Yes. I think of Palestine all the time, it has up-ended my world view, all else is trivial. I am exhausted, but get energy from people like Makdisi Bros. And the brilliant Tariq Ali. Have to find ways to fight the forces of this genocidal empire
Can't stop thinking about the "Palestinians", but Syrians,Yemenis, Kurds, Egyptians, African countries, are all less important. Maybe your inability to think about anything else has to do with the Qatari/Palestinian brainwashing machine.
I'm autistic and I finally realised that palestine has always been my main special interest I did my history degree about it and I remember that the last time I stopped eating and talking because of being depressed about the world ignoring palestine I ended up being put in the psychiatric system. It's very difficult to point out to people how much the dsmv is used to prevent revolutionaries from being listened to.
Have you heard Bryn Jones' project Muslimgauze? His hyper-prolific output (approx 90 releases on 30 labels in 15 years) was mainly focused on Palestinian resistance. He died 1998 at age 37 and remains largely unknown. His music is subtle and sonically restrained but politically charged.
They like to shut austistic people up because the tendency towards (what they call) hyperfocus is useful in the hands of good people, for changing the system.
Great discussion 🙏 I’m so glad I’ve found this Chanel 👍 another ‘teller of truth’s’ I can trust for accurate information. 🙏🇵🇸💔😭💔😭 #humanity #freepalestine
I highly suggest you interview Tony Greenstein who wrote an fascinating book which i am currently reading on Zionism during the holocaust . The book documents the long right wing fascist support of Zionism especially in Nazi Germany. He should be heard by more people and i think you would have an amazing discussion.
The citizens of the empire are the ones that can put an end to this, but it requires a lot more ppl taking to the streets, calling on their congressmen and women to change their policies, boycott etc....
When we blockaded the administration building of Princeton University protesting apartheid in South Africa in 1984, they did call in the city police to arrest us. (and city police carry guns)
Haven’t watched yet but just from the title I wanted to share I had my final project to graduate college in October. I ended up having using all of my drops to drop the class three times because I couldn’t follow through without falling off or getting behind. (1 class per month type thing) then I had to temporarily withdrawal because I just couldn’t make it happen. Now in that last class again, going to finish this time. But just wanted to share as one testimonial to the fact that what’s happening there has weighed so exceptionally heavy on so many of us. Don’t ever forget what they’ve done. Don’t ever forget what you’ve seen, what you’ve read. Don’t ever forget who made it possible. Don’t ever let them get away with it
This title alone: either we are only thinking of Palestine or can't deal anymore with our helplessness, the inability to process the slaughter and hypocrisy and try not think about it. It's a consuming rage and helplessness, a pathetic condition where we "watch" our screens like we "watch" Netflix.
Wonderful interview and a great post-interview discussion from the three of you. I noticed one of you was in London (my city). Is there any way you could all visit for a live Q&A somewhere here. I'm sure you'd have a good audience. Between you there must surely be a way to connect with one of the Universities or cultural venues here. LSE, Somerset House, Mosaic Rooms, RSA, Barbican, UCL ...?
As a second generation Palestinian whose parents were forced out from their land in 1948, thinking about Palestine consumes all our lives and that of our children the third generation, until when I wonder… (formerly from Sidani street)
Palestinian armerican living in a highly liberal, pro Israel area. have never felt more isolated in my perspective on the world. feels like everyone is complacent or in favor of the genocide in Palestine. glad to find videos like this
Pessimism of the intellect, Optimism of the Will "I’m a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will." Antonio Gramsci in a Letter from Prison (December 1929) Antonio Gramsci "You must realize that I am far from feeling beaten…it seems to me that… a man out to be deeply convinced that the source of his own moral force is in himself - his very energy and will, the iron coherence of ends and means - that he never falls into those vulgar, banal moods, pessimism and optimism. My own state of mind synthesises these two feelings and transcends them: my mind is pessimistic, but my will is optimistic. Whatever the situation, I imagine the worst that could happen in order to summon up all my reserves and will power to overcome every obstacle."
