Spiritbox is a great pick but Sleep Token, Knocked Loose and Slaughter To Prevail would have all been great picks too. I never forget that the 2009 Grammy’s had Judas Priest win for a live version of a song they put out in the late 70s over Mastodon who had put out their definitive album Crack The Skye.
2009 was also when Vektor released Black Future. So many great bands were releasing stuff in that period and yet they gave it to Judas Priest? No disrespect to them as they were the band that got me into metal but come on.
I feel like legacy bands can and should be up for nomination if they produce an album or song that is truly ground breaking or legitimately chart topping for an extended period of time. If they make something new that becomes a viral sensation or cultural phenomenon, that should count as a strong contribution to the genre or scene as a whole.
A bit dated, but Metallica's Death Magnetic was a mediocre album. I know it was supposed to be their return to form. That album had 6 Grammy nominations (remind me to look at the nominees for 2009 & 2010). But I really liked "The Day That Never Comes." That song also remained pretty popular on rock stations and would have been worthy of a nomination. To your point, I have no problem with legacy bands being nominated, if worthy. A legacy act can still catch lightening in a bottle for a song. But for whole albums of mediocre material to be nominated shows just how out of touch the industry is. What these nominations also say, is that there is nothing exciting being released that catches people's attention. You have to be pretty tuned in to rock and metal to even remotely have a pulse of what's going on.
Metallica's latest album is an absolute hunk of shit tho. They've made great music past their prime, but they've just released the most bland, unimaginative crap of all time. The album offers nothing, it's overly polished with horrendous song writing, bad riffs, bad drumming. It has nothing.
Why not? The last album or in general? Their failure to get in new artists shouldn't affect old bands. The songs should be the merits of who wins or not
@@Getout634 No, but do you want a world that is giving out "Pity-Awards" by excluding artists who previously have won and is old, to create "Equity" for the sake of just having "Equity" which will devalue the grammy's everyone is given? That is pretty much Liberal way of thinking and it has destroyed achievements by merits in Schools and work-places just to fill quota's, creating fairness out of creating unfairness... We don't exclude the fastest runner for a Race, just to make sure everyone else have a chance of winning. Or exclude Norway from being allowed in the Winter Olympics because Norway keep winning the majority of the Gold, Silver and Bronze, when reality is: True equality is to allow everyone to compete and allow merits to determine the winner. The grammy's is a joke anyway, it is all a gig to earn revenue on broadcasting, nothing more and that is why Metal is treated like a joke, because Metal-Heads don't support it like the Pop-Heads do.
I just want to see the vlog of an artist actually taking you up on simply hanging out at your house. Not an online interview or specific discussion but David Draiman just showing up with a 12 pack of something super basic like LaCroix and chilling for a while.
I think it comes down to the laziness of the committee of the grammys. For the most part when a older or legacy bands release new music it'll top charts. For example, Blink (in the US) and The Rolling Stones (in the UK) have both had number 1 albums in the past month. This doesn't tend to happen with upcoming bands when they break through. However, this does happen with the rap and pop industry, hence why you get artists such as Olivia Rodrigo nominated for an award. If a newer metal was enjoying the commercial success of an Olivia Rodrigo than I'm sure they'd be nominated. That's why artists like Franz Ferdinand were nominated in the early 2000's, because of their commercial success. However, the newer bands aren't going to become commercially successful if they're not backed by the industry through recognition from these award ceremonies. I also wonder how much of the nominating comes down to the record labels as newer rock and metal bands tend to be signed to independent labels. I don't know if that's the same for the pop/rap artists.
@SignedAndDelivered. That’s a very good point, but another good point is that the Grammy’s have NEVER been credible. Even when Grunge was at its height they were never nominated for anything, even when Nu-Metal was at its height, they were never nominated for anything. The committee for The Grammys are absolutely clueless, and always have been.
Rock nominees remind me of how my terrible job hands out employee of the month awards to a different person every month rather then the best as an attempt to boost morale. It’s been happening years now and they are getting to the low rung of staff. It’s hilarious seeing the lady barely hanging on by a thread with her pic up on the board with a caption like “for her hard work and great attitude!” when she looks like she’s ready to end it and calls out once a week lol
Finn, you should launch your own award show. It should be called "The Thing". When you hand out the trophy to the winner, you can say "Here's the thing!" Make sure that you have the category Best Brutal Technical Slamming Death Metal, so Morgan Wallen could win something.
it's a double edged sword because the point of awards like these are to honor "excellence in music" and for me personally, I'm somewhat okay with these nominees as I actually thought the new Foo Fighters, Metallica & Queens of the Stone Age albums were indeed excellent and I liked them a lot and I still think those bands are putting out some great stuff after all these years but yet I agree they have nothing to prove whereas bands like Måneskin, Movements, Creeper, Honey Revenge, Hot Milk and of course Sleep Token are fresh on the scene with new sounds and new things to say that would kill for accolades like this. I don't think it's fair to just disregard any band that is more than 10+ years into their career as irrelevant legacy bands because even tho Paramore & Blink-182 (even Blink is not nominated this year but most likely will be next year) are elders in their scene, their new albums were hugely successful there needs to be a balance of acknowledging and honoring truly good music that is also relevant and impactful to the wider music landscape as a whole whether it comes from an old band like The Rolling Stones or a new band like Spiritbox but that's just how I view this so go ahead and tell me how wrong I am
Finn talking about Disturbed having to pass the torch, can't wait till he sees The Rolling Stones, Metallica, and The Beatles all being nominated XD Also I'm hurt that Beartooth didn't get nominated, released potentially their best album with an awesome sound and message and ... nothing. Really happy to Spiritbox nominated, would have liked to have seen Knocked Loose, or Sleep Token as well, but Spiritbox feels like a pretty big W for the metal community.
