Gotta disagree on the kcm Naruto speed feat for itachi because immediately after this base bee starts boxing with itachi and there is zero indication of itachi starting to home back as he had zero control of his body much much more likely kcm Naruto was holding back unless you're gonna say base bee is relative to kcm naruto
Itachi is going to take care of kyuubi so fast you dont even have an idea. Dude literally easily saved both Jinchuriki's life against Nagato. Anyway, Itachi can easily put Kyuubi into genjutsu. Even Obito did it at 14, if genjutsu doesn't work then Amaterasu, then Totsuka blade to seal it. he can easily stop the Biju bomb either with Yata mirror, which doesn't take any damage because it just replicates the attack properties to adjust, or even with Susanoo body only as we saw Susanoo taking a whole Biju bomb from Naruto/kyuubi during their last fight. And we also saw hagoromo Susanoo easily stopping the Bijuu bomb from the 10 tails. You are really underestimating the Susanoo
@@breyonhopkins4795 he's still nerfed because we can saw his potential when using DMS when he fused his soul with kakashi. The hashi cells might grants him that pseudo ems but the DMS gave him the strongest susanoo ever
Itachi isn’t stupid, the only reason minato jumped on the stone wall of the hokage’s is because he was confident that he could transport the nine tailed beast bomb. Itachi would of approached the nine tails differently, he definitely would not of taken the high ground and forced the nine tails to focus on him away from the village
im shocked to even hear thinking an uchiha would lose to a tailed beast itachi would easily beat nine tails or just seal it right then and there or can even control 9 tails easily
@@razzo086 Actually Itachi could have done two things either he could have used his sharingan to counteract obito Control over the nine tails or if he had his susano at the time he could have sealed him in the realm of drunken dreams or why didnt The cloud send the pot that Got kinkaku and ginkaku Because as far as I know the cloud and the leaf were not at war at the time so they could have transported the pot sealed him away until Naruto was old enough to take on the nine tails fully and understand the power
About Itachi overriding Obito’s control of the nine tails, we see that in the Kabuto fight when Kabuto places Itachi and Sasuke in genjutsu, they both break each other out with the sharingan. Sasuke using generic genjutsu and Itachi using tsukuyomi. That’s proof alone that the sharingan can break people out of genjutsu. For the bijuu it might be different? Maybe but possible nonetheless.
it's so weird that this kinda content doesn't get more views. I feel like there's so many people that like this exact type of thing, but the algorithm hasn't really pushed it out much.
@@m.caeben2578 kabuto would not know that minato would be able to teleport him out of the cave. All he would likely know is that he can teleport to any of the kunai, not that the seal can teleport him
One note for the genjutsu override is that when kabuto had both itachi and sasuke pinned down, they each used genjutsu to enter each others minds and cut off kabuto's control.
On the Itachi vs Kyuubi encounter, I perfectly gives it to Itachi. He has the means to protect himself from a bijuu bomb with the Yara mirror (for example Suigestu survived being blown up point blank by the 8 tails, so Yata mirror is going to work just fine). Then he can Amaterasu Kyuubi and close the gap to then seal it with the Tostuka blade. The only problem would be, the village might have more casualties than with Minato. However let's not forget Hiruzen, he was around ready to pop up to mitigate as much as possible for him. So he is a factor to for the survival of a part of the inhabitants.
i think its more likely itachi breaks the genjutsu and tries to stop it himself then seal it, whether he uses his totsuka blade or not (since we know he knows other sealing jutsu) doesnt really matter
there's absolutely no reason that itachi wouldn't be able to yata mirror into totsuka blade the ninetails, especially when kabuto doesn't know about either ability. and minato's only objective is to stop Kabuto from controlling the Edos, realistically there's a high chance he could just BFR kabuto to a place where he's not able to escape or completely sealed or he might even be able to use the contract seal to disconnect him from the Edos.
Exactly, plus minato has like a contract seal that he could arguably sever the contract from kabutos and the edos it would be difficult as kabutos edo is far stronger than oros or tobirama, but atleast thats an option, if the cave is a problem minato just get them out of the cave, but maybe that is too convenient and does not tell a fight goes with minato and kabuto
@@momotheone9700 obits wouldn't know about any of itachi's abilities or equipment, to save the village itachi would use anything available, especially the yata mirror, and the totsuka blade which is like top 3 sealing in the verse.
About Minato's reaction speed, idk if he did in the manga but in the anime he was able to completely turn around in midair catch the truthseeker orbs on his back and teleport away all while he was inbetween guy and madara
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@@TheArmouredOne it might be idk, the orbs don’t seem to have that crazy of speed feats nor has the writers wrote it out to be like some crazy speed hax. Ppl use this scene to hype minato but to me it just seems like a cool scene no feats involved. Cuz it mean lee and minato are faster than 8gate guy and that doesn’t make sense
I think if Itachi used Amaterasu on Kurama, it would be dangerous because if he reacts like Bee did it would cause even more destruction to the village with him flailing around on fire and possibly lighting the village on fire with Amaterasu.
Very good video and especially what you said at the end is extremely true that both characters fought people that they have better arsenal to deal with them. For example Minato has FTG to deal with Kamui, therefore he always will be a better match up against Obito, than Itachi would. And Itachi has Izanami to deal with Kabuto and Susanoo to protect Sasuke, so even tho Itachi and Minato are very similar to each other in every stats, they have their own match up where one can perform better than the other. Awesome video, very accurate and it's so good to hear some accurate Minato scaling nowadays. Awesome video, keep up the good work! 👍
23:12 about the minato kabuto fight, couldn't minato just seal him? I mean i get it we dont see the full variety of minato's seal, but its like clear his feats are good enough chakra quantity wise to handle a shinobi the chakra levels as kabuto even in sage mode, sealing the ninetails essentially being the reason there are 2 version of the ninetails, minato tagging kabuto with ftg seal having comparable speed to even a sage kabuto, minato may be able to get to kabuto in time to eventually seal him if he cant pfysically take him down. And i think to have minato try to take down kabuto was not the aim, just to subdue him, this is my thought i might be wrong
@@spit-fire i get it, its a big MAYBE but at the same time it might be difficult to break all the summons from such an expert of edo tensei all at the same time.
Maybe, it really all depends on kabuto. If kabuto underestimates Minato he will lose badly but if kabuto humbles himself and actually try and win the fight Minato will have a hard time. Not only does his unpredictability become useless now that Kabuto has sage mode but he will expect Minato’s teleportation. The only thing Minato can do is bait kabuto and win with iQ. Minato is similar to Itachi in this situation where he would need to use a sealing jutsu or a forbidden jutsu never seen or used before even to kabuto. Minato can win but I think Kabuto has the win speaking logically
Here are some suggestions for videos on if characters switched roles: Itachi and Kakashi Itachi and Pain Pain and Sage Kabuto Obito and Kabuto Madara and Obito Orochimaru and Jiraiya Shino vs each of the sound 5 (I can't find New Horizons video on it, could you pasted here if you found it)?
I’m pretty sure Minato would tag Sasuke before they enter the cave. He tagged his team in the war too. A tagged Sasuke and and the outside safety tags would mean he can save Sasuke. I’ll say the nerf is not fair at all.
@@gameuniverse5973 so this means madara would fight naruto guy kakashi and bee and obito would fight the 5 kage? Also does ot means that madara would fight the hokage without juubi? Because if madara does not fight with juubi against hokages and naruto and sasuke and hashirama has to take on juubito?hashirama would lose but hokage plus naruto and sasuke would prolly beat madara, but if madara has juubi, madara would win but hashirama would beat whitemask obito imo.
