@@luisownerbr It´s not ´88 anymore you absolute Boomers, non-locking trem systems have come a long way and you see more and more famous players switching from OFR & Ibanez Edge over to GOTOH, Hipshot or similar systems by EBMM or Vega Trems.
Yes, the compact version is for guitars like the Charvel DK24 2 PT models. This have narrower string spacing and shallower term blocks on their stock Gotoh 510. I installed these saddles on a Gotoh bridge on a strat with Gotoh HAPM locking tuners and it works brilliantly! If you have those saddles and locking tuners, tuning problems mean you haven't stretched the strings enough. There's literally nothing else to create the issue. I use mine for all the same floyd stuff I do on my other guitars. It took me a long time to get a hold of proper string stretching, but since the 90s, I've been using floyd bridges with regular nuts and locking tuners. No more lock nuts ever!
Totally agree, and this is why I really love my NFT Floyd. Which is an underrated bridge IMO. I'm really glad Wilkinson is making these it was really needed in the market.
Aaron...people always whine and complain about a floyd...but when I was a kid and I was poor, I only had one guitar and it had a floyd...so if I needed different tunings or what not, I had to make do...my point is, I got great at changing strings and keeping my floyd set-up...it really just takes practice and patience!!!....rock on my brother!!!!
Can I build a whole guitar from Warmoth parts and know that they will fit together? Like a vintage strat. And why do you guys offer nitrocellulose finish options on necks but not bodies? Thanks again for doing the review.
is the trem floating or decked? have you tried the Vega Trem? I have the vega floating, and it is AWESOME tuning stability with locking tuners is fantastic I love Wilkinson trems too
That bridge does seem cool. But on my next build I'm gonna go with a floyd. Only because I did a warmoth build recently and made a baritone with a TOM bridge and was thinking "I need a baritone with a floyd."
@@Mark70609 The easy answer is all Suhr's are better than average. The Pete Thorn sig is a specific guitar though. If you want a dual humbucker, 25.5" scale, mahogany body/neck guitar then yes, it's going to be nicer than an average guitar... The switching system on the Pete Thorn sig is very useful. Pete designed it to be a rock solid gigging guitar...
That's good cred, when a high-end model of guitar doesn't worry about following the Herd and having a 'Top 3' choice - instead only the most functional hardware, from A-Z. Less brand marketing and more player-focused.
I've always done three springs, one straight and two angled. Don't know why. I guess I just like the symmetry. I've never thought about it any beyond that.
Been abusing trems for years. I had good luck with the Fender 2-point trem, better luck with the G&L trem, and best luck with Warmoth builds with the Wilkinson that was out in 2013. Earvana tusq nuts helped. Stays in tune mostly fine with severe tremming. Going slack, pulling up a step - no problem.
awesome video like always , could you guys make a video showing the sound difference between a floyd rose type of trem vs a vintage style trem ? I know people mitgh think is obivius but there not videos showing how exactly that difference sound like,. Love the channel , cheers guys.
It's called Northern Lights Dye. It's an off-menu option you can get if you call in. I haven't tried the VegaTrem yet. I don't generally eat a lot of meat anyway, but I do enjoy a good hamburger every now and then, so I'm not sure I'm ready to commit to that lifestyle.
The only mechanical difference between a long and short trem block is the amount of spring tension required to balance it. The geometry, and therefore the rate of pitch change does not change. A shorter block will require more spring tension to balance with the string tension, so it will feel stiffer when pitching down, but less stiff when pitching up. Tuning stability is not an issue regardless of which you use. As you found out, tuning stability is more dependent on things like locking tuners, locking nuts, and low friction at the trem to body contact point. Two post trems with knife edge contact points are the best.
Hey, Aaron. The new website is really nice. Who should we contact about any problems we find with the new 'Build a Custom' stuff? It would be cool to be able to place your hardware on builds. Anyway, I can dream. I do have a question for you. Should/would the Gotoh wraparound bridge work in any instance, with the angled neck pocket TOM/STP option? Say, on a Strat, for example.
Sorry for the multiple comments but a great cheaper alternative to this Wilkinson 1302 is the non-fine tuner Floyd Rose. Much more comfortable without the fine tuners getting in the way of my hands. From experience though, the non-fine tuner Floyd won't fit into a regular Floyd route due to a slightly wider baseplate. Would love to see a recessed route for this tremolo on Warmoth bodies :)
I've got a player plus Stratocaster with locking tuners and a regular modern strat trem (2 point) and I just use Big Bends Nut Sauce on my saddles and nut. It hardly ever goes out of tune. I'm still going to get a new trem eventually though, because the strat trem arm and block always get stripped. I'm trying to figure out what non locking trem that I should buy. I'd like one with the arm screw thing on top, like a Floyd.
