I’d like to see a premium vs budget tire from the same brand. Example: Goodyear Assurance vs Goodyear Reliant. I’d like to see the differences between the tires and if the reputation of the brand matters at all
Or Continental vs subsidiary Barum, or Goodyear vs subsidiary Sava. But just because those smaller brands were accquired by Continental and Goodyear respectively and operate primarily as Conti and Goodyear factories now doesn't mean their own-brand Barum or Sava tyres aren't made using cheaper ingredients to achieve the lower price point (even if they use superseded Conti or Goodyear moulds in some instances). So for that reason, you'd appreciate why Coninental or Goodyear *do not* want those brands compared to their name brands, especially at a testing they are hosting at their test facilities -- it doesn't do them any good to have Barum or Sava look bad. 🙂
@@TassieLorenzo Good point 👍️ It would also be interesting to see how good are third brands, for example Michelin vs. second brand Kleber/BF Goodrich vs. third brand Kormoran/Tigar/Strial/Taurus. Those third brands in case of Michelin seem to be all the same tire/tread pattern, just different branding. I see them quite regularly on cars.
@@TassieLorenzo I've had Sava winter tires and those proved excellent on snow. Now running Sava all weather and so far they did a decent job on wet and dry, we'll see what happens on snow. It's important to note that my car is an old VW Passat and I make barely 10k kms a year with it 🤷🏻
@@butwheresthebeefput tigar on the wife's swift, the tyres on there before were awful in the wet and felt numb. Can't remember what they were as all were random cheapo brands. The tigars feel far better, way more grip in every aspect. So for a shopping trolly car, can recommend
Tyres are hugely underrated and a lot more goes into the design than people generally think. It makes me cringe when people ask for the cheapest tyres at the garage. Its literally the only thing between you and the road, and the science and development behind the top brands is extensive.
A lot of people fancy themselves as expert drivers and that they don't need decent tyres because their skills r so good, heck they probobly think they could drive without tyres at all
Yeah, John Cadogen had a video several years back that came to the same conclusion about cheap versus first rate tires: “So, do you get what you pay for when you shell out the big bucks and buy the premium tyre? Yeah, you do. Undeniably. That time in the pouring rain when the kid steps out and you see them at the absolute last second, that’s when the advanced engineering of the premium tyre does its job and saves someone’s life.”
I wish there was somebody like you here in the USA to compare cheap brands from places like Discount Tire and Walmart. You have fantastic presentation. Clear and concise and to the point! Keep up the good work!
My son worked for a tyrefit place. He would often see people with huge expensive alloys put the cheapest junk on. They spent the money on looking good...not safe. Despite best efforts people don't think tyres are important. I am a 4x4 instructor (25y now) and was an on-road ADI (8y) as well. I'm just considered weird with a rubber fetish.
This is really what gets me triggered, some £500 shaitbox with 1.1L engine... I know it is not excuse, nor it really matters as it still gets to 70MPH on the motorway and still is unsafe, but at least I can see where people are coming from. But when I see £30k Lexus, BMW, Range Rover with 500HP and budgets... it really makes me mad. I have to often battle with the sellers as well, because how often do you see premium and powerful car for sale (even at dealerships) with like a set of Triangles and comment "all new tyres fitted"... as if somehow they making you a favour!
It is actually depressing when I see people with expensive alloys or prem cars and they are running budget tyres. You at least recommend them to go mid range brand as you kinda know they don't perhaps always do the legal limit. But the anger they throw back at you, just explains the depression. Tyres are just important as the engine size....
I've seen some idiot who owns a B8.5 S4 couple years ago when you can still buy them new and spent several thousands on a set of HRE and lowered the car with some bilstein coilovers. And he put a set of Lionhart around the HREs. Whoever does this kinda crap makes me wonder, are your HREs and coilovers are genuine?
@@lp9280 if you see how expensive tyres get with just one inch increase in size, you would know why they do it. Your average drive probably won’t notice much if a difference between budget and premium. It’s only going to be beneficial if they are put in a situation which the tyres save them on, even then, would they realise that they could have avoided hitting something in an emergency if they had better tyres? Who knows. It’s only when you see actual comparisons people can see a benefit. Personally I have driven on all budgets and I would still be fine to use two on the rear and premium on the front on a FWD car now as personally I didn’t feel they were bad, I’m only more inclined to get premium due to what I know. Taxi drivers and high milage drivers obviously will go for budgets when they are 50% the price if not more on larger sizes, plus nowadays many premiums are barely lasting longer in some cases.
Recently I've seen some cars with incorrectly fitted tyres. Inside on the outside and directional tyres fitted backwards. I know it might sound silly but maybe it's an idea for a test? How incorrectly installed tyres affect the performance
@@cammymillard7385I've driven with cheap winter tires with one of them with the inside on the outside: constant whine, but only heard from the outside. People were just looking at me while I passed by. The next tire change, I mounted three of them by error with the inside on the outside: more whine, but still nothing on the inside. These were really poor Minerva S110 that I got with the car with one of them reversed on the rim. I finished them during the summer and had fun testing the ESP. On some wet roads, in a slight slope, the car would lose traction when starting from a stop, even once getting to the second speed.
Thank you for once again proving that you get what you pay for. A few years ago I accidentally stumbled onto the channel after the horrible experience I had with a cheap tire on my previous car. It was a Linglong tire on a Peugeot 207. What initially drew me into tire testing was the dangerous wet behaviour of that tire. Here in the Netherlands we have plenty of roundabouts and that tire on a damp surface was straight up dangerous on roundabouts. After replacing all 4 tires with Michelin Primacy 4 the difference was pretty night and day. The Linglong tires weren't worn or old but even then the Michelins were amazing. So long story short, thank you for educating people on tire choice! I'll be sharing this with anyone that ever asks me about cheap/budget tires.
I had the same issue when I bought a used car with triangle tyres. They would randomly understeer on roundabouts at less than 10mph, it was unbelievably bad.
The problem also is that budget tyres could come with a "tender coat" which make them act very good on dry road... but only for the 1st 1000 km ! Behavior changes very quickly after (slide) and usually they do not have a very long life expectancy.
this is exactly what a friend of mine experienced with i don’t know which brand of tyres on his c220 avant (2012 model).. he said they were sooo gooood very good grip, why am i trying to buy falken or why am i trying to find something better and more expensive? well he made a roadtrip to turkey (2000kms 2 adults 2 kids fully loaded) and when changing lanes on the highway he noticed some sliding.. we’re talking about speeds over 170km/h :)) he bought another set next year
You’re right, I bought a set 6 months ago of a brand call Roadx u11 which is Chinese company related to hankook, next day I took a travel trip for almost 2200km in Saudi Arabia ( hot weather conditions) the tyers performed perfect I really noticed my car became much softer and quieter, but the story didn’t end here, for the next 4 months the tyers became harder and dryer as well as the noise increased, and now I’m struggling with the side wear in all the tyers and this make them more noisy and unpredictable
As a mum driver and uses motorway alot in all weather. Tyre performance is paramount. I always watch these tyre reviews when keeping up with info. Admit not great on the mechanics but I will try to understand. Last years mot, the garage informed me I needed front tyres as worn on inside tread. I have Turanza T005 on but garage said I should just put budgets on (never heard of em, even googled them, Davanti? ). When I said I drive motorway and in all-weather. They actually said that was all rubbish.😮 As it was an advisory, I went to a tyre place. Who then told me nothing wrong with my tyres.. Just needed wheel alignment. They even showed me my tyres... This year MOT garage rang me for yearly. I told them no thank you, on the basis poor misinformation regarding the tyre standards and sent them this link. 👍
I always say that if you need to cheap out on tires, you need to rethink your priorities. Maybe you're spending more than you can afford in general. Tires and brakes are a priority when owning a car.
Great video. Can you do this test with medium range tires (Kumho, Nexen, Maxxis, Hankook) with bigger more sportier cars (19-20’) because thats where the high end tires become a lot more expensive.
@@tyrereviews I always refer to it when buying tires. Great site with plenty of information. I am currently considering Maxxis VS5 for summer tires, but I am not sure how they hold up.
@nikola0707 I've had the Maxxis VS5 for about 18m now on a Mercedes C250 and they are good, never had any issues. I read all the tests and reviews and I chose them as you seem to get the most tyre for your money.
@@tyrereviews reviews by average consumers , not test drivers , so I'd be wary of anything except wear based on kilometres driven . Average Joe doesn't know how much grip a tyre has when they're not driving them on a test track and comparing them to other tyres. Ps. I should know as I test drove cars for years .
I chose a small, economical car that fits my budget, so I don't have to save on tyres, windshield wipers and general maintenance. Yes, it is a small Japanese econobox. But it has served me well for the past 8 years and counting. If you must save money, you probably bought a second hand big car to impress and think you can have the luxury for a budget. You can't, unless you do repairs yourself or are very lucky.
Ive had many SUVs and currently waiting for my Civic Hybrid to arrive. Feels good to be back in something smaller, simpler and honestly - more fun and safe too!
@@technicalitems731 My current vehicle is a 2017 Rav4 Hybrid. I bought it used 2 years ago and while it is a very nice vehicle I noticed that I dont use its benefits that much. Thats why I now ordered a 2023 model Honda Civic Hybrid. Quite spacious inside, compact outside and it handled very sporty on the test drive. I averaged 4l/100km (~59mpg) on the test drive of the Civic e:HEV which was on a bendy mountain road uphill.
Likewise, I daily drive a humble 1.2L Yaris, but with some choice modification and judicious purchase of parts, it's quite a lot of fun to drive, even impressing some of my friends who drive "proper" sport cars. Also I don't really care about dings and scratches, while they get anxiety attacks when going around narrow streets :D
Reminds me of my EP3 Civic Type R when I had it back in 2010. It came with Landsails on the rear, it really liked to suddenly give massive oversteer on roundabouts or corners when it was wet. Quite how these tyres are even allowed to be sold is unbelievable.
@@eTiMaGo That car was run on tyres that were seriously underinflated. Yeah, not the best quality but still wouldn't catastrophically fail on you like that
Now there's a thing. My mum loves her cars, when she had qualified she bought, back in the day, new an Ford Escort MK1, many years later, she bought a Ford assured 18 month old Focus on a whim. It was horrible to drive she'd complain to me, I came home looked at it, and said "there's the problem: those Landsail things". Anyway, she decided she hated it that much she was going to sell it, so I bought it at book price from her: and booked into my local garage in two days time to replace the tyres. I was not driving the car hard, or dangerously, yet my wife and I span it three times once on a slip road, and twice on roundabouts. The Pirellis I put on changed the car, so much so my mum regretted selling it! That said I still don't think the MK2 focus was the best of the breed, especially compared to the MK1.
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I'd be very interested in seeing a comparison between an old test winner tyre (something like a Pirelli P6000) and a modern budget tyre like Sava UHP2 or Nexen. Both new of course. I think that the results would be surprising.
Great video as usual. But what I don’t understand is why tyre manufacturers aren’t legally forced to make tyres that comply with minimum breaking standards. A cheap tyre will kill some one, a premium tyre wouldn’t. How can that be right.
That's why i bought PC7 (225/40/18).Driving the PC7 in the wet is like being in the dry. I drove the PC6 last season and was very happy with them, that's why I wanted to buy the PC7 because I saw on your reviews they improved wet grip even more compared to the PC6. When I press the gas pedal all the way in second gear in the wet, with the ESP off, there is no slipping at all. (211hp 280NM ). In the corner, I tried a couple of times to provoke the car and to squeeze a little more gas, but the car has so much grip that it is impossible to slide. My warm recommendation for these tires! Because of your reviews, I got the PC7 and I haven't regretted it for a second! Thank you very much! Greetings from Serbia!
