!🙂
Great show everyone and thank you so much for getting together to discuss the final episode just before Thanksgiving. Much appreciated.
Thank you and hope you and the fam had a good one!!
@@TheKristianHarloff thank you we did!
That couch skit was gold, and I concur with Steph it was genuinely informative about the current SoA over there☝🏻
Great show as always. The season one finale was really good. Luthien was able to acquire what he wanted back in episode 3: Cassian himself as the rebel he needs. 2024-25 will be great for TV with season two of Andor and HotD on the way. Happy Thanksgiving to the Sith Council crew. .
This episode was freakin' fantastic. It actually acted as a tipping point to just barely push Andor ahead of Mando as my favorite Star Wars since Empire.... For now at least. They slamm dunked the landing, IMO.
Because it's Thanksgiving and we're in the season of peace and love and giving all I'll say is...Mike's an interesting character.
I was not entertaining the Kennedy leaving rumors one bit until hearing that they were waiting for Indy 5 to drop. Love her or hate her I think fans just hear what they want where she is concerned. Since Last Jedi every 2 weeks people have predicted the demise of Kennedy while trying to negate her wins and influence. Im not happy with the job she’s been doing and would like someone new BUT I have not been cheering or foaming at the bit to tar & feather her like some! I was in agreement that Iger returning would actually shield her more but if they are waiting for Indy and don’t want to start production on films until she is gone it kind of tracks because Indy 5 has been pushed so many times and we’ve had no movement on films.
My favorite SW property. The Rogue One/ Andor is what it’s all about.
Real good
Because Andor was so good about the way it used fan service through out the season the post credit scene worked as a great cherry on top. When that stuff is judicially doled out it works so much better! In season 2 I think we are going to see Mon Mothma actually cling to a different older religious tradition in the Force! At some point between now and when she leaves and declares for the Rebellion as an organization she comes to at least respect the Force enough to start saying “May the Force be with you.” In Rogue One. Also a character I think we could get introduced to in season 2 is General Jan Dodanna?
I wore my Show Some Class shirt today. Thanks to you guys for doing this even digital. I wanted to hear what you guys had to say about the finale. Next thing I'm watching is Forcecenter to hear what someone my age thinks about it. Steph thanks for hanging out with these dweebs. You bring the class.
Rock on! Thank you for getting the shirt!! I love the design!
Looking forward to rewatch Mando but Andor is my favourite Disney Star Wars production so far.
I could imagine Solo 2 being a 8 - 12 episode TV show. I feel like it could work with interweaving plots around Solo and the Hutt piece and Qi-ra and the Black Sun stuff and I would like to see more of Enfys Nest and other little pockets of resistance.
And now for something completely different… IF you remade the prequels now, who would you get to direct? Keeping the plot and story close to as is. I mean I don’t really know how you could recast it now but just a hypothetical
Kristian you the man! Your my favorite star wars person to listen too
As far as the Anton Kreiger raid not being shown- when we last saw the ISB, they were still counting the bodies. I suspect that someone, possibly Anton himself, will have escaped the trap, and we may see the raid retold from the point of view of that character when they are introduced in season two. And if they find out they were set up to take the fall…
They did the best show they could with covid restrictions and budget. That is why a lot of things happened off screen. They sort it out with excellent writing
Best time of the week. Sith Council baby!!
No you don't need to know the names. That's why I love you guys talking about Star Wars. It's a conversation with my friends.
What Andor does so well that The Last Jedi doesn't is that it is something different but it is not a meta exercise and understands Star Wars. This show understands Star Wars so well because it explores the act of rebellion and how dictatorships and oppression become these big evil. Best stuff I've seen since the OG trilogy!
No idea what Mike is talking about with the fan service thing. People have asked for years how the hell did they build the Death Star and now we have some sort of answer.. I thought it was a great touch. I have absolutely loved the show but S2 definitely needs to have a few more hints to Star Wars in there, which I think it will. A tiny bit of fan service (not too much) would go a long way towards making this a classic.
I totally agree with you. Thought Mike was koo koo for that take but that is why we love him!
@@TheKristianHarloff he’s likes to be controversial I think 😂 and yes we do love him!