Hi, Aaron! I want to order parts for a custom guitar and I think Warmoth could do it. Do you have a video or somthing that shows how to order it from the web page step by step? From the neck all the way to the body and electronics.
That last part is critical: try a 3x3 tuner angled headstock and you will get average to poor tuning stability (YMMV). Haven't used it long enough yet to assess how well the knife edges hold up compared to alternatives though.
Good to see you're still doing videos. But too long between videos. If chambering effects the tone of a guitar can you do a comparison between a chambered body and a thin line body?
I'm assuming the compact is what you'd want for say a Squier Strat with the thinner than normal body. I've seen trems for proper fender spec strats that have a block that pokes out of the Squier spec bodies.
Aaron, did you mean to say VIABLE or VAI-ABLE? Nice play on words. :D Thanks for going deep on this bridge's compatibility and performance. Personallly, I'll still stick with hardtails and pitch shifters but this should be good for players who make light and moderate use of vibrato.
Which Wilkinson Bridge compares to the Callaham Vintage/Narrow? Meaning it has Vintage Fender 2-7/32 Screw spacing ----BUT Modern or Narrow 2-1/16 String spacing. Help! Can't afford Callaham! Their prices are INSANE.
My only gripe with the Wilkinson 1302 is that it's too expensive as from what I understand, the tremolo is not Made in Japan by Gotoh like the VS-100N.
That’s great, but I’m still waiting to see if copper (or other material) shielding in a Strat style guitar. I live for the day. The trem bridge worked well.
Do Warmoth carve some wood out of the bridge/block route like Suhr do to get extra range when dive bombing? Will Warmoth do a route in the top of the body for an Illitch noiseless system?
Just a recommendation for Warmoth to maybe experiment with, but ESP has a clever feature for it's strat-like guitars called the CT head system where the headstock is angled back like 5 or 10 degrees (can't remember the exact measurement). That slight tilt back plus staggered locking tuners make string trees unnecessary as I understand when you have a non-angled regular strat headstock plus staggered tuners, the string pull is still not as great as when you have string trees.
Much of their market is "Strat" replacement necks, and they are flat. I agree though, that it would be a lovely option to have. However, a tilted back headstock means one of two things: 1) they need to have thicker neck stock which would increase prices, or 2) it would need a scarf joint, which is additional labor, again making for increased prices.
To the best of my knowledge… Unless they’ve changed the availability… Warmoth does offer a tilt back headstock option. I’ve owned one and I don’t think that there was an extra charge at the time. That being said, I did order it about 16 years ago… Wish I never sold it.
@@warmoth and the one I had was fantastic… 24 three-quarter scale, stainless steel 6105 frets, 59 round back profile… Birdseye bored on a flame maple shaft with a 12 inch radius… I kick myself every time I think about that neck.
@@warmoth Yeah I now about the tiltback, I'm just saying that the CT head system might not need a huge change in manufacture processes because it uses a very slight angle, just enough to get rid of the string tree if used with staggered tuners. ESP achieves this with a single piece neck so that headstock breakage isn't a possibility. Here's where I read that staggered tuners may not be enough to achieve enough string pull hazeguitars.com/blog/rant-this-time-its-staggered-height-tuners?rq=staggered
nice! the whole point of this trem is to fix the insurmountable flaw of strat trems where when you dive the bar hard the strings slide up the saddles and land in a new spot when the bar comes back up and stick there, coming back sharp. thing is, the playing technique to get around this is to do just what aaron was doing, namely following each dive with an _up-pull_ and/or an up and down trem vibrato to "unstick" the strings off the saddles and get them back in tune. get good at this and regular strat trems can work just fine the real test is to do what he did later in the video, namely to dive the bar hard, let it come back up to "zero" and that's it, no up-pull. that's where regular strat trems come back severely sharp on the G and low E mostly. this one didn't! maybe there was a slight drift from the nut or keys or something but it totally fixed that primary problem, and a little up-pull and wiggling would have likely fixed that residual drift
Totally, I'm sitting here yelling at the screen, "pull up! Pull up! For the love of....." LOL I bet that would have knocked it back it tune if it was setup to float. A lot of 510s I see in the wild are decked which means they can't really do this.
Its the absence of the string trees, not the locking tuners. Don't believe me? Make one change at a time next time. When I'm in Washington I should have you play one of mine.
