I'm speechless. A situation like this took place in my congregation years ago. The boy - 19 years old then - fell in love with a "wordly girl" and refused to just leave her with his baby on the way, so he was disfellowshipped and shunned by everybody including his family (there were five younger siblings there) and expelled from home. The boy did marry his girlfriend, but was unable to cope with the situation and finally took his life. He left a young widow and orphaned his baby. Only then did his parents realize what they had done to their own son. Some time later the whole, devastated family left JW and left the city. No happy ending there...
Sadly this is often the only thing that shakes some people awake. It’s usually a make or break moment, because JWs will turn the tragedy into a faith-strengthening moment that they can never turn back from. Once you tell a mom “you were so brave letting your child die and not allowing your faith to crumble” she basically has to believe the rest of her life or else she’s a monster
A lot of us grew up in it and didn't know any different. That I understand. But grown adults coming into this and seeing it always confuses me. Even as a teen I knew something wasn't right but didn't realize it was a full on cult until years later.
That's the problem. People in it are forbidden to see things like this. And if they do they somehow find a way to justify it... till it happens to them.
I really have to say. You gotta be insane to join this idiot cult as an adult. And I have seen it - only drug addicts, loners and losers joining the cult. In there they can play the big guy in their otherwise miserable, failed life. Have been out since 5 years. But man if you grew up in there - you really lost a lot in life. Still sometimes angry that my parents put me through this bs. But my kids wont suffer the same crap than me.
I made fun of my judicial meeting. I got accused of shooting pool with a df'd friend so i brought him with me as my witness to testify that we never associate at all. The elders didn't think it was funny.
You can't divorce unless we say you can, but if you do anything we don't like - we'll divorce you from us and every person who has ever claimed to love you. True love. I know it's fake but even still all I can think is - he should marry her and run!
The close-ups of the black elder had me rolling. So condescending they’re not there to help you. They’re there to take everything from you and make an example of you.
I had a friend whose mental health got worse after each judicial committee meeting. They did the "immorality" a lot back then and they were guilted into confessing to the elders every single time. Everytime they came back from it all, their mental health got so bad to the brink of insanity. Now I can see why. Any sane, normal human being shouldn't have to go through this shit.
My mother …. I was 10 .. she was a single mother , i understand . The elders didn’t give any thought to her mental health and alcohol use , not even the 2 kids whose life was flipped upside down bc their decision. Life has never been right since
Why is there such an emphasis on making Jehovah sad instead of doing actual harm to others? If I, for example, cheated on my spouse, I'd hope I'd be more sorrowful about how I hurt my spouse than how I hurt Jehovah!
Right? This is what religious people mean by "objective morality" whatever they think hurts god and not other human beings, even though in monotheism, nothing hurts God.
Firstly pregnancy is calculated from the 1st day of last menstrual period. Ovulation and Conception occurs approx 14 days later. Therefore two weeks AFTER intercourse she would be measured at 4 weeks pregnant and would have missed her 1st period. Period cycles on average are 28 days. So she could well have known she was pregnant TWO weeks after conception. The org doesn't know simple biology...how absolutley pathetic to say it would be a month after conception before she would know...jeez the mind boggles.
No man has the power to absolve you from your sins. There is not a single requirement in the bible that says you must confess your sins to a man or a committee.
Pissed me off that the balding white guy, cuts off the black guy by snapping at him and telling him to “let Robby answer the question” and then continues to question and take over.
What's disturbing for me is how easily they all threw this girl under the bus, especially her partner in sin who so easily wanted to be treated like King David, does that mean he accepted the premature death of his child. He is such a creep she is well rid of him because he's more concerned about the opinion of mummy and daddy, grow a pair.
Hmmm I disagree a little. He obviously grew up in this and his whole world will be affected. Much more than a guy who gets a woman pregnant in the world. He probably lives at home. He may even work for other witnesses. Possibly his parents let him stay at home rent free only if he pioneers. He has no support on the outside. He was almost certainly not allowed to go to college and has very little skills to make it in the job force. Now he is faced with a baby and the prospect of losing his whole social circle, his home, possible job....and if his parents are anything like mine they won't even let him take his car cause they own it cause they raised a child who they didn't teach to make it and can't get anything without help. I can totally see him freaking out and not thinking rationally. What I don't get is the pressure to end the relationship. They obviously won't encourage abortion. And they won't encourage him to marry her or be a part of his child's life. He's here confessing cause he obviously is in over his head and they are questioning him like he's a murderer. What else can he possibly do? Honestly I feel bad for him. It's the elders and this process that really piss me off. They raise these kids so sheltered then when they get in these situations they're questioning them to see if they can df them.
@@bmonster they definitely infantalise them, even grown men and women are treated like children and expected to obey their elders. Your points are valid, that's exactly why I said he should grow a pair, he has to start somewhere or be a baby forever.
I remember my mom allowing three grown men question me about my first sexual encounter. She sitting there looking so weak like these men were saviors or something. I gave them very vague answers and I wasn’t sorry about it. When they came back with a decision that I lost my privileges I basically told them to F off and walked out. All of the baptized teenagers including their kids we’re screwing each other. But they could sit up there and judge me. I always resented my mother for how she treated me growing up bullying me and allowing those people to mistreat me. I was never allowed to do anything had to sneak around couldn’t go to college. Everything was always forced and bullied. I’m just now understanding I’m not a bad person and I’m going back to college.