Andor is a masterpiece
Hey, 1st off thanks for the time to review and share...Secondly, I know Star Wars is a big plate collective of fans but as a 10 yr old sitting there in May of 77' and everything since, it's a hard to hear the analytical "my preference" perfectionist....Andor, Solo and Rogue One are all the things in live action my generation of star wars have hoped for...Those comics and books were not available nationally in many communities...Andor and Rogue have moved to my Top 5 of all Star Wars content with Empire and NH...Thanks
Mike not wanting star wars to be star wars is funny and infuriating at the same time😂
Hahha
That funeral music felt like something out of The Shining.
Keen.
“I’ll know and remember the names when I remember the names!” 🤣 I love Kristian!
@@CorbCorbin I love that about him! lol
Haha
loved cassian since I saw rogue one on opening night, was excited for the show since it was announced, was SURE it was gonna be great. and I'm feeling so happy because it really did what it needed to do and more, and also I'm feeling vindicated lol
Listen, I absolutely LOVE this show. It's my favorite Star Wars anything. I'm just a little confused about Cassian asking to be killed or turned in. Why fight just to surrender? He promised he'd find Bix and his other friends. Wouldn't he be more motivated than ever to fight the Empire? I didn't understand this one particular beat, but I love where they left it with Luthen smiling at him, seemingly reconsiding.
I think he gave Luthen the choice to kill him or BRING him in, i.e. bring him into the rebellion. After the way Luthen had tried to recruit him previously, I honestly think Andor knew what his answer would be
Going to be interesting to see how K2SO will be introduced next season.
Just purchased Lady and Lordships for everyone in my family. Awesome/unique gifts without breaking the bank. Thank you for the discount and bringing to my attention. Happy Thanksgiving 😎
THANK YOU FRANK!
I’ll be honest when I first heard this show was coming out I knew I was going to watch it as a Star Wars fan but I didn’t have that excitement in me to watch it that I had for Obi-Wan Kenobi or the Mandalorian.
This show blew me away when they first dropped those first three episodes and I can honestly say that not only is this my favorite live-action Star Wars series of all time, it’s also my favorite Disney+ series of all time so far.
If you include the animated series of the clone wars in Star Wars rebels, those two are probably a tie for my favorite Star Wars series but if you’re talking live action Andor is by far my favorite. I honestly thought it would be a series that I would watch and kind of enjoy and when it was over it would just be out of sight out of mind. I never would’ve dreamed that I would’ve thought it was better written and just done better all the way around than even the Mandalorian. And that’s not a knock towards the Mandalorian, that’s a great show that I love but when you talk about critiquing a show and grading it on things like the writing, the dialogue, the acting , The suspense…. this is the best live action Disney+ series in my mind.
someone saying Andor was rushed is a first lol
I actually think we could get a nod to how they met in comics while recontextualizing things? Same with Mothmas public defection to the Rebellion. She makes her speech on a ship with the cast of Rebels BUT we could see Cassian watching her speech from somewhere else in the 2nd season. I think Gilroy has been good about sticking to canon and only bending or not contradicting things that are canon like Cassians birth parents, they very well could have been Separatists OR that moniker could apply to his adopted parents Marva and Clem?
Mon knew that her driver was listening. She wanted him to hear.
Damn! Wish you guys were in studio for this review...but amazing episode!
Great conversation abt the finale.
Thank you
Shout out to Sabraw who is fantastic at articulating her points and giving great analysis of the intricacies of the show.
“It’s a religion Steph” needs to be a t-shirt
Really amazing show and I can appreciate the finale, but agree with Mike that I kept waiting for something to happen (particularly involving our main characters) and the episode left me feeling a little unsatisfied / felt more like setup for next season. Makes sense for them to tie into the Death Star, but really hoping that is not a main focus of next season
I am with Mike about not needing the films to be like the MCU. Just make a great trilogy about new characters, it isn't that hard.
Loved the finale. It was so awesome to see Casdians mom rally the Rebellion. Made me want to join the Rebellion. Very Star Wars and very moving scene even with bricks and screws lol. Don't get how people hate on this series. So good.