Just curious - why did you feel the need to swap out the 510 ? I've had a 510 on a Partscatser for a few years now and it's virtually bomb-proof, don't have any reason I'd want to swap it out, and I'm a really heavy trem user.
@@kevinmcguinness1113 I wasn't getting the tuning stability from the 510 that I needed. Pete Thorns demo of this bridge was enough for me to give it a shot. I'm also a heavy trim user and I can dump the bar with this bridge and it comes back in tune perfectly. Couldn't do that with the 510.
@RalphMercuroMusic fair enough, if it wasn't doing the job. It has to feel right for you 👍. Funny thing is ... the reason I decided to use the 510 was because Guthrie Govan had it on his Suhr signature model for years. I thought at the time, if it was good enough for Guthrie ... absolutely no complaints, it's easily as good and as stable as any of the Floyd's, Ibanez Edge and EBMM bridges I've ever had. 🤟🤟
@@kevinmcguinness1113 It's a fantastic bridge for sure. I'm sure you know Guthrie moved on to a locking bridge on his Charvel sig. I have that same "Baby Floyd" on an Anderson and it works just as good as the Wilkinson locking bridge. Of course, a properly cut nut and locking tuners are part of the equation.
@RalphMercuroMusic yeah, I knew he'd changed, didnt know the reason for it. That's cool. Yep, I've got Schaller locking tuners, Fender LSR roller nut, no string trees, HSS, scalloped maple neck, set up with 9s on E-flat. The whole system is bomb-proof - up a whole step, down to slack. I love it and it's my go-to when I'm doing ridiculous whammy stuff. I'd love to have the same stability on my other high-end guitars.
1:36 he means Wilkinson. 3:40 he means Wilkinson. It's ok, Trevor is a very sweet guy. But I'm not gonna lie, Aaron...I'm a little surprised you thought you'd have improved results with locking saddles without using locking tuners.
I've seen the biggest mistakes with this bridge is people are using it with nuts that bind, string trees, and traditional tuners. It's just one component in a system...
I wasn't under the impression I would have optimum results while using trees and regular tuners, but I wanted to try it that way first and see the results. The experiment made it pretty clear that all of it matters. There is no magic bullet. It's a system. Oh....and thanks for heads-up on the places where I mispoke. I'll add some cards in there to make it clear.
It's called Northern Lights Dye. It's an off-menu option that you can order if you call in. You can see more off-menu bursts on our Pinterest page here: www.pinterest.com/warmothguitars/warmoth-wood/
Vega trem is where it's at. Mini Floyd rose but doesn't look ridiculous. Holds tune super well. Lands action just right. Only thing that sux is this trem costs almost 300 bucks!
I like being able to change strings fast, but I accept that with any guitar with a floating trem, I want to carry a second guitar in case I break a string. It doesn't matter if I can change one string in 1 minute or 3 minutes, with tools or without tools. I can't stop the show to change a string, so unless maybe the sound guy is able to do me a favour, I'm finishing the set on my backup guitar.
Yep, always bring two guitars. Changing a string mid-set is for wieners. The only exceptions are fly-dates. I only bring one, and have been lucky enough never to break a string in that scenario.
Any new players who are FOMO about a Floyd Rose, those are not a deal breaker... I'd sometimes rather have a Cali-style SuperStrat that sounds good and works simply than have all that extra hardware dominate the guitar's setup, feel and sound. Early Eddie Van Halen stuff and all Richie Blackmore is just a Fender vibrato, the Wilkinson "Tremolo" Vibrato is that type of sound only way more reliable! And Floyds... are fine too. Sometimes.
I still say that a system that makes changing strings require tools is a no thanks. But thanks for the video. Spending your money so we don’t have to. 😉
@@RalphMercuroMusic seriously. I broke so many cutters trying to cut strings when all you have to do is vigorously shake them and it breaks of at the tuner. No pointy ends cutting into your gig bag too.
It's NOT a tremolo , it's a vibrato system . Tremolo is variation of volume , variation of pitch ( that's what the thing does) is called vibrato . Leo Fender got it wrong when he put "synchronized tremolo" on the headstock of the Stratocaster in 1955 . The mistake has been repeated, parroted for 66 years and counting . Call it whammy bar , jangle handle , whatever , but do not call it tremolo because that's not what it is .
Nope. It stays in tune relatively well, but it isn't rock solid like a Floyd is. It also doesn't have the range of travel that a FR does. And it's still fiddly like a Floyd, with all the little doo-dads that need to be tightened and untightened with every string change. I figure that if I need to use a hex-wrench anyway then I'll just stick with my Floyd.
