In a world of triggers this is refreshing. Power toms, no response bass drums heds and that doesn´t care! It sounds good. As a 34+ years drumming I love that. Simplicity and SOUND. That matters. Great job, guys.
Who wouldn't want to work with Darrell? The credits he has, and the achievements, and he is as laid back and affable as you could imagine. You can tell he absolutely loves what he does. Excellent video!
Gotta say - our job as engineers is so much easier when we have a musician like Joey who knows how to play their instrument so well! For the sound he's going for he is striking the drums/cymbals perfectly. A lotta drummers don't know how bad they're making their kit sound by how they hit it. And no, softer isn't always better. But here it's wonderful. Great kit, tuned well, great mics, great player... it's hard to mess this up. Thanks for the video guys, loved it. -Blair
What a fantastic video. I will say though, thinner cymbals will almost always have have a lower pitch than their thicker counterparts, and be more washy with a longer, smoother decay. Thicker cymbals are bright and fast.
right at 49:45 Darrell is showing the snare "phase" between the top and bottom snare mic's. But he is also looking at the Kick's phase as well. Notice that the snares' transient attack start by going down. That is his phrase "The polarity is wrong" & "speaker is sucking, now the speaker is pushing" . He flips polarity on both the snare mics so they are now pushing up at the start of the hit.
I noticed this part, and I’m kind of stuck on it! I believe that it’s more common for the snare transient to start going down, how it was originally. I’ve heard it explained that it makes sense because the pressure of the drum head is first travelling away from the mic, creating a negative waveform. I think it’s more important to match the snare polarity to the Overheads than it is to always start the waveform in the positive direction, but would love to hear some other opinions.
delightful. love seeing a lefty kit in studio. Joey's a treasure of a drummer and I learned so much from Darrell. I feel like you made this video just for me.
Ha- I can't believe I didn't even notice it's a lefty kit setup - guess coz I've been playing and recording my own lefty kit(s) for 30 years and it just looked NORMAL. Lol.
This was amazing. Satisfying when you see pro's explain things you've experienced-found-felt yourself for years. The big room sound that so many people THINK they want moment especially.
Absolutely incredible! I love what he said about using the overheads as whole kit perspective, Ive been on that for a few years now two. I just bought myself into the Lauten family! I just got the LA120s and did some recording with them yesterday! Thank you all so much for all the incredible work you all did for us!
Dude. I use my overheads for the kit perspective as well, I must have stumbled upon this nugget at some point. My name is also Brandon and I also got a pair of the LA120's recently. Have only had a chance to use them as a Hi hat and Ride close mics, but they are great.
@@buhlir I too want to spend all of my money on Lauten mics. This just gets crazier and crazier. We might be doppelganger's. Honestly, I don't wanna know.
I've watched a lot of videos on miking and recording drums and this was probably one of the best I've seen in a while. Thanks for posting this. I learned a lot.
love love love my LA-120's. I've got them spaced pair OH setup in a small room, and with the hi/lo filters, they have given such a beautiful capture of my kit and room without processing too. Amazing mics!
Lauten is my favorite mic company bar none, and I own many of the greatest mics ever made. Now all I have to do is start filming my sessions so I can get their attention.
This is great! As a compete novice who has no idea what I am doing, I'm proud of the fact that I figured out on my own that the angle of the close mic on toms and snare that I arrived at agrees with Darrell's assessment. I'm micing a kit for the first time (well really the 2nd time, 1st time s over a decade and I knew even less, and had less and worse mics to work with), I put on isolating headphones and I just move the mic around with my hand to see where the attack and "bloom" ratio sounded best. Also in experimenting with a room mic, I discovered that the low LDC mic (U47 clone) set back about 6 feet or more from the kick drum and about 1 foot or less off the ground sounded killer. I agree it sounds like it's moving air. Cool stuff. I'm determined to make a decent sounding record in my basement with a few good mics and a 10 Ch interface and plugins. It's what I have to work with for now. I guess that's the challenge, but I am learning and having fun.