😂 the only reason why Orange mask Obito got hit is cause Obito was off guard, Obito on guard dodged the Raikage 😂, Amaterasu is slower than the Raikage
That is the point, obito was actually fighting reckless make it so he was susceptible to attacks he could have dodged. Obito doesn't let his guard down against anybody else from this point onward until he's revealed as Obito
@@ThunderGodTG but I could say that there is no way Obito should have expected a bed ridden Sasuke to have Itachi Amaterasu, also even young Obito has shown to react to Minato who’s can probably dodge Amaterasu pretty easily, in all honesty the only reason why Minato beat Obito is cause he had the perfect counter to kamui Itachi doesn’t have anything like that
Crazy thing is the 3rd databooks stated he used kamui to get rid of Amaterasu. So even at the slight chance that obito is hit he can still get rid of it
Amaterasu only kills Obito if it hits from behind since he wouldn’t be able to easily kamui it away, I guess? Then Itachi’s win-con is to get a shadow clone behind Obito
@@nanyohristov4818 I’m going off the bases of Minato having prep time since it’s out of character for him to go fight kabuto knowing damn well he dose not have a way to undo edo at that point why bother? It would be a low iq move and Minato is smarter then that, but I understand for the sake of the video they have to force and out of character decision. Also I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say Minato won’t be able to touch kabuto at all with the help of Sasuke, and even if one of the fastest ninja to have ever lived somehow couldn’t touch him he can just teleport help into the cave Minato has many win conditions just not in this very nerf and restricted conditions for the sake of the video
@@nanyohristov4818 can you imagine he teleports Hashirama into the cave 😂 Kabuto is getting violated at that point, I can see Minato going hey I don’t have sealing justu that can undo the edo I’m not gonna be able to do this in my own I need to make a plan to create a opening for someone who can then proceed to come up with a win condition weather it works or not is another story but no way he just walks in there with zero game plan
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Think you're underestimating minatos sealing prowess, he has an uzumaki tier sealing prowess which definitely means that he knows basic movement stopping sealing and basically instantly defeat people like kabuto.
Saying Minato not being as fast as the orbs is a dead horse but in the same vein saying Itachi is KCM speed is biased. There's nothing to suggest Naruto was going all out. Where as, the clones were programmed to fight at full force with Itachi clearly getting a buff as an Edo. His speed is unquantifiable with a generous feat putting him at somewhere below KCM
Itachi would probably be an even worse dad than Minato was. Imagine him showing during Naruto’s fight with Pain, and instead of encouraging words, just doing his usual “ohhh you lack haaaate” spiel and making Naruto re-live Hinata’s death for 100 hours
I think Sasuke and Minato vs Kabuto would have been amazing. Sasuke being in shock at how great naruto's dad is and giving respect to that. While Minato respecting Sasuke as a fellow genius.
26:30 if he can tag Kabuto he win, this is bacause the Teleport Negates any Damage Imunity, want prove? after Minato marked Obito he goes to him TOUCH e and free the 9 tails from obito´s control, i think that this happens because the Teleport Jutsu make you go for what is Marked, so it forces Obito´s Body to not go to the Kamui realm, if realy tags Kabuto, would force Kabuto to not go into a Liquid, PROBABLY.
Itachi vs the 9 tails should still have his crow with kotoamatsukami right? If it's strong enough to break him out of direct edo tensei control, then for sure it would be enough to deal with the situation right? Either on the 9 tails itself or just on obito directly maybe...
I disagree with what you said about Itachi not being able to break obito's control on kurama with his tsukuyomi. In the fight verse kabuto Itachi used tsukuyomi to get sasuke out of Tayuya's genjutsu so i don't see why it wouldnt be plausible here, like that's essentially what would happen, the stronger genjutsu takes effect. Ngl it would probably be considerably harder but definitely still within Itachi's ability. Like tsukuyomi is definitely stronger than a sharingan genjutsu Even if it's cast from an MS. Even if he can't take full control of the Kurama he could definitely at least knock him out/put him to sleep
When it comes to raw power/scaling, I’ve always seen sharingan(prime/edo) itachi being comparable to base minato as they both scale around KCM naruto in terms of speed and strength, with sage minato scaling to Ms/susanoo itachi (in terms of raw power and possibly speed) In speed sharingan itachi could probably barely keep up with base minato and most likely solidly keep up with MS sage mode minato would most likely bring it back to what it would be before These are just my opinion and this is using prime/edo itachi scaling
You have my respect for scaling to minato to kcm 1 Which is just most consistent scale for him because people who just scale based on hype scalet o kcm 2 , 8 gate guy and stuff 🗿 But i would disagree about itachi needing prime or edo, because itachi in base can already be scaled to mkcm Or kcm1. 5 naruto More like sick itachi can be scaled to base minato and sage minato possibly being able to defeat him By the way I think kcm minato is more close to prime itachi
@@ohhellwhereami2574 for the most part I can agree, except MS itachi is most likely the one closer to KCM 1.5 naruto, but Biju minato scales to(or above) Mastered biju naruto
@@sergperez5484 that's what I mean by base, ms itachi is that level Honestly tbf sasuke show relativity to itachi and same sasuke actually had better feats than kcm 2 minato so I guess edo and prime itachi is in his different league
I feel like the Kyuubi might just be able to roar the Amaterasu away. We know Itachi's Amaterasu is pretty fast but not as fast as Sasuke's Flame Control, and Kurama was able to react to Sage Mode Naruto during the chakra tug of war which should have been relative to if not stronger than MS Sasuke during the majority of the FKS arc. Neither character is Itachi level really, but Sasuke's Amaterasu should realistically scale above Itachi's I feel. Naruto was able to blow away flames by just shouting really loud (with a base Kyuubi amp) in his first fight with Sasuke, so I feel like Kurama might be able to do something similar with Amaterasu. In which case I think the flames would be dispersed among the village, which is definitely not what Itachi wants.
@@ThunderGodTG Thanks man! Yeah I think the scenario gets harder for him to clear since Amaterasu is such a risky move even though it's his arguably his best takedown move for it, the potential for collateral damage is kinda wild
Yeah it could be similar to Temari blowing the wind off the samurai's armor in the 5KS or something to that effect and like you said too much collateral
Can't Minato just seal Kabuto, he's very proficient with sealing techniques and Kabuto doesn't have nearly as much chakra as Kurama so reaper death seal wouldn't be really necessary also even if he does use it because he's edo can't he just respawn?
Even if he seals him the Jutsu isn't undone, he needs to Incapacitate him for Sasuke to place him under Genjutsu, Itachi literally had the Hyper Specific answer to him
@@ThunderGodTG can't sasuke use amaterasu on kabuto until his regeneration runs out and then make the flames disapate with enton kagasutchi before kabuto is killed by them, itachi can't do that cause he doesn't have flame control but sasuke should be able to do that
@@ThunderGodTG the second argument was regarding hym not having anything to deal with Kabuto in terms of AP, now regarding the actual goal of the mission - wouldn't Minato have one or more jutsus in his Uzumaki sealing arsenal to cut off contract to edo , or simply use lower tier sealing to just suppress him while Sasuke puts him under genjutsu
😂😂😂 It would have been so funny that Naruto and Bee, as soon as they escaped from the turtle island bumped into Nagato and Minato with kcm2. Well that would have been a short arc.
yall give OBITO too much credit. itachi midnight the ln literally stated itachi as a child rivaled adult obito and obito himself told yall in the manga that he(with the ENTIRE AKATSUKI) held off his plans out of caution of itachi, where in the series did yall ever see the idea that obito would beat him, forget 14 year old nerfed obito
I actually think Minato will figure out a way to win vs Kabuto, just think about how he figured out Obitos ability in like 1-2 minutes and no one did that for YEARS.