Number one Finn I asked this totally seriously who is even still watching the Grammys. I'm 55 and I used to be a diehard American music awards Grammy MTV music awards I haven't watched any of those shows in literally like 20 years. I literally work with a lot of younger people some teenagers 20s 30s and I never hear them say one word about the Grammys ever.
The Grammys either nominate and vote for metal and rock bands that are either old and just big names that they have heard of at some point, or bands that don’t fit the genre. Imagine dragons winning best rock performance for a synthy pop song, or tenacious d winning beat metal performance, or Judas Priest winning for a re release of a 40 year old song shows those nominating and voting in these categories know absolutely nothing about what these genres even are and should bring in experts for each category.
Since everyone is talking about Spiritbox when Shinedown took them on tour they paid their way so they could do the tour. The lead singer thanked Brent for making the tour happen. They also took Jelly Roll on tour too. I would love for Shinedown to be nominated but it won't happen. Maybe if they relased their cover of Unchained Melody as a single but it was done under Smith and Myers the acoustic project.
Maybe not as popular hut in terms of best metal songs or albums ive heard this year that deserve a mention is tesseract war of being. That album blew me away, and is one that totally gives more of what old fans loved while also being a good starting point for new fans.
U2’s career actually got a pretty big second wind in the early 2000’s, so if you were going to nominate a legacy band in 2004, they were probably the one to nominate. Plus, Vertigo is a great song!
I’ve liked jellyroll for a few years now and he has several albums out, yet he just got the best new artist cma recently. First off, he has very few country songs, and has mostly rap/rock type songs, but is embraced by the country community which is weird.
I think what also might happen in some cases with these legacy bands winning is that they are kinda being recognized for their contribution to the genre far too long after the fact. Not necessarily by the fans, but by the industry and media. Like Motörhead winning over slipknot and whoever else in 2004. There is no way anybody thinks that Motörhead’s Whiplash was more important to metal over Slipknot’s Volume 3 that year. But it’s kinda like how Leonardo DiCaprio finally got his Oscar for his role in The Revenant. There was very much a feeling amongst the public that he had many roles before that that he should have won for but didn’t for whatever reason. It felt like, alright, we HAVE to give it to Leo this time around. Essentially making it a trophy recognizing his career as a legacy as opposed to the actual specific criteria. And I don’t think that that is how it should be either. But I think it may be that kind of thing at play. Motörhead is super essential to the genre as a whole so they’re finally giving them their flowers so to speak. If they would just recognize things for what they are in their time that wouldn’t happen, of course. But as we know…things that lacked credibility in their prime are later celebrated for their contributions. But yea. Lame either way.
That's what I thought too. Like when they gave Megadeth the Grammy back in 2017. I don't hate Dystopia, in fact I even like it, but there's no Megadeth fan alive that thinks that album is better than Rust in Peace for example. Probably should've gone to Gojira that year, even if I'm not their biggest fan.
Yea, for sure. It’s kind of nice in a way, I suppose. But definitely not how it should be. Put those that deserve recognition for their legacy and career as a whole in the rock n’ roll hall of fame. That’s a whole other topic in and of itself tho.
All this is just elitism and corruption. Rich old industry managers reward RICH old musicians they meet on weekend parties in Beverly Hills, not good or popular musicians. "managers", as in the "managerial revolution" (James Burnham) have no skills to recognize anything, or to understand anything. Plus, rewarding friends as if they were talented, is the typical corruption going on in all industries, not only in music. Who is the chief design engineer on airplane development projects and other stuff, not the most talented engineers, rather the old friends of old corrupt ahole mangers. Why is Lorna Shore not on the list? Not awarding Korn in 1994 (Blind) or 1996 (ADIDAS) is a massive failure of these organizations. So, challenge authority...
There was a time when The Grammys were remotely relevant??? All that comes to mind when anyone mentions them is that scene in the Simpsons where Homer gives the hotel bellboy a Grammy and he's really excited until he realises its a Grammy and casually throws it over the balcony 😂
Weirdly it also makes me think of the simpsons but when Elton john gives out grammys for little tasks and they take madonna home to america in a cat box for pretending to be english
Bands that should've been nominated: - Bring Me The Horizon - Falling In Reverse - Sleep Token - Knocked Loose - Slaughter To Prevail - August Burns Red - Fall Out Boy - Brand Of Sacrifice - Vein FM. - LORNA SHORE GOD DAMNIT
In the history of mainstream music awards it was those sweethearts up in Canada running the Juno awards that got it right and gave best metal album to Archspire. Fucking incredible.
@0:57 hell yeah garage gym my man! i'm a basement gym guys myself but i knew i had finally made something out of my life when i realized i had my own legit home gym!
I had to rewind like 10 times this 00:57, got mesmerized by the jumping package, I need a 10 hour long loop video of this, with a jbalvin song scoring this beautiful piece of art.
I'm rooting for Spiritbox, I just want the award to go to a band that's actually relevant. I'd be okay with Ghost winning if the song weren't a cover, that feels kind of cheap. Also, this is a side-note, but I think there should be a limit on how many awards you can get nominated for. Regardless of quality, I really don't think that Billie, Taylor, and Boygenius need the 7 awards that they were all nominated for, lmao. There was a lot of great music this year, and many more artists could get the recognition they deserve if they capped the nominations at 3 per artist, or something like that.
