Should DRIFTA 4WD STOP doing this? Illegal ACTIONS
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2022
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So luke from Drifta 4wd has been acting like a bit of a flog lately and i just wanted to share my opions on what his been doing.
You may or may not agree with me and thats perfectly fine.
But we all need to remember to keep it civil
Thanks for watching guys
I don’t know the guy but Pretty big accusations mate if you have beef with him go see him instead of using your media channel to try and damage his name .Dave was correct 15 minutes of winging .I thought this was a 4x4channel first time watching this channel ,not impressed.
I agree.
Also telling them not to voice their opinions on their own channel whilst voicing your own opinion on your channel.
Then attacking his looks? Someone is very insecure.
I've read quite a number of comments after my first post and its amazing how so many are happy to hammer Luke without knowing what's he's done over the yrs. Sur, Luke is overly passionate about his beliefs and loves his family.
An attack on his integrity is unfounded IMHO.
How many can say they have done as much as Luke for a small town community such as Gloucester. Luke headed up the campaign to keep the Australian bush clean to the point he and Kaito would go bush and drag car bodies onto a car trailer to dispose of properly when councils wouldn't do the same.
He has given support to non Australian communities in aid to benefit their life styles. If anyone else commenting on agreement with Steve. Ask yourself, have you given as much selflessness to aid community and people over the last 10 yrs? I'm doubtful many can.
It's a sad day when lines of media can create an personal stream like this.
In clarity, I have nothing against making a point of your own opinion, but this video is not the way to do it.
Hey old fella.
I noticed your fairly passionate about this subject which is fantastic to see.
You’ve made a few points that I want to try and clear up.
Firstly, this isn’t an attack on Luke. This is something that hopefully opens Luke’s eyes to the image he is showing on social media.
Second. I don’t need to personally know Luke to have an opinion on what his putting out on a public social media account. Just as I get judged for my actions that I portray on social media he will as well.
Third. You’ve mentioned in a couple of comments that this video is only for my gain ( I’m presuming you mean subscribers and alike ) but that couldn’t be further from the truth from my end. I put my own brand at great risk to make this video as I knew full well there would be a lot of ppl that disagree with me as well ( I actually thought there would be more that disagreed but I was wrong ) obviously you prolly won’t believe me on that but for me I was genuinely worried about doing damage to my own brand. And to a small extent I have, I have lost some loyal subscribers because they don’t want to see this sort of stuff.
But I felt very strongly about this subject and felt it was worth the risk.
Lastly I want to bring to your attention the amount of comments in my favor of agreement.
That alone should show you that the branding that Luke is putting out at the moment IS doing damage and IS having an effect on sales.
You may not like to hear it ( as I’m sure Luke won’t like hearing it ) but it’s obviously true givin the 650 comments are 95% in favor of my views.
I understand he may have done some great things for the community over the years and I hope he gets back to doing more of that and less of what he has been doing for the last few months.
Luke would never talk to me about this subject prior to this video so I NEEDED to make a BIG statement online to get his attention and hopefully bring the brand back into the great light it deserves to be in.
I’ve had a few ppl from drifta HQ msg me actually thanking me for the video as they are hoping it opens Luke’s eyes as well.
Thanks for all of your comments and I hope you take this on board.
@@Australian4x4Adventures that's fair enough mate. I am only responding to the way I see it from your video, not knowing you personally and all.
I usually use a personal email in such cases but everyone to there own.
Cheers
And that’s completely fair enough that you are calling it the way you see it in the video. ( pretty much exactly what I’m doing with Luke’s socials. )
I’m glad I got the opportunity to try and explain myself better.
Have a good one mate.
I agree with you mate. As an Australian male watching another countryman carry on like this, well I'm just embarrassed for him! If I had a mate that carried on like this (I've never had one come even remotely close) I'd be pulling him aside for a chat:) Imagine what the diggers would think hahaha
Coming up next on Celebrity Boxing, Steve Vs Luke. Will Steve sit on Luke’s head or will Lume pull an illegal move to win the fight 🤷♂️. Now that’s a video I would watch 👀🤣
We need celebirty death match back on tv for people who remember the cartoon ahahahaha
your just as bad as him. this is why i dont watch your videos anymore .
🤣. Okay I think we have the comment of the day so far. Well played.
That's Gold!! 🤣🤙
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I totally agree. I just don't get how someone could be so dumb to put that on his business page rather than his personal. The saddest part is those that work for him will suffer.
That’s my point as well. His putting over 100 ppls jobs at risk as well.
Called having the balls to stand up for what you believe.
Sticking your head out! Well done.
I don’t know much about Luke and his products,
But I am very much looking forward to a mature response.
🤣. Yeah mature. I’m sure that will happen 😂
Whether people side with you or Luke that’s their personal choice.
Either way all I can say is that this whole situation has 1 major positive!
That is it has created a lot of awareness and discussion about modifications done to vehicles and to make sure people check their vehicles meet CURRENT regulations wherever they intend driving them, to ensure they won’t end up in a similar situation or paying a hefty fine.
Keep being you Steve, that’s why we sub to this channel 👍
Thanks mate.
And I figured the exact same thing when I wasn’t sure about posting this at all.
I said from day one I would be 100% with anyone willing to come in the journey with me and subscribe and I’m doing my absolute best to keep that promise
@@Australian4x4Adventures FIRST off I finally re subscribed to your channel again after my main account lost all of my subscribed channels.
A very interesting and somewhat polarising video.
Just a though, what's the possibility of making a video of the engineering process from start to finish?
Names, companies etc that understand what we do and can help without burning us dollars wise.
That would be a massive help to those of us who have no idea!
Cheers
Do you mean a video about making sure your car is legal?
That's the end goal.
Scenario... I want to fit a set of fancy seats ( insert whatever flavouryou like here ) to my triton. This will entail seat rail mods etc.