Disagree with the Bee and A take that would definitely be a highdiff fight for Itachi, Minato would likely place a mark on Sasuke and could defend him in a similar manner as Itachi by always being able to quickly teleport to him and away. Also being nerfed in the last one basically means he clears.
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Yooo if Minato can seal a being as strong as the nintails. He can seal sage kabuto. Tag him once and use a seal him like he did obito. That’s GG’s . Minato is a sensory ninja, he can sense attacks such as the sage art inorganic re animation.
@cantguardb3498 nigga what? You think Sage Kabuto is Jubito level now? Do you think he is Bijuu Sage Mode Level now? Do you even think he's KCM2? I sure hope not since at best he scales to Supressed Edo Itachi who is MKCM1 Level Scaling to EMS Sasuke
You should do hypothetical dms obito. It would be hard to scale him without sixpaths buff, but still interesting. We know it doubles his kamui speed and he would have access to sussano without tue drawback of going blind.
Itachi’d light up kurama before he could even start charging the bijju bomb Or just override obito’s genjutsu with his superior tsukuyomi Or just thrust the totsuka blade and seal kurama Or deflect the bomb to a nearby mountain with the yata mirror, then light up or seal kurama Point is… itachi has a lot of options and is smarter than I am to deal with kurama at that moment
If the Ninetails fired the Biju bomb before being amata'd, then he and all of konoha would turn into crows and just reveal the Ninetails was in a genjutsu.
I don’t see edo Minato defeating sage Kabuto for a few reasons. 1. In character Minato wouldn’t resort to using sage mode because he feels that he isn’t very advanced in using it and because KCM isn’t a factor in this battle as a condition, he’s gonna have major trouble touching Kabuto. 2. If Kabuto uses the jutsu that caves in the walls with spikes, Minato has nowhere to teleport unless we assume that he has raijin kunai placed all over the cave. 3. If Kabuto uses tayuya’s genjutsu Sasuke and Minato are done for. Itachi who’s arguably the best and most versatile genjutsu user in the series could not break out on his own, him and Sasuke had to break each other out. Meaning that 1. IF Sasuke comes up with the idea of breaking Minato out with MS Minato will have to break Sasuke out before Kabuto gets there, which is unlikely. Another thing I’d like to point out is that Itachi with MS couldn’t not distinguish where Kabuto was via the sharingan. Now I know Minato is an impressive sensory type, you can argue that when Kabuto uses that blinding technique, Minato won’t know where to teleport based on Kabuto’s chakra signatures because they’ll essentially be all over the place, pressuring him so to speak.
The last point there you made was a very very good point, if labuto chakra is being sense everywhere, would that make minato have second thoughts about teleporting there and end up losing the fight as a result? Or would minato just risk it and attack as soon as he teleports?
1. He always has his KCM. In the most extreme case, even if you say somehow Kabuto can barely dodge Minato, he still can use his KCM arms to grab Kabuto. He just has to mark him once, and its gg. 2. Minato literally has markers everywhere in the world. He will obviously teleport Kabuto out of a place where Kabuto has the advantage. 3. Remember that Minato has the nine tails inside, and is therefore immune to genjutsu. 4. Again, Minato is 200iq and can pretend to lose and offer up Sasuke to Kabuto. As SOON as Kabuto touches Sasuke, its gg as Minato teleports him out.
1) I find it very funny that you always use this lame argument that Minato wouldn't use wise mode because it's not part of his character, if he decides to use it, he'll use it as simple as that, Itachi only used Shisui's genjutso once and His fanboys always mention it as if he could always use it, now Minato, who had to train wise mode, and it's his power, couldn't he use it whenever he wanted? hahahahaha 2) the cave is no problem for Minato, he can leave several marks in it, or just 1 and the effect will be the same, as he can change the position mark from a distance, so even if kabuto changes the scene, the Minato can simply control the mark to the position he desires, and as shown several times in the work, the ninja does not notice the mark on his body or it moving (stone ninja, bee, obito) 3) there is no guarantee that Minato would fall into the genjutsu just because Sasuke and Itachi fell, Minato is a sensory ninja, while Sasuke and Itachi depend on vision, Minato can feel the entire environment using his sensing, and In the unlikely scenario of him falling into genjutso, why do you think there wouldn't be time for Minato to get to Sasuke and save him? He could simply teleport to Sasuke faster than Kabuto attacks or moves, or he could teleport Sasuke the same distance he did in the war, teleporting any ninja who was attacked by the divine tree. 4) it would be the worst decision of kabuto's life to fill the cave with his chakra, as mentioned and shown by Minato in the war, he can teleport everything he or his chakra touches directly and/or indirectly, do you know what that means? that the moment Minato touches any place in the cave with Kabuto's chakra, then he will have access to Kabuto's position and will be able to find him wherever he is and teleport to him I'm not even going to take Minato's km mode into account, as it would be an exaggeration and Kabuto would be unilaterally beaten
Yeah on the facts that the tail beast could remove the black flame is not likely cause this was also proven with yagura the 3 tail beast he was fighting Itachi in that form
Why are we acting like Itachi has speed anywhere close to Minato? He doesn't. Minato could absolutely dodge all of Kabuto's attacks and speed blitz him to use one of the many Uzumaki sealing jutsu he learned from Kushina to either seal his movement, seal his ability to draw in senjutsu chakra or even unseal Orochimaru's chakra from within Kabuto allowing Orochimaru to escape or take over Kabuto's body. Saying Minato has no way to deal with Kabuto is just blatantly false.
The yata mirror is a reflection shield meaning if the 9 tails shot the biju bomb itachi could reflect it in any direction the village would be unharmed
Minato vs kabuto isn't the goal to stop the edo tensei there? If that's the goal minato can break the contract and send them back possibly. Itachi vs bee n raikage, the question is that, is itachi fast enough to dodge the raikage or can react to him? Genjutsu is never really always the answer as it's basic knowledge that an uchiha will use Genjutsu and you should fight avoiding that which against itachi shouldn't be hard to do since even sasuke couldn't do it to the raikage. You're right about excluding kcm2 minato it's an instant win if they get included
Also we’re just gonna act like Minato couldn’t tag Sage Kabuto and use funijutsu? Or literal teleport kabuto’s attacks or himself!? We know that FTG formula doesn’t disappear after the users death
Itachi would easily defeat the nine tails with toska blade and can defend against tail beast bomb with yata mirror but he would easily tsukiyomi against the tailed beast
The problem is that the Nine Tails is across the Village out of Itachi's Range and the Yata Mirror is not omnidirectional so it's not gonna block all the explosion
@@ThunderGodTG but by the sheer size of the shield it should be reliable for these types of instances and especially if madara’s fan was able to reflect kcm 2 tailed beast bomb rasengan itachi’s yata mirror should far exceed that
@@ninteen4515 the objective is to save the village. Itachi tanking a tailed beast bomb from 9 tails only saves him, the shockwave and after math of the explosion will destroy the leaf
Did you forget including Hebi Sasuke vs Minato? or part 1 Sasuke, Naruto and Jiraiya vs Minato and Kisame? Or Minato and Kisame vs Kurenai, Asuma, Kakashi and Guy? Those were pretty important.
Why would itachi wait to use Amaterasu.. he’d probably realize he has nothing on the nine tails and just Amaterasu it way before he charges the biju bomb
Izanaghi needs to be casted beforehand. Obito survived amaterasu using kamui. It's also stated in the databooks. Also, obito is not a rival or comparable to akatsuki itachi. Itachi states to hebi sasuke that "Madara exists" and that madara is his sense. His whole fight with sasuke was Itachi prepping Sasuke as much as possible. Knowing that when sasuke had the EMS, Itachi's trap would trigger as it did. Unfortunately the master knows everything he teaches the student, but the student doesn't know everything the master does. Hence obito stating that if itachi knew more about him, he'd be able to kill him. Nevertheless, obito bodies any version of itachi. Not sure why itachi is at the obito level.
