Historical hats
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There were so many types of hat in the past, and yet it turns out that many of them were actually the same.
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And if you dye it red.... well nobody would expect that.
Darkavatar I see what you did there
Well nobody is allowed to expect the SPANISH INQUISITION
Cardinal Fang, bring out the comfy chair!!
Ha.
Damn it, you beat me to it!
Suddenly I feel the need to buy and wear a hat.
I can’t like this comment more then once.
I've like the comment in this comment because I couldn't like the original comment twice
Here: www.amazon.com/Lovful-Women-Cloche-Fedora-Floppy/dp/B019F7M39E?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_3
@Jimmy A reasonably tight grip and a flex of your triceps (if you're wearing said hat) or biceps (if you're not wearing said hat) should be enough.
Don't fall for the beguiling ways of Big Hab, @Khorney!
About 40 years ago I worked as a stockman on a cattle station on the Northern Territory and Western Australian border. We used hats like this, which were just like your original.
We would shape it to the desired form, (usually some form of cowboy style from the movies as we were all young wankers!).
To keep the shape we would soak them with a solution of sugar and water.
This was very effective, even when one of your workmates grabbed your hat and threw it under your horse.
Just pick it up and push out the extra dents and it was back to your original shape.
I noticed that the background for this video's thumbnail is a load of flames, which wouldn't makes sense, usually, but it makes a lot of sense if Lloyd thought that people wouldn't be interested in hats unless there were a bunch of flames in the thumbnail, because people who like axes also usually like fire.
To be honest the thumbnail wasn't showing when I clicked on this video. I sincerely found a video about historical hats to be interesting enough if it was Lloyd who talked about it.
@@agustinl2302 honestly Llyod could make a video about his rubbish and i'd still watch it.
I let you into a secret. he's got a thing about flame-throwers
why is this man not the Prime Minister
Because we live in a democracy.
Lindybeige You would have my vote for sure ^^
Lindybeige
And as Winston Churchill once said "democracy is the worst form of Government..."..."...except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…".
He's also not a career politician.
Ken Clark Unlike yourself
I find it funny and even ironic that most of what we consider to be feminine were actually worn by males historically as a sign of either status, tradition, or even regular purpose. Skirts was worn by Romans in order to represent civility, which contrasted the barbaric ways of pants. High heels were developed by many societies for either horseback riding or status by keeping out of the mud. Make up was also a status symbol. Purses were often used by males to hold small items such as money, again as status. Even now, the boots that reaches up to knee height that was used by many soldiers is now considered a feminine wear. This hat was many things back then and now it is simply labeled "Women's summer time cap". I just find these things very interesting.
Id call it more of the left brain focus in todays world
Don't for god sake mention this to any feminists
With the exception of jeans sold new with faded worn spots on the legs. Used to be for girls, now being sold to guys. Must have been intended as pay back for the trend you pointed out.
Another related thought. When male clothing transfers over to women, it is perfectly fine. But when a piece of clothing that is predominantly worn by women starts appearing on men too, we get all sorts of arguments. Like skinny jeans. Men used to(and sometimes still do) poke fun at other men who wear those. Don't you find it interesting?
***** I've never heard a man poke fun at women who wear skinny jeans.
New saturday morning cartoon:
Summer Hats! More than meets the eye!
AUTO-HATS! TRANSFORM! (pin and ribbon sounds)
+Daniel Hale Auto-hats wage their battle to out-decorate the forces of the decepti-hats.
Authenti-hats you mean
@@philipshestialtynov2378 decepti-caps
The permanently shape felt you need to use steam (Though a steamer works much better a steam-iron will do okay just more work. Similarly wool felt will give the best results)
#1: Remove internal structures (or keep those which's shapes you want to keep if any are present)
#2: Pin the hat to a hat-block/wig stands if you want to reshape the bulb of the hat itself, otherwise only pin the felt you want "folded" permanently to where it should be, Do NOT stretch the felt only fold it.
#3: Steam the felt plentifully so as to loosen the fibbers and make the felt malleable (be prepared it'll be hot, some water-proof gloves may be appreciated)
#4: re-pin the felt, it'll have gone slack as the felt became more loosely bound, if you want to sew or embroider something into it now would be the easier time.