What's the process and who do I talk to, start to finish.
I have seen plenty of mods on some big 4x4 channels and when I've asked about engineering and processes, all I get is tumbleweeds and crickets
@@gonegliding2966 problem is there is no cookie cutter to engineering
There is a guideline in which each engineer interprets differently
So to label some for doing it this way in a video then some going to another engineer and they won’t do it will cause backlash for whomever made a video or guide to it
The rms list who can engineer a vehicle and it is up to you the consumer to call and speak to who you want to engineer said vehicle to get a guide on how they want it done for it to pass and be legal
@@gonegliding2966 This will vary greatly from state to state, but I believe Patriot have gone through this with their 40 series build recently. I haven't watched all the episodes, but from what I've seen, they put a 79 V8 into a 40 single cab, and went through the engineering process.
@@Australian4x4Adventures me no want to play this game 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Morning,
This is a little of the good bad and ugly, I left the DRIFTER camp when they continued to criticise other brands Patriot Campers as a example total lack of business etiquette. Well said.
They’ve done some odd things over the years
Totally agree with you Steve, I have made that exact same comment on his Drifta page a long time ago. Had advised him he needed a social media adviser, as he was destroying his business. Have since stopped buying anything Drifta, there are better options.
He needs to be censored. Still have him on camera but just edit out the crap parts
What is safe and what is legal/illegal are two different things. I just did a chopped 80 series conversion with extended chassis and gvm upgrade etc and got it all engineered. We had to do a hydro booster upgrade, fully brace F+R rear diffs, brace chassis suspension mounts simply for a 3495kg GVM. We asked for a higher GVM, that was the highest the engineer would allow. We asked to get 35's engineered but was not allowed that either. This 80 series has been beefed up way more than some factory cars that come with big lifts and big tyres and high GVM's from factory. Its not the engineers fault though, they are simply following the rules themselves. The people making those rules are where i believe the issue lies. This is in VIC by the way. I personally know someone with a chopped 80 series that had it engineered in QLD with 35s and a 3495kg GVM WITHOUT any brake upgrade or diff bracing. It just annoys me that somethings that are safe, are illegal, and other things that are approved and legal, are not always safe.
100% true. The rules and regs are a joke sometimes but we also need to play within those rules and regs until we can get them changed.
The thing is your idea on what is safe is based on your knowledge, experience, qualifications etc. Mine will be different, as will everyone on this channel for the same reasons. While I agree in principle with your opening comment, the real problem and issue that I have is how what is considered legal/illegal differs across the different states, these rules all exist supposedly to increase safety yet there seems to be a bit of mystery as to how to interpret them. If I'm not mistaken all these rules and regs are based on ADRs? From my research this is the case, why then, are they being enforced differently in different states?
Always best to over engineer. I've studied heavy vehicle standards as part of the apprenticeship I was doing. You'd be surprised what can happen, even with over engineered components
Engineered isn’t always legal. Engineers sign off dodgey shit all the time and customer gets bent over. I’m a copper in Qld and had a coil converted solid axle swapped twin locked 2000 hilux on 35s. Road police still smashed me when they visited our station and it was parked at work. All the engineering Certs and track days to sign it off didn’t mean shit when the work wasn’t legal by the book. 35s on pretty much anything that isn’t. Y62, or pre registration modded 79 will be illegal regardless of who signs off on it
Nanny state Victoria, and it’s spreading across all states cause they see the money train rolling in. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.
Unfortunately if Luke doesn’t shut his mouth he will negatively effect his employees, even before the Easter weekend the 4wd community has made a shift away from Drifta due to Luke being a flog. I’m glad someone with a personal platform has decided to speak out about this, knuckle head needs to be told.
Finally someone that realizes this is my personal platform and not a business for me 😂.
I agree with the business page being kept seperate to personal etc. I found your comment on the rest of the 4wd communities response to illegal mods and the police. I am on a few social media pages for various 4wd groups and the whinging about cops and get busted is thick and fast. Luke isn’t on his own here. Totally agree get mods engineered and do it right, don’t cry when you get busted.
Most people probably would think thru the legalities of no insurance! That gets scary
I think on social media ppl are too quick to throw out a flippant comment about not caring but when it comes to real life they really do care about Getting caught with illegal mods.
Part of my point to this video is why is such a big brand like drifta saying it’s okay to have illegal mods and stuff the police. It’s completely the wrong msg being put out by them
Completely agree with your commentary Steven good to hear. I am sick and tired of people not following laws getting done and then complaining.
I think that’s what annoys me more. The complaining.
@@Australian4x4Adventures It is also people ranting about rights while ignoring their responsibilities. I run a small manufacturing business and have a chronic illness, the covid response hurt my business but protected my life.
As 4wding grows in Australia, I've seen magazines, channels and business be very careful of what they say and what they publish.They know that what we can do in Australia, other countries don't have that privilege, and with the stroke of a pen our pastime will be a thing of the past. All of us represent the 4wd community. If we disrespect the public, the environment or each other, they'll close tracks, they'll close beaches, and they'll have no choice but to put up more red tape on vehicle modifications.
Absolutely correct. We ALL have a responsibility to uphold some rules to make sure we keep things open for us to use.
Regardless of what you do, these are and will continue to be taken away from us as our population grows. It’s been happening progressively and steadily for the last 40-50 years.
No one has the balls to stand up to it, everyone is apathetically happy to support a consumerist economy that relies on growth……
They lost me when they flew our flag upside down!
Yeah that’s pretty poor form
Never a truer word said
Love your channel
Hahahaha. Tell the haters that 😂
I agree everything done to a car should be legal, and yes Luke does have an reputation for going off on a tangant, he doesnt accept criticism very well going on what has happened to other youtubers.
As for the legal side, Im pretty sure that every state has different laws when it comes to car modifications, that is the problem, what is legal in one state can be illegal in another, wether Kato's car was illegal in NSW I dont know but you cant go on holidays without fear of some copper going on a power trip, IE: its illegal here but not in your home state, that is absolute BS.