Polyphia "Ego Death" feat. Steve Vai woulda been the perfect Grammy nom! A new act with a legacy artist almost seems tailor made for RIAA recognition. They missed an easy layup IMHO. (edit: ok, yeah, it was released in '22 and it WAS ACTUALLY nom'd then, I thought it was a '23 release; my bad)
100% agree though I personally think Knocked Loose would be a great choice. "Deep in the Willow / Everything is Quiet Now" was a great release with a really engaging music video and beautiful artwork.
Great metal bands probobally dont even apply for grammy. Its ironic how people always srive for personality and exclusivity, yet want art to be celebrated by corrupt all commodifying corporate brands ( grammy, oscars etc)
I think awards are pretty meaningless in music. With movies and video games, they make a bit more sense because those forms of media requirement quite a bit of time investment. For example, if you are undecided about seeing a movie but you see it won an Oscar (even if you don't watch the Oscars) you might decide to check it out. Songs only take a couple of minutes to listen to, so you might as well just listen yourself since it's free and quick. Don't try to fix awards, just recognize they are kind of meaningless now a days.
I feel like the voters just nominate whatever it is their kids are listening to, and for these rock categories, they just go with whichever bands they recognize.
7:17 the same goes for actual politics. We need to replace the old farts asap. If we really want to pay respects to legacy artists, at least choose some who haven’t been in the spotlight that much. I think the latest album by Taproot is great example. I love both bands, but I’d rather see Taproot here, because Disturbed already got their slice of cake more than once.
Alternative doesn’t exist any more and I may even just claim that Demolisher were pretty good, live. We just all couldn’t tolerate what I now call the Breakdown Core phenomenon of 2009 bc I was lead replacement guitarist for the godamned Corialis Effect out of Aurora IL. We are the true legends of IL Deathcore (or death metal) in Kane County all the way up to Dundee. Now whatever happened to Terror Over Corpus Christi ?
exactly, i'm subscribed to all the artists, that i like and i hear all the new stuff comming out. there were more than 50 s-tier songs this year in my opinion, more than ever. and of all the sogs they chose... rescued is preety good tho, but others i feel like they just randomly choose between the most famous legacy artists regardless if it's good or not.
2:34 I don’t like Sleep Token at all but given their buzz in the scene they should have been nominated. Knocked Loose should have been there as well, probably the best heavy song of the year.
I agree with you 100% but let’s not forget when you give younger people a option to pick out a good band/album they pull a AP awards things and just give it to the cute bands like they did with BVB
The amount someone likes Take Me Out directly correlates with the amount of time they can spend in the mall at one time. In regards to criteria for rock and metal nominations, if there is a release from a legacy band like megadeth, metallica, iron maiden, etc, its getting nominated. Bands like Ghost are grammy bait and I'm kind of surprised King Gizzard weren't nominated instead. Paramore should sweep all of their nominations, yes they have been around 20 years, but on this new release they refreshed their sound and put out handily the best rock album this year. Who doesnt love a comeback? Shocked Sleep Token got nothing, I thought they would be nominated for eberything.
All awards shows degrade to this point. Even, or perhaps especially, The Game Awards has become a turd sandwich. It's merely a circle jerk for the industry execs.
I think the "commercially viable" comment is exactly right. The difference between rock/metal/alternative vs. pop/rap is that to know what is actually moving the needle, you have to have your ear fairly low to the ground. Spiritbox and Falling in Reverse both opened for Papa Roach on tour this year. Sleep Token is going to be opening for Bring Me the Horizon soon (BMTH is about 5 years away from their own Grammy)
Shinedown actually took Spiritbox on tour with them and paid there way they thanked them on a interview with both bands. The show was Shinedown Papa Roach and Spirit box.
For years i have thought the grammys don't matter anymore but, the fact that so many people are still talking about them kinda prove otherwise. Even if i can't stand 100 Gecs for example, they're a new innovative band without a doubt and lot of folks seem to like them so who am i to say they don't deserve it, just because of my personal taste. I would absolutely rather see them nominated than bands as old as Metallica.
The last time the Grammys got one of these awards right was when Tull won Best Hard Rock Performance. Crest of a Knave was a damn good hard rock album. Nowadays though, eh, I can take it or leave it. At least the stuff being called rock is more aligned with the genre than what passes for country nowadays.
It sucks because you saw Knocked Loose, Jesus Piece and other newer, fresher bands up for consideration but the nominees break down to what you would expect.
haven't seen the numbers but even if Disturbed and Slipknot are way past their prime, i wouldn't be surprised if they sold more and were considered more relevant than today's new acts in metal. that said, you would have to measure new-bloodiness, which is a much more abstract criteria. also i think this is pure lobbying in favor of legacy acts with bigger teams
I agree with you we need to get new blood in there. Like stop nominating legacy acts that are past there prime. But that Foo Fighters nomination is earned because regardless of how long they been a band. Foo Fighters are still in there prime and just made imo there best album of all time (or second best behind sonic highways). So that nomination is because the song is brilliant and incredible.