Great season. Awesome finale. Steph council team Steez.
Regarding Mike (I'm in a mood 😉) Kalinowskis comment about the end credit scene, it seems to me that Mike and others who have complained about that scene are forgetting, the Death Star was NOT built to protect The Empire from Luke or any other Jedi, it was built to protect the Empire from Andor, Luthen, Mon Mothma, Saw and all other rebels or planets housing them....
Facts
Mon mothma giving up her daughter illustrates the squeezing hand of the beurocracy and the emperor forcing the rebellion to make sacrifices
Mike has some very valid points (the mothma stuff in particular) and I do find it to be a bit messier than some of the other episodes. Emotionally however, it hit me hard and I loved how it pays off Andor's development from reticent to rebel. I think Andor having to kill Val or Cinta to survive or something along those lines would have been much more narratively interesting
Just when I think I've finally figured out what type of Star Wars fan Mike is what he wants to see in a Star Wars show, he completely throws a curveball when he talks about what he didn't like lol
I loved the funeral procession music, it really felt like Star Wars can’t explain why.
Also #MakeSolo2happen
Serious question, happy you are a fan but do you think that Solo 2 is a movie that is going to bring people back to the theater and give Star Wars that jolt of energy that it needs? I mean if it was a Disney Plus movie, sure, why not.
@@TheKristianHarloff It would all depend on the execution and it might possibly be less of a gamble in theatres than a movie with all new characters.
It’s not likely to happen I realise that.
I would accept a Disney plus movie.
Really liked Brett reading us the comic stuff about how Andor met K2SO. It was very good. Maybe he could have a section where he informs us about comic or book content / information about these kind of Star Wars things? And Happy Thanksgiving.
We have two vids like that so far, the Andor vid and the Fabelmans review
I wonder if for season 2 , since we have big time jumps in between arcs, maybe they wont even try to tell the specific story of how Cassian and K2 meet, as described by Brett. Maybe they'll just jump time and make a reference to it. Like how we didnt see the ambush on Kryger, and as long as they make that make sense for the story they are telling, we'll be ok with it. At peast I will, as long as it is done in a similar way that makes me care more about the story they *are* telling
Andor wasn't rushed. They just left enough unsaid, so that we didn't have to be told what decisions were made to make those decisions. We know her driver is an ISB spy, we know she's worried about her accounts, we know she feels betrayed by both her husband, so she sets him up by making up a tale about him gambling in the capital, which he is not. It also explains where the 400,000 credits are coming from, when the Banker makes the transfer. We also always knew she was going to make the introduction with her daughter, because there was no other way out. It was either that, or the rebellion ends in it's tracks.
Also- star wars should be linked. It doesn't have to have characters from alternate Star Wars franchises, but it has to fit in a time and a place in star wars. It has to connect.
The Mandalorian fits in-between The fall of the empire and the sequel trilogy, this makes it Star Wars.
The sequel trilogy believed you could make three independent movies that had nothing to do with each other, call it star wars, and expect audiences to respond favorably.
Cyril is necessary in Andor because he is Andor's nemesis. He will now take over as the Supervisors assistant, and he will be the one to pinpoint Luthan. He specifically stated 'I didn't see him, but I would recognize his voice' and now he will get that chance.
Erso will have to make an appearance, because they specifically search out for his daughter at the imperial scrap heap. She was chosen because of it.
The deathstar is relevant, because Cassian will inform Luthan about the items they had been making, they will track where those shipments are going, and it will lead them to the Deathstar. This will trigger a search for weaknesses.
I hope to see Krennic and see Galen build up to sending that message to Saw. That’s something I think we missed dearly from Rogue One. Let Mads go off with this level of writing
Any reason you don't stick 'em on a schedule and then Premier these? Would be kind cool to watch with other homies in the community.
Two reasons. As far as schedule goes, it shifts when a Star Wars show is on. Because I put my spoiler review in the mornings, I don't want them to eat at each other, so I wait until 4PM PST or so to air them. Now that Andor is over, will go back to 9AM PST until The Mandalorian returns. As far as premiere: for some reason RUclips punishes you for doing those. When I do them, I lose tons of viewers and it is not promoted by the algo. It isn't worth the hit that the show takes.
