I love the thought process of bigots and bullies in X-Men comics. ”Hey you know that purple kid that can crush cars with his mind and shoot bees from his nipples?" "Yeah?" "Let's pick on him and throw stuff at him!" "YEAH!"
It’s because it’s a lose lose situation for the mutant. If he doesn’t fight back,they get to beat on a minority. If he does fight back then their attack is justified because mutants are “dangerous”.
@@PhantoRoyce 😂 Same two guys, months later eating through tubes. "Hey Cleet, y'know what else we could have also done?" "Swear to God Mike, I am so tired of your bitching! We were fighting for HUMANITY!" "Bowling, we coulda gone bowling back when our legs worked and we didn't have catheters."
Takes a lot of courage you don't see to walk up to what could be a wmd and start upsetting them. Perticular later in the story when groups like genosha would view you as a war hero for fighting back. Also the we love Spiderman and fantastic four but screw xmen raise questions
I mean, there's obviously a fine line between "reasonable concern" and "outright bigotry," but honestly, yeah. Humans should be afraid of at least SOME mutants. Hell, there are some mutants that most other mutants should be afraid of. People like Magneto and Xavier can affect the world on a global scale. And despite all their claims to being SO different from humans, mutants are still subject to all the same moral and ethical failings of humankind. I wouldn't trust ANYONE with the power to literally shut-down the entire world's energy infrastructure in an instant, and I don't think that is an unfair position...
But why did magneto use a worldwide emp? Because he felt humanity had declared war already on genosha and wanted to stop a mutant "pogrom". This ep shows bastion and magneto are both going eye fir eye and making the whole world blind. Xavier offers restraint and cooperation
@@Thed538dhsk Yeah, I was answering the general query of "should humans fear mutants?" Not specific instances. Mutants like Magneto are basically the equivalent of random humans owning atomic bombs. And there's a reason we REALLY don't want random motherfuckers owning atomic weapons...
They one upped the idea of Captain America siding with mutants willingly. Instead, the sentinels extended their genocidal movement to target all of humanity’s heroes (even those who’d been following the rules). It was an interesting writing direction.
It didn't look like the Sentinels were attacking the heroes for being heroes. I have to watch it again, but it looks like they only attacked those who opposed them. Why they came after Black Panther? I assumed he had mutants in his throne room. But I could be overthinking it
@@BrakSplashThey were pretty much just indiscriminately rampaging. Bastion (and Master Mold in the original show) realized with their logic that mutants *are* humans and therefore need to be protected from themselves.
In the comics, AI becomes the new new threat, a monster created (or really, discovered) by humanity that escaped its cage and turned on the master. So I saw that scene as the precursor to that, the robot takeover future.
Hmmm, if I live in the marvel universe. Mutants would be at the bottom of the list of my fears, I be wondering why they using on the mutants when there Aliens, Gods, Killer Robots, Kaiju, and etc attacking cities almost daily. So, I don't think it justified
Also same. Spiderman's rogue gallery alone is a bigger threat than like 99% of mutants. Rhino is just a robber. Most mutants aren't violent and those who are X-Men, x factor, x force, alpha flight, etc help fight. Meanwhile the literal devil is trying to have some new scheme or corruption with kingpin or galactic showing up. Mutants are the least of Earth's worries in the comics except for a few exceptions like apocalypse or namor. Even magento if you leave him and mutants alone, Charles can convince him and has been proven to get magento to chill out
I mean, that kind of makes sense, but you don't have to encounter alien gods on a day to day basis (that's more of a semi-annual thing). In a world with mutants, though, you have no way of knowing if the dude who you just accidentally cut off in traffic is a short-tempered sociopath who has the power to explode dicks with their mind. THAT's the kind of constant, always-in-the-background threat that is going to stress your ass out in a way that nothing else will. For an analogy, nuclear weapons are inarguably a bigger danger to humanity as a whole than anything else, but most people worry way more about some random asshole deciding to start shooting a gun in a mall...
@@Thed538dhskHeck, the only superhero who routinely helps out in the Middle East is Dust; a student of the Xmen who regularly goes back to Afghanistan and drives groups like the Taliban out to help free towns.
It is weird, though. In any other hero settings, regular humans mistrusting people with powers is portrayed as understandable, but in X-Men, it's just portrayed as prejudice.
Its the idea of the " lottery" of being powered by being born with it. Its something that cant be obtained (normally) by buying it, you cant cultivate it, you cant earn it, you cant find it, and it cant be gifted (unless its Apocalypse giving it to you, but im saying). Barthalomew the human does not understand how, or why. He just knows its not him. Humans fear what they dont understand. So its both Fear and ravenous jealousy. Because in that world every other Harry, Moe and Larry gets splashed with chemicals, they tripped and fell into magic , Aliens lose something and they find it, or the Government comes and turns them into a weapon or something. But somehow Bart missed out, they rolled a 1. But mutants? Rolled a 20. Even if its just a boy that just looks like a chicken. Its enough to fill Bartholomew with Hate, Jealousy, and Envy. Add a dash of Fear to it an *Boom!!!* Nimrods at the family BBQ.
It is weird. However, one could argue most powered individuals besides mutants got their powers in a one in a million scenario where the situation that they are in should have killed them.
It is predjudice. Not every mutant instakills you with a touch, thus thinking this way makes you dumb. At the same time, not being cautious of unregulated mutants would also make you dumb. But the issue is X-Men is no longer a valid bigotry analogy. Both sides are helmed by powerful people with conflicting interests conscripting disillusioned young people into indocrinated militia. That's the angle they should be hitting now. Because that is a more frightening scope as far as I'm concerned, and closer to our actual current plight as a species. Bigotry is only one piece on the chessboard.
I think it’s also because you’re in the perspective of those with powers in the Xmen where the heroes were kids who reached puberty and strange stuff happened to them. And a lot of the teens don’t have great powers. I mean, you have one couple where the guy looks like a battery farm chicken and his wife has the internal physiology of a fly. And yet, regardless of what the ability is or how well they’re known, it often results in minors being attacked by grown men and women who suddenly turn on them.
So what if humanity dies out? Like seriously what is wrong with humans not being on the planet anymore? Mutants aren't killing them, their descendants will be mutants. What's so wrong with that?
Interesting point but, that is not how evolution works, (althougth Marvel universe does not follow real logic), but in reality, everyone is a small mutation from their parrents, since they are not identical copies but have our own special genes, so if those set of genes are allow you to survive enough to reproduce, then your mutation is successfull, if not, well you will not reproduce, since you do not have the cualifications to survive, so it is not like human now will have mutant childen and then mutant children will have eventualy ubermutant ( or whatever come next) but that only the qualities that allow you to not only survive but succed will be the ones that persist, the rest will be killed directly or indirectly ( by not being enought to gather resourese for their survival), so the fear here will be that at some point one or the other will inevitably cause the dead of the other humanoid specie, since only the most adapted will be the one to stay. But that is not the only thing that could happen, it could be that both, humans and mutants have enought capabilities as species to survive without issue, and there are enought resourses for them to flourish, and of course, just some individuals that are not fit will not survive (as it always happens). So if there is replacement it will indeed be one species killing the other, or there is a external factor that only one species has the qualities to survive.
@@Krawietz M8 that is not how the Comics have portrayed this at all. Yeah that is how real evolution but this is comics where a guy can shoot lasers that have concussive force and another guy is a blue demon catholic priest. Humans produce Mutants (People with an activated X-Gene) relatively often. Most of the characters have human parents not Mutant ones.
Well, I'd argue that the real issue is that the poison that infects humanity infects mutants too. I want to say that was the purpose of Gambits suspicion when they visited Genosa. Mutants won't be starting society over from scratch. They'd be building upon what humanity has left. With all the societal rot and ingrained bigotry. If humans disappeared how long before mutants start segregating based on appearance or powers? Wealth and status? Such an out come would eventually result in conflict. A truly cataclysmic event. Humanity's saving grace is that it requires so many people in agreement to destroy the world. With mutants, it may only require one Omega level threat.
One optimistic possibility that comes to mind is the world of My Hero Academia. There the majority of people are mutants (people with quirks) and the “normal humans” or quirkless are the minority. There is still prejudice and problems, specially against people whose quirks manifest physically like Spinner and whose society can’t accommodate like Mt. Lady and Kirihito Kamachi; and the more messed up stuff like the All for One and the whole deal with Shigaraki; but it also shows that the more quirkless people are capable of integrating into society, though not without also facing prejudice. Nevertheless it shows a world were coexistence is posible, and even awesome to live in.
Eventually they do. Kinda. In the comics it's seen in several futures humans or people not born to have powers will die out. But it's also true with "white" people too. At some point it appears humans will have more melinated or browner skin. Given current evidence, but to those who are proud to be "white" however they define what that means becoming a minority or "extinct" is scary. Mutants are still humans. Europeans with skin complexions closer to olive or light brown are still Europeans. But the idea of losing to mutants or to darker skin people is scary for some folks
The problem with X-Men being an allegory for racial bigotry (eventually changed to other allegories for other groups, in less fitting ways, I'd argue in some cases) is mutants genuinely can be more dangerous. There's mutant named Nitr His power is he just BLOWS UP. ) In fact his blowing up is what really kicks off the even lt Civil War. That's terrifying. Or the mutant boy in ultimate X-Men who just naturally accidentally kills his whole town just by existing. (EDIT found out Nitro isn't a mutant in 616, only in the show wolverine and the xmen)
The problem with that is that they don't do those on purpose. They were not terrorist, just kids who had no control over their powers. But the media of course wouldn't see it that way
@@akara6798actually Nitro was totally in control of his powers, although he was a metahuman and not a mutant. Although he was juicing with some science crap and he was also just laying low until the New Warriors showed up to pick a fight for their superhero reality tv show.
@@johnsayles8032 sorry, I must have misremembered. But he wasn't a mutant and even if he was, it is still wrong to stereotype a all mutants because of what the 1% does
@@akara6798 granted, but the civil war plotline had less to do with mutants (this was all post M-Day) and more to do with the issues of a bunch of untrained yahoos in costumes taking the law into their own hands as well as the extent we allow for government control. Also superheroes punching each other.
I feel like the Augs from the Deus Ex games have the same problem. It goes a bit beyond a transhumanism/racial debate when anyone with the funds can have swords in their arms, see through walls, jump high and land from the tops of buildings unharmed, have super strength via robot arms, sprint at superhuman speeds, turn invisible, mute their footsteps, set off an explosion in a 360 degree radius around them at any given time, etc. If there were guys like Adam Jensen walking around the real world I’d be scared to ever leave my house again.
I think humanity is right to fear anyone with powers or capabilties that is psycholigically/morally dangerous or an awful person, doesnt mean everyone with powers needs to be persecuted. Just like how all humans shouldnt be persecuted just cause of the dangers of the UN and Anti-Mutant Factions
Here in the real world sure but in the comics you have to remember humanity appears to be fine with all the other powered beings (heroes, aliens, gods, demons, vampires, etc) or at least don't fear them to the same extent as mutants. The wild thing is My Hero Academia is basically the marvel universe if humans just embraced mutants.
@@ikechristyii4970The closest the universe gets to intolerance towards all metahumans (I know it’s usually a DC term for super-abled or powered beings, but it’s occasionally also used for Marvel like in Ultimate Alliance) is at the time of the Superhuman Registration Act, which was ironically incited when Nitro, a mutant criminal, blew up an urban block during a battle with superheroes. At this point, it’s more a matter of mutant intended by most writers working on them as an allegory for oppressed groups than anything else, as other metahumans have a far wider variety of stories associated to them. As for My Hero Academia, Quirks practically outnumber the Quirkless, making the later the minority group, while more powerful Quirks and Pro Heroes are either constantly battling criminals or, in cases like Endeavor, are depicted as valuing status more than much else, which still fits X-Men’s depictions of a species with random supernatural abilities and attributes populating a planet, as the strongest of the species, Omega-Level mutants like Erik or En Sabah Nur, are constantly seeking to dominate the world and in the latter’s case, he actually does in some futures, ruling as a tyrant. And even further then En Sabah Nur, there are mutants that can warp reality itself like Proteus or Legion, both of whom being insane and volatile individuals who on their own can cause massive amounts of destruction on a whim (Legion in particular being able to affect the entire universe with his powers), meaning that even a single Omega Level mutant can endanger both species.
@@callmev3531 There are people who have pointed out that the My Hero Academia world is one where things are dangerously close to fulfilling the nightmare fantasy the motivated Bolivar Trask to create the Sentinels in the first place: a world where humans are at best an underclass who do not hold the same rights as the rest of the world, one where it'd only take a few nudges to worsen that to slavery.
Exactly. I think it's disgusting that he's comparing real world racism with mutant racism in Marvel. I don't remember the last time a black man bench press 100 tons
@@ikechristyii4970 People who are different aren't entirely embraced in MHA, people with Quirks causing a radically different appearance are treated as freaks.
I think their fears are somewhat justified. I mean Magneto can pretty much by himself mess up the planet at any time he wants to. Imagine if a mass shooter had Cyclops's eye beams and could just level a city block in seconds. If a terrorist had Storm's power. That doesn't justify the actions a lot of humans take in X Men like Graydon Creed or Bolivar Trask, or Bastion etc. It doesn't mean mutants should be stripped of human rights or killed or put into camps. But this (along with them pushing the narrative that one day Mutants will out number and then replace 'normal humans) is where for me, the civil rights allegory starts to run into issues because unlike say the LGBT community or immigrants seeking asylum, there are actually legitimate reasons to be afraid of mutants. That said, not JUST mutants, but all super powered individuals though it seems to be the Mutants that get almost all of the hate and non mutants with powers get more of a pass for some reason.
The diffrence is mutants are a growing number that that are naturally growing. While other heros tend to be 1 guy getting a power or item or ect. Their is a finite amount of hulks or Captain America's even if they are genetically made due to their source of power being limited. Same with a hero like iron man or spiderman needing knowledge on a individual level or freak occurrence. But mutants occur randomly and naturally and have the numbers of growth other heros in Marvel don't have on earth. It would be like instead of 5 captin America super soldiers were made the serum spread to the water supply and just caused 10000s to mutate and then it passed on to their kids somehow.
I think the reason Mutants get so much hate compared to other characters comes down to what they are. There are plenty of freak accidents that can give someone strange powers but they are not the norm. Mutants are a naturally occuring source of potential calamity. There are just going to be more and more of them. You don't have to worry about some random asshole becoming practically a god every day. You have to worry about Mutants with the potential to cause all kinds of havoc being born constantly. Further, most Mutants can't control their powers at first, making them even more dangerous. Beyond their potential threat, they are a constant reminder that humanity is literally becoming obsolete. You lump these two ideas together in one group that people can point a finger at, that's something people can fear and hate in a way that random one off superhumans doesnt approach.
Non-mutants don't always get a pass (Spider-man and Hulk would like a word); its just that- as you said- mutants have the narrative of replacing humanity by extremists in both camps, and their powers are often more random and dangerous.
If the hatred of Mutants was based solely on caution about how dangerous a few Mutants can be would agree for the most part. Even tho most Mutants powers are not dangerous their caution not hatred caution would be justifiable. A lot of the bigotry Mutants face however are based on a different allegory that very few people seem to mention. The hatred people without mutantions have towards Mutants is very much comparable to The White Replacement theory. Where people without mutations fear that Mutants will become the majority. But what those people fail to realize is just like Master Mold said in the 92 cartoon Mutants are humans. Humans who deserve the same rights and freedom as people with without mutations.
Exactly the allegory drawn between mutants and real world minorities is only valid till the oppression part and the fact that they are born with it nd this isn't something acquired. Beyond that, it's really their abilities and potential to cause damage if not controlled that concerns humans. We don't need to fear the LGBTQ community fr any reason or potential danger. Other than perhaps the ignorance that people have that they might convert other PPL to queer also. Which is again wrong.
Spoilers for the ending: Captain America does try to plea the President to reconsider the “Magneto Protocol,” but when the President decides to move forward with it, Cap seems a bit bummed. So it’s not exactly a side with the Mutants, but a disillusionment away from humanity.
How is that a disillusionment from humanity because of one guy? That's like saying that humans should fear all mutants because of one mutant that decided it was time to persecute humans. Not all humans are bad. Like social media, the show makes it seem like the one percent humans represents all humanity 😅
One thing about X-Men in current comics and this X-Men series: They never show the average human. It's always the extremes. And you are either with or against the mutants. Also, all mutants are not benevolent by birth or because they are 'oppressed'. Sabertooth is a straight up murderer, Magneto is a monster created by horrible events that CHOOSES to be a monster, Mystique is also vicious. I can go no with other characters like Shadow King's host, Sugar Man, Apocalypse, Fabian Cortez, Empath and a few others that are absolute nightmares. People have to fear mutants in the Marvel world as much as they do mad scientists and alien invasions which happen often in that matchstick universe. This was explained in of all places Gwenpool volume one.
So the average person would still either be siding with or against the existence of a people. You either support the genocide of a people or you are against it. That’s why there are no “average people” shown going “oh I don’t know if I want jewish/black/muslim/gay people to exist or not.”
Ehhh lol i can tell you are not a minority from your response. X-men mirrors what minorities go through on a daily. Yeah they are bad mutants but they are also good ones too. It’s like me saying all white are evil and racist just case i meant a few bad apples. X men just mirrors minorities and what they deal with on the daily.
No more then a raccoon fears a human. Your just no longer top of the food chain. It isn't like humans have ever mistreated lifeform they objectively considered less then them. One could argue its karmatic
We do see normal humans, like the reporter, Roberto's mom, the majority within the church Nightcrawler was raised in, that one village with the rocket guy, and that blonde judge just off the top of my head. Thing is just that X-men makes it a point that when the majority stay silent, you only see and hear the extremes. It doesnt really matter if you are a good guy like Captain America, if you still decide to act like a bystander in face of injustice. Also, Magneto isn't plainly a monster, in fact safe for that one instance he tried to throw nukes back at a city after they were shot at him, he generally has only been attacking those that come after him throughout this series, and has even showed great restraint in 97 for the sake of bloodless negotiations with the humans. Otherwise of course not all mutants are good people either, as some of them are straight menaces to the world as a whole... But that's the thing, the X-men are supposed to be there to fight for a balance, because it's the extremes of both sides that twists the world.
The answer is incredibly simple: yeah, duh. Remember the line, "with great power comes great responsibility?" Thats the primary tenet that spider man follows. And he learned that the hard when his inaction led to his uncle dying. This is the primary core of all superhumans, the one lesson that needs be taught to them: they have to be responsible for their own gifts, and that can mean using it for good or just controlling it and learning to live with it. Mutants are the perfect way to test this. Millions of individuals developing powers that can range from a disability to straight up being god. Do you think all of them would be so quick to learn this? No. In fact, the ones who do are probably in the minority. Because power has a habit of fucking with peoples brains. Thats why xavier started the x men in the first place: to protect humans from evil mutants (straight from x men #1 by stan lee himself). But he also created the school for gifted children, to help mutants in another way. To teach them to control their powers so that they dont become a harm to themselves and any other. As for some other reasons, like how people just exclusively fear mutants and not other superhumans, its a mix of both incompetent writing trying to keep to the status quo by having mutants remain as perpetual victims, and a very real reason. Mutants are random as fuck. If we ignore mutants themselves having kids and what-not, the x gene is basically untraceable until it kicks in during puberty. So any random kid could just abruptly gain destructive powers. There are exceptions, of course, but theyre the usually the result of mutants having kids (nightcrawler and azazel). If compare mutants to inhumans, which are much more interesting imo, inhumans have a very real gene that can be traced. And their powers can only be activated by terrigen gas. Theres also just mutants that have a superiority complex, like the hellfire club, and the ones that establish hierarchies of power like that. Its inevitable, really. As for sentinels, i think theyre cool, but its kind of dumb that the US just uses them solely to put a boot down on some muties neck rather than... use them as a line of defense against alien invasions. Or super terrorist attacks. Or literally anything else. I get the whole master mold and trask and bastion and whatnot, but its still silly that no one has pointed out how useful a sentinel could be. But again, mutants wont ever really be explored in manners like this because marvel took stan lees of making marvel be a reflection of the real world as "make sure everything never changes and try to add some real world allegory to it even if it completely fucks up the story, the world and its characters." Its why i prefer DC more, it handles its world building a bit better than marvel. And it also lets its metahumans be normal people in a world of the extraordinary. Like come on, there should be psychics in the PD's, or shapeshifters making sex tapes as some celebrity, or construction sites with mutant workers minding their own business. Theres like 90 different other problems in the marvel universe, youd figure people would just get used to it.
sometime happen during the early 00's manned sentinel were used as the response team against superhuman menace and during the Kang Dinasty saga they reactivated the sentinel as support for the supers against him...unfortunely he had way to get control of them and immediately turned against earth
Xaviers lesson in episode 10 doesn't get talked about enough. The importance of self-love and self-care in the face of hatred. Magneto doesn't WANT to be right and Xavier knows this.