Yeah I agree in that fashion. We do need a nation road worthy rule to make it easier for ppl to comply.
beadlocks are illegal in every state (the exception would be ADR approved wheels which come with beadlocks from the manufacturer but they are rare and not what Kaito had)
Australia was supposed to go to a national VASS standard for all vehicles, but a couple of states ignored the new ruling and the system somewhat fell apart.
The only part that didn't completely collapse was the heavy vehicle scheme with the white and blue numberplates starting with NV/NX ✌️
If you are travelling interstate in a modified vehicle it is not hard to check the laws of the state you are entering. I am around alot of modified vehicles for drags and I can garentee they all Che k rules of the states they are entering to make sure they are compliant. Sadly alot of 4wders have a yolo attitude hence why the mansfield cops are cracking down on it. They are probably sick of seeing idiots flying through with illegal modifications.
Thanks, Stev for this video some people think the louder i shout the more right I am but an unroadworthy car is still an unroadworthy car thanks for video mate I'll see in the next one
It’s also the msg he’s sending to his younger followers. They see a big social media person saying it’s fine to drive an illegal car.
Yeah I think you're pretty well on point. My old man gave me some advice before he passed away, he said "Mind your own business and your friends will increase".
Good on you Steve, agree 100% with your comments.
Thanks mate. 🙌🙌
Totally agree, As a 4WD community we cop enough scrutiny without someone with a large social platform behaving in such manner. I suppose people will make their own minds up on wether they support the business with sales. I think your point that he is not just the owner he has a responsibility to his staff . I certainly dont go around ramming down people throats that I am a pro vaxer. I just get it done and let others make their own mind up.
I’m glad you understood my point.
Thanks for watching mate
If we all stood up and said we want more freedom to modify and use our 4x4 perhaps the cops would have to step back. Then the scrutiny would go down. But no we side with oppression that WILL one day ban 4x4 completely.
Reading these comments is painful to my brain.
I stopped following him and buying their stuff ages ago, when they started importing the same cheaper gear that he was bagging other companies for selling. Totally hypocritical. Have bought drawers and gear from them before and still have the Snowpeak fire pit, but can't see myself spending any money with them again.
I can't say I've always engineered my cars fully, but if you get caught it's your own fault. Current Hilux is totally legal, considering we're traveling the entire country I kinda wanted it to be fully insured everywhere we go!
I would of thought a large brand like drifta in the public eye would be trying to show the correct way to do things. Like getting your car Engeneered
@@Australian4x4Adventures I agree 100% It's mind boggling that a company who sell gear to modify a vehicle appear to be actively discouraging people from doing it the right way. I'm sure there's a liability issue there somewhere that Luke hasn't thought of...
I love my Snowpeak firepit, I hate that Drifta distributes it
Absolute bloody gold!! Without doubt, the best vid I have seen this year. Love ya work Steve.
🤣. Always stirring the pot 😂
Totally agree mate. Safety & insurance is important and some people don't grow up. Excellent video & well said. 🏆
Thanks mate. Hopefully he actually listens to this video and maybe gets back to the true values of drifta
Spot on Steve... You don't have to agree with everything in life, but saying that it's really stupid of a business owner to not remain apolitical. You can really see a visible shift away from this brand from some of the major 4x4/camping influencers. Really disappointing given the overall quality of the product in the past. In hindsight, I am glad I decided against buying some draws and built my own!.. Version 2.0 soon with some of your tips from your build.
Given your a cabinet maker from memory?.. When is 4x4 Adventures going to do custom draw setups? 😉
Great video. There is far too many companies, influencers extorting the Aussie 4x4 community.
I feel as an online social media person we should be held to a higher standard as we are the ones ppl watch and look to for the correct way of doing things.
I do agree with a lot you said Steve.
On a side note I have a set of drifta draws in my lc200. After alot of research his design and product is fantastic and to this day probably my favorite modification to my car.
But yep shouldn’t put his personal opinions on a business page. (In business myself) and totally not on I agree with you there.
I’m not bagging his product but I was trying to explain that if ppl see him doing stuff wrong on his own cars then it’s not a large jump to think he’s doing something wrong on other ppls cars and products.
@@Australian4x4Adventures 100% mate. Just thought I would add my 2 cents about the product. Agree on that front tho.
Well said mate, it has been blown well out control. Yes his personal opinion should be kept away from the business.
I love your drawer build and have taken a lot of information from your videos
Thank you and keep up thengreat work and content
Thanks mate.
Totally agree, loved the draw video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks mate. Trying my best
Agree with you 100% I lost all respect for Luke when he was at a rally and had the flag upside down
🤣. Classic Luke 😂
There's laws for a reason. I've lost a good friend from an accident in a illegally modified 4x4.. Good honest home truths mate 👍🏼Well done and said
Thanks mate. Sorry about the friend you lost as well. It’s never easy.
Thanks for watching
What caused the accident?
Yes totally agree! It is a fine line tho - I do enjoy a bit of the personal touch, sharing the stories of how Drifta came to be, the struggles, development progress etc. Great to see a business founder being personally involved with customers like that. But I absolutely don’t want to see anything about politics or social issues. I think he’s kinda been lead astray as people who don’t appreciate it just tune out and his supporters are the most vocal so that’s all he sees and thinks great I’m doing the right thing. I guess the algorithm has taken care of it tho as I can’t remember the last time I saw a Drifta IG post…
Yeah I agree, I liked the story’s of how it all come about too.
But the rest can all be done without.
Most of what you've said about the legal/illegal (not necessarily unsafe) mods is fact mate. It's got to be remembered that the coppers being slammed are the same ones who have to put bodies of motor accident victims into body bags and have to tell the families. Engineers know a whole lot more about the deeper impacts modifications than what we do, I might not like it but it's the truth.