The new mobile site is terrible. You can no longer make custom configurations. I’m assuming it’s still an option on the normal site, if it’s not you’re going to lose a lot of business. People love the idea of being able to virtually build their guitar before buying it.
Why are we still calling this a "tremolo" bridge, when it's a "vibrato" bridge? As musicians, it makes guitar players seem stupid among the world of musicians. Y'know, vibrato is variation in pitch; tremolo is variation in volume, as in "tremolo picking." Is it some kind of perverse homage to Leo Fender's non-musicianship that caused him to incorrectly name the tool? IDK, maybe I'm just being picky, but, I don't understand why the entire guitar community has to prop up this stupid misnomer for the rest of eternity.
Still laughing from, "I actually smell a little different today.....". Nothing but straight forward honesty from Aaron.
I don't even like non locking 2 pivot trems, but it's a Warmoth video, gotta watch.
In about 88 i had a Kramer with a Floyd Rose non locking trem. That is the only I have ever seen. HATED it.
@@daddyosink4413 they just don't work haha
@@luisownerbr It´s not ´88 anymore you absolute Boomers, non-locking trem systems have come a long way and you see more and more famous players switching from OFR & Ibanez Edge over to GOTOH, Hipshot or similar systems by EBMM or Vega Trems.
That tuning stability is absolutely amazing. Holy crap.
Im from Australia , and i got one of your Roasted Necks in my New S Type,
Brilliant, will by again. 10/10.
thanks Aaron & Team..
Aaron time for more videos, we miss them
"Vai-able" - Dad-Joke level - Masterful
My kids have trained me well.
oh man, that is comic gold.
Yes, the compact version is for guitars like the Charvel DK24 2 PT models. This have narrower string spacing and shallower term blocks on their stock Gotoh 510. I installed these saddles on a Gotoh bridge on a strat with Gotoh HAPM locking tuners and it works brilliantly! If you have those saddles and locking tuners, tuning problems mean you haven't stretched the strings enough. There's literally nothing else to create the issue. I use mine for all the same floyd stuff I do on my other guitars. It took me a long time to get a hold of proper string stretching, but since the 90s, I've been using floyd bridges with regular nuts and locking tuners. No more lock nuts ever!
Totally agree, and this is why I really love my NFT Floyd. Which is an underrated bridge IMO. I'm really glad Wilkinson is making these it was really needed in the market.
So obvious question, when will Warmoth start carrying the 1302 non-compact and list the Routing on the site? :) All I see is the compact on Reverb.
That guitar is GORGEOUS.
Sounded very impressive Aaron! Even after pretty severe whammying, it was still fairly in tune.
Aaron...people always whine and complain about a floyd...but when I was a kid and I was poor, I only had one guitar and it had a floyd...so if I needed different tunings or what not, I had to make do...my point is, I got great at changing strings and keeping my floyd set-up...it really just takes practice and patience!!!....rock on my brother!!!!
Love you guys but I do not like the new website. Loved being able to see all the hardware and parts.
Can I build a whole guitar from Warmoth parts and know that they will fit together? Like a vintage strat. And why do you guys offer nitrocellulose finish options on necks but not bodies? Thanks again for doing the review.
is the trem floating or decked? have you tried the Vega Trem? I have the vega floating, and it is AWESOME tuning stability with locking tuners is fantastic I love Wilkinson trems too
Ya know. I thought you smelled a little different. Good video man. Very nice
That bridge does seem cool. But on my next build I'm gonna go with a floyd. Only because I did a warmoth build recently and made a baritone with a TOM bridge and was thinking "I need a baritone with a floyd."
I think this is the same trem that's on the Suhr Pete Thorn signature guitar.
Yes it is.
Is the Pete Thorn Suhr much better than your average guitar?
@@Mark70609 The easy answer is all Suhr's are better than average. The Pete Thorn sig is a specific guitar though. If you want a dual humbucker, 25.5" scale, mahogany body/neck guitar then yes, it's going to be nicer than an average guitar... The switching system on the Pete Thorn sig is very useful. Pete designed it to be a rock solid gigging guitar...
@@Mark70609 my average guitar is a Suhr Standard Pro, so probably not much better.
That's good cred, when a high-end model of guitar doesn't worry about following the Herd and having a 'Top 3' choice - instead only the most functional hardware, from A-Z. Less brand marketing and more player-focused.
Very impressive.
