Apple's "Pro" Problem
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Apple recently announced their new iPhone lineup and the devices are ruffling some feathers, but not for the reasons you might think. The issue many people have is with the device’s names. Which are iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro, and iPhone 11 Pro Max. So, why are people upset about this naming scheme? Well, they believe there’s no reason to call the iPhone a “pro” product. And that by doing so, Apple is watering down the word pro since the iPhone is clearly a consumer-level product. But I take issue with this argument, and in this video I’m going to explain exactly why.
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You missed the opportunity to call it:
Apple’s “Pro”blem
Jeremy Seel :3 this comment should have thousands of likes.
I was thinking the exact same thing
Made my day.
lol
E J that’s soon going to happen
What if "Go Pro" releases a "Go Pro Pro" ?!🤔
@@arthurmetztli9953 go pro go pro is (go pro)^2 so go pro^2 is fine
I agree with darkon. The power only applies to the “pro”.
Go Pro Pro Max
r/hmmmm
Wait, they call it a GoPro because they want you to “go pro”
I agree with you on virtually everything in this video, Greg... _With one exception._
I don't believe that Apple's use of the "Air" suffix is used as a way of saying "this is the cheaper one" it is used to communicate "this is lighter and more portable".
Exactly....I was wondering wtf he was saying😂
I know right? The iPad Air is the second most expensive product out of a lineup of four iPads.
I used to think the "Air" suffix was to suggest that the device was especially easy to transport on an airplane...
The problem with the name "Air" is that literally all their macbooks are thin and light enough to be called "air". The MacBook Air is heavier and thicker than the 12 inch macbook, making the name "Air" useless and redundant. Even the MacBook Pro is thin and light enough to be called the MacBook Air.
That was once the case, but not any more.
What do you mean there wasn’t a iPod Pro, I want to listen to my music professionally
nice one...lol
@Josie Boice Hey we have similar profile pics
Honestly, this could be a thing though. HD Audio isn't supported (as far as I know) on iPhone, so an iPod Pro could serve as a dedicated device for this, similar to how Sony is selling devices meant just for it. Although, that'd be an incredibly hard thing to market
i mean, wouldn't the ipod touch be an ipod pro?
Audio engineers actually have to listen to music “professionally”. They need audio players that can play FLAC files, (lossless compression audio format) and have whole bunch of built in audio hardware that iPods never had (high quality DAQ, different size headphone jacks, etc). Look up the “FiiO M15” music player. That is a “pro” audio listening device.
MacBook Pro
Mac Pro
iMac Pro
iPad Pro
iPhone 11 Pro
AirPods Pro
Everythingapplepro
Lockheed Martin ----- Exactly, since 2006 they've been using the Pro name in their products. Why would anyone care at this point.
I'm still waiting for the HomePod Pro!
@@Racko.. i don't think apple will make a new HomPod because the first version faild compare to Google home or Amazon echo
@@SingersPro I Agree but it was just a joke lmao
airpods pro , apple watch pro , apple tv pro ,homepod , ipod pro and 🍏card pro
I’ve seen 5 year old kids with the 11 Pro
And no it wasn’t her Parent’s phone because they all had their own
Cool story bro.
But its true! There’s a bunch of little kids getting “surprised” with an iPhone 11 pro on yt
Rich parents
Haha because they were crying and they got it
perkins kurt How retarded do you think we are?
10 minutes?? Let me summarize. People didn't bother to still look poor after spending 700$ on a so-called budget phone, so they made the budget model like it is the main one now and upgraded the name of the old line, to make it seem rational getting more expensive later. As simple as that.
Make a summary of the whole video, not just the end of it!
@@celerytowers84 That was the whole point of the video. The 2018 iphone lineup was also extremely cluttered, iPhone XR, iPhone Xs, iPhone Xs Max etc. I still don't like the "Pro" suffix for an almost entirely consumer product, however Ali is 100% correct that they added the Pro moniker to the successor of what started out as the original iPhone product and kept the to calling cheap budget phone as just the basic "iPhone" to not devalue the brand, but to also indicate that the Pro model is the superior product. As a consumer it seems silly to me to call a product that 99% of buyers will use to take pictures of their cat with and scroll social media a Pro device, yeah I get it it's got the best hardware and COULD be used for actual video editing and such, but it is and always fundamentally will be a consumer grade product. As much as I don't like the naming nomenclature I 100% thinks its a brilliant way to market it and it probably convinces some extra goof balls to buy the "pro" model because they believe if their instagram photo of their starbucks latte has higher image fidelity then they might get hired by BuzzFeed or get a call back from the modeling agency.