I've never known a woman figure out she's pregnant that quick. Maybe modern tests are more accurate. I'm 50 & we'd usually be sure at around 8 to 10 weeks. This video is a few years old so🤷
@@annabizaro-doo-dah even without modern tests, I knew I was pregnant in just 2 weeks because my period didn't show up. There are even signs before the 2 weeks if you pay attention to your body.
. I'm 50 and my son is 30. I knew after less than 2 weeks simply because my period was 2 days late. 3 days later I got a positive pregnancy test. These days you can find out even earlier.
Except 2 adults consenting to sex is not a crime. That's life. But they treat it more like a crime than if he molested a child. In that case he could get away with it. But daring to sleep with a woman of age who consented can get him df. How messed up is that really?
I just gag at the thought of bodies of elders learning all about women's cycles from this horrible training video. If you have a regular cyclus, you will notice within a few weeks, that you are pregnant. Not to mention all the weird stuff with sickness and things that feel off. Granted, not every woman is the same, but this is absolutely ridiculous. 😵
It's a few years old this video. In fairness most women can't be sure for 8 weeks or so but maybe modern tests are more accurate. I'm the same age as the elders (almost!) & our tests couldn't be accurate at 2 weeks post so I'll give them a pass😂
I grew up JW . It is terrible and is a cult . I have a lot of damage from it . I become addict to hard drugs at the age of 13. I was m0lested by a brother in the Hall, and two of my family members were m0lested by brother/elder also. The elders do nothing about children being abused . I am 33 now and still trying to heal and give my kids the best life. I’ve never had a Christmas tree in my life but I think I will have one this winter. I still have a hard time with holidays …
The elders (higher ups, do not just elders) actually have private/internal "elder," documents to cover up such abuse. Rape, incest, child sexual abuse. Physical abuse/domestic violence. Emotional abuse. All of it. They are really good at covering their asses. They just care about their cult, & making themselves look good. I'm 43. I was severely abused while a jw. Been out since late 2006. I had multiple elders, including relatives that verbally wished My father would murder Me. It was easier than admitting that they were bad people. I hope you are doing better. Take care! W/we're better than the Jehovah's Witnesses that abused U/us.
Truly, Jehovah's Witnesses run their own Kangaroo Court. In Catholicism, you confessed your sins to a priest, became forgiven, did your penance, and you were done. Jehovah's Witnesses shun you and kick you out of the church because you sinned.
Holy schitte. He comes to the elders pleading and they offer no comfort. Do not go to elders for help. No way do i want to get involved with them. This is wicked.
it is trully disgusting. Not you Caleb but the whole thing they do with people. This is the way elders throw sheep away from the congregation as if it was their own.
The brothers DO NOT offer to give you a ride home. They ignored me as soon as the process was over, no talking, no eye contact. I had to head out into a cold winter storm at night. Bastards.
when they asked who he thought he disappointed and he said “oh yeah of course jehovah” that just makes me remember that doing something like that and disappointing your god isn’t your first thought, it’s the fear of dealing with the elders and the family shunning that you think about first and are more fearful about. such a sad situation
i could not help but laugh because i remember feeling the same way when i was a jw!!! i was worried shitless about what my parents or the congregation would think if i ever got disfellowshipped!! the panic attacks regarding all that barely gave me anytime to "think" about jehovah" lol 😭
The story Robby's telling sounds like a story a woman would tell.If Robby was a woman, the story would've sounded more convincing. But, they don't want to show the misogyny they'd use on women(in general), so they put a man in the interview seat. The GB knows what they're doing with this 'instructional' video.
Right. Women don't walk up to men they don't know and invite them to their apartment after one encounter most of the time. Especially not at a restaurant
It’s kinda awful to think about, but seeing how they talk about the DFed brother when he’s not around is so icky and I just know that my committee probably did the same thing. Whatever, thinking back I do get a sort of satisfaction knowing they had to sit there and listen to me describe gay sex at Bethel in excruciating detail. I’m pretty sure they wanted to leave after the first 10 minutes.
You gave me a good idea for my next "judicial comitee" re-seating (as an interrogated person of course! 😂🤣😅). I think I would NOT withhold JUICY details that time and have a good laugh at their reactions 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@RobertoPol710 if I could go back knowing I was going to leave the Borg anyway, I would literally make up 30 different unique and distinct homosexual encounters and describe them all to them as if it was a romance novel. All the way back to my filthy first time in the Chick-Fil-A freezer.
Gaslighting at its best.....or an example of their absolute ignorance regarding medical issues. Women can test positive for pregnancy as early as 8 days after ovulation
Dear Caleb, your work is very very important. Because your videos spread awareness on the "nice" JWs organization. This helps so much !!! You said recently, that you want to move on in life (and I wish you aaall the best for that!), this is very healthy! (I was grateful for your advice at the end of a recent video of yours, to not always be an "exmember" only, but move on, get your life back. This was so helpful!!) But your videos show the disgusting deceitful tactics the JWs (and other groups) use. I learned soo much from you. My life improved through your videos. Because I was able to recognize many of the tactics I hadn't really noticed before. I will be grateful for all your videos (the ones already existing and all the ones you feel comfortable to make in the future.) All the best to you! Best wishes from Germany!
"You did not come to us until you found out she was pregnant"...... Kinda like how king david never said a word until nathan confronted him and THEN he apologized and was forgiven. Kinda like how those people god was going to destroy suddenly repented and he changed his mind and pissed off Jonah. Im sure theres more. But you get the point.