Great video, I always use the theory of I want the best tyres to give me the best chance when I mess up, I try not to but everyone makes mistakes occasionally. It'd be really interesting to include longevity data to get a £/mile for each of the tyres.
@@tyrereviews perfect thank you! As I thought, "budget" tyres, are even less convincing when you include longevity data. (obviously there are some outliers in both directions for the £/mile for both premium and budget tyres)
The only time , so far, that I have lost a car was when I put off buying new tyres until pay day. A wet road with an uneven surface a slight bend, an old car , Humber Hawk, on cross ply tyres. I took out a large amount of brick wall and the car was destroyed. That was 52 years ago, Since then I always buy New Premium tyres weighted towards wet handling, and never drive them as low as the legal limit. It's a policy that has worked well for over 800k miles. Now I look for low rolling resistance with good wet braking/ handling.
I tried some budget Chinese tyres on my stage 1 audi, the fitter said 'everyone is buying them, really popular blah , blah......'. On a demanding 200 mile drive to Wales It was a disaster so twitchy, and no precision. Changed them back to my usual Goodyear ASYs immediately and swallowed to ££££s in losses. I think there is a place if you only drive to the supermarket and back and various short journeys - anything demanding and especially on cars with some performance not worth risking it.
If you want to save money on tires then find a premium tire on sale. Right now the Pirelli PZ4 are relatively inexpensive because they haven’t updated it in a long time. Other manufacturers have new tires that are definitely better but they are really expensive and hard to find. You can get tires like the Pirelli PZ4 for barely more than a budget tire and unlike the budget tire the PZ4s are actually a good summer tire.
@@tyrereviews in the Eastern United States. I got four 245/40/18 PZ4 tires for $680 after all of the rebates and discounts. Sumitomo and Khumo summer tires would have been $660 for all 4 but those aren’t as good. Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02 tires are arguably better than the PZ4 but those were $880 for 4 tires and the Michelin PS4S were $1,000 for 4.
Yes, times are hard and tyre prices seem to be rising faster than inflation (why is that?). But I wouldn't touch any of these at any price. I run Bridgestone Weather Control tyres on this channel's recommendation, and had all discs and pads renewed at the last MOT. In December I was driving past a school at the 20mph limit. It was pouring down. A mum leading a child with each hand stepped off the kerb without looking (she was wearing a coat with a hood). I did an emergency stop and missed her with about 3 feet to spare. We both went on with our days. Could have been a different story if the car had had any of these monstrosities. Honestly I think there's a case for banning them.
Over 200 ingridients are needed to produce a premium tyres, so if some of theose components are a lot more expensive or much harder to get (and may have to use even more expensive replacements), there you go...
I hope more and more people will open their eyes to how tyres differ in performane/safety. I am still stunned by how little many of my friends care what they put on their cars.
I have a set of wheels with Nankang tires I put on my GTI in the colder months so I don't "waste" my Michelin pilot sport 3S's and honestly there is something really fun about them. I can slide the rear out when going around tight turns and stuff. The car just feels really playful but not in a sketchy way that feels dangerous
Which Nankings though? I'd also love to know how your braking distance compares to, for example, a set of Michelin Cross Climates. Or since those cost more than some cars, vs decent moderately priced tyres like Falkens or something. Whether you should buy winter tyres obviously depends on where you live, here in the southern UK it's easier to just not drive on the 1 day every 5 years it actually snows.
I was never a huge fan of tires until recently. I've started watching your videos a couple of months ago and ever since I've bought 2 pairs of Continental (Winter & Summer, TS870 & PC7). The difference I've noticed is insane, especially with the summer tires. The wet grip is insane, it's literally the same as the dry most of the time. Aquaplanning is pretty good, meaning you won't lose much grip even when driving in extremely wet conditions. They are worth every penny. We haven't had a lot of snow this year so I couldn't try the winter tires in extreme conditions, but so far - they are really good too.
If I rotate my Michelin tyres I normally get about 30k miles, I had some Avon tyres fitted and the grip was pretty good but they only lasted about 15k miles.. at 85% of the cost of Michelins. So in my eyes there is no point buying cheaper tyres in the long run if you want to actually save money. Yeah if you don't drive your car much or need to pass an MOT and selling a car go for it, but if I had a young family or drove a car everyday I would always spend a bit more.
Avons are awful for wear, the same story with me, they were a bit more than budgets and £20 or so less than the premium but didn’t last any longer thsn the budgets
I drive a set of King Meiler Summertires (225/40/18) on my mk4 Golf and for my kind of driving i am very happy. Most of the time i am just chilling and getting through traffic to get from A to B, not to noisy, fuelconsumption seems identical to the Contis i had before. If i step on the gas on some curvy roads i can feel how they get overwhelmed in longer corners, as he sai in the video. Accelerating is a problem with any tire with the 1.9TDI until mid 2nd gear and the contis where about the same, breaking seems identical too. I have a very short offramp from the"highway" here and it is, sometimes for fun, sometimes just not doable otherwise, a full emergency-stop there and it realy feels alright. As far as i can say these re-threaded tires are awesome for everybody doing just the necessary drives from A to B, absolutely usable performance and safe to drive for about half the price of a tire with performance the most will never use. For the track on the otherhand, i don't know, for fun short drives maybe good enough, depends on the model for sure. But for the people driving faster on the regular and needing every % of grip in each temperaturerange could work or not. They do sponsor or deliver tires to raceteams so somehow it does work but i am not in that space. For the fun weekenddrives i would still recommend them. Absolutely good enough.
I can understand why some people buy cheaper tyres, the conti sport 7 is £195 a corner for my ford mondeo estate 235/40/19 whereas that winrun is £84 and another tyre kormoran is £99. Would be an interesting test to compare tyres that are apparently the budget side of premium brands (kormoran, sava, semperit, sumitomo etc..) 🤔 I'm down to 4mm all round on my asymetric 5s and will likely replace with the vector 4seasons G3 or the CC2
The price can add up. I have Conti HDR5s on my Ford (225/70R19.5) and they are around $450 per tire. A full set (my F450 has dual rear wheels) without spare is around $2700 (2100 GBP) plus tax and installation. You can get a cheap tire for $140 or go even more expensive with the Michelin XDS2 at $650 per tire.
I've recently put on a set of Rotalla Setula 4 seasons and have been pleasantly surprised. My local tyre place which I have been going to since I was 17 (and before that if you count in the back of my parents' car) recommended them and while I was a little sceptical I trusted their judgement. One trip round the NC500 in a heavily loaded MPV and I am still impressed as they have handled motorways, wet and dry high speed cornering, emergency braking and even mud and gravel without causing me to come a cropper. No doubt I could do better if I spent more but they were certainly a night and day difference to the 4 mismatched tyres that were on the car when I bought it and I never once felt like the tyres were an issue.
I've bought Tomket twice now. On two different cars, but both Mini S' And they perform quite well tbh. I did 4000 miles on one, and it was fine when I sold it.
I think the biggest issue with budget tyres is a lack of consistency with "quality". Ive seen people rave about Three-A Tyres, and the next person slate them rotten. Its possible that When a "New" cheap tyre comes out the company builds them using quality products, then to gain money back they lower the quality of products they put into them. Or there is just no consistency in the products used to build them at all. Neuton NT5000's another one. Saab and VX forums rave about these tyres, they were the worst tyre I have every used, wet weather handling was terrible.
I remember the saab forums loving that tyre. Just because a collective mind says something it's good, it doesn't mean it actually is. All it needs is one or two people with no experience of good tyres to try and them post how great they are then everyone follows
I see the sense in getting the best deal on any of the Premium brands and I've tried the next level down for winter tyres but in reality skimping on tyres [or oil, suspension n brakes] is not a good risk/reward for me. Starting my motorised career on 70s motorbikes even with Japanese tyres of that era certainly helped me figure this out.
I've got a Fiesta ST MK8 and it had Michelin pro Sport 4 on it and it handled like a dream, I tried to be a cheap gate and put some Autogreen sport chaser and some runway sports on the car. It now scares the living daylights out of me, the handling is tripe, no communication to the driver, understeer, tram lining, they are coming straight off. Pay the extra and feel safe.
As pointed out, it's the wet grip that absolutely tanks with budget tyres compared to upper end.....it literally can be the difference between life and death.
I recently and reluctantly fitted Michelin’s budget brand and they grip far better in the wet than the P Zero’s they’ve replaced, I’m actually quite confused by it because they were half the price.
Man I hate everyone in my family having the opinion that if there is legal thread depth left you should not get new tyres.. Just experienced a (safe) surprise grip loss last summer on a motorway ramp curve with my 5y old set of Goodyear UG perf2 tyres, which sounds exactly of the behavior that these cheap tyres do brand new. I gotta replace the tyres with new ones, but hate to once again get shouted at that I wasted my money. 😖 Cannot not say about the purchase, because there really can be a life saving difference.. *switched to winters soon after the surprise slide, that´s why summers not replaced already..
Yeah, modern tyres last much longer (thread wise), but perish in a few years (due to age). So it might be better to get great performing tyres that don't last long (thread wise), so you will get them replaced in say 3 years becaue of low threads (just as they start to degrade from age anyway), rather then getting very good tyres that last twice as long (thread wise). For example, I am thinking Pirelli P Zero compared to Michelin Pilot Sport 5 (or S5).
Definitely going to save that video when I'm having the discussion again why I spend so much on tyres and why it's not worth to save a few bucks on specifically this part of the car. Never save on Tyres, Brakes and Suspension they keep you on the street.
When you see dash cam videos of people randomly losing control on a wet highway, now you know why. They are people who are completely ignorant of their tires. I only run premium all season tires and change them before they reach the wear bars, usually around 4/32”… you’re welcome other drivers.
I've never been interested in the cheapest tyres, I'm not interested now and I hope I never have to be interested in them. But I start watching each of your videos by giving a like. You're doing a great job for everyone. Thank you and... people - don't buy Chinese tires.
I went into a car meet one day and saw decked out tuned cars everywhere (LED neon lights, underglow etc.). Few drivers got so smug about my own daily grocery getter that wasnt even a sleeper and starter talking smack about me. One of them asked me to race, so i took a look around his car and he had like the cheapest second hand tyres installed on his decked out tuner car. I knew for a certain that this guy will either crash into me or into a wall across the track. I declined his offer which boosted his ego and had a race with another guy. He also had like the cheapest second hand tyres. They had a race around the track and suprisingly, none of them crashed somehow. It was a close finish but the one with bigger ego won. I decides to do few laps on my own after that and i was 7 seconds faster with my grocery getter. They had 100kw more engine power than i did yet still did better job at track. They complained that i had engine swapped, added turbo, increased torque, changed gearing or something but it was just me using Goodyear Asymmetric 6 tyres. Both tuners earlier were pissed off and increased their speed on track but no matter how well they drove, they had worse and worse lap times by tenth of seconds each time (Tyre wear had kicked in). They gave up later on and drove away. Kind of dissapointing that they didn't crash their cars but they sure as hell felt humiliated.
I think you can test the premium tire company make budget tires. For exp Continental - Barum or Matador, Goodyear - Sava or Debica, Michelin - Riken or Kormoran, Nexen - Kennex, Hankook - Laufenn. Most people buy these tires because they made by premium tire company.
Im a big fan of uniroyal rain tyres. Always raining in the UK and these Always feel planted and sure footed. They are a soft tyre and wear out faster than some but they are very reasonably priced compared to higher premium brands.