@benburroughs8512 maybe, just maybe your just salty that your favorite yarling caveman band #357 didn't get nominated. You do know the grammies is mostly about popularity and you just have to come to terms that your favorite bands isn't that popular. 😂
It’s a shame that Black Pumas is getting what appears to be shade here for being in the Rock category. That band was formed in 2017 and is a newer band. But I guess because it’s psychedelic soft rock folks want it to be excluded. I just think they need to expand the rock categories. Trying to shove an entire genre that has a wide birth of sub-genres into three categories has always been dumb. But make no mistake Rock or Alternative should not mean the loudest, heaviest, or most energetic bands which is what I see the internet doing now. There’s much more to rock than that.
I agree to a point. To use your salesman example, if that same salesman from 2003 is still making killer sales in 2023, then he deserves the award. I'll use A7X as a real example. Maybe they've been around for over 20+ years, but they went outside genre to create a killer album. I think they got snubbed because it doesn't fit an exact definition of rock/metal. But what they did musically and lyrically is amazing. Nominating new artists that are good at doing the same old thing also isn't good.
Back in 2004 rock was actually relevant in the mainstream. It was way easier to find nominees from so many great bands. Nowadays rock isn’t relevant at all so all the old people in the academy just keep picking the old bands. The Grammys are a popularity contest and rock isn’t even a part of popular music anymore. If there are no current popular rock bands to choose from they’ll just keep picking old stuff because “at least that’s popular”. I wish they would do a little research and award the artists that actually make the best music but it’s never been about that to begin with.
Jelly Roll deserves to be nominated in the rock category for "Need a Favor". He's an incredbily charismatic guy who seems to be very serious about the fact he turned his life around (he was arrested for armed robbery as a 15 year old). I love the guy and am a big fan of his music. The Grammys needs to leave behind the whole "we're only going to nominate legacy artists in rock music" thing and start embracing some of the new talented artists like him.
The newer acts are so irrelevant that the voters have probably never heard of them and don't listen to their music. Which is an indictment on the voters, but it's the reality.
Im no fan of spiritbox (except holy roller) but they're the only ones that deserve to be there. Metallica is my fav band ever but no way they should be nominated rn 🙄
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There needs to be a best warehouse video category 😤
Best beard of a dude who"s djenting in coloured room?
Best fire blaster
... also a best video shot outdoors with b-roll of a girl sitting still in a chair.
What about putting a coloured room on a grassy field?
and grass field video, best powerful sun grab video as well
Spiritbox is a great pick but Sleep Token, Knocked Loose and Slaughter To Prevail would have all been great picks too.
I never forget that the 2009 Grammy’s had Judas Priest win for a live version of a song they put out in the late 70s over Mastodon who had put out their definitive album Crack The Skye.
Really wow
I saw that Judas Priest nomination on Wikipedia a week or so ago, I couldn't believe it
Crack the sky my favourite album form them! Should have won
I'll take a milli vanilla vote over mastadon🤪
2009 was also when Vektor released Black Future. So many great bands were releasing stuff in that period and yet they gave it to Judas Priest? No disrespect to them as they were the band that got me into metal but come on.
I feel like legacy bands can and should be up for nomination if they produce an album or song that is truly ground breaking or legitimately chart topping for an extended period of time. If they make something new that becomes a viral sensation or cultural phenomenon, that should count as a strong contribution to the genre or scene as a whole.
A bit dated, but Metallica's Death Magnetic was a mediocre album. I know it was supposed to be their return to form. That album had 6 Grammy nominations (remind me to look at the nominees for 2009 & 2010). But I really liked "The Day That Never Comes." That song also remained pretty popular on rock stations and would have been worthy of a nomination. To your point, I have no problem with legacy bands being nominated, if worthy. A legacy act can still catch lightening in a bottle for a song. But for whole albums of mediocre material to be nominated shows just how out of touch the industry is. What these nominations also say, is that there is nothing exciting being released that catches people's attention. You have to be pretty tuned in to rock and metal to even remotely have a pulse of what's going on.
He’s so caught up on the artist’s age that he’s not even considering the quality of the music.
Metallica's latest album is an absolute hunk of shit tho. They've made great music past their prime, but they've just released the most bland, unimaginative crap of all time. The album offers nothing, it's overly polished with horrendous song writing, bad riffs, bad drumming. It has nothing.
@@Matfridt Most Metallica's albums are hunks of shit. Why is this news to people?
@@WuwuWuwuTV I don't agree that most are, but they truly have released HEAPS of trash
I'm a Metallica fanboy and even I think they shouldn't be considered
Why not? The last album or in general? Their failure to get in new artists shouldn't affect old bands. The songs should be the merits of who wins or not
@@birdsteak9267I don’t think not getting a Grammy is necessarily affecting old bands lol.
@@Getout634 No, but do you want a world that is giving out "Pity-Awards" by excluding artists who previously have won and is old, to create "Equity" for the sake of just having "Equity" which will devalue the grammy's everyone is given? That is pretty much Liberal way of thinking and it has destroyed achievements by merits in Schools and work-places just to fill quota's, creating fairness out of creating unfairness... We don't exclude the fastest runner for a Race, just to make sure everyone else have a chance of winning. Or exclude Norway from being allowed in the Winter Olympics because Norway keep winning the majority of the Gold, Silver and Bronze, when reality is: True equality is to allow everyone to compete and allow merits to determine the winner. The grammy's is a joke anyway, it is all a gig to earn revenue on broadcasting, nothing more and that is why Metal is treated like a joke, because Metal-Heads don't support it like the Pop-Heads do.