Oui c'est un sujet très préoccupant qui perdure depuis décennies. La colonisation anglaise a créé ce gros problème et cela est resté sans solution. Les américains ont maintenu ce problème pour trois raisons principalement: 1) avoir un contrôle sur la région (canal Suez et avoir un oeil sur le Moyen-Orient); 2) la devise américaine est fondée sur le pétrodollar, la réserve principale se trouve au Moyen-Orient; 3) la vente des armes et favoriser les industries militaires américaines et européennes. La seconde guerre mondiale, beaucoup de juifs de l'Europe de l'est, de la Russie et de l'Allemagne cherchaient une place pour migrer. Ainsi Israël a été construit sur les colonies anglaises (la région connue comme la Palestine). Toutefois, ce territoire était déjà occupé par par les arabes de confession musulmane, chrétienne et juive. Ils vivaient paisiblement. La migration des juifs sionistes (majoritairement athées) est plus intéressée par le territoire méditerranée mais aussi par le tourisme religieux: Jérusalem est trois fois sainte pour les religions abrahamiques (judaïsme, christianisme et islam).
It is really astounding how you guys can do this entire conversation without once mentioning - even in passing - the Palestinian resistance and its allies, how Ali can talk about 'military' dominance' of the US when they can't even stop the Houthis from bankrupting Israel, dismisses out of hand the immense changes going on in the global south, with the military alliance of Russia, China, Iran and DPRK, and so many other things that simply don't exist in his and your reality. Apparently the only defence Palestine has is US students... No wonder you get depressed amid all this defeatism and dismissal of any actual armed resistance. I have immense respect for Tariq Ali, but on some issues he is and always has been very very wrongheaded.
@@lanialost1320 Ups. First I understood 'donut' ☺, then doner. 'Dollar' makes much more sense, but of course it's nevertheless shameful to sentence someone to death for stealing such a ridiculously small amount. Thank you for the correction. ❤
Starmeris allegedly a human rights lawyer and ahould therefore know that human rights are indivisible! Moreover as a human rights lawyer who happens to be the new prime minister, Starmer is cognisant of Britain erga omnes obligations relative to the international legal norms it signed and ratified especially in regards to recent icj pronouncements
Thanks for this very interesting and inspiring discussion. Concerning the discussion between about 45:00 and 56:00, I do think the narrative is changing against 'liberal zionism', at least is some countries in Europe. You can see it how media that were/are staunch defenders of Israel are less confident now, are more on the back foot because of what everyone can see and understand. At the same time they also start to realize that embracing far-right/populist movements, or using their support, which they did initially, is harming them. There are far-right (maybe even fascist) pro-Israel individuals embracing far-right white supremacists, but I don't see that as having a long shelf life.
a f/up: please do it soon. missing here is theobvious, why is there no call for ano-fly-zone by the chief littoral combatants, why is there no outrage of an absent relief flotilla areaC/coastalgaza, why is Sisi complicity not an item for discussion, why is the complicity of the oic-arb regimes not focused. these sideliners frustrated the yemen famine, the afghan famines, mosul, aleppo
All of you have appeared to completely dismissed the opposition of Norway, Spain and Ireland, at both the institutional and social levels, to the genocide and ethnic cleansing. Unfortunately Tariq has displayed his British influences in presenting the EU as a dysfunctional monolith. This is a very deceptive narrative that permeates across the Atlantic due to Britains cultural connections to the US, even in the most serious academic circles. The EU is by no means monolithic in social or cultural terms and even in foreign policy terms.
From Ireland I definitely think Starmer and Labour are going to be as bad if not worse . Extremely pro Union which doesn't suit us in Ireland who want a United Ireland. Re Israel Gaza etc I don't see Labour being good either. They use nicer words but the policies are much the same or worse.
It is unrealistic to expect you to be impartial about China. A civilisation that has existed in continuity for over 5000 years is obviously a threat to India. Just saying! 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Hamas' actions on October 7th were a direct result of escalated, severe zionist Settlers violence in the West Bank against Palestinians, that Israel had control of basic utilities to Gaza, its blockades of necessities to civilians cut off at whim. That Israel has imprisoned thousands of Palestinian children in the West Bank, subject to physical abuse - as documented by international sources. Hamas wanted their children released. And of course the continuing illegal, brutal Occupation of Palestine.
😂😂 be honest, you can't keep thinking about Jews If Palestinianists were in conflict with Jordanians you wouldn't even know about it let alone talk about it
24/7 I think about Palestine now.