It's not always raining in the UK. It stopped for a couple of hours last week. I'm working in Wales this week, and noticed that the front tyres a just above the legal limit. I've ordered a couple of premium tyres. No point skimping. Premium tyres last so much longer they save you money in the end.
I bought triangle 16" tires once because i needed them yesterday at that point, i now bought 4 brand new 18" Continental tires for my summer rim set, never going cheap again
Hopefully, this review will encourage people to think hard about tyre choice. The difference between 4 Contis and 4 Cheapies is about £130. Times may be hard, but that is not a large sum, whichever way you look at it.
I use a very cheap allseason tire. ONE very cheap allseason tire. as a spare. the last spare was 10 years so it was time for a replacement. in these 10 years I used it once. for like 3 kilometers from home to tire shop, getting my good tire repaired, back home and change it out. for like 8 minutes of driving in 10 years I'm sure a cheap one will do. ONE cheap one.
I've never heard of those names, but I have another list of really bad tires: Linglong, Sunny, Riken, Fortune, Premiorri, Aoteli, Zeta, Grenlander, Mirage, Mazzini, Star performer, Radar, Chengshan, Torque, Landsail, Minerva, Sunful, Paxaro & Diplomat. If you ask me, I'm more interested how the mid range model tires perform: Kumho vs Hankook vs GTRadial vs Falken vs Pirelli vs Good Year vs Barum vs Dunlop vs Bridgestone vs Nokian vs Vredstein and others that I don't remember right now... I usually vote for one from this range, because I don't really need the ultimate grip because I don't drive on a track or very aggressive.
Now its time for the video every one wanne see. The top 3 VS. GoodYear Eagle F1 6 VS Michelin Pilot Sport 5/5s VS Continental PremierContact 7 🎉 that wil be the video of the year!!! Thank you. You are the best Tire Reviewer in the world. Lets go 🏁🏁🏁
To me a budget tires are Sava, Fulda, Barum, Nexen and some Kuhmo models. I would actually buy and mount those on my vehicle with the stipulation of driving normally with the posted speed limit. Driving dynamically and sending it in corners only with premium tires Cheap tires for me are Semperit, Linglong, Matador, Novex, Federal etc those should be avoided at all costs
I have one set of wheels that have nankang ns20's. And that is because it's the only brand that makes 195/45/15's. But i never drive that car in the rain. And never during the winter. Also it's a Citroën AX with 44hp. So for the things that i use it, it does the job just fine. But my other car (Dacia Dokker) does have Michelin Crossclimates since i use that car everyday. And they have saved me a couple of times.
340+ comments in 8 hrs since the post…. Wow! This was a topic of interest. I surely clicked on it because of what it is about. This is the perfect video for the naysayers. Love it!
I used to buy continental EcoContact 6s but they was £65, this time they was £85, I decided to try a pair of Hankook Eco 2s for £65 and they seem pretty well matched to the continentals, funnily enough the tread pattern looks very similar and apparently the Hankooks have better wear but I'll believe that when they need replacing (assuming they last a few extra miles).
Just touching on the Nankang quickly. A good few years ago now a friend of mine, along with a bunch of other British lads, went to SA to race their 2.0 hot rod oval track cars. They used the SA control tyre which was this cheap Nankang thing. My mate absolutely loved them even though they couldn't get near the pace of the British control tyre (Hoosier Street TD). He said they were just fun, break away was more progressive, lasted longer (even in the Africa heat!) performance didn't really drop off when they were a few races old and above all they weren't Hoosier money 😀 good old Nankang. Crap, but somehow endearing.
So the difference between premium and cheap tyres are €30 to €40 which is 120 to €160 a set.. if u divide the cost of ownership by 4 or 5 years that's nothing plus the cheaper one might not get to 4 to 5 years driven in similar conditions so the premium tyre is money well spend could even save u money in the long run
I watched your video and fitted 4 Tomkets to my e90 330d M sport. There was a mixture of tyres on it previously due to the previous owner/garage including Hankook and this is the best budget tyre I have bought. Very stable in greasy conditions, good grip in the dry and way better steering feel. I have had the usual Michelin, Goodyear, Pirelli, Avon, Uniroyal Rainsports, Dunlops etc and only the Uniroyal and Goodyear F1s seem a fraction better at sane road speeds. I think the Tomkets would perform well against a lot of mid range tyres. Recommended as is your video😊
I've always owned powerful cars. From my first, a 1954 Oldsmobile Rocket 88 which I owned in 1963; through Rolls Royce, Bentley, Jaguars, Mercedes-Benz up to my current Lexus GS300 SE-L. I've also raced for 60 years, so I have a little knowledge when it comes to tyres. Much of the handling characteristics depends upon heat generation. A well-warmed tyre will always tend to give better grip, comfort and stability than a cold tyre. This is of course due to the generated heat causing the tread surface to become softer and and adhering better. Back in "the day", many amateur race teams achieved great success on Colway racing remoulds. They were brilliant but very short-lived. I've used "Continental" brand tyres and they're excellent. My Lexus is on 245/40/18 Hankook tyres all round; and they suit the car perfectly. So, in my opinion, heat is a key to the best handling. There's little point in paying too much attention to compound grades when it comes to general road use. You're never going to be running anywhere close to racing heat; so my advice would always be...drive using common-sense and care; watch your pressures very carefully, and never, EVER race on a public highway! Great video, you clearly know your stuff. Sorry about the demise of your good friend - but he was standing in the middle of the road.
Not all budget tyres are the same. There are some that are owned by the big reputable brands or made in the same factory as some of the bigger brands. And just because its a chinese brand, remember that the parent company is no doubt incredibly wealthy and can afford the latest technology. Or they can source really good quality natural rubber in Asia and be made in a factory that has close to 100 years of experience and has had government contracts etc.
I had been waiting for such comparison for very long time. So thank you for that! I hope you are able to make comparison with worn out premium tire and brand new budget tires.😉💪especially for winter tires.
Fun fact - I put Dunlop SP sport on my MKV GTI to replace the factory Contis. They were horrendous on everything except wear. Replaced with Premiumcontact 5 a few years ago and they were light years ahead of the Dunlops. Something often overlooked is that a cheap new tyre may well feel better than a worn out premium tyre at first, but that's a massive deception. Go premium - only 120 quid more than the rubbish stuff.
In my opinion, budget tyres definitely have a place in the market because, from experience in the auto industry, there are people who struggle to make ends meet. And those people may just write off new tyres all together and drive on outright unsafe tyres simply from the mindset that they cannot afford new tyres. I would rather fit a set of brand new no names onto a single migrant mothers car for $240 rather than send her away with a quote for $640 knowing she wouldn't just come back, but likely not visit any other shop in fear of the same unaffordable quote.
This, we can't all write off the budgets all together because we're just a bunch of car enthusiasts. They have a place for people who are just trying to make ends meet.
The question is why would you make a child having no money and risk child’s life by using these shitty tyres with crazy braking distance? Walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walkie!
I disagree... because they only saving money in short term and even then the saving is not that great. Honestly car ownership is very expensive, insurance, road tax and even fuel over the year way exceed the price of the tyres and overall it makes minor difference in cost of ownership, but major difference in safety. The biggest problem which is not shown here is thread life, so not only these tyres are literally unsafe on the road, but they most of the time end-up costing more per mile. Put on the Michelins and they likely to last 30k+ miles, most budgets disintegrate in 10k... So here is the math once per 30k miles you can pay £90x4 for Michelin = £360 vs. £55x4x3 for budget = £660. Where are the savings? And that is before we even consider that worn premium tyre retains at least some of the grip, whereas worn budget is completely unpredictable. I know it may sound cruel, but if one cannot afford the tyres, then I don't think they should be on the road... simply because we should ask question - what else critical to the safety they could not afford? And by the way - I am not saying just buy Michelins, but there are plenty of "mid-range" brands that are not outstanding, yet they are at least safe. Take Kuhmo, Uniroyal (Michelin), Gislaved (Continental), Sava or Debica (Goodyear), Toyo etc. Often they are like literally £4 more expensive than most trashy budgets, but they have twice the tread life and they are at least "safe". And by the way - I can sort of look past the budgets on some £500, 1.1L shaitebox... but how often you see £30k BMW, Lexus or Range Rover with 500Hp for sale with set of budgets?! What is the explanation here?
@@hohloyumor Yes I know, but I had to walk away from several cars and they thought that I am the one who is unreasonable! It literally happened in the dealer, where I was looking at premium nearly new car and I said, I will buy it, but I either want £1500 discount or they have to replace tyres... and they were like "mate, those tyres are new, they are road legal, you are unreasonable here"... road legal my ass! They have thread, but they literally have no grip! That is why I think they should be made "road illegal", else there will be always be greedy people looking for suckers!
Superb test. If it stops one accident, one impact and one person not buying these, it's done its job. However, it doesn't help that mid market and premium are so, so, so expensive now... I have pointed some people at part worn premiums ...
Really interesting to see how shite these are! One thing I find really frustrating is when tyre retailers/dealerships/garages try to sell a brand as mid range or premium, and I feel like Davanti is a brand which is used for this purpose quite a lot when its as bad as the rest of them! Landsail seem to be another brand where they are trying to market it upwards too.
Good on you for doing so. I know the resulting conclusions aren’t likely to change, but it would be good if the most popular budget brands continue to be tested in the future as this is definitely going to prove beneficial to a lot of people 😁
They probably have a higher profit margin than the premiums. When I got my Michelin PS4's from Blackcircles(with fitting), one local place I rang for a quote laughed and told me they couldn't even get them from their supplier for the price I paid!
I bought a used car with Landsail Sentury Qirin 990 on, and to be honest I never checked what brand or model it was. My experience is that they do the job with nothing that stands out in a bad way, which is why I bought a new pair now that the old set was worn down. I know now how they work which made it a lot easier to choose these tires, but I will be honest and say that I'm not sure I would even look at them if I did not know given they are socalled budget tires. What is so often overlooked is that you have to always drive in relation to what car and parts it is rolling with, and what road conditions and which season it is etc. You will get used to driving on winter roads with winter tires when that is the case and you will get used to driving with summer tires when summer is here. What is necessary for most people is simply a matter of what you feel confident in, and you won't fully know until you have tried this or that. Personally I have no issue paying what quality cost, and the quality has to translate to your actual needs. I will admit that you should be mindful with things that cost less, so do your own research. Sometimes it can be utter garbage and I do know that, I just had to question myself this time when I had to get a new set of rubbers because I honestly have not had any weird or dangerous situations with those tires. My experience is that I just haven't thought about which tires they were, and that is a testament in itself that they at least must be good enough for normal driving with a family car. As I said, do your own research because it's not always bad.
Very interesting. I do have one question tho. Could u make a video about old tyers vs new ones? Not the old ones where there is no profile anymore. Just old. Like 10years old tyers. Are there any issues? Like hardening, deforming and so on. And does the handling change?
I would love to see that, as I am currently debating if I should still use my 10 year old tyres, because they have enough tread left and it feels like a waste throw them out
@@seowebua hahaha had the same issue but i am right now on my way to get new ones. Hahaha. But it would be very interesting to know. Since in Europe people say u should change tyres every 4 years.
