The Bolshevik’s seized power in a coup d’etat. Not a popular revolution. The only genuine revolution occurred in February, 1917. The Bolsheviks ruled by terror right from the start. They were opposed by all the other socialist parties. They were condemned by all the Marxists for their reign of terror. They crushed the independent trade unions and slaughtered the sailors of Kronstadt who had helped them seize power.
This guy is just a regular, lazy commie. The state is nothing but the corporation in the limit. Therefore, if the public good is the objective, we prefer a small state, and a large private sector. At least the private sector has always some competition and you can vote as many times as you like. The govt "allows" you a maximum of 1 time every 4 years.
That's probably because there was about 5 minutes of coherence in all of his mumbo jumbo. Leftists always take the longest time to summarize a simple idea leading to a weak or wrong argument.
+Le Polygone I was talking about how i felt one hour talk and this was subjective and personal. This was something you shouldn't care, as long as it doesn't concern you or the points he talked about. Why did you feel bad about it? I didn't mention any logical or argument related his points. Let's talk about what you think as a solution to the problems facing the world and humanity now and let's hear it, if you got guts and mind!! I'm tired of dismissive, self-rightous, euro-centric, racist, right-wingers, who care only the whites and white culture and never care others after 3 or 5 centuries of colonization and hegemony in different levels with the use of voilence, force and the worst means. If there are incoherent points you heard in this talk, then come with it and let's discuss about it or do you only care to hate leftists?
Quite a word soup there! First off, stop embarrassing yourself. You assume a whole lot here. I won't play the left's race baiting game and btw, you should know that there's no such thing as a "white culture" just like there's no "black culture". That's pretty racist in itself; as if Jamaicans, Afro-Americans and Somalis share the same culture... it's pretty insulting and uneducated. To summarize; yes, I do hate the marxist left for being so incompatible with logic and liberty. This unkept demagogue is lecturing people on the inequity of big government while not really understanding that nanny states are mostly born from marxism. Try defending any points he just made; it'll only end up in feeling pandering, victimization and demagoguery.
Keep your hate, if the two emotions you have and good at are hate of the other and love of your gangs. There is another world, which is debate, discussion and respecting each other and a range of different emotions. Stop to dismiss the fact, that you care europe, whites and their different cultures. Then blaming the left on all the mistakes the right-wingers are known for like demagoguery, victimization and hate of the others. I call this a foolishness and double-standard. To do something practically on daily basis and blame others for it. All leftists aren't Marxists. There are alot of other types of leftist lines, so be precise with your terms. You called the "white culture" as uneducated, though it's a word i meant as a general idea of whites all, wherever they live in east or west and it's not that nuanced or specific, but you did here worse, because you call all leftists as Marxists.
Wow, you just keep on sinking. Your hairy buddy IS a marxist, i'm talking about him, remember!? Stop hitting the bong if you can't follow simple sentences. Again with the "white culture", a "general idea of whites"... I don't think you're thinking this thru. So in your view (i'll repeat myself), Jamaicans, Somalis and Afro-Americans are from the same culture, right? Just like Swedes, South Africans and French Canadians...hmm, yeah. I know you're not out to harm anyone, i'm not either. I know it would be hard for you to conceive that you're actually part of the problem when you make everything about race. Bullshit propaganda like; systemic racism, internalized racism, the patriarchy, rape culture in the western world,... are all dividing schemes adding to further the gap between reasonable, logical people and the mindless idiots fighting against the realities of this world. I'm all for debates but logic, facts and statistics will ALWAYS have the better hand over close-minded, lazy intellectuals.
This guy is just a regular, lazy commie. The state is nothing but the corporation in the limit. Therefore, if the public good is the objective, we prefer a small state, and a large private sector. At least the private sector has always some competition and you can vote as many times as you like. The govt "allows" you a maximum of 1 time every 4 years.
fantastic talk and Q&A! Tariq Ali is simply brilliant! if only more people read him, his publications and his Telesur program, then dear lordy you'd see quite a different electoral behaviours hehe! :)
you are right about China, and India should realize the role of the state in china, and India will, because ultimately India is not an Abrahamic country. Theocracy holds it back. Humanity was destroyed before capitalism in feudalism., china succeeded because it had no traces of Abrahamic baggage from which Tariq Ali cannot escape. Why did the Soviet Union fail/ Is it because it was Christian and relied on Lenin and Stalin rather then empirical conditions.