You guys make some nice looking mics. Also, really enjoyed the editing, particularly during the control room part where you differentiate the difference between the board feed and what the lav mics are picking up. Should be an industry standard for this kinda thing
Man I scour RUclips for these types of videos and this is one of the most well made, informative, interesting and inspiring drum recording videos I’ve ever watched. Cudos guys. Incredibly well done & obviously amazing drum sounds going on.
I think it’s interesting that it was never mentioned that this mix is technically audience perspective since Joey plays a lefty drum kit , but that to most of us this is perceived as ‘drummer’s perspective with the hats on the left and the toms descending to the right 🧐🧐🧐🧐
This is straight off the board, so it's not a mix. But it's an interesting conundrum because Joey is a lefty, but the person listening might not know it 😅
Great to see a real deal music statement!! No e drums, pads, samples, and plastic BS!! Drums and mics!!! Bless you guys!! Seen Joey with Roger Waters twice already, the man is a beast! Killer drummer!!
When this goes into the control room, I keep thinking the mics on the drums have some sort of phasing issues, but then I keep having to remind myself that it's his lapel mic as he's wheeling around different mixing positions 🤪😂 Lovin all the videos in this series, tho! Hope to see a lot more, and thanks! 😄
Super great! As a drummer and a live sound tech, so many great ideas and thoughts about micing up a drum kit. Invaluable info! Lol @ the part where he compresses the overheads getting the best sound ever. "wow thats amazing, I'm so good!"
Good Job. Gentlemen. Darrell's my man. I remember helping him get going back in 1986 when he was 14! He has done very well !! He was sharp back then - and very very funny :-)
On the preferring the whole kit sound. I've noticed that engineers like yourself often the che's special is the choice of snare & hats. Combined with the choice of overhead setup, room + room mics. Often the boss-level mics are dedicated to those roles (C12, U47/U67, Coles, AEA). Kick, snare, tom seems to be a bit more common in approach. Usually it's one of a handful of variations of mics in similar positions. But the difference is, home recordists don't have access to a snare and cymbal library, a lovely sounding large room or those high-end room mics. A decent close mic sound is cheaper / easier to achieve in a so so room. Which then sort of led to a close mic'd becoming the common drum sound for DiY home recorded indie music of the past 20 years. Then if you need the large studio drum room sound, might be better to go to a great studio.
Multiple microphones near each source is necessary when drums are recorded in the same room as other instruments are playing at the same time. Otherwise, the Glynn Johns approach is perfect. Often technicians have completely changed my dynamics with too many microphones.
This Pearl kit sounds really good! Those microphones on the toms have beautiful lo end and a lot of details. Never heard them before it's a nice surprise. Thanks for the video ;)
Great video, thank you so much for bringing this online! BTW Joey is an amazing musician who really "plays" his instrument and uses it as he wishes. One little thing though, in the video, the stereo overheads are flipped arround L and R. You can hear when Joey hits the symbal on his right hand side (drummers perspective), in the video you can hear it being panned R. As the rest of the kit is panned in the video from the FOH engineers perspective, maybe best to turn these around as well.
I’ve got lots of thoughts on this video. My biggest takeaway is “drums are drums” after hearing him claim this actualization for each piece of the kit. Secondly, I had the privilege of seeing Stagecoach in Santa Cruz and San Francisco back to back shows while in my senior year of my undergrad at CSU Monterey Bay. He was such a great drummer. There was a point I remember - don’t remember the song - might have been Novocain Hurricane - when the band would hold their fists up and Stagecoach would drive that train - chug a chug a chug with black magic smoke filling the Warfield and the SC Civic Auditorium… it was around Valentine’s Day, so it must have been 1997. Drummers need to learn to listen to their own playing in terms of a recordable instrument that “playing to the room” you are. In with the other elements or instruments involved, if any, engineers can make drummers incredibly more versatile as players that are great performers as well as easily translatable recording artists. I suppose they are two different things. Drummers should be required to at least learn how to record drums in an array like this to see how complex it can be. Or they should relegated to the stereotype of being the least brainy of the band. Also … having Joey to just play like that gives the engineer an unfair advantage. Also … buy an MPC and forget about this antiquated craft (jk).
