Omg how do you forget the sealing blade of itachi in the 3 phase because he definitely will seal at least 2 beast no to mention de 10 tails I even seen a situation where nagato try to revive Madara and itachi sealed before Madara wake's up Or if he do amaterratsu and Obito need to kamuy the amaterratsu, is so easy for itachi to stop the revive of the ten tails
I just wanna say edo itachi is seriously insanely underrated. If itachi is in control I just assume the enemy wouldn’t out smart or suprise him with little outliers. His win cons are broken when he’s completely ready to spam them
Itachi is very underrated in todays age, its a response to the wank that he used to have like 7 years ago, but no one actually wanks him that much anymore. But now everyone just downplays him cause they are stll salty over the wank he used to get back in the day. @@SubZer00fucksgiven
What made Madara dominate the division was the fact he had EMS and Rinnegan. Itachi and Nagato basically have that covered: with Nagato’s Rinnegan and Itachi’s MS being spam-proof due to being an Edo.
Itachi never had EMS and the fact he lost sight after Izanami means he had the same flaws in his eye that he did while he was alive. Nagato’s rinnegan was also ironically the weakest we see in the series. Obito with one had a much stronger “pain team” and Madara was just a different level overall, able to control all 9 bijuu effortlessly. It’s not even a comparison with Itachi and Nagato to Madara. Madara clears easily.
@@teeboz6237 Izanami would also blind an EMS (Madara’s EMS went blind after using Izanagi). Itachi demonstrated plainly he can spam MS abilities with fatigue as an Edō. They don’t have to equal Madara in strength. Madara is overkill. But they have enough strength and enough of his strengths to overwhelm them.
I think you missed the fact that Kabuto was the one controlling Nagato when Itachi and Co sealed him. If it is the free will of Nagato then he would fight differently and they don’t get that same opening
@@jackhall290 getting no diffed by your opponent when u are NOT IN control of your physical body is not the same. If itachi was the target he’d been dead. But he wasn’t so he had openings. The point remains itachi isn’t as strong as him. nagato has counters for itachi. Which he didn’t get to use for plot.
@@treylearns634 Good luck getting through to Itachi fans lol. They want to scale his susano'o sword & shield to a perfect Susano'o. We all know that's cap and at best it's similar to destructo disc from DBZ. The fighter's base susano'o isn't all that & we've seen Madara yanked out of his by a mere kage. Nagato has so many answers for Itachi who doesn't have a rinnegan to counter rinnegan abilities. I do believe due to Nagato's insane crowd control, Itachi would further add to that with amaterasu if needed, but the spirit sword is a nice setup or distraction if Nagato has to go for a planetary devastation.
Can we talk about the SYNERGY these two have? Nagato can trap everyone in a Chibaku Tensei and Itachi can light it up with Amaterasu, you AIN'T winnin' that fight chief.
Hashirama's words about Itachi are meant to draw attention to differences between Sasuke and Itachi despite them being bros. He calls Itachi a better man than him, but in response to sasuke and his ambitions he has to flex a little bit and scare him out of his ideas. Yet Hashirama doesn't notice how these differences in personality despite blood relation are reflected between him and his own brother. Ya'll are correct that the statement is not about strength at all, but ultimately dynamic bonds of brotherhood.
People really think itachi and Nagato is faster than the raikage lol. Naruto got mental amped like crazy and the entire point of that encounter was showing how Naruto surpassed Minato. The duo still beats the 5 kage though but I think people really underestimate the raikage speed alot
I think it’s a fair enough take depending but I can understand why this may not be the case for some others. Like they’re not leagues apart in speed or anything, it’s just personal perception of certain scaling points.
They are faster bare minimum same speed tier. Killer bee is supposed to be his equal and they are faster than him. Naruto didn't surpass minato in kcm 1. Minato literally froze raikage in place and naruto just dodged him
@@ThunderGodTG true I think they're relative too. we can also accept there are a lot of minor inconsistencies in the show when it comes to speed. Boruto reacting to fused momoshiki when he should literally be a status was the worst.
Naruto did NOT get “mental amped like crazy.” Naruto even says as he’s trying to get past the Raikage “I have to increase my speed.” He’s testing out a power he is NOT experienced with using and is only continuously getting faster to the point that after the Raikage lets him pass his SHADOW CLONE can outspeed the Third Raikage
@@Noblesavage31 guy is only a step above Kisame, and Kakashi is about the same. Edo Itachi and Nagato should be two steps above that (KCM1 blitz’d Kisame, and then Nagato 2v1d them).
@@Noblesavage31 Itachi has been stronger than Kakashi Since his introduction (and not by a little....A LOT) and Kakashi only ever passed bro when he Got dual Ms. So Kakashi is already Down for the count. Guy said to be his equal but I PERSONALLY think guy is stronger but even then he can't 1v1 any of them by himself. And before you suck his 8 gates mode off....itachi and nagato have so much in their arsenal they I doubt they'd even let bro do that..if they do let him however; I mean He would die sooo...........L😂😂
32:52 I think it’s just the fact that it’s a jutsu. Kakashi can’t use fireballs forever, but he can probably fire a lot of them. In the same vein, it definitely drains the Raikage, but we haven’t seen much to suggest its an insane drain.
Fyi the Nagato we saw as EDO was controlled by Kabuto. It was Kabuto who used the jutsu through Nagato. It wasn’t really nagato himself controlling his own thoughts and actions and that is a massive factor into how well he performs. Canon wise we see being the case. Kabuto is sat there thinking or which move while nagato was stationary
I really love these videos. Just wanted to also say I appreciate J saying that context matters when bringing up what a character says because you definitely have to try and consider what the context of the conversation is referring to especially when they are saying certain things about power levels and he covered that very well.
28:15 I wouldn’t go as far as to say they’re faster than the Raikage; I feel like they can fight at the same tier of speed, but everything past that is nebulous, given the nature of their fights with KCM1 Naruto.
@@ThunderGodTG Which is actually my favorite aspect of your channel; your insistence on paying heed to the multi-faceted nature of scaling, and the multiple interpretations at play.
Something I would have loved to have seen in the anime was Sasuke and edo Itachi teaming up to take on Edo Madara. Itachi being a part of the group to take on ten tails Madara would have been so hype as well.
Edo Itachi and Nagato would be devastating. Itachi could literally pull up like Madara and use a Perfect Susanoo with the Tosuka Blade and Yata Mirror while being backed up by Almighty Pushes and Chibaku Tensei's. And and both can steal souls in one hit (Tosuka Blade & Human Path ability)
Madara , obito, nagato (red hair) , just kcm2 naruto, (no sage mode on top) itachi, then the bijuu, might guy 7th gate then Kakashi. That's how I'd rank them from strongest to weakest
@@Spexz07 Idk about 7th gate guy being below all the tailed beast, unless you meant the 10 tails or whatever. Hard to really scale all of those and Guy. Guy in 7 gates should be able to pacify a tailed beasts with them hands, and kicks, obviously.