#5: Once the shape is gotten let it cool and dry (will take some time)
#6: un-pin the felt and let it go "free" if you're unhappy with the result simply start over from where you're at now and with each attempt the shape will become closer and closer to what you're aiming for. Once satisfied no more pins will be needed and your hat will be set, until you decide to re-steam it if say rain and humidity deformed it over days of wearing it.
This method can be used also to flatten out that wavy pattern it has for the sake of looking like a summer hat, ironing it will do the trick, though there's probably more felt than needed so it's the proper side meaning you'll probably want to shape it afterwards or it'll have bumps here and there.
+Jeff Cyr also, i know a few hat-enthousiasts that use hairspray to stiffen the felt slightly. spraying a few very light coats onto the brim before steaming it. and steam should be easy to come by in an english household, just put on the kettle :>
Wouldn't starch work.
Not really. You would have to use so much it would affect the colour and texture of the hat. Steam works better. Pin into shape and steam or soak.
Done this and can confirm it works. I learned how to "mold" felt during my time in the military, as a way to get the beret to look right. A few years later I tried the same technique on a random felt hat to shape it into a tricorn for a pirate-party.
I used hot water, and plenty of it. That was followed by a short massage of the fibers and then setting it to shape (using pins, needles or whatever you imagine). Set the hat to dry, preferably somewhere rather warm, such as a drying cabinet or on top of a radiator, in order to "bake" the fibers into their new shape.
I would greatly suggest using some form of impregnation to assure the hat doesn't go floppy if it should rain, but aside from that it works like a charm.
there's a product called 'stiffen stuff' you can find online or in craft stores that is made for this purpose.
Damn I really love tricorn hats.
Same, bro. Even a swede can have good taste it seems lol greeting from norway
Vetle Vedal Thank you neighbor lol.
BlodOchStål I wear mine all the time. Absolutely love it. Goes well with my blue trench coat. 😇
Sir Athos Putnam Nice! I wear a green trench coat :)
Sir Athos Putnam You must look ridiculous Ahahaha
I miss hats. Jeans and a T-shirt is all well and good, but I want to see people-most people-walking around in hats again.
TheBreezyTrousers And I tip my trilby to you as well, good sir.
TheBreezyTrousers
*Tips*
Cernel Joson True, but even those aren't that common. People put too much work into their hair, I s'pose.
Cernel Joson Damn. I knew that I was the problem, somehow.
Albert Milbert ...I take it back. Bloody chavs ruin everything.
I can't believe I never realized that all those different hats were essentially the same thing, just folded differently.
Thanks for these insightful videos Lindy
Who knew that horses were horses in medieval times? The more you know
Wow, nice to see you here! I like your work Shinji :D
Don't complain if I start showing off medieval spears on my channel too. It's Lindy fault!
Weird running into you here, never ran into someone I sub to on another persons I sub to channel. Well, I think you should both fight now..
Shinji72 Bring it on :P
I found an eBay listing for these exact hats, and the black are out of stock.
Clearly, eBay's been Lindybeiged!
Thank you very much for this video, as I've been agonizing over a faire costume for some time.
You could say they've been eBeige'd...
But the important question is: do they still have beige?
standingunder You sly son of a fox...
standingunder I am starting a new award called a . . . Lindybeigy . . . Beigy . . . Beigebel . . . oh fork it, whatever. You, sir, just won the first one.
Now, where to find thousands of those little lego men for trophies . . .
boethius61 Aw, I won the first NoBeige Prize? I'm honored!
:P
I think it takes just a wee bit more effort to make a horse into a desired horse shape.
You just need more glue or a bigger steamer...
ptonpc
And a bigger thing that goes *Thunk*.
The "wee" part in your comment is what made it gold. I can hear it in my head. In accent. Time after time after time. SOS.
Well, I'll, from now on, call this hat the One hat:
One Hat to rule them all, One Hat to find them,
One Hat to bring them all and in the darkness bind them...
You can get it all with it...
How do I fold it to get Oddjobs totally authentic killing hat?
I got mine thrown in when I ordered a hollowed-out volcano.
Lindybeige Funny, I got a fluffy persian cat with mine.
I got a bar of Nazi gold thrown in. But I lost it to in a game of golf.
