Prob cause season 1 serves up _a_ _lot_ of details, scenes and conversations. Even if you've watched the series a million times it's easy to overlook a lot of scenes in season 1. Sometimes I'm rewatching it and I can't believe the season is almost over but when these cable shows have limited episodes due to a lower budget they cram a whole lot in a small package.
@@TheWireUni yeah I mean. It's so layered (and probably because I have always binged) I discover new little details on each watch. Or in this case a whole fucking scene 🤦🏾♂️🙈
Cant lie seemed like a good idea bt deff was their downfall!!!! Allow him piece of their real estate evolved into the brother mouzone issue den omar shit went downhill since
No it was not. Sharing the connect with Prop Joe was Strings smartest move. It increased profit. It kept all the violence down, preventing the MCU from getting anything on them despite watching them for a year. Then the Towers came down anyway. Strings downfall was because Avon insisted on beefing with Marlo over corners they didn't even need.
Think the FBI raid’s in season one also had a effect on the NY connect. Made them more paranoid of the attention the law was having on their drug operations. Add in the the stuff that happened in season one and it's clear why Roberto decides to lay off on Avon and Stringer.
@@ElephasXFalconerijust because he did business with New York, doesn't mean he was from there. Maybe he is from Philly and things got hot for him there.
It's still a show, meant for your entertainment. You are a fool for taking all of it literally. If you are in that game, then you already know what's real and fake
@@josephtaylor-kennedy1420even if it’s still a show as you say the show prides itself on its realism and raw representation of life in Maryland at that time, even if it’s a form of escapism with fictional themes it still represents a particular lifestyle, all the viewer wants is their intelligence to not be insulted.
@@mrbossman6811 your intelligence has already been insulted if you expect any SHOW to be realistic enough to sacrifice its entertainment value F**l stop talking to me
@@mrbossman6811 I wish RUclips would stop erasing my comments... If "1" watches a show expecting the show to be truthful enough to sacrifice its entertainment value, then "1"'s intelligence is already insulted
@@josephtaylor-kennedy1420 but in the case of a crime drama especially this one it depicted the reality of life and criminal activity at that time, in fact the character of Omar is a real life person, of course it’s fictional but the elements of realism is what draws the audience in.
Could you upload the scene when stringer propose to give 2 towers to prop joe and avon answer with something like "that's not even an idea". Can't find it anywhere
At the time they just wanted Avon. At the end of season 1, String thought he was getting arrested with Avon but they let string go because Avon is who they wanted at that particular time.
I think this scene was deleted so that the NY connect remained vague. If they lost their connect with NY because of suspected snitching, then Avon's reputation was already smothered, there was no business with NY anymore, they couldn't have gotten any help from a Mouzone and Avond didn't have to give up stringer to save his reputation with NY.
It wasn't deleted but it may have been edited out when syndicated on certain stations. S2 was particularly heavily edited down, I believe. Many of the episodes were cut so they could run on network tv!
Cartels weren't that deep into the U.S during this time period, Pablo Escobar had recently gotten offed, El Chapo was still small time barely dipping his toes into the Southern part of U.S Cartles weren't anywhere close to distributing to people in New England during this shows time period...
Charlie was a cold dude I mean he sold dope like he was giving away water in a desert & he did the paperwork & permits for construction, damn String so close to connecting with him but damn Prop Joe & Clay Davis put the spin on him, playing them away games really hurt String.
@aabstraction Because he wanted to have a stupid pointless War over two small corners. His refusal to partner up with the Eastside & buy into the Co-Op caused unnecessary division on the streets, which brought more police heat & scared NY off. His ego lost them their top connect.
In crime as much as people say real estate or tuff has its value that doesn't justify weak product. Some guys stopped selling certain stuff in my street cause it wasn't the shit no more. No amount real estate stopped the addicts from buying across each other starting beefs that ended as soon as everyone got meth.
Interesting Stringer and Avon hold the phone in the right hand but put it to their left ear, running the cord across them. Only Avon’s sister holds it right hand to right ear.
During this time DR had the the coke game on smash if you weren’t known you wasnt getting served, they undercut everybody’s price thats why stringer didn’t want to lose that connect
They had no leverage, and Joe knew that. It's the reason he came to Stringer with the deal in the first place, he knew they was weak and desperate and used it to his advantage.