People get mad at basically anything
Especially when it comes to apple.
Darshan P $999 for a stand, i think you are the dumb person 🤦🏻♂️
@@malserakker9131 i think your the dumb one here
Jordan Why me?
@@malserakker9131 for God sake. That was a sarcasm, you might be really stupid for not understanding it
Oumar Traore yes? Did he tell you that or something? 🤷🏻♂️😂
I really wanna see why Apple killed 3D Touch... everything is so slower with Haptic Touch
Ghostrel jerryrigeverything and MKBHD said for battery
Darshan P No, stop hating and saying that it's just because they're greedy. I don't mean to sound like a fanboy, and i have an iphone 7, which has 3d touch and I have it, but apple decided to give more priority to the thinness of the phone and to improve battery life, which i guess worked, since mr who's the boss showed that it is the flagship with the longest battery life rn
Tiberio Cellini exactly
Tiberio Cellini that is is argument I hate almost everyone in the real world have a case on the phone which increase the thickness so what’s the point of having super thin devices if u add a case instead if they add a bigger battery people will rather have that than some super thin phone where the camera sticks out
@@tiberiocellini3641 I believe the note 10+ has the best battery, definitely not an iPhone. Even the S10+ beats the 11 pro Max in battery test.
The thing that annoyed me with the iPhone 11 was they 'normalised' their lower spec phone at the higher price. Allowing them to charge more for the Pros. Effectively duping most people to not release the 'normal' line of iPhone was the Pro line.
yeah.
@@Alex-yj9xl Bruh. That’s it?
What are talking about? The 11 costed 50$ less than the XR
It’s just a name, if a product is better than its cheaper counterpart then it is superior hence the name ‘pro’ it’s really not that deep
let greg enjoy himself 😌
Lol nothing pro about base 64gb storage, no audio jack, no expandable storage, no USB C.
I sell these, there isnt much of a noticeable difference between the base and pro line
jubjub f there is. You can’t understand until you owned both.
Something being better doesn't make it "pro."
If a product offers extra features specifically for people using it in their PROfessions, then it's pro.
I love iPhones, but the name is but the name is just Apple needing to justify charging over $1000 for a phone.
To summarize the entire video if you don’t have time: they needed to get rid of the budget suffix “R” because iPhone XR sounded like a budget phone. So by having just the name iPhone 11 (which is the new “R” basically) and the suffix “Pro” they can differentiate the standard offering from the premium offering. This way we have “the new shiny iPhone” that is good enough and “the new shiny extra iPhone” if you really just need that bit more. Rather than last year’s naming scheme the iPhone XR (we want more people to feel included but it sounds budget so they might think it isn’t as good even though it basically has the same processor and other differences you won’t notice) and then the ‘proper’ iPhone XS, which is the ‘normal’ new iPhone. So after watching this video - thank you to the creator - I now know that the name Pro was used to clean up the product naming system and more easily make a purchase decision, and also feel better. I feel it also respects the power of the iphones more. By removing the “R” name which has a ‘budget, cheap option’ ring to it, people can feel their phone is powerful enough and up to date, which really it is . I mean even the iPhone SE from years ago is good enough, especially with the speed bump from iOS 13.
Or should we say Apple's PROblem 😂
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Okay, I'll leave 😒
Lol I think it’s clever.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
PRO = a Person Ready to Overpay
I literally wanted to say that immediately 😂
🥁 ba dum tss
😀
3:27 ya right:) "pro" devices should be able to download a zip file from the browser
Mikayel Միքայել exactly!!! So damn frustrating
with ios13 you can do this even with the x or older
Greg talked about "at the time" so you can do it now argument is invalid Plus Android could do that since 2011 so no excuses there.
Base 64gb non expandable cstorage, no headphone jack.. how is this phone "pro" again?