As for what actions of Luke from Drifta, if nothing else it's really unprofessional and people tend to take as fact, the opinions and 'advice' offered up by professionals so very irresponsible and dangerous territory for him to be ranting on a business social media page.
Exactly my point.
Thanks for watching
Great point that the same cops have to deal with the trauma of people in crashes as well. Hence, the government has the right to make these rules.
Great point. My Dad was a copper, was general duties then moved into scenes of crime photography and he dealt with bodies every day. Kids being killed by mistakes of parents and other horrendous things. People like Luke rant and rave but could never do the job they do. I've been to two fatalities car accidents and tried to do first aid to save them and they both died and that will never leave me, and that's only 2 occasions when the cops deal with way, way more than that. His unprofessional raving about these 'awful' cops just doing their jobs is actually disgusting and I'll never spend a cent with drifta. His inflated ego is going to lose him plenty of business.
100% agree with you Steve!
Even to the point that right now, I've been planning a new build and had at the top of my list drifta drawers, since the Easter stuff, I'm honestly not sure I want to be spending my money there. It's the constant sooking and poor me attitude that I just don't have time for.
Yeah, the “ this isn’t easy” crap is part of business buddy.
I’m sure all the money his employees make him is worth it.
Good on you mate, call those c sucker's out for what they are, mint!
Don’t lose sight of the fact that they still make good stuff
Agreed, some of there products are great, but they need to keep the company socials to company related reviews and R and D.
And that’s my main point.
I used to work at drifta back in 2017-18 as their engineer/programmer. I can't say a single nice thing about the guy. He is a user and a fake down to the core, to his employees, customers and his friends. He still owes me $500 or something and pays a lot of employees under the table so his complaining about the costs to run a business I found to be quite entertaining... anyways I could go on and on but it sounds like its nothing that you or other people in the comments don't already know. But I can confirm all of your assessments of him are correct. I am not shocked he tried to sue you either... what a clown.
I only caught the end of the whole thing. His son seemed to cop it on the chin. Luke seems to have blown his top the whole way home. Particularly funny that he blamed everyone for his trailer going flat, yet he was overload and later proved himself that His trailer was a piece of shit. The bloke clearly has a short fuse and needs to stay off socials. Knowing the darker or personal side of someone in business, can put you off buying in future. As it has to me.
Glad I found your video on building drifta style drawers and followed that, instead of giving them my money. No idea Stockton was full of imports. Glad I know that too now.
Exactly right. Which is where my comment about his putting his 100 odd employees at risk
Tend to agree... haven't gone off the brand but getting tired of the personal opinions on a business page.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their original drifta gear but what he’s doing doesn’t look like it’s helping that brand.
he's definitely made me think twice about buying Drifta these past few months, which sucks because they're great products.
Yessssssss
This has been a silent opinion of mine for a while. I'll never go near this company for the exact reasons you stated. And that was my opinion BEFORE this video.
If you read through the comments you’ll find ALOT of ppl think the exact same
Well said, I hope Luke takes what you said on board and changes his ways. I have now seen too many RUclipsrs drop his products and fallen out with him. I think all the 4WD community has tried to support him at some point and he has supported some worth while causes. I hope he can wake up before it's to late for Drifta.
I truely hope he does watch it and does something about it
He won’t change his ways that’s why you don’t see Frits at the shows
Drifta I ment
Which RUclipsrs have dropped Drifta?
It really isn’t a good look for a RUclips personality to be supporting Drifta
@@miggity_mac Ronny Dahl, Mr Buckaroonie, that I know of, both supported him and got burnt.
LOL did Luke actually try and sue you?? 😂 Was that because of your “Drifta” drawer build?? Great work there by the way, inspired me to do the same. 👍👍
Hahaha. Yeah he sent me a few msgs saying I need to take the video down or there will be legal action.
Don't take it down mate it has inspired many builds with that vid...great vid:)
100% spot on. I commented on Lukes first poston FB about having to go and get Katos Lux.
Basically said we all know what's legal and what's not, and if/when we get caught a decent bloke shrugs and takes his lumps.
We all know what the deal is. 🙄
Exactly right. And kaito took it on the chin and moved on. Unfortunately luke didn’t.
I just baught Drifta gear on the long weekend. I like the quality and support aus made, and his employees, a few I've got to know.
I agree Luke goes on and should only put his views on his personal page.
If we picked appart the owners of every product or service you'd end up with nothing.
Totally agree with you Steve👍. I stopped following Drifta on the social media platform as I found himself as an arrogant person and a hypocrite when promoting his company as truly making Australian made products but selling overseas made products as you have pointed out.
Keep up the great work you are doing on entertaining and informing us on RUclips.
Thanks mate. Next week vid will be epic.
Lots of China made products mate. The wild lands roof top tent is made in China.
Totally agree. I couldn't believe it when they brought drifta stockton out, seemed to go back on his word about Australian jobs and products. This vic high country drama has been frustrating to say the least if your legal u won't have an issue. Pretty simple. Great channel keep up the good work 👌👌
Exactly right. Make this legal and you’ve got nothing to worry about.
Can you please tell me the brand of induction cooker you used
It’s just a cheap one from catch . Com. I can’t remember the brand sorry.
Nailed it. Couldnt agree more. I've lost respect for the brand because of his actions and seemingly arrogant attitude on his business social media page.
Hahaha. Seems to be the common theme with the reply’s.
Luke appears to be a bit different, maybe that’s why he has done so well. Who cares. If you get done for illegal mods, suck it up and don’t winge. People will always attract others who agree with their opinions, doesn’t matter how out there they are. But why do you need to worry about it, just do your thing and keep going.
Because he has a large social following that he is preaching to.
He has to have some sort of responsibility for his action in showing young kids it’s perfectly fine to do the wrong thing and then complain when you get fined for it.