Kinda seems like a missed opportunity to not talk about how Guy using the 8th gate as a last resort might have effected the outcome of this what-if. If it came down to either everyone dying, or Guy sacrificing himself to try and stop Obito and Madara, I'm pretty sure he'd choose the latter. And if he's strong enough to take on Juubi Madara, he'd likely be way stronger and faster than all the reanimated jinchuriki, as well as Obito and Madara, possibly even the 10-tails itself. The only issue would be Obito's intangibility and Edo-Madara's infinite chakra and regeneration, but Guy using the 8th gate might give them the advantage they need to figure out how Obito's Kamui works. This could also allow Itachi the time needed to try and go get Kabuto to release his Edo Tensei. In the end, they'd still have to come up with a way to deal with Edo-Madara, but I feel like Guy choosing to open the 8th gate would make the outcome of this fight far closer and more interesting than what you guys made it out to be. Good job on the earlier phases though!
If Guy uses the gates before Itachi leaves to find Kabuto, then he can hit Madara into the totuska blade or throw him. Now if Itachi is gone, then he can hit or restrain Madara long enough for Bee to try and ink seal Madara
@@Noblesavage31 the thing is its just stupidly op. and what alot of people forget is that it can change shape, so its not like you can just go around it
@@Noblesavage31 yeah but when he says that he doesnt mean it in the sense that theres a perfect counter he just means stuff like, i will eventually run out of chakra and that would class as a weakness. you could say that the weakness of edo is that you cant get a mental amp but they arnt really weakness its just that they are less good at it.
@@mryellow6918 can't Guy just use the evening elephant like he did against Madara to bypass the yata mirror? Granted it's step by step but the yata mirror would have to defend one side leaving itachi open in the other sides. Also the fact it was able to damage juubi madara it should be able to break through or at least make the susanno vulnerable
I'd love to see Sage Mode Naruto (Kurama Fight) and 5 Kage Summit Sasuke (Danzo Fight) vs the 5 Kage (Madara fight). I think they could take it 6 out of 10 times.
Pretty much this. I don't think they would have done any better than Madara if I'm being honest. There's a few times were they catch Madara slipping and he gets out of it because he's Madara. I don't see Itachi and Nagato doing the same.
I don’t know. You can argue Kabuto used Madara simply because he wanted to see what he could do. It wasn’t until Madara fought the alliance that Kabuto saw what he was capable of. Especially considering that right beforehand he tells Madara to show him what he could do.
@@murddeath how can you compare itachi to madara itachi wasnt a hashirama cell CRACK ADDICT / say this base itachi with no hashirama cells vs itachi is laughable
@@jasonmoukala8909 itcahi has the best genjutsu, an it’s strong enough to kill a tail beast and the host he could really get both in genjutsu if it was that kind of battle
I'd like to add to your argument; regarding the tactic Gaara used against Madara to pull him out of the Susanoo, Nagato could just pull Itachi back with bansho tenin rendering the move ineffective. I don't think it's a stretch to say Nagato's pull is stronger than Gaara's.
Man it just get worse for everyone 😂 nah bro the combo moves these two could pull of us actually disgusting, Sasuke in the anime showed us a glimpse with Bansho Tennin into flame control
I agree with much of what you guys have said. My only thing is that the yata miror is supposed to nullify ninjutsu … not taijutsu specifically. So it negging partical style has no barring on tsunades punches
Ok imagine Madaras Majestic Destroyer Flame but it’s Amaterasu; it’s an open ass field and Itachi with his 7 Quintillion IQ would immediately use the black flames to annihilate a lot of Shinobi; Gaara can’t protect everyone with his Sand
While sitting in a yatta mirror susano surrounded by an army of renniegan summons Amaterasu around the back of the entire army so it draws them closeer into you
Another to remember Madara was hyped up since the first couple of episodes of shippuden so i mean of course hes gonna be stronger and have more baddass scene. Plus this got two very different personalities itachi isn't someone who flexes power
Agreed. Anyone who analyzes the scene for more than a few seconds can almost immediately tell madara was there to make people shit their pants. Itachi almost never does that. Plus the fact that he’s in the anbu is enough proof that itachi doesn’t like full on confrontation without a backup plan.
Honestly I feel like this discussion is more interesting with just one of them, Itachi or Nagato. There really isn't a strong argument for both of them together being beatable here.
People using Hashirama's itachi statement are the same people who would intentionally try to say Sasuke could beat Madara because of Hashirama saying he was the only one that could do so while completely removing the context of the very next panel where Hashirama says it's because he reminds him of Izuna. Some folks love that uchiha wank 😂
I'd argue that he solo'd more than 1/5 considering the Leaf Village is notably stronger than any of the other villages. More like he solo'd 1/3 of the entire alliance while in a weaker form and weaker state. Add to it the fact that the number we're using is from the beginning of the war when the alliance was at max capacity, and this takes place after they had lost many thousands to zetsu clones and the other edo tensei. Edit: To clarify, I'm bolstering your point not arguing against you in case that isn't clear. Text based discussion loses so much nuance with no tone of voice.
If the battle really started to turn out poorly for the heroes, then Might Guy would ceetainlt open the 8th gate, as he was willing to do it against the 6 path tailed beasts. And once he does this, all the enemies, except Obito, get stomped. Guy can speedblitz edo Madara and hit him into Itachi's tostuka blade. Same with Nagato
I can totally see a scene where The Five Kages think they won by sealing up Itachi and Nagato like they did Madara only for the two bodies to scatter into crows. While they are all like "HUH?" with their dumbass, Nagato just drops an large ass animal summoning on them GG Also, please do Anbu Itachi vs. Hebi Sasuke
I wanna give this hebi sasuke simply because he's beat itachi at this point and itachi might not have ms yet if he has ms it's a fair fight but itachi wins better eyes better vision
@@ThunderGodTGI believe it was a comment on some of the jutsus not being used on either side. As y’all didn’t bring up the weighted or light boulder technique or that Mei could melt the sussano and possibly the ground?
Oh yeah those are very fair I just don’t think those particular jutsu are fast enough or that Onoki would get close enough to use weighted boulder due to Nagato and Itachi not letting them combo up like Madara did, but it at least deserved some recognition so my fault on that.
@@ThunderGodTG Okay. Though wouldn’t gar be able to do something similar to what he did to Madara? I personally just think it’d be a closer match. I do think Itachi and Nagato would win but barely
A lot of the stats they got against Madara he blatantly let them do, not only is it in character for Madara to let people bash against the Susanoo ribcage, but he was letting to Kage combo him with their jutsu repeatedly. While it always possible the fundamental character differences are actually what make it so the Kage don’t really have a chance at least imo
Great video. But i just wanted to point out that even after absorbing bee chakra nagato doesn't gain full mobility. Kabuto specifically points this out when he got hit by the totsuka blade. The threshold for him to gain full mobility must be pretty high if he can even gain full mobility. He would still havoc on the battlefield though.
Few problems with this, you didn’t mention 8 gate guy or sasuke like they both aren’t game changers. I feel like ems sasuke mixed with kcm 2 sage mode naruto would best madara and Kakashi and guy would handle
They weren’t part of the original narrative in these altercations and that is what we based the video on (meaning only 6th gates Guy since that is who we see in the manga at thus point). Thats why they’re not discussed. Also Itachi knowing Guy would most likely just take him out first because he’s aware of his mastery over the Gates.