So why not make a deal with Wilkinson to sell the 1302 bridge and even have a 1302 rout option (with the proper stud hole)?
Thanks, honest reviews are greatly appreciated.
Aaron, have you tried the Floyd Rose Rail Tail?
Debate: Springs straight into the block, or springs at an angle? I prefer straight for tuning stability and recommend that way to my customers.
I've always done three springs, one straight and two angled. Don't know why. I guess I just like the symmetry. I've never thought about it any beyond that.
Been abusing trems for years. I had good luck with the Fender 2-point trem, better luck with the G&L trem, and best luck with Warmoth builds with the Wilkinson that was out in 2013. Earvana tusq nuts helped. Stays in tune mostly fine with severe tremming. Going slack, pulling up a step - no problem.
awesome video like always , could you guys make a video showing the sound difference between a floyd rose type of trem vs a vintage style trem ? I know people mitgh think is obivius but there not videos showing how exactly that difference sound like,. Love the channel , cheers guys.
I can't imagine there would be any meaningful difference. Then again, I don't hear much of a difference between body woods either, so what do I know?
A test on a CSL Sophia 2:92 would be cool.
Love the colour of that guitar dude...
That is called Northern Lights Dye. It's an off-menu finish you can if you call in. :)
@@warmoth
It just looks so cool 🤘
But if it where me i think i would have build it with black hardware, tuners and EMGs
Hey Aaron, what is the finish color of that guitar?? And have you tried the VegaTrem???
It's called Northern Lights Dye. It's an off-menu option you can get if you call in. I haven't tried the VegaTrem yet. I don't generally eat a lot of meat anyway, but I do enjoy a good hamburger every now and then, so I'm not sure I'm ready to commit to that lifestyle.
@@warmoth Ha! I see what you did there….🥸
Also there is a ws1300 , that is a ws300 , with the locking mechanism of the wilkinson 1302-p.
The only mechanical difference between a long and short trem block is the amount of spring tension required to balance it. The geometry, and therefore the rate of pitch change does not change. A shorter block will require more spring tension to balance with the string tension, so it will feel stiffer when pitching down, but less stiff when pitching up. Tuning stability is not an issue regardless of which you use. As you found out, tuning stability is more dependent on things like locking tuners, locking nuts, and low friction at the trem to body contact point. Two post trems with knife edge contact points are the best.
Hey, Aaron. The new website is really nice. Who should we contact about any problems we find with the new 'Build a Custom' stuff? It would be cool to be able to place your hardware on builds. Anyway, I can dream. I do have a question for you. Should/would the Gotoh wraparound bridge work in any instance, with the angled neck pocket TOM/STP option? Say, on a Strat, for example.
I love the tuning stability of those saddles but oh lord do I break strings exactly at the saddle locking point. Perhaps I am doing something wrong.
The video was very informative, keep it up.
Sorry for the multiple comments but a great cheaper alternative to this Wilkinson 1302 is the non-fine tuner Floyd Rose. Much more comfortable without the fine tuners getting in the way of my hands. From experience though, the non-fine tuner Floyd won't fit into a regular Floyd route due to a slightly wider baseplate. Would love to see a recessed route for this tremolo on Warmoth bodies :)
You are correct: the NFT Floyd does not fit in the normal recessed Floyd rout. We can do NFT as an off-menu option if you call in.
@@warmoth Thanks for letting me know :O I shall do that at some point
Cant find those Smoking Deals on the new website! Are they coming back?!
Search for Screamin deals in the search bar. ;)
@@warmoth Thanks so much! :D
I got the locking saddles for my Callaham vintage Strat trem. They work as advertised.
I've got a player plus Stratocaster with locking tuners and a regular modern strat trem (2 point) and I just use Big Bends Nut Sauce on my saddles and nut. It hardly ever goes out of tune. I'm still going to get a new trem eventually though, because the strat trem arm and block always get stripped. I'm trying to figure out what non locking trem that I should buy. I'd like one with the arm screw thing on top, like a Floyd.
Hi, Aaron! I want to order parts for a custom guitar and I think Warmoth could do it. Do you have a video or somthing that shows how to order it from the web page step by step? From the neck all the way to the body and electronics.
That last part is critical: try a 3x3 tuner angled headstock and you will get average to poor tuning stability (YMMV).
Haven't used it long enough yet to assess how well the knife edges hold up compared to alternatives though.
is that type of bridge gonna be available for sale?
Do you still have a in stock, left handed neck showcase?