@@Australian4x4Adventures you won't change his or his followers views. Don't give him the oxygen.
Why does he worry about it,he should mind his own business.
@@Australian4x4Adventures guess you now going to boycott every large corporation/institution for lying/duping/sucking in kids to things they don’t need/shouldn’t do, that’s bad for them. Talk about the biggest influencer, leading the population astray, the government….
It's a pity LTD went like that, back when the Drifta Fans Camping Events (DFCE's)were cranking, it was brilliant times and an awesome company, hope he changes direction and things get back on track. Have met him quite a few times, never had an issue, nice bloke but needs to do as you say, keep his opinion separate to the brand.
If he could manage that I feel drifta would sky rocket for him and I wish him all the best in trying yo make that happen
Whats your brothers thoughts on this gidgee ? Lol
You took the words right out of my mouth 🙏🏼
Hahaha. Thanks mate.
I enjoy your videos Steve, I did have a chuckle at you having a rant on your business page (side business?) about someone using their business socials to rant.
Keep up the good work mate!
Agree completely. Went from wanting to buy Drifta drawers/products and attending their camping event to unfollowing on all social media and looking elsewhere for the same products. The lack of professionalism and business etiquette lost me and several other people I know.
Go through the comments. There’s hundreds of ppl who have said the same thing.
His lost a lot of business
I agree, I don't like Drifta as a business because of a few poor purchases ive made.
I'm sure he'll write an essay length response to your vid. Ronny Dahl has problems with look as well
I’ve got a few drifta product and I’ve been very underwhelmed by them.
The biggest problem with drifta IS THE DRIFRA 😂
Yep, Australian custom manufacturer that could even make a custom size table. They couldn't even make their normal table half descent. Anyway I'm going to keep an eye on the comments
I stopped watching Dahl as well.
@@AussieDazza why?
Obviously, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have noticed some really un-relevant comments on the Drifter media pages over the last couple of years. Just brushed it off, not knowing everyone else is noticing it as well, and obviously just as annoyed as I followed them for their influence on the 4wd/camping scene. Totally agree, a business is a business and Luke needs to separate work from play "so to speak". Glad that you brought it up...lol
Thanks mate. I truely hope Luke takes all this on board and does something about it.
Gold mate. I share this view 100%. U got to be careful about what you say when you can influence others just for greater good. These laws are rubbish we all know that but If u're illegal its black on white like a traffic fine-just pay and move on
And that’s pretty much my entire point.
Play with in the rules until we can get them changed.
well said, sadly he has become the Australian My Pillow guy
He has what could be an amazing brand, but just the wrong man as the face
ok... Stefan... that wins the Internet for today..
Seems the money and power has gone to Luke's head. You're right. The brand is bound to come under question. Well done Steve.
For someone who runs a compony of 130-140 ppl you have to have a level of arrogance about you. Because you need to be confident in things you do and say.
I think he probably has a bunch of yes men around him that don’t check his behaviors every so often so he is prolly in this little bubble of “ you’re absolutely right mate “ which isn’t healthy
Nice vid. Never bought drifter gear, never will. Made my own drawers after watching your build.
Hahah. Awesome mate. Glad the video helped ya out.
Finally someone that knows how to spell drawers lol
Breaking the rules and saying you're not hurting anyone is no different to driving 100 in a school zone and saying I haven't hurt anyone. The question is when.
That's it mate, it's only a matter of time. I would hate to know I'd injured or maimed someone because of illegal modifications that were unsafe and non roadworthy.
Steve, freedom of speech is a luxury we have in Australia. I don't dispute the legality of this discussion. However the longer this video goes the more hypercritical I find it.
Luke is a friend of mine and that's not to say everything he does is correct or I agree with.
Anyone that knows Luke personally will agree he is far from the person people may see him to appear to be on social media when he has a rants.
Sadly the Aussie way is to apply the small poppy syndrome.
Some of your comments are very inaccurate about the company and products and to imply the company is dodgy is well off topic and wrong.
In view of the final remarks, seems there is more to this video than your personal opinion and maybe a chance to gain a greater media base.
Ill probably get hammered for being on the other side of the fence about Luke. Knowing him personally he is one of the few truly Australian blokes I know.
Personal attacks on media channels is not something I agree with and always tends to move to a witch hunt.
I would have preferred you made factual comments once off topic than assumptions, mostly incorrect.
You have great content but this isn't one off them.
I’ve replied to another one of your comments answering a lot of what you raise here.
I'm sorry mate but none of that justifies his actions. There are many people out there with good intentions, who do great things for the community and provide positive benefits to those around them.
But they manage to keep their private opinions, slander and plain arrogance to themselves and not use their public business profile to push an agenda to those who may not want to see it.
Remember. An opinion is like a penis. It's okay to have one, it's fine to show it around in private, buy don't try and wave it in public or push it in people's faces.
Good onya mate,I totally agree
@@jordan00191 I wasn't meaning to judge right or wrong. My point is, fair enough to call Luke out if you disagree I don't have an issue with someone making their point of view. . But to go on and slander the company and the integrity of the same on personal feel is wrong.
He does seem to have an issue with Luke and I think that shows in the latter part of the vid. Its not my intention to get caught up in a right or wrong discussion, but; the video should have been short and too the point, the later side tracking of the discussion was not warranted or needed.
@@TheOldFellasTravels totally agree. The last bit of this vid was painful and the hole just got deeper. You could tell there was more to it than public safety.
I would rather see your channel telling us about good value for money products, you’ll never be able to get around all the dodgy cats in the industry but you might be able to show us most of the good ones.
Fair comment.
Wow loved this episode! Really made me re think them. Thanks for the revelation 👍😀
Absolutely agree, you got some hate off this.. you did warn everyone at the start 🤣
🤣. Yep. Fair warning.
His line "This was how Ned Kelly was born" sums up how unhinged he has become over the whole thing.