And if you really think about it, 4th raikage wasn’t moving too fast for ohnoki, otherwise they couldn’t use the lightened speed and weighted hits in conjunction. Pretty sure if ohnoki can react, itachi and nagato should be ok
Good video, well put together. One critique that stands out to me, your speaking partner needs work, it was very jarring to listen to him speak vs TG. Seemed really nervous or just trying to throw in big words to sound smart. Something to consider improving on an otherwise perfect video
@ThunderGod if we do this in character this like mentioned several times in the video. Madara could slip up and get cocky and play with his food and leave himself open to Itachi hitting him with the Totsuka Blade. Madara and Obito are massively stronger than everyone else here but Itachi simply has the most broken weapon in the series. I wouldn’t say it is far fetched that Madara would slip up and get sealed by Itachi.
Itachi was getting blitzed by Kabuto, and hit multiple times. His definitely not KCM 1 level in speed. Even alive itachi was getting hit by Sasuke in their fight. It’s fair to say Naruto was holding back in that engagement, as he didn’t even use 1 Jutsu. I think Itachi can perceive KCM Naruto’s movements but not at full speed body flicker. If you say perception is the same as movement speed, then Sage Naruto is faster than KCM? Which don’t make sense.
Exactly, and people tend to forget that the Sharingan's ability is to track the user's moves first before the opponent and perceive the attack, but the Sharingan cannot increase physical reaction speed. The Sharingan allows the user to train their body to be adequate to the user's perception, which makes it easier to replicate the speed the user just saw. However, if the opponent has faster speed than the movement of the Sharingan user, then it does not matter if the Sharingan user can perceive it if the body is not fast enough to avoid it. Therefore, characters like Guy, Ay, and Minato are probably not a great matchup for Itachi in terms of speed. Honestly, Naruto held back and did not use his speed to it's full potential against Itachi, making it seem like Itachi could keep up with Naruto in Kurama Chakra Mode Level 1.
maybe it's just me but i see War arc 7th Gate guy as the strongest on both sides. He went head to head with 6 paths madara (granted he wasn't making any progress, but i'd argue this is still more impressive than edo hashirama stalemating edo madara) and was even able to push back via Hirudora. I may be interpreting this wrong but i'd say him being able to go on the offensive against 6 paths madara puts him at least above edo minato speed wise because against guy madara only dodge and never counter attacked (the contentious part is whether he simply chose not to or was unable to du to guy's speed, considering he was barely able to defend let alone dodge the 8th gate i don't think it's completely out of the question). His 6th gate form was relative with the edo jinchuriki similar to KCM Naruto and Kamui Kakashi so it makes sense that 7th Gate would stack up closer to KCM2 ish level. With all that said even if he's not concretely the strongest on the battlefield, he should at the very least be very relative to the Edo Madara/War arc obito/Sage Kabuto/KCM 2 tier of fighters.
Most people dont realize that edo itachi and nagato could individually sweep the ninja alliance. Remove naruto and the war is a loss. Itachi unlimited sharingan use that no character can counter or nagato unlimited rinnegan abilities that no one can counter. The unlimited regen and stamina is too strong. There isn't really anything the ninja world can do to them.
Honestly, they might clear lmao Nah, but FR, they do really well. Easily the second and third strongest summons. Six Paths of Pain by himself took out 1/5 of the Shinobi Allied Forces by taking out the Hidden Leaf Village (also the strongest village). Nagato manhandled Killer Bee and Naruto easier than the Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, and Seven Tailed amped Jinchuriki that White Mask Obito had. The Allied Shinobi Forces was basically formed to fight the 7 Tailed Beasts and Madara (and Nagato did better than they did against the same opponent). Itachi beat Sage Mode Kabuto while having to save Sasuke and not trying to kill him. He was able to provide equal force as a Tailed Beast Bomb and a Rasenshuriken.
Itachi & Naruto's brief sparring it is implied Naruto is more focused in discussing with Itachi than blitzing him, so Itachi isn't quite on that speed level. That said, between susanoo & Preta path abilities Raikage will try to bum-rush Nagato & give him chakra.
I agree with the hashirama statement but the kabuto statement can be the opposite as well. My argument would be why would Kabuto even have the need to mention itachi character? What does that have to do with anything at that particular moment?
It’s because he’s comparing himself to Itachi in that specific moment and how they foil one another, he tried a similar tactic on Sasuke to try and get him to fight Itachi by appealing to how they both hate the leaf and had the same sensei
You forgot about Sauske. He should be there fighting obito since he won't be going after kabuto without Itachi to lead him, not that he'd change the outcome of the fight anyway. Actually he'd probably see Naruto before Itachi does and get koto'd meaning Itachi would stay on obito's side...
At the point where it's Naruto, Killer B, Kakashi and Guy vs Madara, Obito and Hashirama, Guy could go 8th gate seeing this as the final battle - and 8th gate guy in combination with Itachi's Totsuka blade can easily seal Madara and Nagato, and still have enough time left to stomp Obito
Cause the thing is… when itachi sees the statue as a threat to the world and he definitely will If obito doesn’t retreat.., the war ends there Itachi has 3 jinchurriki level support pieces for that too plus a pretty good kamui user
i think as soon as itachi switches sides nagato and obito both die heres why: if itachi seals nagato off rip in the confusion, its gg for obito itachi could amateratsu all the jinchuriki edo then seal them while theyre burning, while kakashi guy and naruto hold off obito. as soon as kakashi and naruto figure out kakashi and obito's kamui are linked they could literally use the same combo they used to hit obito except now the have amateratsu and if hit hits obito's body in the kamui dimension he has no answer for that besides izanagi and he dies. now if hes not completley consumed by the flames u have a free sharingan and rinnegan. in tht case kabuto would have to summon madara in a different part of the battlefield, now whoever takes the sharingan and rinnegan of obito is unknown, and it depends on if they even survive, so everything from here on is completely my opinion and is by no means the only thing that could happen. i doubt kakashi would take it only cus his chakra pool isnt the largest, even in the war arc, hed probably make naruto take both eyes and have sakura do the transplant. so if naruto has kamui and the rinnegan i think he could take edo madara no problem, then have itachi find kabuto and end the edo tensei jutsu, madara will resist but naruto could hold off madara long enough to put him in position to rip out his soul with the human path and gg war over although with many more casualties, then naruto beats the breaks off sasuke to end the series, zetsu hides like a bitch until he can find a way to steal narutos new rinnegan so he can revive kaguya. BUT if obitos dojutsu dont survive after he dies madara stomps and everyone dies
Imagine how strong Edo Tensei Naruto would be. Infinitely refilling chakra on a near infinite chakra pool already. Hed be able to spam his abilities nonstop
Non edo tensei Naruto basically does that already. Also can edo tenseis use nature energy? Bc if they can't that takes away a big power from Naruto but I assume they probably can but it seems stupid if they can when they are dead lol
Kabuto himself stated that Nagato was his second strongest Edo Tensei after Madara and before some idiot says “well what about the Edo Tensei Hokages” Orochimaru brought them back and the only reason I’m even saying that is because somebody actually tried to counter argue me with that statement and I told them not to talk to me until they’ve actually watched the show
This statement is a storm 3 exclusive statement idk who started it though, regardless it’s stated Itachi and Nagato are the top 2 aside from Madara so it isn’t THAT big of a dwal
Feels weird saying nagato and itachi are above the 5 kage in speed because that means they are either relative to madara in speed or above him cause basically all of the 5 kage were able to react to madara somewhat and even at the beginning of the battle madara does say the raikage is fast. The onoki raikage combo then like blitzed madara or at least caught him off guard and broke his susanoo at some points. Even if madara was supposedly holding back that seems to be more around his power and perfect susanoo than his speed cause if he was just holding back his speed as an edo when he supposedly stopped holding back he shouldve just blitzed all of them which he still didnt really do that.