How many murders and suicides can be traced back to these judicial committee hearings? The WTBTS has blood on its hands it will never wash clean. I was disfellowshipped 20 years ago and will never go back. The inhumanity and cruelty of this process is unforgivable.
I tried to commit suicide when they shunned me. My friend a beautiful 23 year old girl committed suicide when her whole family and congregation disfellowshipped her for having a baby. She couldn't take the abuse of going to the kingdom hall and being shunned. She hung herself. 😢
I was a widow for 8 yrs and started talking to a guy who had a brain tumor,I took him to the hall a few times, yes I committed the sex sin and went to the elders. Told them about his health and confessed. Was ❓privately reproved and began gettin shunned tho….then elder asked are you staying away from that guy? I said actually he asked me to marry him. I did that. At an assembly the same elder saw me and asked “ what meditation does your husband take for his brain tumor?” I said = I don’t know but I have it written down in my purse do you want me to get it? He sheepishly said uh no as he walked away. My husband died from the brain tumor 16 years later. I did not stay in that organization. I walked out with Jehovah. I was never in it for the people. I grew more spiritually when I did. ❤
Aren’t the names cleverly chosen? Especially Lucy aka Loosie. I’m surprised they didn’t come right out and say the baby was probably someone else’s. If Robbie had suggested that Lucy was interested in studying, going to meetings and eventually getting baptized, she would’ve always been Loosie in the eyes of the good ol boys.
Oh wow this takes me back! I was an elder when this "training" video came out. I clearly remember this video. One thing I disagree with Caleb is when you said elders want to know every detail. I can tell you I personally didn't. I just wanted to know if someone was truly sorry for their "sin" (I realize now it wasn't any of my business of course) but I'm just giving you the perspective from a former elder. I truly cared about every single person and wanted to truly help. Of course, I know realize I was in a cult. 😔
My father made me go to the meeting were they told the congregation i was disfellowedship. Immediate shunning, I walked in and greeted by the whole congregation left getting treated like a criminal in the outkast
I asked the elders, if Jehovah speaks to you guys, how is it that I have to tell you what I did ? Wouldn't you already know, since you speak to God ? Why is it you want all these details. Looks more like to me, you want to relive the experience thru the details.. They're faces turned red, and my father up hands on me when I got home.
As someone who endured this stupid judicial committee herself this is so sad to see. BUT I couldn’t hold it together when the guy mentioned the irresistible pick up line „wanna check out my aquarium?“ 😂😂😂 which she obviously must have used many times before 🤦🏻♀️
"He gave in to a manipulative worldly woman" how utterly disgusting thing to say..they inly know one side of the matter. Both parties were willing and consenting.
Right? What’s the deal with all the blaming on the woman. “She seduced me” “I wonder how many times she used that line” “she got pregnant?” (not “he got her pregnant”.)
After they finish destroying him and are going to DF him... They'll go home gossip to their Elderett wife's about him so his business is out within the hour 😮... He went there to get help from other men who claimed that they said God got them... Oh and if you don't fake the crying they don't believe you're really sorry... Because the elders can read your heart 😮
1:33 The first 3 shots, 7 seconds, were enough to make me cringe. The expressions of compassion on the elders' faces are so over the top, and the guy's cry is unsincere as hell
They’re smart enough not to show the inquisitive questions of every little detail about the sex he had, in the video. Oh their God - that made me feel abused when I experienced that at 18.
It is stressful enough to be young responsible for your actions of mistakes. This is when you need more kindness and support not shunned by those you expect to be there for you out of love I had an abortion not because god would be upset but how others thought of me being out in the world. I had voluntarily left jw cause I felt absolutely alone. Even though was pioneer, went to meetings, studied, participate but still completely alone and sadness at 18. Kept questioning so many things being taught but no satisfying answers. Suffered with depression anxiety and suicidal for a long time. Did not know until professional help. Now I am free from the bullshit cult. Happily married for 34 years two kids and 6 grandkids. No it has not been easy but I have true joy in my heart.
I know of 2 young baptised males in the Rockhampton congregation, Queensland, Australia. This was in the 1960s, about '64 or '65. One was DfD the other a young brother to the wife of a big wig in the congregation was reprimanded. The one DfD didn't want yo be drafted into the Australian Army as a conscript in the Vietnam conflict era (e-ra Americans). He got his world girl friend pregnant as an excuse to be married with wife and family on its way which the Aussie government granted leave from conscription. Contrast is one family of big wig. The other considered not repentant. Go figure this BULLSH1T.
So much disgustingness is being exposed I don't even know where to start - modern day self righteous Pharisees. The amount of excessive guilt, mental anguish and punishment the elders put him thru even after the fact is just cruel and wicked. Obviously we're all different personality wise but the night/day differences between congregation elders is uncanny and I've found to be true. For a united organization that preaches unity of mind - elders sure don't practice it or anyone higher up than your average publisher for that matter.
I found out that a person I knows husband just got disfellowshipped after going to the elders and seeking help for his drinking, his wife had previously went to them seeking help for him but when he came they disfellowshipped him.
This exact situation happened in my former congregation and they (the elders) suggested to the guy to forget her and the baby and have nothing to do with them.
Jesus has to be saying “Hey guys what about me in this matter “? Jehovah has to saying “why do you guys keep saying my name when I have turned everything over to my Son”. This video is on point my appeal was conducted in like mannner. Modern day Pharisee is what they are. All meetings conducted in the dark just like Jesus’s trial.
A lot of effort and energy in "keeping the congregation clean",a lot of money and court fights to maintain the reputation of the JW organization in CSA cases. Conclusion: they are not interested in people, only the image of the corporation.