I just want to see the vlog of an artist actually taking you up on simply hanging out at your house. Not an online interview or specific discussion but David Draiman just showing up with a 12 pack of something super basic like LaCroix and chilling for a while.
Best Music Video ✅
Very understandable ✅
Very epic music ✅
No bad words ✅
No inappropriate images ✅
pure uncut rock ✅
@@robiu013pure uncut co… OOHHH, rock. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
"no bad words" and "no inappropriate images"
why is that necessarly a good thing?
I think it comes down to the laziness of the committee of the grammys.
For the most part when a older or legacy bands release new music it'll top charts. For example, Blink (in the US) and The Rolling Stones (in the UK) have both had number 1 albums in the past month. This doesn't tend to happen with upcoming bands when they break through. However, this does happen with the rap and pop industry, hence why you get artists such as Olivia Rodrigo nominated for an award. If a newer metal was enjoying the commercial success of an Olivia Rodrigo than I'm sure they'd be nominated. That's why artists like Franz Ferdinand were nominated in the early 2000's, because of their commercial success. However, the newer bands aren't going to become commercially successful if they're not backed by the industry through recognition from these award ceremonies.
I also wonder how much of the nominating comes down to the record labels as newer rock and metal bands tend to be signed to independent labels. I don't know if that's the same for the pop/rap artists.
@SignedAndDelivered. That’s a very good point, but another good point is that the Grammy’s have NEVER been credible. Even when Grunge was at its height they were never nominated for anything, even when Nu-Metal was at its height, they were never nominated for anything.
The committee for The Grammys are absolutely clueless, and always have been.
Rock nominees remind me of how my terrible job hands out employee of the month awards to a different person every month rather then the best as an attempt to boost morale. It’s been happening years now and they are getting to the low rung of staff. It’s hilarious seeing the lady barely hanging on by a thread with her pic up on the board with a caption like “for her hard work and great attitude!” when she looks like she’s ready to end it and calls out once a week lol
If Ghost wins off of an Iron Maiden Cover, I'll be so pissed off.
Why lol
@@Getout634 because Iron Maiden deserves it over Ghost. It is their song.
A Bluetooth jumprope? Some days I feel very old.
0:57 regular jumprope routine before a hardcore show crowdkilling
Finn, you should launch your own award show. It should be called "The Thing". When you hand out the trophy to the winner, you can say "Here's the thing!"
Make sure that you have the category Best Brutal Technical Slamming Death Metal, so Morgan Wallen could win something.
Everyone knows he's not Brutal Technical Slamming Death Metal, in fact he's Technical Brutal Slamming Death Metal.
Come on, don’t steal Nik Nocturnal’s thunder, even if he does ignore most non-core metal
I'd watch this with gusto, vim, and vigor.
hell yeah! Punkrock academy awards
it's a double edged sword because the point of awards like these are to honor "excellence in music" and for me personally, I'm somewhat okay with these nominees as I actually thought the new Foo Fighters, Metallica & Queens of the Stone Age albums were indeed excellent and I liked them a lot and I still think those bands are putting out some great stuff after all these years but yet I agree they have nothing to prove whereas bands like Måneskin, Movements, Creeper, Honey Revenge, Hot Milk and of course Sleep Token are fresh on the scene with new sounds and new things to say that would kill for accolades like this.
I don't think it's fair to just disregard any band that is more than 10+ years into their career as irrelevant legacy bands because even tho Paramore & Blink-182 (even Blink is not nominated this year but most likely will be next year) are elders in their scene, their new albums were hugely successful
there needs to be a balance of acknowledging and honoring truly good music that is also relevant and impactful to the wider music landscape as a whole whether it comes from an old band like The Rolling Stones or a new band like Spiritbox
but that's just how I view this so go ahead and tell me how wrong I am
Well said!
Yes, but when Slipknot and Disturbed are getting obviously undeserved Grammys over Sleep Token or Bad Omens, something’s got to change.
I like Måneskin
Rock and Metal isn't near dead... it's alive better than Ever but the grammeys will never understand the real deals...
Rule #1 of rock Grammy awards: LEGACY BANDS
I hate the Grammys.
Finn talking about Disturbed having to pass the torch, can't wait till he sees The Rolling Stones, Metallica, and The Beatles all being nominated XD Also I'm hurt that Beartooth didn't get nominated, released potentially their best album with an awesome sound and message and ... nothing. Really happy to Spiritbox nominated, would have liked to have seen Knocked Loose, or Sleep Token as well, but Spiritbox feels like a pretty big W for the metal community.
Number one Finn I asked this totally seriously who is even still watching the Grammys. I'm 55 and I used to be a diehard American music awards Grammy MTV music awards I haven't watched any of those shows in literally like 20 years. I literally work with a lot of younger people some teenagers 20s 30s and I never hear them say one word about the Grammys ever.
It took me a long time to notice that Finn's left eyebrow never goes down whenever he's pitching a sponsor 😂
The Grammys either nominate and vote for metal and rock bands that are either old and just big names that they have heard of at some point, or bands that don’t fit the genre. Imagine dragons winning best rock performance for a synthy pop song, or tenacious d winning beat metal performance, or Judas Priest winning for a re release of a 40 year old song shows those nominating and voting in these categories know absolutely nothing about what these genres even are and should bring in experts for each category.
Since everyone is talking about Spiritbox when Shinedown took them on tour they paid their way so they could do the tour. The lead singer thanked Brent for making the tour happen. They also took Jelly Roll on tour too. I would love for Shinedown to be nominated but it won't happen. Maybe if they relased their cover of Unchained Melody as a single but it was done under Smith and Myers the acoustic project.