Apollo Olympos It wasn't that horrible guy, John? James? Either way he's quite a rotter. He keeps seducing all my female employees.
Aiar Uther
Your company may have a staffing problem in the near future considering the high percentage of the women that he sleeps with meet with violent deaths soon afterwards.
This is unbelievable. I never thought or realized that all these variations came from the same damn hat! Nice work doc
Just finished a term paper for Roman History. Lindybeige video to start spring break? Yes, please.
Spring break now. 3 years later
I wish I could give you a million likes because of that Adam Ant picture.
Aik diddley qua qua!
Lindybeige "Staaaaaand and delllllliver 'money your life!"
Literally freaked out when I saw Adam Ant. Best for last: the Dandy Highwayman Hat.
***** The end of the Adam Ant 'Stand and Deliver' play.
Diddly Qua Qua... *Heh.*
As far as I know, they used to shape the felt with a finger dipped in quick silver. When done, they licked the finger to clean off the quick silver, not realizing the quick silver would get inside their brains and stay there permanently. And, as they kept doing it over and over, they unfortunately became mad as a hatter.
Fun fact: The tricorne hat (at least in the last quarter of the 18th century) was often let down in one or more corners to provide cover from the elements, then pinned or cocked back up to fancify it.
Bonus fun fact: The word huzzah was pronounced with a long a (so it rhymed with hay, rather than hah). We can see this in period songs and poems where the rhyming scheme makes no sense unless the long a is pronounced.
John Johnson that explains where hurray came from. maybe someone drunkenly slurred his Zs into Rs and everyone liked it.
3:00 "¡Alto a la Guardia Civil!" Sorry I couldn't resist. Spanish Guardia Civil still uses Tricorns... but now they're made of plastic.
I have been on parade with Guardia Civil and to be quite frank, those plastic hats just makes them look ridiculous.
I assume someone mentioned this in the last two years but the mould for a hat is called a "block", and to shape a hat you use steam (holding it over a boiling kettle works nicely). Once it cools it will hold whatever shape you set it into. Shaping a hat is called "blocking".
Man, you totally sold that hat to me with this video. I WANT ONE NOW
It's amazing how cultural programming works. Me, as an American, the instant I see a Tricorn hat I immediately think of the Revolutionary War. :Let's go to the tavern, drink some ale, talk some treason and then grab our muskets and go fight the British with good old General Washington.
On a related note, I'd love a Lindybeige video about the evoltion of Taverns and Inns and how the taven as depicted in fantasy games or even in supposedly "authentic" re-enactment societies didn't actually exist until the 16th century. I tried to explain this to my DM one day and he thought I was mad. "What ever are you talking about?" He seemed to say. "Inns and Taverns have always existed."
Torque2100 I kinda always imagined it to be that someone started renting out spare rooms while their sons were off to war so they could make some extra coin on the side. after a while it just advanced to where they were also selling ales and whatnot because they could make a bit more money off of stocking some beer as well.
cultural programming lol. That is not an example of cultural programming. As for the second part. Stop being a pain in the ass and have fun
this blew my mind; my whole world has been turned inside out. I could have been using these hats all my life.
Thank you again, Lindybeige. I love your posts on historical clothing and it's functionality.
You're amazing. I always love the way you present these videos!
You can actually buy hat stiffening spray - any western wear shop will have it. You shape the hat as you want over steam (a kettle will do) and then spray it. I've only done this for small changes to hats, but I guess the principle is the same for larger hats, except that you might need the odd stitch here and there.
***** if hat stays stiff for more than 4 hours please contact a hat professional
10/10 would Glorious Revolution again.
PLEASE, stay til the end! Love Lloyd being goofy!
Thanks for the heads up
I could listen to you talk about hats all day.
What a awesome video !!! :))
Good episode. Can you do a follow-up episode on the kettle-helm? It looks a lot like the felt hat you bought but, of course, made of metal.
A friend of mine has a kettle helm, so...
Lindybeige can you shape the helm into a tricone and such too?
themonkeywarrior111 The kettle helm's evolution into its various forms and the eventual jump to the sallet then all the way to the WWI British trench helmets are certainly the helm taking various shapes.
Few know that the kettle helm originated from the women's summer helm.