I think Minato would teleport Kabuto out of the cave somewhere else where he doesn’t have the advantage. Minato still beats sage kabuto especially if he’s also in sage mode. The larger question is whether he can undo the reanimation jutsu, no kill kabuto. Kabuto stated repeated that itachi could’ve killed him multiple times
Minato still has half of the nine tales which will come out anytime he is in danger like Naruto. This will ensure his victory "most" of the time. Including against Kabuto which it will simply blow the whole cave up.
Contract seal won't work. It only removes control of the summon from the summoner, which won't stop edo tensei as they are autonomous. Same reason killing Kabuto won't work.
1st one makes no sense. He would easily just put the 9 tails in a genjutsu easily with Tsukuyomi. They told Fugaku that he could put the fox in a genjutsu but he said that they didn’t want him to. It’s literally supported by the story and there is an instance of genjutsu overriding the control of another by the Koto Amatsu Kami overriding Kabuto’s genjutsu. Sasuke and Itachi breaking each other out of Kabuto’s genjutsu is another instance. In the show the strongest genjutsu user wins, and Itachi is the strongest genjutsu user in the show with the 3rd strongest genjutsu. Also his genjutsu is definitely superior to Madara’s?
Itachi could just genjustu Obito with a finger, like he did to Naruto. Use subtle genjustu so Obito doesn't believe he is in one. If Obito's timing is off enough, then Itachi can buy enough time to then use Susanoo, Amaterasu, or Tsukuyomi to deal with Obito.
I feel like if itachi used amaterasu on the 9 Tails like that it might hurt the village if the 9 Tails is thrashing around from it causing the village to burn as well and he would have to put it out
That's solid facts nor could itachi have ever in a million years been in the same situations as Minato and been successful. I don't see any way that Minato comes even close to losing to Itachi. Going by feats its not even possible. Itachi is seriously outclassed here.
most of itachi's trump cards are single target focused such as amaterasu or various genjutsu, not to mention izanami. i think it's certainly possible for even sick itachi to izanami minato, or even koto amatsukami. itachi would win the fight before it even started. now without the hacks, itachi loses 9/10 no denying that, though an edo itachi would certainly at the very least prove to be troublesome for minato, it could go either way.
@@hellishot5224 the child prodigy 12 year old ms user who slaughtered the entire uchiha stopped with one touch....somehow i don't think so. speed is important but so is ability and utility.
Minato should be able to teleport Kabuto out of the cave if he tags him and remove one of the handicaps. Minato doesn’t have an asspull Genjutsu but Sasuke can cast Tsukiyomi and I don’t understand how Minato wouldn’t be able teleport Kabuto right in-front of Sasuke if he manages to tag him. Minato could teleport him to the battlefield and have more people support him. The whole deal with Kabuto was that nobody knew where he was anyway. With Minato’s BIQ it’s nigh impossible for him to not pull a win and stop Kabuto but if the condition is to not kill Kabuto or Kabuto’s reform then he wouldn’t be able to clear on the same time as Itachi.
I think he is using older itachi, so yes itachi should win, remember in this scenario itachi is acting as the 4th hokage so yes he would have to be his strongest self while alive, that being Mangekyou sharingan and all
The Minato and itachi comparisons need to stop they just aren't even narratively. Minato is shown facing off a ten tails level threat over Itachi facing a busted dragon sage threat. The power between the two is vast. Hence why 1 was shown before and after the other
I wanted to do Obito and Itachi, but I don't want to just talk about Uchiha, it's also for make sake as if I don't find the vid entertaining it won't come out well
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Obito would win every against every character Itachi fought against lol
Kakashi and obito swapped fights
Gotta disagree on the kcm Naruto speed feat for itachi because immediately after this base bee starts boxing with itachi and there is zero indication of itachi starting to home back as he had zero control of his body much much more likely kcm Naruto was holding back unless you're gonna say base bee is relative to kcm naruto
Itachi is going to take care of kyuubi so fast you dont even have an idea. Dude literally easily saved both Jinchuriki's life against Nagato. Anyway, Itachi can easily put Kyuubi into genjutsu. Even Obito did it at 14, if genjutsu doesn't work then Amaterasu, then Totsuka blade to seal it. he can easily stop the Biju bomb either with Yata mirror, which doesn't take any damage because it just replicates the attack properties to adjust, or even with Susanoo body only as we saw Susanoo taking a whole Biju bomb from Naruto/kyuubi during their last fight. And we also saw hagoromo Susanoo easily stopping the Bijuu bomb from the 10 tails. You are really underestimating the Susanoo
This was a great video very interesting
"A nerfed Obito who is, like, 14."
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Funny they say he was nerfed when he has Hashi cells. That automatically makes him stronger than 90% of Naruto
@@breyonhopkins4795 exactly
@@breyonhopkins4795 he's still nerfed because we can saw his potential when using DMS when he fused his soul with kakashi. The hashi cells might grants him that pseudo ems but the DMS gave him the strongest susanoo ever
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Itachi isn’t stupid, the only reason minato jumped on the stone wall of the hokage’s is because he was confident that he could transport the nine tailed beast bomb. Itachi would of approached the nine tails differently, he definitely would not of taken the high ground and forced the nine tails to focus on him away from the village
im shocked to even hear thinking an uchiha would lose to a tailed beast itachi would easily beat nine tails or just seal it right then and there or can even control 9 tails easily
@@razzo086 Actually Itachi could have done two things either he could have used his sharingan to counteract obito Control over the nine tails or if he had his susano at the time he could have sealed him in the realm of drunken dreams or why didnt The cloud send the pot that Got kinkaku and ginkaku Because as far as I know the cloud and the leaf were not at war at the time so they could have transported the pot sealed him away until Naruto was old enough to take on the nine tails fully and understand the power
Why not simply seal kurama with the totsuka blade, its a pretty easy target to seal actually.
About Itachi overriding Obito’s control of the nine tails, we see that in the Kabuto fight when Kabuto places Itachi and Sasuke in genjutsu, they both break each other out with the sharingan. Sasuke using generic genjutsu and Itachi using tsukuyomi. That’s proof alone that the sharingan can break people out of genjutsu. For the bijuu it might be different? Maybe but possible nonetheless.
itachi still loses to obito
@@Ghost-jq4ey 14 yo obito tho?
@@guyhathansaintil5218 any obito with ms win against itachi
@@guyhathansaintil5218Itachi just doesn't have any technique that could actually hit obito.
@@karthiknarayanan3705itachis jutsu has literally almost killed obito before this is just an objectively false headcanon
it's so weird that this kinda content doesn't get more views. I feel like there's so many people that like this exact type of thing, but the algorithm hasn't really pushed it out much.
A typical minato vs itachi would probably get way more views but this is a way more interesting concept.
Well most fans don't really watch powerscaling.
Minato marking kabuto and teleporting him out of the cave would be a possibility.
Kabuto would know how Minato works, and thus act accordingly. I don't see why expose himself.
@@m.caeben2578 kabuto would not know that minato would be able to teleport him out of the cave. All he would likely know is that he can teleport to any of the kunai, not that the seal can teleport him
@@XGoken Ok, fair enough.
@@XGoken y’all acting like it’ll be that easy. plus minato don’t even know any of kabuto moves
@@cantguardb3498 Doesn't matter. He had zero intel on Obito. Still stomped him easily.
One note for the genjutsu override is that when kabuto had both itachi and sasuke pinned down, they each used genjutsu to enter each others minds and cut off kabuto's control.