Yup. 💯. It's taken over all my thoughts and I pray and follow politics and protest and it's exhausting, I can only imagine people in Palestine
I’m exhausted too. I am trying to continue my work… take care of myself, but I won’t take my eyes off this. Inshallah
Thanks to all 🙏🇵🇸 I’m totally 💔 but we won’t ever give up on Palestine, its peoples and its struggles #freepalestine #humanity
Yes. I think of Palestine all the time, it has up-ended my world view, all else is trivial. I am exhausted, but get energy from people like Makdisi Bros. And the brilliant Tariq Ali. Have to find ways to fight the forces of this genocidal empire
Yup! 😣😔
Right there with you. 💯 Very hard to enjoy life knowing the relentless horror happening to Palestinians
You're right...I can't think of anything but the Palestinians and our complicity that just goes on and on...
😢
Can't stop thinking about the "Palestinians", but Syrians,Yemenis, Kurds, Egyptians, African countries, are all less important.
Maybe your inability to think about anything else has to do with the Qatari/Palestinian brainwashing machine.
I concur:
Palestine on my mind, always!
I'm autistic and I finally realised that palestine has always been my main special interest I did my history degree about it and I remember that the last time I stopped eating and talking because of being depressed about the world ignoring palestine I ended up being put in the psychiatric system. It's very difficult to point out to people how much the dsmv is used to prevent revolutionaries from being listened to.
Have you heard Bryn Jones' project Muslimgauze? His hyper-prolific output (approx 90 releases on 30 labels in 15 years) was mainly focused on Palestinian resistance. He died 1998 at age 37 and remains largely unknown. His music is subtle and sonically restrained but politically charged.
@@Ftjxmmged I am as well and it has been my special interest since October.
They threw you in the looney bin to shut you up and prevent you from making change. They know what they're doing.
They like to shut austistic people up because the tendency towards (what they call) hyperfocus is useful in the hands of good people, for changing the system.
A pernicious tool of the Pharmaceutical Industry.
One of the best definitions of Germany today as Tariq Ali says it: "Zionism, Zionism uber alles"!. Great speaker! Thanks again
The title is what is on most of our minds and what fills our thoughts. I feel sad most days I can't imagine how Palestinians feel.
Exactly...hard to focus on anything else. When this pain ends for Palestinians, life will resume around many places across the globe.
Thank you, Makdisi Street, for having this beautiful being of humanity on.❤️
It's always a pleasure to hear Tariq Ali on the pressing issues of our times. The man is simply brilliant and a tremendous source of factual truth.
Makdisi Street - you are uplifting and enlightening. Thank you.
Wow. We're lucky to have such intellectuals. Thank you for this insightful interview. ❤
Tariq Ali is a gentleman and a scholar, in every sense. Thank you for sharing his wisdom...
Tariq Ali is an amazing political activist. Can't thank him enough for all he has done.
Great conversation! Tariq Ali is always marvel to hear from!
Great discussion 🙏 I’m so glad I’ve found this Chanel 👍 another ‘teller of truth’s’ I can trust for accurate information. 🙏🇵🇸💔😭💔😭 #humanity #freepalestine
Tremendous discussion with truly one of the greatest Dr Tariq Ali ! Thank you 🙏🇵🇸💗
You are right. We can't cope with what is happening in Gaza
Excellent testimony. Insightful context and analysis. Thank you so much. ❤
Palestine is in my heart, and my heart breaks witnessing their suffering. Thank you for your work and for this lovely interview.
G'day mates🇵🇸💪🏻❤️🔻
So true; Palestinian suffering is always on my mind 24hrs. I’m so angry with the governments who continue for this to happen to defenceless people
Superb sharing from Tariq Ali! I just discovered him through this channel today. He is a True Treasure!
I highly suggest you interview Tony Greenstein who wrote an fascinating book which i am currently reading on Zionism during the holocaust . The book documents the long right wing fascist support of Zionism especially in Nazi Germany. He should be heard by more people and i think you would have an amazing discussion.
The citizens of the empire are the ones that can put an end to this, but it requires a lot more ppl taking to the streets, calling on their congressmen and women to change their policies, boycott etc....
Sadly, our reps don't represent us.
Yes, I agree, Gaza is our Vietnam.
No it isbt. Vietnam was about american lives
And we (US) lost. Israel won’t win. They’ve already lost because Palestine will prevail.
@@Aan_allein I was there: it was mainly about ending war and colonization as well as getting rid of government corruption.
A sane expression amid an ocean of apathy, Palestine as my father lives crying in my heart, your channel, guest are so needed.
Thank you
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from Jerusalem AlQuds
In your dreams,
soon enough you're all out of here back to where you came from
Occupiers
commenting for the algo. Thank you for all you do!
