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What’s the difference between him and Capone and Avon and Torrio? Capone came up under Torrio and stepped up from a street hood/tough. Torrio was the actual boss, but Capone stepped up when Torrio got popped. You don’t know if a street hood can fill the boss shoes until the hood is in them. I think Slim got the respect of the streets the way he killed cheese with no repercussions or worries. Marlo was the one who doesn’t know how to do business by any means other than killing people. Charles never came from that crash dummy camp.
Good points. I could see him being like Butchie or Vincent. Something like an advisor to the current players. Imagine: The Lester Freamon of the streets.
@@heelspawn8023 nope kind of crazy . David simon n burns said it would of been on IMMigration. How crazy is that. Still so relavent or would have been . But they qould of somehow made it avobut central americans moving in foo. 🫡
Slim is the perfect mix of String, Prop Joe and Avon. He learned from all three of them. I think Slim may be cordial to Avon out of respect but he won’t put him in any pivotal positions. The Co-Op learned their lesson from Marlo.
I love that comment by Avon. It showed me that he was well read. That statement and when he chastised Stringer as being “a man without a country.”, a novel I think most of us have read at some point in our schooling makes me consider Avon to be book-smart as well as street-smart.
Love how you use the words "flip" and "the can" showing that even though you're now discussing the wire you're still heavily influenced by the sopranos! Haha
@@damianplasencia2708 I think he was meaning that those slang words are usually used by Italian organized crime where as the wire uses more black slang.
End montage shows Slim talking with the greeks and fat faced rick. Ostensibly hes working as muscle for rick. When Stringer is talking to Bunny the stipulation for Stringers info was Avon only serving the remainder of his sentence. With Marlos crew gone Avon still has the connections and respect to start up his operation again.
It’s funny because after all these years I’m only NOW seeing this idea. Everyone just assumed Slim was the boss (or co-boss). I’d say his body language in that scene seems to point to more than just a hitman, but it’s never clarified
I reckon Slim having had the confidence to dispatch Cheese so publicly, without consulting other co-op members and knowing it would at least be a temporary hindrance to all the CEOs getting the connect, and back to making money, by leaving them short the nine, it was always going to immediately result in either Slim instantly elevating to equal top level, or get him instantly shot on the spot. Slim decided on his actions without consulting others, laid it all out and took that risk with zero fear. It's the exact same 100% win/lose style play he made when Omar had a gun to the back of his head. Slim played the game, and let the game decide. I just don't see Slim doing all that to then just fade down to be Ricks muscle. Two other things: too our knowledge Slim was always muscle for hire, so he could have worked on retainer, or individual contracts, for other CEOs in the group before he joined Avon which maybe added to his confidence to act on Cheese and step up. He had good, longer term relationships with, or was at least personally respected by, Charter members to an even bigger extent than we see. Secondly, it was Rick who had Cheeses gun in his face, so perhaps he petitioned for Slim to be elevated to meet-the-Greeks boss level as a some what personal gratitude too. If Avon's story cont....Simple. He comes out of jail, is still respected, but there's no place at the top table for him, his control of territory is long gone. He'd want his corners, his power and success back; but there's still no way he'd be able to deal with the Eastside and Westside working together, so it'd be a massive danger to have him around. What the co-op does is send him off somewhere to start new. He'd have their top quality, bulk buy discount, New Day co-op Greek dope, but no muscle. He could tho use his line to New York to get the Greeks dope to replace the stepped on shit that they wholesale. Gets him out of Baltimore while saving face by massively expanding the co-ops reach and $$$. In NY Avon would probably be able to get gangster wild an shit if he wanted/needed to, maybe expanding his links territory in NY. They would already have muscle available. You'd also have the sweet possibility of involving a reappearing Brother Mouzone and the Nation of Islam much more into the orbit of the story which would have been really cool to see play out. A hired Brother and 'jus a gangsta I suppose' Avon teaming up to storm through NY taking corners would be such fantastic fan service 😅 Maybe too much😆
Avon wouldn't want to take it off of Slim, he would understand that everyone has their time and his has ended. He would be humble about it judging by what we know about his character. Avon will survive somehow anyway, he is a bona fide hustler and would adapt as Slim did to the senior role that he previously thought was above him.
Avon would eventually ascend to the rank of kingpin. somehow someway they’d need him. Because the king stays the king. That’s the moral of the story. Also it’s never confirmed the Greeks agreed to do any business with Rick and Slim and judging by how Sergei received Marlo I doubt that it’s likely and the co-op would likely need Avon’s name to secure the connect like Marlo had to do so yeah. Slim knew his place on the board and never tried to be anything else, which is why he maintained for so long. It’s not about not thinking a position is above you it’s about surviving by not overplaying your position like Stringer, Joe, Omar and many others did. :)
Avon is going to get the same line from Slim that Bodie got; "see the thing about the old days...is that they the old days" When Avon gets out, it'll be his turn to be "a man without a country".
You have to remember, when Avon got busted on season 1, he has NEVER been to prison before. But when he got locked up, he instantly became the king in there.. They never showed Avon fighting anybody in Jessup to become "king", he just had it automatically 🤷🏽♂️.. So if killers that's serving life can step aside for Avon to be "king", why can't Slim Charles do the same??.. Avon is the king of Baltimore no matter where he goes..
Considering that Avon was influential in Jessup, what's to say that don't extend to the streets? I'm sure Avon knowing that his old crew is gone could rebuild a new crew consisting of prisoners going home. He could give them orders to go out and plant their flags on the different corners. I heard of prison gangs expanding to the outside. It's not out of the realm of possibility for Avon to do the same.
That's not a theory , that's reality. Prison gangs taking over the streets. The young ones know they wind up there eventually. They even mule shit for protection going in. Survival getting tough in them streets. Back in the day there was no rico. Just going to the new stand with an identified member and stealing a chocolate bar get you tens years plus the shop lifting.
The first time Avon was away it was only a year, he came back to all his familiar people, and still got blindsided by Marlo and barely held on. Even that much confusion nearly drove him insane. No way he tries again after a long time with nobody in his corner and no sense of the streets. At most he's consigliere to the co-op and runs a legit local business.
If there’s one thing we’ve learned watching The Wire it’s that life goes on, and I don’t see a scenario where the writers would have Avon exit prison only to go back to the beginning. I can see an attempt made at reestablishing himself, but the way the show is written, it’d be more interesting and realistic to see how Avon survives in a world that’s moved past him. Maybe we see what kind of man Avon truly is when he has no crown to go back to.
@marcuslosgreat4225 What nonsense is this? Prison is full of people who were a little slow, a little late... I haven't met a single person who wishes they could go to prison in order to better run the streets.