I really hadn't considered that they were so similar... Thank you for this video.
This actually gave me an idea or two. Thank you, Lindy.
"In much the same way, all horses were actually just one horse." o.O
You forgot to fold one side up and make a Jäger hat
or make a centreline ridge, push in the sides of the top and fold up the left brim and you have crude Slouch hat
A video about hats through history... well you've got me as a subscriber now.
'In much the same way, all horse were actually just one horse."- That just earned you a subscription. Love the stuff.
So, were a lot of these hat shapes purely aesthetic? It seems quite a few of them wouldn't be particularly useful in, say, protecting your eyes from the sun or preventing sunburn on your face and neck. Some of them look especially bad if it were to start raining, with water pooling up in some of the folded sections.
Yes, the various folds seem to be for style and status rather than usefulness.
AkiraZXE Do you know Jughead's hat, from Archie comics? I've heard that it's a fedora that has had the brim cut up and steamed up around the crown of the hat. Tradesmen and mechanics and such would do this to give them a hat that would keep their hair and sweat out of their face but not be a hassle to them getting up close to machines and things.I wouldn't rule out that *some* of the folds began with *some* element of usefulness.
The fold actually makes the rain water be funneled to one place and it falls out there wool can take 3 times its own weight in rain water before you even feel it is wet.
Take the tricorder for instance it got 3 places where the water can fall out without you yourself getting the water on you the front one also blocks sunlight and the folds makes the hat smaler so even in tight places you can get around
havtor007 Perhaps you have typed 'tricorder' so many times when discussing Trek, that it becomes difficult to type 'tricorn'.
Fashion rarely concerns itself with practicality.
I wanted to make a tricorn months ago but never got round to it . Thanks to you a womens summer hat has been ordered. While I am at it , have you seen the latest ironclad ? If not , dont go in with high hopes . I would love to see some more film picking videos .
I love how the algorithm keeps blessing me with your content that seems like it’s new but it was uploaded 8 years ago. I love it. 😂❤
Nice work! Excellent video, very interesting
MIND BLOWN!!!
Is this an infomercial?
a very convincing one at that
Order the magic one-for-all-hat NOW!! Lines are open!!
This is the best video on hats I've ever seen!
thank you for the best authentic costume advice ever!
Lindy they make a stiffening agent that you spray on and then steam the hat to shape it. Once it cools and dries it will hold the "cocked" shape
The stiffening agent is typically shellac flakes dissolved in alcohol, then sprayed on with a bottle. Of course there are other additives to make it super extra effective and make it unique for each supplier, but the basic mix is pretty simple
One hat to rule them all...
The Crown
Hats off to you. You just blew my mind
Never a bad video. After awhile the pressure to only produce good content must weigh on you. Always wondering if the next video will be good enough before you release it. Kinda makes sense about that legend where artists always put one imperfection into their paintings to take the anxiety away.
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!!!
Hah, the Plato/Aristotle (one of them I think!) quote at the end!
+Nikolaj Bourguignon
What is the quote, I must have missed it.
At the end, the white letters on the brown background.
Nikolaj Bourguignon
Ah, well, I did not know that sentence had anything to do with Plato or Aristotle. How exactly is it related to either one?
Ah, is it related to Plato's theory of forms or something?
***** yep, at least I think so. It's with that world of ideas/forms thing.
When I clicked to watch this video, I didn't expect anything interesting, and more of a blurb about how felt hat protected against rain or some other stuff. But the video turned out much more interesting than I expected ^.^ It's cool how many hats can one make out of a simple felt hat.
Yes, we need more hats.
And more videos from Lindybeige about them :)
So Lindybeige, what is the origin of this hat? The earliest example I can think of is the metal version: Chapel-de-fer, very popular in medieval Scandinavia.
Ancient Cretans wore similar hats, but theirs weren't black. Theirs was more of a beige age.
Lindybeige
And the legacy of beige lives on to this very day
Lindybeige Just like these cretans? www.fantasytravelofgreece.com/sites/default/files/First-Timers/07-sunburns04-1600.jpg
Lindybeige
They probably didn't have a good black dye.
i heard dinosaurs had hats like that. And their hats had feathers.
