The DARKEST and FATTEST DRUMSESSION ever😨!
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
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Recording DRUMS with RIBBON MICS only? YES!
German producer Kristian Kohle (Powerwolf, Aborted, Emil Bulls, Electric Callboy) traveled all the way to the amazing TOOLHOUSE STUDIOS to record #drums with @longdistancecalling drummer Janosch.
But here's what's special: We used only @Ribbonmics from AEA on this session!
All the mics we used:
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The Studio:
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Janosch's band:
➡️ / longdistancecalling
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#recordingdrums #rockdrums #recordingstudio #drumsession
00:00 Overview
01:15 The Drummer and the Drums
02:34 The Studio
04:04 The Overheads
07:38 The Snare
09:38 The Kick
13:32 The (insane) Room
16:50 The Toms
19:12 The Recording
19:40 Download the Multitracks!
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How do you like the drum sound? And which mic is the biggest surprise for you?
I love dark drums. Sounds great!
The biggest surprise is the fact you can have so much joy and positive energy to share while you know:
If ONE snare hit goes wrong... a 7000€ mic will be smashed in less than a second 😂
I'm sure there are good techs out there to repair and maintain all this gear... but still, recording some shitheavy black metal on the top of this must be a pretty anxious and deep experience 🤣🤘🔥
Huge sound. Huge thanks!
Don't be afraid of drummers who can't aim. If you have problems with a broken AEA and you are in Europe, we can repair it.@@letroy7227 🥳😃
The sound was so meaty on almost everything and with that 88 in the hallway it just made it special. I really enjoyed it.🤘🤘
The eq on the overhead surprise me. The other room room mic is something that i really enjoy a lot !!!!
Dang! Certainly answers the question can you mic a drum kit with only Ribbon Mics!!
dang straight !!
Those AEA R88's are juicccccy
Yes, I need a pair!
WERD.
Could we get an IR of that stairwell/room? It’d be cool if we could. You should get an IR of that room. Just take my money now
Man that room mic in the other room is incredible. Ribbon mics all sound so nice.
So good. Maybe my fav video you've done. And I'm a guitarist!
Sounds fucking great. AEA makes amazing mics.
I liked the round tom sound
That was the only part I want perfectly happy about. But or also had to do with me not tuning the toms perfectly
They sound soo full and juicy! They just blew my ass off. Amazing
Wow that drum verb is incredible sounding, mic at the top of the stairs makes a huge difference
"Luxury Black Metal" hehe love it! And that upstairs room mic was awesome! 😎
I'm the Posh Spice of Nothern Darkness!
All of these mics sound great!
Thank you! I love Ribbon mics. In a digital world they really warm things up. That and tubes anywhere you can use them. I love using a pair of ribbons in Blumlein but off axis in front of the kit about 6" higher on the stand than the snare to taste, and about 3-5 feet in front of the kit depending on the room. One capsule faces the outside edge of the snare closer to the high hat and the other capsule faces the floor tom. Looks like a cross but more like an "X" shape. I have tried this with inexpensive Ribbon mics from Shiny Box, and really nice Coles 4038s. Coles sound better. This set up gives me a great overall drum sound of the entire kit. It takes a bit of adjusting to taste but once you find the sweet spot it's awesome. For your kick on this track, you could have put a ribbon mic outside the kick drum on the beater side for capturing the attack instead of the inside one, and the one you put outside the front of the kick, AEA A440 did sound amazing. Well done.
Always enjoy when you go with the high-end gear and big studio environment.
Holy shit that was amazing! Love the idea and thanks for the video. I loved both of the overheads and the biggest surprise was the 88 out in the stairway which added some extra "life" to it in a way I was not ready for. Effing brilliant.
Yeah. That room mic is 🍾
Excellent sound...Really gorgeous!!! It already smells greatness!!!
sounds killer, well done!
more ribbons than Christmas morning
😋
We use Ribbons inside the kick all the time. Certainly it needs to handle the SPL, but if you're worried about the air blasts, there are plenty of ways to diffuse it. It's a GREAT option, even for metal.
Oh really? Which one do you use and how do you protect them?