I listened carefully to the entire program and understood perhaps 1%. I think Tariq is very proud of having a "big brain". And he wishes to let you know he has a "big brain". Therefore, with you'alls permission from now on I will simply go out and throw a tennis ball against the side of the house and play catch with myself.
I wonder why he highlights 1642, 1789, and 1917 as the most important European revolutionary moments, but leaves out 1848 - which saw a continent-wide revolutionary movement, and led to internationalism and modern labour movements...
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Usually when the GDP growth too fast some section of the society would be left behind, creating economic development NOT Inclusive. The gap between rich & poor or Social Inequity measured by Gini Index. The China Gini index in 2019 was & still is average at 38.6 compared with the much worse of US 41.5. More social equitable society is the Scandinavian countries with Norway is at 27.5 & Sweden 29.2 while the UK is at 33.2. Yes, China social inequity or Gini index is worse than Scandinavians & even the UK. However China society is far more equitable than the US, Philippine, Malaysia. The importance is the CPC is addressing this social inequity issue. Given its record, I believe that China would ameliorated this issue soon.
I agree. Though I would not hold Communism in such a high regard. There was a time the worlds strongest Communist country, the origin of its ethos, invaded my country by slaughtering 10% of my ancestor civilians, and Kremlin sold additional 6% to slavery. By the way this was in the times of early Communism, even before Lenin and Stalin. Tariq Ali is an eloquent speaker and in many ways correct. Communism is not a high aspiration however. It has its points, but if you are familiar with the philosophy like my nation is, you will know why it became the state Soviet Union was. Among the reason is that if you give the controls of the society to a despot, then not only have you done exactly what Capitalism does, but you don't even have 1% who own everything, you have 1 singular person who does. Just look at Putin now, estimated to be one of the richest persons in the world by stealing from his own countries taxes. He is a great admirer of the Soviet Union and wants to bring it back. It shouldn't be a mystery why he likes it.
What is your country and what is the event to which you are referring? Also, by the way, there is no pre-Lenin, "early Communism." The revolution was in October/November 1917, led by Lenin and Trotsky. Are you perhaps talking about actions prior to that, by the Tsar of Russia? The tsar wasn't a communist, nor does Putin want to "bring back" communism.
Impact and Benefits The Russian Revolution had a huge impact but few benefits. Tariq says Colonialism would've hung around for half a century more. Would that have been bad ? To establish schools education and health care, allow institutions to develop ? Compare Nelson Mandela and Jacob Zuma, one Western educated the other 100% ignorant, violent, corrupt and despotic. Tariq says of Pakistan "It needed 60yrs [of decent governance] to develop democracy" He is making my argument for me.
Oh Tariq, Tariq: such a lot of good stuff here, but you need to learn MMT. The government has no need to own profitable businesses in order to fund the NHS or anything else. It is never constrained by revenue. The only constraints are real resources (be they people or things. Of course public services need to be efficient (mainly so that real resources are not wasted), but they never need to be "profitable" in financial terms. Also: taxation performs some useful & essential functions, but raising funding for public services doesn't happen to be one of them. Counter-intuitive though it may be, this is the main lesson we can learn from MMT theorists, such as Professor Bill Mitchell, of Newcastle University, Australia, or L Randall Wray, and others.
Edward kirkhope "I am not religious, but I hate the attacks on religion that ignore all other factors. [...] the minute a tragedy takes place, the same imbeciles are all over the web, blaming a single religion". You're proving his point while attempting to smear him. Ignorance or dishonesty?
Being a Marxist rebel does not make one an expert on theology and religion. Islam, like all other fundamentalisms appeals to 'imbeciles': to people who need to be told what to believe by others, unquestioningly. The level of erudition and literacy in Islamic Countries is not high: because the quasi-religion, itself, discourages deep thought. Its Mullahs and Imams do not like to be questioned: and, in any case, the all-too-frequent sanction of death, would discourage all but the strongest heart!