I think the feats have less to do with speed more to do with reaction speed. Example lee is clearly faster then neji but couldnt touch him,, then we find out the hyuga are also know ln for their strikering speed
Idk why people are so scared to say what it is. Itachi and Nagato are comparable to Madara. Madara is stronger but due to feats and hacks it is comparable. It's just not a comparison similar to comparing Naruto to Konohamaru. There's a bunch of lames in the community that think something as crazy as this. Edo Madara beats Nagato and Itachi 2 V 1 which is the wildest statement I've heard.
Raikage vs Naruto was about speed. Nagato and Itachi vs Naruto was about power. Itachi vs Naruto when addressing speed alone and he would actually use his full speed, Itachi would be a statue only reacting with Susano to Naruto. Sasuke kept up with Raiakge 99% of the fight, then Raikage went to lvl 2 and used sunnshin (i assume) and Sasuke was a statue. Characters for plot reasons decide not to use their full power, just like Superman does not so he does not end a comic in a panel. In this case I also assume that Naruto wanted to talk with Itachi, not just end it as fast as possible... Sharingan sasuke also had comparable speed to Itachi, then MS Sasuke was a statue to Raikage, makes sense Itachi, even if faster would still be a statue to Raikage lvl 2. Itachi would obviously win the fight with Raikage but not by outrunning Raikage. Nagato or Itachi being faster then Raikage is absurd. Is Itachi faster then MS Sasuke to a degree that makes Sasuke into a Statue? Hell no... Minato is fater then Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen as well as EMS Sasuke, Oro and the rest of the crew. Its clearly demonstrated by the time each of them reach the war, Minato was way ahead. Its even commented on his speed. Minato is obviously faster not only then EMS Sasuke but also Itachi. Minato still could not dodge full speed Raikage and needed teleport to get away. The ONLY character in the manga up to chakra mode Naruto who can dodge by actually running, is Naruto. Itachi and Nagato are both far stronger then Raikage, just not faster. As for genjutsu you actually need to stop Raikage and cast genjutsu on him, just like Madara did. I don't think this is a working strategy, if you can grab Raikage, just Amatereasu him. If EMS Madara needs to first stop Raikages movement to genjutsu him, then so does Itachi.
I don't really see why you would make a video like his if you just wanted to talk about Itachi. Itachi on his own could probably only beat Mei and Onoki. Nagato could probably beat the five Kage on his own if he's at full power, but with major difficulty.
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If Naruto was there during the battle, than MAYBE Itachi would use Kotoamatsukami to free himself.
Tactically it was a good idea. Kabuto was simply outplayed by Itachi and probably Black Zetsu.
Omg how do you forget the sealing blade of itachi in the 3 phase because he definitely will seal at least 2 beast no to mention de 10 tails I even seen a situation where nagato try to revive Madara and itachi sealed before Madara wake's up Or if he do amaterratsu and Obito need to kamuy the amaterratsu, is so easy for itachi to stop the revive of the ten tails
It's not Kabuto's fault that Itachi turned against him. He had no way of knowing that Itachi gave Naruto koto beforehand.
itachi even stated with him and Nagato as a team together they could do anything
It’s ppl out here that think minato can beat them to still
@@mariogrant9625 crazy edo itachi and nagato individually pack any minato without kcm n combined beat kcm minato maybe
@@spacenoodles3700no maybe only chance minato has is to speed blitz if that doesn’t work he gets sealed or put in Tsukuyomi within minutes
@@MT-xx5cdexactly and with nagato it’s worse because all his kunai are getting blown away and his cloak with kurama is getting drained
@@mariogrant9625they smoking that good pack if they think that
These two are the worst possible nightmare for anyone to take on. Period.
Not with talk no jutsu 😂
@@SubZer00fucksgiveneither of them would smoke naruto
•Kaguya & Ten Tails Madara,
•Hashirama & Madara
•Six Paths Naruto /w TSO & Sasuke with the Rinnegan and Moon seal
@@jaywestxI mean you're right, but these two are really stupid OP
Who? Itachi and nagato? Or thunder god and jay the great?
I just wanna say edo itachi is seriously insanely underrated. If itachi is in control I just assume the enemy wouldn’t out smart or suprise him with little outliers. His win cons are broken when he’s completely ready to spam them
Edo Itachi is everything but underated! Nobody believes that 😂😂😂
in what universe is any version of itachi underrated. shut up
Itachi is very underrated in todays age, its a response to the wank that he used to have like 7 years ago, but no one actually wanks him that much anymore. But now everyone just downplays him cause they are stll salty over the wank he used to get back in the day. @@SubZer00fucksgiven
bro needs to recheck the dictionaries
@@ohboi9578 all of them
15:00 Nagato throws a Chibaku Tensei and Itachi Lights the rock up with Amaterasu, The End. Idk whos getting out of that situation
What made Madara dominate the division was the fact he had EMS and Rinnegan. Itachi and Nagato basically have that covered: with Nagato’s Rinnegan and Itachi’s MS being spam-proof due to being an Edo.
Itachi never had EMS and the fact he lost sight after Izanami means he had the same flaws in his eye that he did while he was alive. Nagato’s rinnegan was also ironically the weakest we see in the series. Obito with one had a much stronger “pain team” and Madara was just a different level overall, able to control all 9 bijuu effortlessly. It’s not even a comparison with Itachi and Nagato to Madara. Madara clears easily.
Obito was the worst rinnegan user. It put so much strain on him he wasn't able to use it to its full potential.@@teeboz6237
@@teeboz6237 Izanami would also blind an EMS (Madara’s EMS went blind after using Izanagi).
Itachi demonstrated plainly he can spam MS abilities with fatigue as an Edō. They don’t have to equal Madara in strength. Madara is overkill. But they have enough strength and enough of his strengths to overwhelm them.
if these two we’re a pair, they would rule the world on accident
Literally unstoppable Kabuto fumbled fr
@@ThunderGodTGhe didn't know about Itachi's failsafe or the abilities of his susano
In theory they should at least break 4th wall 😂
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@@Noblesavage31 but he can't kill them , why? Edo tensei and almighty push
People forget nagato has use of all Chakra nature's & can seal just as easily as itachi. They stomp the 5 kage
Itachi or Nagato could take the 5 Kage individually.
@@jonathanhayhurst3928no they can’t 😂😂😂😂
They mid diff them
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@@jonathanhayhurst3928individually theyd both lose i think
@@danielgonzalez7014I think prime Itachi or Nagato no restriction beats 5 kage. Idek how they would beat itachi cuz of his mongekyo abilities
I think you missed the fact that Kabuto was the one controlling Nagato when Itachi and Co sealed him. If it is the free will of Nagato then he would fight differently and they don’t get that same opening
Facts
@@treylearns634possibilities. Not facts. The facts are that he still got basically no diff'd by Itachi with simply some good team tactics.