@@KohleAudioKult Have a bunch. Our Shure KSM313 mics can handle things inside with no considerations (and the back side has a nice top end boost), and the Samar VL37 pair both work great with with either a wind sock or at an angle. We even have an R44 that works great on kicks with no res head, but it needs a REALLY high headroom pre.
@@KohleAudioKult Yeah, the ribbons in the Shure ribbon mics are made of a proprietary material that is supposed to be fairly indestructible. The KSM 353 was actually designed as a purpose kick mic to sound like a mix of a dynamic and U47. FYI, before Shure purchased the company, the KSM 313 and KSM 353 were originally manufactured by Crowley and Tripp with the model names Naked Eye and El Diablo, respectively, and you might still find some C&T marketing materials online. When I last looked about 5 years ago it was easier to find marketing material on the C&T than the Shure versions.
dayum
very love ribbon on everything!
Dude is wearing a Forgotten Tomb shirt. So, immediate respect.
Sounds beautiful! That room mic is INSANE! Love it!
Thanks very much Christian that was bleedin awesome man. What an amazing sound from the ribbons on drums. Maybe even more epic for metal. Big thanks to the PLAP team
The Hardy M-1 preamp is one of the best ever made.
This is a very cool content and the drums sound fantastic!
Wow, that mic up the stairs is just INSANE!!!! That is amazing.
Love the idea and unsurprisingly, it sounds great in that context.
YES! Please more like this!
The secod room mike was the burner for the mix! It brings life to the recording!
I'm listening on the worst laptop speakers you can imagine and even there, the drums sound huge! Not kidding when I say that this might be my fav raw drumsound. VERY impressive!
Thanks for this video and the multitracks!
Ahahahah I KNEW IT. I knew someone else besides me would've used the "open door, mic outside" trick to get an amazing room. I started doing it one year ago in the small studio I'm working at because the rec room is way too dry to get lively-sounding drums. Sick stuff.
P.s.
The owner of this mic collection when her wife asks him where all their money went: 13:09
The „room mic next door“ technique is awesome! The only problem is that most studios won’t allow you to do this for sound proofing reasons
10'55" - the green cap of HMF-db knob fell off :)
Welcome to vintage console land 😇
I love that drum sound. So warm and full of punch at the same time! Great stuff! :D
Beautiful studio! I have some Hardy pres, love them. Amazing pres, particularly with di bass gtr. Great drummer, great sound man! Nice work. Very cool you did this. This sound could work on some Doom Metal, and any other rock genre. Ribbons don't always mean "vintage", and I don't think they get as much use as they deserve anymore. Great job with mic placement. Nice warm but full sound. Organic. I get tired of condensers all over the place. I appreciate the fact that you let us hear each mic, so we can hear the differences. Clicking like, and am already following. You've been putting out some great content, for metal guys and non metal guys alike.
Thanks for the uber cool video! Rock on.
Thanks a lot man! ❤️
Love it, great experience!
nice!!!!
Sounds wicked! Also, I love the Toolhouse! My band recorded two EPs there. Great studio!
Personally, I am super impressed watching Kristian navigate that SSL console. 🎛🎚✨️ Incredible sounding mics! 🎙 Very cool studio! This is really high quality content! ✨️
Great sound an many thanks for the free course!!!!
Enjoy!
Awesome room sound. Also I really dug the Overheads.
Thank you so much for this video, and for the free course. Top notch!
The next chapter is coming up soon!
Wow, absolutely loved the sound ❤ ! Similar what I try to achieve at home. Try 😂 .
Would love to hear another session like that. More Albini, more figur 8, let it bleed!
Man, it sounds dope
Amazing stairwell mic sound.🖤 Brilliant!★
Kick drum sounds amazing ! love the punch but the air and slap/decay is so good
Luxury Black Metal 🤣 NEXT LEVEL 🍻🤘
As another audio engineer, I want to thank you for doing this incredibly creative experiment. I'm very surprised! I've used ribbon mics before on overheads, hi-hat, room, electric and acoustic guitar, vocals, piano, strings, but NEVER like this! The rejection coming from those mics boggles my mind. Very impressive. I'm definitely going to check out the multi-tracks. Again, thank-you for teaching me, and probably a few others, something new.
Believe me, I was surprised as well. I didn't expect those mics to sound that great in a metal drum setup.