Your video was well edited and scripted. Up until recent years I hadn't understood why Mutants were ostracized to a greater degree than other superhumans who are more technically "unnatural" than they are. Semantics. What struck me during the finale was Bastion's statement about humanity: that they'd rather die than give birth to mutants. It both shows that Bastion acknowledges his species status, and demonstrates the self destructive loopholes some will use to act on their bigotry. That the Sentinels end up eradicating all humans in multiple timelines only underscores the point. Thanks for your work and thoughts.
Well if every other (new) mutant are written to somehow control time, space, reality, and/or the very fabric of the universe…then yeah, normies have every right to be afraid.
@@Thed538dhsk Joe Average on the street doesn't know most of those things exist. To most people, Dr. Strange is just an eccentric in a cape, his battle is invisible to the average person. They KNOW Mutants exist, they're an indisputable part of everyday life, and it's brought up constantly on the news.
Honestly this is why I like Val Cooper just being human since there’s a lot of theories of her being Mystiqu( though Mystique non-mutant sons appearance has at least pivoted it towards him instead thanks to his last scene in the OG.) Seeing the atrocities firsthand towards Mutant, knowing exactly what someone she was working with was actually plotting in the long run, and she radicalized towards not only siding with Mutants, but agreeing with Magnetos stance and supporting him.
If I remember correctly, in the very first comics, mutants were called "Homo Mutatis" by Professor X and "Homo Superior" by Magneto, who at the time had zero tragic backstory and was simply "mutant Hitler". Nowadays, "Homo Superior" is used by all mutants, including the X-Men. Even the heroic mutants sometimes act like they really are the "next stage in human evolution" and humanity really should just peacefully accept their extinction if that's what nature intends (including the ones who should know that mutants are really just Celestial lab experiments). Let's face it- if mutants were real, they would be as much a danger to each other as to the human race. Most people- human or mutant- wouldn't want to go to a school run by a pervert with telepathy, or risk being r*p*d by a shapeshifter pretending to be their love one, or have the new kid explode as soon as they hit puberty, or be swept up in a tornado because the weather goddess had a panic attack. Even anti-mutant genocides were often either triggered by a mutant doing something terrible, or outright orchestrated by a mutant who was either evil or just having a bad day. It's also really hard to see how any mutant-ruled planet wouldn't quickly become a deeply hierarchical society with humans at the bottom and "boring" mutants with mundane powers just above them, with the most powerful being some sort of ruling caste along with their families, and unsurprisingly when they do stories where mutants run the world that almost always happens. In short, mutants would probably fear mutants as much as humans do.
Most mutants don't have cool powers. The earth that has mutants also have spiderman, hulk, Thor, hydra, and The Hand running around causing chaos on a daily basis. Mutants are almost the least of people's worries. Juggernaut is literally an unstoppable demi-demon. Maybe adapt to half the BS that happens on a daily basis then deal with the Russian who can have an all steel body later?
Seriously, most mutants get like heightened senses or reflexes AT BEST. A guy who can dick with the Earth's magnetic poles and control the iron in your blood is every bit as much a threat to "guy who can jump pretty high" as he is to random normies...
We have literally seen regular people in the marvel universe become the greatest threats to society without being mutants the hulks originally just a a scientist with mental health problems should the marvel universe then get rid of mentally unwell people under the risk of them becoming supervillains or capable of destroying the world
@@robertmaldonado1845and then, of course, you wonder when does that end? Would you kill the autistic man with DID because he’s legion or would you actually make sure he gets actual help?
@@christopherbennett5858 Obviously the second choice but unfortunately the USA destroyed its Asylum system due to the neoliberalism, libertarian, and conservative policies which ended patients being let go and fend in the streets, eventually becoming the homeless transients and vagrants.
5:10 what’s always so wild to me about them separating mutants and humans on biological levels is that biological majority of the mutants we see ARE humans. They have human DNA just with a bit of extra ✨ spice ✨ they’re born from humans, they inherit the necessary genes to become mutants from humans, etc
I think the finale still supports your thesis in 3 ways 1. Even after prime sentinels attack kelly, the xmen disable their kill kode, Kelly-the us president desoite urged by king T'chaka and Captain America still shoots at asteroid M. The magneto emp was disabled, the power is back on. And the president still tries, tho fails, to exterminate magneto. Xavier told kelly to trust him to turn the lightd back on, kelly sees xavier and xmen succeeded, some humans tell kelly not to, and after thinking it through kelly still chooses fear and hate and revenge. This shows how even allies of mutants like kelly can give in to fear and hate. As you say its ever present. 2. The news cast at the end of the ep parallels ep 1. 6 months since xavier was thought to have died and tolerance of mutants seems to have been presented as occuring. Same with 6 months after xmen stopped asteroid m from falling to earth. But just like ep 1 with friends of humanity capturing Roberto during the newscast in ep 1 celebrating tolerance, last ep says humanity celebrates the xmen sacrifice but Graydon Creed is rising in the polls for US president. He is a human born to a mutant with mutant half and step siblings who fears his heritage and resents mutanta. Also hes the leader of the anti mutant hate group Friends of Humanity who kidnapped Roberto in ep 1. Its ever present. 2 steps forward 1 step back. 3. Bastion says humanity would rather die than have kids like mutants. And then kelly did try to explode asteroid m. Again the fear and hate is ever present. But there is hope that with all these situations the mutants and xmen can over come hate and fear if diligent and united. They save earth from asteroid m, they could influence elections by being diligent and help campaign for allies, and work with allies to remain an ally like xavier neededing to constantly keep communication with kelly. Leave their ally too long with no communication and that ally can turn on mutants if they are diligent. Like roe vs wade after decades of being standard being overturned despite justices saying they wouldn't overturn it. Not being diligent enough to codify or officially make it into law and see how eventually hate and fear can overturn what was thought to be settled
@@dragonstormx #2, Graydon Creed did have unapologetically abusive and mutant supremacist parents like Mystique and Sabertooth who abandoned him as an innocent child just for being human and intently made him as a lonely child feel lesser than, it was because of that abandonment and the reason behind the abandonment he turned into a cold hearted bigot. graydon wouldnt have been a mutant hater otherwise if he didnf have accidents as parents who burdened a child for being human. His lashing out at the mutant race isnt excused but his unapologetic parents deserve to answer for what they did as its their faultWhile Graydon Creed is irredeemable, Mystique and Sabertooth should be blamed more as they unapologetically traumatized a child they gave birth to and are more sadistic and dangerous than their own son, not forgiven and given amnesty on Krakoa (at least Mystique) just cause they are representation and fight for mutant kind.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 That has nothing to do with what I said. I just brought up that I think the Graydon Creed mentioned at the end of X-Men 97's first season is really Apocalypse. ruclips.net/video/BEVGcaV8jTY/видео.html When we last saw Creed in the original X-Men animated series, his own organization decided he was a liability, and his failure to kill his mutant blood relatives, they tied up Creed and parachuted him to the home of Sabertooth. I don't see how Creed could have escaped. But since Creed's death wouldn't be widely known, I believe Apocalypse has stolen his identity.
@@dragonstormx that was meant for OP, but for as to why he could be alive, Sabertooth did spare Graydon Creed in the comics and found compassion his own son for being as twisted/cruel as him. And I thought honestly the executioner in first episode was graydon cause of the scratches on his face when he was unmasked
The answer is blatantly yes. However marvel is plagued by bad writing at the moment, and can only write extremist views for either side, which just makes the problem worse. Also there is a clear differenct between rational fear and bigotry. Bigotry is just hating mutants because they are mutants. rational fear is being afraid of the girl who can make hurricanes and tornados with a thought or the guy who can shape reality however he wishes. No one wants to be around someone who is basically a walking Nuke. One small mistake, or burst of anger, and the death toll is countless. Humanity should fear mutants, as much as any other threat. But, they should not blindly hate them either, as this is equally senseless. One's actions should speak for themselves. Heroic Mutants should be treated as Heroes, not monsters, while the villainous ones absolutely deserve to be villified by their actions. And should one change sides, it should be judged accordingly, not dragged by who they aren't anymore. Yes, Humanity has every right to fear mutants, but no humanity does not have a right to mindless hate for hate's sake.
Both Cap & X-Men fans frequently misunderstand the role Cap & the Avengers serve in X-Men stories. They're the upright, traditional superheroes with UN contacts, ordered meetings and lunchboxes; They're The Man where as the X-Men are the cool sexy rebels who fuck. In an X-Men story the Avengers cannot side with the X-Men but in an Avengers story they can. I know everyone wants their blorbos to be happy shiny best friends and always do the morally right thing but that is not how these stories function. They are not people, they are story devices.
@@FantasticFour03-xu3lgsome do some don't. Like I can see Bruce banner trying to make a cure for himself and to depower mutants because from his pov he sees his abilities as a curse and might feel for many mutants they too have a curse. Characters like Steve Rogers should be The Man and try to be an ally but must follow the government. He can't always be nomad. But he shouldn't be racist to mutants, that's out of character. Thor should see mutants like nightcrawler as a demon to defeat in battle as seen in an Asgardian prophecy. It should depend on the character motivations rather than a simplistic, avengers all are "The Man" and X-Men/mutants are all rebels. 100% magneto and the avengers should have beef because the avengers are tasked with fighting magneto w/o trying to reason with him like Xavier does. But reed Richards and beast should be science bros. It depends on the character and their motivations/characterizations
@@FantasticFour03-xu3lg Idk if I was Carol Danvers I would take down Sentinels and FOH and whatever, but wouldnt team up with the X-men or mutants ever willingly as they seem too forgiving to mutant supremacists like Mystique
So it's kinda like how fights between Hulk and the Avengers are portrayed depending on which book you're reading? In the Avengers book, Hulk is an out of control monster they have to take down, and in the Hulk book, the Avengers are misunderstanding the situation and are getting in the way of Hulk stopping the real villain. Something like that?
26:36 that is a problem with the way Marvel and in general superhero comics operate. The Xmen can't save the day on an Avengers comic and the Avengers can't save the day on a Xmen comic. They are characters that deserve their spotlight to take main stage in their own works. But that, due to the nature of the Xmen civil rights theme, has the unintended side-effect of making the Avengers seem like bigots that side with the racist humans than with their mutant friends.
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@@henreymichelson Exactly, and there's so many other forces that lay claim or want to claim earth but humanity still dumps resources into potentially killing the mutants.....a group who can help protect them.
@henreymichelson to be fair there's is a lot of effort put in stopping those threats. some of these groups and teams government funded. those shiled hellacarties arent cheap. it just xmen sometimes the xmens feels like there own separate realiry
Exactly! But technically speaking...Thanos is a mutant as well. In a sense. So it's kinda of murky. Work with me now... ::puts on lab coat:: In the comics - Millions of years ago The Celestials came to Earth and conducted DNA experiments on early species of mankind. They created whats known as the Eternals (Homo-immortalis), the Deviants (Homo-Descendus), and only altered Early Man (Homo-Erectus) who later continues to evolve into Modern Man (Homo-Sapien) and a branch humanity evolves into Mutants (Homo-Superior) who have whats known as a X-gene which gives them their abilities. . So, i present to you this observation. Thanos is an Eternal, born with the Deviant gene. Mutants are Human's born with an X-gene. Mutants are the next evolution of Humans. Thanos is a Mutant Eternal. Sentinels should/would attack Thanos. This has been my T.E.D talk, thank you for coming.
I understand the metaphor but in the world of marvel I do think it’s somewhat justified. One of my favourite x men comics follows wolverine and he’s talking with a kid in a cave and offering him his first beer. It turns out this kid had unlocked his mutant abilities earlier that day. By accident and without any intention he had wiped out his entire town, his friends, family, everyone. It turns out wolverine, partly because of his healing factor but also because he’s one who can do what needs to be done, has been set by the x men to kill this young boy. He says that this has the opportunity to incite major mutant prejudice if the public found out.The boy is broken with grief and fear yet wolverine makes his best attempts to comfort him. The comic ends with wolverine exiting the cave. This comic shows some justification for humanity, im against the ruthless extremes they use obviously, but there’s a reason nukes have so many failsafes and protocols. Yes the boy was victim 100% but so was that entire town(265 people).This comic is my favourite as it was the first time I could understand why the humans do what they do. Btw just to be clear this is only in regards to the marvel verse and actual mutants, im obviously against the irl stuff. This was ultimate x men #41
I completely agree with your take. I haven't read the comics so please educate me if necessary. I think there is a fundamental flaw in the X gene lore which is responsible for this. How much has it been explored in the comics. Bcoz the logical endgame fr the mutants and non mutants would be to essentially figure out this mystery. The example of the boy u gave, he was unfortunately a walking time bomb. Who would unintentionally prove to be destructive fr others. This is where the X gene becomes slightly odd and takes too much fantastical liberty. It can literally grant u any kind of powers ranging from shape shifting to controlling weather to growing claws And what not? There's never really any clarity given as to whether this is a boon or a curse.
@@funkysam1345 It's a boon for some and a curse for others, and an eccentricity for many. In the Ultimate universe (where the "Wolverine kills a dangerous kid" story is from, it turns out that mutants were a government experiment run amok, maybe or not derived from the corpse of Apocalypse. In the regular Marvel universe, mutants are a science experiment created by aliens called the Celestials, whose motivations vary depending on the writer- the X-Men and most mutants don't actually care what the Celestials intended though and want to do their own thing.
I disagree. In the marvel universe every human should befriending mutants and loving them since most aren't violent and people who aren't mutants like Bullseye, Vulture, Crimson Dynamo etc cause chaos on a daily basis. In the marvel universe NYC should be an unlivable city plauged on a daily basis by vampires, aliens, inter dimensional creatures, super villains, experiments gone wrong, etc. evil mutants seem like a low priority when people like juggernaut are powered by a literal demon. The marvel universe has to deal with Mephisto, Dr doom, juggernaut, electro etc on like a daily basis and they're worried about being bigoted to a guy who can jump high and has a long tongue like Toad? Or like blob? They are the least of the worries when Galactus frequently threatens to eat earth
The problem is that a minority doesn’t need to be completely harmless or in capable of fighting back to deserve respect, dignity, and the rights others use so easily. Just because a group is capable of harm or self defense does not justify their oppression by those in power.
@@Thed538dhsk my main point was though that due to the mutations being random and uncontrollable it doesn’t matter wether the mutant is violent or not because they may just have or develop a power that is inherently deadly, like the mutant boy I mentioned, he didn’t decide to kill everyone he knew it just happened, and that’s the main difference in contrast to super villains, at any moment any one could just randomly have their mutation activated and literally kill all life in a mile radius or worse, there’s no predicting or stopping it and if anything it seems like the x gene and subsequent mutations are just growing even more powerful through the generations, as in literally rewriting reality and universal concepts powerful
Humans are absolutely right to fear Mutants. It’s just two examples, but Charles Xavier can get into anyone on Earth’s minds and make them think, do, or say whatever he wants. Magneto can end all life on Earth whenever he feels like it with one trip to Earth’s poles. Mutants are not inherently more noble than Humans - we both are capable of great good and great evil. The difference is how quickly it can happen if one Mutant felt like it. Superman is goodness personified. But Batman’s point in BvS was what if he decided not to be? We saw what his people could do and how powerless we were to stop it.
I think some sense they are because it’s putting immense power in the hands of people simply at random. While there are other superhumans in marvel they are anomalies. With mutants, it’s a species of superhumans and considering just how messed up the world is with regular people, a future in which most people in the planet have superpowers is rightfully pretty terrifying.
The problem is that a minority doesn’t need to be completely harmless or in capable of fighting back to deserve respect, dignity, and the rights others use so easily. Just because a group is capable of harm or self defense does not justify their oppression by those in power.
@@Thed538dhsk The issue is that the majority of mutants are not superpowered beings. X-Men and Magneto are outliers. The majority of mutants are harmless like Jazz whose mutant power is just blue skin or Ugly John whose power is just having three faces. So evn if 'everybody' is a mutant there will still be obvious clear power imbalance because mutant powers range from just having blue skin to becoming a reality-warping god.
@@fbiuzz So you and I agree the problem isn't that all mutants are dangerous but which individual mutant with clear power scaling is the problem or dangerous.
Well, you could say Spider-Man or Daredevil's origins were just as random of an occurrence as a person born with a genetic mutation. All are the result of happenstance out of the individual's control.
17:52 There absolutely is a good answer. A kid can turn out to be a mutant and blow up a city block on accident I also disagree with the framing of certain X-Men films like the original or Days of Future Past as being ultimately about "putting the best face forward so humanity will accept mutants." The X-Men aren't trying to stop Magneto because they think he will make mutants look bad; they're trying to stop Magneto because he is trying to go to war with humanity. Certain humans like Stryker, Trask, Geyrich, etc. want to go to war with mutants and Magneto thinks that mutants must go to war with humanity. The X-Men want there to be peace between the two. This is a small difference from "putting the best face forward so humanity will accept mutants," but it is nevertheless an important difference I hate to defend Tucker Carlson, as I am far from a fan of his, but in the clips shown in the video, he is very specifically not talking about minorities replacing white people. He is talking about voter replacement, which is not the same thing as White Replacement. I don't agree with him on this either, but the difference is important 23:20 An important point here is that humanity is NOT united. In X-Men 97, many humans do not hate humanity. This was actually brought up earlier in the video with the discussion of apathy, but some humans are even expressly pro-mutant. This is the core fallacy of Magneto's worldview, which is exactly the same as one of the human villains: grouping together "humanity" or grouping together "mutantkind." When Apocalypse kills a bunch of humans, it wasn't "mutantkind" that did it -- it was Apocalypse. When Bastion's sentinels kill a bunch of mutants, it wasn't "humanity" that did it -- it was Bastion. This persists throughout the video, such as with the discussion of the Prime Sentinels. Calling the Prime Sentinels "humanity" is fundamentally flawed because these people are explicitly a minority of bigots (Bastion even notes that since public opinion is pro-mutant, anti-mutants use anonymous chatrooms). Similarly, in the real world, there was not a "white people" that hated black people or "straight people" that hates LGBTQ people. None of these groups are united Ultimately, this video ignores the fact that mutants are not a perfect analogy for real-world minorities, precisely because they have fantastic powers. It's ridiculous to be scared of gay people, but being scared of guys who can explode randomly is much more reasonable. It's much more understandable that someone is going to take your job when they have abilities that make them better at it than you ever could be. I'm not saying anti-mutant bigotry is good, but it is very different from real-world bigotry Overall, I really liked the video! Love the channel
In a certain point of view, humanity concern with mutants is a bit understanble. Not only there are mutants who abuse their power and threatened the world in many occasions (Magneto and Apocalypse) but, if mutants became part of society, their powers could give them an advantage in daily activites. For exemple: Why would a construction company hire humans if they can now have a mutant who can build anything with his mind? How a soccer win a game when the opponents have a mutant on their side? How are people going to survive, to have jobs, when mutants are basically better than them in everthing? Natural some people would become jealous and worried to become obsolete in this new world. The problem when these people, like the X-men villains, decide the best solution for this dillema is to use extreme methods, trying to erradicate the ones they are afraid/jealous rather than find solutions that benefit both sides. As Xavier said to the Shiar "For one to be more the other must be less". Everthing becomes a competition to see who gets to be at top of the other rather finding solution that allows both to survive.