Seeing spiritbox getting nominated made me so excited, bummed they didn't win but at least a newer band got a nomination
Maybe not as popular hut in terms of best metal songs or albums ive heard this year that deserve a mention is tesseract war of being. That album blew me away, and is one that totally gives more of what old fans loved while also being a good starting point for new fans.
U2’s career actually got a pretty big second wind in the early 2000’s, so if you were going to nominate a legacy band in 2004, they were probably the one to nominate. Plus, Vertigo is a great song!
I’ve liked jellyroll for a few years now and he has several albums out, yet he just got the best new artist cma recently.
First off, he has very few country songs, and has mostly rap/rock type songs, but is embraced by the country community which is weird.
Jelly Roll is great. Finn, how about a video about him? Or Hardy?
Now hardy! That's what I'm talking about !
He goes hard into the rock
Everyone loves a comeback story, it's kind of outlaw country esque
@@HOOONIER And he's also done features with Beartooth and Bilmuri.
I think what also might happen in some cases with these legacy bands winning is that they are kinda being recognized for their contribution to the genre far too long after the fact. Not necessarily by the fans, but by the industry and media. Like Motörhead winning over slipknot and whoever else in 2004. There is no way anybody thinks that Motörhead’s Whiplash was more important to metal over Slipknot’s Volume 3 that year. But it’s kinda like how Leonardo DiCaprio finally got his Oscar for his role in The Revenant. There was very much a feeling amongst the public that he had many roles before that that he should have won for but didn’t for whatever reason. It felt like, alright, we HAVE to give it to Leo this time around. Essentially making it a trophy recognizing his career as a legacy as opposed to the actual specific criteria. And I don’t think that that is how it should be either. But I think it may be that kind of thing at play. Motörhead is super essential to the genre as a whole so they’re finally giving them their flowers so to speak. If they would just recognize things for what they are in their time that wouldn’t happen, of course. But as we know…things that lacked credibility in their prime are later celebrated for their contributions. But yea. Lame either way.
I agree with you, I feel like there's a lot of grammy "because we forgot to give it earlier" like the Megadeth One
That's what I thought too. Like when they gave Megadeth the Grammy back in 2017. I don't hate Dystopia, in fact I even like it, but there's no Megadeth fan alive that thinks that album is better than Rust in Peace for example. Probably should've gone to Gojira that year, even if I'm not their biggest fan.
Yea, for sure. It’s kind of nice in a way, I suppose. But definitely not how it should be. Put those that deserve recognition for their legacy and career as a whole in the rock n’ roll hall of fame. That’s a whole other topic in and of itself tho.
All this is just elitism and corruption. Rich old industry managers reward RICH old musicians they meet on weekend parties in Beverly Hills, not good or popular musicians. "managers", as in the "managerial revolution" (James Burnham) have no skills to recognize anything, or to understand anything. Plus, rewarding friends as if they were talented, is the typical corruption going on in all industries, not only in music. Who is the chief design engineer on airplane development projects and other stuff, not the most talented engineers, rather the old friends of old corrupt ahole mangers.
Why is Lorna Shore not on the list? Not awarding Korn in 1994 (Blind) or 1996 (ADIDAS) is a massive failure of these organizations.
So, challenge authority...
2:28 I have a screenshot of David’s Bumble account that a friend sent me😂. Guess he was looking while in Vancouver
There was a time when The Grammys were remotely relevant???
All that comes to mind when anyone mentions them is that scene in the Simpsons where Homer gives the hotel bellboy a Grammy and he's really excited until he realises its a Grammy and casually throws it over the balcony 😂
Weirdly it also makes me think of the simpsons but when Elton john gives out grammys for little tasks and they take madonna home to america in a cat box for pretending to be english
Watch the world burn should definitely have been nominated
Bands that should've been nominated:
- Bring Me The Horizon
- Falling In Reverse
- Sleep Token
- Knocked Loose
- Slaughter To Prevail
- August Burns Red
- Fall Out Boy
- Brand Of Sacrifice
- Vein FM.
- LORNA SHORE GOD DAMNIT
In the history of mainstream music awards it was those sweethearts up in Canada running the Juno awards that got it right and gave best metal album to Archspire. Fucking incredible.
I’m more into metal / hardcore these days but Slither - Velvet Revolver is still a bop 👊🏻
The fact Paramore didn't get more love for their album is a crime.
@0:57 hell yeah garage gym my man! i'm a basement gym guys myself but i knew i had finally made something out of my life when i realized i had my own legit home gym!
I had to rewind like 10 times this 00:57, got mesmerized by the jumping package, I need a 10 hour long loop video of this, with a jbalvin song scoring this beautiful piece of art.
I'm offended that a couple people in the chat said "spiritbox is mid" and "i never heard of spiritbox "
NEWS! David Draiman challenge Finn Mckenty to another weed smoke-off
I'm rooting for Spiritbox, I just want the award to go to a band that's actually relevant. I'd be okay with Ghost winning if the song weren't a cover, that feels kind of cheap.
Also, this is a side-note, but I think there should be a limit on how many awards you can get nominated for. Regardless of quality, I really don't think that Billie, Taylor, and Boygenius need the 7 awards that they were all nominated for, lmao. There was a lot of great music this year, and many more artists could get the recognition they deserve if they capped the nominations at 3 per artist, or something like that.