Mark Dyer, being born in the Pakistani Punjab and educated in the fundamentals of Islam may not make Tariq an expert on theology and religion, but as far as Islam is concerned I'd be more incline to take his word than yours, particularly as he was educated in Islam in order to argue against it. You are straw-manning him as an apologist for Islam, which he obviously isn't. He's just irritated by the western tendency, which you show in spades, to demonize Islam, which is just as daft as idolizing it. I'd like you to take some time out from your glib dismissal of Islamic academic achievement and reflect on the fact that between the 9th and 13th centuries there was an immense flowering in astronomy, mathematics, physiology, zoology, medicine etc etc while Europeans weren't able to say that the earth was spherical and the church had a monopoly on learning.. There obviously isn't anything in Islam per se which prevents intellectual enquiry. I think you have to look to political, social, economical and historical factors for that. BTW which religions do you define as quasi-religions and why?
Mark Dyer the Muslim scientists did not just save Greco Roman knowledge but enhanced it and added to it and created new ones such as one that you use today such as algebra and chemistry which did not exist before them. Don't discount that.
Because you don't actually know what Islam is, neither do I. You make value judgements of a whole religion and culture of over a billion people from multiple continents and languages as a single political entity, when the reality is much more fluid. How can you have any sort of constructive debate if you reduce every Ill within the Islamic world to an issue with their religion and theology? It's like saying all Christians are homogenous and have the same beliefs and abilities. Just because you don't understand Islam, that doesn't make them less complex people than us with complex lives and goals... Moreover to conflate Salafi Jihadism with Islam is just complete naivety.
I'm not in fact and in doing so you actually disregard the many many many theological disputes between Salafi groups. One look at the complex exegesis and debates within Christianity would illuminate this fact. Not all muslims follow the Quran word for word just as no christian does, and there are multiple conflicting chapters regarding strenuous exegesis and debate, or the applicability of certain hadiths, ie. Sword verses have been disregarded by established institutions and imams. The 'perfect' interpretation, clearly is open to interpretation. No one see's protestantism as the perfect and final form of christianity so why are you so quick to judge the WHOLE OF ISLAM based on a literalist reading of the text? Religion is more than just the holy book, it's not hard to grasp, also doing so ignores how this form of terrorism is unique to this current epoch in history, so to make some essentialist claim on the Quran is obscurantist.
Always a pleasure to listen to Tariq Ali. Such an erudite man.
Bad English
Bring back vietnam memories. He was very active in those days
Let's be sincere, you're a s.t.u.p.i.d. person's idea of what a s.m.a.r.t. person is.
That called Osama Bin Laden an anti colonial fighter when he wanted to build an empire.
It's impossible to get tired of listening to Tariq.
The Bolshevik’s seized power in a coup d’etat. Not a popular revolution. The only genuine revolution occurred in February, 1917. The Bolsheviks ruled by terror right from the start. They were opposed by all the other socialist parties. They were condemned by all the Marxists for their reign of terror. They crushed the independent trade unions and slaughtered the sailors of Kronstadt who had helped them seize power.
This guy is just a regular, lazy commie. The state is nothing but the corporation in the limit. Therefore, if the public good is the objective, we prefer a small state, and a large private sector. At least the private sector has always some competition and you can vote as many times as you like. The govt "allows" you a maximum of 1 time every 4 years.
The whole lecture was felt as i watched a 5 minute clip!! What an amazing guy!
That's probably because there was about 5 minutes of coherence in all of his mumbo jumbo. Leftists always take the longest time to summarize a simple idea leading to a weak or wrong argument.
+Le Polygone I was talking about how i felt one hour talk and this was subjective and personal. This was something you shouldn't care, as long as it doesn't concern you or the points he talked about. Why did you feel bad about it? I didn't mention any logical or argument related his points. Let's talk about what you think as a solution to the problems facing the world and humanity now and let's hear it, if you got guts and mind!! I'm tired of dismissive, self-rightous, euro-centric, racist, right-wingers, who care only the whites and white culture and never care others after 3 or 5 centuries of colonization and hegemony in different levels with the use of voilence, force and the worst means. If there are incoherent points you heard in this talk, then come with it and let's discuss about it or do you only care to hate leftists?