@@crimsonsnow5888 lmao yeah, manufactures say that you should change tyres every 5-10 years, but, I mean, obviously they would say that) I literally couldn't find any good test on youtube featuring old with enough tread vs new. If the difference in performance is up to 5% than I'm ok with that, but if more - that would literally be the difference between good and cheap tyres like in this video
@@seowebua true. But here in hermany there is a law preventiong selling *new tires at a dealer later then (i think 2 years) after production (DOT). So there might be a reason. I hope he reads the comments and makes a video about it 😂
I’ve just recently got my hands on a set of DOT4922 Eagle F1s size 225/45R17 for 344€, which is a steal imo. A set goes for 428€ at the local shop. So you can get good tires but you’ve got to go go the supplier, call around a bit, go get them places.. the most convenient solutions are usually the most expensive.
You should include some high speed braking as well. I’ve noticed that the biggest difference between budget and quality tires can be felt when doing an emergency brake from ~200km/h. It feels as if you’re trying to brake on snow
Not very relevant in UK, but agree - 60MPH is bit low, 70-80MPH is more realistic speeds for motorway. As well deep standing water is very dangerous for any tyres, but particularly for budgets who don't have good balance. Premium tyre my aquaplane for a little bit, but you may still point to the right direction, where budgets (god forbid mismatched ones) will likely to send you into the spin.
@@lp9280 60 is the speed limit you'd be doing on country roads. where you could come round a corner into something unexpected. For the most part on a motorway, you can see something develop and brake earlier.
@@cjmillsnun how many times you have seen multiple car pile-ups on country lanes? Now ... how many times you have seen multiple car pile-ups on motorway? I am not saying that there are no hazards on country lanes (in fact they are statistically most dangerous), but to say that there are no hazards on motorway for most part is not quite true either. Is it?
@@lp9280 Definitely see at least one pile up once a month on the M6. Your not wrong there. Much worse when we get snow and people driving budget summer tyres still going 70mph lol
@@SynchroM3h You know what is worse than people in winter on budget summer tyres? The people who fit all seasons and think that now they are invincible and can drive like in summer, despite having no previous experience of skill driving on the snow. The difference is really only that on summer and especially budget tyres, one will feel that they have no grip right away, so likely they won't even be able to reach the speed... on all seasons they grip, grip, grip... until they don't, so they kind of give false sense of security if one doesn't know what they are doing. And this is not criticism of all seasons - they are great in UK when temps are 0-8C, slush, wet snow, mud etc. they are good for that. But at -1C if there is even a little bit of ice forming, they are as good as summer tyres, on ice literally no difference. Packed snow is different matter, but in UK we don't get packed snow, so kind of irrelevant. We go wet, wet, wet.. ICE.
Bought 4x Rotolla for my BMW. Rear tyres lasted 1 season and the traction in rain was poor. Got Michelin for the rear and after 2 seasons they still going strong. Wet condition traction difference is enormous between Rotalla and Michelin.
The Doublecoin is basicaly a flip coin gamble but with both sides loosing! I think somebody found a compound receipt in an old safe dated back to Summer 1985. P.S. Even the summer doesn´t even started, can you include the Maxxis AP2 in your All-Season Review this year? These rubbers are currently mounted on my wifes new car and so far they do okay. Would like to see a more aggressive opinion.
Why didn't I think of flipacoin! I don't have it in this years test, sorry. There is some test data on the site but it's pretty dated now www.tire-reviews.com/Tire/Maxxis/All-Season-AP2.htm
Yes, I noticed that UK market is full of brands we don't know in Europe, mostly from China. On European market cheap brands are still made as a budget alternative from one of the tyre concern(Dunlop has Sava, Dębica and Fulda on different markets, Michelin = Kleber, Uniroyal etc.). I wouldn't compare these brands with chinese tyres.
@@tyrereviews so maybe there's a rabbit hole of even cheaper tyres like the brands you've mentioned that I don't even wanna know. The tyres from brands I mentioned above have in most cases older technology from the companies that spends millions on R&D and are good alternative to more performance oriented models from so called premium brands. Especially for someone with moderate driving style.
Another great review. Thanks to you I bought a complete set of Hankook Kinergy 4S2 before the winter for my Ford Puma and although a little less rewarding than the OEM Goodyear's on the dry they are a great choice on light snow and wet roads.
It's terrifying how many premium cars you see going around with the cheapo tyres. But at least they're doing better than those in the entry level BMWs and Range Rover Evokes with totally worn out tyres on. You rarely see sensible mid rage cars in the same situation.
People driving cars beyond their means, quite easy to go buy a 10 year old German performance car but not so easy to handle the cost of running them and maintaining them.
@@tyrereviews Wut? I watch a channel with a guy from the Nederlands, and he bought Pirelli Powergy tyres for his Brera. Anyway, what are Powergy tyres? A competitor to Michelin Energy Saver?
Eh no! When it’s the difference between keeping people safe, your family, avoiding an accident, it’s not worth it. Let alone that wear and fuel on cheap tyres is usually more. Ditch finders should not be allowed to be sold. Scenario, I have to brake hard in the wet in my premium tyres and the person behind is on shite, I get rear ended possibly causing serious injuries to my family. All the while I’ve stopped before hitting anything. I’m in the trade and I’m disgusted at how many expensive cars get shite tyres fitted but their cheap skate owners who should by rights be driving something at half the price. PCP made everyone afford Audis, Bms etc but not afford to run them when they should’ve bought a Toyota!
I'm 22 and I've been driving in a 1999 Nissan micra for the last 4 years. It lacks ABS and it's fitted with the cheapest tyres I could find (£150 for the set) I though it was ok since they are relatively new and have a lot of thread depth but this video opened my eyes
@@zstation64 not if they’re from a reputable tyre dealer. I have used them on older cars for years. You know by looking at them if they’re damaged. I always check them thoroughly.
I am thankful I learned the importance of planning ahead for safety. I also don't buy the cheapest fire extinguishers possible just because of the great probability of never needing top line performance.
I'll bet you go around looking at all the Karens' cars that are out there asking for speed cameras and lower speed limits they are driving on these dangerous tyres. 34km/h residual speed will kill someone so why aren't we mandating minimum tyre performance in vehicle annual inspections and certifying tyres based on minimum performance standards?
Great content. Thanks. My worry is the person behind me, driving his very old big car, 5 metres or less from my rear bumper, at 75mph. His car isn't properly serviced, and as it's a BIG car, those big tyres are just so expensive. Solution: buy some really cheap and dangerous tyres, and save money by running them until a bit of the tread is totally gone.
Tyre tests are of necessity trying to put a score on the tyre to compare one between another. However, for me the most important aspect that is difficult to quantify is confidence, it matters so much that you can have the highest performing tyre in all the various aspects and it won't perform from A to B because the confidence that you know where its limits are is missing, whereas a lower performer in individual tests might instill such confidence that it will out perform the other tyres A to B performance. I have had all sorts of budget tyres presented to me on various cars and without fail they have not performed and some have been downright frightening! Even the top performing premium brands don't perform for me even though they win tyre test reviews. Contis often come out near the top and on that recommendation I have bought a set and found that whilst they were obviously good near the limits of grip I didn't have full confidence. I have found Pirellis (P7s) for example, don't give any indication as to what is happening until its too late so that I won't consider them at all I have now settled on one brand that consistently provi8des me the confidence such I get from A to B quicker and more relaxed - that is a big win. .
@@ashkanm.362 I didn't want to get into a discussion about individual preferences as that would distract from the generalisation of my comment but since you ask: Goodyear F1 Eagle - Mercedes W124 500E - a real high speed winner Goodyear Asymmetric - Skoda Octavia 2.0Tdi - incredible handling Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance - Mazda 3 Sport, VW Beetle 1303S - unstickable Goodyear Ultragrip M&S - Skoda Octavia 2.0Tdi, Mazda 3 Sport - great handling/grip in cold weather.
These videos help get a general idea of which tires I would want, but I would like to see some use on regular roads that have bumps, highs and lows, and different angled corners.
I've used the Nankangs and Davanti. They're both plenty good enough for normal everyday motoring. Plus the Davanti Accidental damage guarantee is outstanding. If you damage a tyre you get a portion of your money back on that tyre, depending on how much tread is left. Now having said that my tyre dealer can get Toyo's for not much more money than these, so that's what I usually go for
I’d like to see a premium vs budget tire from the same brand. Example: Goodyear Assurance vs Goodyear Reliant. I’d like to see the differences between the tires and if the reputation of the brand matters at all
Or Continental vs subsidiary Barum, or Goodyear vs subsidiary Sava. But just because those smaller brands were accquired by Continental and Goodyear respectively and operate primarily as Conti and Goodyear factories now doesn't mean their own-brand Barum or Sava tyres aren't made using cheaper ingredients to achieve the lower price point (even if they use superseded Conti or Goodyear moulds in some instances). So for that reason, you'd appreciate why Coninental or Goodyear *do not* want those brands compared to their name brands, especially at a testing they are hosting at their test facilities -- it doesn't do them any good to have Barum or Sava look bad. 🙂
@@TassieLorenzo Good point 👍️ It would also be interesting to see how good are third brands, for example Michelin vs. second brand Kleber/BF Goodrich vs. third brand Kormoran/Tigar/Strial/Taurus. Those third brands in case of Michelin seem to be all the same tire/tread pattern, just different branding. I see them quite regularly on cars.
@@TassieLorenzo I've had Sava winter tires and those proved excellent on snow. Now running Sava all weather and so far they did a decent job on wet and dry, we'll see what happens on snow. It's important to note that my car is an old VW Passat and I make barely 10k kms a year with it 🤷🏻
@@butwheresthebeefput tigar on the wife's swift, the tyres on there before were awful in the wet and felt numb. Can't remember what they were as all were random cheapo brands. The tigars feel far better, way more grip in every aspect. So for a shopping trolly car, can recommend
Tyres are hugely underrated and a lot more goes into the design than people generally think. It makes me cringe when people ask for the cheapest tyres at the garage. Its literally the only thing between you and the road, and the science and development behind the top brands is extensive.
True and i see a lot of expensive and fast cars with cheap chinese tyres lmao ..
Times are hard, money's tight. Just drive slowly.
lots of stance guys ive seen run cheap tires since they shred them up anyways. but yeah i see your point.
advertisement is extensive as well for top brands, but that's why we have unbiased tests :)
A lot of people fancy themselves as expert drivers and that they don't need decent tyres because their skills r so good, heck they probobly think they could drive without tyres at all
Yeah, John Cadogen had a video several years back that came to the same conclusion about cheap versus first rate tires: “So, do you get what you pay for when you shell out the big bucks and buy the premium tyre? Yeah, you do. Undeniably. That time in the pouring rain when the kid steps out and you see them at the absolute last second, that’s when the advanced engineering of the premium tyre does its job and saves someone’s life.”
I wish there was somebody like you here in the USA to compare cheap brands from places like Discount Tire and Walmart. You have fantastic presentation. Clear and concise and to the point! Keep up the good work!
The value of this channel cannot be overstated! Thanks again man!
My son worked for a tyrefit place. He would often see people with huge expensive alloys put the cheapest junk on. They spent the money on looking good...not safe.
Despite best efforts people don't think tyres are important. I am a 4x4 instructor (25y now) and was an on-road ADI (8y) as well. I'm just considered weird with a rubber fetish.
This is really what gets me triggered, some £500 shaitbox with 1.1L engine... I know it is not excuse, nor it really matters as it still gets to 70MPH on the motorway and still is unsafe, but at least I can see where people are coming from. But when I see £30k Lexus, BMW, Range Rover with 500HP and budgets... it really makes me mad. I have to often battle with the sellers as well, because how often do you see premium and powerful car for sale (even at dealerships) with like a set of Triangles and comment "all new tyres fitted"... as if somehow they making you a favour!