@@HabitualLine-StepperBosses are still bosses in prison they have the trust of the supplier b/c they didn’t flip & still keep their connections b/c suppliers don’t won’t to deal with new ppl they don’t know or trust. Everyone gets caught eventually if they get big enough that doesn’t mean they lose their power once inside, if Marlo hadn’t taken over Avon would’ve beast back up his business with connections from the inside & outside jail doesn’t change much for a boss
If Avon was released, I could see him in an advisory role to anyone (smart enough) to listen. He would still have connections in/outside of prison and his name lives/legacy on. I could see him having some type of involvement with the game, because it's all he knows and he will likely do it until his last breath. Live by the sword die by the sword etc. Just my opinion, have a good day reader :)
You missed one of the key morals of the story. THE KING STAYS THE KING. Avon would more than likely be needed by the co-op to secure the Greek connect like Marlo had to do with Sergei and he would ascend to the top because it’s his connect. After rewatching season 5, I caught more context in the jail scenes between Avon and Marlo. Avon is clearly bluffing Marlo. He was notified that Marlo had been sending canteen money to Sergei and it caught his attention to who Sergei may be. He likely sat down with Sergei who then told him he doesn’t know Marlo and so Avon does some digging and finds out who Sergei is and why Marlo would be so interested in him. Then he sees Marlo is trying to set up a visit and tells Sergei to sit this one out and let him see what’s what (of course to flex and remind him who is really on top). I figure Marlo also peeps Avon’s bluff by how he looks and replies “oh really?” when Avon says Sergei’s been coming to him asking him who Marlo is. But because he knows Avon has the upper hand at the moment he concedes and takes the time to see what he can read about Avon like he did Stringer in their first meet up, but he can quickly deduce Avon is far from Stringer and was actually just chatting him up to size HIM up. And that 100K he charged was just the slap in the face, basically Avon telling Marlo he ain’t that impressed but he’ll work with him for a fee. And the fact he told Marlo to give it to Breonna tells this, he didn’t even need it. Breonna doesn’t mess with him so it’s not for her to hold it’s for her to have. lol. Now remember, Sergei is more familiar with Avon because they’re in jail together and he sees how Avon basically runs the prison. He’ll likely let the Greeks know that Avon is a big deal and they’d want to work with him off that merit. Also notice how Sergei was very standoffish with Marlo and did not care what he had to say until Marlo mentioned Avon was backing him, then Sergei’s *entire* demeanor changed and he looks a bit nervous then became more submissive in the conversation. Showing that Avon has left an impression on him. And Sergei is a hardened hitman for the mafia. In more ways than one those scenes were showing us THE KING STAYS THE KING. I don’t remember the show ever stating or showing that Rick and Slim Charles actually were able to secure the connect, just them speaking with the Greeks (to show who’s in charge now? I’m assuming lol). And given how much they just had to go through after losing Joe and then Marlo, I doubt the Greeks would be too keen to do any business with them right away but by the time Avon is released that may change so they’ll need Avon to secure the best connect (the Greeks). That’s how I’m thinking it would go given what the show’s shown us lol that it would likely play out the same way Marlo had to play it to get the Greek connect because just like him they’re essentially all just smart ass pawns and without a king you can’t play I can’t believe I didn’t catch everything that scene was telling us before. Or I could be looking too far into it. lol. But knowing the writers I think they intentionally showed that dynamic and left the state of the other drug dealers rather ambiguous to allude to that. Either way, damn this show is amazing 😮💨
That 100k was more than a slap in the face remember joe got avon for 100k in a basketball game avon knew marlo was tryna go behind joe's back and get in with the plug and that if he did he would probably knock off prop joe marlo was determined so it was gonna happen avon just acted as a catalyst to make it happen quicker that scene had little to do with marlo and avon.. it was about avon sticking it to joe one last time joe did some really devious stuff he gave omar weebay's pager # so he could get the drop on him and played stringer while avon was locked up which eventually brought down the barksdale dynasty remember the streets talk avon probably got word it was joe who gave omar the pager number and as he sat and thought about it in prison.. it was joe who finessed stringer with on the package while he was incarcerated so he could have them under his thumb
@@WittynotSilly I never said the scene had anything to do with Avon and Marlo SPECIFICALLY but that it was SHOWING US through their dialogue and behavior who is TRULY the king and hinting at certain things to show us Avon will be on top when he gets home FOR SURE if he so decides to what you said I don’t disagree with I caught that too but I was more focused on the power play lol
Avon would have been a useful asset to the co-op but only if he would have been willing to fall into line and accept that violence was not always the answer.
He might think about it, but ultimately it's improbable Slim would just step aside because Avon was out. Maybe if he was already thinking about retiring, and maybe if he didn't have any captains he trusted to take over, and maybe if Avon's resources and connections outside were still powerful...but that's a lot of maybes. Unless he was desperate for something Avon could offer I don't even think Slim would want Avon in his organization in any kind of position of power. Also I think Avon would be in real danger of getting killed by somebody looking for notoriety or somebody with a grudge. Even if he has some respect, there's no way that matters to as many people when he gets out, moreso the longer he was in the can. And if the time served ends up being on the shorter side instead, there's no way he doesn't still have a few enemies.
Exactly. I don’t think ppl understand who Avon actually is. Avon is the actual king of the streets. If he came out in a couple of years, Slim Charles would become Avons number two, he’s be his new Stringer. And Avon being wiser once he comes out, would embrace the Co-op, he’d be lowkey like he has always been, ppl forget Avon was the person nobody even had a picture of so cops never knew who he was. He’d embrace the co-op to honor Stringer as well I think.
What allot of ppl don’t seem to remember is Avon got that prison in the palm of his hand, supply and demand makes alittle bit of product go along way, up to 5 times street value, the game is still the game and the king hand is in that directly. The other thing, not to write a book but, everybody, the streets, the Greeks, and the narco police know that when the pressure was applied Avon stood firm. That goes along way with those looking to do business with you. Avon ain’t lost his step, and Slim know adding strength makes much more sense. Shiiiiiit, maybe they get it that Avon run the west and slim control the east, who knows.
Avon getting back in the game is more than likely because he’s the most respected out of the kingpins. People didn’t like Prop Joe because of his treachery and people didn’t like Marlo because of how much they feared him. Avon was much more respected and still feared to a degree. Honestly, it’s Avon’s choice
At the very least, Avon would have to get a new crew while dodging the police, rival gangsters, and stick-up crews. Slim has own kingdom to run, he wouldn't just hand it over to Avon.