Hi, can you make a video about Floyd Rose Prep With or Without Mounting Holes in the neck?
Good to see you're still doing videos. But too long between videos. If chambering effects the tone of a guitar can you do a comparison between a chambered body and a thin line body?
Well, you know....we've had some major stuff going on here for the last four weeks! :)
Both Wilkinson bridges come with a Steel Block?
I'm assuming the compact is what you'd want for say a Squier Strat with the thinner than normal body. I've seen trems for proper fender spec strats that have a block that pokes out of the Squier spec bodies.
Aaron, did you mean to say VIABLE or VAI-ABLE? Nice play on words. :D Thanks for going deep on this bridge's compatibility and performance. Personallly, I'll still stick with hardtails and pitch shifters but this should be good for players who make light and moderate use of vibrato.
Which Wilkinson Bridge compares to the Callaham Vintage/Narrow? Meaning it has Vintage Fender 2-7/32 Screw spacing ----BUT Modern or Narrow 2-1/16 String spacing. Help! Can't afford Callaham! Their prices are INSANE.
Thanks man that cleared up alot for me!
What do you call the finish on that guitar? Awesome. Very informative.
That is called Northern Lights Dye. It's an off-menu finish you can if you call in. :)
My only gripe with the Wilkinson 1302 is that it's too expensive as from what I understand, the tremolo is not Made in Japan by Gotoh like the VS-100N.
So, 1302 > 510 > VS100? Still can't get into the looks of both newer trems, maybe a shootout is in order eh? :)
you could add an LSR roller nut for the full Jeff Beck strat style
you guys ever gonna do a Evertune?
That’s great, but I’m still waiting to see if copper (or other material) shielding in a Strat style guitar.
I live for the day.
The trem bridge worked well.
So user error after all (?). You mentioned in the first video you were not sure what Wilkinson meant by “compact”
felicitaciones por la empresa que tienen, amo sus guitarras!!!
Thanks Aaron. Can Warmoth route a Tele body for the 1302 trem bridge?
Yes, we can do our Gotoh 510 rout on a Tele replacement body.
Do Warmoth carve some wood out of the bridge/block route like Suhr do to get extra range when dive bombing?
Will Warmoth do a route in the top of the body for an Illitch noiseless system?
Nope, and nope.
@@warmoth that’s a pity, it would be a good thing particularly to get more range from the trem bridge and Suhr does it so it must be a good thing.
Check out the Vega trem. Works just like a floyd and drops into any 6 screw or 2 screw fender type trem route.
It's just too damn expensive
SunnyD88 yeah it is.
Just a recommendation for Warmoth to maybe experiment with, but ESP has a clever feature for it's strat-like guitars called the CT head system where the headstock is angled back like 5 or 10 degrees (can't remember the exact measurement). That slight tilt back plus staggered locking tuners make string trees unnecessary as I understand when you have a non-angled regular strat headstock plus staggered tuners, the string pull is still not as great as when you have string trees.
Much of their market is "Strat" replacement necks, and they are flat. I agree though, that it would be a lovely option to have. However, a tilted back headstock means one of two things: 1) they need to have thicker neck stock which would increase prices, or 2) it would need a scarf joint, which is additional labor, again making for increased prices.
To the best of my knowledge… Unless they’ve changed the availability… Warmoth does offer a tilt back headstock option. I’ve owned one and I don’t think that there was an extra charge at the time. That being said, I did order it about 16 years ago… Wish I never sold it.
Yep, we already do certain headstocks as a tiltback, including our Strat® replacement. As necrojoe said, it uses a scarf joint.
@@warmoth and the one I had was fantastic… 24 three-quarter scale, stainless steel 6105 frets, 59 round back profile… Birdseye bored on a flame maple shaft with a 12 inch radius… I kick myself every time I think about that neck.
@@warmoth Yeah I now about the tiltback, I'm just saying that the CT head system might not need a huge change in manufacture processes because it uses a very slight angle, just enough to get rid of the string tree if used with staggered tuners. ESP achieves this with a single piece neck so that headstock breakage isn't a possibility. Here's where I read that staggered tuners may not be enough to achieve enough string pull hazeguitars.com/blog/rant-this-time-its-staggered-height-tuners?rq=staggered
Can we put the saddles to gotoh bridge 510?
nice!
the whole point of this trem is to fix the insurmountable flaw of strat trems where when you dive the bar hard the strings slide up the saddles and land in a new spot when the bar comes back up and stick there, coming back sharp.