It is actually depressing when I see people with expensive alloys or prem cars and they are running budget tyres. You at least recommend them to go mid range brand as you kinda know they don't perhaps always do the legal limit. But the anger they throw back at you, just explains the depression. Tyres are just important as the engine size....
I once had someone show me his $6k suspension with the cheapest tyres possible attaached
I've seen some idiot who owns a B8.5 S4 couple years ago when you can still buy them new and spent several thousands on a set of HRE and lowered the car with some bilstein coilovers. And he put a set of Lionhart around the HREs. Whoever does this kinda crap makes me wonder, are your HREs and coilovers are genuine?
@@lp9280 if you see how expensive tyres get with just one inch increase in size, you would know why they do it. Your average drive probably won’t notice much if a difference between budget and premium. It’s only going to be beneficial if they are put in a situation which the tyres save them on, even then, would they realise that they could have avoided hitting something in an emergency if they had better tyres? Who knows. It’s only when you see actual comparisons people can see a benefit. Personally I have driven on all budgets and I would still be fine to use two on the rear and premium on the front on a FWD car now as personally I didn’t feel they were bad, I’m only more inclined to get premium due to what I know. Taxi drivers and high milage drivers obviously will go for budgets when they are 50% the price if not more on larger sizes, plus nowadays many premiums are barely lasting longer in some cases.
Recently I've seen some cars with incorrectly fitted tyres. Inside on the outside and directional tyres fitted backwards. I know it might sound silly but maybe it's an idea for a test? How incorrectly installed tyres affect the performance
And driven by Mr Magoo.
i feel like for daily driving, the noise would just be horrid, potentially when going hard and fast round corners in the wet, youd see some trouble
With Bridgestone Blizzak was a huge difference
@@cammymillard7385I've driven with cheap winter tires with one of them with the inside on the outside: constant whine, but only heard from the outside. People were just looking at me while I passed by.
The next tire change, I mounted three of them by error with the inside on the outside: more whine, but still nothing on the inside.
These were really poor Minerva S110 that I got with the car with one of them reversed on the rim. I finished them during the summer and had fun testing the ESP. On some wet roads, in a slight slope, the car would lose traction when starting from a stop, even once getting to the second speed.
Thank you for once again proving that you get what you pay for.
A few years ago I accidentally stumbled onto the channel after the horrible experience I had with a cheap tire on my previous car. It was a Linglong tire on a Peugeot 207. What initially drew me into tire testing was the dangerous wet behaviour of that tire. Here in the Netherlands we have plenty of roundabouts and that tire on a damp surface was straight up dangerous on roundabouts. After replacing all 4 tires with Michelin Primacy 4 the difference was pretty night and day. The Linglong tires weren't worn or old but even then the Michelins were amazing.
So long story short, thank you for educating people on tire choice! I'll be sharing this with anyone that ever asks me about cheap/budget tires.
Thanks for still watchign :)
I had the same issue when I bought a used car with triangle tyres. They would randomly understeer on roundabouts at less than 10mph, it was unbelievably bad.
Did the Michelin last longer too
The problem also is that budget tyres could come with a "tender coat" which make them act very good on dry road... but only for the 1st 1000 km !
Behavior changes very quickly after (slide) and usually they do not have a very long life expectancy.
this is exactly what a friend of mine experienced with i don’t know which brand of tyres on his c220 avant (2012 model).. he said they were sooo gooood very good grip, why am i trying to buy falken or why am i trying to find something better and more expensive?
well he made a roadtrip to turkey (2000kms 2 adults 2 kids fully loaded) and when changing lanes on the highway he noticed some sliding.. we’re talking about speeds over 170km/h :)) he bought another set next year
www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2023-ADAC-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm Check the wear section
@@sketchmoon3333 why is he going 170kmh with kids in the car?
@@pascalleduc1735 Because 2000 km away from Turkey in the right direction takes you into Germany. Welcome to the Autobahn.
You’re right, I bought a set 6 months ago of a brand call Roadx u11 which is Chinese company related to hankook, next day I took a travel trip for almost 2200km in Saudi Arabia ( hot weather conditions) the tyers performed perfect I really noticed my car became much softer and quieter, but the story didn’t end here, for the next 4 months the tyers became harder and dryer as well as the noise increased, and now I’m struggling with the side wear in all the tyers and this make them more noisy and unpredictable
As a mum driver and uses motorway alot in all weather. Tyre performance is paramount. I always watch these tyre reviews when keeping up with info. Admit not great on the mechanics but I will try to understand.
Last years mot, the garage informed me I needed front tyres as worn on inside tread.
I have Turanza T005 on but garage said I should just put budgets on (never heard of em, even googled them, Davanti? ). When I said I drive motorway and in all-weather. They actually said that was all rubbish.😮
As it was an advisory, I went to a tyre place. Who then told me nothing wrong with my tyres..
Just needed wheel alignment.
They even showed me my tyres...
This year MOT garage rang me for yearly. I told them no thank you, on the basis poor misinformation regarding the tyre standards and sent them this link.
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I always say that if you need to cheap out on tires, you need to rethink your priorities. Maybe you're spending more than you can afford in general. Tires and brakes are a priority when owning a car.
Spoiler alert. It doesn't end well for foamie 😬
Fs for foamie
He deserves it ,he doesn't even make an attempt to move.
Don't have to watch the video to know things didn't go well. Cheap tires will never beat expensive top shelves
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Great video. Can you do this test with medium range tires (Kumho, Nexen, Maxxis, Hankook) with bigger more sportier cars (19-20’) because thats where the high end tires become a lot more expensive.
I try and include those wherever I can, and there's a lot of test data on www.tyrereviews.com worth checking out too :)
@@tyrereviews I always refer to it when buying tires. Great site with plenty of information. I am currently considering Maxxis VS5 for summer tires, but I am not sure how they hold up.
@nikola0707 I've had the Maxxis VS5 for about 18m now on a Mercedes C250 and they are good, never had any issues. I read all the tests and reviews and I chose them as you seem to get the most tyre for your money.
@@tyrereviews reviews by average consumers , not test drivers , so I'd be wary of anything except wear based on kilometres driven . Average Joe doesn't know how much grip a tyre has when they're not driving them on a test track and comparing them to other tyres. Ps. I should know as I test drove cars for years .
Yes! These are tyres available all around the world. The tyres in this test are typically not.
I chose a small, economical car that fits my budget, so I don't have to save on tyres, windshield wipers and general maintenance. Yes, it is a small Japanese econobox. But it has served me well for the past 8 years and counting. If you must save money, you probably bought a second hand big car to impress and think you can have the luxury for a budget. You can't, unless you do repairs yourself or are very lucky.
It feels good fitting quality parts to a "normal," well-cared for car.
Ive had many SUVs and currently waiting for my Civic Hybrid to arrive. Feels good to be back in something smaller, simpler and honestly - more fun and safe too!
What'd you buy? I'm thinking of doing the same...
@@technicalitems731 My current vehicle is a 2017 Rav4 Hybrid. I bought it used 2 years ago and while it is a very nice vehicle I noticed that I dont use its benefits that much. Thats why I now ordered a 2023 model Honda Civic Hybrid. Quite spacious inside, compact outside and it handled very sporty on the test drive.
I averaged 4l/100km (~59mpg) on the test drive of the Civic e:HEV which was on a bendy mountain road uphill.
Likewise, I daily drive a humble 1.2L Yaris, but with some choice modification and judicious purchase of parts, it's quite a lot of fun to drive, even impressing some of my friends who drive "proper" sport cars. Also I don't really care about dings and scratches, while they get anxiety attacks when going around narrow streets :D
Reminds me of my EP3 Civic Type R when I had it back in 2010. It came with Landsails on the rear, it really liked to suddenly give massive oversteer on roundabouts or corners when it was wet. Quite how these tyres are even allowed to be sold is unbelievable.
It's in the name, "LAND SAILS". It sails on land 👍👍
I bought a secondhand car with Landsails, after a few hundred KMs the sidewalls on BOTH front tyres basically ripped apart o_O
@@eTiMaGo scary
@@eTiMaGo That car was run on tyres that were seriously underinflated. Yeah, not the best quality but still wouldn't catastrophically fail on you like that
Now there's a thing. My mum loves her cars, when she had qualified she bought, back in the day, new an Ford Escort MK1, many years later, she bought a Ford assured 18 month old Focus on a whim. It was horrible to drive she'd complain to me, I came home looked at it, and said "there's the problem: those Landsail things".
Anyway, she decided she hated it that much she was going to sell it, so I bought it at book price from her: and booked into my local garage in two days time to replace the tyres.
I was not driving the car hard, or dangerously, yet my wife and I span it three times once on a slip road, and twice on roundabouts.
The Pirellis I put on changed the car, so much so my mum regretted selling it! That said I still don't think the MK2 focus was the best of the breed, especially compared to the MK1.
I'd be very interested in seeing a comparison between an old test winner tyre (something like a Pirelli P6000) and a modern budget tyre like Sava UHP2 or Nexen. Both new of course. I think that the results would be surprising.
Yes! And Some classic car tires like the Pirelli p700z.
I think p6000's were great and always will be
I think the issue would be that the old test winner tires would have dry rotted by now already
@MiLC0REHD I think I was 17 when I had my last set of p6000 I'm 43 now they were on a mk2 mondeo 2.0
@@chrishart8548 P6000s were often considered dreadful - it depended on the car. I recall they worked better on heavy cars.
Thank you! This saves me time explaining everyone why you never should try to save on tyres👌🏼
Great video as usual. But what I don’t understand is why tyre manufacturers aren’t legally forced to make tyres that comply with minimum breaking standards. A cheap tyre will kill some one, a premium tyre wouldn’t. How can that be right.
Yes, but they force you to buy a car with automatic braking etc. 🤦
They do comply with the minimum standards although when these standards were last updated I have no idea.
That's why i bought PC7 (225/40/18).Driving the PC7 in the wet is like being in the dry. I drove the PC6 last season and was very happy with them, that's why I wanted to buy the PC7 because I saw on your reviews they improved wet grip even more compared to the PC6. When I press the gas pedal all the way in second gear in the wet, with the ESP off, there is no slipping at all. (211hp 280NM ). In the corner, I tried a couple of times to provoke the car and to squeeze a little more gas, but the car has so much grip that it is impossible to slide. My warm recommendation for these tires! Because of your reviews, I got the PC7 and I haven't regretted it for a second! Thank you very much! Greetings from Serbia!
Glad you like them :D
This is crazy, I never thought I could become so fascinated over tires.
One of us, one of us
I too am addicted😅.
Great video, I always use the theory of I want the best tyres to give me the best chance when I mess up, I try not to but everyone makes mistakes occasionally. It'd be really interesting to include longevity data to get a £/mile for each of the tyres.
ADAC wear tested some cheapos this year www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2023-ADAC-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm
@@tyrereviews perfect thank you! As I thought, "budget" tyres, are even less convincing when you include longevity data. (obviously there are some outliers in both directions for the £/mile for both premium and budget tyres)
The only time , so far, that I have lost a car was when I put off buying new tyres until pay day. A wet road with an uneven surface a slight bend, an old car , Humber Hawk, on cross ply tyres. I took out a large amount of brick wall and the car was destroyed. That was 52 years ago, Since then I always buy New Premium tyres weighted towards wet handling, and never drive them as low as the legal limit. It's a policy that has worked well for over 800k miles.
Now I look for low rolling resistance with good wet braking/ handling.
I tried some budget Chinese tyres on my stage 1 audi, the fitter said 'everyone is buying them, really popular blah , blah......'. On a demanding 200 mile drive to Wales It was a disaster so twitchy, and no precision. Changed them back to my usual Goodyear ASYs immediately and swallowed to ££££s in losses. I think there is a place if you only drive to the supermarket and back and various short journeys - anything demanding and especially on cars with some performance not worth risking it.