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On the Itachi vs Kyuubi encounter, I perfectly gives it to Itachi. He has the means to protect himself from a bijuu bomb with the Yara mirror (for example Suigestu survived being blown up point blank by the 8 tails, so Yata mirror is going to work just fine).
Then he can Amaterasu Kyuubi and close the gap to then seal it with the Tostuka blade.
The only problem would be, the village might have more casualties than with Minato.
However let's not forget Hiruzen, he was around ready to pop up to mitigate as much as possible for him. So he is a factor to for the survival of a part of the inhabitants.
I personally don’t see itachi taking the same approach minato did he attacks the nine tails from the shadows via his susanoo blade
That wasn’t a biju bomb suigestsu took, but maybe itachi can break the gentjutsu 9 tails was under 🤷🏾♂️
i think its more likely itachi breaks the genjutsu and tries to stop it himself then seal it, whether he uses his totsuka blade or not (since we know he knows other sealing jutsu) doesnt really matter
y would itachi seal the kyuubi?
there's absolutely no reason that itachi wouldn't be able to yata mirror into totsuka blade the ninetails, especially when kabuto doesn't know about either ability.
and minato's only objective is to stop Kabuto from controlling the Edos, realistically there's a high chance he could just BFR kabuto to a place where he's not able to escape or completely sealed or he might even be able to use the contract seal to disconnect him from the Edos.
Exactly, plus minato has like a contract seal that he could arguably sever the contract from kabutos and the edos it would be difficult as kabutos edo is far stronger than oros or tobirama, but atleast thats an option, if the cave is a problem minato just get them out of the cave, but maybe that is too convenient and does not tell a fight goes with minato and kabuto
Oh you mean obito would not know about amaterasu or yata mirror?
@@momotheone9700 obits wouldn't know about any of itachi's abilities or equipment, to save the village itachi would use anything available, especially the yata mirror, and the totsuka blade which is like top 3 sealing in the verse.
The Yata Mirror does not block Omnidirectionally, the Surrounding Area would still get blown away
@@ThunderGodTG no but it does reflect it so it wouldn’t explode on the mirror
What if bee and the raikage swapped fights
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That’s a good one
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Bee vs Sasuke at Kage Summit 😬😬. Would be terrible for Sasuke.
@@quinnh1398 Also raikage vs taka is a stoml
About Minato's reaction speed, idk if he did in the manga but in the anime he was able to completely turn around in midair catch the truthseeker orbs on his back and teleport away all while he was inbetween guy and madara
That feat is weird bc lee threw the kunai that would mean lee can throw a kunai faster than 8 gate guy can move so that whole scene is just weird
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@@jackschwanke603 yep! But also the speed of his kunai is faster than madaras orbs too! Lee > Madara speed confirmed?
@@Human_01 alright that was interesting
@@TheArmouredOne it might be idk, the orbs don’t seem to have that crazy of speed feats nor has the writers wrote it out to be like some crazy speed hax. Ppl use this scene to hype minato but to me it just seems like a cool scene no feats involved. Cuz it mean lee and minato are faster than 8gate guy and that doesn’t make sense
I think if Itachi used Amaterasu on Kurama, it would be dangerous because if he reacts like Bee did it would cause even more destruction to the village with him flailing around on fire and possibly lighting the village on fire with Amaterasu.
or kurama could shed a layer of chakra skin...
@@gavinma4831 that would be his actual skin bro that’s not how that works lol
@@gavinma4831 he can't do that
@@gavinma4831 you’ve got the spirit I guess 😂
Itachi would just turn it off afterwards
"has to take him down by force" Homie are you forgetting that this is literally the person with the most sealing showings in the series!?
Minato is like seconds to none with sealing jutsu. He could easily seal kabuto without even trying to damage him.
minato isn’t sealing kabuto , he wouldn’t even land a hit
It wouldn’t be that easy. Kabutomara is a monster
Exactly. Minato speed blitzes and seals Kabuto before he can understand what is going on. Minato doesn't wait around!
@@cantguardb3498 Minato is literally the fastest ninja of all time outside of the six paths characters, are you for real?
@@IchigoKurosaki911 yo point? he still not beating sage kabuto
Very good video and especially what you said at the end is extremely true that both characters fought people that they have better arsenal to deal with them. For example Minato has FTG to deal with Kamui, therefore he always will be a better match up against Obito, than Itachi would. And Itachi has Izanami to deal with Kabuto and Susanoo to protect Sasuke, so even tho Itachi and Minato are very similar to each other in every stats, they have their own match up where one can perform better than the other. Awesome video, very accurate and it's so good to hear some accurate Minato scaling nowadays. Awesome video, keep up the good work! 👍
Yeah but he did kinda nerf minato a little
23:12 about the minato kabuto fight, couldn't minato just seal him? I mean i get it we dont see the full variety of minato's seal, but its like clear his feats are good enough chakra quantity wise to handle a shinobi the chakra levels as kabuto even in sage mode, sealing the ninetails essentially being the reason there are 2 version of the ninetails, minato tagging kabuto with ftg seal having comparable speed to even a sage kabuto, minato may be able to get to kabuto in time to eventually seal him if he cant pfysically take him down. And i think to have minato try to take down kabuto was not the aim, just to subdue him, this is my thought i might be wrong
U can’t do that cuz he can’t incapacitate him
@@EssUchiha he would get help from sasuke remember.
Yeah MAYBE he could force a contract seal and make him lose control of all the edo tensi characters
@@spit-fire i get it, its a big MAYBE but at the same time it might be difficult to break all the summons from such an expert of edo tensei all at the same time.
Maybe, it really all depends on kabuto. If kabuto underestimates Minato he will lose badly but if kabuto humbles himself and actually try and win the fight Minato will have a hard time. Not only does his unpredictability become useless now that Kabuto has sage mode but he will expect Minato’s teleportation. The only thing Minato can do is bait kabuto and win with iQ. Minato is similar to Itachi in this situation where he would need to use a sealing jutsu or a forbidden jutsu never seen or used before even to kabuto. Minato can win but I think Kabuto has the win speaking logically
I think Itachi could bounce off the bijuu dama with the Yata Mirror the same way Kurama did with all those bijuu dama latter in the war arc
Here are some suggestions for videos on if characters switched roles:
Itachi and Kakashi
Itachi and Pain
Pain and Sage Kabuto
Obito and Kabuto
Madara and Obito
Orochimaru and Jiraiya
Shino vs each of the sound 5 (I can't find New Horizons video on it, could you pasted here if you found it)?
I’m pretty sure Minato would tag Sasuke before they enter the cave. He tagged his team in the war too. A tagged Sasuke and and the outside safety tags would mean he can save Sasuke. I’ll say the nerf is not fair at all.
What if Obito and Madara Switched places🤔😱
Damn that was my idea Edo Madara vs ksm Naruto and sage Susanoo Sasuke and Rinnegan Obito vs alive Hashirama would i. My option be the best part
@@gameuniverse5973 yeah bro looking forward to seeing him do that one for sure
@@gameuniverse5973 so this means madara would fight naruto guy kakashi and bee and obito would fight the 5 kage? Also does ot means that madara would fight the hokage without juubi? Because if madara does not fight with juubi against hokages and naruto and sasuke and hashirama has to take on juubito?hashirama would lose but hokage plus naruto and sasuke would prolly beat madara, but if madara has juubi, madara would win but hashirama would beat whitemask obito imo.