@@TheKristianHarloff Makes sense. Glad we have the live channel now though, scratches that itch. Happy Thanksgiving!
Great show, great episode, can't wait until season two, I'm hoping the fan ideas of Luthan having some kind of jedi connection are correct, would add a cool twist to the story, love that character regardless, what a great job by the actor, that speech he gave in the previous episode is freaking all-time epic level stuff. The marva speech was spot on as well. Great writing, what a difference from a show like boba fett.
I just realized that Mike actually has a similar voice to Syril
Steph had a strong show. Really liked her breakdown…… and
Mike……
I’m sick of seeing the Star Wars symbol😂😂😂
I agree a lot with Mike about not putting the Trope-ish Star Wars things in the show.
This show should feel like we're a part of a rebellion uprising. It won't feel like that if we start seeing C3PO-like droids and hearing "May the force be with you." - That would suck me straight out of the immersion I get from watching Andor.
I have a major dislike for Mando Season 2, because Ahsoka and Luke became these background characters that just sort of stood around. Really hated that. Mando should have stuck with JUST being Mandalorian and Grogu, it sucked me out of the western vibe I got from Season 1 and it turned into a what feels like a fanmade show.
So curious what Season 2 will look like!
When it comes to Solo I wouldn’t do a sequel BUT I would love a series about the Crimson Dawn and Emilia Clarke’s character and Maul (with Ray Parks doing the physical performance and Witwer dubbing him of course) and seeing what happens to the Crimson Dawn and their characters and I’m assuming ending with putting Maul on his path that he ends up in Rebels
Yeah i was very slightly underwhelmed by the last episode, everything came together greatly and it was a great episode but just nothing really blew me away like it did in previous episodes
Mike is missing a key line of dialogue that mon said to vel “I have a plan”.
I’m calling it now! Luthen is Obi Wan’s brother and Obi Wan will be in Season 2
Interesting.
Tony Gilroy writing dialogue for The Emperor in season 2 of Andor, would be fantastic.
great show as always, hope yall had an awesome holiday!
not sure what to take of the Jeff Schneider "news"? so, he is saying they FINALLY have a road map?? thats awesome if so. I hope so. But, of course they are going to be "ramping up movies" in the next several years. lol. but there is no chance there is one by 2024, so its still like 6-7 years in between films. So its like, "Breaking News....Star Wars will be making movies again, .....sometime" lol
I sure hope they are going to finally have a road map. But honestly, if it is still Kathleen in place, i dont trust anything they say. Last tiny little road map/plan they fed us a few years back, most of the projects aren't seeing the light of day. Once Kathleen is out (hopefully this summer), have her replacement pitch the ramped up road map!
That Brett interview was genius 👏
Thank you!
Andor was a really good show and I think it’s the best written one by far. With Kathleen Kennedy possibly being done, I won’t believe it till I see it.
I hope I live to see season 2. It’s exceptional and I love it. ❤
What an incredible season of a show. This is perfectly written and acted but to me I enjoy the adventures of Mando and Grogu just a bit more.
Fair!
49:03 = Very true. Rogue One is the best of a very average batch of movies, so not exactly a high bar. What a freakin' MESS those 3 main sequel movies were, particularly The Rise of Shitetalker.
But Rogue gets better each time.
Didn't mind the undercover guy arresting the snitch because the ISB figured they were gonna be successful in their mission that day to catch Cass so being undercover at that point was kinda meaningless
I loved that end credit scene, so the empire used slave labour to build parts for the death star, clever set up to show how they are getting rid of the witnesses but also something that Andor or one of the escaped prisoners could follow and find this planet killer eventually!
Gilroy will not be taking any cues from the comics. So were back to a place where the novels, comics, and games constitute the Extended Universe. No big deal, but I think Lucasfilm needs to acknowledge it at this point. Could someone explain to me again the function of the Story Group? Anyway, I'll keep reading the High Republic novels, mainly because of talented contributors like Claudia Gray & Justina Ireland, but it doesn't seem as urgent now.