@alexandrefrauches132 I know X-Men Grand Design changed some things, but in that series it made it look like humans feared Mutants cause of Namor killing a bunch of people, and just associated him being a mutant as an excuse for bigotry
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I thought you were saying that there were some stories that Namor wasn't mutant and was only given the title as mutant as an excuse to hate on other mutants
Days of future past deals with humans as enemy, its just also about finding the hope to be able to change that direction, and save mystique, also how it takes magneto, like he went a bit to far, but i would argue magneto scaring the politicians there, was important to at least halt the program , by turning centimaly there, and professor x, to change that outcome. Action and moderation, not infight,
I also feel people are more accepting in the marvel universe and IRL of technological progress. An aspect in X-Men 97 i feel wasn't really hammered home but alluded to. Steve Rogers is a technological advancement. Like steroids irl or a form of gene therapy or a pharmaceutical advancement. You too can be like steve Rogers once the serum is brought safely to market but it still has a few issues before its safe for you the public. In 2012's The Avengers tony says everything special about steve came out of a bottle. Tony has a prosthetic like how irl a veteran might have a prosthetic leg. The iron man suit is a technological advancement and one day you too, if you become a wealthy billionaire by strapping yourself by the bootstraps can get an iron man suit. Mutants like jubilee who is not seen as a threatening person like magneto or even roberto who barely all season even showed his powerset are BORN with their gifts. Average joe will never be able to be born with ability to shoot fireworks from his hands. Leech is born how he is. FOH can't be born with Leech's appearance. It signifies that humans as earths apex predator or dominant species maybe giving birth to humans that surpass current ones in power today. In the show bastion mentions neanderthals going extikct to modern humans. In the first ep the news has a segment on if mutants are the next step in himan evolution. The idea of being born inferior. Cant just use $ or get a prescription to become a mutant. Either you're born as is or not. Either as gyrich says you're born "in vogue" or you're born like average joe. Thats why the hunans wre willing to have prime sentinel tech to feel like they too have an inate identity besides being average joe
That's an interesting take also. It's a multi layer problem. Look at AI. Humans are also pretty adamant on advancing ai. We want to create artificial life which perhaps surpasses our capabilities. A sentient form of life which is more capable than us. And we fear that too.
But I guess in both cases we either essentially look to income new technology into ourselves and evolve us or essentially ensure that our future generations will be born perfect. Which is where I think the mutant and x gene lore kinda fumbles. Like I think we need to re imagine the mythology. As far as I heard, the celestials put this gene in humans. But what was the reason? Evolution or merely just an experiment. Coz the gene doesn't give all mutants an advantage. It completely deforms some bodies due to which they become socially unacceptable and become outcasts. They have no powers. In fact it makes them crippled. Exploring it from a science fiction perspective, it's also odd how a single x gene can bring about such diverse range of abilities in humans. One can teleport, one can grow claws,etc.
@@funkysam1345 so True. But we also have cloning and GMO's. The public especially in the US appear okay with advancing AI like Siri or chat gpt accepted. But clones and genetically modifying humans is feared as going too far. But both are in a way artificially made life. But the public feels AI progressing I guess is likely to still serves us whereas clones might overthrow us
@@funkysam1345 that's in the comics. In the OG 90's show and X-Men 97 as an almost updated season 6 of that OG show, it's just random genetics. Maybe next season with us seeing the first mutant En Sabah Nur or apocalypse we might get answers on origin of mutants
Although, unfortunately, that line of logic does have a pair of flop shaped holes; Fenris. Literally, they were given the Xgene in utero by Hydra because their dad is Baron von Strucker. Although, if they became prominent, people would think that the xgene turned you into a Flop version of the Lannisters lol.
To be honest, I think that kind of fear towards mutants would be reasonable if not for a few reasons: 1. The potential for destruction between one mutant and another can vary so massively that this should really be treated on a case by case basis. Someone like Storm or Magneto could potentially end all life on earth if they felt like it, whereas someone like Wolverine is ultimately no more dangerous than a guy armed with a bunch of knives. 2. There are tons of other metahumans who are just as powerful if not even more so than omega level mutants. What is realistically the difference between someone like the Fantastic Four and the X-Men? Or between someone like Spider-Man/Captain America and Wolverine? We know that one got their powers by birth and the other got them later in life through some kind of accident of science, but functionally there is no difference. They're both far more powerful than the average person. And yet only one is persecuted.
If I was a normal person in X-men I would be way more scared of the sentinels than I would be of mutants. Imagine your in a shopping mall and a giant f@cking robot comes crashing through the ceiling and starts destroying the place chasing after one guy because he can glow in the dark or something.
In the first X Men movie, Senator Kelly asks one of his critics "you support gun control, do you not?" And then compares his Mutant Registration Act to gun control. And while Kelly himself is very much a bigot, as shown in his next scene when the cameras are off, I mean, he's kinda got a point there. All it takes is one mutant child losing control of their powers in a public place and even the most progressive parent would have concerns about their children going to school with said mutant. You actually see this in the X Men movies, where Scott loses his glasses and accidently fires off a blast of his Murder Vision. To my knowledge, neither gay people nor black people can pose such an existential threat to normies. This doesn't justify bigotry, but it does muck up the allegory.
It doesn’t have to be a perfect allegory, when the fear of minorities is manifest when every gay man in the 80s is seen as a carrier of a deadly disease, or every black male youth is seen as a gun toting gangster ready to pop off at a moments notice, or every person of middle eastern descent is seen as a terrorist. The fear of the other dehumanizes not just the other but also the self. And that fear also destroys the rational mind. Mutants born with uncontrollable destructive abilities have no clear analogue in human rights struggles, but that’s part of the superhero sci fi nature of the story, and an avenue to explore other aspects of humanity. Omega-level mutants such as Magneto, Jean, Storm and Xavier are like living H-bombs, and that situation is not something that will ever map to real world struggles with human rights but it can help illustrate the modern world’s struggle with powerful technology and geopolitical realities, as an example.
The problem is that a minority doesn’t need to be completely harmless or in capable of fighting back to deserve respect, dignity, and the rights others use so easily. Just because a group is capable of harm or self defense does not justify their oppression by those in power.
Not really? When you consider the fact that in the 1st X-Men film the government knows of Xavier they let him visit magneto and runs a school for mutants. They should clearly be working with Xavier on dealing with mutants like w government bureaucracy. And in the comics when hulk, Dr strange, and spiderman are battling monsters, demons, and super villains like everyday, mutants should be humankind's greatest gift to defend against all the craziness that happens on a daily basis. That's why I like X-Factor/X-Force/Alpha Flight. Mutants who work for the give to deal with hostile mutants. Xavier should be part of the presidential cabinet.
New mutants was a terrible move, but Anya Taylor was amazing as Magic she did such good job it sent me down a Magic rabbit hole and she’s one my favorite X-now so it’s worth watching just Anya Taylor killing it
Magik is really fun. In all honesty, I breathed a sigh of relief when Dani and Wolfsbane kissed. Mostly because I read academy X and I’d rather Wolfsbane just be the Calvinist lesbian we all wanted.
We should have had an X men film where the X men battle Mister Sinister to prevent him from conducting the experiments that led to the mutant extinction that happened in Logan. It would basically be a "good ending" to contrast Logan.
I feel like that was the plan for the next prequel trilogy after Dark Phoenix, but because of the Disney buyout, those movies were scrapped. Maybe once the MCU soft reboots, we could see that film.
Something thats been in the comics but not so much in any adaptation is including class into the equation. One of the elements that leads into the Days of Futures Past timeline is the Hellfire Club not only restarting the sentinel program by providing funding to Stephen Lang's mark 3 project but Sebastian Shaw bringing it to Senator Kelly's attention during the Dark Phoenix saga. All because Shaw, Emma and the rest of the club wanted the X-Men to stop interfering in their operations so they could keep their status as mutants a secret, influencing politicians and other buisness owners. Granted, Kelly's assassination by Mystique is stopped but thanks to the Hellfire Club, the sentinel program was restarted
It’s weird to see you talk about how the villain of The Wolverine is allegory for racist fetishization when looking at how the movie as a whole treats Japan and the Japanese characters. Then again, I guess that’s typical for X-Men.
Yeah… Claremont’s orientalism was messy back in the day. And then it led to a weird stereotype that every East Asian character’s family was associated with crime.
But I guess in both cases we either essentially look to income new technology into ourselves and evolve us or essentially ensure that our future generations will be born perfect. Which is where I think the mutant and x gene lore kinda fumbles. Like I think we need to re imagine the mythology. As far as I heard, the celestials put this gene in humans. But what was the reason? Evolution or merely just an experiment. Coz the gene doesn't give all mutants an advantage. It completely deforms some bodies due to which they become socially unacceptable and become outcasts. They have no powers. In fact it makes them crippled. Exploring it from a science fiction perspective, it's also odd how a single x gene can bring about such diverse range of abilities in humans. One can teleport, one can grow claws,etc.
The answer is a definite yes; most people don’t remember that it was the Hellfire Club, a shadowy group of mutants who sway governments to their own needs, that planted the idea of the Mutant Registration into Kelly’s mind within the comics. It only gets worse when he realizes what’s happened to him and his family, causing him to become more fervent in his actions. I’m not sure if this was retconned or merely forgotten about over the years and many writers, but the fact Magneto and Charles both worked members of the Club (Mastermind and Emma Frost respectively) would immediately put me on red alert in anybody’s shoes..
To answer the question, yes. Heck I could explain why with two examples that are from non-mutants(or human mutates as some call); •The Incredible Hulk, for obvious reasons especially considering the other heroes couldn’t deal with him(especially in the future with Maestro), but it’s important to note General Ross did consider sitting down with Hulk and resolving their differences until someone got trigger happy. •Spider-Man, most notably the revamp in 1996 of Amazing Fantasy issue 18, where the villain of the story goes over his frustrations with the super-powered beings like Ant-Man, Thor, Fantastic Four, etc and how some idolize them, none of the examples or imagery had a single mutant. Simply put, Mutants are too unpredictable especially when they themselves don't even know they're mutants yet. They're obviously not at fault for just existing but a generalised fear of their power is completely valid. I believe there was even a story in the ultimate comics where a mutant kid had the power to kill everything around him, but the catch, he notices when it’s too late.
But with that kid...why not just let leech drain his powers? Instead of having leech live in the sewers. Or give the kid an OPTIONAL inhibitor watch. Mutants in the marvel universe really aren't that big of a threat. With how Xavier has a task force/militia that defends people against hostile mutants and the gov has X-Factor/X-Force working for them mutants as viliians shouldn't even really exist outside some mutants like apocalypse. Most mutants powers also such and aren't cool. The X-Men have cool powers but a mutant like blob...not exactly a huge threat to the public. Just get him a job like presidential sous chef and have him work with Xavier to handle his anger issues and he's not a threat unlike someone like electro or rhino or Loki etc
@@Thed538dhskThat seems to be the case, the X-men specifically aren’t the problem with the mutants unless it’s arguably the Telepaths like Jean or Xavier that seem to cause tensions. Then there’s current Beast-where he became a mutant Henry Kissinger and modified the legacy virus to be used against the Skrulls and screwed with the time stream to bring younger version of the original X-men-yikes, and I thought him being buds with Wonder Man was enough not to make McCoy go to such extremes.
@@Thed538dhsk Leech doesn't exist in the Ultimate comics. Ultimate X-Men was meant to show the "hard choices" the main series had allegedly shied away from, hence sending Wolverine to kill him.
What i find most interesting about the human / mutant debate is it tackles two political issues in tandem. Making an actual decision messy to truly take. One is civil rights. They are flesh and blood people, and need to be allowed to live as such. However, they all have powers and many have ones thst could potentially harm themsevles and anyone around them. This echoes a lot of the Americna gun debates. Ie, do we register and regulste guns to protect people from the harm they do. Looking at it from the lens of gun debates dehumanizes the mutants, BUT it brings public safety to the forefront of the discussion. Mutants like Magneto are capable of planet level destruction. Human rights or not, people need to know theyre safe with someone like that running around. Or the guy with optic blasts. Or knife hands. Or who cam generate diseases. Not all mutants are bad. And ones eith dangerous powers can control them. But they need the education and training to do so. Training which would need to be regulated and given safety standards. Exploring it as a combination of these two issues makes the debate more difficult. Imagine if civil rights wasnt just debating the freedoms of a black or gay person. But also they had a nuke in their chest at all times. Suddenly there are more layers and realistic fears to consider in the debate. The human antagonists of xmen are psychos and idiots who arent willing to discuss this debate like adults. But i cant ignore where these fears come from. Even if its something they arent willing to work out themsevles. Because they come from a real place the comics give many examples of why these concerns are quite valid.
Humans can't be allowed to be justified in fearing mutants because that would mean IRL humans would be right to fear the various minority groups that mutants are supposedly meant to be metaphors for. This creates a paradox wherein now the humans must be written to be stupidly prejudiced which makes it not believable to readers.
i dont really like that cap does nothing I always preferred the versions of him where magnito genuinely respects and straight up cares for him because he's not the guy who stands on the sidelines like xmen evolution. this is the guy that straight up goes rogue (not that kind of rogue) from the us and becomes the nomad.
I mean power escalation makes the argument of the human fear bad kinda convoluted when you have guys like Magneto who can shift Earth's magnetic field and kill everything on the planet if he wants to... And he isn't even the most powerful mutant. So fearing spontaneous popping out of omega mutants and creating havoc isn't irrational. it's a logical self-preservation tactic.
The New Mutants was actually not bad, not great...but heads AND freaking tails above Dark Phoenix (I watched it a few months ago for the 1st time & I STILL don't know wtf it was about.) New Mutants is worth a free watch, at least. Lol
I'm late to the party but there's one thing. A whole bunch of civilians died in this finale right. Every sentinel who was more than a couple feet off ground or over water. As well as anyone who needed electricity-based life support, right. Because apparently everything eletromagnetic is affected unless there's that adaption Storm's boyfriend made for his protesis.
@@navarog378Maybe the best course of action is to *not* oppress and try to take away the rights from people with these powers and be surprised when they lash out.
@@thelgiver5844 A much safer method would be actually using those power-cancelling collars on people who can disable Earth's magnetosphere in an instant and treating much less threatening mutants as if they were in possession of firearms, so also putting collars on them until they get a licence allowing them to use those powers. Without their amazing abilities they are just standard humans, so this is in no way abusive. Also people with guns instead of arms aren't as threatening as those who can shoot thermonuclear warheads out of the palms of their hands, so there should be grading to this system. It's just a terrible racism metaphor. Actually, the X-men story could be used by racists as an argument for racism, which is by itself completely illogical and counterproductive, but in this case segregating and controlling the mutants with power-cancelling collars wouldn't hurt anyone and save millions of lives.
My biggest thought as you alluded was that the latest X-Men season was incredibly up to date with common issues amongst bigotry and war. It was so well made that it updated my thoughts toward how I felt of the xmen cartoons of my early teens and probably helped open my mind to how to feel about people different to me. 5 stars on the cartoon and great analysis man.
That's an interesting take also. It's a multi layer problem. Look at AI. Humans are also pretty adamant on advancing ai. We want to create artificial life which perhaps surpasses our capabilities. A sentient form of life which is more capable than us. And we fear that too.
They did. The Superhero Registration Act was named after the Mutant Registration Act, which led directly into the Days of Future Past story (and was one of the reasons it was hard to take the Pro-SRA faction seriously- they might as well have named it the Jim Crow Act). The MRA is decades older.
Like everyone else is saying, there was. In the late ‘80s, when the X-Men were living in the Outback, X-Factor was dealing with the government passing a Mutant Registration Act.
5:31, In some ways, it almost goes to far in depicting practicality every human that isn’t Cooper (who mind you, unleashed Erik and allowed him to nearly destroy the planet after his own bigotry towards humanity was reinvigorated by the Genosha Massacre instead of hunting Bastion specifically, 23:07, making yet another adaptation to have Erik revert to being a villain and causing destruction he will then be forgiven for like X-Men: Apocalypse) as antagonist without any regard to their position of being non-powered beings in a world of increasingly prevalent powered beings of varying origins and moral integrity. The allegories of oppression and discrimination are still worth exploring, 12:30, such as the meta-textual context of individuals unwilling to sympathize or engage with minority struggles. but even with this adaptation, there is a missing element of nuance from the perspective of humans as it delves more into their hatred of mutantkind than their fear of mutantkind, such as in works like The Boys or Invincible for instance where regular humans are justified in distrusting supers because their abilities and status tend to make some of dismissive of the concerns, or in some cases, wellbeing of normal beings (not unlike Erik and the Hellfire Club in X-Men 97’ and their treatment of Cooper). It should also be noted that in the comics, the X-Gene isn’t a naturally occurring phenomenon and was created by the Celestials along with humanity. They are not the “next stage of human evolution”, just a side effect of cosmic beings experimenting with the power to create life. 17:37, Meanwhile, other supers and powered beings, particularly artificial ones like Steve, aren’t considered a “species” and don’t often manifest within the general populace with random supernatural attributes and abilities to the same degree mutants do, which beyond the meta-textual aspect of mutants specifically being written to reflect oppressed groups in reality, is more logical in-universe reason behind the species being targeted. Both mutants and humans are incorrect in regarding mutantkind as replacing humanity through evolution, though individuals like Erik or Trask are correct in assuming conflict between the species is likely inevitable as their many differences simply make coexistence incompatible with their individual natures and perspectives, individuals like Erik in particular due to his occasional god complex, 10:58, while individuals like Essex and Yashida “fetishized” the X-Gene as a means to gain power. And with Season 2’s reintroduction of En Sabah Nur (who in the comics was tasked by the Celestials to monitor the development of life on the planet, which fed into his own god complex), the question of what happens when mutants successfully dominate the planet (depending on what future timeline is in place) is presented, specifically if they will truly have a utopian society where all beings are treated as equals or if beings like Erik or En Sabah Nur will rise up like gods, treating the world and its inhabitants as playthings for them to exploit and discard at their leisure. After all, “mutants are humans”, they’re people, just as virtuous or flawed as any sapient being, and not all mutants are created equal, meaning some are objectively superior to others in terms of abilities and may very well lack the same moral integrity as their neighbor. If Erik can drain the planet of its electromagnetism out of spite, then imagine what an even stronger and even less stable individual would do with that kind of power. 36:00, From this perspective, there will likely always be conflict between not only mutants and humans due to how each species consistently possesses a physical and existential threat to the other, but also mutants and other mutants over who is the most powerful, most deserving, as Erik’s musings of humans competing over superiority, even including who is the “best victim”, doesn’t exclude mutants from the conversation as again, “mutants are humans”. Hopefully, the show bothers to ask more nuanced questions while putting out engaging stories with engaging characters, 31:35, as it’s overall take on the fluctuation of social progress was fairly well developed. I’m personally excited to see En Sabah Nur’s past to see if how comic book history will be adapted, as well as if the Onslaught theories will be confirmed.
I've been thinking for a while that while you shouldn't be hateful to every mutant you meet on the street, mutants as a whole should be feared. They have the collective ability to conquer or destroy humanity or even destroy the planet. It is completely reasonable to fear and want to control that. The Brotherhood confirms this with every action they take
Basically stay vigilant, it is easy for hatred to fester. Do not let it divide us because we are stronger together, the path to acceptance is a long and difficult one but there is hope, some may never accept us but some will and that is why you keep fighting, even if the world fights harder against you because change is possible
And then, after you've won your fight, and you're accepted, another "J" incident occurs, except this time it's in New-York rather than some tiny town, and instead of 250 casualties, it's millions. What then, genius?
I was hoping the video would actually be about the question instead of the real-life allegory. Obviously there are no legitimate reasons to be scared of immigrants and gay people, but they don't shoot lasers from their eyes or disable all of Earth's electricity. That's what makes the question actually interesting and it could serve as a valuable criticism of X-Men's civil rights allegory.
See that’s the thing. If everyone born in a certain country had the ability to turn their hands into guns it wouldn’t be a wild idea that keeping an eye on them would be beneficial
The movies SUCKED at addressing the issue. My favorite X-Men is Deadpool because.... well..... the writers can't write about bigotry without it being full of unfortunate implications so fuck it.
I'd be curious to hear your opinion on the Krakoa era in the comics. I myself am struggling to completely organize my thoughts on it. The concept is an interesting one but I feel like it was meant to be a satire that people started taking very seriously along the way.
Your "Mechanics of Hatred" diatribe deserves a solitary video unto it's own. You nailed it. It encompasses everything that is important to lift the blinders off those who refuse to allow it.
@@EricDillingham totally. The unchallenged become complacent. Complacency eventually gives way to hubris of one kind or another. Our species tends to harbor this delusion that we're WAY cooler than we actually are. As individuals and as a whole.
You summed up America quite well: I’m an American, born and raised. I volunteered to fight for my country, but I’ve grown to realize that the America I was raised to believe in is a fiction.
Yes, humans should definitely fear mutants, because of their powers, and how some of those powers easily are used for evil: Shapeshifting. Power Mimicry. Mind Control. If I lived in the Marvel Universe, I'd never sleep for paranoia that my loved ones weren't real, for a neferious purpose outside my purview. Or that at any moment, my home would be completely destroyed as something as background-filling as collateral damage.