Thing i always wonder about Avon is he's a gangster but Stringer put so much property in his and Avon's name it was prime real estate. Maybe I always hoped that Avon being very wise in the criminal sense would know his time has come and gone and his reputation is in tact. He would take all that legal money and real estate and retire out the game. Becoming like Frank Costello a mediator to listen and mentor younger players in the game.
You're thinking outside the box. That property has probably appreciated nicely. I hope it's being managed properly while Avon is locked up. He also got that 100k from Marlo while he was locked up. Avon might step back on the set as the King indeed.
I can’t see slim turning OP to Avon, when he told bodie “respect dawg respect u don’t even know who u talking to” ..with cutty, slim has a healthy respect for the game and honorable players in it…🤴🏾✊🏾
The thing about slim Charles is that he truly did respect his position and respected loyalty I think he would have stepped aside for Avon when he returned home after all he killed cheese because he was loyal to Prop Joe. Somebody concerned with keeping the big seat wouldn't do something like that and the other members of the co-op pointed this out
Slim only said he wasn’t cut out to be the CEO was to not work directly under Marlo. Slim is now the King. Slim learned from Avon and Prop Joe, and he actually was the smartest pawn. Avon will likely be like Vince or Butch once he got out.
The only throne Avon is going to have when he gets out is the kind that flushes. No people, no infrastructure, no special connect. Honestly, I think the only way he has any real relevance when he gets out is if he finds some other gig, like Cutty.
Avon wouldn't even come at Slim like that. He knows and respects who Slim is. He knows he would have to fight for it and he may not be in position to do it...
Things that you shared can definitely be noted. Avon might have indeed changed. After word got out that Stringer was killed and Slim sat down with him, Viewers saw Avon finally looking at the game from another perspective. Yet the one thing that makes me think it is possible that Avon at least had a hand in it all was his connection to the Greeks with the Russian Sergei. I felt it was very believable that after Slim took out Cheese, he went to Avon who arranged a meeting with the Greeks through Sergei on behalf of the Co-op. Aside from Slim, the other person whom Avon seem to be on cordial terms with in the Co-op was Fat Face Rick (whom I believe was Westside Baltimore as well). I think it is believable that Avon did what Slim suggested to Marlo that he could do. Avon along with Sergei just laid back after setting things up for Slim and Rick to sit and meet with the Greek and distribute everything to the rest of the Co-op. All of the previous definitely makes more sense when you consider how all of a sudden Slim was very inquisitive with Marlo when he said he was out of the game and how willingly and easily he took out Cheese who otherwise was the Co-op's way into getting connected with the Greeks with the money he was willing to put up. Avon was the Co-op's connection to the Greeks after Marlo got out out the game and Slim Charles help to set it up. #anothermansopinion
If they had a season 6 of the wire it would’ve been cool to focus more in the prison side of things this go round and we can keep Avon in the fold. It would’ve been a great add on.
I think Slim would keep his place at the top but I think Slim would throw Avon a lifeline of some sort out of loyalty. Slim and Avon were like minds they didn't clash like Avon did with String.
HBO with all the acclaim The Wire has gotten over the years has really slept on a movie where Avon gets out in 2024 and fails to take over and reforms. I can see him going to Cutty for help and now his boxing gym is a huge success so of course he gives Avon, a former champ, a job and then he gets into TV and film projects.
I feel like Slim would give the chair back to Avon and play muscle with territory. Remember Marlo offered him that position at the co-op meeting and he turned it down
3:35 I feel it’s pretty obvious based on his first stint in prison that Avon would work another plan to get out in a year or 2. The level of thinking ahead he had to use in that situation shows he will get out sooner with another plan! If he gets out in less than 2 years he still will be the king as he still has brother mouzone on his side and he still has his name… in that world and that life rep and name are nearly everything. Also Slim would respect him and I feel like they could come to an agreement of sorts as they are both reasonable people… I could see Slim taking the East side and Avon taking the West I find it hard to believe Avon would be down and out if only given a couple of years. Now if he would have gone to prison for 7-15 years or something like that then there’s little chance he would be able to reclaim anything quickly or even at all… he would probably resemble Cutty
Ideas like that don’t just grow on trees. Avon was very forward thinking but also very lucky to have a confluence of events to take advantage of. I highly doubt he could execute a plan of that difficulty a second time.
@@andrewmartin7697 why what honestly makes you say that? He’s literally the top dog in prison… he has eyes and ears everywhere. He has connections in and outside of prison who are still loyal to him It’s not hard to believe that a man that can get anything he wants into prison (drugs, KFC, TVs, video games) couldn’t scheme up another plan like that 😂. Like will it be the easiest thing in the world no but it definitely wouldn’t be that difficult
The problem with that theory is since he severely violated his probation, he had to serve the remaining years of his original sentence. And Daniels say "let's see if we can't add 20 years for Conspiracy" he's either doing the rest of a 7 year bid or is in there for at least 25 years
@@nathand4500 When Avon gets out of prison (assuming they were only able to make him serve the rest of his original sentence without seeing a jury) he will *go after* the crown. I'm not assuming Slim Charles will just hand it to him, Avon will do his best to obtain it, the same way Marlo went after it.
The answer is no, Avon would not reclaim his throne because he doesn’t have the same crew anymore because everyone is gone… also in real life in the streets, dudes have gotten killed trying to reclaim “their territories” from younger dealers for years… in fact we saw this happen to Marlo after he got out of prison and went back to the block that same night… he wasn’t even in jail for a month in the last two episodes and them dudes already started taking over his corners he lost when they got indicted…
The last thing Avon is going to want to do is try to take the top spot after he'd get out. He paid very close attention when Cutty basically went through the same thing and Avon totally respected him for feeling like that. Almost like he knows deep down if it were him, that that is what he hopes he'd do.
Sad trivia, the nephew Nathan "Bodie" Barksdale, the inspiration for Avon, Dante Barksdale was killed a few years back in Baltimore while working as a violence interrupter.. His killer was found not guilty by a jury. This ties into the comment about people not respecting what happened yesterday.
I was expecting you to explain why the idea of Avon becoming king again is ridiculous and to not go beyond that. But you surprised me with some original takes. Avon becomes the deacon? That never would’ve occurred to me because I didn’t know the actor who played the deacon was Avon’s irl counter part. It’s nice to learn something new.
Na man it was clear that slim became the number 2 to Avon when the beef started with stringer he was just holding it down till Avon came home... the king stay the king
I'd like to believe that a much older Avon, gets out of the can, and starts to fly straight. Maybe teaming up with Gus and McNulty, to make a TV series about the state of Baltimore, where Avon gets to play a wise preacher man. Also, the game is very intense, and Slim can either catch a bullet or a case, in the next 5-10 years. Even smart characters on the Wire, eventually find themselves cornered, with no option out. And Slim ain't even the begging type. Do what you feel, is all he would say to a gunman. It's very optimistic to think that any of the same faces will be in the game, once Avon does his decades.