We've got the second chapter (guitars) coming up next week.
Daking on drums are underrated.
Hearing the R88 I was blown away! Had to look up the price because one day I wana have one... Don't look up the price people...
I think the passive R88 is pretty reasonably priced for what is. Just buy two good Neumanns or Royers or any other pair of high end mics for that purpose and compare the price. The 7k snare mic is another story though 😋
Yeah, keep in mind the R88 is actually two microphones in one body. The R84 is the single mic version and its price is comparable to other “medium priced” ribbons like Royer, Mesanovic, and Shure KSM313.
Yeah you guys are right! Didn't think of it as two mics.
IRs of that corridor room would be sick. So clearly the real sauce.
Awesome sound, very good video and explanation!
i spent all my money , on ribbon mics.... and i still want more....
Dude! You either need therapy or more ribbon mics ;)
Can I have both..?@@KohleAudioKult
Love this! I've always been a huge fan of AEA mics. For what it's worth, the N8 isn't supposed to be a brighter, more modern sound (that would be the N22); it was actually intended to be a mono version of the R88.
Really cool video. The R44 is such nice smokey sounding mic. Used it on guitar cabinets a few times. A little surprised that I didn't see any Royer R121 or Coles 4038 microphones.
I do this myself from time to time. I'll throw in some pairs like M160's that have more than typical ribbon high frequency detail just to get away from it being too dark.
Yeah, they sound more mid forward and less “ribbonish” which can be great
I bought an inexpensive pair of active ribbon mics and they are great for room and overhead mics.
AEA R88 for the win as a room mic
Absolutely!
This was a very very cool exercise.Thanks!
Even as a guitarist, this was one of the best Kohle videos ever 👌
It will be nice in the future a video with low budget ribbon mics, like the the t.bone RB 500 from Thomann. I have really expensive mics in the studio, but I end up using those a lot of times. Like in OH, vocals and cabs.... Really nice video 👏👏👏
I haven’t done an AB comparison, but those AEA mics really feel like “next level”.
Hi,
I like this experiment A LOT!!! Really good drum sounds! Bloody well done!
The snare microphone was the biggest surprise for me. It really made the snare sound exactly how I want a snare to sound. WOW!
Sadly, I don't have 7K lying round so... Other ribbons will have to do. :)
Cheers!
BR, M
Thanks man!
The problem with the snare mic might be that you won't find many other supercardioid ribbons.
Now if only I could afford a bunch of ribbon mics
I've been using my ribbon mic in parallel with my condenser for vocals and it works great, really fills out the midrange. PLUS you don't have to worry about phase issues. Very cool!
So you just line up the mics and blend them?
@@KohleAudioKult Pretty much. It's weird how they capture different elements of the sound so they don't conflict. You get a real full sound without needing saturation or EQ.
What do you mean that there are no phase issues?
@@yoco93cro Normally when you have two similar mics recording the same sound in different settings, you'll get phase cancellation issues. When you have a condenser and a ribbon mic, the method for collecting the sounds is completely different, so phase isn't as much as an issue, in my experience.
@@GloveBunniesVideos I think the only thing that matters in that case is that the mics are placed coincident, I don't think microphone type can have such a influence as resulting waveforms can either be in phase or not (or at various degrees). Maybe because ribbons usually yield "darker" sound and therefor sound different opposed to condenser mics, less cancelation occurs because the recordings aren't the same
Brave! I broke my modded fathead with a bass drum. Just the wind from a heavy hitter via a bass drum tunnel can break a ribbon let alone hitting one with a stick.
It helps a lot to position the microphone at an angle so that the wind does not hit the ribbon directly. It also helps to place a pop filter in front of it. Recently I even saw two pop filters in front of a 44.
The R88 definitely is a great mic. Even watching the video it sounded like listening to the drumset live in the room. Very natural sound and stereo perception on that one.
I didn't really like the bassdrum sound, to be honest - don't know if it was the bassdrum itself or the in-shell mic. The ribbon on the outside sounded great, though, so probably the D6 killer doesn't kill the D6 for me. 😅
(Or the V-Kick, which I personally like best)
The v-Kick, the D6 and the Telefunken all have their own flavor of a modern and scooped sound. All good mics, the D6 would still be my desert island mic though.