🤣. So true
I & the wife live full time in Mansfield, and am a avid 4wd enthusiast, The local police are red hot on extreme machines round these parts, The Local Social Media sites, showed clearly the local police working the main street booking illegal vehicles as they sat parked up in the main street on most days of the recent Easter break.
Quite a few were loaded onto to tow trucks, not allowed to be driven away, So they weren't discriminating, if it was illegal, you were being pinged,
Being a member of the local volunteer emergency services up this way, we openly support, illegally modified machines being put off the road in and around the high country.. We get regular callouts for vehicles in trouble up in the hills, over the long weekend breaks,
The reason are varied for the call outs, but most are for vehicle roll-overs , I will hold my personal thoughts as to why a lot of these incidence occur, but the police aren't dummies, they have the job of working out the reasons for the majority of these events an respond accordingly with more active policing in and around the high country, hence the very serious response to these types of vehicles visiting Mansfield and the Beautiful High Country,
At the end of the day, we all want to go home safe, and Locals love visitors, but if you want to push the legal requirements of a roadworthy vehicle in Vic, Mansfield's probably not the place to visit lol
Thought you might chime in.
Yea, that's bollocks, quite often police will ignore engineers certs (which make a vehicle legal) or pin people for factory components. Plenty of videos and photos out there of fellas being reamed on the roadside to take it to the inspector, the inspector finds everything ticks the boxes and the photos show the vehicle has not changed. You just sound like the 4wd version of a Fudd. As someone who is also a member of an emergency service and road crash qualified a large proportion of accidents I see are roll overs as well - and they're on the highway... it's almost like it's common for people to avoid things and momentum carries vehicles over....
@@Dig163 I'm with you on this. The only study conducted on 4wd involvement in crash data carried out by Monash University showed that despite the high rollover risk, 4wds were under represented in crashes. They put this down to drivers and found that driver style is the main factor in crashes, not the vehicles.
The police have biases and act on them, not necessarily statistics. I have a number of friends that are ex police and they talk about a very toxic culture within the regular force and something much worse within traffic. We had a cop in Perth that had a person grudge with 4wds. He was responsible for half the defects in the city.
It was so bad that he was pushed out and now drives trains, but this was after all the damage he did to the reputatin and credibility of the department.
The Mansfield police are showing their discrimination when it comes to protecting and serving. I'd love to see their crime performance statistics or hear some stories about there general policing stories. We have some horro stories here in WA and when they make it to the public areana the Commissioner will shut them down, I have heard him do this. They are like a lot of government departments, they have zero contingency for making mistakes, they just don't acknowledge that they do.
Business perception is incredibly important and powerful.
Build on the positive 👊👌
100%. Which is why I respect your brand so much.
Very valid video! Definitely agree with what you have said!
Thanks mate.
Hahaha, knowingly starting a video with the disclaimer that this is going to piss some people off…. Your a lot like me mate. Knowing that you’re going to piss people off and continuing anyway lol…. I’ve now subscribed to your channel, keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing more controversial videos!
Hahahaha. Never shy about coming forward with the hard facts 😂.
Thanks for watching and the subb. Enjoy the rest of the channel buddy
Drifta gained a fan here mate. Bringing someone’s personal choices e.g vaccine mandates on a video mainly to do with illegally modified vehicles is ridiculous. Also doesn’t help that the video is 15 minutes of you consistently repeating yourself, could of easy said your peace in 5 minutes.
No one asked you to watch the video. 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️. Don’t know why you’re complaining about free content that you can either choose to watch or NOT to watch. 🤷🏿♂️
Did Luke take down the defect videos? Can't find them anywhere.
It wasn’t a RUclips video is was all on there Instagram page which yea. A lot of them got taken down.
I, too was unimpressed with the lead time and exorbitant price for a wooden drawer.......I made my own from aluminium (only needed a single for my Y62 Patrol )
Gr8 vid Steve, ya funny bugger.....
Hahaha. Thanks for watching mate
Hi Steve, I enjoy what you do. My take on this video is I'm not sure why you chose to put your neck out there as there will surely be a response from Luke. To my thinking life is too short to bring unnecessary angst into our life. But hey, I admire the fact you have the balls to say what your thinking.
Ps, why don't you do videos with David Dash anymore? As a 62 owner they were great.
Hahaha. I felt fairly strongly about this subject so I couldn’t help myself.
Dash and I live 650km apart so it makes it very hard to film stuff together sometimes.
@@Australian4x4Adventures but you have me 🤪
Totally agree, I use to respect him for giving it a go, but yeah he’s lost the plot lately, the cult following he and drifta had/has got to his head.
He got import rights for the Japanese camping gear and then copied it, pot/kettle ?
Yeah, he complained about other ppl copying things but now his the one doing it. 😂
Well said bro if your car is legal you won’t have a problem
Exactly
Totally agree with your rant.
Kudos to Luke being a trueblood.
This is a 15 min vid about winging that some guy can use his business to speak about what he wants to.....
Yep. It’s a wonderful world isn’t it hahaha
Freedom of speech well done! I give you 2 cheesy thumbs up 😂
I have never supported the DRIFTA brand.
🤣. Cheesy 😝
110% agree mate! And well said! 🙌
Thanks mate.
Awesome video mate, we’ll said. Keep up the good work.
Thanks mate.
Luke has created something great, but like a lot of people who can create something, they shouldn't be running it, get a GM.. He does seem very intense and angry, he fixates on things, like leaf springs are the best, and just won't admit that he is wrong for a lot of situations. Id does not surprise me at all he is, or would be, an anti vaxxer or rabid conspiracy theorist.
I guess the public will vote with their wallets on way or the other..
Exactly what should happen
For Luke to have his own personal beliefs is fine such as being anti vax but he is really dumb and self destructive when he chooses to use the company site to voice those opinions. We need to all support freedom of choice without discrimination. If someone decides that experimental vaccines are not for them that’s fair enough and their right to choose without discrimination should be supported by all.