I could picture a scenario where the Greeks eventually get shut down, and Avon uses his connects from the joint to maintain a new source..Even the Greeks have a smaller and upcoming replacement for themselves as The Wire has shown us constantly?
It makes no sense for Avon to have power inside prison or out. His crew and money are gone. The best he's got is influence. He still knows a few people, and some still give respect even though the power is gone.
Honestly, the king does really stay the king, because the Greek is the actual king of Baltimore not even Avon. Also, Avon still has a whole lot of influence from New York, from New Orleans, and from I believe Atlanta as well.
@@LaneD83 I might be mistaken but season 2 when Avon was in jail and the Dominicans in New York cut them off. He was working on a connect from down south….i think it’s New Orleans lol
Avon would have nothing to come back to when he gets out. When Avon went in the first time, Stringer was sitting in for him, keeping the seat warm, but when he went in this time, his organization on the streets was disbanded, it would be to difficult for him to rebuild his organization.
Remember that The Wire is cyclical. The war broke Avon like the joint broke Cutty. The game has to have someone willing to run the risks and Avon isn't that guy anymore. I believe he would become an OG and pass the game to the younger generation. Avon, in a way, becomes Cutty and Slim elevates to kingpin.
I like that you’re doing videos of The Wire. I think it’s the greatest show ever made. But why do you have to quote the show so much? I know you’ve done it before with the Sopranos but it just feels wrong with this show.
Avon didn't want any part of the co-op before, he wouldn't after he got out of prison either. If he decided to get back into the game, he would have just started fresh, same as Marlo was after giving up the crown. "I'm just a gansta I suppose, and I want my corners."
Yeah, no.. Avon was someone b4 anyone else became someone. Also, from someone who’s been outside since I was 10yrs old, Avon coming home would change the landscape & he’d ABSOLUTELY be the man!!!! Comparing Bodie to Avon is disgusting as well. Your worse take yet 7:35
Avon would come out of prison and realise Stringer was right. The Co-op worked. So Avon becomes the next Stringer Bell, trying to use the more stable Co-op to earn a legitimate income for him and his friends/allies 🙂
Cudnt Avon be able to cut off the co-op link from the greeks from poison if he knows he is coming out and use that as leverage over said co-op to become king again?
I always find it so strange that this guy starts his videos with an in depth description of the series. Would anyone not already super familiar with The Wire watch a video about "What happens when Avon gets out of prison?"?
How the hell did Avon run an organization that big and not have any money left? If I was in his position I would have thought of hard times in the good times 💯
Like any business, if nothing is coming in and everything is going out. The cash will eventually dry up. Plus the simple fact his sister wants nothing to do with him and just continues her life of running a Salon. All of his Muscle is dead or in jail and his assets were seized when he violated parole. All those factors can leave any remaining money to dry up. At best he has physical cash buried in a backyard somewhere
Avon would be red hot. Wouldn't be good to have him near the CO op Avon has no crew . He would have to build a crew and negotiate product starting again.
If the show remained true to IRL which I imagine it would, Avon would be released and step back from the throne. At least publically. You never seen prominent gangsters come back to their roles in middle/old age.
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Avon: I was the king back in the old days...
Slim: Thing about the old days is...
They the old days....
EXACTLY......been saying that for years anytime I hear the theory that Slim hands it over once he gets out.
Avon wanted it to be one way…..
King stays king nigga Avon had pull even behind bars you should watch it again and learn something
But it’s the other way
“Slim is the clear winner”
My thought, “Now”
The wheel is always turning and Slim is still in the game.
Some make it out. Slim definitely fits the bill being both good at his job, lucky and respected.
Slim ain't cut out to be no CEO
Not a high ranking capo for Marlo at least
Is Succession talk still there?
Yea Slim is more of a COO (Chief Operating Officer) for the street making sure everything on the street run smoothly
@@Deriv44 Slim Wambsgans.
What’s the difference between him and Capone and Avon and Torrio? Capone came up under Torrio and stepped up from a street hood/tough. Torrio was the actual boss, but Capone stepped up when Torrio got popped.
You don’t know if a street hood can fill the boss shoes until the hood is in them. I think Slim got the respect of the streets the way he killed cheese with no repercussions or worries. Marlo was the one who doesn’t know how to do business by any means other than killing people. Charles never came from that crash dummy camp.
Its a great day when CR drops a video!!!
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Never clicked on something so fast in my life
Good points. I could see him being like Butchie or Vincent. Something like an advisor to the current players. Imagine: The Lester Freamon of the streets.
Wish we got one more season of the wire
Yeah. And season 6 could be based on the prison system, Avon, Weebey, Chris & Ziggy Sabotka could've been main characters etc.
@@heelspawn8023 That would of been so dope.
@@heelspawn8023 nope kind of crazy . David simon n burns said it would of been on IMMigration. How crazy is that. Still so relavent or would have been . But they qould of somehow made it avobut central americans moving in foo. 🫡
@@heelspawn8023that would’ve of been cool but ehh. It ended before it got bad.
Agreed it was perfect
Slim is the perfect mix of String, Prop Joe and Avon. He learned from all three of them.
I think Slim may be cordial to Avon out of respect but he won’t put him in any pivotal positions.
The Co-Op learned their lesson from Marlo.
He learned from Marlo also.
Avon would become the Junior Soprano of The Wire.
Loool Junior was a clown. Never really respected by his people. Never had the crown
More like Richie Aprile
Avon is way more respected you are trippin
"You need a Day of the Jackal type dude for that, not a rumble and tumble type dude like Slim."
@AlephTroll THE Clay Davis?
I love that comment by Avon. It showed me that he was well read. That statement and when he chastised Stringer as being “a man without a country.”, a novel I think most of us have read at some point in our schooling makes me consider Avon to be book-smart as well as street-smart.
@@HabitualLine-Stepper Down-Town Clay Davis?
Avon didn't say dude. Lol.
@@AlephTroll “That name supposed to mean something to me?” Lol.
Love how you use the words "flip" and "the can" showing that even though you're now discussing the wire you're still heavily influenced by the sopranos! Haha
Charles Schwab over heeerre...
sopranos dont own the words "flip" and "the can" lol wtf
@@damianplasencia2708 shut up nerd
@@damianplasencia2708 I think he was meaning that those slang words are usually used by Italian organized crime where as the wire uses more black slang.