Mikayel nowone cares about your shitty android phone
I don’t think the “Pro” in their products stands solely for professionals. They’ve said it in their keynotes the pro is for professionals and those who want the best.
OMO
people should just stop complaining, buy it or dont buy it
Turhan Riddick exactly. They know what they’re getting into. You get what you choose at the end of the day and you choose where to spend your money.
PRO = a Person Ready to Overpay
the people that complain are the one's that don't buy them in the first place
So true.
Lefteris Gaming wow. Innovative
Apple: Adds a minor upgrade to the iPhone XS
Also Apple: *This is the only iPhone worthy of the Pro naming.*
A.G _empire The 10sMax was the worst iPhone ever made
J M why it’s the best iPhone from last year
Andrew Konadu can’t you do your own research?
iPhone 11 Pro is actually a downgrade. No 3D Touch, the A13 is just as fast or even slower than the A13 and it overheats. There are only 2 improvements: the camera and the battery life.
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I love how now a 1080p screen is now a “pro” feature...
Neither the Iphone 11 Pro nor the Iphone 11 Pro Max have a 1080p display.
Akomedias yeah i don’t know what he was trying to get at there 😂
WyldeGi he’s referring to the fact that the iPhone 11 (regular model) has an 828p screen instead of the usual 1080p resolution, and I agree with that. Why charge $700 or more for a screen that doesn’t even reach 1080p in 2019 (now 2020)?
Luis Acosta lol jealous fandroid
Corona Virus Agar lol, uneducated douchebag
The only problem I have with the naming of the 2019 iPhones is the “Max” suffix on the bigger model. It’s just unnecessary and it sounds dumb. Dropping the “Max” suffix would bring the naming in to greater congruence with the naming scheme of their other products.
Because there’s two different sizes of MacBook Pros but they don’t’ have an extra suffix to delineate between the two sizes. Same thing with the two different sizes of iPad Pros. If you need to refer to a specific model you would just cite it’s screen size. “I bought 12.9 inch iPad Pro” or just, “I bought the bigger one”
Also...it just sounds stupid. So dropping it would alleviate the stupid as well.
iPhone 11+
Gale Boetticher iPhone 11 Pro plus! Very quick very simple just like they did with the six the 6S7 and the eight. It’s the stupidest name that I’ve ever heard Max what goofy thing will apple come up with next
Oh boy, I can’t wait for the iPhone 11 S Pro Max next year!
I think they changed to "MAX" because other phone manufacturers used "plus" too like Samsung galaxy XY plus or the One plus one/two....So they changed it to MAX so average customer instantly think about apple when hearing phone with a MAX in it - That's my theory
Inn m l like Max in the name.
the only problem with PRO is..
i cant afford it.
No thats not the only problem
Sounds like a Personal PROblem
@@Racko. indeed
InhumanGG poor
@BIG HORN MGTOW *_Except Samsung. It's expensive._*
2:43 “Non professionals like students”
Wait what ? 🥲
Okay thank you 😖
They could've used the "s" suffix instead, since they could've done wat they did with the iPhone 8 and not have a secondary improvement the following with the "s" name
the S suffixes are for phones that are just an improvement over the previous phone (e.g. the iPhone 7 to iPhone 8), with mostly the same design and minor changes
Although I suppose calling the 11 Pro the “11S” also would make sense
Apple: Give people wonderful tools & they'll do wonderful things
Me: **uses Pro line to draw, animate, render, & upload hardcore furry hentai**
Apple: No! This isn't how you're supposed to play the game.
I: if i had enough money
Fanfics, shitty fanart as covers for my fanfics, and eventually learn how to animate little cartoon videos for youtube with stupid 15 year old humor or animate fanfics.
Not sure
Ulises R thats fucking disgusting.
@@rxtcha2394 i bet they’re getting that shmoney tho
There's literally a word for what you're describing in this video. Prosumer.