Rushed?! Nothing about this was rushed. It was executed perfectly. That take makes no sense.
Totally agree with you.
Man I tell you to stars of this show mon and luthen. Mon is just as bad as luthen in my opinion. She not only put the blame on her husband for the 400K but then doubles down by setting up her daughter with this betroval. As luthen sacrifices 30 men at basically the same time. I see no difference nthosnalso wherw i recognise this as the moment Mon becomes the rebel leader with her willingness to sacrifice her family. Also the line in from temek try means no jedi in this show at only regular people. Great show as always
Yeah, Mothma deserves the scorn from her family. I like her being morally grey, but the sith council crew oddly doesn't mention it much
Good points about stormtroopers, and Andor not being in trouble this episode. The first scene in ANH show the stormtroopers completely mowing down rebels. The more Andor escapes tight situations the less believable it is. He's human, not a Jedi.
True
Don't forget...all of the 5 recent Star Wars movies cane out during Bob Iger's tenure. So how much change will truly occur?
I don’t think you’ll see Andor meet K2SO. Their meeting will remain offscreen during a time jump!
Nah, they couldn't do that.
I don't know the name of the "used car salesman" either. I can't remember it if we ever heard it. I think that Andor ships them off to that moon in the same boat that he used to go to and from Morlana 1 in in Ep1. :)
I feel like mike just doesn’t want this to be related to Star Wars at all! Haha. He’s like I hated seeing the Death Star! Anyway I loved this first season. 🎉
I personally would love to see something that continued some of the story we started with Solo! Honestly just want more Donald Glover as Lando anyway I can get it :D lol
Maybe as a Crimson Dawn series, sure!
I think doing Solo 2 would be better and easy because the world of Solo is established; as spouse to staring from 0. You could bring Boba Fett Jaba other bounty hunters etc.
I think doing Solo 2 would be better and easy because the world of Solo is established; as spouse to staring from 0. You could bring Boba Fett Jaba other bounty hunters etc.
@@jesussalazar1901 It wasn't well received though. That would be a sure way for an executive to be fired. TV show, maybe.
@@TheKristianHarloff I'd rather see a Disney+ series as a follow-up instead of a theatrical sequel. I would just want to see Alden continue in that role, I remember watching Solo and A New Hope back-to-back, and thinking Alden nailed it. I wish we could all agree on that, but unfortunately it's become subjective....
Happy Thanksgiving! While Andor & Rogue One are the BEST of Disney Star Wars, SOLO wasn’t the worst… I’d welcome a SOLO2 series or films. There’s a lot of ground that could be covered before we see Han in the Cantina and Lando at Cloud City. The film’s introduction of Maul and the gangster underworld could touch on not only Jabba’s origins but also tie into content from Shadows of the Empire and even Force Unleashed. There’s also no reason why they can’t also do a flashback about SOLO’s time with the Empire that was glossed over. If done right, it can make prior works better. If done wrong, then it will be another Book of Why Did They Do Fett Dirty…
Amazing finale!
There's no way that Tony Gilroy and lucasfilm are going to let Cannon be completely destroyed. I have a feeling that the meeting between k2so is probably going to be pretty close to what was in the comic
How hard is it to be a producer when Steven Spielberg is handing you scripts telling you I'm directing. I want to to produce ?
great point Steph, on DC executing their movies/plan better than Star Wars. Its embarrassing!
if they keep Kennedy on at Lucasfilm past this summer, it is a gigantic mistake. stop the bleeding, and put the replacement in place. Just way way too many mistakes under her at helm. Sure, fantastic producer, talent...blah blah blah. she is the worst person/suit to be running Lucasflim. Displayed too much incompetance. I really do hope they get someone who loves Star Wars, and understands it, is excited about it (and not afraid to put out content)! Should be a no brainer. cut her loose after Indy
anyhow, LOVED Andor. such a refreshing series, that is some of the best content on Disney +
Yes, many of us do want another Solo project (i personally would love a Crimson Dawn series), and still really hoping for more Don Glover Lando!
Andor is to Star Wars as Aaron judges home run chase was to baseball - and for similar reasons