😂 the only reason why Orange mask Obito got hit is cause Obito was off guard, Obito on guard dodged the Raikage 😂, Amaterasu is slower than the Raikage
That is the point, obito was actually fighting reckless make it so he was susceptible to attacks he could have dodged. Obito doesn't let his guard down against anybody else from this point onward until he's revealed as Obito
@@ThunderGodTG but I could say that there is no way Obito should have expected a bed ridden Sasuke to have Itachi Amaterasu, also even young Obito has shown to react to Minato who’s can probably dodge Amaterasu pretty easily, in all honesty the only reason why Minato beat Obito is cause he had the perfect counter to kamui Itachi doesn’t have anything like that
Crazy thing is the 3rd databooks stated he used kamui to get rid of Amaterasu. So even at the slight chance that obito is hit he can still get rid of it
Amaterasu only kills Obito if it hits from behind since he wouldn’t be able to easily kamui it away, I guess? Then Itachi’s win-con is to get a shadow clone behind Obito
@@VTWS lol shadow clone
I have long been waiting for this
Imagine in Itachi used Shisui eye to turn Obitio into a good guy when they attacked Konoha with the nine tails lol
This is a video I have been hyped to see. Truly great content.
We’re interested in itachi and obito swapping fights
Nah, Itachi would’ve seal that fox with the blade. He definitely playing.
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I know Kabuto is buffed in his final fight, but I have great confidence that a sage mode Minato would be able to put him down.
No, no and NO kabuto trashes trash minato
Teleporting is so broken if Minato can’t do it he can just teleport Kabuto to someone who can simple as that 🤷🏽♂️
@@johnc3539 well thats the problem he needs to have mark on someon who can plus cabuto can just beat mianto 1 on 1 with ease and mianto cant so shit
@@nanyohristov4818 I’m going off the bases of Minato having prep time since it’s out of character for him to go fight kabuto knowing damn well he dose not have a way to undo edo at that point why bother? It would be a low iq move and Minato is smarter then that, but I understand for the sake of the video they have to force and out of character decision. Also I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say Minato won’t be able to touch kabuto at all with the help of Sasuke, and even if one of the fastest ninja to have ever lived somehow couldn’t touch him he can just teleport help into the cave Minato has many win conditions just not in this very nerf and restricted conditions for the sake of the video
@@nanyohristov4818 can you imagine he teleports Hashirama into the cave 😂 Kabuto is getting violated at that point, I can see Minato going hey I don’t have sealing justu that can undo the edo I’m not gonna be able to do this in my own I need to make a plan to create a opening for someone who can then proceed to come up with a win condition weather it works or not is another story but no way he just walks in there with zero game plan
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Think you're underestimating minatos sealing prowess, he has an uzumaki tier sealing prowess which definitely means that he knows basic movement stopping sealing and basically instantly defeat people like kabuto.
Saying Minato not being as fast as the orbs is a dead horse but in the same vein saying Itachi is KCM speed is biased. There's nothing to suggest Naruto was going all out. Where as, the clones were programmed to fight at full force with Itachi clearly getting a buff as an Edo. His speed is unquantifiable with a generous feat putting him at somewhere below KCM
Itachi would probably be an even worse dad than Minato was. Imagine him showing during Naruto’s fight with Pain, and instead of encouraging words, just doing his usual “ohhh you lack haaaate” spiel and making Naruto re-live Hinata’s death for 100 hours
Jiraiya and Orochimaru swapping fights would be interesting. Also Kakshi and Kabuto since they are supposedly around the same level in OG.
Been waiting for this one
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I think Sasuke and Minato vs Kabuto would have been amazing. Sasuke being in shock at how great naruto's dad is and giving respect to that. While Minato respecting Sasuke as a fellow genius.
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26:30 if he can tag Kabuto he win, this is bacause the Teleport Negates any Damage Imunity, want prove? after Minato marked Obito he goes to him TOUCH e and free the 9 tails from obito´s control, i think that this happens because the Teleport Jutsu make you go for what is Marked, so it forces Obito´s Body to not go to the Kamui realm, if realy tags Kabuto, would force Kabuto to not go into a Liquid, PROBABLY.
I likr this theory, minato tagging you negates certain invincibility, it would be a testament to minato being a sealing expert
Itachi vs the 9 tails should still have his crow with kotoamatsukami right? If it's strong enough to break him out of direct edo tensei control, then for sure it would be enough to deal with the situation right? Either on the 9 tails itself or just on obito directly maybe...
If Itachi hit Kurama with the Totsuka blade, would there be a way to unseal it? would Black Zetsu's plan be fucked?
I disagree with what you said about Itachi not being able to break obito's control on kurama with his tsukuyomi. In the fight verse kabuto Itachi used tsukuyomi to get sasuke out of Tayuya's genjutsu so i don't see why it wouldnt be plausible here, like that's essentially what would happen, the stronger genjutsu takes effect. Ngl it would probably be considerably harder but definitely still within Itachi's ability. Like tsukuyomi is definitely stronger than a sharingan genjutsu Even if it's cast from an MS. Even if he can't take full control of the Kurama he could definitely at least knock him out/put him to sleep
When it comes to raw power/scaling,
I’ve always seen sharingan(prime/edo) itachi being comparable to base minato as they both scale around KCM naruto in terms of speed and strength, with sage minato scaling to Ms/susanoo itachi (in terms of raw power and possibly speed)
In speed sharingan itachi could probably barely keep up with base minato and most likely solidly keep up with MS
sage mode minato would most likely bring it back to what it would be before
These are just my opinion and this is using prime/edo itachi scaling
You have my respect for scaling to minato to kcm 1
Which is just most consistent scale for him because people who just scale based on hype scalet o kcm 2 , 8 gate guy and stuff 🗿
But i would disagree about itachi needing prime or edo, because itachi in base can already be scaled to mkcm Or kcm1. 5 naruto
More like sick itachi can be scaled to base minato and sage minato possibly being able to defeat him
By the way I think kcm minato is more close to prime itachi
@@ohhellwhereami2574 for the most part I can agree, except MS itachi is most likely the one closer to KCM 1.5 naruto, but Biju minato scales to(or above) Mastered biju naruto
@@sergperez5484 that's what I mean by base, ms itachi is that level
Honestly tbf sasuke show relativity to itachi and same sasuke actually had better feats than kcm 2 minato so I guess edo and prime itachi is in his different league
I love how you went on incognito as though Yellow Mask Obito details is classified Land of Fire information.
Idk what this means can you explain?
I feel like the Kyuubi might just be able to roar the Amaterasu away. We know Itachi's Amaterasu is pretty fast but not as fast as Sasuke's Flame Control, and Kurama was able to react to Sage Mode Naruto during the chakra tug of war which should have been relative to if not stronger than MS Sasuke during the majority of the FKS arc. Neither character is Itachi level really, but Sasuke's Amaterasu should realistically scale above Itachi's I feel. Naruto was able to blow away flames by just shouting really loud (with a base Kyuubi amp) in his first fight with Sasuke, so I feel like Kurama might be able to do something similar with Amaterasu. In which case I think the flames would be dispersed among the village, which is definitely not what Itachi wants.
This is actually a pretty good take I haven’t heard before
@@ThunderGodTG Thanks man! Yeah I think the scenario gets harder for him to clear since Amaterasu is such a risky move even though it's his arguably his best takedown move for it, the potential for collateral damage is kinda wild
Yeah it could be similar to Temari blowing the wind off the samurai's armor in the 5KS or something to that effect and like you said too much collateral
Can't Minato just seal Kabuto, he's very proficient with sealing techniques and Kabuto doesn't have nearly as much chakra as Kurama so reaper death seal wouldn't be really necessary also even if he does use it because he's edo can't he just respawn?
Exactly i just said that.
Even if he is sealed, how can the Edos be liberated? Wouldn't they just continue existing?