Like the best lies, the bigotry in X-men has a kernel of truth at the center. A certain number of these powers can be genuinely dangerous, and just hoping and praying that the wielding them are virtuous or able to control themselves is a terrible idea. Of course, the bigotry and hatred seen in the series isn’t the answer; mutants have an incredible capacity for good that should be nurtured, and ultimately they’re just people that happen to have special abilities.
0:00 I just wanna know what you say lol. Like people have pointed out that X-Men isn’t the best allegory cuz a lot of mutants really can just do things like randomly appear in the Oval Office like the end of X2. But I feel like if you Take away the cool powers it works AND it’s def how our current society would react if we found out there was a new Kind of human
i think the big issue with marvel's handling of mutant kind is that they are never able to outright disconnect mutants from some kind of metaphorical parallel like another race or the lgbt community or something as has been said in numerous other comments, the difference between the groups that mutants are metaphors for and mutants themselves is that no other group in the real world will reach puberty and suddenly unlock the power to fill people with spores by looking them in the eyes or something in the real world, other groups are not a threat by nature, its a small number of people in that group choosing to make bad decisions, or the former decisions of members of that group. with mutants, while most are similarly harmless by nature, there are countless ways for a lot of them to just completely stomp out the vast majority of people in the world because they wanted to. and i dont just mean people like that one teenager who developed the ability to kill organic life within close proximity to him. i mean even people like cyclops, who most would consider a fairly underpowered mutant when compared to people like storm or magneto, could very easily tear apart a sizeable chunk of the planet's population if he went off the deep end one day. and when you multiply that by millions, some with an active desire to harm people and some with passively-active abilities that just kill people by things like being in close proximity or by any kind of skin contact, it becomes a lot more reasonable to expect people to be at least fearful of mutantkind. if i were in the position of a human in the marvel universe, i would be absolutely terrified, and frankly very jealous of the x-men themselves.
Great video man. In a climate where everything is woke and anything to do with black Americans is blamed on us I really loved this show. Every bit of it. No one cares about the brutality and systemic issues until it affects them. Any radical groups in our community are vilified when it’s born out of anger toward the status quo. We have to prove we are the good ones politically and even then nothing is ever done for us that is going to actually help said communities. It’s been actually extremely depressing and this show shows that no matter what we do this country will always hate us and subjugate us until the next group comes along to be vilified. I really appreciate the video man because half the videos I see are the same depressing videos talking down on us and the undertones of this show about racial and social issues that may have changed law wise but hate is taught and a lot see our struggles as dumb since they are struggling too even if the struggles are due to different reasons and some actually have someone trying to help them fix their porblems
As a queer person, I'm emotionally able to relate to the "mutants as an oppressed minority" reading originally intended by the various writers throughout the years. The problem I keep running into *intellectually*, though, is that this reading completely ignores the material consequences of the existence of mutants, and superpowered individuals more generally. Yes, mutants are a "minority simply born different from everyone else," but you know who else fits that description? The children of billionaires (which is to say, future billionaires). The leftist objection to billionaires is that their wealth gives them more power than any individual should rightfully have, regardless of how they use that power (hence the notion that "there are no 'good' billionaires"), and I can't come up with a good reason why that shouldn't also apply to the existence of any superpowered individual whose abilities carry the potential for harm. There's no good answer for why Captain America should be treated differently from mutants because the "mutants as minority" allegory was simply declared as an intention without fully thinking through the implications. The world of the X-Men (and Marvel more generally) has been artificially constructed such that regular humans are motivated by bigotry when there are far more morally challenging reasons for them to object to the existence of mutants.
In truth if you look at Hulk, Spider-Man and the X-Men there was kind of a narrative in the Marvel Universe were humans were saved despite being bigotted against the heroes. Sur the avengers and the Fantastic Four existed but overall it's kind of this thing where "those the public fear as bad guys are the heroes" and it's an interesting trope. I do agree that most superpowered narrative are quite hard to fully reconcile with leftist beliefs.
Not really. Sure superpowers of these people can seem like a billionaire type situation until you realize the X-Men are in the same world and mostly in the same city where Dr strange fights literal demons, fantastic four fight Galactus, avengers fight skrulls invasions, and hulk is fighting monsters like abomination all while spider man fights electro and Tony fights whiplash with an iron man suit. The marvel universe is a hell scape with superheroes and supervillian battling it out almost every day. 99% of mutants aren't violent if left alone and could help protect non powered people from the constant supervillian that exist. Magneto would be humanity's greatest defender against threats like Galactus or Ultron. Friends of Humanity fearing or hating mutants but not Thor, Hulk, or even billionaires like Tony or kingpin don't make much sense
While Mutants are often victims of humanity's bigotry they are by no means the only ones. Just look at how the media in their world treats Hulk and Spiderman. They are both heroes but largely seen as monsters and menaces to society. A big running theme in Marvel is the thankless nature of being a hero. Now the hatred for mutants does seem a bit unique. This may stem from it being a "natural" progression instead of a man-made occurrence. For whatever reason the idea that people would naturally gain powers freaks people of the Marvel universe out.
@@KrazyStargazer it really shouldn't. Tons of people especially in NYC have super powers and those who don't own tech that basically gives them super powers. Fantastic four are celebrities and well respected scientists but morlocks or nightcrawler is scary? Even thought doc Ock, Mordo, Loki, and Galactus all cause chaos on earth occasionally???
Humans should be cautious of mutants on the same way we’re cautious of other humans. Any human could conceivably be a threat. That doesn’t mean we throw them all in cages because they might be dangerous. Because… mutants are just mutants. Homo Superior isn’t a species. It’s not even a race or culture. They’re just people. There’s not enough difference between baseline humanity and mutants for them to be considered their own separate thing. It’s one gene.
People should fear mutants the same way they fear The Hulk or Venom. It's reasonable. What Is *NOT* reasonable Is the persecution mutants suffer. Especially when you remember the same universe where mutants are persecuted for being born with powers Is the same where Captain America, Spider-Man and Daredevil are A-OK.
There is more genuine discussion about the topic proposed by the title in the comments than in the video itself, most of it just felt like an essay supporting the show's commentary about real life politics, wich was the weakest part of the show by far. Someone else perfectly pointed out in the comments: said commentary falls flat when the persecuted group in the show is shown as a genuine threat to the entire planet. The politics of it all are good to set a scenario where the audience can understand and relate to it in various degrees, but its dog shit when it comes to actual criticism of real world problems outside of the bare bones morals, wich is fine since its a super hero cartoon, but shouldnt be blown out of the water
and the humans have giant robots that track DNA. it's almost like the allegory does no end with the superpowers. but that would require thought and not just passing it off as a "dog shit kids cartoon".
In the Jewish community, we call the theme you talk about throughout this video "the banality of evil." Most people aren't Nazis or Hamasniks, but when enough people become used to Nazis or Hamasniks, their existence becomes banal, _normal,_ and who faces the consequences of evil becoming normal? Jews, gays, freethinkers, neurodivergent people... but also, eventually, the "normal" people, as exemplified by the "When they came for the [blank]" story, and by Bastion's Prime Sentinels.
Im surprised the og series didnt start off with the brotherhood of evil mutants like the 60's comics and Bryan singer xmen film or with juggernaut attacking like pryde of the xmen and spidermsn and his amazing friends. Its interesting the creatives chose sentinels
My take on the whole thing. Well there's two things to keep in mind. People keep saying mutants are "unpredictable" when thats not always the case. A lot in the comics and otherwise are in control of their powers (though I'm aware there is a small percentage that can't). I'd say people have the right to be concerned but not outright claiming all mutants are uncontrollable walking atom bombs. And for those who bring up the likes of Magneto, that's the fault of him as a person not just his powers full stop. And also.....its easy to semise about all this in a world like ours. Mutants and Super Powered beings don't exist in our world so we can only really comment on this from our world perspective. However if we were living in the Marvel Universe or suddenly Mutant equivalents began to exist in our world, then our outlook would become very different (for better or for worse depending on the individuals). Side note: All this talk about Mutants having dangerous powers yet ignore Humanity has just as much dangerous means such as guns, bombs, nukes, chemical weapons etc. If we're gonna fear mutants, we should fear Humanity just as equally in this case.
My only problem with your last part is the fact that there’s a innate difference between carrying a gun and effectively being that gun in one case the gun can be removed stowed away or even caught before it’s ever used to harm anyone way harder to do with mutant powers which can vary far more widely
Sinister's fetshization of mutant abilities kinda reminds me of racists/ transphobes in real life because I've seen some absolutely horrible people (like alex jones) get caught with very "explicit" content of the people they're speaking against. It's honestly fuckin disgusting how they'll ignore the human part of them to take advantage
And it gets worse in the comics with villains like the U-men who see mutants as a resource. They take out mutant parts and graft them onto themselves. Often unsuccessfully. And what they did to Martha Johansson is arguably one of the most screwed up things I’ve seen in a comic.
Captain America is one of those curious things because I think most of us couldn’t recall where he stood in this 90s universe but have imprinted on the MCU version which I will contend is probably the best version of the character. And he still had to have a disillusionment arc. It was called The Winter Soldier. Cap is part of the system but is loyal only to the dream of it. That’s why he constantly quit under Republican presidents ;)
This Captain America has only recently been freed from a time warp where he'd been battling the Red Skull in single combat for over 50 years. He hasn't had time to ponder whether he should have battled less and questioned more.
@@FantasticFour03-xu3lg I agree. EP 6 with rogue felt in character but the last EP Steve should've protested more. He gave up too quickly. Either don't show him or have him protest more. I'm fine with cap still obeying the president that's in character. He only becomes nomad rarely. It's not like if the government decides something cap doesn't like he just immediately leaves the government but he'll give more pushback. I did like him still obeying orders tho.
While I don't agree with all of your views on the topics you presented in this video, I thoroughly enjoyed and respect this intellectual exercise. Your willingness to explore this topic from all angles and your effort to give an impartial assessment of it is beyond commendable. Excellent job, and here is hoping for many more to come.
I hate to be the one to bring up current issues… but this really resonated with me. In short, I’m Israeli. Yes, that DOES mean I’m a Zionist. No, that DOES NOT mean I believe in “Jewish supremacy” or wish to exterminate Palestinians. I’m actually a paramedic and have treated countless Palestinian patients. Zionism is the belief that Jews deserve their own state, it’s NOTHING else (and if someone told you otherwise they were probably taught false information). Watching this show…. Especially the Genosha episode, felt like seeing a precise allegory for what my people just went through. I know that world has moved on since October 7th and decided to only care about Gaza. But we haven’t. Thousands of families are still in mourning. My friends were shot dead while dancing in a festival. Every day people keep dying of the missile barrages. I hate this war, and I just want it to stop, have everyone return home and to live peacefully. The days after the attack, I kept feeling like the world would now see what we went through and support us. I felt like violence THAT extreme, could never be supported by anyone. I was wrong. Just like the show, when they feared the mutant response to the Genosha massacre - Even BEFORE Israel went forward with any kind of retaliation, there were marches in the streets of Europe calling to exterminate us. To dismantle us. “Send us back to where we came from”. Watching the show felt like seeing true event of my past few months unfold in animated superhero form.
Ok, I need to interject here: 1. Actually, yes, being a Zionist implicitly means you support those things, as it implies that you're perfectly comfortable living on land that was stolen from the people who were there already. 2. The only way the Genosha massacre could in any way be comparable to Oct. 7th is if it turned out Magneto has orchestrated the whole thing to justify a war on humanity, taking advantage of some desperate attack by a people oppressed for nearly a century to make said attackers look even worse, and then spread misinformation and propaganda accusing humans of crimes almost unfit to be printed. 3. The reason the world has been turning their backs on Israel is because we have seen, for decades, how brutally Israel punishes Palestinians for even the most minor of infarctions, or sometimes for no reason at all. The condemnation of Israel has only grown louder because Israel and its supporters have tried so very hard to silence any voices of dissent; why do you think all those lies about UNWRA, college campus protestors, the International Criminal Court, keep popping up? Not to mention the attack happening in the wake of Netanyahu's failed attempt to render the High Courts impotent when it comes to prosecuting politicians, which was already drawing eyes into Israel, meant people could see this war for what it is: a cowardly attempt by Bibi to hold onto power indefinitely at the cost of as many Palestinian and Israeli lives as it takes. 4. You say you're a paramedic who has treated Palestinian patients. Surely you've seen what the IDF has done to them? Or has that group of patients just disappeared since October?
And one more point from interjection 1: No, being Israeli does not automatically make one a Zionist, any more than me being an American means I agree with the treatment of Native Americans in our own history. To suggest such a thing is, ironically, very anti-Semitic, lumping all Israelis into one group, heedless of their actual opinions.
@@christopherwall2121 Being a Zionist doesn’t mean I support oppressing Palestinians. And anyone who has told you otherwise is simply wrong. Zionism - or in Hebrew “Zionut”, is the concept of Jews having a national homeland. That’s it. That’s how it’s taught in Israeli schools. Nothing about how we “should” oppress or harm Palestinians. Are there horrible people in Israeli who hate Palestinians? Yes, as there are racist douchbags everywhere, in any country. But that’s not the meaning of Zionism. If an Israeli person isn’t a Zionist, that means they don’t believe Israel should exist, and then what’s stopping them from forfeiting their citizenship and leaving? Thus, their mere citizenship as Israelis, is Zionistic - because it follows the belief Israel should exist. I myself, very much oppose harming anyone, that doesn’t mean I’m not a Zionist, as I still believe a Jewish homeland is necessary. And that’s it. That’s the entire meaning. Nothing facist, nothing racist. Just that.
So did you miss the part where Gaza is essentially experiencing the event of Genosha daily. Yes the Israeli people have a right to peace and security, but running a apartheid state and committing genocide aren't how you provide that for your people. Violence will always breed more violence. We humanity as a whole must learn to coexist
@@ikechristyii4970 With every living moment of my existence I have acted and advocated for co-existence. ALWAYS. That is why when October 7th happened I felt so heartbroken. My dream, my aspirations, slipped away in an act of horrendous cruelty and violence. I wasn’t in ANY way diminishing the pain and suffering of the Palestinians. DONT diminish mine.
I mean the ultimate meta on this is the celestials created the externals, the deviants and mankind from a primitive race on earth, and seeded the genetics for the humans to gain powers at some point down the line aka the mutants. So I’m a sense mutants are just part of the game plan by the celestials.
Disgust do shape society after all. But fear do keep you alive. It is not exactly wrong to fear, that is the truth. However it is dishonorable to act on said fear for no basis at all, and freedom to act only meant something when wielded with honor.
I'm pretty sure it's ok to fear someone who's super power is summoning guns, or mind control whenever they want or manipulate biology or create any virus or change the weather or creatw explosions or anything that is destructive or lethal. But I guess by your logic I should ignore basic survival instincts because that's ignorant
Most mutants aren't that strong. And the X-Men exist for those special strong mutants. And it's in the marvel verse where there are humans that are stronger than most mutants. Heck Tony Stark has more power under his thumb than 99% mutants.
This actually reminds me of a character concept i'd had for an RPG. Guy who's older vrother was a mutant, but he was normal, and a bit jealous. Not in the, "eventually goes evil out of anger at not being "special" sort, but in the "Learns stage magic and mentalism to pretend to be a mutant, too" kind. The gag would have been them eventually getting accepted to Xavier's school, where half the staff knows hes human and dont care, the other half know and think its a good integration experience for everyone involved. Students may or may not have known.
@@justinweber4977 They'd know. Unless he had Franklin Richards' powers, they'd know. There are at least three extremely powerful psychics working there, and not a one of them is shy about reading minds without consent.
I feel the reason why you have people criticizing the MCU for being pro-military/status quo is because of the lack of the X-Men in the MCU (due to Fox having the movie rights at the time), for they are the key to showcase that yes, the Avengers are indeed in the wrong for defending the status quo, especially one where humanity doesn't tolerate mutants.
My guess is laziness because they are afraid of making changes to the status quo so that future movies have to mention or make a reasonable references to said change or change the films plot if the status quo change is that huge since script writers like to change their mind about the plot during the production
@christopherbennett5858 I'm starting to see why a connected universe film series is a bad idea in the long term. It's ok when it's just 10 movies but overtime it kinda stacks up
I love the thought process of bigots and bullies in X-Men comics.
”Hey you know that purple kid that can crush cars with his mind and shoot bees from his nipples?"
"Yeah?"
"Let's pick on him and throw stuff at him!"
"YEAH!"
The Bigots in X-men are walking examples of the Trope Too Dumb To Live
It’s because it’s a lose lose situation for the mutant. If he doesn’t fight back,they get to beat on a minority. If he does fight back then their attack is justified because mutants are “dangerous”.
@@PhantoRoyce 😂
Same two guys, months later eating through tubes.
"Hey Cleet, y'know what else we could have also done?"
"Swear to God Mike, I am so tired of your bitching! We were fighting for HUMANITY!"
"Bowling, we coulda gone bowling back when our legs worked and we didn't have catheters."
Takes a lot of courage you don't see to walk up to what could be a wmd and start upsetting them. Perticular later in the story when groups like genosha would view you as a war hero for fighting back. Also the we love Spiderman and fantastic four but screw xmen raise questions
@@patrickmcathey7081 Spider-Man, really? Have you read any of the Daily Bugles numerous expose's on that wall crawling nightmare?
I mean, there's obviously a fine line between "reasonable concern" and "outright bigotry," but honestly, yeah. Humans should be afraid of at least SOME mutants. Hell, there are some mutants that most other mutants should be afraid of. People like Magneto and Xavier can affect the world on a global scale. And despite all their claims to being SO different from humans, mutants are still subject to all the same moral and ethical failings of humankind. I wouldn't trust ANYONE with the power to literally shut-down the entire world's energy infrastructure in an instant, and I don't think that is an unfair position...
But why did magneto use a worldwide emp? Because he felt humanity had declared war already on genosha and wanted to stop a mutant "pogrom". This ep shows bastion and magneto are both going eye fir eye and making the whole world blind. Xavier offers restraint and cooperation
@@Thed538dhsk Yeah, I was answering the general query of "should humans fear mutants?" Not specific instances. Mutants like Magneto are basically the equivalent of random humans owning atomic bombs. And there's a reason we REALLY don't want random motherfuckers owning atomic weapons...
@@Thed538dhskThere is a difference between destroying an island nation and killing all multicellular life on planet Earth.
Professor X could be out there serving the public but instead he holes himself up in a mansion training his own private army
@@Scowleasy I've got to ask: what "public service" could Xavier provide that wouldn't also be a gross violation of human rights?
Bastion: We are here to save you-
Civilian: Oh, thank God it's the sentinels.
Bastion: FROM YOURSELVES!
Civilians: Oh, God it's the sentinels.
Lmaoooooo 😂😂😂😂
the radical robo extremist is...extreme 🤯🤯
Hellsing Abridged?
Yep
@@rustyshackleford2950 Yep
They one upped the idea of Captain America siding with mutants willingly.
Instead, the sentinels extended their genocidal movement to target all of humanity’s heroes (even those who’d been following the rules).
It was an interesting writing direction.
Anyone who even reminds you of "them" becomes the enemy. Can't risk any of "them" getting through, gotta make sure the net catches them all.
It didn't look like the Sentinels were attacking the heroes for being heroes.
I have to watch it again, but it looks like they only attacked those who opposed them. Why they came after Black Panther? I assumed he had mutants in his throne room.
But I could be overthinking it
@@BrakSplashThey were pretty much just indiscriminately rampaging. Bastion (and Master Mold in the original show) realized with their logic that mutants *are* humans and therefore need to be protected from themselves.
In the comics, AI becomes the new new threat, a monster created (or really, discovered) by humanity that escaped its cage and turned on the master. So I saw that scene as the precursor to that, the robot takeover future.
@@Dare5358And that, every time humanity/mutantkind gets scared and tries to destroy the AI, it just makes the collective angrier.