End montage shows Slim talking with the greeks and fat faced rick. Ostensibly hes working as muscle for rick. When Stringer is talking to Bunny the stipulation for Stringers info was Avon only serving the remainder of his sentence. With Marlos crew gone Avon still has the connections and respect to start up his operation again.
Bingo!
It’s funny because after all these years I’m only NOW seeing this idea. Everyone just assumed Slim was the boss (or co-boss).
I’d say his body language in that scene seems to point to more than just a hitman, but it’s never clarified
Rick stays the king and Slim is the pawn that made it to the other side?
I reckon Slim having had the confidence to dispatch Cheese so publicly, without consulting other co-op members and knowing it would at least be a temporary hindrance to all the CEOs getting the connect, and back to making money, by leaving them short the nine, it was always going to immediately result in either Slim instantly elevating to equal top level, or get him instantly shot on the spot. Slim decided on his actions without consulting others, laid it all out and took that risk with zero fear. It's the exact same 100% win/lose style play he made when Omar had a gun to the back of his head. Slim played the game, and let the game decide. I just don't see Slim doing all that to then just fade down to be Ricks muscle.
Two other things: too our knowledge Slim was always muscle for hire, so he could have worked on retainer, or individual contracts, for other CEOs in the group before he joined Avon which maybe added to his confidence to act on Cheese and step up. He had good, longer term relationships with, or was at least personally respected by, Charter members to an even bigger extent than we see. Secondly, it was Rick who had Cheeses gun in his face, so perhaps he petitioned for Slim to be elevated to meet-the-Greeks boss level as a some what personal gratitude too.
If Avon's story cont....Simple. He comes out of jail, is still respected, but there's no place at the top table for him, his control of territory is long gone. He'd want his corners, his power and success back; but there's still no way he'd be able to deal with the Eastside and Westside working together, so it'd be a massive danger to have him around. What the co-op does is send him off somewhere to start new. He'd have their top quality, bulk buy discount, New Day co-op Greek dope, but no muscle. He could tho use his line to New York to get the Greeks dope to replace the stepped on shit that they wholesale. Gets him out of Baltimore while saving face by massively expanding the co-ops reach and $$$. In NY Avon would probably be able to get gangster wild an shit if he wanted/needed to, maybe expanding his links territory in NY. They would already have muscle available. You'd also have the sweet possibility of involving a reappearing Brother Mouzone and the Nation of Islam much more into the orbit of the story which would have been really cool to see play out. A hired Brother and 'jus a gangsta I suppose' Avon teaming up to storm through NY taking corners would be such fantastic fan service 😅 Maybe too much😆
@@silvercomicAvon is the King not Fat Face Rick
Avon wouldn't want to take it off of Slim, he would understand that everyone has their time and his has ended. He would be humble about it judging by what we know about his character. Avon will survive somehow anyway, he is a bona fide hustler and would adapt as Slim did to the senior role that he previously thought was above him.
Avon would eventually ascend to the rank of kingpin. somehow someway they’d need him. Because the king stays the king. That’s the moral of the story. Also it’s never confirmed the Greeks agreed to do any business with Rick and Slim and judging by how Sergei received Marlo I doubt that it’s likely and the co-op would likely need Avon’s name to secure the connect like Marlo had to do so yeah. Slim knew his place on the board and never tried to be anything else, which is why he maintained for so long. It’s not about not thinking a position is above you it’s about surviving by not overplaying your position like Stringer, Joe, Omar and many others did. :)
The king stays the king y’all do not understand wtf is going on
@@Smokeynephewabk the game is the game you dont understand that. there been many kings
Avon is going to get the same line from Slim that Bodie got; "see the thing about the old days...is that they the old days"
When Avon gets out, it'll be his turn to be "a man without a country".
You have to remember, when Avon got busted on season 1, he has NEVER been to prison before. But when he got locked up, he instantly became the king in there.. They never showed Avon fighting anybody in Jessup to become "king", he just had it automatically 🤷🏽♂️.. So if killers that's serving life can step aside for Avon to be "king", why can't Slim Charles do the same??.. Avon is the king of Baltimore no matter where he goes..
Avon them had c os bringing in dope he was making money off them
Avon will rise again.
Slim Charles is loyal and would never take the lead role unless he truly inherited it. Enough said. “If it’s a lie then we fight on the lie”
Damm i miss this show! I think i might have to binge watch it for the3rd time.
Considering that Avon was influential in Jessup, what's to say that don't extend to the streets? I'm sure Avon knowing that his old crew is gone could rebuild a new crew consisting of prisoners going home. He could give them orders to go out and plant their flags on the different corners. I heard of prison gangs expanding to the outside. It's not out of the realm of possibility for Avon to do the same.
Yeah, the reason the major prison gangs have influence on the streets in the first place is because of their influence in prison.
That's not a theory , that's reality. Prison gangs taking over the streets. The young ones know they wind up there eventually. They even mule shit for protection going in. Survival getting tough in them streets. Back in the day there was no rico. Just going to the new stand with an identified member and stealing a chocolate bar get you tens years plus the shop lifting.
@@CallMeUbbaDrugs are also a huge business in jail & make plenty of $ for bosses, they also make new connections in jail to get more influence
The first time Avon was away it was only a year, he came back to all his familiar people, and still got blindsided by Marlo and barely held on. Even that much confusion nearly drove him insane. No way he tries again after a long time with nobody in his corner and no sense of the streets. At most he's consigliere to the co-op and runs a legit local business.
There are no holding places in the street! Avon will be older. Avon is going to be like Cutty when he gets out! Streets are always changing! 😢
If there’s one thing we’ve learned watching The Wire it’s that life goes on, and I don’t see a scenario where the writers would have Avon exit prison only to go back to the beginning. I can see an attempt made at reestablishing himself, but the way the show is written, it’d be more interesting and realistic to see how Avon survives in a world that’s moved past him. Maybe we see what kind of man Avon truly is when he has no crown to go back to.
The prisons run the streets. If you have power in prison you will have power on the streets
@marcuslosgreat4225 What nonsense is this? Prison is full of people who were a little slow, a little late...
I haven't met a single person who wishes they could go to prison in order to better run the streets.
I can tell you’ve watched mayor of Kingstown.
@@HabitualLine-StepperBosses are still bosses in prison they have the trust of the supplier b/c they didn’t flip & still keep their connections b/c suppliers don’t won’t to deal with new ppl they don’t know or trust. Everyone gets caught eventually if they get big enough that doesn’t mean they lose their power once inside, if Marlo hadn’t taken over Avon would’ve beast back up his business with connections from the inside & outside jail doesn’t change much for a boss
@@HabitualLine-StepperJohn Gotti was still the boss of the Gambinos when he went to jail. La Eme aka Yhe Mexican Mafia controls LA’s HIspanic Gangs.