Could be talking Musk here?
Wraps it up nicely, I’m glad DRIFTA and in particular Luke are saying this stuff so I don’t buy anything else from them. I’m sure they’ll retain customers that resonate with them but I’m not one of them.
I had no idea about this until you brought it up. Sorry mate, makes me think you have some sort of a grudge. Good on Luke for speaking his mind. Own Drifta gear. Will buy more.
Yeah well said. Even though Kaito took it on the chin, he still managed to add that he won’t be back to Mansfield….so does that mean he isn’t going to be compliant???…could be a chip off the old block. I have hardly any drifta gear…there’s a lot of great products about. Interesting to know he tried to sue you over drifta style draws….and yet I see Anderson style connectors plastered all over the Webb…
He’s a flog. I like your content. Catch ya later…
Hahaha. Thanks buddy.
Lets not forgot all the products Luke has copied, just look at the Stockton range, gee wonder where most of those designs came from. Pretty sure he ran afoul of Quick Pitch as well with the Ensuite at one point iirc.
@@MrLoridin and those clear top bags that he copied from a western Australian bloke so I believe….and then claimed them as his own idea….
@@paulsnee3364 yeah those were the ones that Ronny took issue with I think, as Ronny had them at a Drifta camping event and Luke lifted the design which ended their collaborations. The guy has form for bad behaviour.
I don't disagree with your assertions Steve, but I would have just let them become another "bury my diesel". And reap the rewards they sow.
It's your channel and you can do pretty much whatever you want. Though I can't see anything good becoming of this.
P.S. I haven't followed their socials for years because of their behaviour, and missed the whole "bearded Luke" phase. I must say from a bloke who hasn't seen any of my chins for decades, he should really keep it shaved.....
This is just a one off thing that was getting under my goat hahaha.
Back to regular viewing next week hahahaha
I agree with what you say mate, but it's clear there's some history here.
I guess at the end of the day he can say whatever he wants to, but definitely shouldn't be pushing a personal agenda on his business socials as I'm not interested. I'm only interested in what they have to sell.
Gotta say I wasn't totally happy with the drawers I paid top dollar for.
Essentially they are awesome, but there were a couple of quality issues.
They were sorted pretty easily,but shouldn't have been there for the price paid.
They did help sort them though👍
I’m not bagging the company or product, so don’t take this vid as that.
It’s more that he has a large online following and he should be held to a higher standard to make sure he’s showing ppl the RIGHT way of modifying cars.
@@Australian4x4Adventures yep definitely got that message mate. I acknowledge that you have no issue with their gear.👍
Thanks for sharing Steve. I had no idea about this. I didn't notice anything about this on their RUclips channel. While I agree with your basic premise that Luke needs to keep his personal opinion off of his business media, I wonder if you recognise that you're sharing your personal opinion on one of your business platforms. As for the issue at hand, I used to get pissed off when I got a speeding fine and I'd blame the police for "revenue raising". The bottom line is that if I wasn't speeding, I wouldn't have copped a fine. It's called accountability. It sounds to me like Luke got pissed that Kaito's car got defected and he's blaming the cops for doing their job. At the same time, I believe that the laws need to match throughout the country instead of being different in different states. That, I blame the government for.
Hey mate. Thanks for the comment.
I’ll start off by saying this isn’t my business, this is my personal RUclips channel that I’ve grown by sharing my opinion on products that I use and sharing my trips and life with ppl.
I totally agree with you on the uniform laws throughout states.
@@Australian4x4Adventures I appreciate the clarification Steve.
Agree that Luke should keep his personal views about whatever off his business pages. But Luke has stated from the start of Drifta Stockton that it is a completely different business to the original Drifta business and that the Stockton products would be out sourced. I am lead to believe that if he didn’t do this, the original business would have failed. I am also of the understanding that both Luke and Kaito, test and tweak a good amount of their Stockton products before they are put up for sale. Yep I’m a Drifta fan and enjoy their products and after sale service. But again, yes Luke should keep his personal views on his personal pages.
I think I said in the video I wasn’t sure if they were imports or not so I didn’t go into much detail about that.
I’ve since learnt that they all are.
But I remember very clearly luke making several post and videos about how imports are killing this country and they he will never do it.
Next minute…….
@@Australian4x4Adventures Drifta Stockton imported. Drifta stuff made in Australia.
As much as what alot of you said is true. I feel this video is just for the views in which I feel this video going to the same level as luke.
And I knew a few ppl would think that and that’s fine.
But this is my personal RUclips channel and I’ve grown based on my opinions of products and experiences so this isn’t out of the ordinary for me.
But I do understand your views
Hey Steve I went off drifta along time ago use to watch there channel but have gone right off them good on you for calling him out I use to have a heavily modified Jeep with 37's and I returned most of it back to stock and got rid of it cause I knew is a cop pulled me over it would be yellowed my new ute has been modified with in modification laws to be legal.
I’m all of modified cars. But yes. Keep it legal and safe for yourself and other road users.
lol it's funny every mod I did to my jeep was safety in mind and all mods built by companies in the states from large brake kits to heavy duty steering
100% agree with your views. Drifta wont get any of my $’s. Ask Luke about his military career and you might get a true insight of the person.
Yeah I know about him going awol. Speaks to the man.
Yeah he went AWOL 30 years ago. So what? So did my father as a RAAF Sergeant when my oldest sister was born. He still made it to Warrant Officer and left the RAAF after 33 years with a glowing record.
Now you’re just getting personal about ancient history and you’ve lost me as a subscriber. The guy has replied to my email enquiries personally, on public holidays so that is recent (not ancient) history and speaks volumes to the man.
Imagine trying to start drama in this industry. He runs a successful buisness, clearly. So why does it bother you what he does or says?