Quite a word soup there! First off, stop embarrassing yourself. You assume a whole lot here. I won't play the left's race baiting game and btw, you should know that there's no such thing as a "white culture" just like there's no "black culture". That's pretty racist in itself; as if Jamaicans, Afro-Americans and Somalis share the same culture... it's pretty insulting and uneducated. To summarize; yes, I do hate the marxist left for being so incompatible with logic and liberty. This unkept demagogue is lecturing people on the inequity of big government while not really understanding that nanny states are mostly born from marxism. Try defending any points he just made; it'll only end up in feeling pandering, victimization and demagoguery.
Keep your hate, if the two emotions you have and good at are hate of the other and love of your gangs. There is another world, which is debate, discussion and respecting each other and a range of different emotions. Stop to dismiss the fact, that you care europe, whites and their different cultures. Then blaming the left on all the mistakes the right-wingers are known for like demagoguery, victimization and hate of the others. I call this a foolishness and double-standard. To do something practically on daily basis and blame others for it. All leftists aren't Marxists. There are alot of other types of leftist lines, so be precise with your terms. You called the "white culture" as uneducated, though it's a word i meant as a general idea of whites all, wherever they live in east or west and it's not that nuanced or specific, but you did here worse, because you call all leftists as Marxists.
Wow, you just keep on sinking. Your hairy buddy IS a marxist, i'm talking about him, remember!? Stop hitting the bong if you can't follow simple sentences. Again with the "white culture", a "general idea of whites"... I don't think you're thinking this thru. So in your view (i'll repeat myself), Jamaicans, Somalis and Afro-Americans are from the same culture, right? Just like Swedes, South Africans and French Canadians...hmm, yeah. I know you're not out to harm anyone, i'm not either. I know it would be hard for you to conceive that you're actually part of the problem when you make everything about race. Bullshit propaganda like; systemic racism, internalized racism, the patriarchy, rape culture in the western world,... are all dividing schemes adding to further the gap between reasonable, logical people and the mindless idiots fighting against the realities of this world. I'm all for debates but logic, facts and statistics will ALWAYS have the better hand over close-minded, lazy intellectuals.
I'll just ignore the dislikes and enjoy the lecture and Tariq's moral integrity :)
One of the best speeches hopefully will get to the youth. Very intelligent man.
Brilliant person . Learnt a lot from tariq
Very insightful!. Every future decent leader should attend Tariq's speech.
Sir Tariq is a listening delight.
What he said then still relevant today!!
always nice to hear such edifying address.
A good speech! Thoughtful, erudite and, best of all, optimistic.
Tariq Ali is an amazing intellectual who is completely ignored by the Western mainstream media.
It is very soothing & educating to hear Tariq saheb of human truths for survival of races & humanity,Advocate Bankim Kulshrestha delhi India
Thank you for your educational speech. We fully appreciate your political knowledge.
Long lives Tarik Ali.
Great lecture! Insightful and well delivered.
always enjoy his lectures wonderful
This guy is just a regular, lazy commie. The state is nothing but the corporation in the limit. Therefore, if the public good is the objective, we prefer a small state, and a large private sector. At least the private sector has always some competition and you can vote as many times as you like. The govt "allows" you a maximum of 1 time every 4 years.
Beautifully said
He is a super knowledge man. Beautiful
fantastic talk and Q&A! Tariq Ali is simply brilliant! if only more people read him, his publications and his Telesur program, then dear lordy you'd see quite a different electoral behaviours hehe! :)
You can fulfil a man's NEED but not his Greed.
OMG! I am enlightened today.
Well done Comrade!
Well said Sir
Great talk! Wish he could elaborate a little more on the phenomenon of 'Stalinism' as a one of the consequences of Bolshevik movement
An edifying address from an erudite man. He is not a Jihadi fan. But cleverly scan the facts so we can understand.
Much more interesting than all those boring Blairite hacks the British media loves
20:17 who is we?
Nic lecture......
How ironic Russia is making the headlines today.
Thank you for sharing this information Sir.
What about the Mexican Revolution. It was prior to the Rusian revolution and it had socialist principles regarding the agrarian policy.
Plz. Mr.Tariq, the question is about Tibet.