Yes, no matter how honestly repentant you are during the appeal, the impression from the 1st comittee will always will. It can be even more stupid like in my case. I was not present during my J.Comittee (they did it without me). Then during the appeal I asked to explain why I was DF (I did not know), what proofs and witnesses they have etc. Than they said, WE CAN ONLY JUDGE YOUR REPENTANCE DURING THE J.C. EVEN YOU WERE NOT THERE. I am not kidding.
I got DFed under these same circumstances, minus the pregnancy. My relationship with JWs lasted another 3 years. My marriage to the girl has lasted 36 years
Man this 3 dudes need to know exactly how many times he did the “jiggy wiggy” with Lucy? They also just ignored the fact that this young JW possibly got this girl pregnant and ….his responsibility for the baby? Oh no….forgedda bout it….break it up with Lucy now…..just abandon the girl and the baby. It’s all so creepy and stupid…..now that we look at it from the outside as ex JWs….what business is it of them what consenting adults do behind closed door? And why do they need to know how many times they had sex? Very very creepy! 🤔🇨🇺🇺🇸
Such a LONG video I keep waiting to hear that "OT" bell ring. This would be marked as Needs Improvement if they were doing this in the Theocratic Ministry School 😅😂
I cant pick what shocked me the most... "Personally I think six months it's too soon" " He commited fornication for 2-3 times a WEEK for 2 months! How dare!! He actually sounded jealous... hahah I cant... we can only laugh at this now to heal the damage they have done...
Jesus said his followers would be known for the ‘intense love’ they had for one another. They have discarded more people and created more discarded people than they have ever baptized.
C'mon the worst thing about this series of videos is the elders want him to desert the mother & child. The later judicials they dont even ask how the mother is😞
This makes me wonder if the JWs are working on creating one of those judge type series you see on TV. Save for Caleb's entertaining commentary, this judicial committee idea is beyond boring.
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I'm speechless. A situation like this took place in my congregation years ago. The boy - 19 years old then - fell in love with a "wordly girl" and refused to just leave her with his baby on the way, so he was disfellowshipped and shunned by everybody including his family (there were five younger siblings there) and expelled from home. The boy did marry his girlfriend, but was unable to cope with the situation and finally took his life. He left a young widow and orphaned his baby. Only then did his parents realize what they had done to their own son. Some time later the whole, devastated family left JW and left the city. No happy ending there...
Sadly this is often the only thing that shakes some people awake. It’s usually a make or break moment, because JWs will turn the tragedy into a faith-strengthening moment that they can never turn back from.
Once you tell a mom “you were so brave letting your child die and not allowing your faith to crumble” she basically has to believe the rest of her life or else she’s a monster
Wow...
Wow, that’s heavy, and so messed up !
That is tragic! All this oeganized religion is soooo harmful to individuals and even society in general. JWs are no exception. 😮💨
Jehovah's Witnesses are modern day Pharasees.
They've got a father to abandon a girl and a baby and behave as if they've done a good deed omg
How can people watch this and NOT see it's a cult?
And we just ditch the responsibility to Lucy and the baby? This is disgusting.
And paint poor absent Lucy as a manipulative jezebel. Robbie is an immature sniveling coward.
A lot of us grew up in it and didn't know any different. That I understand. But grown adults coming into this and seeing it always confuses me. Even as a teen I knew something wasn't right but didn't realize it was a full on cult until years later.
That's the problem.
People in it are forbidden to see things like this.
And if they do they somehow find a way to justify it... till it happens to them.
I really have to say. You gotta be insane to join this idiot cult as an adult.
And I have seen it - only drug addicts, loners and losers joining the cult. In there they can play the big guy in their otherwise miserable, failed life.
Have been out since 5 years. But man if you grew up in there - you really lost a lot in life.
Still sometimes angry that my parents put me through this bs.
But my kids wont suffer the same crap than me.
@@bibbitty they cant see it as a cult if they are already brainwashed by it.
I made fun of my judicial meeting. I got accused of shooting pool with a df'd friend so i brought him with me as my witness to testify that we never associate at all. The elders didn't think it was funny.
I'm cracking up
It WAS funny! :D
SAVAGE AF 😂😂🤣🤣💀💀
@@cygnustsp 🤣🤣
The message. Abandon the woman and child and restore your relationship with us.
You can't divorce unless we say you can, but if you do anything we don't like - we'll divorce you from us and every person who has ever claimed to love you.
True love. I know it's fake but even still all I can think is - he should marry her and run!
Come look at my aquarium 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You mean “cum” and look at my aquarium 😆
Maybe when he was done with her, it was an aquarium lol
It’s got a double meaning, look at the fish and smell the fish 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Ah, the old "Come see my aquarium" line! Jezebel!
😩😩😩😩
The close-ups of the black elder had me rolling. So condescending they’re not there to help you. They’re there to take everything from you and make an example of you.
I had a friend whose mental health got worse after each judicial committee meeting. They did the "immorality" a lot back then and they were guilted into confessing to the elders every single time. Everytime they came back from it all, their mental health got so bad to the brink of insanity. Now I can see why. Any sane, normal human being shouldn't have to go through this shit.
Exactly, I left in 1985, same year I was blackmailed into baptism.
My mother …. I was 10 .. she was a single mother , i understand . The elders didn’t give any thought to her mental health and alcohol use , not even the 2 kids whose life was flipped upside down bc their decision. Life has never been right since
Desgusting. Nobody gave 2 shirts about the baby on the way.