This was so good! Thank you for this! Can anyone tell me what video production company put this all together though - would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
This is the content every audio brand should be making.
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So freaking agree. The amount of insight that’s given here is amazing! Thank you thank you thank you!!! Now to ge a hood of their new “Snare Mic”
YES
if youtube had a "super like" button that could only be pressed once every five years, i'd press it right now.
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There is a reason he is so successful, He's genuinely a really nice person.
In a world of triggers this is refreshing. Power toms, no response bass drums heds and that doesn´t care! It sounds good. As a 34+ years drumming I love that. Simplicity and SOUND. That matters. Great job, guys.
We are so glad you enjoyed it!
For the love of God do hundreds of these please!!!!
Who wouldn't want to work with Darrell? The credits he has, and the achievements, and he is as laid back and affable as you could imagine. You can tell he absolutely loves what he does. Excellent video!
This video is pure gold. Joey Waronker it a killer drummer and love the personal, friendly tone of this whole video. Some awesome insights too.
We are so glad you enjoyed it, David!
One of the best sound engineering video I’ve ever seen. The best part of this is that I understand everything they are talking about👍
For some of it. A lot of it was just fartin' and flip-flappin'.
Gotta say - our job as engineers is so much easier when we have a musician like Joey who knows how to play their instrument so well! For the sound he's going for he is striking the drums/cymbals perfectly. A lotta drummers don't know how bad they're making their kit sound by how they hit it. And no, softer isn't always better. But here it's wonderful. Great kit, tuned well, great mics, great player... it's hard to mess this up. Thanks for the video guys, loved it.
-Blair
100%! So glad you enjoyed it!
Dear lord I love the sound of this kit.
What a fantastic video. I will say though, thinner cymbals will almost always have have a lower pitch than their thicker counterparts, and be more washy with a longer, smoother decay. Thicker cymbals are bright and fast.
Fantastic!
Thank you 🥰
right at 49:45 Darrell is showing the snare "phase" between the top and bottom snare mic's. But he is also looking at the Kick's phase as well. Notice that the snares' transient attack start by going down. That is his phrase "The polarity is wrong" & "speaker is sucking, now the speaker is pushing" . He flips polarity on both the snare mics so they are now pushing up at the start of the hit.
I noticed this part, and I’m kind of stuck on it! I believe that it’s more common for the snare transient to start going down, how it was originally. I’ve heard it explained that it makes sense because the pressure of the drum head is first travelling away from the mic, creating a negative waveform.
I think it’s more important to match the snare polarity to the Overheads than it is to always start the waveform in the positive direction, but would love to hear some other opinions.
The drum sound itself may not be super modern and rock sounding, but I love it personally. It reminds me of obscure prog records of the 70s.
delightful. love seeing a lefty kit in studio. Joey's a treasure of a drummer and I learned so much from Darrell. I feel like you made this video just for me.
We are so glad you liked it 🥰
Ha- I can't believe I didn't even notice it's a lefty kit setup - guess coz I've been playing and recording my own lefty kit(s) for 30 years and it just looked NORMAL. Lol.
Man for something that's not supposed to be a "how to" video it's still a clinic for me. love love love, thanks guys.
We are so glad! 😄
These guys are 'surgical' about mic placement alone, not to mention when the signal get to the board.
Joey Waronker!
I just completed the third full viewing of the video. 💚
This was amazing. Satisfying when you see pro's explain things you've experienced-found-felt yourself for years. The big room sound that so many people THINK they want moment especially.
Totally! If you listen to the session files, you hear the room even in the direct mics only.
When Darrel said "It's just rad as fuck dude!" Is why we all do this.
Great drummer, great room, great mics.
Absolutely incredible! I love what he said about using the overheads as whole kit perspective, Ive been on that for a few years now two. I just bought myself into the Lauten family! I just got the LA120s and did some recording with them yesterday! Thank you all so much for all the incredible work you all did for us!