Budgets are good for drifting
Fantastic! This is exactly what I needed to show my family and friends to not buy cheap tires, thank you so much! Keep up the great work!
If you want to save money on tires then find a premium tire on sale. Right now the Pirelli PZ4 are relatively inexpensive because they haven’t updated it in a long time. Other manufacturers have new tires that are definitely better but they are really expensive and hard to find. You can get tires like the Pirelli PZ4 for barely more than a budget tire and unlike the budget tire the PZ4s are actually a good summer tire.
That sounds like a bargain PZ4. What region?!
@@tyrereviews in the Eastern United States. I got four 245/40/18 PZ4 tires for $680 after all of the rebates and discounts. Sumitomo and Khumo summer tires would have been $660 for all 4 but those aren’t as good. Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02 tires are arguably better than the PZ4 but those were $880 for 4 tires and the Michelin PS4S were $1,000 for 4.
Yes, times are hard and tyre prices seem to be rising faster than inflation (why is that?). But I wouldn't touch any of these at any price. I run Bridgestone Weather Control tyres on this channel's recommendation, and had all discs and pads renewed at the last MOT. In December I was driving past a school at the 20mph limit. It was pouring down. A mum leading a child with each hand stepped off the kerb without looking (she was wearing a coat with a hood). I did an emergency stop and missed her with about 3 feet to spare. We both went on with our days. Could have been a different story if the car had had any of these monstrosities. Honestly I think there's a case for banning them.
Over 200 ingridients are needed to produce a premium tyres, so if some of theose components are a lot more expensive or much harder to get (and may have to use even more expensive replacements), there you go...
I hope more and more people will open their eyes to how tyres differ in performane/safety. I am still stunned by how little many of my friends care what they put on their cars.
I have a set of wheels with Nankang tires I put on my GTI in the colder months so I don't "waste" my Michelin pilot sport 3S's
and honestly there is something really fun about them. I can slide the rear out when going around tight turns and stuff. The car just feels really playful but not in a sketchy way that feels dangerous
Which Nankings though? I'd also love to know how your braking distance compares to, for example, a set of Michelin Cross Climates. Or since those cost more than some cars, vs decent moderately priced tyres like Falkens or something. Whether you should buy winter tyres obviously depends on where you live, here in the southern UK it's easier to just not drive on the 1 day every 5 years it actually snows.
And a lot of people don't check tire pressure. May I suggest you a video on how tire pressure affects performance, safety and fuel economy?
Yeah, even a premium underinflated tyre can become dangerous in rainy, even moderately fast driving, in old asphalt roads etc.
I was never a huge fan of tires until recently. I've started watching your videos a couple of months ago and ever since I've bought 2 pairs of Continental (Winter & Summer, TS870 & PC7). The difference I've noticed is insane, especially with the summer tires. The wet grip is insane, it's literally the same as the dry most of the time. Aquaplanning is pretty good, meaning you won't lose much grip even when driving in extremely wet conditions. They are worth every penny. We haven't had a lot of snow this year so I couldn't try the winter tires in extreme conditions, but so far - they are really good too.
If I rotate my Michelin tyres I normally get about 30k miles, I had some Avon tyres fitted and the grip was pretty good but they only lasted about 15k miles.. at 85% of the cost of Michelins. So in my eyes there is no point buying cheaper tyres in the long run if you want to actually save money.
Yeah if you don't drive your car much or need to pass an MOT and selling a car go for it, but if I had a young family or drove a car everyday I would always spend a bit more.
Avons are awful for wear, the same story with me, they were a bit more than budgets and £20 or so less than the premium but didn’t last any longer thsn the budgets
I drive a set of King Meiler Summertires (225/40/18) on my mk4 Golf and for my kind of driving i am very happy.
Most of the time i am just chilling and getting through traffic to get from A to B, not to noisy, fuelconsumption seems identical to the Contis i had before.
If i step on the gas on some curvy roads i can feel how they get overwhelmed in longer corners, as he sai in the video.
Accelerating is a problem with any tire with the 1.9TDI until mid 2nd gear and the contis where about the same, breaking seems identical too.
I have a very short offramp from the"highway" here and it is, sometimes for fun, sometimes just not doable otherwise, a full emergency-stop there and it realy feels alright.
As far as i can say these re-threaded tires are awesome for everybody doing just the necessary drives from A to B, absolutely usable performance and safe to drive for about half the price of a tire with performance the most will never use.
For the track on the otherhand, i don't know, for fun short drives maybe good enough, depends on the model for sure. But for the people driving faster on the regular and needing every % of grip in each temperaturerange could work or not.
They do sponsor or deliver tires to raceteams so somehow it does work but i am not in that space.
For the fun weekenddrives i would still recommend them.
Absolutely good enough.
I can understand why some people buy cheaper tyres, the conti sport 7 is £195 a corner for my ford mondeo estate 235/40/19 whereas that winrun is £84 and another tyre kormoran is £99.
Would be an interesting test to compare tyres that are apparently the budget side of premium brands (kormoran, sava, semperit, sumitomo etc..) 🤔
I'm down to 4mm all round on my asymetric 5s and will likely replace with the vector 4seasons G3 or the CC2
How many miles have you got out of them?
The price can add up. I have Conti HDR5s on my Ford (225/70R19.5) and they are around $450 per tire. A full set (my F450 has dual rear wheels) without spare is around $2700 (2100 GBP) plus tax and installation. You can get a cheap tire for $140 or go even more expensive with the Michelin XDS2 at $650 per tire.
I've recently put on a set of Rotalla Setula 4 seasons and have been pleasantly surprised. My local tyre place which I have been going to since I was 17 (and before that if you count in the back of my parents' car) recommended them and while I was a little sceptical I trusted their judgement. One trip round the NC500 in a heavily loaded MPV and I am still impressed as they have handled motorways, wet and dry high speed cornering, emergency braking and even mud and gravel without causing me to come a cropper. No doubt I could do better if I spent more but they were certainly a night and day difference to the 4 mismatched tyres that were on the car when I bought it and I never once felt like the tyres were an issue.
I've bought Tomket twice now.
On two different cars, but both Mini S'
And they perform quite well tbh.
I did 4000 miles on one, and it was fine when I sold it.
I think the biggest issue with budget tyres is a lack of consistency with "quality". Ive seen people rave about Three-A Tyres, and the next person slate them rotten. Its possible that When a "New" cheap tyre comes out the company builds them using quality products, then to gain money back they lower the quality of products they put into them. Or there is just no consistency in the products used to build them at all. Neuton NT5000's another one. Saab and VX forums rave about these tyres, they were the worst tyre I have every used, wet weather handling was terrible.
I remember the saab forums loving that tyre. Just because a collective mind says something it's good, it doesn't mean it actually is. All it needs is one or two people with no experience of good tyres to try and them post how great they are then everyone follows
I see the sense in getting the best deal on any of the Premium brands and I've tried the next level down for winter tyres but in reality skimping on tyres [or oil, suspension n brakes] is not a good risk/reward for me. Starting my motorised career on 70s motorbikes even with Japanese tyres of that era certainly helped me figure this out.
I've got a Fiesta ST MK8 and it had Michelin pro Sport 4 on it and it handled like a dream, I tried to be a cheap gate and put some Autogreen sport chaser and some runway sports on the car. It now scares the living daylights out of me, the handling is tripe, no communication to the driver, understeer, tram lining, they are coming straight off. Pay the extra and feel safe.
As pointed out, it's the wet grip that absolutely tanks with budget tyres compared to upper end.....it literally can be the difference between life and death.
I recently and reluctantly fitted Michelin’s budget brand and they grip far better in the wet than the P Zero’s they’ve replaced, I’m actually quite confused by it because they were half the price.
Man I hate everyone in my family having the opinion that if there is legal thread depth left you should not get new tyres.. Just experienced a (safe) surprise grip loss last summer on a motorway ramp curve with my 5y old set of Goodyear UG perf2 tyres, which sounds exactly of the behavior that these cheap tyres do brand new. I gotta replace the tyres with new ones, but hate to once again get shouted at that I wasted my money. 😖 Cannot not say about the purchase, because there really can be a life saving difference.. *switched to winters soon after the surprise slide, that´s why summers not replaced already..
Yeah, modern tyres last much longer (thread wise), but perish in a few years (due to age).
So it might be better to get great performing tyres that don't last long (thread wise), so you will get them replaced in say 3 years becaue of low threads (just as they start to degrade from age anyway), rather then getting very good tyres that last twice as long (thread wise). For example, I am thinking Pirelli P Zero compared to Michelin Pilot Sport 5 (or S5).
Definitely going to save that video when I'm having the discussion again why I spend so much on tyres and why it's not worth to save a few bucks on specifically this part of the car.
Never save on Tyres, Brakes and Suspension they keep you on the street.
When you see dash cam videos of people randomly losing control on a wet highway, now you know why. They are people who are completely ignorant of their tires. I only run premium all season tires and change them before they reach the wear bars, usually around 4/32”… you’re welcome other drivers.
Here in Australia it’s scary to see how many people run budget tyres on high performance vehicles
I've never been interested in the cheapest tyres, I'm not interested now and I hope I never have to be interested in them. But I start watching each of your videos by giving a like. You're doing a great job for everyone. Thank you and... people - don't buy Chinese tires.
I went into a car meet one day and saw decked out tuned cars everywhere (LED neon lights, underglow etc.). Few drivers got so smug about my own daily grocery getter that wasnt even a sleeper and starter talking smack about me. One of them asked me to race, so i took a look around his car and he had like the cheapest second hand tyres installed on his decked out tuner car. I knew for a certain that this guy will either crash into me or into a wall across the track. I declined his offer which boosted his ego and had a race with another guy. He also had like the cheapest second hand tyres. They had a race around the track and suprisingly, none of them crashed somehow. It was a close finish but the one with bigger ego won. I decides to do few laps on my own after that and i was 7 seconds faster with my grocery getter. They had 100kw more engine power than i did yet still did better job at track. They complained that i had engine swapped, added turbo, increased torque, changed gearing or something but it was just me using Goodyear Asymmetric 6 tyres. Both tuners earlier were pissed off and increased their speed on track but no matter how well they drove, they had worse and worse lap times by tenth of seconds each time (Tyre wear had kicked in). They gave up later on and drove away. Kind of dissapointing that they didn't crash their cars but they sure as hell felt humiliated.
One guy was once telling me about his $6000 suspension and i noticed he had the cheapest tyres possible on
@@tyrereviews Yeah, I've seen a Range Rover Vogue (100K car) on Tigar Wintera (the chepaest) tyres...
The asymmetric 6’s are like magic, they seem to pull grip from literally nowhere.
I think you can test the premium tire company make budget tires. For exp Continental - Barum or Matador, Goodyear - Sava or Debica, Michelin - Riken or Kormoran, Nexen - Kennex, Hankook - Laufenn. Most people buy these tires because they made by premium tire company.
Im a big fan of uniroyal rain tyres. Always raining in the UK and these Always feel planted and sure footed.
They are a soft tyre and wear out faster than some but they are very reasonably priced compared to higher premium brands.
It's not always raining in the UK. It stopped for a couple of hours last week.
I'm working in Wales this week, and noticed that the front tyres a just above the legal limit. I've ordered a couple of premium tyres. No point skimping. Premium tyres last so much longer they save you money in the end.