Do not tell that to Michael Bay, I realy don't want to see "Transformers 25: Revenge of the fallen hats"
You're one of those people that I can't help but feel jealous of how superb they're with making the most basic thing, become the most interesting thing
Pretty awesome Notch giving you props on Twitter!
To anyone wanting to reshape these hats, all you really need is
Steam (warm water works in a pinch)
Some sort of rope/thing to hold it in shape
Weights
Wood or foam blocks in the shape that you want (foam is easier to cut into shape)
Steam or lightly wet it in hot water, place it over the wooden block, and place the weights on the brim to hold it in place and make sure it's pulled tight. Leave it for a while, and it should be shaped. You might also want to tie around the base of the crown so it further keeps its shape. You can also just tie/pin the brim into where you want it and it'll stay that shape more easily. This is a very dumbed down version of how to do it but it SHOULD work. Stovepipe Shakos were also shaped this way and sometimes coated in a natural resin or shellac so it better keeps its shape.
This video is 4:20 long! Also "Hat" has 3 letters, a triangle has 3 letters, ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED! Nice try Lindybeige!
Multum In Parvo tri corner hats are triangles (O_O)
Outstanding Lloyd! I never considered something so simple.
Regarding permanently fixing the hat into a desired shape, steam it and then spray it with starch and let it dry in that form (pinned, etc.). It will stay that way forever!
Basic kit for shaping: liquid starch, a steamer, a ham (roundish block of wood mimicking the shape of the skull, a styrafoam wig form can also work in a pinch but a real wooden ham is better), and some sturdy pins (t-pins recommended). Impregnate the hat blank with starch, steam into shape on the ham, pin securely on ham so crown doesn't shrink, reinforce shape with more pins, let dry at least overnight.
why are thee glasses on the wall?
I found them in the street and thought them amusingly pathetic.
Lindybeige after what years, of seeing them on the wall that was story behind the glasses?
"Good evening, sir, that is quite the historical hat you're wearing."
"Yes, It's a tried and true design."
Hats Off for Lindy!
ive just watched a huge amount of your videos! Bloody good work that man! :D
I think this is the archtype of the lindybeige video. show this to somebody and they get the whole channel in a nuthshell.
A man who talks as easily about hats as about velites is my kind of man. Everyone needs a lloyd. Learned an awfull lot about the world thanks to you. Thanks.
My daughter was having a tough time finding a “Captain Hook” hat for a costume she’s working on. I remembered this video and showed it to her, and it looks like she’s got a plan. Thanks for the tips!
@ 3:50 the what the fellow said about shaping the summer hat into a tricorne. Simple just fold the brim the way you want it, and take a needle and thread and tack it down.
I love hats of old and this video was fantastic for teaching me so many different kinds of styles and such. I kind of want to get one of those myself now and play with the different shapes to see what I'll end up with ;)
I enjoyed this video very much!
+lindybeige to get it stiff... you can soak the brim in standard clothing starch (possibly dyed to match, if the fabric shows the starch too easily), then let it dry in roughly 45-50°C temps whilst blocked in the desired shape. Then, vigorously rub the felt with another piece of felt to reraise the nap. The temp helps set the starch, the rubbing hides the starchy gloss.
This is the inspiration for all open world survival games of today... one template... lots of content and let the gamers build the experience from that with whatever they can get, mod in or use ingame.
Hat stiffness and reshaping for simple felts, is to wet it, preferably with a little vinegar or slight acid in the water, and then wear them in the sunshine in the warm days, and shape it for four hours until dry, and it will usually shrink to fit, if too loose, let dry in a hot car, checking it every thirty minutes, of course, in the cold months, you'd need a few hours near a hot fireplace or stove. Various waterproofing also helped to hold the shapes, but you don't apply all of them on the same hat, you can wax them, oil them, and tar them. The waxing of seamans jackets probably led to the waxing of hats. I waxed a hat and it was great in the winter, but actually did run out in the summer. The best waterproofing is to use a thicker felt with tight compaction. You are right about initial shaping by steaming them on forms and molds. Hats really don't need to be waterproof, as long as they keep rain out of your eyes and trap your body heat under the crown, they will keep you warmish up there. Your suggestion to get the floppy women's hat is great. Thanks!