This “pro” phone would have been a perfect device to introduce usc c to the iPhone the argument people would find it difficult to adapt with is stupid as the so called pro will have a iPad Pro or a MacBook so it benefits them more
really goes to show how poeple can complain about everything lol
Michael Vo-Chau TRUE.
imProveia wow sarcasm at its finest
I’d say quad core vs dual core makes a significant difference in the pro space
There was however a time where the 13” Pro was dual core as well and that made it sort of awkward comparing the Air vs Pro
I gotta admit. The ad for the sponsor of this video had one of the smoothest transitions from video to ad.
The original 13" MBP was a tank. I used it onstage, for years. I ran GuitarRig and several other pieces of software and it handled it all, without latency. I had an all-digital rig. People were surprised when we showed up with nothing but laptops and a small rack. Good times.
iPhone 11 Pro Max S EA Sports
IT'S A
PHONE
Wow did you come with this joke
-jacksfilms
Superportvein It’s in the game!!!
iiXLoftyBuilds Yes it can, because it’s in the game son.
New iPhone 12 Pro Max Ultra XLSE Large with Extra Dip
I'm an IT consultant. I have done all kinds of IT things from C/C++/Perl development up to private cloud and Linux administration today. The laptop my company gives me to do all my PRO work has always been less then I want, but I made due with what I had. Currently our "standard" corporate laptop is an HP elitebook 840 G5 with Windows 10 Entperise, Intel core i5-8350U, 8GB 2400MHz ram, Full HD 14" display and 128GB SSD storage -- which incidentally is the FIRST time they've given us a laptop that uses SSD. If they doubled the memory and storage, I'd be happy. I use it for work, therefore it must be called a "Pro" laptop I guess.
And it sucks. Even Apple makes laptops more powerful and capable than this. Granted they'd charge twice the price, but Apple does make 'em. My point? That "Pro" is just a marketing buzz word. Yes, "Pro" did used to me a faster, more capable machine able to handle demanding compute and networking tasks. But that's not really true anymore. Today it's just marketing jargon.
(For clearance I’m no fandroid person)
The iphone 11 is named weird
Because the XR was bigger than the XS and the 11 is the new equivalent of the XR it is bigger than the 11 Pro
5.8” display 6.1” display
So it seems weird plus the pro version is the flagship model and the original is a Budget model
I would say this helped simplify the lineup and shifted focus to the XR (or now the 11). Sure, the 11 Pro is smaller, but using the word "pro", consumers now know that this is a more advanced products and that what they're looking for is the 11. The word pro is there merely to differentiate between regular and high end, nothing more.
The Pigs Are Rebelling The original is the 11 pro, the “ lite “ is the iPhone 11. They named the lite one just iPhone 11 so people would think the normal iPhone is just at 700$. It’s all marketing for noobs. Us, we can’t be fooled
@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson no s*** it's marketing. What company wouldn't want to make some money? Only thing is, the only thing you're losing is one camera and worse screen but for $300 less
Bryan H Censoring a bad word eh?
@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson I'm trying to break a bad habit
Will we have iOS Pro next?
The ‘Pro problem’ that Apple’s competitors would love to have.
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS
Can your MacBook AIR do video rendering?
I think the problem with naming the new high end iPhones with pro is they didn’t add any new pro features to signifying it taking that next step. The pro name only is added because they wanted to make the cheaper iPhone the regular one not just the cheaper which is great but they could’ve at least made it easier to use the iPhone as a professional device with something like usb c. I think it would been better to do this naming with the IPhone X with its new redesign
People have too much time on their hands. If Apple calls their next phone the iPhone SuperMax Protastic Elite, then its their right to do so. I really think the 2020 phones, which is rumoured to be the next redesign will be the real PRO phone,. USBC, Promotion, No Notch, Inductive Charging. I like the new names. It’s much better then IPhone XR, and iPhone XS Max. It’s definitely a PRO camera array on the iPhone 11 Pros.
“No notch” haha!
I wish...
Inductive charging is in iPhone from iPhone 8.
Ditching notch will be huge superise.
Where would u put front cam and Face ID sensors
@@sohail7875 You would throw them in the bin and innovate. Oh wait Apple forgot the meaning of innovate. Welp
8:53 I do that with my iPad PRO 10.5”
The iPhone XR was a budget model.