thing is, the playing technique to get around this is to do just what aaron was doing, namely following each dive with an _up-pull_ and/or an up and down trem vibrato to "unstick" the strings off the saddles and get them back in tune. get good at this and regular strat trems can work just fine
the real test is to do what he did later in the video, namely to dive the bar hard, let it come back up to "zero" and that's it, no up-pull. that's where regular strat trems come back severely sharp on the G and low E mostly.
this one didn't! maybe there was a slight drift from the nut or keys or something but it totally fixed that primary problem, and a little up-pull and wiggling would have likely fixed that residual drift
Totally, I'm sitting here yelling at the screen, "pull up! Pull up! For the love of....." LOL I bet that would have knocked it back it tune if it was setup to float. A lot of 510s I see in the wild are decked which means they can't really do this.
Does this style Tremelo with the little balls cause any difficulties with palm muting ?
Njep!
great videos....what finish is on that guitar?
That is called Northern Lights Dye. It's an off-menu finish you can if you call in. :)
Great demo Aaron. Great vintage trem. Floydrose is king!
Just only buy the Wilkinson locking saddles on the Reverb Wilkinson webshop page if you have a Gotoh 510 tremolo.
A little wiggle after dive like that will release the nut sticking
sounds pretty good
That is a beautiful guitar.
Its the absence of the string trees, not the locking tuners. Don't believe me? Make one change at a time next time. When I'm in Washington I should have you play one of mine.
What about a Vegatrem??
That is pretty impressive! It went out of tune near the end, but so do a lot of guitars when you bend strings a lot on non-trem guitars during a gig.
Great stuff
That top is beautiful... the guitar... though the t-shirt seems cool too.
Wile E. Coyote is my spirit animal. :)
@@warmoth Did you get your plans for that double neck without a reverse headstock from Acme? ;)
Haha!! But yes.
That's a really gorgeous guitar, it's like a Suhr on a diet.
Great video!
I've had this bridge on a Suhr for 2 years. I replaced the Gotoh 510 that it came with. This bridge just works!
Just curious - why did you feel the need to swap out the 510 ? I've had a 510 on a Partscatser for a few years now and it's virtually bomb-proof, don't have any reason I'd want to swap it out, and I'm a really heavy trem user.
@@kevinmcguinness1113 I wasn't getting the tuning stability from the 510 that I needed. Pete Thorns demo of this bridge was enough for me to give it a shot. I'm also a heavy trim user and I can dump the bar with this bridge and it comes back in tune perfectly. Couldn't do that with the 510.
@RalphMercuroMusic fair enough, if it wasn't doing the job. It has to feel right for you 👍.
Funny thing is ... the reason I decided to use the 510 was because Guthrie Govan had it on his Suhr signature model for years. I thought at the time, if it was good enough for Guthrie ... absolutely no complaints, it's easily as good and as stable as any of the Floyd's, Ibanez Edge and EBMM bridges I've ever had.
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@@kevinmcguinness1113 It's a fantastic bridge for sure. I'm sure you know Guthrie moved on to a locking bridge on his Charvel sig. I have that same "Baby Floyd" on an Anderson and it works just as good as the Wilkinson locking bridge. Of course, a properly cut nut and locking tuners are part of the equation.
@RalphMercuroMusic yeah, I knew he'd changed, didnt know the reason for it.
That's cool. Yep, I've got Schaller locking tuners, Fender LSR roller nut, no string trees, HSS, scalloped maple neck, set up with 9s on E-flat. The whole system is bomb-proof - up a whole step, down to slack. I love it and it's my go-to when I'm doing ridiculous whammy stuff. I'd love to have the same stability on my other high-end guitars.
So let's see...Wilkinson locking saddles, Wudtone plate, Callaham block...yep, that'll do!
Will Warmoth make a jade pearl metallic color sometime in the near future?
No plans to.
@@warmoth 😢
Technically, if using locking tuners and saddles that lock the string down (such as the 1302 saddle you have there), that is double locking……😉
1:36 he means Wilkinson. 3:40 he means Wilkinson. It's ok, Trevor is a very sweet guy. But I'm not gonna lie, Aaron...I'm a little surprised you thought you'd have improved results with locking saddles without using locking tuners.
I've seen the biggest mistakes with this bridge is people are using it with nuts that bind, string trees, and traditional tuners. It's just one component in a system...
I wasn't under the impression I would have optimum results while using trees and regular tuners, but I wanted to try it that way first and see the results. The experiment made it pretty clear that all of it matters. There is no magic bullet. It's a system. Oh....and thanks for heads-up on the places where I mispoke. I'll add some cards in there to make it clear.