Hmmm, if I live in the marvel universe. Mutants would be at the bottom of the list of my fears, I be wondering why they using on the mutants when there Aliens, Gods, Killer Robots, Kaiju, and etc attacking cities almost daily. So, I don't think it justified
Same
Also same. Spiderman's rogue gallery alone is a bigger threat than like 99% of mutants. Rhino is just a robber. Most mutants aren't violent and those who are X-Men, x factor, x force, alpha flight, etc help fight. Meanwhile the literal devil is trying to have some new scheme or corruption with kingpin or galactic showing up. Mutants are the least of Earth's worries in the comics except for a few exceptions like apocalypse or namor. Even magento if you leave him and mutants alone, Charles can convince him and has been proven to get magento to chill out
I mean, that kind of makes sense, but you don't have to encounter alien gods on a day to day basis (that's more of a semi-annual thing). In a world with mutants, though, you have no way of knowing if the dude who you just accidentally cut off in traffic is a short-tempered sociopath who has the power to explode dicks with their mind. THAT's the kind of constant, always-in-the-background threat that is going to stress your ass out in a way that nothing else will. For an analogy, nuclear weapons are inarguably a bigger danger to humanity as a whole than anything else, but most people worry way more about some random asshole deciding to start shooting a gun in a mall...
If it helps, Cyclops has Kaiju protocols
@@Thed538dhskHeck, the only superhero who routinely helps out in the Middle East is Dust; a student of the Xmen who regularly goes back to Afghanistan and drives groups like the Taliban out to help free towns.
It is weird, though. In any other hero settings, regular humans mistrusting people with powers is portrayed as understandable, but in X-Men, it's just portrayed as prejudice.
Its the idea of the " lottery" of being powered by being born with it. Its something that cant be obtained (normally) by buying it, you cant cultivate it, you cant earn it, you cant find it, and it cant be gifted (unless its Apocalypse giving it to you, but im saying). Barthalomew the human does not understand how, or why. He just knows its not him. Humans fear what they dont understand.
So its both Fear and ravenous jealousy. Because in that world every other Harry, Moe and Larry gets splashed with chemicals, they tripped and fell into magic , Aliens lose something and they find it, or the Government comes and turns them into a weapon or something. But somehow Bart missed out, they rolled a 1. But mutants? Rolled a 20. Even if its just a boy that just looks like a chicken. Its enough to fill Bartholomew with Hate, Jealousy, and Envy.
Add a dash of Fear to it an *Boom!!!* Nimrods at the family BBQ.
It is weird. However, one could argue most powered individuals besides mutants got their powers in a one in a million scenario where the situation that they are in should have killed them.
It is predjudice. Not every mutant instakills you with a touch, thus thinking this way makes you dumb. At the same time, not being cautious of unregulated mutants would also make you dumb.
But the issue is X-Men is no longer a valid bigotry analogy. Both sides are helmed by powerful people with conflicting interests conscripting disillusioned young people into indocrinated militia. That's the angle they should be hitting now. Because that is a more frightening scope as far as I'm concerned, and closer to our actual current plight as a species. Bigotry is only one piece on the chessboard.
I think it’s also because you’re in the perspective of those with powers in the Xmen where the heroes were kids who reached puberty and strange stuff happened to them.
And a lot of the teens don’t have great powers. I mean, you have one couple where the guy looks like a battery farm chicken and his wife has the internal physiology of a fly.
And yet, regardless of what the ability is or how well they’re known, it often results in minors being attacked by grown men and women who suddenly turn on them.
@@shadowwriter4538Like those that got their powers via radiation?
So what if humanity dies out? Like seriously what is wrong with humans not being on the planet anymore? Mutants aren't killing them, their descendants will be mutants. What's so wrong with that?
Interesting point but, that is not how evolution works, (althougth Marvel universe does not follow real logic), but in reality, everyone is a small mutation from their parrents, since they are not identical copies but have our own special genes, so if those set of genes are allow you to survive enough to reproduce, then your mutation is successfull, if not, well you will not reproduce, since you do not have the cualifications to survive, so it is not like human now will have mutant childen and then mutant children will have eventualy ubermutant ( or whatever come next) but that only the qualities that allow you to not only survive but succed will be the ones that persist, the rest will be killed directly or indirectly ( by not being enought to gather resourese for their survival), so the fear here will be that at some point one or the other will inevitably cause the dead of the other humanoid specie, since only the most adapted will be the one to stay.
But that is not the only thing that could happen, it could be that both, humans and mutants have enought capabilities as species to survive without issue, and there are enought resourses for them to flourish, and of course, just some individuals that are not fit will not survive (as it always happens).
So if there is replacement it will indeed be one species killing the other, or there is a external factor that only one species has the qualities to survive.
@@Krawietz M8 that is not how the Comics have portrayed this at all. Yeah that is how real evolution but this is comics where a guy can shoot lasers that have concussive force and another guy is a blue demon catholic priest. Humans produce Mutants (People with an activated X-Gene) relatively often. Most of the characters have human parents not Mutant ones.
Well, I'd argue that the real issue is that the poison that infects humanity infects mutants too. I want to say that was the purpose of Gambits suspicion when they visited Genosa. Mutants won't be starting society over from scratch. They'd be building upon what humanity has left. With all the societal rot and ingrained bigotry.
If humans disappeared how long before mutants start segregating based on appearance or powers? Wealth and status? Such an out come would eventually result in conflict. A truly cataclysmic event.
Humanity's saving grace is that it requires so many people in agreement to destroy the world. With mutants, it may only require one Omega level threat.
One optimistic possibility that comes to mind is the world of My Hero Academia. There the majority of people are mutants (people with quirks) and the “normal humans” or quirkless are the minority. There is still prejudice and problems, specially against people whose quirks manifest physically like Spinner and whose society can’t accommodate like Mt. Lady and Kirihito Kamachi; and the more messed up stuff like the All for One and the whole deal with Shigaraki; but it also shows that the more quirkless people are capable of integrating into society, though not without also facing prejudice. Nevertheless it shows a world were coexistence is posible, and even awesome to live in.
Eventually they do. Kinda. In the comics it's seen in several futures humans or people not born to have powers will die out. But it's also true with "white" people too. At some point it appears humans will have more melinated or browner skin. Given current evidence, but to those who are proud to be "white" however they define what that means becoming a minority or "extinct" is scary. Mutants are still humans. Europeans with skin complexions closer to olive or light brown are still Europeans. But the idea of losing to mutants or to darker skin people is scary for some folks
The problem with X-Men being an allegory for racial bigotry (eventually changed to other allegories for other groups, in less fitting ways, I'd argue in some cases) is mutants genuinely can be more dangerous. There's mutant named Nitr His power is he just BLOWS UP. ) In fact his blowing up is what really kicks off the even lt Civil War. That's terrifying. Or the mutant boy in ultimate X-Men who just naturally accidentally kills his whole town just by existing. (EDIT found out Nitro isn't a mutant in 616, only in the show wolverine and the xmen)
The problem with that is that they don't do those on purpose. They were not terrorist, just kids who had no control over their powers. But the media of course wouldn't see it that way
@@akara6798actually Nitro was totally in control of his powers, although he was a metahuman and not a mutant. Although he was juicing with some science crap and he was also just laying low until the New Warriors showed up to pick a fight for their superhero reality tv show.
@@johnsayles8032 sorry, I must have misremembered. But he wasn't a mutant and even if he was, it is still wrong to stereotype a all mutants because of what the 1% does
@@akara6798 granted, but the civil war plotline had less to do with mutants (this was all post M-Day) and more to do with the issues of a bunch of untrained yahoos in costumes taking the law into their own hands as well as the extent we allow for government control. Also superheroes punching each other.
I feel like the Augs from the Deus Ex games have the same problem. It goes a bit beyond a transhumanism/racial debate when anyone with the funds can have swords in their arms, see through walls, jump high and land from the tops of buildings unharmed, have super strength via robot arms, sprint at superhuman speeds, turn invisible, mute their footsteps, set off an explosion in a 360 degree radius around them at any given time, etc. If there were guys like Adam Jensen walking around the real world I’d be scared to ever leave my house again.
I think humanity is right to fear anyone with powers or capabilties that is psycholigically/morally dangerous or an awful person, doesnt mean everyone with powers needs to be persecuted. Just like how all humans shouldnt be persecuted just cause of the dangers of the UN and Anti-Mutant Factions
Here in the real world sure but in the comics you have to remember humanity appears to be fine with all the other powered beings (heroes, aliens, gods, demons, vampires, etc) or at least don't fear them to the same extent as mutants. The wild thing is My Hero Academia is basically the marvel universe if humans just embraced mutants.
@@ikechristyii4970The closest the universe gets to intolerance towards all metahumans (I know it’s usually a DC term for super-abled or powered beings, but it’s occasionally also used for Marvel like in Ultimate Alliance) is at the time of the Superhuman Registration Act, which was ironically incited when Nitro, a mutant criminal, blew up an urban block during a battle with superheroes.
At this point, it’s more a matter of mutant intended by most writers working on them as an allegory for oppressed groups than anything else, as other metahumans have a far wider variety of stories associated to them.
As for My Hero Academia, Quirks practically outnumber the Quirkless, making the later the minority group, while more powerful Quirks and Pro Heroes are either constantly battling criminals or, in cases like Endeavor, are depicted as valuing status more than much else, which still fits X-Men’s depictions of a species with random supernatural abilities and attributes populating a planet, as the strongest of the species, Omega-Level mutants like Erik or En Sabah Nur, are constantly seeking to dominate the world and in the latter’s case, he actually does in some futures, ruling as a tyrant.
And even further then En Sabah Nur, there are mutants that can warp reality itself like Proteus or Legion, both of whom being insane and volatile individuals who on their own can cause massive amounts of destruction on a whim (Legion in particular being able to affect the entire universe with his powers), meaning that even a single Omega Level mutant can endanger both species.
@@callmev3531 There are people who have pointed out that the My Hero Academia world is one where things are dangerously close to fulfilling the nightmare fantasy the motivated Bolivar Trask to create the Sentinels in the first place: a world where humans are at best an underclass who do not hold the same rights as the rest of the world, one where it'd only take a few nudges to worsen that to slavery.
Exactly. I think it's disgusting that he's comparing real world racism with mutant racism in Marvel. I don't remember the last time a black man bench press 100 tons
@@ikechristyii4970 People who are different aren't entirely embraced in MHA, people with Quirks causing a radically different appearance are treated as freaks.
I think their fears are somewhat justified. I mean Magneto can pretty much by himself mess up the planet at any time he wants to. Imagine if a mass shooter had Cyclops's eye beams and could just level a city block in seconds. If a terrorist had Storm's power.
That doesn't justify the actions a lot of humans take in X Men like Graydon Creed or Bolivar Trask, or Bastion etc. It doesn't mean mutants should be stripped of human rights or killed or put into camps. But this (along with them pushing the narrative that one day Mutants will out number and then replace 'normal humans) is where for me, the civil rights allegory starts to run into issues because unlike say the LGBT community or immigrants seeking asylum, there are actually legitimate reasons to be afraid of mutants. That said, not JUST mutants, but all super powered individuals though it seems to be the Mutants that get almost all of the hate and non mutants with powers get more of a pass for some reason.
The diffrence is mutants are a growing number that that are naturally growing. While other heros tend to be 1 guy getting a power or item or ect. Their is a finite amount of hulks or Captain America's even if they are genetically made due to their source of power being limited. Same with a hero like iron man or spiderman needing knowledge on a individual level or freak occurrence.
But mutants occur randomly and naturally and have the numbers of growth other heros in Marvel don't have on earth. It would be like instead of 5 captin America super soldiers were made the serum spread to the water supply and just caused 10000s to mutate and then it passed on to their kids somehow.
I think the reason Mutants get so much hate compared to other characters comes down to what they are. There are plenty of freak accidents that can give someone strange powers but they are not the norm.
Mutants are a naturally occuring source of potential calamity. There are just going to be more and more of them. You don't have to worry about some random asshole becoming practically a god every day. You have to worry about Mutants with the potential to cause all kinds of havoc being born constantly. Further, most Mutants can't control their powers at first, making them even more dangerous.
Beyond their potential threat, they are a constant reminder that humanity is literally becoming obsolete. You lump these two ideas together in one group that people can point a finger at, that's something people can fear and hate in a way that random one off superhumans doesnt approach.
Non-mutants don't always get a pass (Spider-man and Hulk would like a word); its just that- as you said- mutants have the narrative of replacing humanity by extremists in both camps, and their powers are often more random and dangerous.
If the hatred of Mutants was based solely on caution about how dangerous a few Mutants can be would agree for the most part. Even tho most Mutants powers are not dangerous their caution not hatred caution would be justifiable.
A lot of the bigotry Mutants face however are based on a different allegory that very few people seem to mention. The hatred people without mutantions have towards Mutants is very much comparable to The White Replacement theory.
Where people without mutations fear that Mutants will become the majority. But what those people fail to realize is just like Master Mold said in the 92 cartoon Mutants are humans. Humans who deserve the same rights and freedom as people with without mutations.
Exactly the allegory drawn between mutants and real world minorities is only valid till the oppression part and the fact that they are born with it nd this isn't something acquired.
Beyond that, it's really their abilities and potential to cause damage if not controlled that concerns humans.
We don't need to fear the LGBTQ community fr any reason or potential danger. Other than perhaps the ignorance that people have that they might convert other PPL to queer also. Which is again wrong.
Spoilers for the ending:
Captain America does try to plea the President to reconsider the “Magneto Protocol,” but when the President decides to move forward with it, Cap seems a bit bummed. So it’s not exactly a side with the Mutants, but a disillusionment away from humanity.
Yeah. Keep in mind that this version of Captain America is just fresh out of the time vortex he was trapped in while wrestling with Red Skull.
He was concerned about the asteroid hitting earth, not the mutants.
How is that a disillusionment from humanity because of one guy?
That's like saying that humans should fear all mutants because of one mutant that decided it was time to persecute humans.
Not all humans are bad.
Like social media, the show makes it seem like the one percent humans represents all humanity 😅
@@BrakSplash I’m not sure if you’re paying attention to real life but that’s literally how the world works.
@@SuperSlash86 I gotcha 👍
One thing about X-Men in current comics and this X-Men series: They never show the average human. It's always the extremes. And you are either with or against the mutants. Also, all mutants are not benevolent by birth or because they are 'oppressed'. Sabertooth is a straight up murderer, Magneto is a monster created by horrible events that CHOOSES to be a monster, Mystique is also vicious. I can go no with other characters like Shadow King's host, Sugar Man, Apocalypse, Fabian Cortez, Empath and a few others that are absolute nightmares. People have to fear mutants in the Marvel world as much as they do mad scientists and alien invasions which happen often in that matchstick universe. This was explained in of all places Gwenpool volume one.
So the average person would still either be siding with or against the existence of a people. You either support the genocide of a people or you are against it. That’s why there are no “average people” shown going “oh I don’t know if I want jewish/black/muslim/gay people to exist or not.”
Current xmen is a joke
Ehhh lol i can tell you are not a minority from your response. X-men mirrors what minorities go through on a daily. Yeah they are bad mutants but they are also good ones too. It’s like me saying all white are evil and racist just case i meant a few bad apples. X men just mirrors minorities and what they deal with on the daily.
No more then a raccoon fears a human. Your just no longer top of the food chain. It isn't like humans have ever mistreated lifeform they objectively considered less then them. One could argue its karmatic
We do see normal humans, like the reporter, Roberto's mom, the majority within the church Nightcrawler was raised in, that one village with the rocket guy, and that blonde judge just off the top of my head. Thing is just that X-men makes it a point that when the majority stay silent, you only see and hear the extremes. It doesnt really matter if you are a good guy like Captain America, if you still decide to act like a bystander in face of injustice.
Also, Magneto isn't plainly a monster, in fact safe for that one instance he tried to throw nukes back at a city after they were shot at him, he generally has only been attacking those that come after him throughout this series, and has even showed great restraint in 97 for the sake of bloodless negotiations with the humans.
Otherwise of course not all mutants are good people either, as some of them are straight menaces to the world as a whole... But that's the thing, the X-men are supposed to be there to fight for a balance, because it's the extremes of both sides that twists the world.
The answer is incredibly simple: yeah, duh.
Remember the line, "with great power comes great responsibility?" Thats the primary tenet that spider man follows. And he learned that the hard when his inaction led to his uncle dying.
This is the primary core of all superhumans, the one lesson that needs be taught to them: they have to be responsible for their own gifts, and that can mean using it for good or just controlling it and learning to live with it. Mutants are the perfect way to test this. Millions of individuals developing powers that can range from a disability to straight up being god. Do you think all of them would be so quick to learn this? No. In fact, the ones who do are probably in the minority. Because power has a habit of fucking with peoples brains.
Thats why xavier started the x men in the first place: to protect humans from evil mutants (straight from x men #1 by stan lee himself). But he also created the school for gifted children, to help mutants in another way. To teach them to control their powers so that they dont become a harm to themselves and any other.
As for some other reasons, like how people just exclusively fear mutants and not other superhumans, its a mix of both incompetent writing trying to keep to the status quo by having mutants remain as perpetual victims, and a very real reason.
Mutants are random as fuck. If we ignore mutants themselves having kids and what-not, the x gene is basically untraceable until it kicks in during puberty. So any random kid could just abruptly gain destructive powers. There are exceptions, of course, but theyre the usually the result of mutants having kids (nightcrawler and azazel). If compare mutants to inhumans, which are much more interesting imo, inhumans have a very real gene that can be traced. And their powers can only be activated by terrigen gas.
Theres also just mutants that have a superiority complex, like the hellfire club, and the ones that establish hierarchies of power like that. Its inevitable, really.
As for sentinels, i think theyre cool, but its kind of dumb that the US just uses them solely to put a boot down on some muties neck rather than... use them as a line of defense against alien invasions. Or super terrorist attacks. Or literally anything else. I get the whole master mold and trask and bastion and whatnot, but its still silly that no one has pointed out how useful a sentinel could be.
But again, mutants wont ever really be explored in manners like this because marvel took stan lees of making marvel be a reflection of the real world as "make sure everything never changes and try to add some real world allegory to it even if it completely fucks up the story, the world and its characters." Its why i prefer DC more, it handles its world building a bit better than marvel. And it also lets its metahumans be normal people in a world of the extraordinary.
Like come on, there should be psychics in the PD's, or shapeshifters making sex tapes as some celebrity, or construction sites with mutant workers minding their own business. Theres like 90 different other problems in the marvel universe, youd figure people would just get used to it.
sometime happen during the early 00's manned sentinel were used as the response team against superhuman menace and during the Kang Dinasty saga they reactivated the sentinel as support for the supers against him...unfortunely he had way to get control of them and immediately turned against earth
Honestly why don’t they use sentinels when the rhino is robbing a bank or any other super villain ?
@@jouskehigaskita8835would sending a giant robot to stop a living bantering ram inside a city with skyscrapers actually be a good idea?
@@azureheart2846 Hey, if it's good enough for the Power Rangers...
Xaviers lesson in episode 10 doesn't get talked about enough. The importance of self-love and self-care in the face of hatred. Magneto doesn't WANT to be right and Xavier knows this.
"That is ILLOGICAL. MUTANTS ARE HUMAN!"'- Sentinel.
Exactly.
@@shadowwriter4538 "You're supposed to protect us from the MUTANTS!"
Yup
Master mold*
Fear humans... Humans
Your video was well edited and scripted. Up until recent years I hadn't understood why Mutants were ostracized to a greater degree than other superhumans who are more technically "unnatural" than they are. Semantics.
What struck me during the finale was Bastion's statement about humanity: that they'd rather die than give birth to mutants. It both shows that Bastion acknowledges his species status, and demonstrates the self destructive loopholes some will use to act on their bigotry. That the Sentinels end up eradicating all humans in multiple timelines only underscores the point.
Thanks for your work and thoughts.
Well if every other (new) mutant are written to somehow control time, space, reality, and/or the very fabric of the universe…then yeah, normies have every right to be afraid.
But Dr strange, vampires, witches, Mephisto, Galactus exist in the marvel universe so why single out mutants but not them???
@@Thed538dhsk Joe Average on the street doesn't know most of those things exist. To most people, Dr. Strange is just an eccentric in a cape, his battle is invisible to the average person. They KNOW Mutants exist, they're an indisputable part of everyday life, and it's brought up constantly on the news.
@@Thed538dhskI'm sure humanity would want to solve that problem too.
@@jg3000 but they don't appear to be
@@Thed538dhsk It could be whats shown to them through media.
Honestly this is why I like Val Cooper just being human since there’s a lot of theories of her being Mystiqu( though Mystique non-mutant sons appearance has at least pivoted it towards him instead thanks to his last scene in the OG.)
Seeing the atrocities firsthand towards Mutant, knowing exactly what someone she was working with was actually plotting in the long run, and she radicalized towards not only siding with Mutants, but agreeing with Magnetos stance and supporting him.