3 per artist, per year* I should clarify
Polyphia "Ego Death" feat. Steve Vai woulda been the perfect Grammy nom! A new act with a legacy artist almost seems tailor made for RIAA recognition. They missed an easy layup IMHO. (edit: ok, yeah, it was released in '22 and it WAS ACTUALLY nom'd then, I thought it was a '23 release; my bad)
And in other news..........Water is wet. back to you, Finn.
100% agree though I personally think Knocked Loose would be a great choice. "Deep in the Willow / Everything is Quiet Now" was a great release with a really engaging music video and beautiful artwork.
Feel like Watch the World Burn should’ve been nominated for best metal performance…
No doubt. Falling in Reverse has been killing it the last several years
That Disturbed track is about Vladimir Putin
No wonder it got nominated then. The Grammys are just a far left political award show now, similar to the Oscar’s and VMAs
So because a band had their prime 20 years ago that means they cant be nominated for their new music? I think that's a bit silly
Great metal bands probobally dont even apply for grammy. Its ironic how people always srive for personality and exclusivity, yet want art to be celebrated by corrupt all commodifying corporate brands ( grammy, oscars etc)
I think awards are pretty meaningless in music. With movies and video games, they make a bit more sense because those forms of media requirement quite a bit of time investment. For example, if you are undecided about seeing a movie but you see it won an Oscar (even if you don't watch the Oscars) you might decide to check it out. Songs only take a couple of minutes to listen to, so you might as well just listen yourself since it's free and quick.
Don't try to fix awards, just recognize they are kind of meaningless now a days.
I feel like the voters just nominate whatever it is their kids are listening to, and for these rock categories, they just go with whichever bands they recognize.
still waiting for finn to get sponsored by shake weight, i would love that ad. have a nice weekend by the way!!!!
15:36 Finn missed a “HERE’S THE THING”. What has this world come to? The entire infrastructure of the planet has gone haywire.
Lol remember when Jethro Tull won against Metallica? Jethro Tull were Heavy Metal for about 5 seconds, 20yrs prior.
7:17 the same goes for actual politics. We need to replace the old farts asap.
If we really want to pay respects to legacy artists, at least choose some who haven’t been in the spotlight that much. I think the latest album by Taproot is great example. I love both bands, but I’d rather see Taproot here, because Disturbed already got their slice of cake more than once.
Screw the Grammys.
For the people crying about Bad Omens not getting nominated, please tell me one song they released the past year....
Well, then they should’ve been nominated the previous year
Bad Omens definitely got snubbed! They should have been nominated a log with Spiritbox .
The Grammys have been trash and meaningless for about 3 decades now!
please come to spokane wa!!!
2:36 LOL WHY DID THINK HE WAS GONNA SAY THEY WERE GONNA KISS
*sponsorship $200 for a jump rope? Ok bro.
Blud makes the same video every year 💀
the end of heartache is currently used by AEW wrestler Roderick Strong as his entrance theme
That sweater looks comfy Finn
I definitely thought of Finn when I saw the noms... "Oh cool a bunch of butt rock bands"
Where's my gold watch, FInn? 🤣🤣🤣
Has it been a year already?😢
The fact BMTH hasn’t won a Grammy is a crime
You missed a "Here's the thing" edit toward the end there. You're slipping, old man.
Parkway drive won the Aussie version this week ARIAS beating Polaris and a bunch of others
Alternative doesn’t exist any more and I may even just claim that Demolisher were pretty good, live. We just all couldn’t tolerate what I now call the Breakdown Core phenomenon of 2009 bc I was lead replacement guitarist for the godamned Corialis Effect out of Aurora IL. We are the true legends of IL Deathcore (or death metal) in Kane County all the way up to Dundee. Now whatever happened to Terror Over Corpus Christi ?
exactly, i'm subscribed to all the artists, that i like and i hear all the new stuff comming out. there were more than 50 s-tier songs this year in my opinion, more than ever. and of all the sogs they chose... rescued is preety good tho, but others i feel like they just randomly choose between the most famous legacy artists regardless if it's good or not.
The Grammy Awards have never been relevant and nobody in their right mind would ever pay $10 a month to skip rope.
2:34 I don’t like Sleep Token at all but given their buzz in the scene they should have been nominated. Knocked Loose should have been there as well, probably the best heavy song of the year.
I am going to make a GIF of you jump roping. Thanks Finn!
Did you upload a video the other day that you took down/got taken down?
Nope
Spiritbox, Slaughter, Knocked Loose. Literally the big 3 right now
I agree with you 100% but let’s not forget when you give younger people a option to pick out a good band/album they pull a AP awards things and just give it to the cute bands like they did with BVB
Wow the fact that Finn doesn't realize the Ghost song is an Iron Maiden cover is a bit cringe! 🤦♂😂
I don’t listen to dinosaur metal!
Which makes it being nominated even sadder
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA It's a classic song but yeah cover songs shouldn't be nominated in my opinion.
@@FatLarry493 I agree. It's a great cover but covers shouldn't be nominated.
@@tobiasblackmoar Hey if loving Iron Maiden is cringe, I'm proud to be cringe. 😁
The amount someone likes Take Me Out directly correlates with the amount of time they can spend in the mall at one time.
In regards to criteria for rock and metal nominations, if there is a release from a legacy band like megadeth, metallica, iron maiden, etc, its getting nominated.
Bands like Ghost are grammy bait and I'm kind of surprised King Gizzard weren't nominated instead.