What finish is on that flamed top?
It's called Northern Lights Dye. It's an off-menu option that you can order if you call in. You can see more off-menu bursts on our Pinterest page here: www.pinterest.com/warmothguitars/warmoth-wood/
Vega trem is where it's at. Mini Floyd rose but doesn't look ridiculous. Holds tune super well. Lands action just right.
Only thing that sux is this trem costs almost 300 bucks!
nope, not the end all be all, essentially floating all the time, considerable gap behind the bridge on most trem routs, less sustain, ect.
You can do divebombs without problems!
I like being able to change strings fast, but I accept that with any guitar with a floating trem, I want to carry a second guitar in case I break a string. It doesn't matter if I can change one string in 1 minute or 3 minutes, with tools or without tools. I can't stop the show to change a string, so unless maybe the sound guy is able to do me a favour, I'm finishing the set on my backup guitar.
Yep, always bring two guitars. Changing a string mid-set is for wieners. The only exceptions are fly-dates. I only bring one, and have been lucky enough never to break a string in that scenario.
Any new players who are FOMO about a Floyd Rose, those are not a deal breaker... I'd sometimes rather have a Cali-style SuperStrat that sounds good and works simply than have all that extra hardware dominate the guitar's setup, feel and sound.
Early Eddie Van Halen stuff and all Richie Blackmore is just a Fender vibrato, the Wilkinson "Tremolo" Vibrato is that type of sound only way more reliable! And Floyds... are fine too. Sometimes.
I still say that a system that makes changing strings require tools is a no thanks. But thanks for the video. Spending your money so we don’t have to. 😉
Do you cut the strings at the tuner?
@@RalphMercuroMusic no. I break them off
@@andresilva8444 Lol
@@RalphMercuroMusic seriously. I broke so many cutters trying to cut strings when all you have to do is vigorously shake them and it breaks of at the tuner. No pointy ends cutting into your gig bag too.
@@RalphMercuroMusic don't some tuners have built in cutters? ;)
i eliminated the string tree's... has what looks like string tree's on the headstock.
They don't just look like string trees.....they are string trees. They aren't being used. The strings are passing right over them.
It's NOT a tremolo , it's a vibrato system .
Tremolo is variation of volume , variation of pitch ( that's what the thing does) is called vibrato .
Leo Fender got it wrong when he put "synchronized tremolo" on the headstock of the Stratocaster in 1955 . The mistake has been repeated, parroted for 66 years and counting .
Call it whammy bar , jangle handle , whatever , but do not call it tremolo because that's not what it is .
Just wait until you find out about starfish.
@@warmoth You've lost me . I'm talking about tremolo versus vibrato . What are you talking about ?
Can it do what a Floyd does?
Nope. It stays in tune relatively well, but it isn't rock solid like a Floyd is. It also doesn't have the range of travel that a FR does. And it's still fiddly like a Floyd, with all the little doo-dads that need to be tightened and untightened with every string change. I figure that if I need to use a hex-wrench anyway then I'll just stick with my Floyd.
@@warmoth Thanks for the reply :)
I think you meant to say wilkinson reached out to you , not Gotoh :)
Doh!
1:37 CC Says : "Oops meant to say Wilkinson." - Just so people know
Sadly..Just waiting for bend the G string
The new mobile site is terrible. You can no longer make custom configurations. I’m assuming it’s still an option on the normal site, if it’s not you’re going to lose a lot of business. People love the idea of being able to virtually build their guitar before buying it.
Huh? The custom builders were never available on the old site, but are 100% available on the new one.
Aaron, that looks like an unfinished neck sir. If it warps it's on you. 🤣🤣🤣
And the bars not in the block like a floyd fail
60 I minute 51 seconds - I hear that the guitar is no longer building!
and keep in mind the string are new and will go out of tune without doing anything :-)
I stretched them and played them for a while before doing the video.
First nerds
Why are we still calling this a "tremolo" bridge, when it's a "vibrato" bridge? As musicians, it makes guitar players seem stupid among the world of musicians. Y'know, vibrato is variation in pitch; tremolo is variation in volume, as in "tremolo picking." Is it some kind of perverse homage to Leo Fender's non-musicianship that caused him to incorrectly name the tool? IDK, maybe I'm just being picky, but, I don't understand why the entire guitar community has to prop up this stupid misnomer for the rest of eternity.
If this pisses you off, just wait until you find out about starfish. ;)
229 dollars for six holes with fixing screws on the saddles? kkkkkkkk