I agree. Her being human surprised me but I really liked the idea that she isn't Mystique. More interesting imo
@@Thed538dhskAlso, if Freedom Force ever becomes a thing, it would be cool to see how Mystique would be… with her brotherhood. And her wife.
If I remember correctly, in the very first comics, mutants were called "Homo Mutatis" by Professor X and "Homo Superior" by Magneto, who at the time had zero tragic backstory and was simply "mutant Hitler".
Nowadays, "Homo Superior" is used by all mutants, including the X-Men. Even the heroic mutants sometimes act like they really are the "next stage in human evolution" and humanity really should just peacefully accept their extinction if that's what nature intends (including the ones who should know that mutants are really just Celestial lab experiments).
Let's face it- if mutants were real, they would be as much a danger to each other as to the human race. Most people- human or mutant- wouldn't want to go to a school run by a pervert with telepathy, or risk being r*p*d by a shapeshifter pretending to be their love one, or have the new kid explode as soon as they hit puberty, or be swept up in a tornado because the weather goddess had a panic attack. Even anti-mutant genocides were often either triggered by a mutant doing something terrible, or outright orchestrated by a mutant who was either evil or just having a bad day.
It's also really hard to see how any mutant-ruled planet wouldn't quickly become a deeply hierarchical society with humans at the bottom and "boring" mutants with mundane powers just above them, with the most powerful being some sort of ruling caste along with their families, and unsurprisingly when they do stories where mutants run the world that almost always happens.
In short, mutants would probably fear mutants as much as humans do.
Most mutants don't have cool powers. The earth that has mutants also have spiderman, hulk, Thor, hydra, and The Hand running around causing chaos on a daily basis. Mutants are almost the least of people's worries. Juggernaut is literally an unstoppable demi-demon. Maybe adapt to half the BS that happens on a daily basis then deal with the Russian who can have an all steel body later?
Seriously, most mutants get like heightened senses or reflexes AT BEST. A guy who can dick with the Earth's magnetic poles and control the iron in your blood is every bit as much a threat to "guy who can jump pretty high" as he is to random normies...
We have literally seen regular people in the marvel universe become the greatest threats to society without being mutants the hulks originally just a a scientist with mental health problems should the marvel universe then get rid of mentally unwell people under the risk of them becoming supervillains or capable of destroying the world
@@robertmaldonado1845and then, of course, you wonder when does that end?
Would you kill the autistic man with DID because he’s legion or would you actually make sure he gets actual help?
@@christopherbennett5858
Obviously the second choice but unfortunately the USA destroyed its Asylum system due to the neoliberalism, libertarian, and conservative policies which ended patients being let go and fend in the streets, eventually becoming the homeless transients and vagrants.
Reactionary forces never stop their advance. Even when they appear defeated they will try, try again. Remember that, it's important.
Are you talking about the left or the right?
@@navarog378
The fact that you're asking that question proves his point.
5:10 what’s always so wild to me about them separating mutants and humans on biological levels is that biological majority of the mutants we see ARE humans. They have human DNA just with a bit of extra ✨ spice ✨ they’re born from humans, they inherit the necessary genes to become mutants from humans, etc
Yep. Only Warlock, Broo, Adam X and Xandra are exceptions.
I think the finale still supports your thesis in 3 ways
1. Even after prime sentinels attack kelly, the xmen disable their kill kode, Kelly-the us president desoite urged by king T'chaka and Captain America still shoots at asteroid M. The magneto emp was disabled, the power is back on. And the president still tries, tho fails, to exterminate magneto. Xavier told kelly to trust him to turn the lightd back on, kelly sees xavier and xmen succeeded, some humans tell kelly not to, and after thinking it through kelly still chooses fear and hate and revenge. This shows how even allies of mutants like kelly can give in to fear and hate. As you say its ever present.
2. The news cast at the end of the ep parallels ep 1. 6 months since xavier was thought to have died and tolerance of mutants seems to have been presented as occuring. Same with 6 months after xmen stopped asteroid m from falling to earth. But just like ep 1 with friends of humanity capturing Roberto during the newscast in ep 1 celebrating tolerance, last ep says humanity celebrates the xmen sacrifice but Graydon Creed is rising in the polls for US president. He is a human born to a mutant with mutant half and step siblings who fears his heritage and resents mutanta. Also hes the leader of the anti mutant hate group Friends of Humanity who kidnapped Roberto in ep 1. Its ever present. 2 steps forward 1 step back.
3. Bastion says humanity would rather die than have kids like mutants. And then kelly did try to explode asteroid m. Again the fear and hate is ever present. But there is hope that with all these situations the mutants and xmen can over come hate and fear if diligent and united. They save earth from asteroid m, they could influence elections by being diligent and help campaign for allies, and work with allies to remain an ally like xavier neededing to constantly keep communication with kelly. Leave their ally too long with no communication and that ally can turn on mutants if they are diligent. Like roe vs wade after decades of being standard being overturned despite justices saying they wouldn't overturn it. Not being diligent enough to codify or officially make it into law and see how eventually hate and fear can overturn what was thought to be settled
I am certain the Graydon Creed we heard about is Apocalypse in disguise. When we last saw Graydon, he was dropped off at the residence of Sabertooth.
@@dragonstormx #2, Graydon Creed did have unapologetically abusive and mutant supremacist parents like Mystique and Sabertooth who abandoned him as an innocent child just for being human and intently made him as a lonely child feel lesser than, it was because of that abandonment and the reason behind the abandonment he turned into a cold hearted bigot. graydon wouldnt have been a mutant hater otherwise if he didnf have accidents as parents who burdened a child for being human. His lashing out at the mutant race isnt excused but his unapologetic parents deserve to answer for what they did as its their faultWhile Graydon Creed is irredeemable, Mystique and Sabertooth should be blamed more as they unapologetically traumatized a child they gave birth to and are more sadistic and dangerous than their own son, not forgiven and given amnesty on Krakoa (at least Mystique) just cause they are representation and fight for mutant kind.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 That has nothing to do with what I said. I just brought up that I think the Graydon Creed mentioned at the end of X-Men 97's first season is really Apocalypse. ruclips.net/video/BEVGcaV8jTY/видео.html
When we last saw Creed in the original X-Men animated series, his own organization decided he was a liability, and his failure to kill his mutant blood relatives, they tied up Creed and parachuted him to the home of Sabertooth. I don't see how Creed could have escaped.
But since Creed's death wouldn't be widely known, I believe Apocalypse has stolen his identity.
@@dragonstormx that was meant for OP, but for as to why he could be alive, Sabertooth did spare Graydon Creed in the comics and found compassion his own son for being as twisted/cruel as him. And I thought honestly the executioner in first episode was graydon cause of the scratches on his face when he was unmasked
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I didn't think X-ecutioner was Creed, I figured if he was, the X-Men would have brought it up. Plus, Creed was never a fighter.
The answer is blatantly yes. However marvel is plagued by bad writing at the moment, and can only write extremist views for either side, which just makes the problem worse. Also there is a clear differenct between rational fear and bigotry. Bigotry is just hating mutants because they are mutants. rational fear is being afraid of the girl who can make hurricanes and tornados with a thought or the guy who can shape reality however he wishes. No one wants to be around someone who is basically a walking Nuke. One small mistake, or burst of anger, and the death toll is countless. Humanity should fear mutants, as much as any other threat. But, they should not blindly hate them either, as this is equally senseless. One's actions should speak for themselves. Heroic Mutants should be treated as Heroes, not monsters, while the villainous ones absolutely deserve to be villified by their actions. And should one change sides, it should be judged accordingly, not dragged by who they aren't anymore. Yes, Humanity has every right to fear mutants, but no humanity does not have a right to mindless hate for hate's sake.
The Krakoa arc has cemented that as a YES.
Both Cap & X-Men fans frequently misunderstand the role Cap & the Avengers serve in X-Men stories. They're the upright, traditional superheroes with UN contacts, ordered meetings and lunchboxes; They're The Man where as the X-Men are the cool sexy rebels who fuck.
In an X-Men story the Avengers cannot side with the X-Men but in an Avengers story they can.
I know everyone wants their blorbos to be happy shiny best friends and always do the morally right thing but that is not how these stories function. They are not people, they are story devices.
But here the thing, the Avengers and X-men should both be the cool sexy rebels who fucks. The Avengers 100% support the mutants and their allies
@@FantasticFour03-xu3lgsome do some don't. Like I can see Bruce banner trying to make a cure for himself and to depower mutants because from his pov he sees his abilities as a curse and might feel for many mutants they too have a curse. Characters like Steve Rogers should be The Man and try to be an ally but must follow the government. He can't always be nomad. But he shouldn't be racist to mutants, that's out of character. Thor should see mutants like nightcrawler as a demon to defeat in battle as seen in an Asgardian prophecy. It should depend on the character motivations rather than a simplistic, avengers all are "The Man" and X-Men/mutants are all rebels. 100% magneto and the avengers should have beef because the avengers are tasked with fighting magneto w/o trying to reason with him like Xavier does. But reed Richards and beast should be science bros. It depends on the character and their motivations/characterizations
@@FantasticFour03-xu3lg Idk if I was Carol Danvers I would take down Sentinels and FOH and whatever, but wouldnt team up with the X-men or mutants ever willingly as they seem too forgiving to mutant supremacists like Mystique
So it's kinda like how fights between Hulk and the Avengers are portrayed depending on which book you're reading?
In the Avengers book, Hulk is an out of control monster they have to take down, and in the Hulk book, the Avengers are misunderstanding the situation and are getting in the way of Hulk stopping the real villain.
Something like that?
@@BullseyeRey yep
26:36 that is a problem with the way Marvel and in general superhero comics operate. The Xmen can't save the day on an Avengers comic and the Avengers can't save the day on a Xmen comic. They are characters that deserve their spotlight to take main stage in their own works.
But that, due to the nature of the Xmen civil rights theme, has the unintended side-effect of making the Avengers seem like bigots that side with the racist humans than with their mutant friends.
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My counter point to Humanities Fear of Mutants is always that Tony Stark can do equal or more damage than 90% of the mutant population.
Someone said it like Galactus comes down to earth to eat it from time to time but noo put all the effort in mutant hunting weapons
@@henreymichelson Exactly, and there's so many other forces that lay claim or want to claim earth but humanity still dumps resources into potentially killing the mutants.....a group who can help protect them.
@henreymichelson to be fair there's is a lot of effort put in stopping those threats. some of these groups and teams government funded. those shiled hellacarties arent cheap. it just xmen sometimes the xmens feels like there own separate realiry
Exactly!
But technically speaking...Thanos is a mutant as well. In a sense. So it's kinda of murky.
Work with me now... ::puts on lab coat::
In the comics - Millions of years ago The Celestials came to Earth and conducted DNA experiments on early species of mankind. They created whats known as the Eternals (Homo-immortalis), the Deviants (Homo-Descendus), and only altered Early Man (Homo-Erectus) who later continues to evolve into Modern Man (Homo-Sapien) and a branch humanity evolves into Mutants (Homo-Superior) who have whats known as a X-gene which gives them their abilities. .
So, i present to you this observation.
Thanos is an Eternal, born with the Deviant gene.
Mutants are Human's born with an X-gene.
Mutants are the next evolution of Humans.
Thanos is a Mutant Eternal.
Sentinels should/would attack Thanos.
This has been my T.E.D talk, thank you for coming.
Okay cool so we should just hope and pray that hundreds to thousands of people born with superpowers just happen to be good people.
I understand the metaphor but in the world of marvel I do think it’s somewhat justified. One of my favourite x men comics follows wolverine and he’s talking with a kid in a cave and offering him his first beer. It turns out this kid had unlocked his mutant abilities earlier that day. By accident and without any intention he had wiped out his entire town, his friends, family, everyone. It turns out wolverine, partly because of his healing factor but also because he’s one who can do what needs to be done, has been set by the x men to kill this young boy. He says that this has the opportunity to incite major mutant prejudice if the public found out.The boy is broken with grief and fear yet wolverine makes his best attempts to comfort him. The comic ends with wolverine exiting the cave. This comic shows some justification for humanity, im against the ruthless extremes they use obviously, but there’s a reason nukes have so many failsafes and protocols. Yes the boy was victim 100% but so was that entire town(265 people).This comic is my favourite as it was the first time I could understand why the humans do what they do.
Btw just to be clear this is only in regards to the marvel verse and actual mutants, im obviously against the irl stuff. This was ultimate x men #41
I completely agree with your take. I haven't read the comics so please educate me if necessary. I think there is a fundamental flaw in the X gene lore which is responsible for this. How much has it been explored in the comics. Bcoz the logical endgame fr the mutants and non mutants would be to essentially figure out this mystery. The example of the boy u gave, he was unfortunately a walking time bomb. Who would unintentionally prove to be destructive fr others.
This is where the X gene becomes slightly odd and takes too much fantastical liberty.
It can literally grant u any kind of powers ranging from shape shifting to controlling weather to growing claws And what not?
There's never really any clarity given as to whether this is a boon or a curse.
@@funkysam1345 It's a boon for some and a curse for others, and an eccentricity for many.
In the Ultimate universe (where the "Wolverine kills a dangerous kid" story is from, it turns out that mutants were a government experiment run amok, maybe or not derived from the corpse of Apocalypse.
In the regular Marvel universe, mutants are a science experiment created by aliens called the Celestials, whose motivations vary depending on the writer- the X-Men and most mutants don't actually care what the Celestials intended though and want to do their own thing.
I disagree. In the marvel universe every human should befriending mutants and loving them since most aren't violent and people who aren't mutants like Bullseye, Vulture, Crimson Dynamo etc cause chaos on a daily basis. In the marvel universe NYC should be an unlivable city plauged on a daily basis by vampires, aliens, inter dimensional creatures, super villains, experiments gone wrong, etc. evil mutants seem like a low priority when people like juggernaut are powered by a literal demon. The marvel universe has to deal with Mephisto, Dr doom, juggernaut, electro etc on like a daily basis and they're worried about being bigoted to a guy who can jump high and has a long tongue like Toad? Or like blob? They are the least of the worries when Galactus frequently threatens to eat earth
The problem is that a minority doesn’t need to be completely harmless or in capable of fighting back to deserve respect, dignity, and the rights others use so easily. Just because a group is capable of harm or self defense does not justify their oppression by those in power.
@@Thed538dhsk my main point was though that due to the mutations being random and uncontrollable it doesn’t matter wether the mutant is violent or not because they may just have or develop a power that is inherently deadly, like the mutant boy I mentioned, he didn’t decide to kill everyone he knew it just happened, and that’s the main difference in contrast to super villains, at any moment any one could just randomly have their mutation activated and literally kill all life in a mile radius or worse, there’s no predicting or stopping it and if anything it seems like the x gene and subsequent mutations are just growing even more powerful through the generations, as in literally rewriting reality and universal concepts powerful
Jubilee: What did we ever do to you?
Graydon Creed: You were born!
Humans are absolutely right to fear Mutants. It’s just two examples, but Charles Xavier can get into anyone on Earth’s minds and make them think, do, or say whatever he wants. Magneto can end all life on Earth whenever he feels like it with one trip to Earth’s poles. Mutants are not inherently more noble than Humans - we both are capable of great good and great evil. The difference is how quickly it can happen if one Mutant felt like it.
Superman is goodness personified. But Batman’s point in BvS was what if he decided not to be? We saw what his people could do and how powerless we were to stop it.
I think some sense they are because it’s putting immense power in the hands of people simply at random. While there are other superhumans in marvel they are anomalies. With mutants, it’s a species of superhumans and considering just how messed up the world is with regular people, a future in which most people in the planet have superpowers is rightfully pretty terrifying.
But if everyone is a mutant, are there still mutants? If everyone is super, is anyone still super?
The problem is that a minority doesn’t need to be completely harmless or in capable of fighting back to deserve respect, dignity, and the rights others use so easily. Just because a group is capable of harm or self defense does not justify their oppression by those in power.
@@Thed538dhsk The issue is that the majority of mutants are not superpowered beings. X-Men and Magneto are outliers. The majority of mutants are harmless like Jazz whose mutant power is just blue skin or Ugly John whose power is just having three faces.
So evn if 'everybody' is a mutant there will still be obvious clear power imbalance because mutant powers range from just having blue skin to becoming a reality-warping god.
@@fbiuzz So you and I agree the problem isn't that all mutants are dangerous but which individual mutant with clear power scaling is the problem or dangerous.
Well, you could say Spider-Man or Daredevil's origins were just as random of an occurrence as a person born with a genetic mutation. All are the result of happenstance out of the individual's control.
17:52 There absolutely is a good answer. A kid can turn out to be a mutant and blow up a city block on accident
I also disagree with the framing of certain X-Men films like the original or Days of Future Past as being ultimately about "putting the best face forward so humanity will accept mutants." The X-Men aren't trying to stop Magneto because they think he will make mutants look bad; they're trying to stop Magneto because he is trying to go to war with humanity. Certain humans like Stryker, Trask, Geyrich, etc. want to go to war with mutants and Magneto thinks that mutants must go to war with humanity. The X-Men want there to be peace between the two. This is a small difference from "putting the best face forward so humanity will accept mutants," but it is nevertheless an important difference
I hate to defend Tucker Carlson, as I am far from a fan of his, but in the clips shown in the video, he is very specifically not talking about minorities replacing white people. He is talking about voter replacement, which is not the same thing as White Replacement. I don't agree with him on this either, but the difference is important
23:20 An important point here is that humanity is NOT united. In X-Men 97, many humans do not hate humanity. This was actually brought up earlier in the video with the discussion of apathy, but some humans are even expressly pro-mutant. This is the core fallacy of Magneto's worldview, which is exactly the same as one of the human villains: grouping together "humanity" or grouping together "mutantkind." When Apocalypse kills a bunch of humans, it wasn't "mutantkind" that did it -- it was Apocalypse. When Bastion's sentinels kill a bunch of mutants, it wasn't "humanity" that did it -- it was Bastion.
This persists throughout the video, such as with the discussion of the Prime Sentinels. Calling the Prime Sentinels "humanity" is fundamentally flawed because these people are explicitly a minority of bigots (Bastion even notes that since public opinion is pro-mutant, anti-mutants use anonymous chatrooms). Similarly, in the real world, there was not a "white people" that hated black people or "straight people" that hates LGBTQ people. None of these groups are united
Ultimately, this video ignores the fact that mutants are not a perfect analogy for real-world minorities, precisely because they have fantastic powers. It's ridiculous to be scared of gay people, but being scared of guys who can explode randomly is much more reasonable. It's much more understandable that someone is going to take your job when they have abilities that make them better at it than you ever could be. I'm not saying anti-mutant bigotry is good, but it is very different from real-world bigotry
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In a certain point of view, humanity concern with mutants is a bit understanble. Not only there are mutants who abuse their power and threatened the world in many occasions (Magneto and Apocalypse) but, if mutants became part of society, their powers could give them an advantage in daily activites. For exemple: Why would a construction company hire humans if they can now have a mutant who can build anything with his mind? How a soccer win a game when the opponents have a mutant on their side? How are people going to survive, to have jobs, when mutants are basically better than them in everthing? Natural some people would become jealous and worried to become obsolete in this new world.
The problem when these people, like the X-men villains, decide the best solution for this dillema is to use extreme methods, trying to erradicate the ones they are afraid/jealous rather than find solutions that benefit both sides. As Xavier said to the Shiar "For one to be more the other must be less". Everthing becomes a competition to see who gets to be at top of the other rather finding solution that allows both to survive.
@alexandrefrauches132 I know X-Men Grand Design changed some things, but in that series it made it look like humans feared Mutants cause of Namor killing a bunch of people, and just associated him being a mutant as an excuse for bigotry
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674I thought Namor was a mutant
@@eduardopantoja9115 yeah thats what I said
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I thought you were saying that there were some stories that Namor wasn't mutant and was only given the title as mutant as an excuse to hate on other mutants
Days of future past deals with humans as enemy, its just also about finding the hope to be able to change that direction, and save mystique, also how it takes magneto, like he went a bit to far, but i would argue magneto scaring the politicians there, was important to at least halt the program , by turning centimaly there, and professor x, to change that outcome.