That's amazing!! Welcome to the family, Brandon!
Dude. I use my overheads for the kit perspective as well, I must have stumbled upon this nugget at some point. My name is also Brandon and I also got a pair of the LA120's recently. Have only had a chance to use them as a Hi hat and Ride close mics, but they are great.
@@westbrad6808 haha! What dude no way, that is bonkers!
@@LautenAudio thank you! Can’t wait to buy more ha! I want the Tube Condenser is that the 320?
@@buhlir I too want to spend all of my money on Lauten mics. This just gets crazier and crazier. We might be doppelganger's. Honestly, I don't wanna know.
That's the same as the "Peter Chris" kit. Same thing man. Love this
Favourite artist, Favourite producer
Amazing. Thanks for doing this quality video.
We are so glad you like it!
I've watched a lot of videos on miking and recording drums and this was probably one of the best I've seen in a while. Thanks for posting this. I learned a lot.
Thanks so much! We are so glad you enjoyed it.
Wonderful engineer and musical drummer.
Thanks for making this and letting us all enjoy it!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
We are so glad you enjoyed it!
“You got a lot of feet goin’ on”
This is the engineer’s life encapsulated.
love love love my LA-120's. I've got them spaced pair OH setup in a small room, and with the hi/lo filters, they have given such a beautiful capture of my kit and room without processing too. Amazing mics!
We are so glad you love them!! Thanks for being part of the family!
Lauten is my favorite mic company bar none, and I own many of the greatest mics ever made. Now all I have to do is start filming my sessions so I can get their attention.
You already do! Thanks so much for being such a huge supporter and part of the family
This is great! As a compete novice who has no idea what I am doing, I'm proud of the fact that I figured out on my own that the angle of the close mic on toms and snare that I arrived at agrees with Darrell's assessment. I'm micing a kit for the first time (well really the 2nd time, 1st time s over a decade and I knew even less, and had less and worse mics to work with), I put on isolating headphones and I just move the mic around with my hand to see where the attack and "bloom" ratio sounded best. Also in experimenting with a room mic, I discovered that the low LDC mic (U47 clone) set back about 6 feet or more from the kick drum and about 1 foot or less off the ground sounded killer. I agree it sounds like it's moving air.
Cool stuff. I'm determined to make a decent sounding record in my basement with a few good mics and a 10 Ch interface and plugins. It's what I have to work with for now. I guess that's the challenge, but I am learning and having fun.
Incredible video! One of the best videos for drum recording, in my opinion. So much crucial information!
We are so glad you enjoyed it!
You guys make some nice looking mics.
Also, really enjoyed the editing, particularly during the control room part where you differentiate the difference between the board feed and what the lav mics are picking up. Should be an industry standard for this kinda thing
Thank you so much. Our Creative Director, Ronnie, rocks!
@@LautenAudio Go Ronnie Go!
Man I scour RUclips for these types of videos and this is one of the most well made, informative, interesting and inspiring drum recording videos I’ve ever watched. Cudos guys. Incredibly well done & obviously amazing drum sounds going on.
We are so glad you enjoyed it!
What a great job you all did! Loved this.
We are so glad you loved it 😃
I think it’s interesting that it was never mentioned that this mix is technically audience perspective since Joey plays a lefty drum kit , but that to most of us this is perceived as ‘drummer’s perspective with the hats on the left and the toms descending to the right 🧐🧐🧐🧐
This is straight off the board, so it's not a mix. But it's an interesting conundrum because Joey is a lefty, but the person listening might not know it 😅
I’m loving all this incredible information. What A great video 👏🏽🔥🔥🔥. That legendary 208 & 308 noise rejection 👍🏾
Thanks so much, Jesus!! We love your videos too!!
Those Lauten Mics sound truly amazing. Very directional and a great "curve" to them. Super Phatt.
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Great to see a real deal music statement!! No e drums, pads, samples, and plastic BS!!
Drums and mics!!! Bless you guys!!