They had Robbie completely “disown” his own child. 😢
I know. Disgusting.
But they don’t break up families, right? 💀
Ah yes, the "aquarium pick up line". I'm using that next time
The guy from The Boys just perked up.
That "Meeting" has the vibe of a Police Interrogation
Or rather a Stasi-Interrogation
Again.. sexual repression leads to horrible results. They aren't doctors and cannot give medical advice / regulation.
Sickening. Begging men for mercy and forgiveness when they can offer no salvation.
Why is there such an emphasis on making Jehovah sad instead of doing actual harm to others? If I, for example, cheated on my spouse, I'd hope I'd be more sorrowful about how I hurt my spouse than how I hurt Jehovah!
Right? This is what religious people mean by "objective morality" whatever they think hurts god and not other human beings, even though in monotheism, nothing hurts God.
Firstly pregnancy is calculated from the 1st day of last menstrual period. Ovulation and Conception occurs approx 14 days later. Therefore two weeks AFTER intercourse she would be measured at 4 weeks pregnant and would have missed her 1st period. Period cycles on average are 28 days. So she could well have known she was pregnant TWO weeks after conception.
The org doesn't know simple biology...how absolutley pathetic to say it would be a month after conception before she would know...jeez the mind boggles.
This is the comment I was looking for. Thank you.
This is infuriating. I’m so glad I refused to go to my judicial meeting.
No man has the power to absolve you from your sins. There is not a single requirement in the bible that says you must confess your sins to a man or a committee.
Pissed me off that the balding white guy, cuts off the black guy by snapping at him and telling him to “let Robby answer the question” and then continues to question and take over.
Bruh I just saw that lol. I guess the lesson is stop beating around the bush and get to the point. But it was weird af.
It's because he's the presiding overseer. The senior elder. They're very status orientated.
What's disturbing for me is how easily they all threw this girl under the bus, especially her partner in sin who so easily wanted to be treated like King David, does that mean he accepted the premature death of his child.
He is such a creep she is well rid of him because he's more concerned about the opinion of mummy and daddy, grow a pair.
Exactly my thinking
Hmmm I disagree a little. He obviously grew up in this and his whole world will be affected. Much more than a guy who gets a woman pregnant in the world. He probably lives at home. He may even work for other witnesses. Possibly his parents let him stay at home rent free only if he pioneers. He has no support on the outside. He was almost certainly not allowed to go to college and has very little skills to make it in the job force. Now he is faced with a baby and the prospect of losing his whole social circle, his home, possible job....and if his parents are anything like mine they won't even let him take his car cause they own it cause they raised a child who they didn't teach to make it and can't get anything without help. I can totally see him freaking out and not thinking rationally.
What I don't get is the pressure to end the relationship. They obviously won't encourage abortion. And they won't encourage him to marry her or be a part of his child's life. He's here confessing cause he obviously is in over his head and they are questioning him like he's a murderer. What else can he possibly do?
Honestly I feel bad for him. It's the elders and this process that really piss me off. They raise these kids so sheltered then when they get in these situations they're questioning them to see if they can df them.
This chick gave him her phone number and he likewise I guess. Usually my one night stands don't end with exchanging information.
@@cygnustsp yes that's what he said, must've been good 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@bmonster they definitely infantalise them, even grown men and women are treated like children and expected to obey their elders. Your points are valid, that's exactly why I said he should grow a pair, he has to start somewhere or be a baby forever.
I remember my mom allowing three grown men question me about my first sexual encounter. She sitting there looking so weak like these men were saviors or something. I gave them very vague answers and I wasn’t sorry about it. When they came back with a decision that I lost my privileges I basically told them to F off and walked out. All of the baptized teenagers including their kids we’re screwing each other. But they could sit up there and judge me. I always resented my mother for how she treated me growing up bullying me and allowing those people to mistreat me. I was never allowed to do anything had to sneak around couldn’t go to college. Everything was always forced and bullied. I’m just now understanding I’m not a bad person and I’m going back to college.
A woman can, in fact find out she's pregnant just a couple of weeks after "the incident". This is just bad woman's anatomy
I was looking for this comment 😂
Well they have no secular education. So what to expect.
I've never known a woman figure out she's pregnant that quick. Maybe modern tests are more accurate. I'm 50 & we'd usually be sure at around 8 to 10 weeks. This video is a few years old so🤷
@@annabizaro-doo-dah even without modern tests, I knew I was pregnant in just 2 weeks because my period didn't show up. There are even signs before the 2 weeks if you pay attention to your body.
. I'm 50 and my son is 30. I knew after less than 2 weeks simply because my period was 2 days late. 3 days later I got a positive pregnancy test. These days you can find out even earlier.
This is sick
Imagine committing a fairly minor crime and having a prison sentence of indeterminate length. This cult, honestly. 🤯
Except 2 adults consenting to sex is not a crime. That's life. But they treat it more like a crime than if he molested a child. In that case he could get away with it. But daring to sleep with a woman of age who consented can get him df. How messed up is that really?
@@bmonster exactly
I just gag at the thought of bodies of elders learning all about women's cycles from this horrible training video. If you have a regular cyclus, you will notice within a few weeks, that you are pregnant. Not to mention all the weird stuff with sickness and things that feel off. Granted, not every woman is the same, but this is absolutely ridiculous. 😵
It's a few years old this video. In fairness most women can't be sure for 8 weeks or so but maybe modern tests are more accurate. I'm the same age as the elders (almost!) & our tests couldn't be accurate at 2 weeks post so I'll give them a pass😂
Watchtower = filthy CULT!