Even if he seals him the Jutsu isn't undone, he needs to Incapacitate him for Sasuke to place him under Genjutsu, Itachi literally had the Hyper Specific answer to him
@@ThunderGodTG can't sasuke use amaterasu on kabuto until his regeneration runs out and then make the flames disapate with enton kagasutchi before kabuto is killed by them, itachi can't do that cause he doesn't have flame control but sasuke should be able to do that
@@ThunderGodTG the second argument was regarding hym not having anything to deal with Kabuto in terms of AP, now regarding the actual goal of the mission - wouldn't Minato have one or more jutsus in his Uzumaki sealing arsenal to cut off contract to edo , or simply use lower tier sealing to just suppress him while Sasuke puts him under genjutsu
😂😂😂 It would have been so funny that Naruto and Bee, as soon as they escaped from the turtle island bumped into Nagato and Minato with kcm2.
Well that would have been a short arc.
Before I watch I’m gonna say they should both go undefeated.
There’s no way itachi forces obito into a retreat. Y’all give itachi too much credit
yall give OBITO too much credit. itachi midnight the ln literally stated itachi as a child rivaled adult obito and obito himself told yall in the manga that he(with the ENTIRE AKATSUKI) held off his plans out of caution of itachi, where in the series did yall ever see the idea that obito would beat him, forget 14 year old nerfed obito
I actually think Minato will figure out a way to win vs Kabuto, just think about how he figured out Obitos ability in like 1-2 minutes and no one did that for YEARS.
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Disagree with the Bee and A take that would definitely be a highdiff fight for Itachi, Minato would likely place a mark on Sasuke and could defend him in a similar manner as Itachi by always being able to quickly teleport to him and away. Also being nerfed in the last one basically means he clears.
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Yooo if Minato can seal a being as strong as the nintails. He can seal sage kabuto. Tag him once and use a seal him like he did obito. That’s GG’s . Minato is a sensory ninja, he can sense attacks such as the sage art inorganic re animation.
That still doesn’t undo edo tensei sure he seals kabuto but then the edos walk free
@@TheAdventangel Assuming he has the bodies necessary to do edo tensei, but even then, Minato can seal people… so theirs that
KCM2 Minato washes all fights, Itachi takes only 14 year old Obito - these are my predictions
Itachi takes all of them apart from obito if not he probably beats obito high diff
kcm 2 not beating sage mode kabuto
@cantguardb3498 yes he is he is absolutely stomping him he can't have the same win condition but he will beat Kabuto
@Percival Knight Of the Flames how is he gonna win 💀sage kabuto low diff him
@cantguardb3498 nigga what? You think Sage Kabuto is Jubito level now? Do you think he is Bijuu Sage Mode Level now? Do you even think he's KCM2? I sure hope not since at best he scales to Supressed Edo Itachi who is MKCM1 Level Scaling to EMS Sasuke
You should do hypothetical dms obito. It would be hard to scale him without sixpaths buff, but still interesting. We know it doubles his kamui speed and he would have access to sussano without tue drawback of going blind.
Itachi’d light up kurama before he could even start charging the bijju bomb
Or just override obito’s genjutsu with his superior tsukuyomi
Or just thrust the totsuka blade and seal kurama
Or deflect the bomb to a nearby mountain with the yata mirror, then light up or seal kurama
Point is… itachi has a lot of options and is smarter than I am to deal with kurama at that moment
If the Ninetails fired the Biju bomb before being amata'd, then he and all of konoha would turn into crows and just reveal the Ninetails was in a genjutsu.
I don’t see edo Minato defeating sage Kabuto for a few reasons.
1. In character Minato wouldn’t resort to using sage mode because he feels that he isn’t very advanced in using it and because KCM isn’t a factor in this battle as a condition, he’s gonna have major trouble touching Kabuto.
2. If Kabuto uses the jutsu that caves in the walls with spikes, Minato has nowhere to teleport unless we assume that he has raijin kunai placed all over the cave.
3. If Kabuto uses tayuya’s genjutsu Sasuke and Minato are done for. Itachi who’s arguably the best and most versatile genjutsu user in the series could not break out on his own, him and Sasuke had to break each other out. Meaning that 1. IF Sasuke comes up with the idea of breaking Minato out with MS Minato will have to break Sasuke out before Kabuto gets there, which is unlikely.
Another thing I’d like to point out is that Itachi with MS couldn’t not distinguish where Kabuto was via the sharingan. Now I know Minato is an impressive sensory type, you can argue that when Kabuto uses that blinding technique, Minato won’t know where to teleport based on Kabuto’s chakra signatures because they’ll essentially be all over the place, pressuring him so to speak.
The last point there you made was a very very good point, if labuto chakra is being sense everywhere, would that make minato have second thoughts about teleporting there and end up losing the fight as a result? Or would minato just risk it and attack as soon as he teleports?
1. He always has his KCM. In the most extreme case, even if you say somehow Kabuto can barely dodge Minato, he still can use his KCM arms to grab Kabuto. He just has to mark him once, and its gg.
2. Minato literally has markers everywhere in the world. He will obviously teleport Kabuto out of a place where Kabuto has the advantage.
3. Remember that Minato has the nine tails inside, and is therefore immune to genjutsu.
4. Again, Minato is 200iq and can pretend to lose and offer up Sasuke to Kabuto. As SOON as Kabuto touches Sasuke, its gg as Minato teleports him out.
1) I find it very funny that you always use this lame argument that Minato wouldn't use wise mode because it's not part of his character, if he decides to use it, he'll use it as simple as that, Itachi only used Shisui's genjutso once and His fanboys always mention it as if he could always use it, now Minato, who had to train wise mode, and it's his power, couldn't he use it whenever he wanted? hahahahaha
2) the cave is no problem for Minato, he can leave several marks in it, or just 1 and the effect will be the same, as he can change the position mark from a distance, so even if kabuto changes the scene, the Minato can simply control the mark to the position he desires, and as shown several times in the work, the ninja does not notice the mark on his body or it moving (stone ninja, bee, obito)
3) there is no guarantee that Minato would fall into the genjutsu just because Sasuke and Itachi fell, Minato is a sensory ninja, while Sasuke and Itachi depend on vision, Minato can feel the entire environment using his sensing, and In the unlikely scenario of him falling into genjutso, why do you think there wouldn't be time for Minato to get to Sasuke and save him? He could simply teleport to Sasuke faster than Kabuto attacks or moves, or he could teleport Sasuke the same distance he did in the war, teleporting any ninja who was attacked by the divine tree.
4) it would be the worst decision of kabuto's life to fill the cave with his chakra, as mentioned and shown by Minato in the war, he can teleport everything he or his chakra touches directly and/or indirectly, do you know what that means? that the moment Minato touches any place in the cave with Kabuto's chakra, then he will have access to Kabuto's position and will be able to find him wherever he is and teleport to him
I'm not even going to take Minato's km mode into account, as it would be an exaggeration and Kabuto would be unilaterally beaten
You would need more plot armor then Sasuke for Itachi to to beat Yellow mask Obito.
So basically Minato needs to be nerfed just to make it even LOL
I said what I said lol
Yeah on the facts that the tail beast could remove the black flame is not likely cause this was also proven with yagura the 3 tail beast he was fighting Itachi in that form
Why are we acting like Itachi has speed anywhere close to Minato? He doesn't. Minato could absolutely dodge all of Kabuto's attacks and speed blitz him to use one of the many Uzumaki sealing jutsu he learned from Kushina to either seal his movement, seal his ability to draw in senjutsu chakra or even unseal Orochimaru's chakra from within Kabuto allowing Orochimaru to escape or take over Kabuto's body. Saying Minato has no way to deal with Kabuto is just blatantly false.
Itachi literally has better speed feats than Minato, who is only as fast as v1 Raikage.