Not one question on Brexit
you are right about China, and India should realize the role of the state in china, and India will, because ultimately India is not an Abrahamic country. Theocracy holds it back. Humanity was destroyed before capitalism in feudalism., china succeeded because it had no traces of Abrahamic baggage from which Tariq Ali cannot escape. Why did the Soviet Union fail/ Is it because it was Christian and relied on Lenin and Stalin rather then empirical conditions.
Tariq Ali is most popular in Kash.mir as Kashmir problem is British crdated
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I listened carefully to the entire program and understood perhaps 1%. I think Tariq is very proud of having a "big brain". And he wishes to let you know he has a "big brain". Therefore, with you'alls permission from now on I will simply go out and throw a tennis ball against the side of the house and play catch with myself.
It will be more interesting if there will be Murray here.
I wonder why he highlights 1642, 1789, and 1917 as the most important European revolutionary moments, but leaves out 1848 - which saw a continent-wide revolutionary movement, and led to internationalism and modern labour movements...
those three were successfull
One has to think what's to dislike??? The TRUTH MAYBE
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Who is Teressa May?
there is a sense of needing to once again go over and review the immediate past decades to counter the Western media induced amnesia
The level of absolute thick headed childishness which dominates Western society's political discourse is hilarious
sometimes too much intellectual can override, and bring along, depression and anxiety.☝️
From Privatization to Pirat-ization of the Public Domain.
I honestly love your posts and always enjoy reading them in my lonely spare time. I'm so sorry I invaded your privacy, but I'd love to be friends with someone who could share such sensitive post content, which means you're a woman of integrity. I wanted to add you but sending you a friend request without your consent is inappropriate because I'm a public figure and it wouldn't take much either, I'd appreciate it if you send me a friend request now so we can be friends and text better here on RUclips
41:00 Railways and Schools
Usually when the GDP growth too fast some section of the society would be left behind, creating economic development NOT Inclusive. The gap between rich & poor or Social Inequity measured by Gini Index. The China Gini index in 2019 was & still is average at 38.6 compared with the much worse of US 41.5. More social equitable society is the Scandinavian countries with Norway is at 27.5 & Sweden 29.2 while the UK is at 33.2.
Yes, China social inequity or Gini index is worse than Scandinavians & even the UK. However China society is far more equitable than the US, Philippine, Malaysia. The importance is the CPC is addressing this social inequity issue. Given its record, I believe that China would ameliorated this issue soon.
I agree. Though I would not hold Communism in such a high regard. There was a time the worlds strongest Communist country, the origin of its ethos, invaded my country by slaughtering 10% of my ancestor civilians, and Kremlin sold additional 6% to slavery. By the way this was in the times of early Communism, even before Lenin and Stalin.
Tariq Ali is an eloquent speaker and in many ways correct. Communism is not a high aspiration however. It has its points, but if you are familiar with the philosophy like my nation is, you will know why it became the state Soviet Union was.
Among the reason is that if you give the controls of the society to a despot, then not only have you done exactly what Capitalism does, but you don't even have 1% who own everything, you have 1 singular person who does. Just look at Putin now, estimated to be one of the richest persons in the world by stealing from his own countries taxes. He is a great admirer of the Soviet Union and wants to bring it back. It shouldn't be a mystery why he likes it.
What is your country and what is the event to which you are referring? Also, by the way, there is no pre-Lenin, "early Communism." The revolution was in October/November 1917, led by Lenin and Trotsky. Are you perhaps talking about actions prior to that, by the Tsar of Russia? The tsar wasn't a communist, nor does Putin want to "bring back" communism.
Remember Lenin came back into fashion before he got into power.
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Without mentioning the name of Allah, listening to the speech of speaker is like having meal unmixed with salt.
Impact and Benefits
The Russian Revolution had a huge impact but few benefits.
Tariq says Colonialism would've hung around for half a century more.
Would that have been bad ?
To establish schools education and health care, allow institutions to develop ?
Compare Nelson Mandela and Jacob Zuma, one Western educated the other 100% ignorant,
violent, corrupt and despotic.
Tariq says of Pakistan "It needed 60yrs [of decent governance] to develop democracy"
He is making my argument for me.
Is the gay left and the end of this talk Terry Eagleton ?