@@hopoff9968And Not To Mention They Didn't Have No Muscle Nor Product So They Really Weren't In A Position To Negotiate Anything. They Were Assed Out Completely.
Good question but Joe just wanted the prime territory and held all the cards. They were lucky it was Joe who cut a fairish deal and not a killer like Marlo back then when Avon was upstate.
Pro Joe drugs was garbage quality and Stringer is horrible at business. He acts like a good business man and he reads a lot of books, but he does not have good business acumen
@@wraynephew6838 You got it wrong. Joe had the good product, string and avon had the good real estate. It was actually a perfect combo which is why at the end you see the Co-Op eventually "Win". Even Avon at the end recognized this but it was too late.
Yeah too bad the show BMF is trash lol, I couldn't even make it through the second season, like wait a minute is this show about Big Meech or his parents love life drama hahahah man it was bad lol...
The phone scenes are good to advance the story. It isn't realiatic but makes for a better show. People used to get mad at the Sopranos for the messy gun play. "They would ger caught by the cops" people would say. But CSI wasnt the story David Chase wanted to tell. He could have put the work in to make the hits more sterile but that took time away, so its better to just roll with it imo.
The Wire is one of the greatest TV shows ever but these scenes never made sense to me. The Barksdales showed great discipline with coding pagers and not using names on the telephone, and later on making small purchases of disposable cell phones at different locations. So it never made sense that they would be openly talking about drug business on a prison phone, which they knew was monitored.
Just playing devil’s advocate here… because I agree as a former defense attorney it would be absurd for someone as seasoned as Avon to discuss drug business on a prison visitor handset. Having said that - I would think because of Avon’s pull with the guards they would turn off listening and recording his conversations. You’d have to make that jump without any evidence but it would make sense based on Avon’s pull in the prison . The guards were known to extend Avon a lot of courtesies and giving him privacy to discuss business with visitors would certainly be one he would ask for and get.
This was the start of the downfall really for Stringer and Avon, once they lost the NYC connect, they had to go to Prop Joe for the drugs and Prop Joe manipulated Stringer away from Avon with the co-op.
They were getting it from Roberto, who was their connect in New York before getting apprehended by the DEA. Stringer had the idea to get it from Joe, but Avon was against it.
One thing I didn't like about this show was those phones they are talking on in the county visit rooms, those are being recorded and listened to, lol you can't just talk business on those and be good lol... isn't this show called the wire, but no ones listenting to you while you are a drug kingpin and your people are visting you in jail? only when ur outside of jail yeh I could never get over that detail about the show made it goofy to me lol...
What early 2000s NYC dealer invest in such a knowledgeable and expensive lawyer? That right there is unrealistic. The fact many did not and came out after their bid with nothing... Also, as I recall it wasn't many DEA bust back then when you had the corrupt NYPD special units
Roberto couldn't even imagine the Baltimore Police being so bad at putting a case together that they could only get Avon a seven-year sentence.
And they had to go out of their way to even do that
The ongoing theme of follow the money in this show. Is the political ramifications of exposing how Drug money moves throughout the city.
@@WithoutRemorse12good point !
And witch possibility for a probation with good conduct this is some bullshit hahaha
It is still no match for the New Jersey branch of the FBI in the Sopranos.
Roberto went and cleaned his whole ack up. F-d us all up.
😂
lol 😂
what about Eggy Mule?
Stringers got a lot of moxie I'll tell you that.... But he couldn't fucking sell it..
Let me tell you who's not a good kid: Marlo.
Old man Proposition Joe, he knew how to split his enemies
I’m in awr of him 😅
@@ryankeogh6611 Stringer dies I can't even wear his shoes!!
Marlo had the JACCCCKKKKEEETT
Great detail in this. I never noticed Stringer talking about Tank and Country coming back into the crew.
I somehow, have never seen that talk with the lawyer. Literally just binged watch the entire show last week🤦🏾♂️👊🏾
Prob cause season 1 serves up _a_ _lot_ of details, scenes and conversations. Even if you've watched the series a million times it's easy to overlook a lot of scenes in season 1. Sometimes I'm rewatching it and I can't believe the season is almost over but when these cable shows have limited episodes due to a lower budget they cram a whole lot in a small package.