Seen Joey with Roger Waters twice already, the man is a beast! Killer drummer!!
We are so glad you enjoyed it, Bruno!
Wow. This is incredible and full of gold. Thank you for sharing knowledge and experience. Love it.
We are so glad you enjoyed it! 😃
This was so well done & insightful! Thanks so much for making this. Time to buy some more Lauten mics!
We are so glad you liked it, Ian 🥰
This is pure gold.
We are so glad you like it!!
This was so great. Thanks guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!😊
So much gold in this video!! Love my LA 220's (from Blair Sinta's masterclass)! Y'all rock
Zac!! We are so glad ☺
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, you rock!!
Thank you for watching!!
When this goes into the control room, I keep thinking the mics on the drums have some sort of phasing issues, but then I keep having to remind myself that it's his lapel mic as he's wheeling around different mixing positions 🤪😂 Lovin all the videos in this series, tho! Hope to see a lot more, and thanks! 😄
This is rad, honestly. Much appreciated. 🙏🏼
We are so glad you enjoyed it!
Wow. This is an incredible resource. I love my series black mics and dream of the day when I can afford more Lauten Audio mics.
We are so glad you love them! 😃
Love this! Thank so much!
We are so glad you enjoyed it!
YES
Super great! As a drummer and a live sound tech, so many great ideas and thoughts about micing up a drum kit. Invaluable info!
Lol @ the part where he compresses the overheads getting the best sound ever. "wow thats amazing, I'm so good!"
Thanks for watching !! 😃
So glad I clicked
We are too 😊
Just sold me on a pair of 220s. Thanks 🙏
Long ago I told Joey he should start a company and call it "Joey Division"
LOL, amazing
Should we tell him there’s a gig with Moog Cookbook just waiting for him to do that? 😁
Very informative and fun to watch. Can't say I would ever tune my drums like that..but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. (or their ears)
So much juicy, dynamic tone, captured in a great space!
First I read "Milking the Snare", i was like Wtf I don't do that
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i love joey waronker. one of my biggest inspirations behind the kit
Joey is amazing!
Killer sounding kit
Good Job. Gentlemen. Darrell's my man. I remember helping him get going back in 1986 when he was 14! He has done very well !! He was sharp back then - and very very funny :-)
Thanks Rafa! Darrell says hello!
Darrell is a sweetheart. Don’t let his vicious demeanor fool ya! 😂😂😂
Awesome Film - Darrell is the 21st Century equivalent of Geoff Emerick - nobody’s doing it better ❤️✖️
On the preferring the whole kit sound. I've noticed that engineers like yourself often the che's special is the choice of snare & hats. Combined with the choice of overhead setup, room + room mics. Often the boss-level mics are dedicated to those roles (C12, U47/U67, Coles, AEA). Kick, snare, tom seems to be a bit more common in approach. Usually it's one of a handful of variations of mics in similar positions. But the difference is, home recordists don't have access to a snare and cymbal library, a lovely sounding large room or those high-end room mics. A decent close mic sound is cheaper / easier to achieve in a so so room. Which then sort of led to a close mic'd becoming the common drum sound for DiY home recorded indie music of the past 20 years. Then if you need the large studio drum room sound, might be better to go to a great studio.
Pure gold!
The concert or power Toms sound stellar. Thanks for this. This is very interesting.
So glad you enjoyed it! 😄
This is great, really valuable. Was interested that he threw up the overheads without measuring to the snare for the phase. I guess thats experience 😅
amazing video. the best I ever seen about getting the drums sound right!!!
Wow, thank you so much!
Watching it already 5 or 6th time and always catching something new. @@LautenAudio
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Multiple microphones near each source is necessary when drums are recorded in the same room as other instruments are playing at the same time. Otherwise, the Glynn Johns approach is perfect. Often technicians have completely changed my dynamics with too many microphones.
My favorite quote from Darrell is at 58:22, "...but we're not done here at "Camp Chaos." 🤘
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Beautiful video, excellent products! I'm slowly building up my lauten collection,.. got the 308s.. more to come!