I grew up JW . It is terrible and is a cult . I have a lot of damage from it . I become addict to hard drugs at the age of 13. I was m0lested by a brother in the Hall, and two of my family members were m0lested by brother/elder also. The elders do nothing about children being abused . I am 33 now and still trying to heal and give my kids the best life. I’ve never had a Christmas tree in my life but I think I will have one this winter. I still have a hard time with holidays …
The elders (higher ups, do not just elders) actually have private/internal "elder," documents to cover up such abuse. Rape, incest, child sexual abuse. Physical abuse/domestic violence. Emotional abuse. All of it. They are really good at covering their asses.
They just care about their cult, & making themselves look good.
I'm 43. I was severely abused while a jw. Been out since late 2006. I had multiple elders, including relatives that verbally wished My father would murder Me. It was easier than admitting that they were bad people.
I hope you are doing better.
Take care! W/we're better than the Jehovah's Witnesses that abused U/us.
Truly, Jehovah's Witnesses run their own Kangaroo Court.
In Catholicism, you confessed your sins to a priest, became forgiven, did your penance, and you were done. Jehovah's Witnesses shun you and kick you out of the church because you sinned.
How bout peedofiles in catholicism?
Both require you to confess to men and neither has the authority to forgive your sins.
Both have long histories of hiding child sexual abuse from the police and the public.
@@StanslaMichael I believe that Catholic priests have the authority.
@@maroxesen1 How so?
This video should be shown in every court of law in every country. They changed a few words, the meaning is the same as the consequences.
Absolutely, in the ones that care about such things. Truly shows the narcissism of the jws, especially in the top rungs of the cult.
Holy schitte. He comes to the elders pleading and they offer no comfort. Do not go to elders for help. No way do i want to get involved with them. This is wicked.
it is trully disgusting. Not you Caleb but the whole thing they do with people. This is the way elders throw sheep away from the congregation as if it was their own.
The brothers DO NOT offer to give you a ride home. They ignored me as soon as the process was over, no talking, no eye contact. I had to head out into a cold winter storm at night. Bastards.
Omg, this infuriated me, I'm so sorry! Ya, such a loving organization
when they asked who he thought he disappointed and he said “oh yeah of course jehovah” that just makes me remember that doing something like that and disappointing your god isn’t your first thought, it’s the fear of dealing with the elders and the family shunning that you think about first and are more fearful about. such a sad situation
i could not help but laugh because i remember feeling the same way when i was a jw!!! i was worried shitless about what my parents or the congregation would think if i ever got disfellowshipped!! the panic attacks regarding all that barely gave me anytime to "think" about jehovah" lol 😭
Only Jehovah can judge a persons heart
The story Robby's telling sounds like a story a woman would tell.If Robby was a woman, the story would've sounded more convincing.
But, they don't want to show the misogyny they'd use on women(in general), so they put a man in the interview seat.
The GB knows what they're doing with this 'instructional' video.
Right. Women don't walk up to men they don't know and invite them to their apartment after one encounter most of the time. Especially not at a restaurant
Very good point
It’s kinda awful to think about, but seeing how they talk about the DFed brother when he’s not around is so icky and I just know that my committee probably did the same thing.
Whatever, thinking back I do get a sort of satisfaction knowing they had to sit there and listen to me describe gay sex at Bethel in excruciating detail. I’m pretty sure they wanted to leave after the first 10 minutes.
I love it!!! Give those creeps the creeps haha, good for you 😂
@@BeavisMcThe lol I may have been partially responsible for pillowgate
@derekmaverick5986 you are my hero hahaha!!
You gave me a good idea for my next "judicial comitee" re-seating (as an interrogated person of course! 😂🤣😅). I think I would NOT withhold JUICY details that time and have a good laugh at their reactions 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@RobertoPol710 if I could go back knowing I was going to leave the Borg anyway, I would literally make up 30 different unique and distinct homosexual encounters and describe them all to them as if it was a romance novel. All the way back to my filthy first time in the Chick-Fil-A freezer.
Thanks!
Gaslighting at its best.....or an example of their absolute ignorance regarding medical issues. Women can test positive for pregnancy as early as 8 days after ovulation
Also there is no further information about the girl he got pregnant. Did he just toss her aside like trash? Is he going to help support his child?
If Jehovah knows and sees all, why must someone share every single detail with the elders? Really, this can't get any cringier.
Dear Caleb, your work is very very important.
Because your videos spread awareness on the "nice" JWs organization. This helps so much !!!
You said recently, that you want to move on in life (and I wish you aaall the best for that!), this is very healthy! (I was grateful for your advice at the end of a recent video of yours, to not always be an "exmember" only, but move on, get your life back. This was so helpful!!)
But your videos show the disgusting deceitful tactics the JWs (and other groups) use.
I learned soo much from you. My life improved through your videos. Because I was able to recognize many of the tactics I hadn't really noticed before.
I will be grateful for all your videos (the ones already existing and all the ones you feel comfortable to make in the future.)
All the best to you! Best wishes from Germany!
"You did not come to us until you found out she was pregnant"......
Kinda like how king david never said a word until nathan confronted him and THEN he apologized and was forgiven. Kinda like how those people god was going to destroy suddenly repented and he changed his mind and pissed off Jonah. Im sure theres more. But you get the point.