@@jackhall290 getting no diffed by your opponent when u are NOT IN control of your physical body is not the same. If itachi was the target he’d been dead. But he wasn’t so he had openings. The point remains itachi isn’t as strong as him.
nagato has counters for itachi. Which he didn’t get to use for plot.
@@treylearns634 Good luck getting through to Itachi fans lol. They want to scale his susano'o sword & shield to a perfect Susano'o. We all know that's cap and at best it's similar to destructo disc from DBZ. The fighter's base susano'o isn't all that & we've seen Madara yanked out of his by a mere kage. Nagato has so many answers for Itachi who doesn't have a rinnegan to counter rinnegan abilities.
I do believe due to Nagato's insane crowd control, Itachi would further add to that with amaterasu if needed, but the spirit sword is a nice setup or distraction if Nagato has to go for a planetary devastation.
Classic Delusional Itachi hater@@calint123
Can we talk about the SYNERGY these two have? Nagato can trap everyone in a Chibaku Tensei and Itachi can light it up with Amaterasu, you AIN'T winnin' that fight chief.
Hashirama's words about Itachi are meant to draw attention to differences between Sasuke and Itachi despite them being bros. He calls Itachi a better man than him, but in response to sasuke and his ambitions he has to flex a little bit and scare him out of his ideas. Yet Hashirama doesn't notice how these differences in personality despite blood relation are reflected between him and his own brother. Ya'll are correct that the statement is not about strength at all, but ultimately dynamic bonds of brotherhood.
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People really think itachi and Nagato is faster than the raikage lol. Naruto got mental amped like crazy and the entire point of that encounter was showing how Naruto surpassed Minato.
The duo still beats the 5 kage though but I think people really underestimate the raikage speed alot
I think it’s a fair enough take depending but I can understand why this may not be the case for some others. Like they’re not leagues apart in speed or anything, it’s just personal perception of certain scaling points.
They are faster bare minimum same speed tier. Killer bee is supposed to be his equal and they are faster than him. Naruto didn't surpass minato in kcm 1. Minato literally froze raikage in place and naruto just dodged him
@@ThunderGodTG true I think they're relative too. we can also accept there are a lot of minor inconsistencies in the show when it comes to speed. Boruto reacting to fused momoshiki when he should literally be a status was the worst.
Naruto was not above minato in that encounter LOL not even close.
Naruto did NOT get “mental amped like crazy.” Naruto even says as he’s trying to get past the Raikage “I have to increase my speed.” He’s testing out a power he is NOT experienced with using and is only continuously getting faster to the point that after the Raikage lets him pass his SHADOW CLONE can outspeed the Third Raikage
Nagato and Itachi as a pair are strong enough that can beat anyone the same way Madara did, but not strong enough to actually beat Madara.
Edo madara and blind madara yes sage mode madara and others madara version no
@@albertojaramillo6878even Edo.
@@Noblesavage31 guy is only a step above Kisame, and Kakashi is about the same. Edo Itachi and Nagato should be two steps above that (KCM1 blitz’d Kisame, and then Nagato 2v1d them).
@@Noblesavage31 Itachi has been stronger than Kakashi Since his introduction (and not by a little....A LOT) and Kakashi only ever passed bro when he Got dual Ms. So Kakashi is already Down for the count.
Guy said to be his equal but I PERSONALLY think guy is stronger but even then he can't 1v1 any of them by himself. And before you suck his 8 gates mode off....itachi and nagato have so much in their arsenal they I doubt they'd even let bro do that..if they do let him however; I mean He would die sooo...........L😂😂
@@Noblesavage31 who TF is Mike??💀
My guy threw in Ninja Impact GAME PLAY
I LOVE IT we need more
Man 😂. Itachi took out Orochimaro when he was basically dying. Unlimited Chakra 🤣🤣🤣. Thats Madness 🔥
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I think it’s just the fact that it’s a jutsu. Kakashi can’t use fireballs forever, but he can probably fire a lot of them. In the same vein, it definitely drains the Raikage, but we haven’t seen much to suggest its an insane drain.
Fyi the Nagato we saw as EDO was controlled by Kabuto. It was Kabuto who used the jutsu through Nagato. It wasn’t really nagato himself controlling his own thoughts and actions and that is a massive factor into how well he performs. Canon wise we see being the case. Kabuto is sat there thinking or which move while nagato was stationary
I really love these videos. Just wanted to also say I appreciate J saying that context matters when bringing up what a character says because you definitely have to try and consider what the context of the conversation is referring to especially when they are saying certain things about power levels and he covered that very well.
Appreciate the love!
28:15 I wouldn’t go as far as to say they’re faster than the Raikage; I feel like they can fight at the same tier of speed, but everything past that is nebulous, given the nature of their fights with KCM1 Naruto.
Yeah some people have different perceptions so I was trying to play around there
@@ThunderGodTG Which is actually my favorite aspect of your channel; your insistence on paying heed to the multi-faceted nature of scaling, and the multiple interpretations at play.
37:30 “relevant to Kyuubi Naruto and Bae’s Bee.” Thunder God dates a beekeeper confirmed
These allegations are blasphemous 😂
Something I would have loved to have seen in the anime was Sasuke and edo Itachi teaming up to take on Edo Madara. Itachi being a part of the group to take on ten tails Madara would have been so hype as well.
Edo Itachi and Nagato would be devastating. Itachi could literally pull up like Madara and use a Perfect Susanoo with the Tosuka Blade and Yata Mirror while being backed up by Almighty Pushes and Chibaku Tensei's. And and both can steal souls in one hit (Tosuka Blade & Human Path ability)
Nagato pulling everyone into totsuka blade
@@MannyForReal Bro have mercy to shinobi alliance
Good to have this video back
Madara , obito, nagato (red hair) , just kcm2 naruto, (no sage mode on top) itachi, then the bijuu, might guy 7th gate then Kakashi. That's how I'd rank them from strongest to weakest
That's fair enough
@@Spexz07 Idk about 7th gate guy being below all the tailed beast, unless you meant the 10 tails or whatever. Hard to really scale all of those and Guy. Guy in 7 gates should be able to pacify a tailed beasts with them hands, and kicks, obviously.
Just logged in , wanted some naruto content and got your video. Really good analysis
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Kinda seems like a missed opportunity to not talk about how Guy using the 8th gate as a last resort might have effected the outcome of this what-if. If it came down to either everyone dying, or Guy sacrificing himself to try and stop Obito and Madara, I'm pretty sure he'd choose the latter. And if he's strong enough to take on Juubi Madara, he'd likely be way stronger and faster than all the reanimated jinchuriki, as well as Obito and Madara, possibly even the 10-tails itself. The only issue would be Obito's intangibility and Edo-Madara's infinite chakra and regeneration, but Guy using the 8th gate might give them the advantage they need to figure out how Obito's Kamui works. This could also allow Itachi the time needed to try and go get Kabuto to release his Edo Tensei. In the end, they'd still have to come up with a way to deal with Edo-Madara, but I feel like Guy choosing to open the 8th gate would make the outcome of this fight far closer and more interesting than what you guys made it out to be. Good job on the earlier phases though!