Oh Tariq, Tariq: such a lot of good stuff here, but you need to learn MMT. The government has no need to own profitable businesses in order to fund the NHS or anything else. It is never constrained by revenue. The only constraints are real resources (be they people or things. Of course public services need to be efficient (mainly so that real resources are not wasted), but they never need to be "profitable" in financial terms. Also: taxation performs some useful & essential functions, but raising funding for public services doesn't happen to be one of them. Counter-intuitive though it may be, this is the main lesson we can learn from MMT theorists, such as Professor Bill Mitchell, of Newcastle University, Australia, or L Randall Wray, and others.
HE MUST GET HIS EARS SHAVED
I hope Trump doesn't get elected President again.
Lalkar... END
Street Fighting Man..
I'm surprise the room fit his ego. Self appointed intellectuals are the biggest bores. Pompous and removed.
TARIQ, LYING BIG TIME ABOUT THE FINAL SOLUTION!
An erudite Islam apologist.
Edward kirkhope "I am not religious, but I hate the attacks on religion that ignore all other factors. [...] the minute a tragedy takes place, the same imbeciles are all over the web, blaming a single religion".
You're proving his point while attempting to smear him. Ignorance or dishonesty?
He's an Atheist
@@samuelvendemiaire6367 the 1st and 2nd world wars were fought between Christians.
Being a Marxist rebel does not make one an expert on theology and religion. Islam, like all other fundamentalisms appeals to 'imbeciles': to people who need to be told what to believe by others, unquestioningly. The level of erudition and literacy in Islamic Countries is not high: because the quasi-religion, itself, discourages deep thought. Its Mullahs and Imams do not like to be questioned: and, in any case, the all-too-frequent sanction of death, would discourage all but the strongest heart!
Mark Dyer, being born in the Pakistani Punjab and educated in the fundamentals of Islam may not make Tariq an expert on theology and religion, but as far as Islam is concerned I'd be more incline to take his word than yours, particularly as he was educated in Islam in order to argue against it. You are straw-manning him as an apologist for Islam, which he obviously isn't. He's just irritated by the western tendency, which you show in spades, to demonize Islam, which is just as daft as idolizing it. I'd like you to take some time out from your glib dismissal of Islamic academic achievement and reflect on the fact that between the 9th and 13th centuries there was an immense flowering in astronomy, mathematics, physiology, zoology, medicine etc etc while Europeans weren't able to say that the earth was spherical and the church had a monopoly on learning.. There obviously isn't anything in Islam per se which prevents intellectual enquiry. I think you have to look to political, social, economical and historical factors for that. BTW which religions do you define as quasi-religions and why?
Mark Dyer the Muslim scientists did not just save Greco Roman knowledge but enhanced it and added to it and created new ones such as one that you use today such as algebra and chemistry which did not exist before them. Don't discount that.
You should perhaps read Orientalism by Edward Said. You may revise your position on 'Islam' in such as case.
Because you don't actually know what Islam is, neither do I. You make value judgements of a whole religion and culture of over a billion people from multiple continents and languages as a single political entity, when the reality is much more fluid. How can you have any sort of constructive debate if you reduce every Ill within the Islamic world to an issue with their religion and theology? It's like saying all Christians are homogenous and have the same beliefs and abilities. Just because you don't understand Islam, that doesn't make them less complex people than us with complex lives and goals... Moreover to conflate Salafi Jihadism with Islam is just complete naivety.
I'm not in fact and in doing so you actually disregard the many many many theological disputes between Salafi groups. One look at the complex exegesis and debates within Christianity would illuminate this fact. Not all muslims follow the Quran word for word just as no christian does, and there are multiple conflicting chapters regarding strenuous exegesis and debate, or the applicability of certain hadiths, ie. Sword verses have been disregarded by established institutions and imams. The 'perfect' interpretation, clearly is open to interpretation. No one see's protestantism as the perfect and final form of christianity so why are you so quick to judge the WHOLE OF ISLAM based on a literalist reading of the text? Religion is more than just the holy book, it's not hard to grasp, also doing so ignores how this form of terrorism is unique to this current epoch in history, so to make some essentialist claim on the Quran is obscurantist.
oops this guy has got too old
And so you will be too
@@XX-tq1oe if he's lucky.
Not one question on Brexit