When we blockaded the administration building of Princeton University protesting apartheid in South Africa in 1984, they did call in the city police to arrest us. (and city police carry guns)
Exactly! I do believe we are in billions. March on for Palestine Liberation
Another excellent episode, thank you one and all.
Haven’t watched yet but just from the title I wanted to share
I had my final project to graduate college in October. I ended up having using all of my drops to drop the class three times because I couldn’t follow through without falling off or getting behind. (1 class per month type thing) then I had to temporarily withdrawal because I just couldn’t make it happen. Now in that last class again, going to finish this time.
But just wanted to share as one testimonial to the fact that what’s happening there has weighed so exceptionally heavy on so many of us. Don’t ever forget what they’ve done. Don’t ever forget what you’ve seen, what you’ve read. Don’t ever forget who made it possible. Don’t ever let them get away with it
YES!!!
Grateful for this splendid episode with renowned scholar and intellectual Tariq Ali.
Chapeau bas Makdisi street… onward and upward.
Thank you, Makdisi Street
Thanks for sharing this insightful and uplifting conversation.
Quickly becoming my favorite podcast.
This title alone: either we are only thinking of Palestine or can't deal anymore with our helplessness, the inability to process the slaughter and hypocrisy and try not think about it. It's a consuming rage and helplessness, a pathetic condition where we "watch" our screens like we "watch" Netflix.
I absolutely feel compelled to say this is exactly how I see this genocide.
Thank You Makdisi Bros. 💚💐🦋
Mr Ali has long been one of my favorite people.
Very informative interview. Labours a broad church applies to Australia completely! 🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸❤️
Wonderful interview and a great post-interview discussion from the three of you. I noticed one of you was in London (my city). Is there any way you could all visit for a live Q&A somewhere here. I'm sure you'd have a good audience. Between you there must surely be a way to connect with one of the Universities or cultural venues here. LSE, Somerset House, Mosaic Rooms, RSA, Barbican, UCL ...?
wonderful interview with a wonderful man.
I studied Bertrand Russell through his work in logic. Incredible that he was so based on Palestine too.
“I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.”
W. H. Auden
Wonderful.
As a second generation Palestinian whose parents were forced out from their land in 1948, thinking about Palestine consumes all our lives and that of our children the third generation, until when I wonder… (formerly from Sidani street)
Loved this conversation. I really appreciated Mr. Ali's historical view.
Can you tell me how to get? How to get to Makdisi Streeeeeet... Great job guys!
Palestinian armerican living in a highly liberal, pro Israel area. have never felt more isolated in my perspective on the world. feels like everyone is complacent or in favor of the genocide in Palestine. glad to find videos like this
Pessimism of the intellect, Optimism of the Will
"I’m a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will."
Antonio Gramsci in a Letter from Prison (December 1929)
Antonio Gramsci
"You must realize that I am far from feeling beaten…it seems to me that… a man out to be deeply convinced that the source of his own moral force is in himself - his very energy and will, the iron coherence of ends and means - that he never falls into those vulgar, banal moods, pessimism and optimism. My own state of mind synthesises these two feelings and transcends them: my mind is pessimistic, but my will is optimistic. Whatever the situation, I imagine the worst that could happen in order to summon up all my reserves and will power to overcome every obstacle."
Great discussion, Tariq Ali is really excellent ❤
Oui c'est un sujet très préoccupant qui perdure depuis décennies. La colonisation anglaise a créé ce gros problème et cela est resté sans solution.
Les américains ont maintenu ce problème pour trois raisons principalement: 1) avoir un contrôle sur la région (canal Suez et avoir un oeil sur le Moyen-Orient); 2) la devise américaine est fondée sur le pétrodollar, la réserve principale se trouve au Moyen-Orient; 3) la vente des armes et favoriser les industries militaires américaines et européennes.
La seconde guerre mondiale, beaucoup de juifs de l'Europe de l'est, de la Russie et de l'Allemagne cherchaient une place pour migrer. Ainsi Israël a été construit sur les colonies anglaises (la région connue comme la Palestine). Toutefois, ce territoire était déjà occupé par par les arabes de confession musulmane, chrétienne et juive. Ils vivaient paisiblement. La migration des juifs sionistes (majoritairement athées) est plus intéressée par le territoire méditerranée mais aussi par le tourisme religieux: Jérusalem est trois fois sainte pour les religions abrahamiques (judaïsme, christianisme et islam).