If Guy uses the gates before Itachi leaves to find Kabuto, then he can hit Madara into the totuska blade or throw him. Now if Itachi is gone, then he can hit or restrain Madara long enough for Bee to try and ink seal Madara
But gai can't get past they yatamire
@@Noblesavage31 the thing is its just stupidly op. and what alot of people forget is that it can change shape, so its not like you can just go around it
@@Noblesavage31 yeah but when he says that he doesnt mean it in the sense that theres a perfect counter he just means stuff like, i will eventually run out of chakra and that would class as a weakness. you could say that the weakness of edo is that you cant get a mental amp but they arnt really weakness its just that they are less good at it.
@@mryellow6918 can't Guy just use the evening elephant like he did against Madara to bypass the yata mirror? Granted it's step by step but the yata mirror would have to defend one side leaving itachi open in the other sides. Also the fact it was able to damage juubi madara it should be able to break through or at least make the susanno vulnerable
I'd love to see Sage Mode Naruto (Kurama Fight) and 5 Kage Summit Sasuke (Danzo Fight) vs the 5 Kage (Madara fight). I think they could take it 6 out of 10 times.
That's a FIRE vid topic right there, marking that down for sure
@@ThunderGodTG5 Kage might cook.
5 Kage low-mid diff don’t underestimate them
Kurama fight Naruto main body was sitting still so except the fight is gonna happen in his mind he won't get the same infinite sage energy he got.
I think naratively speaking itachi and nagato are beneath madara. If kabuto thought theyd be better to use against the alliance he would have.
Pretty much this. I don't think they would have done any better than Madara if I'm being honest. There's a few times were they catch Madara slipping and he gets out of it because he's Madara. I don't see Itachi and Nagato doing the same.
Kabuto was literally bringing Nagato and Itachi to to the battle field when they accidentally ran into Naruto and Bee.
I don’t know. You can argue Kabuto used Madara simply because he wanted to see what he could do. It wasn’t until Madara fought the alliance that Kabuto saw what he was capable of. Especially considering that right beforehand he tells Madara to show him what he could do.
@@murddeath how can you compare itachi to madara itachi wasnt a hashirama cell CRACK ADDICT / say this base itachi with no hashirama cells vs itachi is laughable
base madara with no hashirama cells vs itachi is a joke itachi is a god with any upgrades lol
While Naruto is fighting both Itachi and Nagato... Sasuke is heading to kill Naruto.
And kabuto wants sasuke, who can control itachi and nagato
Itachi could kill naruto if he really wants to
@@mariogrant9625not kcm naruto
@@jasonmoukala8909 itcahi has the best genjutsu, an it’s strong enough to kill a tail beast and the host he could really get both in genjutsu if it was that kind of battle
@@mariogrant9625 who the hell said it was strong enough to kill a tailed beast
vs 4th great ninja war is crazy work, these 2 so op they had to put the entire final arc against them
I'd like to add to your argument; regarding the tactic Gaara used against Madara to pull him out of the Susanoo, Nagato could just pull Itachi back with bansho tenin rendering the move ineffective. I don't think it's a stretch to say Nagato's pull is stronger than Gaara's.
Man it just get worse for everyone 😂 nah bro the combo moves these two could pull of us actually disgusting, Sasuke in the anime showed us a glimpse with Bansho Tennin into flame control
You can say that it's Itachi and Nagato vs THE WORLD! GRIND TO A HALT!
*BRRRRR*
*Tik tik tik*
I agree with much of what you guys have said. My only thing is that the yata miror is supposed to nullify ninjutsu … not taijutsu specifically. So it negging partical style has no barring on tsunades punches
It’s still a susanoo shield so I’d say it can still reflect a decent amount of damage
Itachi + Nagato = Madara. 😂
Wouldn't it be funny if Madaras coffin emerges from the ground and Itachi stabs through the coffin bevor Madara opens it and seals him? XD
If madara comes out before its going to be an issue
Yeah, then they would be pretty much fucked@@akhandtripathi3836
Nagato is the hammer, and Itachi is the scalpel
Bro cooked for no reason on a YT comment LMAO
Four words
Universal pull
Totsuka blade
GG
And Chibaku tensei
Ok imagine Madaras Majestic Destroyer Flame but it’s Amaterasu; it’s an open ass field and Itachi with his 7 Quintillion IQ would immediately use the black flames to annihilate a lot of Shinobi; Gaara can’t protect everyone with his Sand
And nagato can just push spread Amaterasu onto people every 5 seconds
While sitting in a yatta mirror susano surrounded by an army of renniegan summons Amaterasu around the back of the entire army so it draws them closeer into you
Another to remember Madara was hyped up since the first couple of episodes of shippuden so i mean of course hes gonna be stronger and have more baddass scene. Plus this got two very different personalities itachi isn't someone who flexes power
Agreed. Anyone who analyzes the scene for more than a few seconds can almost immediately tell madara was there to make people shit their pants. Itachi almost never does that. Plus the fact that he’s in the anbu is enough proof that itachi doesn’t like full on confrontation without a backup plan.
Mans is uploading fire video after fire video.
Lol thought you were bringing DIO into the debate 😭
Honestly I feel like this discussion is more interesting with just one of them, Itachi or Nagato. There really isn't a strong argument for both of them together being beatable here.
People using Hashirama's itachi statement are the same people who would intentionally try to say Sasuke could beat Madara because of Hashirama saying he was the only one that could do so while completely removing the context of the very next panel where Hashirama says it's because he reminds him of Izuna. Some folks love that uchiha wank 😂
The Naruto fandom is filled with uchiha wank. Sadly Swagkage and Seth popularized those uchiha wank opinions😅
Nice to see Seththeprogrammer still getting work these days.
HUH?!?!?!?!! Blasphemous comment
Not even funny bruh 😭
@JTheGreat I'm sorry bruh 😅
Pain solo’d 1/5 of the shinobi alliance imagine Nagato who is far stronger than Pain along with Itachi they would be almost unbeatable
I'd argue that he solo'd more than 1/5 considering the Leaf Village is notably stronger than any of the other villages. More like he solo'd 1/3 of the entire alliance while in a weaker form and weaker state. Add to it the fact that the number we're using is from the beginning of the war when the alliance was at max capacity, and this takes place after they had lost many thousands to zetsu clones and the other edo tensei.
Edit: To clarify, I'm bolstering your point not arguing against you in case that isn't clear. Text based discussion loses so much nuance with no tone of voice.
Bro talk to these people
Probably the strongest 1/5 too!
@@castlecragnizabok the leaf village is weak asf outside of naruto, gai Kakashi and Tsunade 😂😂😂😂
The series was prolonged because of Shisui's eye.
If the battle really started to turn out poorly for the heroes, then Might Guy would ceetainlt open the 8th gate, as he was willing to do it against the 6 path tailed beasts. And once he does this, all the enemies, except Obito, get stomped. Guy can speedblitz edo Madara and hit him into Itachi's tostuka blade. Same with Nagato
I can totally see a scene where The Five Kages think they won by sealing up Itachi and Nagato like they did Madara only for the two bodies to scatter into crows. While they are all like "HUH?" with their dumbass, Nagato just drops an large ass animal summoning on them GG Also, please do Anbu Itachi vs. Hebi Sasuke
I wanna give this hebi sasuke simply because he's beat itachi at this point and itachi might not have ms yet if he has ms it's a fair fight but itachi wins better eyes better vision
Imagine if Itachi was never sick and received the same buffs as Sasuke. He would have been the most powerful ninja in all of Naruto.