Nobody respects a failed criminal some dudes in prison got rank most of them is goofies
If Avon was released, I could see him in an advisory role to anyone (smart enough) to listen. He would still have connections in/outside of prison and his name lives/legacy on. I could see him having some type of involvement with the game, because it's all he knows and he will likely do it until his last breath. Live by the sword die by the sword etc. Just my opinion, have a good day reader :)
6:00 "Up in this bitch here, he's what you might call an authority figure" 😂😂😂😂 I almost crashed
Maybe a turn of events leads to Avon someday joining Cutty, helping train kids to box!
You missed one of the key morals of the story. THE KING STAYS THE KING. Avon would more than likely be needed by the co-op to secure the Greek connect like Marlo had to do with Sergei and he would ascend to the top because it’s his connect. After rewatching season 5, I caught more context in the jail scenes between Avon and Marlo. Avon is clearly bluffing Marlo. He was notified that Marlo had been sending canteen money to Sergei and it caught his attention to who Sergei may be. He likely sat down with Sergei who then told him he doesn’t know Marlo and so Avon does some digging and finds out who Sergei is and why Marlo would be so interested in him. Then he sees Marlo is trying to set up a visit and tells Sergei to sit this one out and let him see what’s what (of course to flex and remind him who is really on top).
I figure Marlo also peeps Avon’s bluff by how he looks and replies “oh really?” when Avon says Sergei’s been coming to him asking him who Marlo is. But because he knows Avon has the upper hand at the moment he concedes and takes the time to see what he can read about Avon like he did Stringer in their first meet up, but he can quickly deduce Avon is far from Stringer and was actually just chatting him up to size HIM up. And that 100K he charged was just the slap in the face, basically Avon telling Marlo he ain’t that impressed but he’ll work with him for a fee. And the fact he told Marlo to give it to Breonna tells this, he didn’t even need it. Breonna doesn’t mess with him so it’s not for her to hold it’s for her to have. lol.
Now remember, Sergei is more familiar with Avon because they’re in jail together and he sees how Avon basically runs the prison. He’ll likely let the Greeks know that Avon is a big deal and they’d want to work with him off that merit. Also notice how Sergei was very standoffish with Marlo and did not care what he had to say until Marlo mentioned Avon was backing him, then Sergei’s *entire* demeanor changed and he looks a bit nervous then became more submissive in the conversation. Showing that Avon has left an impression on him. And Sergei is a hardened hitman for the mafia. In more ways than one those scenes were showing us THE KING STAYS THE KING.
I don’t remember the show ever stating or showing that Rick and Slim Charles actually were able to secure the connect, just them speaking with the Greeks (to show who’s in charge now? I’m assuming lol). And given how much they just had to go through after losing Joe and then Marlo, I doubt the Greeks would be too keen to do any business with them right away but by the time Avon is released that may change so they’ll need Avon to secure the best connect (the Greeks). That’s how I’m thinking it would go given what the show’s shown us lol that it would likely play out the same way Marlo had to play it to get the Greek connect because just like him they’re essentially all just smart ass pawns and without a king you can’t play
I can’t believe I didn’t catch everything that scene was telling us before. Or I could be looking too far into it. lol. But knowing the writers I think they intentionally showed that dynamic and left the state of the other drug dealers rather ambiguous to allude to that. Either way, damn this show is amazing 😮💨
That 100k was more than a slap in the face remember joe got avon for 100k in a basketball game avon knew marlo was tryna go behind joe's back and get in with the plug and that if he did he would probably knock off prop joe marlo was determined so it was gonna happen avon just acted as a catalyst to make it happen quicker
that scene had little to do with marlo and avon.. it was about avon sticking it to joe one last time joe did some really devious stuff he gave omar weebay's pager # so he could get the drop on him and played stringer while avon was locked up which eventually brought down the barksdale dynasty
remember the streets talk avon probably got word it was joe who gave omar the pager number and as he sat and thought about it in prison.. it was joe who finessed stringer with on the package while he was incarcerated so he could have them under his thumb
@@WittynotSilly I never said the scene had anything to do with Avon and Marlo SPECIFICALLY but that it was SHOWING US through their dialogue and behavior who is TRULY the king and hinting at certain things to show us Avon will be on top when he gets home FOR SURE if he so decides to what you said I don’t disagree with I caught that too but I was more focused on the power play lol
Avon would have been a useful asset to the co-op but only if he would have been willing to fall into line and accept that violence was not always the answer.
He might think about it, but ultimately it's improbable Slim would just step aside because Avon was out. Maybe if he was already thinking about retiring, and maybe if he didn't have any captains he trusted to take over, and maybe if Avon's resources and connections outside were still powerful...but that's a lot of maybes. Unless he was desperate for something Avon could offer I don't even think Slim would want Avon in his organization in any kind of position of power.
Also I think Avon would be in real danger of getting killed by somebody looking for notoriety or somebody with a grudge. Even if he has some respect, there's no way that matters to as many people when he gets out, moreso the longer he was in the can. And if the time served ends up being on the shorter side instead, there's no way he doesn't still have a few enemies.
The King is the King regardless, Slim would welcome him home, bring him up to speed and the two would be like the original Avon and String.
Exactly. I don’t think ppl understand who Avon actually is. Avon is the actual king of the streets. If he came out in a couple of years, Slim Charles would become Avons number two, he’s be his new Stringer. And Avon being wiser once he comes out, would embrace the Co-op, he’d be lowkey like he has always been, ppl forget Avon was the person nobody even had a picture of so cops never knew who he was.
He’d embrace the co-op to honor Stringer as well I think.
What allot of ppl don’t seem to remember is Avon got that prison in the palm of his hand, supply and demand makes alittle bit of product go along way, up to 5 times street value, the game is still the game and the king hand is in that directly. The other thing, not to write a book but, everybody, the streets, the Greeks, and the narco police know that when the pressure was applied Avon stood firm. That goes along way with those looking to do business with you. Avon ain’t lost his step, and Slim know adding strength makes much more sense. Shiiiiiit, maybe they get it that Avon run the west and slim control the east, who knows.
Avon would still want to kill him for going ro the east side
Avon getting back in the game is more than likely because he’s the most respected out of the kingpins. People didn’t like Prop Joe because of his treachery and people didn’t like Marlo because of how much they feared him. Avon was much more respected and still feared to a degree. Honestly, it’s Avon’s choice
At the very least, Avon would have to get a new crew while dodging the police, rival gangsters, and stick-up crews. Slim has own kingdom to run, he wouldn't just hand it over to Avon.