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I also feel people are more accepting in the marvel universe and IRL of technological progress. An aspect in X-Men 97 i feel wasn't really hammered home but alluded to. Steve Rogers is a technological advancement. Like steroids irl or a form of gene therapy or a pharmaceutical advancement. You too can be like steve Rogers once the serum is brought safely to market but it still has a few issues before its safe for you the public. In 2012's The Avengers tony says everything special about steve came out of a bottle. Tony has a prosthetic like how irl a veteran might have a prosthetic leg. The iron man suit is a technological advancement and one day you too, if you become a wealthy billionaire by strapping yourself by the bootstraps can get an iron man suit.
Mutants like jubilee who is not seen as a threatening person like magneto or even roberto who barely all season even showed his powerset are BORN with their gifts. Average joe will never be able to be born with ability to shoot fireworks from his hands. Leech is born how he is. FOH can't be born with Leech's appearance. It signifies that humans as earths apex predator or dominant species maybe giving birth to humans that surpass current ones in power today. In the show bastion mentions neanderthals going extikct to modern humans. In the first ep the news has a segment on if mutants are the next step in himan evolution. The idea of being born inferior. Cant just use $ or get a prescription to become a mutant. Either you're born as is or not. Either as gyrich says you're born "in vogue" or you're born like average joe. Thats why the hunans wre willing to have prime sentinel tech to feel like they too have an inate identity besides being average joe
That's an interesting take also.
It's a multi layer problem. Look at AI. Humans are also pretty adamant on advancing ai. We want to create artificial life which perhaps surpasses our capabilities. A sentient form of life which is more capable than us. And we fear that too.
But I guess in both cases we either essentially look to income new technology into ourselves and evolve us or essentially ensure that our future generations will be born perfect.
Which is where I think the mutant and x gene lore kinda fumbles. Like I think we need to re imagine the mythology.
As far as I heard, the celestials put this gene in humans. But what was the reason? Evolution or merely just an experiment.
Coz the gene doesn't give all mutants an advantage. It completely deforms some bodies due to which they become socially unacceptable and become outcasts. They have no powers. In fact it makes them crippled.
Exploring it from a science fiction perspective, it's also odd how a single x gene can bring about such diverse range of abilities in humans. One can teleport, one can grow claws,etc.
@@funkysam1345 so True. But we also have cloning and GMO's. The public especially in the US appear okay with advancing AI like Siri or chat gpt accepted. But clones and genetically modifying humans is feared as going too far. But both are in a way artificially made life. But the public feels AI progressing I guess is likely to still serves us whereas clones might overthrow us
@@funkysam1345 that's in the comics. In the OG 90's show and X-Men 97 as an almost updated season 6 of that OG show, it's just random genetics.
Maybe next season with us seeing the first mutant En Sabah Nur or apocalypse we might get answers on origin of mutants
Although, unfortunately, that line of logic does have a pair of flop shaped holes; Fenris.
Literally, they were given the Xgene in utero by Hydra because their dad is Baron von Strucker.
Although, if they became prominent, people would think that the xgene turned you into a Flop version of the Lannisters lol.
To be honest, I think that kind of fear towards mutants would be reasonable if not for a few reasons:
1. The potential for destruction between one mutant and another can vary so massively that this should really be treated on a case by case basis. Someone like Storm or Magneto could potentially end all life on earth if they felt like it, whereas someone like Wolverine is ultimately no more dangerous than a guy armed with a bunch of knives.
2. There are tons of other metahumans who are just as powerful if not even more so than omega level mutants. What is realistically the difference between someone like the Fantastic Four and the X-Men? Or between someone like Spider-Man/Captain America and Wolverine? We know that one got their powers by birth and the other got them later in life through some kind of accident of science, but functionally there is no difference. They're both far more powerful than the average person. And yet only one is persecuted.
Hulk is not persecuted?
If I was a normal person in X-men I would be way more scared of the sentinels than I would be of mutants. Imagine your in a shopping mall and a giant f@cking robot comes crashing through the ceiling and starts destroying the place chasing after one guy because he can glow in the dark or something.
In the first X Men movie, Senator Kelly asks one of his critics "you support gun control, do you not?" And then compares his Mutant Registration Act to gun control. And while Kelly himself is very much a bigot, as shown in his next scene when the cameras are off, I mean, he's kinda got a point there. All it takes is one mutant child losing control of their powers in a public place and even the most progressive parent would have concerns about their children going to school with said mutant. You actually see this in the X Men movies, where Scott loses his glasses and accidently fires off a blast of his Murder Vision. To my knowledge, neither gay people nor black people can pose such an existential threat to normies. This doesn't justify bigotry, but it does muck up the allegory.
And Regan was in favor of gun control to prevent the Black Panthers from actually getting anything done.
It doesn’t have to be a perfect allegory, when the fear of minorities is manifest when every gay man in the 80s is seen as a carrier of a deadly disease, or every black male youth is seen as a gun toting gangster ready to pop off at a moments notice, or every person of middle eastern descent is seen as a terrorist. The fear of the other dehumanizes not just the other but also the self. And that fear also destroys the rational mind.
Mutants born with uncontrollable destructive abilities have no clear analogue in human rights struggles, but that’s part of the superhero sci fi nature of the story, and an avenue to explore other aspects of humanity. Omega-level mutants such as Magneto, Jean, Storm and Xavier are like living H-bombs, and that situation is not something that will ever map to real world struggles with human rights but it can help illustrate the modern world’s struggle with powerful technology and geopolitical realities, as an example.
America has proven time again it doesn't matter how many children is gunned down they'd rather have guns then alive children or even healthy children
The problem is that a minority doesn’t need to be completely harmless or in capable of fighting back to deserve respect, dignity, and the rights others use so easily. Just because a group is capable of harm or self defense does not justify their oppression by those in power.
Not really? When you consider the fact that in the 1st X-Men film the government knows of Xavier they let him visit magneto and runs a school for mutants. They should clearly be working with Xavier on dealing with mutants like w government bureaucracy. And in the comics when hulk, Dr strange, and spiderman are battling monsters, demons, and super villains like everyday, mutants should be humankind's greatest gift to defend against all the craziness that happens on a daily basis. That's why I like X-Factor/X-Force/Alpha Flight. Mutants who work for the give to deal with hostile mutants. Xavier should be part of the presidential cabinet.
New mutants was a terrible move, but Anya Taylor was amazing as Magic she did such good job it sent me down a Magic rabbit hole and she’s one my favorite X-now so it’s worth watching just Anya Taylor killing it
Magik is really fun.
In all honesty, I breathed a sigh of relief when Dani and Wolfsbane kissed.
Mostly because I read academy X and I’d rather Wolfsbane just be the Calvinist lesbian we all wanted.
We should have had an X men film where the X men battle Mister Sinister to prevent him from conducting the experiments that led to the mutant extinction that happened in Logan.
It would basically be a "good ending" to contrast Logan.
I feel like that was the plan for the next prequel trilogy after Dark Phoenix, but because of the Disney buyout, those movies were scrapped. Maybe once the MCU soft reboots, we could see that film.
Something thats been in the comics but not so much in any adaptation is including class into the equation. One of the elements that leads into the Days of Futures Past timeline is the Hellfire Club not only restarting the sentinel program by providing funding to Stephen Lang's mark 3 project but Sebastian Shaw bringing it to Senator Kelly's attention during the Dark Phoenix saga. All because Shaw, Emma and the rest of the club wanted the X-Men to stop interfering in their operations so they could keep their status as mutants a secret, influencing politicians and other buisness owners. Granted, Kelly's assassination by Mystique is stopped but thanks to the Hellfire Club, the sentinel program was restarted
It’s weird to see you talk about how the villain of The Wolverine is allegory for racist fetishization when looking at how the movie as a whole treats Japan and the Japanese characters.
Then again, I guess that’s typical for X-Men.
I never said the whole movie worked, sadly.
Yeah… Claremont’s orientalism was messy back in the day.
And then it led to a weird stereotype that every East Asian character’s family was associated with crime.
The ending of operation zero tolerance comic event is basically shield coming in and capturing bastion
But I guess in both cases we either essentially look to income new technology into ourselves and evolve us or essentially ensure that our future generations will be born perfect.
Which is where I think the mutant and x gene lore kinda fumbles. Like I think we need to re imagine the mythology.
As far as I heard, the celestials put this gene in humans. But what was the reason? Evolution or merely just an experiment.
Coz the gene doesn't give all mutants an advantage. It completely deforms some bodies due to which they become socially unacceptable and become outcasts. They have no powers. In fact it makes them crippled.
Exploring it from a science fiction perspective, it's also odd how a single x gene can bring about such diverse range of abilities in humans. One can teleport, one can grow claws,etc.
The answer is a definite yes; most people don’t remember that it was the Hellfire Club, a shadowy group of mutants who sway governments to their own needs, that planted the idea of the Mutant Registration into Kelly’s mind within the comics.
It only gets worse when he realizes what’s happened to him and his family, causing him to become more fervent in his actions. I’m not sure if this was retconned or merely forgotten about over the years and many writers, but the fact Magneto and Charles both worked members of the Club (Mastermind and Emma Frost respectively) would immediately put me on red alert in anybody’s shoes..
To answer the question, yes. Heck I could explain why with two examples that are from non-mutants(or human mutates as some call);
•The Incredible Hulk, for obvious reasons especially considering the other heroes couldn’t deal with him(especially in the future with Maestro), but it’s important to note General Ross did consider sitting down with Hulk and resolving their differences until someone got trigger happy.
•Spider-Man, most notably the revamp in 1996 of Amazing Fantasy issue 18, where the villain of the story goes over his frustrations with the super-powered beings like Ant-Man, Thor, Fantastic Four, etc and how some idolize them, none of the examples or imagery had a single mutant.
Simply put, Mutants are too unpredictable especially when they themselves don't even know they're mutants yet. They're obviously not at fault for just existing but a generalised fear of their power is completely valid. I believe there was even a story in the ultimate comics where a mutant kid had the power to kill everything around him, but the catch, he notices when it’s too late.
But with that kid...why not just let leech drain his powers? Instead of having leech live in the sewers. Or give the kid an OPTIONAL inhibitor watch. Mutants in the marvel universe really aren't that big of a threat. With how Xavier has a task force/militia that defends people against hostile mutants and the gov has X-Factor/X-Force working for them mutants as viliians shouldn't even really exist outside some mutants like apocalypse. Most mutants powers also such and aren't cool. The X-Men have cool powers but a mutant like blob...not exactly a huge threat to the public. Just get him a job like presidential sous chef and have him work with Xavier to handle his anger issues and he's not a threat unlike someone like electro or rhino or Loki etc
@@Thed538dhskThat seems to be the case, the X-men specifically aren’t the problem with the mutants unless it’s arguably the Telepaths like Jean or Xavier that seem to cause tensions.
Then there’s current Beast-where he became a mutant Henry Kissinger and modified the legacy virus to be used against the Skrulls and screwed with the time stream to bring younger version of the original X-men-yikes, and I thought him being buds with Wonder Man was enough not to make McCoy go to such extremes.
@@LegacyComics100I mean, the moment he sold a homeless black woman named threnody to Sinister was when I knew he was on a dark path.
@@LegacyComics100 All telepaths in Marvel seem to have a suppressed or undeveloped sense of ethics, I've noticed.
@@Thed538dhsk Leech doesn't exist in the Ultimate comics. Ultimate X-Men was meant to show the "hard choices" the main series had allegedly shied away from, hence sending Wolverine to kill him.
What i find most interesting about the human / mutant debate is it tackles two political issues in tandem. Making an actual decision messy to truly take.
One is civil rights. They are flesh and blood people, and need to be allowed to live as such. However, they all have powers and many have ones thst could potentially harm themsevles and anyone around them. This echoes a lot of the Americna gun debates. Ie, do we register and regulste guns to protect people from the harm they do.
Looking at it from the lens of gun debates dehumanizes the mutants, BUT it brings public safety to the forefront of the discussion. Mutants like Magneto are capable of planet level destruction. Human rights or not, people need to know theyre safe with someone like that running around. Or the guy with optic blasts. Or knife hands. Or who cam generate diseases. Not all mutants are bad. And ones eith dangerous powers can control them. But they need the education and training to do so. Training which would need to be regulated and given safety standards.
Exploring it as a combination of these two issues makes the debate more difficult. Imagine if civil rights wasnt just debating the freedoms of a black or gay person. But also they had a nuke in their chest at all times. Suddenly there are more layers and realistic fears to consider in the debate.
The human antagonists of xmen are psychos and idiots who arent willing to discuss this debate like adults. But i cant ignore where these fears come from. Even if its something they arent willing to work out themsevles. Because they come from a real place the comics give many examples of why these concerns are quite valid.
I was expecting your theory to happen aswell. Especially because they “teaed it up” again in the finale.
Yknow, for a research video, you have so many shallow gaslights, I can't help but be impressed.
Let’s hear your take… make a video
Humans can't be allowed to be justified in fearing mutants because that would mean IRL humans would be right to fear the various minority groups that mutants are supposedly meant to be metaphors for.
This creates a paradox wherein now the humans must be written to be stupidly prejudiced which makes it not believable to readers.
i dont really like that cap does nothing
I always preferred the versions of him where magnito genuinely respects and straight up cares for him because he's not the guy who stands on the sidelines like xmen evolution. this is the guy that straight up goes rogue (not that kind of rogue) from the us and becomes the nomad.
dr doom makes sense tho lmao
No but some people hate beings they don't understand and live in wilful ignorance
I mean power escalation makes the argument of the human fear bad kinda convoluted when you have guys like Magneto who can shift Earth's magnetic field and kill everything on the planet if he wants to... And he isn't even the most powerful mutant. So fearing spontaneous popping out of omega mutants and creating havoc isn't irrational. it's a logical self-preservation tactic.
Yet metahumans exist and barely anybody shows that same concern towards them.
The New Mutants was actually not bad, not great...but heads AND freaking tails above Dark Phoenix (I watched it a few months ago for the 1st time & I STILL don't know wtf it was about.)
New Mutants is worth a free watch, at least. Lol
I'm late to the party but there's one thing. A whole bunch of civilians died in this finale right. Every sentinel who was more than a couple feet off ground or over water. As well as anyone who needed electricity-based life support, right. Because apparently everything eletromagnetic is affected unless there's that adaption Storm's boyfriend made for his protesis.
Humanity should fear itself.
We already did buddy. You don't want to know how many time I have to talk myself out of going Vald the Third on my enemy.
So it does.
And then there are people who can disable Earth's magnetosphere in an instant.
Humanity should fear them more.
@@navarog378Maybe the best course of action is to *not* oppress and try to take away the rights from people with these powers and be surprised when they lash out.
@@thelgiver5844 A much safer method would be actually using those power-cancelling collars on people who can disable Earth's magnetosphere in an instant and treating much less threatening mutants as if they were in possession of firearms, so also putting collars on them until they get a licence allowing them to use those powers. Without their amazing abilities they are just standard humans, so this is in no way abusive. Also people with guns instead of arms aren't as threatening as those who can shoot thermonuclear warheads out of the palms of their hands, so there should be grading to this system.
It's just a terrible racism metaphor. Actually, the X-men story could be used by racists as an argument for racism, which is by itself completely illogical and counterproductive, but in this case segregating and controlling the mutants with power-cancelling collars wouldn't hurt anyone and save millions of lives.
@@navarog378 And once you suppress all the obvious mutants, what's next? How far do you go to spread equality?
My biggest thought as you alluded was that the latest X-Men season was incredibly up to date with common issues amongst bigotry and war. It was so well made that it updated my thoughts toward how I felt of the xmen cartoons of my early teens and probably helped open my mind to how to feel about people different to me. 5 stars on the cartoon and great analysis man.
That's an interesting take also.
It's a multi layer problem. Look at AI. Humans are also pretty adamant on advancing ai. We want to create artificial life which perhaps surpasses our capabilities. A sentient form of life which is more capable than us. And we fear that too.
I'm honestly surprised that Marvel Comics hasn't attempted to do a superhero registration act but just for mutants.
They did in the comics. That was the dark future in the comics
They did. The Superhero Registration Act was named after the Mutant Registration Act, which led directly into the Days of Future Past story (and was one of the reasons it was hard to take the Pro-SRA faction seriously- they might as well have named it the Jim Crow Act). The MRA is decades older.
Like everyone else is saying, there was. In the late ‘80s, when the X-Men were living in the Outback, X-Factor was dealing with the government passing a Mutant Registration Act.
X-Men TAS literally opened with the creation of a mutant registration act.
They did, the mutant registration act was attempted first.
5:31, In some ways, it almost goes to far in depicting practicality every human that isn’t Cooper (who mind you, unleashed Erik and allowed him to nearly destroy the planet after his own bigotry towards humanity was reinvigorated by the Genosha Massacre instead of hunting Bastion specifically, 23:07, making yet another adaptation to have Erik revert to being a villain and causing destruction he will then be forgiven for like X-Men: Apocalypse) as antagonist without any regard to their position of being non-powered beings in a world of increasingly prevalent powered beings of varying origins and moral integrity.
The allegories of oppression and discrimination are still worth exploring, 12:30, such as the meta-textual context of individuals unwilling to sympathize or engage with minority struggles. but even with this adaptation, there is a missing element of nuance from the perspective of humans as it delves more into their hatred of mutantkind than their fear of mutantkind, such as in works like The Boys or Invincible for instance where regular humans are justified in distrusting supers because their abilities and status tend to make some of dismissive of the concerns, or in some cases, wellbeing of normal beings (not unlike Erik and the Hellfire Club in X-Men 97’ and their treatment of Cooper).
It should also be noted that in the comics, the X-Gene isn’t a naturally occurring phenomenon and was created by the Celestials along with humanity. They are not the “next stage of human evolution”, just a side effect of cosmic beings experimenting with the power to create life. 17:37, Meanwhile, other supers and powered beings, particularly artificial ones like Steve, aren’t considered a “species” and don’t often manifest within the general populace with random supernatural attributes and abilities to the same degree mutants do, which beyond the meta-textual aspect of mutants specifically being written to reflect oppressed groups in reality, is more logical in-universe reason behind the species being targeted. Both mutants and humans are incorrect in regarding mutantkind as replacing humanity through evolution, though individuals like Erik or Trask are correct in assuming conflict between the species is likely inevitable as their many differences simply make coexistence incompatible with their individual natures and perspectives, individuals like Erik in particular due to his occasional god complex, 10:58, while individuals like Essex and Yashida “fetishized” the X-Gene as a means to gain power.
And with Season 2’s reintroduction of En Sabah Nur (who in the comics was tasked by the Celestials to monitor the development of life on the planet, which fed into his own god complex), the question of what happens when mutants successfully dominate the planet (depending on what future timeline is in place) is presented, specifically if they will truly have a utopian society where all beings are treated as equals or if beings like Erik or En Sabah Nur will rise up like gods, treating the world and its inhabitants as playthings for them to exploit and discard at their leisure. After all, “mutants are humans”, they’re people, just as virtuous or flawed as any sapient being, and not all mutants are created equal, meaning some are objectively superior to others in terms of abilities and may very well lack the same moral integrity as their neighbor. If Erik can drain the planet of its electromagnetism out of spite, then imagine what an even stronger and even less stable individual would do with that kind of power.
36:00, From this perspective, there will likely always be conflict between not only mutants and humans due to how each species consistently possesses a physical and existential threat to the other, but also mutants and other mutants over who is the most powerful, most deserving, as Erik’s musings of humans competing over superiority, even including who is the “best victim”, doesn’t exclude mutants from the conversation as again, “mutants are humans”.
Hopefully, the show bothers to ask more nuanced questions while putting out engaging stories with engaging characters, 31:35, as it’s overall take on the fluctuation of social progress was fairly well developed. I’m personally excited to see En Sabah Nur’s past to see if how comic book history will be adapted, as well as if the Onslaught theories will be confirmed.
I've been thinking for a while that while you shouldn't be hateful to every mutant you meet on the street, mutants as a whole should be feared. They have the collective ability to conquer or destroy humanity or even destroy the planet. It is completely reasonable to fear and want to control that. The Brotherhood confirms this with every action they take
Basically stay vigilant, it is easy for hatred to fester. Do not let it divide us because we are stronger together, the path to acceptance is a long and difficult one but there is hope, some may never accept us but some will and that is why you keep fighting, even if the world fights harder against you because change is possible
And then, after you've won your fight, and you're accepted, another "J" incident occurs, except this time it's in New-York rather than some tiny town, and instead of 250 casualties, it's millions.
What then, genius?
I was hoping the video would actually be about the question instead of the real-life allegory. Obviously there are no legitimate reasons to be scared of immigrants and gay people, but they don't shoot lasers from their eyes or disable all of Earth's electricity. That's what makes the question actually interesting and it could serve as a valuable criticism of X-Men's civil rights allegory.