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What if Itachi managed to seal the gedo statue using the totsuka blade, or if he managed to seal away one of the tailed beasts
Video idea…….what if sasuke ran into team Gai instead of team 7 in the beginning of shippuden. Imagine the taijustsu that would’ve been on display
Guy would have beat the emo right outta his sulking ass
This was a great video!!!! I'm not sure I loved the Tinder add I got though😮
Real ones will have already seen this video..
Nah the REALEST ONES
I love how i believe one of my comments was deleted
Which one? YT might have auto deleted
@@ThunderGodTGI believe it was a comment on some of the jutsus not being used on either side. As y’all didn’t bring up the weighted or light boulder technique or that Mei could melt the sussano and possibly the ground?
Oh yeah those are very fair I just don’t think those particular jutsu are fast enough or that Onoki would get close enough to use weighted boulder due to Nagato and Itachi not letting them combo up like Madara did, but it at least deserved some recognition so my fault on that.
@@ThunderGodTG Okay. Though wouldn’t gar be able to do something similar to what he did to Madara? I personally just think it’d be a closer match. I do think Itachi and Nagato would win but barely
A lot of the stats they got against Madara he blatantly let them do, not only is it in character for Madara to let people bash against the Susanoo ribcage, but he was letting to Kage combo him with their jutsu repeatedly. While it always possible the fundamental character differences are actually what make it so the Kage don’t really have a chance at least imo
BACK TO BACK?!?!
These two were Naruto and saskue before Naruto and saskue
Great video. But i just wanted to point out that even after absorbing bee chakra nagato doesn't gain full mobility. Kabuto specifically points this out when he got hit by the totsuka blade.
The threshold for him to gain full mobility must be pretty high if he can even gain full mobility.
He would still havoc on the battlefield though.
Idk that the yata mirror would help if he gets put in a dust release cube
Yata mirror would block it all ninjutsu is ineffective (stated) & it would form around to block the cube
Nagato and itachi is basically sasuke when he gets his rinnegan
Few problems with this, you didn’t mention 8 gate guy or sasuke like they both aren’t game changers. I feel like ems sasuke mixed with kcm 2 sage mode naruto would best madara and Kakashi and guy would handle
They weren’t part of the original narrative in these altercations and that is what we based the video on (meaning only 6th gates Guy since that is who we see in the manga at thus point). Thats why they’re not discussed. Also Itachi knowing Guy would most likely just take him out first because he’s aware of his mastery over the Gates.
And if you really think about it, 4th raikage wasn’t moving too fast for ohnoki, otherwise they couldn’t use the lightened speed and weighted hits in conjunction. Pretty sure if ohnoki can react, itachi and nagato should be ok
Yeah no😂😂😂
Good video, well put together. One critique that stands out to me, your speaking partner needs work, it was very jarring to listen to him speak vs TG. Seemed really nervous or just trying to throw in big words to sound smart. Something to consider improving on an otherwise perfect video
Appreciate the critique I’ll let him know!
Hope he continues to improve ! You both do some interesting videos to keep the community alive
@ThunderGod if we do this in character this like mentioned several times in the video. Madara could slip up and get cocky and play with his food and leave himself open to Itachi hitting him with the Totsuka Blade. Madara and Obito are massively stronger than everyone else here but Itachi simply has the most broken weapon in the series.
I wouldn’t say it is far fetched that Madara would slip up and get sealed by Itachi.
Can we get Edo Nagato and Itachi Vs Edo Madara?
How about Hashirama & Madara Vs Nagato, Itachi, and Rinnegan Obito 😂
Itachi was getting blitzed by Kabuto, and hit multiple times. His definitely not KCM 1 level in speed. Even alive itachi was getting hit by Sasuke in their fight.
It’s fair to say Naruto was holding back in that engagement, as he didn’t even use 1 Jutsu. I think Itachi can perceive KCM Naruto’s movements but not at full speed body flicker. If you say perception is the same as movement speed, then Sage Naruto is faster than KCM? Which don’t make sense.
Exactly, and people tend to forget that the Sharingan's ability is to track the user's moves first before the opponent and perceive the attack, but the Sharingan cannot increase physical reaction speed.
The Sharingan allows the user to train their body to be adequate to the user's perception, which makes it easier to replicate the speed the user just saw.
However, if the opponent has faster speed than the movement of the Sharingan user, then it does not matter if the Sharingan user can perceive it if the body is not fast enough to avoid it. Therefore, characters like Guy, Ay, and Minato are probably not a great matchup for Itachi in terms of speed. Honestly, Naruto held back and did not use his speed to it's full potential against Itachi, making it seem like Itachi could keep up with Naruto in Kurama Chakra Mode Level 1.
Gaara using sand to blast at planetary devastation would just make it grow bigger lol
I doubt anyone can seal Nagato & especially Itachi
maybe it's just me but i see War arc 7th Gate guy as the strongest on both sides. He went head to head with 6 paths madara (granted he wasn't making any progress, but i'd argue this is still more impressive than edo hashirama stalemating edo madara) and was even able to push back via Hirudora. I may be interpreting this wrong but i'd say him being able to go on the offensive against 6 paths madara puts him at least above edo minato speed wise because against guy madara only dodge and never counter attacked (the contentious part is whether he simply chose not to or was unable to du to guy's speed, considering he was barely able to defend let alone dodge the 8th gate i don't think it's completely out of the question). His 6th gate form was relative with the edo jinchuriki similar to KCM Naruto and Kamui Kakashi so it makes sense that 7th Gate would stack up closer to KCM2 ish level. With all that said even if he's not concretely the strongest on the battlefield, he should at the very least be very relative to the Edo Madara/War arc obito/Sage Kabuto/KCM 2 tier of fighters.
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Most people dont realize that edo itachi and nagato could individually sweep the ninja alliance. Remove naruto and the war is a loss. Itachi unlimited sharingan use that no character can counter or nagato unlimited rinnegan abilities that no one can counter. The unlimited regen and stamina is too strong. There isn't really anything the ninja world can do to them.
Honestly, they might clear lmao
Nah, but FR, they do really well. Easily the second and third strongest summons. Six Paths of Pain by himself took out 1/5 of the Shinobi Allied Forces by taking out the Hidden Leaf Village (also the strongest village). Nagato manhandled Killer Bee and Naruto easier than the Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, and Seven Tailed amped Jinchuriki that White Mask Obito had. The Allied Shinobi Forces was basically formed to fight the 7 Tailed Beasts and Madara (and Nagato did better than they did against the same opponent). Itachi beat Sage Mode Kabuto while having to save Sasuke and not trying to kill him. He was able to provide equal force as a Tailed Beast Bomb and a Rasenshuriken.
Itachi & Naruto's brief sparring it is implied Naruto is more focused in discussing with Itachi than blitzing him, so Itachi isn't quite on that speed level.
That said, between susanoo & Preta path abilities Raikage will try to bum-rush Nagato & give him chakra.
I agree with the hashirama statement but the kabuto statement can be the opposite as well. My argument would be why would Kabuto even have the need to mention itachi character? What does that have to do with anything at that particular moment?
It’s because he’s comparing himself to Itachi in that specific moment and how they foil one another, he tried a similar tactic on Sasuke to try and get him to fight Itachi by appealing to how they both hate the leaf and had the same sensei
You forgot about Sauske. He should be there fighting obito since he won't be going after kabuto without Itachi to lead him, not that he'd change the outcome of the fight anyway.