I love how you quote characters when talking about them, "I'm just a ganngster I suppose" 😄
Thing i always wonder about Avon is he's a gangster but Stringer put so much property in his and Avon's name it was prime real estate.
Maybe I always hoped that Avon being very wise in the criminal sense would know his time has come and gone and his reputation is in tact. He would take all that legal money and real estate and retire out the game. Becoming like Frank Costello a mediator to listen and mentor younger players in the game.
You're thinking outside the box. That property has probably appreciated nicely. I hope it's being managed properly while Avon is locked up. He also got that 100k from Marlo while he was locked up. Avon might step back on the set as the King indeed.
I can’t see slim turning OP to Avon, when he told bodie “respect dawg respect u don’t even know who u talking to” ..with cutty, slim has a healthy respect for the game and honorable players in it…🤴🏾✊🏾
Avon Barksdale could end up cleaning his whole ack up
fuck us all up
The thing about slim Charles is that he truly did respect his position and respected loyalty I think he would have stepped aside for Avon when he returned home after all he killed cheese because he was loyal to Prop Joe. Somebody concerned with keeping the big seat wouldn't do something like that and the other members of the co-op pointed this out
Slim only said he wasn’t cut out to be the CEO was to not work directly under Marlo. Slim is now the King. Slim learned from Avon and Prop Joe, and he actually was the smartest pawn. Avon will likely be like Vince or Butch once he got out.
Thais Video Made really made me Wang to rewatch the wire, i will start tomorrow !!!! Thanks
The only throne Avon is going to have when he gets out is the kind that flushes. No people, no infrastructure, no special connect. Honestly, I think the only way he has any real relevance when he gets out is if he finds some other gig, like Cutty.
Slim Charles lowkey my favorite character.
Avon wouldn't even come at Slim like that. He knows and respects who Slim is. He knows he would have to fight for it and he may not be in position to do it...
Things that you shared can definitely be noted. Avon might have indeed changed. After word got out that Stringer was killed and Slim sat down with him, Viewers saw Avon finally looking at the game from another perspective. Yet the one thing that makes me think it is possible that Avon at least had a hand in it all was his connection to the Greeks with the Russian Sergei. I felt it was very believable that after Slim took out Cheese, he went to Avon who arranged a meeting with the Greeks through Sergei on behalf of the Co-op. Aside from Slim, the other person whom Avon seem to be on cordial terms with in the Co-op was Fat Face Rick (whom I believe was Westside Baltimore as well). I think it is believable that Avon did what Slim suggested to Marlo that he could do. Avon along with Sergei just laid back after setting things up for Slim and Rick to sit and meet with the Greek and distribute everything to the rest of the Co-op. All of the previous definitely makes more sense when you consider how all of a sudden Slim was very inquisitive with Marlo when he said he was out of the game and how willingly and easily he took out Cheese who otherwise was the Co-op's way into getting connected with the Greeks with the money he was willing to put up. Avon was the Co-op's connection to the Greeks after Marlo got out out the game and Slim Charles help to set it up. #anothermansopinion
If they had a season 6 of the wire it would’ve been cool to focus more in the prison side of things this go round and we can keep Avon in the fold. It would’ve been a great add on.
B&B didn’t have their properties confiscated from what I remember.
I think Slim would keep his place at the top but I think Slim would throw Avon a lifeline of some sort out of loyalty. Slim and Avon were like minds they didn't clash like Avon did with String.
HBO with all the acclaim The Wire has gotten over the years has really slept on a movie where Avon gets out in 2024 and fails to take over and reforms. I can see him going to Cutty for help and now his boxing gym is a huge success so of course he gives Avon, a former champ, a job and then he gets into TV and film projects.
Some people are better at being number two’s
Slim would NEVER go against Avon PERIOD!
I feel like Slim would give the chair back to Avon and play muscle with territory. Remember Marlo offered him that position at the co-op meeting and he turned it down
Well Avon would end up making a show about it once he gets out
The guy that Avon was based on plays the Deacon
3:35 I feel it’s pretty obvious based on his first stint in prison that Avon would work another plan to get out in a year or 2.
The level of thinking ahead he had to use in that situation shows he will get out sooner with another plan!
If he gets out in less than 2 years he still will be the king as he still has brother mouzone on his side and he still has his name… in that world and that life rep and name are nearly everything. Also Slim would respect him and I feel like they could come to an agreement of sorts as they are both reasonable people… I could see Slim taking the East side and Avon taking the West
I find it hard to believe Avon would be down and out if only given a couple of years.
Now if he would have gone to prison for 7-15 years or something like that then there’s little chance he would be able to reclaim anything quickly or even at all… he would probably resemble Cutty
Ideas like that don’t just grow on trees.
Avon was very forward thinking but also very lucky to have a confluence of events to take advantage of.
I highly doubt he could execute a plan of that difficulty a second time.
@@andrewmartin7697 why what honestly makes you say that? He’s literally the top dog in prison… he has eyes and ears everywhere. He has connections in and outside of prison who are still loyal to him
It’s not hard to believe that a man that can get anything he wants into prison (drugs, KFC, TVs, video games) couldn’t scheme up another plan like that 😂. Like will it be the easiest thing in the world no but it definitely wouldn’t be that difficult
The problem with that theory is since he severely violated his probation, he had to serve the remaining years of his original sentence. And Daniels say "let's see if we can't add 20 years for Conspiracy" he's either doing the rest of a 7 year bid or is in there for at least 25 years
I think Slim wouldn’t mind sharing the crown with Avon
Avon still had connections in New York. He gave up Stringer and didn't snitch .
He has a reputation. His name still means something
The king stay the king. Avon takes the crown, no questions asked.
But why?
@@nathand4500 When Avon gets out of prison (assuming they were only able to make him serve the rest of his original sentence without seeing a jury) he will *go after* the crown. I'm not assuming Slim Charles will just hand it to him, Avon will do his best to obtain it, the same way Marlo went after it.
The answer is no, Avon would not reclaim his throne because he doesn’t have the same crew anymore because everyone is gone… also in real life in the streets, dudes have gotten killed trying to reclaim “their territories” from younger dealers for years… in fact we saw this happen to Marlo after he got out of prison and went back to the block that same night… he wasn’t even in jail for a month in the last two episodes and them dudes already started taking over his corners he lost when they got indicted…
Can’t forget that in that montage Marlo was back in the streets
As soon as Avon comes back from jail he will either retain his title or pass it to Slim permanently and exit outta the game
The last thing Avon is going to want to do is try to take the top spot after he'd get out.