See that’s the thing. If everyone born in a certain country had the ability to turn their hands into guns it wouldn’t be a wild idea that keeping an eye on them would be beneficial
The movies SUCKED at addressing the issue. My favorite X-Men is Deadpool because.... well..... the writers can't write about bigotry without it being full of unfortunate implications so fuck it.
Also, watching Dr. Doom complaining about war crimes is hilarious
The editing in this vid is chefs kiss
31:20 so what's a taxi driver supposed to do when everybody can fly with your technology?😂
I'd be curious to hear your opinion on the Krakoa era in the comics. I myself am struggling to completely organize my thoughts on it. The concept is an interesting one but I feel like it was meant to be a satire that people started taking very seriously along the way.
I still don't know what to think about that entire era....
Your "Mechanics of Hatred" diatribe deserves a solitary video unto it's own. You nailed it. It encompasses everything that is important to lift the blinders off those who refuse to allow it.
"Humanity is kind of the worst"!?
Where ever did you get an idea like THAT!? You've been reading those history books again,haven't you!?
humanity is by default the worst because we have no real world competition. the kree are way worse
@@EricDillingham totally. The unchallenged become complacent. Complacency eventually gives way to hubris of one kind or another. Our species tends to harbor this delusion that we're WAY cooler than we actually are. As individuals and as a whole.
You summed up America quite well: I’m an American, born and raised. I volunteered to fight for my country, but I’ve grown to realize that the America I was raised to believe in is a fiction.
Yes, humans should definitely fear mutants, because of their powers, and how some of those powers easily are used for evil: Shapeshifting. Power Mimicry. Mind Control. If I lived in the Marvel Universe, I'd never sleep for paranoia that my loved ones weren't real, for a neferious purpose outside my purview. Or that at any moment, my home would be completely destroyed as something as background-filling as collateral damage.
Like the best lies, the bigotry in X-men has a kernel of truth at the center. A certain number of these powers can be genuinely dangerous, and just hoping and praying that the wielding them are virtuous or able to control themselves is a terrible idea.
Of course, the bigotry and hatred seen in the series isn’t the answer; mutants have an incredible capacity for good that should be nurtured, and ultimately they’re just people that happen to have special abilities.
0:00 I just wanna know what you say lol. Like people have pointed out that X-Men isn’t the best allegory cuz a lot of mutants really can just do things like randomly appear in the Oval Office like the end of X2. But I feel like if you
Take away the cool powers it works AND it’s def how our current society would react if we found out there was a new Kind of human
Definitely agree when it comes to the films since non-mutants with powers don’t seem to exist there.
i think the big issue with marvel's handling of mutant kind is that they are never able to outright disconnect mutants from some kind of metaphorical parallel like another race or the lgbt community or something
as has been said in numerous other comments, the difference between the groups that mutants are metaphors for and mutants themselves is that no other group in the real world will reach puberty and suddenly unlock the power to fill people with spores by looking them in the eyes or something
in the real world, other groups are not a threat by nature, its a small number of people in that group choosing to make bad decisions, or the former decisions of members of that group. with mutants, while most are similarly harmless by nature, there are countless ways for a lot of them to just completely stomp out the vast majority of people in the world because they wanted to. and i dont just mean people like that one teenager who developed the ability to kill organic life within close proximity to him.
i mean even people like cyclops, who most would consider a fairly underpowered mutant when compared to people like storm or magneto, could very easily tear apart a sizeable chunk of the planet's population if he went off the deep end one day. and when you multiply that by millions, some with an active desire to harm people and some with passively-active abilities that just kill people by things like being in close proximity or by any kind of skin contact, it becomes a lot more reasonable to expect people to be at least fearful of mutantkind. if i were in the position of a human in the marvel universe, i would be absolutely terrified, and frankly very jealous of the x-men themselves.
Great video man. In a climate where everything is woke and anything to do with black Americans is blamed on us I really loved this show. Every bit of it. No one cares about the brutality and systemic issues until it affects them. Any radical groups in our community are vilified when it’s born out of anger toward the status quo. We have to prove we are the good ones politically and even then nothing is ever done for us that is going to actually help said communities. It’s been actually extremely depressing and this show shows that no matter what we do this country will always hate us and subjugate us until the next group comes along to be vilified. I really appreciate the video man because half the videos I see are the same depressing videos talking down on us and the undertones of this show about racial and social issues that may have changed law wise but hate is taught and a lot see our struggles as dumb since they are struggling too even if the struggles are due to different reasons and some actually have someone trying to help them fix their porblems
I wonder if next season will be "X-Men '98"
As a queer person, I'm emotionally able to relate to the "mutants as an oppressed minority" reading originally intended by the various writers throughout the years. The problem I keep running into *intellectually*, though, is that this reading completely ignores the material consequences of the existence of mutants, and superpowered individuals more generally. Yes, mutants are a "minority simply born different from everyone else," but you know who else fits that description? The children of billionaires (which is to say, future billionaires). The leftist objection to billionaires is that their wealth gives them more power than any individual should rightfully have, regardless of how they use that power (hence the notion that "there are no 'good' billionaires"), and I can't come up with a good reason why that shouldn't also apply to the existence of any superpowered individual whose abilities carry the potential for harm. There's no good answer for why Captain America should be treated differently from mutants because the "mutants as minority" allegory was simply declared as an intention without fully thinking through the implications. The world of the X-Men (and Marvel more generally) has been artificially constructed such that regular humans are motivated by bigotry when there are far more morally challenging reasons for them to object to the existence of mutants.
In truth if you look at Hulk, Spider-Man and the X-Men there was kind of a narrative in the Marvel Universe were humans were saved despite being bigotted against the heroes. Sur the avengers and the Fantastic Four existed but overall it's kind of this thing where "those the public fear as bad guys are the heroes" and it's an interesting trope. I do agree that most superpowered narrative are quite hard to fully reconcile with leftist beliefs.
So leftists agree with mcu zemo, anyone with superpowers is inherently on a supremacist path? @@Bubblegob
Not really. Sure superpowers of these people can seem like a billionaire type situation until you realize the X-Men are in the same world and mostly in the same city where Dr strange fights literal demons, fantastic four fight Galactus, avengers fight skrulls invasions, and hulk is fighting monsters like abomination all while spider man fights electro and Tony fights whiplash with an iron man suit. The marvel universe is a hell scape with superheroes and supervillian battling it out almost every day. 99% of mutants aren't violent if left alone and could help protect non powered people from the constant supervillian that exist. Magneto would be humanity's greatest defender against threats like Galactus or Ultron. Friends of Humanity fearing or hating mutants but not Thor, Hulk, or even billionaires like Tony or kingpin don't make much sense
While Mutants are often victims of humanity's bigotry they are by no means the only ones.
Just look at how the media in their world treats Hulk and Spiderman. They are both heroes but largely seen as monsters and menaces to society.
A big running theme in Marvel is the thankless nature of being a hero.
Now the hatred for mutants does seem a bit unique. This may stem from it being a "natural" progression instead of a man-made occurrence. For whatever reason the idea that people would naturally gain powers freaks people of the Marvel universe out.
@@KrazyStargazer it really shouldn't. Tons of people especially in NYC have super powers and those who don't own tech that basically gives them super powers. Fantastic four are celebrities and well respected scientists but morlocks or nightcrawler is scary? Even thought doc Ock, Mordo, Loki, and Galactus all cause chaos on earth occasionally???
Humans should be cautious of mutants on the same way we’re cautious of other humans. Any human could conceivably be a threat. That doesn’t mean we throw them all in cages because they might be dangerous.
Because… mutants are just mutants. Homo Superior isn’t a species. It’s not even a race or culture. They’re just people. There’s not enough difference between baseline humanity and mutants for them to be considered their own separate thing. It’s one gene.
People should fear mutants the same way they fear The Hulk or Venom. It's reasonable.
What Is *NOT* reasonable Is the persecution mutants suffer. Especially when you remember the same universe where mutants are persecuted for being born with powers Is the same where Captain America, Spider-Man and Daredevil are A-OK.
That's just because marvel writing is dumb
It’s funny that you said we see hope when in the future we see Hope Summers as leader of the askani
I will pretend that was totally intentional and not an incredibly happy accident. :)
That's Rachel Summers, not Hope.
I got the 2 mixed up
There is more genuine discussion about the topic proposed by the title in the comments than in the video itself, most of it just felt like an essay supporting the show's commentary about real life politics, wich was the weakest part of the show by far. Someone else perfectly pointed out in the comments: said commentary falls flat when the persecuted group in the show is shown as a genuine threat to the entire planet. The politics of it all are good to set a scenario where the audience can understand and relate to it in various degrees, but its dog shit when it comes to actual criticism of real world problems outside of the bare bones morals, wich is fine since its a super hero cartoon, but shouldnt be blown out of the water
and the humans have giant robots that track DNA. it's almost like the allegory does no end with the superpowers. but that would require thought and not just passing it off as a "dog shit kids cartoon".
In the Jewish community, we call the theme you talk about throughout this video "the banality of evil." Most people aren't Nazis or Hamasniks, but when enough people become used to Nazis or Hamasniks, their existence becomes banal, _normal,_ and who faces the consequences of evil becoming normal? Jews, gays, freethinkers, neurodivergent people... but also, eventually, the "normal" people, as exemplified by the "When they came for the [blank]" story, and by Bastion's Prime Sentinels.
Im surprised the og series didnt start off with the brotherhood of evil mutants like the 60's comics and Bryan singer xmen film or with juggernaut attacking like pryde of the xmen and spidermsn and his amazing friends. Its interesting the creatives chose sentinels
My take on the whole thing. Well there's two things to keep in mind.
People keep saying mutants are "unpredictable" when thats not always the case. A lot in the comics and otherwise are in control of their powers (though I'm aware there is a small percentage that can't). I'd say people have the right to be concerned but not outright claiming all mutants are uncontrollable walking atom bombs. And for those who bring up the likes of Magneto, that's the fault of him as a person not just his powers full stop.
And also.....its easy to semise about all this in a world like ours. Mutants and Super Powered beings don't exist in our world so we can only really comment on this from our world perspective. However if we were living in the Marvel Universe or suddenly Mutant equivalents began to exist in our world, then our outlook would become very different (for better or for worse depending on the individuals).
Side note: All this talk about Mutants having dangerous powers yet ignore Humanity has just as much dangerous means such as guns, bombs, nukes, chemical weapons etc. If we're gonna fear mutants, we should fear Humanity just as equally in this case.
My only problem with your last part is the fact that there’s a innate difference between carrying a gun and effectively being that gun in one case the gun can be removed stowed away or even caught before it’s ever used to harm anyone way harder to do with mutant powers which can vary far more widely
Sinister's fetshization of mutant abilities kinda reminds me of racists/ transphobes in real life because I've seen some absolutely horrible people (like alex jones) get caught with very "explicit" content of the people they're speaking against. It's honestly fuckin disgusting how they'll ignore the human part of them to take advantage
And it gets worse in the comics with villains like the U-men who see mutants as a resource.
They take out mutant parts and graft them onto themselves. Often unsuccessfully.
And what they did to Martha Johansson is arguably one of the most screwed up things I’ve seen in a comic.
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Alex Jones? Context?
@@whocares6757 Essentially, Alex Jones is a radio host grifter who has gotten into hot water over his commentary on things like School shootings.
@@christopherbennett5858 I know who he is. I meant what explicit things?
Captain America is one of those curious things because I think most of us couldn’t recall where he stood in this 90s universe but have imprinted on the MCU version which I will contend is probably the best version of the character. And he still had to have a disillusionment arc. It was called The Winter Soldier. Cap is part of the system but is loyal only to the dream of it. That’s why he constantly quit under Republican presidents ;)
This Captain America has only recently been freed from a time warp where he'd been battling the Red Skull in single combat for over 50 years. He hasn't had time to ponder whether he should have battled less and questioned more.
Im glad you left in the part about captain America
It’s an out of character moment though, love everything else about this show but not that moment.
@@FantasticFour03-xu3lg I agree. EP 6 with rogue felt in character but the last EP Steve should've protested more. He gave up too quickly. Either don't show him or have him protest more. I'm fine with cap still obeying the president that's in character. He only becomes nomad rarely. It's not like if the government decides something cap doesn't like he just immediately leaves the government but he'll give more pushback. I did like him still obeying orders tho.
While I don't agree with all of your views on the topics you presented in this video, I thoroughly enjoyed and respect this intellectual exercise. Your willingness to explore this topic from all angles and your effort to give an impartial assessment of it is beyond commendable. Excellent job, and here is hoping for many more to come.
I hate to be the one to bring up current issues… but this really resonated with me.
In short, I’m Israeli.
Yes, that DOES mean I’m a Zionist.
No, that DOES NOT mean I believe in “Jewish supremacy” or wish to exterminate Palestinians. I’m actually a paramedic and have treated countless Palestinian patients.
Zionism is the belief that Jews deserve their own state, it’s NOTHING else (and if someone told you otherwise they were probably taught false information).
Watching this show…. Especially the Genosha episode, felt like seeing a precise allegory for what my people just went through. I know that world has moved on since October 7th and decided to only care about Gaza. But we haven’t. Thousands of families are still in mourning. My friends were shot dead while dancing in a festival.
Every day people keep dying of the missile barrages. I hate this war, and I just want it to stop, have everyone return home and to live peacefully.
The days after the attack, I kept feeling like the world would now see what we went through and support us. I felt like violence THAT extreme, could never be supported by anyone. I was wrong.
Just like the show, when they feared the mutant response to the Genosha massacre - Even BEFORE Israel went forward with any kind of retaliation, there were marches in the streets of Europe calling to exterminate us. To dismantle us. “Send us back to where we came from”.
Watching the show felt like seeing true event of my past few months unfold in animated superhero form.
Ok, I need to interject here:
1. Actually, yes, being a Zionist implicitly means you support those things, as it implies that you're perfectly comfortable living on land that was stolen from the people who were there already.
2. The only way the Genosha massacre could in any way be comparable to Oct. 7th is if it turned out Magneto has orchestrated the whole thing to justify a war on humanity, taking advantage of some desperate attack by a people oppressed for nearly a century to make said attackers look even worse, and then spread misinformation and propaganda accusing humans of crimes almost unfit to be printed.
3. The reason the world has been turning their backs on Israel is because we have seen, for decades, how brutally Israel punishes Palestinians for even the most minor of infarctions, or sometimes for no reason at all. The condemnation of Israel has only grown louder because Israel and its supporters have tried so very hard to silence any voices of dissent; why do you think all those lies about UNWRA, college campus protestors, the International Criminal Court, keep popping up? Not to mention the attack happening in the wake of Netanyahu's failed attempt to render the High Courts impotent when it comes to prosecuting politicians, which was already drawing eyes into Israel, meant people could see this war for what it is: a cowardly attempt by Bibi to hold onto power indefinitely at the cost of as many Palestinian and Israeli lives as it takes.
4. You say you're a paramedic who has treated Palestinian patients. Surely you've seen what the IDF has done to them? Or has that group of patients just disappeared since October?
And one more point from interjection 1: No, being Israeli does not automatically make one a Zionist, any more than me being an American means I agree with the treatment of Native Americans in our own history. To suggest such a thing is, ironically, very anti-Semitic, lumping all Israelis into one group, heedless of their actual opinions.
@@christopherwall2121 Being a Zionist doesn’t mean I support oppressing Palestinians. And anyone who has told you otherwise is simply wrong. Zionism - or in Hebrew “Zionut”, is the concept of Jews having a national homeland. That’s it. That’s how it’s taught in Israeli schools. Nothing about how we “should” oppress or harm Palestinians.
Are there horrible people in Israeli who hate Palestinians? Yes, as there are racist douchbags everywhere, in any country. But that’s not the meaning of Zionism. If an Israeli person isn’t a Zionist, that means they don’t believe Israel should exist, and then what’s stopping them from forfeiting their citizenship and leaving? Thus, their mere citizenship as Israelis, is Zionistic - because it follows the belief Israel should exist.
I myself, very much oppose harming anyone, that doesn’t mean I’m not a Zionist, as I still believe a Jewish homeland is necessary. And that’s it. That’s the entire meaning. Nothing facist, nothing racist. Just that.
So did you miss the part where Gaza is essentially experiencing the event of Genosha daily. Yes the Israeli people have a right to peace and security, but running a apartheid state and committing genocide aren't how you provide that for your people. Violence will always breed more violence. We humanity as a whole must learn to coexist
@@ikechristyii4970 With every living moment of my existence I have acted and advocated for co-existence. ALWAYS.
That is why when October 7th happened I felt so heartbroken. My dream, my aspirations, slipped away in an act of horrendous cruelty and violence.
I wasn’t in ANY way diminishing the pain and suffering of the Palestinians. DONT diminish mine.
I mean the ultimate meta on this is the celestials created the externals, the deviants and mankind from a primitive race on earth, and seeded the genetics for the humans to gain powers at some point down the line aka the mutants. So I’m a sense mutants are just part of the game plan by the celestials.
Everyone with powers is
10:30 Essex Corp also appears in _New Mutants_ as the villain (sort of).
Humanity fears what it is told to fear in the modern era, it's a truth about us we need to face.
@Gurlow how specifically do we need to face that truth? Any specific issues?
Humans have ALWAYS feared what they were told to fear. You are describing literally every era in history...
Disgust do shape society after all. But fear do keep you alive. It is not exactly wrong to fear, that is the truth. However it is dishonorable to act on said fear for no basis at all, and freedom to act only meant something when wielded with honor.
I'm pretty sure it's ok to fear someone who's super power is summoning guns, or mind control whenever they want or manipulate biology or create any virus or change the weather or creatw explosions or anything that is destructive or lethal. But I guess by your logic I should ignore basic survival instincts because that's ignorant
Damn, didn't know I clicked on a cooking video!
Wonderful, WONDERFUL discussion
There is a difference
One is skin colour and culture
SECOND IS PEOPLE THAT ARE MYTHICAL CREATURES, ofc I am going to discriminate against mutants
Most mutants aren't that strong. And the X-Men exist for those special strong mutants. And it's in the marvel verse where there are humans that are stronger than most mutants. Heck Tony Stark has more power under his thumb than 99% mutants.
@@ShariarFG ok and? Most humans are weak, they would 100% fear the mutants
@@neimenovani7256 fearing and discriminating aren't the same thing
@@ShariarFG agreed, but all discrimination comes from fear
@@neimenovani7256 nope
I still want to see cap and wolverine team up. Also it might be cool to see beast join the avengers
He was part of the avengers for a long time. Including Avengers 200
Your video is so spot on man. Subbed
This actually reminds me of a character concept i'd had for an RPG.
Guy who's older vrother was a mutant, but he was normal, and a bit jealous. Not in the, "eventually goes evil out of anger at not being "special" sort, but in the "Learns stage magic and mentalism to pretend to be a mutant, too" kind.
The gag would have been them eventually getting accepted to Xavier's school, where half the staff knows hes human and dont care, the other half know and think its a good integration experience for everyone involved.
Students may or may not have known.
Unless he found a way to fool Cerebro, it wouldn't work.
@@christopherwall2121 One in a million malfunction gets him in.
Alternatively, he just applied to the school as if it were a normal school.
@@justinweber4977 They'd know. Unless he had Franklin Richards' powers, they'd know. There are at least three extremely powerful psychics working there, and not a one of them is shy about reading minds without consent.
@@christopherwall2121 All good points. They were mostly a goofy joke I'd made, but figuring out a way to actually make them work would be fun.
I feel the reason why you have people criticizing the MCU for being pro-military/status quo is because of the lack of the X-Men in the MCU (due to Fox having the movie rights at the time), for they are the key to showcase that yes, the Avengers are indeed in the wrong for defending the status quo, especially one where humanity doesn't tolerate mutants.
Well they are funded by the us military
That’s probably why “Earth’s mightiest cops” has become a popular insult for the Avengers
My guess is laziness because they are afraid of making changes to the status quo so that future movies have to mention or make a reasonable references to said change or change the films plot if the status quo change is that huge since script writers like to change their mind about the plot during the production
@@eduardopantoja9115 Also, it does mean that new viewers might overreact and think you have to watch a tonne of other stuff before seeing the movie.
@christopherbennett5858 I'm starting to see why a connected universe film series is a bad idea in the long term.
It's ok when it's just 10 movies but overtime it kinda stacks up