Their cringy tone of voices and facial expressions. 🤮😆
How many murders and suicides can be traced back to these judicial committee hearings? The WTBTS has blood on its hands it will never wash clean. I was disfellowshipped 20 years ago and will never go back. The inhumanity and cruelty of this process is unforgivable.
I tried to commit suicide when they shunned me. My friend a beautiful 23 year old girl committed suicide when her whole family and congregation disfellowshipped her for having a baby. She couldn't take the abuse of going to the kingdom hall and being shunned. She hung herself. 😢
I was a widow for 8 yrs and started talking to a guy who had a brain tumor,I took him to the hall a few times, yes I committed the sex sin and went to the elders. Told them about his health and confessed. Was ❓privately reproved and began gettin shunned tho….then elder asked are you staying away from that guy? I said actually he asked me to marry him. I did that. At an assembly the same elder saw me and asked “ what meditation does your husband take for his brain tumor?” I said = I don’t know but I have it written down in my purse do you want me to get it? He sheepishly said uh no as he walked away.
My husband died from the brain tumor 16 years later. I did not stay in that organization. I walked out with Jehovah. I was never in it for the people. I grew more spiritually when I did. ❤
Aren’t the names cleverly chosen? Especially Lucy aka Loosie. I’m surprised they didn’t come right out and say the baby was probably someone else’s.
If Robbie had suggested that Lucy was interested in studying, going to meetings and eventually getting baptized, she would’ve always been Loosie in the eyes of the good ol boys.
Oh wow this takes me back! I was an elder when this "training" video came out. I clearly remember this video. One thing I disagree with Caleb is when you said elders want to know every detail. I can tell you I personally didn't. I just wanted to know if someone was truly sorry for their "sin" (I realize now it wasn't any of my business of course) but I'm just giving you the perspective from a former elder. I truly cared about every single person and wanted to truly help. Of course, I know realize I was in a cult. 😔
My father made me go to the meeting were they told the congregation i was disfellowedship. Immediate shunning, I walked in and greeted by the whole congregation left getting treated like a criminal in the outkast
I asked the elders, if Jehovah speaks to you guys, how is it that I have to tell you what I did ? Wouldn't you already know, since you speak to God ? Why is it you want all these details. Looks more like to me, you want to relive the experience thru the details.. They're faces turned red, and my father up hands on me when I got home.
As someone who endured this stupid judicial committee herself this is so sad to see.
BUT I couldn’t hold it together when the guy mentioned the irresistible pick up line „wanna check out my aquarium?“ 😂😂😂 which she obviously must have used many times before 🤦🏻♀️
The actor DOES look kinda like the aqua dude in The Boys...
This video needs to get out to current JWs. So many don't realise this is what goes on behind the scenes
They'd probably agree with it
"He gave in to a manipulative worldly woman" how utterly disgusting thing to say..they inly know one side of the matter. Both parties were willing and consenting.
Right? What’s the deal with all the blaming on the woman. “She seduced me” “I wonder how many times she used that line” “she got pregnant?” (not “he got her pregnant”.)
After they finish destroying him and are going to DF him... They'll go home gossip to their Elderett wife's about him so his business is out within the hour 😮... He went there to get help from other men who claimed that they said God got them... Oh and if you don't fake the crying they don't believe you're really sorry... Because the elders can read your heart 😮
I had to laugh at the background painting at 40:00. I thought, whoa, isn't that the cover from the Kansas "Magnum Opus" album?
1:33 The first 3 shots, 7 seconds, were enough to make me cringe. The expressions of compassion on the elders' faces are so over the top, and the guy's cry is unsincere as hell
One is just staring off into the distance while this man bawls 😂
They’re smart enough not to show the inquisitive questions of every little detail about the sex he had, in the video. Oh their God - that made me feel abused when I experienced that at 18.
It is stressful enough to be young responsible for your actions of mistakes. This is when you need more kindness and support not shunned by those you expect to be there for you out of love
I had an abortion not because god would be upset but how others thought of me being out in the world. I had voluntarily left jw cause I felt absolutely alone. Even though was pioneer, went to meetings, studied, participate but still completely alone and sadness at 18. Kept questioning so many things being taught but no satisfying answers. Suffered with depression anxiety and suicidal for a long time. Did not know until professional help.
Now I am free from the bullshit cult. Happily married for 34 years two kids and 6 grandkids. No it has not been easy but I have true joy in my heart.
The dude was right to be scared 😱 😨 he lost his family and all the people he was allowed to be friend with.
Fake friends, but he didn't know...
By the way... I knew I was pregnant one week afterwards. But, elders knows better than a woman 😂😂😅😮🤯
I know of 2 young baptised males in the Rockhampton congregation, Queensland, Australia.
This was in the 1960s, about '64 or '65.
One was DfD the other a young brother to the wife of a big wig in the congregation was reprimanded.
The one DfD didn't want yo be drafted into the Australian Army as a conscript in the Vietnam conflict era (e-ra Americans).
He got his world girl friend pregnant as an excuse to be married with wife and family on its way which the Aussie government granted leave from conscription.
Contrast is one family of big wig.
The other considered not repentant.
Go figure this BULLSH1T.
I am sad for so many people who are leaving today and needs Ex-jws to help them. They have not a Iota of an idea how to make real friends. It's sad.
This is horrendous!
Of course it is the woman's fault 🤦🏾♀️
Funniest thing in this video to me is that the appeal committee were just doppelgängers of the original elders
34:57 "(...) this apppeal process is actually a loving provision from Jehovah's organization" 🤣
So much disgustingness is being exposed I don't even know where to start - modern day self righteous Pharisees.