He paid very close attention when Cutty basically went through the same thing and Avon totally respected him for feeling like that. Almost like he knows deep down if it were him, that that is what he hopes he'd do.
👏👏👏 excellent take
Sad trivia, the nephew Nathan "Bodie" Barksdale, the inspiration for Avon, Dante Barksdale was killed a few years back in Baltimore while working as a violence interrupter.. His killer was found not guilty by a jury. This ties into the comment about people not respecting what happened yesterday.
He goes to get a pit sanwich..lotta horse radish(medium rare) and proceeds to give it to weebey. Followed by a voucher for exotic fish
I was expecting you to explain why the idea of Avon becoming king again is ridiculous and to not go beyond that. But you surprised me with some original takes. Avon becomes the deacon? That never would’ve occurred to me because I didn’t know the actor who played the deacon was Avon’s irl counter part. It’s nice to learn something new.
I always said a movie could be made of what happens when Avon got out. It should have happened 8 years ago
An Avons movie might 🤔 but maybe Marlo might still be in the game has a bank to some younger drug dealer
I feel like Avon would get out and help cutty run the gym.
Good theory, Mr golden gloves did have that type of heart 💜
Avon loved that life too much.
What about his corners?
@@AllActionFootball men change if they dont death is around the corner .
Na man it was clear that slim became the number 2 to Avon when the beef started with stringer he was just holding it down till Avon came home... the king stay the king
remember slim charles said I'm not cut out to be a ceo when marlo tried to give him a top spot, so yes slim is a straight soldier peace
First off Avon doesn't care about being in the Co-op but then again he did say Stringer was right!
I'd like to believe that a much older Avon, gets out of the can, and starts to fly straight. Maybe teaming up with Gus and McNulty, to make a TV series about the state of Baltimore, where Avon gets to play a wise preacher man. Also, the game is very intense, and Slim can either catch a bullet or a case, in the next 5-10 years. Even smart characters on the Wire, eventually find themselves cornered, with no option out. And Slim ain't even the begging type. Do what you feel, is all he would say to a gunman. It's very optimistic to think that any of the same faces will be in the game, once Avon does his decades.
Avon is too smart to think he could just come back and take over. He would’ve been like a Consigli give wise words and fall back
I think that the co-op would give him a package. If he could still do his thing, he could become a senior member
I could picture a scenario where the Greeks eventually get shut down, and Avon uses his connects from the joint to maintain a new source..Even the Greeks have a smaller and upcoming replacement for themselves as The Wire has shown us constantly?
It makes no sense for Avon to have power inside prison or out. His crew and money are gone. The best he's got is influence. He still knows a few people, and some still give respect even though the power is gone.
Honestly, the king does really stay the king, because the Greek is the actual king of Baltimore not even Avon. Also, Avon still has a whole lot of influence from New York, from New Orleans, and from I believe Atlanta as well.
New Orleans? Whoa what episode was that cause I missed that one.🤔
@@LaneD83 I might be mistaken but season 2 when Avon was in jail and the Dominicans in New York cut them off. He was working on a connect from down south….i think it’s New Orleans lol
Avon would have nothing to come back to when he gets out. When Avon went in the first time, Stringer was sitting in for him, keeping the seat warm, but when he went in this time, his organization on the streets was disbanded, it would be to difficult for him to rebuild his organization.
His most effective trait for years was the fact the cops didn’t know him but after season one he lost his anonymity
Michael is Omar, Chris is Wee Bey, and Avon is the deacon.
Remember that The Wire is cyclical. The war broke Avon like the joint broke Cutty. The game has to have someone willing to run the risks and Avon isn't that guy anymore. I believe he would become an OG and pass the game to the younger generation. Avon, in a way, becomes Cutty and Slim elevates to kingpin.
I don't think Slim wants to be on top. That's just how things worked out.
I like that you’re doing videos of The Wire. I think it’s the greatest show ever made. But why do you have to quote the show so much? I know you’ve done it before with the Sopranos but it just feels wrong with this show.
They can’t just keep adding years…once you are charged they can’t keep charging your sentence.
Need the final chapter.
The sopranos messed up going down that route. They gotta just keep it how it is. Nothing more to add really.
Avon didn't want any part of the co-op before, he wouldn't after he got out of prison either. If he decided to get back into the game, he would have just started fresh, same as Marlo was after giving up the crown. "I'm just a gansta I suppose, and I want my corners."
The king stays the king. Till he dies or gets locked up forever.
After Marlo I don't think their would be another "King" it seems like the coop would be in control.
Yeah, no.. Avon was someone b4 anyone else became someone. Also, from someone who’s been outside since I was 10yrs old, Avon coming home would change the landscape & he’d ABSOLUTELY be the man!!!! Comparing Bodie to Avon is disgusting as well. Your worse take yet 7:35
Avon would come out of prison and realise Stringer was right. The Co-op worked. So Avon becomes the next Stringer Bell, trying to use the more stable Co-op to earn a legitimate income for him and his friends/allies 🙂
Avon knew his empire fell. Charles is now the plug. He's the new prop Joe. This vid makes no sense. Joe is not Avon.
Exactly 💯
The thing about the old days, they the old days
Marlo and Avon are the only two kingpins that didn’t want no part in the New Day Co Op
What is up with at least half of your videos Have some weird cutting. 1:07
see the pinned comment
No! Not by the hair's of my chenny chen chen!!😂😂😂😂
Cudnt Avon be able to cut off the co-op link from the greeks from poison if he knows he is coming out and use that as leverage over said co-op to become king again?
I think they could partner up together they would be a force Avon would need him to survive it would be up to Slim
the show hints at things being cyclical, maybe he becomes the new Cutty as they share boxing roots
Prison controls the street my guy. I still love the channel though. Most people think prison is the end when its actually Harvard on steroids.
I always find it so strange that this guy starts his videos with an in depth description of the series. Would anyone not already super familiar with The Wire watch a video about "What happens when Avon gets out of prison?"?
How the hell did Avon run an organization that big and not have any money left? If I was in his position I would have thought of hard times in the good times 💯
Like any business, if nothing is coming in and everything is going out. The cash will eventually dry up. Plus the simple fact his sister wants nothing to do with him and just continues her life of running a Salon. All of his Muscle is dead or in jail and his assets were seized when he violated parole. All those factors can leave any remaining money to dry up. At best he has physical cash buried in a backyard somewhere
Avon would be red hot. Wouldn't be good to have him near the CO op Avon has no crew . He would have to build a crew and negotiate product starting again.
If the show remained true to IRL which I imagine it would, Avon would be released and step back from the throne. At least publically. You never seen prominent gangsters come back to their roles in middle/old age.