Only 750$
Yeah, I've been waiting for this one.
iPhone 11 Air would have been odd, that phone is even thicker than the iPhone 11 Pro
Rudy Rodriguez From Apple’s side it would have been worse but from consumers side it could have been a clever idea, even if plus and plus max could be confusing for many people. I think they should have used last year’s name scheme
Apple should do a “what’s a professional” commercial.
crazy ones
willing to pay extra for a little hint at their imaginary independent freelance programmer photographer lifestyle xD
Fun you make more than2/3 0f your income from an activity,you are legally, a professional.
As always informative and helpful 👍
Apple: *sees this vid*
Also apple: If we cant call it pro, we'll call it smart.
smart connecter.
smart phone.
smart keyboard.
smart ipad.
smart ipad accessories.
I cringe hearing the iPad called tablet. It’s in its own league
@@Htiy oops sorry lol ill change it if you'd like!
today oneplus launched a TV with 'pro' suffix in its name...and and and no one saying a word on it
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4:29 absolutely right.
will say my macbook pro 2015 got me through engineering at my school. i was able to install my cad programs using bootcamp and that thing had no issue at all even in the later years of my degree.
F squarespace
A C.M.S. is bloatware.
iJustine's hand at 3:34
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This is exactly correct! As a premed student I need to access programs with complex molecules in organic chemistry and biochemistry, programs that are impossible to run on my iPad Air. Also, the majority of doctors I work with use iPhones to access patient history, X-rays and even MRIs. Aside from that, the fact that I can edit 4K video on my iPhone but not my first 2012 MacBook Pro says a lot about the iPhones 11 PROs capabilities.
Although i am watching this video in may 2022, i must admit that i was very informative. Overall all the videos that i have watched on your channel Greg, are very informative and as i am a huge apple fan, i have learned more about apple and understood things i couldn’t explain myself. Keep doing that great work! 👍
If the iphone 11 pro is “pro “
So is every Android flagship since 2017
So samsung did have this camera system 11pro have now at 2017? They dont even have it now lol..
andreas gustafsson what camera system ?
Did you not see the S10 ?
The S10 allows night mode even on the Wide angle lens, unlike the “Pro “ iphone
And Samsung had the “Pro “ level Amoled display literally since 2010 🤣
It has everything the iphone 11 “Pro “ has and more
Lg had Wide angle camera’s since 2016
Huawei had night node since 2017
Apple, as usual is the last, but no where near the best at implementing night mode and wide lenses
@@Phoenix-King-ozai ok fandroid
@@The-mw3hc I'm Not
I use an SE which I love and a Galaxy A50
I just don't mind calling Apple out on their lack of innovation and their increasingly consumer hostile behaviour
The more Apple innovates, the more iPhone and Android users both benefit
Lately Apple has been "innovating " better ways of squeezing their customers dry with minimal updates
This has to stop
And Apple fans should criticise apple for this
Not cover them
One plus and realme also has pro attached to their name,no one talks about that
5:04 “Sawl”
RUclips Police
Im waiting for the iPod Pro 😁
I remember when I thought the iPhone XR was just "iPhone X in a new shell", similar to what they did with the 5C. Framing the XS as an "iPhone XR Pro" makes things much less ambiguous.
Aight just bought the iphone 11 pro! Thanks for this vid!👍💪
P R O: people ready to overpay
"Apple's new macbook pro Is 13 inch compared to the 15 inch 2006 macbook pro"
2019 Magic Keyboard Macbook Pro: hold my screen
Thank you finally someone understands and explains to people I’m tired of explaining this to people
Let's be real here: every VSCO girl and Instagram "influencer" is gonna buy one of these regardless of the name.
VSCO girls can't afford these phones, there parents buy them. Most that I know don't even have jobs.
@@lefthanded5473 the only thing they do is giving guys boners
@@blizzforte284 Lmao true 🤣🤣
@@lefthanded5473 that's the only thing they can do but let's be grateful for that lmao
@@blizzforte284 Lol facts.
Apple is back with a bang. Love iPhone 11 series.
Gold Gun A very ugly ass bang
I really love how they presented the 11 especially its price
Lesedi Mochadibane and?
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Awww triggered Samsheep?
Ꭲ Ꮋ Ꮎ Ꭱ yes but they have the best camera at the moment
Do Xaiomi and Huawei have any phones available worldwide though?