Happens to me a lot. Easy scene to miss, especially in Season 2
These scenes are from Season 2, but I get your overall point
@@TheWireUni yeah I mean. It's so layered (and probably because I have always binged) I discover new little details on each watch. Or in this case a whole fucking scene 🤦🏾♂️🙈
Nah bruh Ive watched this entire series 7-8 few times. Ive never seen that lawyer scene!
They losing there connect and going to prop Joe was Avon and stringer downfall
Cant lie seemed like a good idea bt deff was their downfall!!!! Allow him piece of their real estate evolved into the brother mouzone issue den omar shit went downhill since
they had no other choice
@@MrWaYmontana facts
No it was not. Sharing the connect with Prop Joe was Strings smartest move. It increased profit. It kept all the violence down, preventing the MCU from getting anything on them despite watching them for a year. Then the Towers came down anyway. Strings downfall was because Avon insisted on beefing with Marlo over corners they didn't even need.
Avon didn't know
Thank you for posting this!
No problem 💯💯
Vargas' rimshop in Atlanta was in the Yellow pages, that's why Avon did give an address or anything
Did we ever see Roberto?
Thanks for uploading this, never seen these clips on RUclips before
Nope, we never see Roberto... No problem! 💯
He makes a cameo in Futurama
Think the FBI raid’s in season one also had a effect on the NY connect. Made them more paranoid of the attention the law was having on their drug operations.
Add in the the stuff that happened in season one and it's clear why Roberto decides to lay off on Avon and Stringer.
Bingo
Hahah Another Random Perfect Scene that’s Nowhere on RUclips! Good Shit B…US!
Stringer was definitely in love with Roberto.
TV's greatest romance hands down
@@engineeertf2 100%
I don’t remember this scene at all!!!!!
Me neither.
What season was this?
@@bthaman1855 season 2 first episode
Me neither
Same
I'm sure Brother Mazoune getting shot didn't help with New York either.
This is before Brother
@@itsmob4life You are correct. My mistake. This leads to the hiring of Mazoune eventually. Thank you.
i never understood why is Brother even written as being from NY when he’s kinda clearly based on the Philly Black Muslim mafia
@@ElephasXFalconerijust because he did business with New York, doesn't mean he was from there. Maybe he is from Philly and things got hot for him there.
@@ElephasXFalconeriwhat are u talking about 😂😂😂
Talking on prison phones? Seems extremely risky
Who da f*ck would even give a shi
Too much talking on the phone especially a jail phone 😂😭
It's still a show, meant for your entertainment. You are a fool for taking all of it literally. If you are in that game, then you already know what's real and fake
@@josephtaylor-kennedy1420even if it’s still a show as you say the show prides itself on its realism and raw representation of life in Maryland at that time, even if it’s a form of escapism with fictional themes it still represents a particular lifestyle, all the viewer wants is their intelligence to not be insulted.
@@mrbossman6811 your intelligence has already been insulted if you expect any SHOW to be realistic enough to sacrifice its entertainment value
F**l stop talking to me
@@mrbossman6811 I wish RUclips would stop erasing my comments...
If "1" watches a show expecting the show to be truthful enough to sacrifice its entertainment value, then "1"'s intelligence is already insulted
@@josephtaylor-kennedy1420 but in the case of a crime drama especially this one it depicted the reality of life and criminal activity at that time, in fact the character of Omar is a real life person, of course it’s fictional but the elements of realism is what draws the audience in.
Could you upload the scene when stringer propose to give 2 towers to prop joe and avon answer with something like "that's not even an idea". Can't find it anywhere
That's why you need multi distributors if possible!! Easier said than done in that racket.
Stringer should’ve taken the jail sentence and Avon remained out.
At the time they just wanted Avon. At the end of season 1, String thought he was getting arrested with Avon but they let string go because Avon is who they wanted at that particular time.
I think this scene was deleted so that the NY connect remained vague. If they lost their connect with NY because of suspected snitching, then Avon's reputation was already smothered, there was no business with NY anymore, they couldn't have gotten any help from a Mouzone and Avond didn't have to give up stringer to save his reputation with NY.