Itachi could literally just use the yatamere to reflect the biju bomb away from the village
awesome analysis as always Thundergod, I agree with every point you made here lol.... keep up the good work!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The yata mirror is a reflection shield meaning if the 9 tails shot the biju bomb itachi could reflect it in any direction the village would be unharmed
Minato vs kabuto isn't the goal to stop the edo tensei there? If that's the goal minato can break the contract and send them back possibly. Itachi vs bee n raikage, the question is that, is itachi fast enough to dodge the raikage or can react to him? Genjutsu is never really always the answer as it's basic knowledge that an uchiha will use Genjutsu and you should fight avoiding that which against itachi shouldn't be hard to do since even sasuke couldn't do it to the raikage. You're right about excluding kcm2 minato it's an instant win if they get included
Also we’re just gonna act like Minato couldn’t tag Sage Kabuto and use funijutsu? Or literal teleport kabuto’s attacks or himself!? We know that FTG formula doesn’t disappear after the users death
Itachi would easily defeat the nine tails with toska blade and can defend against tail beast bomb with yata mirror but he would easily tsukiyomi against the tailed beast
The problem is that the Nine Tails is across the Village out of Itachi's Range and the Yata Mirror is not omnidirectional so it's not gonna block all the explosion
@@ThunderGodTG but by the sheer size of the shield it should be reliable for these types of instances and especially if madara’s fan was able to reflect kcm 2 tailed beast bomb rasengan itachi’s yata mirror should far exceed that
@@ninteen4515 the objective is to save the village. Itachi tanking a tailed beast bomb from 9 tails only saves him, the shockwave and after math of the explosion will destroy the leaf
@@xvingar6318 oh okay yea you’re right bout that
All itachi got yo do is hit kurama with amaeratsu
Did you forget including Hebi Sasuke vs Minato? or part 1 Sasuke, Naruto and Jiraiya vs Minato and Kisame? Or Minato and Kisame vs Kurenai, Asuma, Kakashi and Guy?
Those were pretty important.
Kabuto is a monster with the drugs 💀
Why would itachi wait to use Amaterasu.. he’d probably realize he has nothing on the nine tails and just Amaterasu it way before he charges the biju bomb
Izanaghi needs to be casted beforehand. Obito survived amaterasu using kamui.
It's also stated in the databooks.
Also, obito is not a rival or comparable to akatsuki itachi.
Itachi states to hebi sasuke that "Madara exists" and that madara is his sense. His whole fight with sasuke was Itachi prepping Sasuke as much as possible. Knowing that when sasuke had the EMS, Itachi's trap would trigger as it did. Unfortunately the master knows everything he teaches the student, but the student doesn't know everything the master does.
Hence obito stating that if itachi knew more about him, he'd be able to kill him.
Nevertheless, obito bodies any version of itachi. Not sure why itachi is at the obito level.
I think Minato would teleport Kabuto out of the cave somewhere else where he doesn’t have the advantage. Minato still beats sage kabuto especially if he’s also in sage mode. The larger question is whether he can undo the reanimation jutsu, no kill kabuto. Kabuto stated repeated that itachi could’ve killed him multiple times
"Itachi just loses to tailed beast bomb"
Did you not say you're using edo feats?...susanoo??
Minato 1 million percent bullies kabuto.
Minato still has half of the nine tales which will come out anytime he is in danger like Naruto. This will ensure his victory "most" of the time. Including against Kabuto which it will simply blow the whole cave up.
Contract seal won't work. It only removes control of the summon from the summoner, which won't stop edo tensei as they are autonomous. Same reason killing Kabuto won't work.
1st one makes no sense. He would easily just put the 9 tails in a genjutsu easily with Tsukuyomi. They told Fugaku that he could put the fox in a genjutsu but he said that they didn’t want him to. It’s literally supported by the story and there is an instance of genjutsu overriding the control of another by the Koto Amatsu Kami overriding Kabuto’s genjutsu. Sasuke and Itachi breaking each other out of Kabuto’s genjutsu is another instance. In the show the strongest genjutsu user wins, and Itachi is the strongest genjutsu user in the show with the 3rd strongest genjutsu.
Also his genjutsu is definitely superior to Madara’s?
Nagato can absorb Rasengan only if he sees it coming. I doubt he does with Minato. On top of it this is KCM Minato. He would shred Nagato apart.
Itachi could just genjustu Obito with a finger, like he did to Naruto. Use subtle genjustu so Obito doesn't believe he is in one. If Obito's timing is off enough, then Itachi can buy enough time to then use Susanoo, Amaterasu, or Tsukuyomi to deal with Obito.
I feel like if itachi used amaterasu on the 9 Tails like that it might hurt the village if the 9 Tails is thrashing around from it causing the village to burn as well and he would have to put it out
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I think itachi feats are just below minatos and he couldn't handle the people minato fought
That's solid facts nor could itachi have ever in a million years been in the same situations as Minato and been successful. I don't see any way that Minato comes even close to losing to Itachi. Going by feats its not even possible. Itachi is seriously outclassed here.
most of itachi's trump cards are single target focused such as amaterasu or various genjutsu, not to mention izanami. i think it's certainly possible for even sick itachi to izanami minato, or even koto amatsukami. itachi would win the fight before it even started. now without the hacks, itachi loses 9/10 no denying that, though an edo itachi would certainly at the very least prove to be troublesome for minato, it could go either way.
@@joseole1117 i dnt think u realize for a in character fight if minato touches itachi 1 time all it takes is 1 touch its over
@@hellishot5224 the child prodigy 12 year old ms user who slaughtered the entire uchiha stopped with one touch....somehow i don't think so.
speed is important but so is ability and utility.
@@joseole1117 if minato touches him he is tagged that means in any taijutsu altercation the fight is over
Im only half way through this vid but i really do hope i hear minato and obito in the massacre
Imma just say it
If itachi and minato did a fusion dance only sixpaths characters are stopping that fusion
Would Itachi not be able to control the Nine Taild with his mangekyou sharingan and superior genjutsu/hypnosis ability?
Minato should be able to teleport Kabuto out of the cave if he tags him and remove one of the handicaps. Minato doesn’t have an asspull Genjutsu but Sasuke can cast Tsukiyomi and I don’t understand how Minato wouldn’t be able teleport Kabuto right in-front of Sasuke if he manages to tag him. Minato could teleport him to the battlefield and have more people support him. The whole deal with Kabuto was that nobody knew where he was anyway. With Minato’s BIQ it’s nigh impossible for him to not pull a win and stop Kabuto but if the condition is to not kill Kabuto or Kabuto’s reform then he wouldn’t be able to clear on the same time as Itachi.
Can we get a Asura wrath vs Kratos
Maybe like a Kratos from both mythos like Olympus gods then the Norse gods
I have a big vid planned for that fret not
Older itachi washes yellow mask obito but at the time this itachi doesn’t have the MS so he loses
I think he is using older itachi, so yes itachi should win, remember in this scenario itachi is acting as the 4th hokage so yes he would have to be his strongest self while alive, that being Mangekyou sharingan and all
Yep plus theres an age difference between Minato & Itachi
I don't fault you for nerfing Minato a bit. It just wouldn't be fair.
As for minato and nagatos summons…. Couldnt he just use contract seals and teleport them away?
A typical itachi fan😅
Elaborate
22:34 eh i wouldnt say he's stuck using rasengan he does have Lightning Chakra Nature as well even though its not shown😂
The Minato and itachi comparisons need to stop they just aren't even narratively. Minato is shown facing off a ten tails level threat over Itachi facing a busted dragon sage threat. The power between the two is vast. Hence why 1 was shown before and after the other
I wanted to do Obito and Itachi, but I don't want to just talk about Uchiha, it's also for make sake as if I don't find the vid entertaining it won't come out well
@@ThunderGodTG I get where you're coming from most people think they're comparable because of what they represent for Naruto and Sasuke