The amount of excessive guilt, mental anguish and punishment the elders put him thru even after the fact is just cruel and wicked.
Obviously we're all different personality wise but the night/day differences between congregation elders is uncanny and I've found to be true.
For a united organization that preaches unity of mind - elders sure don't practice it or anyone higher up than your average publisher for that matter.
It’s not for these men to “ascertain his heart condition”!!!!
News flash everyone: most of these judgy so called elders are sleeping around..more so than the average rank and file. What hypocrites 😂
I found out that a person I knows husband just got disfellowshipped after going to the elders and seeking help for his drinking, his wife had previously went to them seeking help for him but when he came they disfellowshipped him.
This exact situation happened in my former congregation and they (the elders) suggested to the guy to forget her and the baby and have nothing to do with them.
The silly metaphor names are so corny. “Get it? Lucy, cause she’s LOOSE!” Bro. Elderman. Newville. It’s embarrassing.
Without lies, the Watchtower dies
I love this truth!
I can barely watch this!!! So cringeworthy
Jesus has to be saying “Hey guys what about me in this matter “? Jehovah has to saying “why do you guys keep saying my name when I have turned everything over to my Son”. This video is on point my appeal was conducted in like mannner. Modern day Pharisee is what they are. All meetings conducted in the dark just like Jesus’s trial.
Those are invasive questions
You're an invasive questions.
A lot of effort and energy in "keeping the congregation clean",a lot of money and court fights to maintain the reputation of the JW organization in CSA cases. Conclusion: they are not interested in people, only the image of the corporation.
Yes, no matter how honestly repentant you are during the appeal, the impression from the 1st comittee will always will. It can be even more stupid like in my case. I was not present during my J.Comittee (they did it without me). Then during the appeal I asked to explain why I was DF (I did not know), what proofs and witnesses they have etc. Than they said, WE CAN ONLY JUDGE YOUR REPENTANCE DURING THE J.C. EVEN YOU WERE NOT THERE. I am not kidding.
Imagine God himself can’t appear in these judicial committees in churches😅and just letting these NOT INSPIRED MEN talk and make the decisions😂
Funny how they carefully study the S book and but leave bible aside... so telling
He didn't come forward earlier cause they were HAVING FUN!! DUUUUH!!!
" come up and see my aquarium'. That's a new one😂. "Hook, line & sinker" boom, boom!
I got DFed under these same circumstances, minus the pregnancy. My relationship with JWs lasted another 3 years. My marriage to the girl has lasted 36 years
Uggghhh this is so painful to watch. Real grace is so different. These people don't have any concept of grace. Not even one iota.😢
Man this 3 dudes need to know exactly how many times he did the “jiggy wiggy” with Lucy? They also just ignored the fact that this young JW possibly got this girl pregnant and ….his responsibility for the baby? Oh no….forgedda bout it….break it up with Lucy now…..just abandon the girl and the baby. It’s all so creepy and stupid…..now that we look at it from the outside as ex JWs….what business is it of them what consenting adults do behind closed door? And why do they need to know how many times they had sex? Very very creepy!
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What a load of crap!!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Such a LONG video I keep waiting to hear that "OT" bell ring. This would be marked as Needs Improvement if they were doing this in the Theocratic Ministry School 😅😂
I cant pick what shocked me the most... "Personally I think six months it's too soon" " He commited fornication for 2-3 times a WEEK for 2 months! How dare!! He actually sounded jealous... hahah I cant... we can only laugh at this now to heal the damage they have done...
I was rolling my eyes at the stupid fake names until it dawned on me why they named her Lucy lol, so much cringe
Lucy-fer
@@kawehionalaniI thought it was cause she was loose 😂
@@whitneymouse 🤣🤣🤣 oh yeah! That too 💁🏻♀️ Loose-y-fur lmao
Jesus said his followers would be known for the ‘intense love’ they had for one another. They have discarded more people and created more discarded people than they have ever baptized.
C'mon the worst thing about this series of videos is the elders want him to desert the mother & child. The later judicials they dont even ask how the mother is😞
They are ruthless
is the line secure? I am using a key for my desk.
Been there done that, but when the elder asks did you come in her mouth, I lost it.
This makes me wonder if the JWs are working on creating one of those judge type series you see on TV. Save for Caleb's entertaining commentary, this judicial committee idea is beyond boring.
Robbie is dumb. He should just have been in the Maury show
@@paulamccomb7481😂😂
So you know that both my father and sister Ince they start speaking about the Borg gave the same voice cadence. No really. Now I understand why
Thank you ❣️
The coldest part is they are instructed not to pray w/ the individual.
If it’s through the elders that we restore our relationship with God when we sun then what is the point with Jesus’ death ?
If god is all knowing and sees everything I do already why do I need to confess to humans?
@@ToriHarris-lb6zg good point
2 or 3 times a day, it was awesome eveytime
Aquarium? Amateur, I get all the women inviting them to see my Yu-Gi-Oh collection 😂
let’s not forget that robbie literally didn’t even do anything wrong
Well she seduced him… OF COURSE it’s always the woman’s fault. Glad to be out 10 years now.
Io sono fuori da 3anni e sono contentissimo 😊,fanculo la societa WATCHTOWER e tutto il suo falso credo .da L'ITALIA SALUTI E BUONA VITA A TUTTI SECONDO I VOSTRI DESIDERI.
Must they talk in their mellow dramatic voice all the time??
It's part of the brainwashing