Brilliant how you suddenly changed the style so many times, it's absolutely mad haha
Originally, felted hats were knitted oversize, then shrunk to make them felted. The switch to the felted hat we know today was because it was faster to produce, and gave a more standardized product. Folding the hat brim may seem silly, but it often had good reason (better visibility, shedding rain someplace other than down your collar..) Religious pilgrims would often wear the small medallions they got at shrines on a hat.
Lol, did you show a picture of Adam Ant right there at the end?? That's awesome!
4:17 that's how my heart was stolen
Good laugh, as always. Can't wait for the rebuttal where Matt Easton tells you that you're wrong!
I've got a hat like that, that was originally bought from Venice as a tricorn (because holidays and the sudden need for fancy hats) and the sides were attached with a couple of light stitches where they met the dome and it held shape perfectly.
"Johnny, what can You make of this?"
"Oh, I can make a hat, a brooch, a pterodactyl."
from the movie *"Airplane!"*
I have a grand total of tree hats for historical re-enactments. A top-hat, a narrow-brimmed felt hat and a wide brimmed picture hat. I have never needed anything but those, some feathers, pins and ribbons and my imagination.
Fun vid, lindy. Well done.
A month or so ago I did a little research of cowboy hats with photos from the wild west days and I was surprised to find that the 'cowboy' hat pretty much didn't exist back then. The hats all seemed to be bowlers, lemon squeezers, boss of the plains (sort of halfway between bowler and top hat) and restrained versions of the sombrero and the ten gallon. A few crowns must have been dented on the trail, but when it came time for a photo there must have been cries of "fix your hat Hank".
A quick Google search seems to suggest that you steam the hat to soften the felt, shape it into your desired style with pins or whatever and then leave it to "reset"
Fantastic video, had a good laugh :D
You did the beginning video in rhyme....you magnificent man lmao.
HOW TO STIFFEN A HAT.
I've made a few hats in my time, most recently I made several cavalier hats and a couple of tricorns for a historical festival.
I ALWAYS use a 50/50 diluted PVA glue with water and although it can make a hat slightly cloudy if you use too much, with a bit of trial and error you can get it perfect and you'll never mess up again. I don't know anyone who actually buys hat stiffener a it's often just expensive PVA
You can also use shellac (aka French polish), which works very well for hats that are likely to get very wet but it gets rather sticky before setting and it tends to give the hat a strange smell which never fully leaves it.
One thing to look out for, especially with felt, is that it can be difficult to raise the knap after stiffening with anything, but PVA is still the best and easiest stiffener I know of.
To make it waterproof after stiffening you can use an acrylic lacquer when the hat is TOTALLY DRY but again it can get rather sticky and can give the hat a nasty solvent smell, although that usually goes after a few days.
Lloyd, painting on thinned-down white glue, or a layer of spray-on glue as sizing will firm up your brim; paint on the glue, form to the hat to your shape, then use pins or clips or some such to hold the shape until the glue dries.
The only caveat is that if you get it wet, it may lose it's shape. Or course, you can say the same of a hat made of buckram, so there ya go...
That was 4 minutes and 20 seconds of information I couldn't live without.........I love this channel but can't figure out why.
You should really visit Moesgaard museum in Denmark, and if you ever are going too, i would love to join you for the tour!
- Much love and keep up the great work!
Thea M såsom hvad? kan kun komme på museet i roskilde og københavn der er tæt på at være lige så gode? moesgård er jo lige blevet udvidet ufatteligt meget!
My mind has thoroughly been blown.
I have always wanted an authentic tricore hat, I always thought they looked very dashing Cheers Lindy
It is similar to the three musketeers except their hats had a steel band/crown also I know I say this about a lot of your videos but this one in particular is a special example if I made a video about different hats it would be SO boring but you add your style to it and make it fascinating
I'll take three! You are a good salesman, Lindy.
You can relatively easily re-shape any felt hat (old or new) by holding it in the steam over a pan of boiling water until the felt is damp and warm then shaping it with your fingers or a spoon. When cooled it will hold the new shape.
You can give any crumpled up old hat a new lease of life doing this - just brush the felt clean beforehand. Tis most satisfying.
Loved the Huck Finn look in the outro