I bought triangle 16" tires once because i needed them yesterday at that point, i now bought 4 brand new 18" Continental tires for my summer rim set, never going cheap again
Hopefully, this review will encourage people to think hard about tyre choice. The difference between 4 Contis and 4 Cheapies is about £130. Times may be hard, but that is not a large sum, whichever way you look at it.
Depends on what you drive….I’m keen to know about yourself with such a small increase?
I use a very cheap allseason tire. ONE very cheap allseason tire. as a spare. the last spare was 10 years so it was time for a replacement. in these 10 years I used it once. for like 3 kilometers from home to tire shop, getting my good tire repaired, back home and change it out. for like 8 minutes of driving in 10 years I'm sure a cheap one will do. ONE cheap one.
I've never heard of those names, but I have another list of really bad tires: Linglong, Sunny, Riken, Fortune, Premiorri, Aoteli, Zeta, Grenlander, Mirage, Mazzini, Star performer, Radar, Chengshan, Torque, Landsail, Minerva, Sunful, Paxaro & Diplomat. If you ask me, I'm more interested how the mid range model tires perform: Kumho vs Hankook vs GTRadial vs Falken vs Pirelli vs Good Year vs Barum vs Dunlop vs Bridgestone vs Nokian vs Vredstein and others that I don't remember right now... I usually vote for one from this range, because I don't really need the ultimate grip because I don't drive on a track or very aggressive.
Good year, Pirelli and Bridgestone are mid range? Lol, since when?
Good list of budgets there :) The midrange brands are usually tested alongside the premium brands in my test so there's some data on those too :)
@@dukinse5198 Right? I rate Purcells very highly! ;)
@@juhojalonen3046 heheeheh pirelli i meant to write
Rikens by Michelin on my Passat have been excellent.
Now its time for the video every one wanne see. The top 3 VS. GoodYear Eagle F1 6 VS Michelin Pilot Sport 5/5s VS Continental PremierContact 7 🎉 that wil be the video of the year!!! Thank you. You are the best Tire Reviewer in the world. Lets go 🏁🏁🏁
To me a budget tires are Sava, Fulda, Barum, Nexen and some Kuhmo models.
I would actually buy and mount those on my vehicle with the stipulation of driving normally with the posted speed limit.
Driving dynamically and sending it in corners only with premium tires
Cheap tires for me are Semperit, Linglong, Matador, Novex, Federal etc those should be avoided at all costs
@@1.8T20V A hard compound that doesn't stop well will do that.
@@1.8T20V The'yre made out of PVC, so yeah.
We call those midrange tyres :)
@@1.8T20V Audi uses Linglong on their spare since 2019, would I call it premium because Audi uses it, Nope, its still shit.
@@zstation64 🤣 fair enough
I have one set of wheels that have nankang ns20's. And that is because it's the only brand that makes 195/45/15's. But i never drive that car in the rain. And never during the winter. Also it's a Citroën AX with 44hp. So for the things that i use it, it does the job just fine. But my other car (Dacia Dokker) does have Michelin Crossclimates since i use that car everyday. And they have saved me a couple of times.
Excellent video as always. The big manufacturers all have sub brands - it would be great to see a test of these tyres in the future.
I'm in Thailand, and using Dayton DT30, which are a budget brand of Bridgestone. Super happy with them, even in our torrential rains.
Whow... imagine a Test with Continental, Semperit, Uniroyal, Barum, General, Gislaved, Mabor, Matador and Viking tyres!
340+ comments in 8 hrs since the post…. Wow! This was a topic of interest. I surely clicked on it because of what it is about. This is the perfect video for the naysayers. Love it!
I used to buy continental EcoContact 6s but they was £65, this time they was £85, I decided to try a pair of Hankook Eco 2s for £65 and they seem pretty well matched to the continentals, funnily enough the tread pattern looks very similar and apparently the Hankooks have better wear but I'll believe that when they need replacing (assuming they last a few extra miles).
Just touching on the Nankang quickly. A good few years ago now a friend of mine, along with a bunch of other British lads, went to SA to race their 2.0 hot rod oval track cars. They used the SA control tyre which was this cheap Nankang thing. My mate absolutely loved them even though they couldn't get near the pace of the British control tyre (Hoosier Street TD). He said they were just fun, break away was more progressive, lasted longer (even in the Africa heat!) performance didn't really drop off when they were a few races old and above all they weren't Hoosier money 😀 good old Nankang. Crap, but somehow endearing.
So the difference between premium and cheap tyres are €30 to €40 which is 120 to €160 a set.. if u divide the cost of ownership by 4 or 5 years that's nothing plus the cheaper one might not get to 4 to 5 years driven in similar conditions so the premium tyre is money well spend could even save u money in the long run
Good logic
Super curious to watch this one as I have always gone with premium tyres and I guess that has been truly vindicated.
It has :)
I watched your video and fitted 4 Tomkets to my e90 330d M sport. There was a mixture of tyres on it previously due to the previous owner/garage including Hankook and this is the best budget tyre I have bought. Very stable in greasy conditions, good grip in the dry and way better steering feel. I have had the usual Michelin, Goodyear, Pirelli, Avon, Uniroyal Rainsports, Dunlops etc and only the Uniroyal and Goodyear F1s seem a fraction better at sane road speeds. I think the Tomkets would perform well against a lot of mid range tyres. Recommended as is your video😊
Where is polish Debica?Queen of budget tires!I'm really disaponted
I am actually very impressed with how this guy can handle oversteer so well with a FWD car.
Great video as always. Really helps debunking some of these thoughts when the market is awash with bold marketing claims. 👏🏼
I've always owned powerful cars. From my first, a 1954 Oldsmobile Rocket 88 which I owned in 1963; through Rolls Royce, Bentley, Jaguars, Mercedes-Benz up to my current Lexus GS300 SE-L. I've also raced for 60 years, so I have a little knowledge when it comes to tyres.
Much of the handling characteristics depends upon heat generation. A well-warmed tyre will always tend to give better grip, comfort and stability than a cold tyre. This is of course due to the generated heat causing the tread surface to become softer and and adhering better.
Back in "the day", many amateur race teams achieved great success on Colway racing remoulds. They were brilliant but very short-lived. I've used "Continental" brand tyres and they're excellent. My Lexus is on 245/40/18 Hankook tyres all round; and they suit the car perfectly.
So, in my opinion, heat is a key to the best handling. There's little point in paying too much attention to compound grades when it comes to general road use. You're never going to be running anywhere close to racing heat; so my advice would always be...drive using common-sense and care; watch your pressures very carefully, and never, EVER race on a public highway!
Great video, you clearly know your stuff. Sorry about the demise of your good friend - but he was standing in the middle of the road.
Just save your own life and others for £30 a corner……. Absolutely no contest .
🏴 love from Scotland 🏴
Not all budget tyres are the same. There are some that are owned by the big reputable brands or made in the same factory as some of the bigger brands.
And just because its a chinese brand, remember that the parent company is no doubt incredibly wealthy and can afford the latest technology.
Or they can source really good quality natural rubber in Asia and be made in a factory that has close to 100 years of experience and has had government contracts etc.
I had been waiting for such comparison for very long time. So thank you for that! I hope you are able to make comparison with worn out premium tire and brand new budget tires.😉💪especially for winter tires.
I believe what most people care about is the longevity of the tires 🤷🏻♂️
Love this ❤
I’ve lost count of the amount of friends and family. I have explained this to 🙄
Thanks for trying
Fun fact - I put Dunlop SP sport on my MKV GTI to replace the factory Contis. They were horrendous on everything except wear. Replaced with Premiumcontact 5 a few years ago and they were light years ahead of the Dunlops. Something often overlooked is that a cheap new tyre may well feel better than a worn out premium tyre at first, but that's a massive deception. Go premium - only 120 quid more than the rubbish stuff.
In my opinion, budget tyres definitely have a place in the market because, from experience in the auto industry, there are people who struggle to make ends meet. And those people may just write off new tyres all together and drive on outright unsafe tyres simply from the mindset that they cannot afford new tyres. I would rather fit a set of brand new no names onto a single migrant mothers car for $240 rather than send her away with a quote for $640 knowing she wouldn't just come back, but likely not visit any other shop in fear of the same unaffordable quote.
This, we can't all write off the budgets all together because we're just a bunch of car enthusiasts. They have a place for people who are just trying to make ends meet.
The question is why would you make a child having no money and risk child’s life by using these shitty tyres with crazy braking distance? Walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walkie!
I disagree... because they only saving money in short term and even then the saving is not that great. Honestly car ownership is very expensive, insurance, road tax and even fuel over the year way exceed the price of the tyres and overall it makes minor difference in cost of ownership, but major difference in safety.
The biggest problem which is not shown here is thread life, so not only these tyres are literally unsafe on the road, but they most of the time end-up costing more per mile. Put on the Michelins and they likely to last 30k+ miles, most budgets disintegrate in 10k... So here is the math once per 30k miles you can pay £90x4 for Michelin = £360 vs. £55x4x3 for budget = £660. Where are the savings?
And that is before we even consider that worn premium tyre retains at least some of the grip, whereas worn budget is completely unpredictable. I know it may sound cruel, but if one cannot afford the tyres, then I don't think they should be on the road... simply because we should ask question - what else critical to the safety they could not afford? And by the way - I am not saying just buy Michelins, but there are plenty of "mid-range" brands that are not outstanding, yet they are at least safe. Take Kuhmo, Uniroyal (Michelin), Gislaved (Continental), Sava or Debica (Goodyear), Toyo etc. Often they are like literally £4 more expensive than most trashy budgets, but they have twice the tread life and they are at least "safe".
And by the way - I can sort of look past the budgets on some £500, 1.1L shaitebox... but how often you see £30k BMW, Lexus or Range Rover with 500Hp for sale with set of budgets?! What is the explanation here?
@@lp9280 greedy resellers are trying to trick inexperienced drivers with new tire protectors.
@@hohloyumor Yes I know, but I had to walk away from several cars and they thought that I am the one who is unreasonable!
It literally happened in the dealer, where I was looking at premium nearly new car and I said, I will buy it, but I either want £1500 discount or they have to replace tyres... and they were like "mate, those tyres are new, they are road legal, you are unreasonable here"... road legal my ass! They have thread, but they literally have no grip!
That is why I think they should be made "road illegal", else there will be always be greedy people looking for suckers!
Superb test. If it stops one accident, one impact and one person not buying these, it's done its job.
However, it doesn't help that mid market and premium are so, so, so expensive now...
I have pointed some people at part worn premiums ...
Really interesting to see how shite these are! One thing I find really frustrating is when tyre retailers/dealerships/garages try to sell a brand as mid range or premium, and I feel like Davanti is a brand which is used for this purpose quite a lot when its as bad as the rest of them! Landsail seem to be another brand where they are trying to market it upwards too.
I also find that annoying, hence the desire to test it to see how good it really is.
Good on you for doing so. I know the resulting conclusions aren’t likely to change, but it would be good if the most popular budget brands continue to be tested in the future as this is definitely going to prove beneficial to a lot of people 😁
They probably have a higher profit margin than the premiums.
When I got my Michelin PS4's from Blackcircles(with fitting), one local place I rang for a quote laughed and told me they couldn't even get them from their supplier for the price I paid!
I bought a used car with Landsail Sentury Qirin 990 on, and to be honest I never checked what brand or model it was. My experience is that they do the job with nothing that stands out in a bad way, which is why I bought a new pair now that the old set was worn down. I know now how they work which made it a lot easier to choose these tires, but I will be honest and say that I'm not sure I would even look at them if I did not know given they are socalled budget tires.