I don't think it was a deleted scene, but I get your point. I swear I never saw this scene b4
It wasn’t deleted,it’s from season 2
It wasn't deleted but it may have been edited out when syndicated on certain stations. S2 was particularly heavily edited down, I believe. Many of the episodes were cut so they could run on network tv!
It's amazing none of the drug lords in Baltimore Avon, Prop joe, and Marlo didn't have any Cartels connections.
Cartels weren't that deep into the U.S during this time period, Pablo Escobar had recently gotten offed, El Chapo was still small time barely dipping his toes into the Southern part of U.S Cartles weren't anywhere close to distributing to people in New England during this shows time period...
@@FranklinSninskythe cartels were probably supplying Roberto and the Greeks
If only they had that French connect from them Italians. Or could get their supply from Charlie Sollers.
that would've been a crazy plot
That shit was 1970, w/ Purple Gang and Nicky Barnes
Charlie was a cold dude I mean he sold dope like he was giving away water in a desert & he did the paperwork & permits for construction, damn String so close to connecting with him but damn Prop Joe & Clay Davis put the spin on him, playing them away games really hurt String.
This was 100% Avon's fault.
Why?
@aabstraction Because he wanted to have a stupid pointless War over two small corners. His refusal to partner up with the Eastside & buy into the Co-Op caused unnecessary division on the streets, which brought more police heat & scared NY off. His ego lost them their top connect.
@@wolf7el356 This was all before the beef with Marlo
@@wolf7el356you dummiez just say random bs and don't even watch the show, just stfuz avon aint have shi to do with the co-op lmfaooo.
@@wolf7el356 Him losing the connect wasn't anyone's fault, plus this happened before Marlo was introduced. It was just an unfortunate circumstance
This was one scene that Idris British accent just couldn't get right 🤣
Stringer was at that amazing.
Restaurant in new york that serves grilled cheese prepared by the shah of iran himself..
"You need to go down to New York"
They are in Baltimore, which is below New York.
They’re goin’ downtown in a lillyaround and sugah we’re goin’ down swingin’
Just a couple of hours away
Seeing this makes me wonder how Orlando's connect woulda worked out.
Why are they talking on the phone? Don't prison conversations get monitored?
In crime as much as people say real estate or tuff has its value that doesn't justify weak product. Some guys stopped selling certain stuff in my street cause it wasn't the shit no more. No amount real estate stopped the addicts from buying across each other starting beefs that ended as soon as everyone got meth.
lol, I musta missed a lot of scenes skipping my way through season 2.
Dumb move. Grow up.
@ bro .. I will pull your ip stop playing
Interesting Stringer and Avon hold the phone in the right hand but put it to their left ear, running the cord across them. Only Avon’s sister holds it right hand to right ear.
3:00 Except Avon does exactly the opposite here. Haha
Can we get a compilation of michael turning into onar? Thanks
During this time DR had the the coke game on smash if you weren’t known you wasnt getting served, they undercut everybody’s price thats why stringer didn’t want to lose that connect
Never got why they never could but wholesale from Joe. String negotiated terribly. Surely he could have worked out a deal with less towers.
They had no leverage, and Joe knew that. It's the reason he came to Stringer with the deal in the first place, he knew they was weak and desperate and used it to his advantage.
@@hopoff9968And Not To Mention They Didn't Have No Muscle Nor Product So They Really Weren't In A Position To Negotiate Anything. They Were Assed Out Completely.
Good question but Joe just wanted the prime territory and held all the cards. They were lucky it was Joe who cut a fairish deal and not a killer like Marlo back then when Avon was upstate.
Pro Joe drugs was garbage quality and Stringer is horrible at business. He acts like a good business man and he reads a lot of books, but he does not have good business acumen
@@wraynephew6838 You got it wrong. Joe had the good product, string and avon had the good real estate. It was actually a perfect combo which is why at the end you see the Co-Op eventually "Win". Even Avon at the end recognized this but it was too late.
Listen how they talk about 0:36
This is science fiction.They wouldn’t be talking on the phone.
Yes. Prisons record all calls. There is no expectation of privacy for prisoners under the 4th Amendment.
I look at you these days Universe, and you know what I see? I see a man without a country....
Damn! 😂💯
What the fuck did Universe do?