Actually he'd probably see Naruto before Itachi does and get koto'd meaning Itachi would stay on obito's side...
Damn, TG been dropping heat. Keep it up 🐐🔥
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Bruh some of nagato's summonings in majestic attire. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
At the point where it's Naruto, Killer B, Kakashi and Guy vs Madara, Obito and Hashirama, Guy could go 8th gate seeing this as the final battle - and 8th gate guy in combination with Itachi's Totsuka blade can easily seal Madara and Nagato, and still have enough time left to stomp Obito
Cause the thing is… when itachi sees the statue as a threat to the world
and
he definitely will
If obito doesn’t retreat.., the war ends there
Itachi has 3 jinchurriki level support pieces for that too plus a pretty good kamui user
5:46 Peak 🍜🍥
Cool thumbnail
So the other guy is high key just Seth the programmer under a different name right?? 😂
Kimimaro and Pain VS Shisui and Itachi
Shisui doesn’t really have any scaling or feats to go off except his hax genjutsu. How about hebi sasuke and Itachi vs Pain and kimimaru
i think as soon as itachi switches sides nagato and obito both die heres why: if itachi seals nagato off rip in the confusion, its gg for obito itachi could amateratsu all the jinchuriki edo then seal them while theyre burning, while kakashi guy and naruto hold off obito. as soon as kakashi and naruto figure out kakashi and obito's kamui are linked they could literally use the same combo they used to hit obito except now the have amateratsu and if hit hits obito's body in the kamui dimension he has no answer for that besides izanagi and he dies. now if hes not completley consumed by the flames u have a free sharingan and rinnegan. in tht case kabuto would have to summon madara in a different part of the battlefield, now whoever takes the sharingan and rinnegan of obito is unknown, and it depends on if they even survive, so everything from here on is completely my opinion and is by no means the only thing that could happen. i doubt kakashi would take it only cus his chakra pool isnt the largest, even in the war arc, hed probably make naruto take both eyes and have sakura do the transplant. so if naruto has kamui and the rinnegan i think he could take edo madara no problem, then have itachi find kabuto and end the edo tensei jutsu, madara will resist but naruto could hold off madara long enough to put him in position to rip out his soul with the human path and gg war over although with many more casualties, then naruto beats the breaks off sasuke to end the series, zetsu hides like a bitch until he can find a way to steal narutos new rinnegan so he can revive kaguya. BUT if obitos dojutsu dont survive after he dies madara stomps and everyone dies
Imagine how strong Edo Tensei Naruto would be. Infinitely refilling chakra on a near infinite chakra pool already. Hed be able to spam his abilities nonstop
Non edo tensei Naruto basically does that already. Also can edo tenseis use nature energy? Bc if they can't that takes away a big power from Naruto but I assume they probably can but it seems stupid if they can when they are dead lol
Kabuto himself stated that Nagato was his second strongest Edo Tensei after Madara and before some idiot says “well what about the Edo Tensei Hokages” Orochimaru brought them back and the only reason I’m even saying that is because somebody actually tried to counter argue me with that statement and I told them not to talk to me until they’ve actually watched the show
This statement is a storm 3 exclusive statement idk who started it though, regardless it’s stated Itachi and Nagato are the top 2 aside from Madara so it isn’t THAT big of a dwal
Kabuto never said nagato was the second strongest
Feels weird saying nagato and itachi are above the 5 kage in speed because that means they are either relative to madara in speed or above him cause basically all of the 5 kage were able to react to madara somewhat and even at the beginning of the battle madara does say the raikage is fast. The onoki raikage combo then like blitzed madara or at least caught him off guard and broke his susanoo at some points. Even if madara was supposedly holding back that seems to be more around his power and perfect susanoo than his speed cause if he was just holding back his speed as an edo when he supposedly stopped holding back he shouldve just blitzed all of them which he still didnt really do that.
Didn't you post this before?
For like an hour had a sponsor issue
Itachi could sneak Madara with totsuka. He’s usually over relaxed and confident. Especially if there are more big guns on the field.
Technically Edo Madara split in half
I think the feats have less to do with speed more to do with reaction speed. Example lee is clearly faster then neji but couldnt touch him,, then we find out the hyuga are also know ln for their strikering speed
What game is that 13 minutes into the video?
Naruto Ultimate Ninja Impact
Thanks man
whats the gameplay from? name of the game where raikage is running around the map and beating npcs?
so now you you gotta discuss what would happen if itachi's crow in Naruto actually hit Sasuke with koto, and not edo Itachi.
Idk why people are so scared to say what it is. Itachi and Nagato are comparable to Madara. Madara is stronger but due to feats and hacks it is comparable. It's just not a comparison similar to comparing Naruto to Konohamaru. There's a bunch of lames in the community that think something as crazy as this. Edo Madara beats Nagato and Itachi 2 V 1 which is the wildest statement I've heard.
2 most underrated characters
Itachi is far from underrated
Raikage vs Naruto was about speed.
Nagato and Itachi vs Naruto was about power.
Itachi vs Naruto when addressing speed alone and he would actually use his full speed, Itachi would be a statue only reacting with Susano to Naruto. Sasuke kept up with Raiakge 99% of the fight, then Raikage went to lvl 2 and used sunnshin (i assume) and Sasuke was a statue. Characters for plot reasons decide not to use their full power, just like Superman does not so he does not end a comic in a panel. In this case I also assume that Naruto wanted to talk with Itachi, not just end it as fast as possible...
Sharingan sasuke also had comparable speed to Itachi, then MS Sasuke was a statue to Raikage, makes sense Itachi, even if faster would still be a statue to Raikage lvl 2. Itachi would obviously win the fight with Raikage but not by outrunning Raikage.
Nagato or Itachi being faster then Raikage is absurd. Is Itachi faster then MS Sasuke to a degree that makes Sasuke into a Statue? Hell no...
Minato is fater then Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen as well as EMS Sasuke, Oro and the rest of the crew. Its clearly demonstrated by the time each of them reach the war, Minato was way ahead. Its even commented on his speed.
Minato is obviously faster not only then EMS Sasuke but also Itachi. Minato still could not dodge full speed Raikage and needed teleport to get away. The ONLY character in the manga up to chakra mode Naruto who can dodge by actually running, is Naruto.
Itachi and Nagato are both far stronger then Raikage, just not faster.
As for genjutsu you actually need to stop Raikage and cast genjutsu on him, just like Madara did. I don't think this is a working strategy, if you can grab Raikage, just Amatereasu him. If EMS Madara needs to first stop Raikages movement to genjutsu him, then so does Itachi.
Imagine ohnoki making guy lighter with his taijutsu
I don't really see why you would make a video like his if you just wanted to talk about Itachi. Itachi on his own could probably only beat Mei and Onoki. Nagato could probably beat the five Kage on his own if he's at full power, but with major difficulty.
Not why just thought this was a fun topic
@@ThunderGodTG It is a fun topic, but it ended up centralized on all the Itachi talk. Why waste the good idea like that?
If this were a video about Itachi it would have been fine.
Honestly I saw swag do a vid on that so I didn't want to copy, aside from that I've done plenty of Itachi solo stuff