Tx for the great content and guests
It is really astounding how you guys can do this entire conversation without once mentioning - even in passing - the Palestinian resistance and its allies, how Ali can talk about 'military' dominance' of the US when they can't even stop the Houthis from bankrupting Israel, dismisses out of hand the immense changes going on in the global south, with the military alliance of Russia, China, Iran and DPRK, and so many other things that simply don't exist in his and your reality. Apparently the only defence Palestine has is US students... No wonder you get depressed amid all this defeatism and dismissal of any actual armed resistance. I have immense respect for Tariq Ali, but on some issues he is and always has been very very wrongheaded.
Thanks
Yes, the people of Palestine are always on our minds. Tariq Ali is a Legend!
Thanks Osama , i have watched that podcast with Jad Ghosn in that time i knew you so today first time i have seen this podcast
Sentenced to death for stealing a doner! What a scaring sociery!
...stealing a dollar.
@@lanialost1320 Ups. First I understood 'donut' ☺, then doner. 'Dollar' makes much more sense, but of course it's nevertheless shameful to sentence someone to death for stealing such a ridiculously small amount. Thank you for the correction. ❤
Starmeris allegedly a human rights lawyer and ahould therefore know that human rights are indivisible! Moreover as a human rights lawyer who happens to be the new prime minister, Starmer is cognisant of Britain erga omnes obligations relative to the international legal norms it signed and ratified especially in regards to recent icj pronouncements
Thanks for this very interesting and inspiring discussion.
Concerning the discussion between about 45:00 and 56:00, I do think the narrative is changing against 'liberal zionism', at least is some countries in Europe. You can see it how media that were/are staunch defenders of Israel are less confident now, are more on the back foot because of what everyone can see and understand. At the same time they also start to realize that embracing far-right/populist movements, or using their support, which they did initially, is harming them. There are far-right (maybe even fascist) pro-Israel individuals embracing far-right white supremacists, but I don't see that as having a long shelf life.
it really is! 💔💔
Palestine ❤
a f/up: please do it soon. missing here is theobvious, why is there no call for ano-fly-zone by the chief littoral combatants, why is there no outrage of an absent relief flotilla areaC/coastalgaza, why is Sisi complicity not an item for discussion, why is the complicity of the oic-arb regimes not focused. these sideliners frustrated the yemen famine, the afghan famines, mosul, aleppo
You’re ignoring the role of the Israel lobby in the political parties and the congress and deputees!
All of you have appeared to completely dismissed the opposition of Norway, Spain and Ireland, at both the institutional and social levels, to the genocide and ethnic cleansing. Unfortunately Tariq has displayed his British influences in presenting the EU as a dysfunctional monolith. This is a very deceptive narrative that permeates across the Atlantic due to Britains cultural connections to the US, even in the most serious academic circles. The EU is by no means monolithic in social or cultural terms and even in foreign policy terms.
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From Ireland
I definitely think Starmer and Labour are going to be as bad if not worse . Extremely pro Union which doesn't suit us in Ireland who want a United Ireland.
Re Israel Gaza etc I don't see Labour being good either. They use nicer words but the policies are much the same or worse.
It is unrealistic to expect you to be impartial about China. A civilisation that has existed in continuity for over 5000 years is obviously a threat to India. Just saying! 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Oh oh ussama
Cheers from Israel the Holy Land
Bye Australia and Canada
Look after the Arab refugees
I’m one
Tariq couldn't be depressing if he tried. His POV is so expansive, whatever troubles us immediately dwindles.
Best book was the Obama Syndrome
No mention of Hamas's role in Palestine and its impact on "current events"? hmmmm...... how do we spell "disingenuous" in Arabic?
هاسبارا
@@robcraigmyle3892 غير صادق is the correct translation. About both you and him!
Hamas' actions on October 7th were a direct result of escalated, severe zionist Settlers violence in the West Bank against Palestinians, that Israel had control of basic utilities to Gaza, its blockades of necessities to civilians cut off at whim. That Israel has imprisoned thousands of Palestinian children in the West Bank, subject to physical abuse - as documented by international sources. Hamas wanted their children released. And of course the continuing illegal, brutal Occupation of Palestine.
غير صادق
Israel oppresses and occupies Palestine since way back and it's now committing genocide.
😂😂 be honest, you can't keep thinking about Jews
If Palestinianists were in conflict with Jordanians you wouldn't even know about it let alone talk about it