Paramore should sweep all of their nominations, yes they have been around 20 years, but on this new release they refreshed their sound and put out handily the best rock album this year. Who doesnt love a comeback?
Shocked Sleep Token got nothing, I thought they would be nominated for eberything.
All awards shows degrade to this point. Even, or perhaps especially, The Game Awards has become a turd sandwich. It's merely a circle jerk for the industry execs.
I think the "commercially viable" comment is exactly right. The difference between rock/metal/alternative vs. pop/rap is that to know what is actually moving the needle, you have to have your ear fairly low to the ground. Spiritbox and Falling in Reverse both opened for Papa Roach on tour this year. Sleep Token is going to be opening for Bring Me the Horizon soon (BMTH is about 5 years away from their own Grammy)
Shinedown actually took Spiritbox on tour with them and paid there way they thanked them on a interview with both bands. The show was Shinedown Papa Roach and Spirit box.
@@maryhelenbuchele7342 oh yeah I forgot about shinedown. That's even more wild, spiritbox was third on the bill
For years i have thought the grammys don't matter anymore but, the fact that so many people are still talking about them kinda prove otherwise. Even if i can't stand 100 Gecs for example, they're a new innovative band without a doubt and lot of folks seem to like them so who am i to say they don't deserve it, just because of my personal taste. I would absolutely rather see them nominated than bands as old as Metallica.
bro! that costco fake vitamin water looks delicious lol
You should look into the Juno Awards. They are the Canadain Grammies. I believe Archspire beat out spiritbox last year.
The last time the Grammys got one of these awards right was when Tull won Best Hard Rock Performance. Crest of a Knave was a damn good hard rock album. Nowadays though, eh, I can take it or leave it. At least the stuff being called rock is more aligned with the genre than what passes for country nowadays.
It sucks because you saw Knocked Loose, Jesus Piece and other newer, fresher bands up for consideration but the nominees break down to what you would expect.
haven't seen the numbers but even if Disturbed and Slipknot are way past their prime, i wouldn't be surprised if they sold more and were considered more relevant than today's new acts in metal. that said, you would have to measure new-bloodiness, which is a much more abstract criteria. also i think this is pure lobbying in favor of legacy acts with bigger teams
I agree with you we need to get new blood in there. Like stop nominating legacy acts that are past there prime. But that Foo Fighters nomination is earned because regardless of how long they been a band. Foo Fighters are still in there prime and just made imo there best album of all time (or second best behind sonic highways). So that nomination is because the song is brilliant and incredible.
Paramore definitely deserves to be nominated, and in my opinion they definitely deserve to win.
No 🤣 maybe in 2009
@benburroughs8512 maybe, just maybe your just salty that your favorite yarling caveman band #357 didn't get nominated. You do know the grammies is mostly about popularity and you just have to come to terms that your favorite bands isn't that popular. 😂
We need a review/ tier list of the pop goes punk albums Finn! 😊😅
It’s a shame that Black Pumas is getting what appears to be shade here for being in the Rock category. That band was formed in 2017 and is a newer band. But I guess because it’s psychedelic soft rock folks want it to be excluded. I just think they need to expand the rock categories. Trying to shove an entire genre that has a wide birth of sub-genres into three categories has always been dumb. But make no mistake Rock or Alternative should not mean the loudest, heaviest, or most energetic bands which is what I see the internet doing now. There’s much more to rock than that.
"But Here We Are" was an amazing album and deserves the nomination
I can't beleive Foo Fighters is only 30 years old. He looks older than that, you know with the graying beard
I agree to a point. To use your salesman example, if that same salesman from 2003 is still making killer sales in 2023, then he deserves the award.
I'll use A7X as a real example. Maybe they've been around for over 20+ years, but they went outside genre to create a killer album. I think they got snubbed because it doesn't fit an exact definition of rock/metal. But what they did musically and lyrically is amazing.
Nominating new artists that are good at doing the same old thing also isn't good.
Back in 2004 rock was actually relevant in the mainstream. It was way easier to find nominees from so many great bands. Nowadays rock isn’t relevant at all so all the old people in the academy just keep picking the old bands. The Grammys are a popularity contest and rock isn’t even a part of popular music anymore. If there are no current popular rock bands to choose from they’ll just keep picking old stuff because “at least that’s popular”. I wish they would do a little research and award the artists that actually make the best music but it’s never been about that to begin with.
Jelly Roll deserves to be nominated in the rock category for "Need a Favor". He's an incredbily charismatic guy who seems to be very serious about the fact he turned his life around (he was arrested for armed robbery as a 15 year old). I love the guy and am a big fan of his music. The Grammys needs to leave behind the whole "we're only going to nominate legacy artists in rock music" thing and start embracing some of the new talented artists like him.
The newer acts are so irrelevant that the voters have probably never heard of them and don't listen to their music. Which is an indictment on the voters, but it's the reality.
@@deepvoicedude4749 Jelly Roll is also on a Nashville label, so he gets somewhat pigeonholed as country.
The Plot In You had the best video this year.
Well, if we think about what a grammy is it's only fair they always get the old ass bands 🧓🏼
Im no fan of spiritbox (except holy roller) but they're the only ones that deserve to be there. Metallica is my fav band ever but no way they should be nominated rn 🙄
Once again, even far back as the 90’s far before what is now what can be considered as the future of metal… Atari, teenage riot.
Are they compensating for the other award shows, where winners all seem to be selected by 13 year old girls?