A friend in Atlanta little BMF connection maybe
We need a spinoff .. Wire reloaded , Avon is released and he goes to Atlanta
Yeah Vargas sure sounds Black and not Hispanic to me
Yeah too bad the show BMF is trash lol, I couldn't even make it through the second season, like wait a minute is this show about Big Meech or his parents love life drama hahahah man it was bad lol...
Avon had his own radio show
Hooooo!
Not such a great friend considering he stepped on the product to oblivion
When you’re on the phone…….just picture 12 jurors in front of you.
Why don't you post deleted scenes?
Do they know phones are monitored? Lol
The phone scenes are good to advance the story. It isn't realiatic but makes for a better show. People used to get mad at the Sopranos for the messy gun play. "They would ger caught by the cops" people would say. But CSI wasnt the story David Chase wanted to tell. He could have put the work in to make the hits more sterile but that took time away, so its better to just roll with it imo.
The Wire is one of the greatest TV shows ever but these scenes never made sense to me. The Barksdales showed great discipline with coding pagers and not using names on the telephone, and later on making small purchases of disposable cell phones at different locations. So it never made sense that they would be openly talking about drug business on a prison phone, which they knew was monitored.
I was thinking this too…🤔🤨😕
Just playing devil’s advocate here… because I agree as a former defense attorney it would be absurd for someone as seasoned as Avon to discuss drug business on a prison visitor handset. Having said that - I would think because of Avon’s pull with the guards they would turn off listening and recording his conversations. You’d have to make that jump without any evidence but it would make sense based on Avon’s pull in the prison . The guards were known to extend Avon a lot of courtesies and giving him privacy to discuss business with visitors would certainly be one he would ask for and get.
I loved the intelligence of the real drug dealers.
1:06 *silvio voice* whats with you and Roberto’s fucking arrival
I agree I'd never do business with Avon and stringer they weren't moving quiet
thats the momma off snowfall
Stringer and avon crossed each other out
Word.
Yup.
This was the start of the downfall really for Stringer and Avon, once they lost the NYC connect, they had to go to Prop Joe for the drugs and Prop Joe manipulated Stringer away from Avon with the co-op.
@sharpl19 Buy for one dollar sell for two. Prop Joe motto is selling to dopefines business was big enough to go around, without bodies.
Yooooo!!!! That rim shop in ATL line sounds familiar 🤔.... I'm not saying its correct, but if you know, you know.
It wasn't a loss. Good riddens. Roberto stuff was weak. Joe had the best product.
"Non the less"
U cant talk on Jai phones like that
Everyone got problems in New York. Avon and Roberto, and the mafia and that pygmy thing over in jersey
avon
What happened to your man puffy
I remember the heroin was weak. Was they getting it from New York the whole time before prop Joe or they was just getting cocaine in New York.
Was that when stringer said we sell twice as much
@@DanoffRoad Yes.
They were getting it from Roberto, who was their connect in New York before getting apprehended by the DEA. Stringer had the idea to get it from Joe, but Avon was against it.
Yeah boy he needed that product from prop Joe they were down on their luck
One thing I didn't like about this show was those phones they are talking on in the county visit rooms, those are being recorded and listened to, lol you can't just talk business on those and be good lol... isn't this show called the wire, but no ones listenting to you while you are a drug kingpin and your people are visting you in jail? only when ur outside of jail yeh I could never get over that detail about the show made it goofy to me lol...
towson Towne center there townson towne there
That animal Avon's cousin...I can't even say his name, snitched on Wee Bey's whereabouts
Dominicans never talk on the phone
Damn i don't remember this scene
What early 2000s NYC dealer invest in such a knowledgeable and expensive lawyer? That right there is unrealistic. The fact many did not and came out after their bid with nothing... Also, as I recall it wasn't many DEA bust back then when you had the corrupt NYPD special units
The Greek put the DEA on Roberto for not paying what they owed
Stringer wearing Cartier Tank?
QGTM!!
Didnt the greeks have something to do with them getting jammed up?? Im not sure if tie in but i remember the greeks dropping a dime
Nope the greeks ratted on the colombians
Wasn't The Columbians Avon's Connect From New York Though??? @@mcw7947
Did James Carter lose his drug connect?