You said yourself in the video about the vaccine "you do you and I'll do me simple as that"
Because as a large social media person he has a responsibility to lead by example to his younger following.
There’s too many rouges getting around and it needs to stop.
@@Australian4x4Adventures
He's never told anyone to do anything and if people can't make decisions by themselves that's up yo them.
Would you prefer everyone abides by every single rule and law? Where does common sense come into play? These guys spend every spare dollar and minute on their rigs and comfortably drive them around the country and are probably 10x more maintained than any other normal commute cars on the road.
I think he's argument is let boys be boys and bring some common sense in
A problem arises when you try toloudly
influence others to follow your opinion particularly when it is contrary to scientific advice
A lot of respect for you Steve. Your gonna get people abusing you but that’s what happens when you call someone out.
Unfortunately what luke does and says will resonate with the anti vax/freedom movement in Australia.
You are only saying what majority are thinking. Keep doing what you’re doing!
Thanks mate.
Only a little bit of hate so far.
I’m waiting for someone to share it to the drifta fans page 😂
There comes a point when an entity like Drifta has influence and the owner of that entity has arrogance . Put the two together and you get a scant disregard for the laws of the land by the owner. Who knows who will come knocking on his electronic door...wonder whether the trip will be a business expense for promotion say...and the deputy commisioner of taxation tells one of his colleagues to flag and review the financials at tax time..could find himself having an audit which is annoying. Piss enough people in some sort of power off and there will be some flashback.... good to have your point of view.
Thanks mate.
I may be right I may be wrong but I felt it needed to be said
I do not follow neither Luke or Kaito on any social media so unaware of this. But what I found interesting is the XR6 Seats part. I didn't realise fitting XR6 seats is considered illegal unless engineered. This is a very popular mod on the 80 Series Landcruiser. I am actually seriously considering this for my 80. I am just waiting for a reasonably priced set in good condition to come on sale. Then get the seat rails adapter kit from the guys at Huracan Fabrication (based in VIC). Since they commercially sell them, wouldn't they be engineered to meet ADR Compliance? If I have to get my own engineering certificate done, then I won't bother. What about the the other aftermarket seat brands (ie. Recaro, Stratos, Sheel-mann etc), does it mean you'll also need to get it engineered if fitting any of them?
I’m currently looking into this in a lot more detail so I can make a video about engineering.
But as far as I can tell so far yes. You would still need to get your own engineering cert done still.
@@Australian4x4Adventures That'll be a great topic to cover (engineering). Looking forward to that. 👍
@@Australian4x4Adventures Which I think I recall Ronny did for his 79 refurb if I recall correctly? Looking forward to your engineering vid too!
@@Australian4x4Adventures I too am looking forward to this engineering video. As I too was considering upgrading my OEM seats for aftermarket ones.
Coming from a modified car background. Seats are usually fine. If they've come out of something domestically sold and legally registered here they must be complaint with ADR. This is why Honda Integra Recaros were such a popular swap in almost any Japanese performance car. You can pretty much use any seat you like, unless you had curtain airbags within the seat as it's a defect to disconnect/remove. Same goes for airbag steering wheels to non airbag. You will never get your car registered, and if it makes it past your rego check, your insurance is most likely void in the event they do the assessment. The thing that they are picky about is seat rails, you can't muck around with those and they need to be ADR approved/engineer signed them off. You'll find adaptor plates and brackets sold everywhere but few if any will be ADR approved. No one wants seat's coming apart from the floor in the event of an accident
I wonder if the real issue here is about illegal mods or about Lukes personal life views which he shares indiscriminately around the web. Lukes has the right to his own opinion and it is his choice on how he expresses it. It may not be appropriate to the many subscribers on Steve's channel but we are all entitled to freedom of speech. How Luke runs his business is up to him. BTW, I have never purchased from Drifter and I have always enjoyed Australian 4x4 Adventures...
Hey steve. I know you’ve always watched my stuff because I notice you comment on most of my vids.
I’m all for free speech. Look at what I’m doing, it’s all because of free speech that I can even make a video bitching about Luke.
I honestly feel strongly about 2 factors that his doing.
Firstly is that his hurting not openly his business but all the ppl that rely on the job they have under him. If he fails then all of them suffer. Drifta is in a small town and employs ALOT of the locals and there arnt a lot of other opportunities.
2 and prolly my bigger beef.
As a social media person and in his case a large social media person. I feel he has a responsibility to be held to a certain level.
So at the moment his showing all his young and impressionable followers that it’s perfectly fine to illegally modify your car and say stuff the police.
Something I feel will have a bigger ramification down the road.
And at the end of the day, he can and prolly will just ignore me. I’m a no body to him.
You took the words out of my mouth rock on bloke, You should do more of these soap box videos they are interesting and true facts. Take care and enjoy your long weekend mate.
Hahaha. I’m getting a few msg saying the exact same thing 😂. Turns out I’ve touched a nerve with ppl
Agree that all he does is complain.And he will not listen to anyone else about his products.
I’m hearing lots of story’s today about lack of customer support once his got ya money
I'm 100% on drifta's side here. Like come on, beadlocks in an off-road situation should be allowed 100%. And so what that he changed the seats? The cops just had nothing better to do and thought they would pull him up to make it an easy booking until they worked out most of it was engineered so they just clutched at whatever they could to justify the time to pull him over in the first place.
You'll find though they had no problem with bead locks as such, the issue came into it when driving in the public domain and on public roads, that's the problem. Same with the seat modification. The rules and regulations are in place to protect EVERYONE on our roads, not just a select few. If his vehicle was illegally modified and not plated, the infringements are justifed by the law enforcers.
I respect the balls you've got to stand up against a huge cult like following like drifta and be 100% adamant!!!! Love your content keep it up mate!!
Hahaha. Thanks mate. A few of the cult following have had a go at me but I’ve got thick skin. I’ll be fine 😂