We are so glad you enjoyed it, and thank you so much for being part of the family!!😃
What a great video! Thank you for doing this. I do use the LA-220 on OH and they sound great!
So glad you liked it and that you love you 220s!!
@@LautenAudio And thank you for the multi tracks. I'm comparing the sounds against my LA-220s!!!!
@@myhomerecordingexperience Crazy how good they sound in that room!
Thanks for This amazing Video 👍🏼
Glad you liked it!😊
Guy's got phenomenal instincts and great feel.
Excellent tutorial. very well explained with your theory...Kit sound fabulous
holy shit these drums sound rad. thanks for sharing!
Love this. Thank you!
Enjoyed every second!
I like how even the pros are like “idk it just be like that” 9:00
"It's just rad as fuck, dude!" Ha! Love it.
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Second favorite quote😂
I love Pearl Fiberglass kits, I'm piecing one together atm.
imagine capturing this beauty and then throwing a DE-Reverb to it
You should download the session files and try it! You never know what might happen.
That was great, love it all, very informative, awesome people, wasnt sure if you mentioned it, but are those phenolic shells ? Thanks a lot !
Thank you so much, that was phenomenal.
We are so glad you enjoyed it!
that was interesting. i play drums too. sounds very good! i love how he could not stop playing....
He literally couldn’t stop. Too much fun😂
Well confident and such an impressive result!!
This is an amazing video! Very instructional and absolutely awesome. Well done all!
We are so glad you liked it!!
goddd sounds so good
I love my 308,s 208 and 120,s!
We are so glad 🥰
Great video guys, well done!
Thanks so much, Radi!
THANK YOU GUYS!
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Very informative! Thanks for some good knowledge.
“Rad as fuck” indeed! Put that on merch…
This Pearl kit sounds really good! Those microphones on the toms have beautiful lo end and a lot of details. Never heard them before it's a nice surprise. Thanks for the video ;)
Thanks for watching. We are so glad you enjoyed it!!
Great video, thank you so much for bringing this online! BTW Joey is an amazing musician who really "plays" his instrument and uses it as he wishes. One little thing though, in the video, the stereo overheads are flipped arround L and R. You can hear when Joey hits the symbal on his right hand side (drummers perspective), in the video you can hear it being panned R. As the rest of the kit is panned in the video from the FOH engineers perspective, maybe best to turn these around as well.
The Room ST is inverted too
Such a masterclass here. Love that room miking technique. I gotta try that!
So glad you enjoyed it!
I’ve got lots of thoughts on this video.
My biggest takeaway is “drums are drums” after hearing him claim this actualization for each piece of the kit.
Secondly, I had the privilege of seeing Stagecoach in Santa Cruz and San Francisco back to back shows while in my senior year of my undergrad at CSU Monterey Bay. He was such a great drummer. There was a point I remember - don’t remember the song - might have been Novocain Hurricane - when the band would hold their fists up and Stagecoach would drive that train - chug a chug a chug with black magic smoke filling the Warfield and the SC Civic Auditorium… it was around Valentine’s Day, so it must have been 1997.
Drummers need to learn to listen to their own playing in terms of a recordable instrument that “playing to the room” you are. In with the other elements or instruments involved, if any, engineers can make drummers incredibly more versatile as players that are great performers as well as easily translatable recording artists. I suppose they are two different things. Drummers should be required to at least learn how to record drums in an array like this to see how complex it can be. Or they should relegated to the stereotype of being the least brainy of the band.
Also … having Joey to just play like that gives the engineer an unfair advantage.
Also … buy an MPC and forget about this antiquated craft (jk).
thank you so much for this. subscribed
Thank you!! So glad you enjoyed it!!
@@LautenAudio and I will watch again
I feel blessed by this video!
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This was so good! Thank you for this! Can anyone tell me what video production company put this all together though - would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
Thanks so much. This is all done in-house.
Thanks guys ! This is really amazing sound 🔥🔥🔥👍
Glad you like it!