What is so often overlooked is that you have to always drive in relation to what car and parts it is rolling with, and what road conditions and which season it is etc. You will get used to driving on winter roads with winter tires when that is the case and you will get used to driving with summer tires when summer is here. What is necessary for most people is simply a matter of what you feel confident in, and you won't fully know until you have tried this or that.
Personally I have no issue paying what quality cost, and the quality has to translate to your actual needs. I will admit that you should be mindful with things that cost less, so do your own research. Sometimes it can be utter garbage and I do know that, I just had to question myself this time when I had to get a new set of rubbers because I honestly have not had any weird or dangerous situations with those tires. My experience is that I just haven't thought about which tires they were, and that is a testament in itself that they at least must be good enough for normal driving with a family car.
As I said, do your own research because it's not always bad.
Very interesting. I do have one question tho.
Could u make a video about old tyers vs new ones? Not the old ones where there is no profile anymore. Just old. Like 10years old tyers. Are there any issues? Like hardening, deforming and so on. And does the handling change?
I would love to see that, as I am currently debating if I should still use my 10 year old tyres, because they have enough tread left and it feels like a waste throw them out
@@seowebua hahaha had the same issue but i am right now on my way to get new ones. Hahaha.
But it would be very interesting to know. Since in Europe people say u should change tyres every 4 years.
@seowebua if look fine with no cracks and there not perishing there fine
@@crimsonsnow5888 lmao yeah, manufactures say that you should change tyres every 5-10 years, but, I mean, obviously they would say that) I literally couldn't find any good test on youtube featuring old with enough tread vs new. If the difference in performance is up to 5% than I'm ok with that, but if more - that would literally be the difference between good and cheap tyres like in this video
@@seowebua true. But here in hermany there is a law preventiong selling *new tires at a dealer later then (i think 2 years) after production (DOT).
So there might be a reason. I hope he reads the comments and makes a video about it 😂
I’ve just recently got my hands on a set of DOT4922 Eagle F1s size 225/45R17 for 344€, which is a steal imo. A set goes for 428€ at the local shop. So you can get good tires but you’ve got to go go the supplier, call around a bit, go get them places.. the most convenient solutions are usually the most expensive.
You should include some high speed braking as well. I’ve noticed that the biggest difference between budget and quality tires can be felt when doing an emergency brake from ~200km/h. It feels as if you’re trying to brake on snow
Not very relevant in UK, but agree - 60MPH is bit low, 70-80MPH is more realistic speeds for motorway. As well deep standing water is very dangerous for any tyres, but particularly for budgets who don't have good balance. Premium tyre my aquaplane for a little bit, but you may still point to the right direction, where budgets (god forbid mismatched ones) will likely to send you into the spin.
@@lp9280 60 is the speed limit you'd be doing on country roads. where you could come round a corner into something unexpected. For the most part on a motorway, you can see something develop and brake earlier.
@@cjmillsnun how many times you have seen multiple car pile-ups on country lanes? Now ... how many times you have seen multiple car pile-ups on motorway?
I am not saying that there are no hazards on country lanes (in fact they are statistically most dangerous), but to say that there are no hazards on motorway for most part is not quite true either. Is it?
@@lp9280 Definitely see at least one pile up once a month on the M6. Your not wrong there.
Much worse when we get snow and people driving budget summer tyres still going 70mph lol
@@SynchroM3h You know what is worse than people in winter on budget summer tyres?
The people who fit all seasons and think that now they are invincible and can drive like in summer, despite having no previous experience of skill driving on the snow.
The difference is really only that on summer and especially budget tyres, one will feel that they have no grip right away, so likely they won't even be able to reach the speed... on all seasons they grip, grip, grip... until they don't, so they kind of give false sense of security if one doesn't know what they are doing.
And this is not criticism of all seasons - they are great in UK when temps are 0-8C, slush, wet snow, mud etc. they are good for that. But at -1C if there is even a little bit of ice forming, they are as good as summer tyres, on ice literally no difference. Packed snow is different matter, but in UK we don't get packed snow, so kind of irrelevant. We go wet, wet, wet.. ICE.
Bought 4x Rotolla for my BMW. Rear tyres lasted 1 season and the traction in rain was poor. Got Michelin for the rear and after 2 seasons they still going strong. Wet condition traction difference is enormous between Rotalla and Michelin.
The Doublecoin is basicaly a flip coin gamble but with both sides loosing! I think somebody found a compound receipt in an old safe dated back to Summer 1985. P.S. Even the summer doesn´t even started, can you include the Maxxis AP2 in your All-Season Review this year? These rubbers are currently mounted on my wifes new car and so far they do okay. Would like to see a more aggressive opinion.
Why didn't I think of flipacoin! I don't have it in this years test, sorry. There is some test data on the site but it's pretty dated now www.tire-reviews.com/Tire/Maxxis/All-Season-AP2.htm
i have never even heard of these brands. thank you for providing the insight that i dont need to investigate any of them.
We have none of those brands in Eastern Europe 😳 Aside the Conti, of course. Ah, and the Nankang.
Yes, I noticed that UK market is full of brands we don't know in Europe, mostly from China. On European market cheap brands are still made as a budget alternative from one of the tyre concern(Dunlop has Sava, Dębica and Fulda on different markets, Michelin = Kleber, Uniroyal etc.). I wouldn't compare these brands with chinese tyres.
Really!? The tyres were bought in Germany
@@tyrereviews so maybe there's a rabbit hole of even cheaper tyres like the brands you've mentioned that I don't even wanna know. The tyres from brands I mentioned above have in most cases older technology from the companies that spends millions on R&D and are good alternative to more performance oriented models from so called premium brands. Especially for someone with moderate driving style.
Another great review.
Thanks to you I bought a complete set of Hankook Kinergy 4S2 before the winter for my Ford Puma and although a little less rewarding than the OEM Goodyear's on the dry they are a great choice on light snow and wet roads.
In the case of a budget tyre break test, you actually didn't apply brakes correctly, your tyres were rolling. I think it's promoted video
you are accurate. Good eye!
It's terrifying how many premium cars you see going around with the cheapo tyres. But at least they're doing better than those in the entry level BMWs and Range Rover Evokes with totally worn out tyres on.
You rarely see sensible mid rage cars in the same situation.
People driving cars beyond their means, quite easy to go buy a 10 year old German performance car but not so easy to handle the cost of running them and maintaining them.
why no one tests the Pirelli Powergy?
It's an eastern market pattern so not the right tyre for a euro based test
@@tyrereviews ok thanks. :-) I wondered why we in germany can buy this tyre, but there only russian videos.
@@tyrereviews Wut? I watch a channel with a guy from the Nederlands, and he bought Pirelli Powergy tyres for his Brera.
Anyway, what are Powergy tyres? A competitor to Michelin Energy Saver?
@@DashCamSerbia Clearly I've no idea lol. I thought they were more focused on long lasting tread but I'll double check
Now I’ve watched this I’m going to pawn my entire possessions to get those Crossclimates fitted to my £800 Rover.
Tyres*
Of course 🤓
However, JB is an American these days!
High quality and low price are exactly what consumers are looking for, thanks for your serious testing and sharing.
Eh no! When it’s the difference between keeping people safe, your family, avoiding an accident, it’s not worth it. Let alone that wear and fuel on cheap tyres is usually more. Ditch finders should not be allowed to be sold. Scenario, I have to brake hard in the wet in my premium tyres and the person behind is on shite, I get rear ended possibly causing serious injuries to my family. All the while I’ve stopped before hitting anything. I’m in the trade and I’m disgusted at how many expensive cars get shite tyres fitted but their cheap skate owners who should by rights be driving something at half the price. PCP made everyone afford Audis, Bms etc but not afford to run them when they should’ve bought a Toyota!
Agreed. I'm watching what's behind me as much as what's infront of me if I have to do an emergency brake, especially if it's wet
@@tyrereviews Love the reviews BTW! Best of all tyre reviews!
I'm 22 and I've been driving in a 1999 Nissan micra for the last 4 years. It lacks ABS and it's fitted with the cheapest tyres I could find (£150 for the set)
I though it was ok since they are relatively new and have a lot of thread depth but this video opened my eyes
Just stopped watching video at 2:06.
In Poland we have a proverb:
If there is no diffrence so why to overpay?
Xd
I put Maxxis Premitra 5's on my Volvo V70 and they've been tremendous, especially in very wet conditions.
I went for Maxxis VS5 on my Merc C250 and they have also been tremendous, especially in very wet conditions.
Part worn premium tyres. Perfect solution for those getting it tight. It may be half worn but it’s still much better than a budget tyre.
Only if you fully trust the source.
Ah, yes, part worns. Only been in one massive accident before you bought it.
@@zstation64 yeah like every scrapped car has been in a crash 🙄
@@zstation64 not if they’re from a reputable tyre dealer. I have used them on older cars for years. You know by looking at them if they’re damaged. I always check them thoroughly.
1 careful owner with heavily overloaded car lol, all the internal structure is toasted
I am thankful I learned the importance of planning ahead for safety. I also don't buy the cheapest fire extinguishers possible just because of the great probability of never needing top line performance.
I'll bet you go around looking at all the Karens' cars that are out there asking for speed cameras and lower speed limits they are driving on these dangerous tyres. 34km/h residual speed will kill someone so why aren't we mandating minimum tyre performance in vehicle annual inspections and certifying tyres based on minimum performance standards?
That would be a video idea lol
Great content. Thanks. My worry is the person behind me, driving his very old big car, 5 metres or less from my rear bumper, at 75mph. His car isn't properly serviced, and as it's a BIG car, those big tyres are just so expensive. Solution: buy some really cheap and dangerous tyres, and save money by running them until a bit of the tread is totally gone.
Tyre tests are of necessity trying to put a score on the tyre to compare one between another. However, for me the most important aspect that is difficult to quantify is confidence, it matters so much that you can have the highest performing tyre in all the various aspects and it won't perform from A to B because the confidence that you know where its limits are is missing, whereas a lower performer in individual tests might instill such confidence that it will out perform the other tyres A to B performance. I have had all sorts of budget tyres presented to me on various cars and without fail they have not performed and some have been downright frightening! Even the top performing premium brands don't perform for me even though they win tyre test reviews. Contis often come out near the top and on that recommendation I have bought a set and found that whilst they were obviously good near the limits of grip I didn't have full confidence. I have found Pirellis (P7s) for example, don't give any indication as to what is happening until its too late so that I won't consider them at all I have now settled on one brand that consistently provi8des me the confidence such I get from A to B quicker and more relaxed - that is a big win. .
And that tire is?
@@ashkanm.362 I didn't want to get into a discussion about individual preferences as that would distract from the generalisation of my comment but since you ask:
Goodyear F1 Eagle - Mercedes W124 500E - a real high speed winner
Goodyear Asymmetric - Skoda Octavia 2.0Tdi - incredible handling
Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance - Mazda 3 Sport, VW Beetle 1303S - unstickable
Goodyear Ultragrip M&S - Skoda Octavia 2.0Tdi, Mazda 3 Sport - great handling/grip in cold weather.
These videos help get a general idea of which tires I would want, but I would like to see some use on regular roads that have bumps, highs and lows, and different angled corners.
I've used the Nankangs and Davanti. They're both plenty good enough for normal everyday motoring. Plus the Davanti Accidental damage guarantee is outstanding. If you damage a tyre you get a portion of your money back on that tyre, depending on how much tread is left.
Now having said that my tyre dealer can get Toyo's for not much more money than these, so that's what I usually go for
@@jwalker7567 I found the Davanti quite decent in the wet. Nankang were a bit rubbish though