Really great video. Sounds fantastic!
Question: How would you describe the transient definition and punch of a ribbon mic compared to a, say, dynamic mic ? 🙌
Big fan of ribbons. Great drum sound, although it might be more of that hallway room mic than anything else 😂😂
I recently tried Aston Elements on overheads and those are ridiculously cool sounding.
that control room is all business, no chill
1:21 what was that wet noodle handshake?
This is insane
Part two (guitars) on the way!
you mean like Kiss Creatures of the Night album?
🔥🔥🔥
That was fun! (even if I would have preferred an LDC here or there)🙂
If that’s you Dave, I can understand 😇.
But seriously: This was more of an experiment first. Then it turned out to sound way cooler (more usable) than expected.
But of course any real world session would include some dynamics or condensers!
forgotten tomb short 🔥
Hey guys, I'm using an Apex 205 ribbon mic outside of the kick. You don't need an expensive mic for this purpose. I put a pop filter on it to be sure and that lets me get it closer. It's like a subkick and I'm not afraid of breaking an expensive mic. 🙃
Of course any ribbon will do good in that position. The AEA does fantastic!
That room stairwell stereo mic is VERY similar to the technique used by Andy Johns on Led Zeppelin IV. In that case the stereo mics were a pair of Beyerdynamic M 160's and they were heavily compressed.
No compression needed here. That was very impressive
@@KohleAudioKult Cool. Good to know. 👍
The beyerdynamic M160 is a hyper cardioid ribbon I think you would find useful if you do this again. Also an idea for not “cheating” with the dynamic on the kick, maybe miking the batter side would provide enough click and have another on the reso side..??..🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The Beyer is another great mic. I think it sounds a little more mid forward than the AEAs but I haven't A/Bd yet.
Hey it sounds amazing just wondering are you just putting a low pass on the outer kick mic? Or did you like really kill everything above 1k 😂
I used the high shelf on the SSL in the video.
If you watch the full course you can see me using a low pass. It both works!
@@KohleAudioKult awesome! Thank you for sharing all your stuff with us 🤘🖤
The outside kick mic is fuckin obnoxiously great !! : ) ...and ive heard mixers say they dont use the outside kick mic much when they mix, what the fuck are they talking about !? definitely not the case here !! its a royal family of high end mics ! cheers !
I agree! But very often it’s a bleed issue and not the actual sound of the mic.
i see, the motherfuckin bleed ! i got ya ! thanks!! @@KohleAudioKult
If you've got plenty of time you can easily record the drums separately, I mean, that's never good for live sessions but it worked well on records. Namastè.
How is it that the room mics aren't 30-40ms delayed from the close mics? My room mics always have phase issues.
As soon as the room mics are a few meters away from both the kit and the close mics, phase usually doesn’t matter anymore.
It’s much more important between close mics and overheads where the kit/mic vs mic/mic distance is much closer.
The swimming pool video was great, but don’t you want to replace your swimming cap with a beanie by now? You could also consult with Herr Starr other stylish hat options.
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I think the ribbons worked great for the overheads, rooms, and snare bottom. The toms were decent, but I think the snare top was lacking. The kick out was decent, but I wasn't a fan of the dynamic kick mic at all.
haha !! LUXURY black metal ! -_- .. we like a bitta luxurious'ness ! : )
do this again with cheaper ribbons!
I prefer the $99 SM 57 on my snare instead of the $7000 microphone crazy!!
Not all of this is “real world” stuff. I’m not gonna put a 7k mic on the snare either. It’s still interesting how amazing this mic sounds.
Download the multitracks!
@@KohleAudioKult
Its awesome that you get to try all that great gear! It is a beautiful mic though.🤘
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Sounds like you’re gonna need to go back and record some samples for yourself if you didn’t already 👀😂
Sure I did!
Great video
I love ribbon mics, and can't live without them
Since you used the Telefunken M82 on the kick, I highly recommend you try the Shure KSM313 ribbon mic. It's a great kick mic (and a great mic for literally everything) and the ribbon will not get damaged at all 👊🏻
holy fuck that external room mic !! shit !!! thats BIG !!!