I like the naming system D:
Watching this on galaxy 8s
S8
@@ethanarrington5144 8s
So by your defintion of "pro", every flagship should be called "pro"
Pro of iPhone means Productivity, not Professional
@@m.clenildas.decarvalho2031 Pro means *Profit*. Pro Max means *Profit Maximisation*
Basically, the word "pro" is more like a trim level that is better than the regular models. Sort of like cars trim levels, regular M4 and the M4 Competition
i always used to consider “Pro” in the iPhone as “Better Than the Normal Model”
Given the impact the iPad Pro has had on many artists, I'd say they've more than earned the right to the "Pro" qualifier. What disappointed me about the iPhone "Pro" was no Pencil support. That's a missed opportunity; it would be the greatest reporter notebook out there. I mean, it's a screen big enough for note-taking, but no Pencil support.
It's marketing. If calling it "Pro" sells more units, it's the pro.
Pro was used well before 2006. I have apple pro mouses and apple pro speakers from 2002
Whens the apple watch pro coming?
Bruh, it’s just a name.
Kevin Ruiz Quiroz IKR
Your new logo is way way way better than the earlier one
1:18
Tim Cook: Did he just used the word 'ports'?
So is it okay if I buy iPhone 12 mini ???
Maybe the next video you might want to do is why Apple killed 3D Touch
I call it a “Pro”blem...
Terrificten I call u a copycat because there was a comment like this before yours
Wait what?! .... ok didn’t see that lol
Terrificten ok I now call u nothing since u didn’t see it 👍
3:37 the picture is from the video of ijustine with the name iPhone 11 Pro vs original iphone
Can you please make a video explaining the notch! Also why apple is not bringing touchid back!
How about this: remember back before smartphone cameras were a thing you’d either hire a camera person or have to carry a camera system AND handle all the editing YOURSELF on a computer? Now, any flagship smartphone can handle all this in a form factor that fits in your pocket. You can basically do some “pro” stuff in the palm of your hands.
I love my iPhone 11 Pro Max. The camera is insane.
#teammidnightgreen
I love that color too! It reminds me of BMWs "British Racing Green" back in the 1990s.
I really wish apple would offer the fashion colors in the pro versions, I love the purple but I cannot comfortably use the smaller phone.
This video was made to reflect on iPhone 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max. Is the iPhone 14 an actual pro phone? We will have to see if we get pro motion, USBC, and 8gb of RAM.
I still want my iPod Pro 1TB 😂😂😂
“ iPod pro “
I bet everyone leaves a like before even watching :)
En Person you’re the first person who commented this video!!
GG being first
ur wrong sweetie
Burnin itchin if you want proof, click “newest first” and scroll down.
Sure did
Will that happen with iPad pro? :(
0:32 how does that yellow phone turn like that?
This is the most biased video you've ever made.
Yeah he's trying way too hard to justify the misleading name.
@Ziyaad Fredericks Just like how hard you are trying to sound smart.
@@potato9288 or maybe your iq is a little below average
Yes, I think making it unclear which one is the 'pro' one waste a lot of my time searching for the one I need as the tech gaps are now thinner and unstructured.
All the tech I use for my profession is lower spec than the tech I buy for personal use.
I want watch history of angry birds next
Am I the only one who noticed that at 3:37 a clip of iJustine’s video was shown?
The iPad photo your showing in the 3:15 mark is not the pro but either the iPad Air, Air 2, or the 2017/2018 budget iPads
No Manuel mode or default raw photo support
0:18 when was the iPhone 11 $400?
In that case android phones should have been called PRO long back
This dude is a beast. Very very good content library and “content”. 🐐🐐
for me the "Pro" is just an extra name that indicates that it is a better version of the basic model, not an adjective indicating that it is the "pro version" for professionals, it's just a nice name that Apple put to sell more. So much so that several other companies name the slightly better versions of their products Pro
Just like how they called the 11 pro's display "Pro XDR display" which is basically the same display used in the iPhone X
Isn’t the brightness and HDR technology better on the iPhone 11 pro’s display?
@@kogucik-hq8cb only in HDR content, rest it's same at 800nits
now no tablet has flash😢