They're going to have to change the layout of the track. There was major construction done to the southern side of the track (stadium area) that ruined the original layout.
@@autbo A course around the Seattle Center would be sick though... Narrow, twisty, bumpy roads with complex intersections offering for interesting corner opportunities with the city's most recognizable landmarks (the Space Needle, the Pacific Science Center, and the MoPOP) front and center!
The problem is that the Seattle track can't be replicated anymore, many parts and traces of the original track have been rebuilt, closed, demolished, or so.
This realism-fictional thing is stupid, we dont have the tracks that helped make GT the franchise that it is, yet again we have futuristic non-existing cars that nobody cares about them
@@HSGAutomotive I know they are used but I feel that's the same situation with the tracks, if they were to be the classic tracks we used to have, it would be a matter of poliphony putting them in nations cup and such for them to be used as well. I may be wrong about nobody wanting VGT cars but I'm sure if the old tracks had the chance to be used in game they would be used by a lot of people. After all we all have different preferences, but I don't think they should not add these classic tracks because they don't fit because from a point of view also VGT cars don't fit. Sorry for the longboi rant and for the grammar 😅
I remember reading an old interview that Kazunori Yamauchi did. He said that the old tracks like Deep Forest are actually in the code for GT Sport. However, he said that porting the tracks from the older games proved tricky due to resolution and modelling. In-game models like rocks, bumps and rumble strips became massive physical barriers, and it proved too difficult to fix. He said they had to build those tracks from the ground up which was too labour intensive, and it was too late since they were already too deep in to creating the other tracks (I. e resources already spent on researching landscapes for fictional tracks). Maybe we will see then again one day
Another thing he added was that most of the OG tracks don't fit in the FIA regulations. So, they would have to "smooth out" everything and make it more lifelike.
@@andrewmat If a game is not enjoyable, it loses all meaning of its existence. So yes, it has to be enjoyable. That does not take away from what you are saying, it has to generate profits, but one of the ways to earn profits is by making a fun game. GT sport doesn't seem like a fun game to me, but it's just my opinion.
It's a consumer racing game, not even sponsored by the FIA as whole except for a few special events in real life. They aren't even constrained to having content from specific championships. Real professional simulators and I'm not talking about hardware, are not available to the public and the vast majority of the data they use have been acquired in house by the manufacturers themselves. The so called simulators prized by sim driving hobbyists such as iRacing, Assetto Corsa and rFactor2, all of which are more realistic than Gran Turismo/Forza aren't in the same tier.
New York, Seattle, Seoul, Driving Park, Grand Canyon, Apricot Hill, Grand Valley, Valencia, Infeneon Raceway, El Capitan and more! Still play this game sometimes!
fairlight_z it does have hong kong (with broken map view), complex string (broken track graphic patches) and a couple of rally circuits (broken driving line) but they're hidden and need a hack to access them
@@aaryeshg.6526 The Hong Kong one only works with emulators, doesn't it? And the other tracks...aren't city courses '^^ But I'm aware of the unfinished ones, I wished they would have made the game they planned to do (gt 4 port with some of the newer cars), especially the Hong Kong track...
@@enyawgaming569 oh yes man, know what you talking about. I was storming on that track with my favorite Corvette C5R, and attacking that first left corner at max speed was orgasmic.
I have these circuits in muscle memory. I'd play a lot more if they were still part of the game. Agree with you on the reasoning (FIA / eSports / Business), but it's not a solid reason for them not to be in there... especially for those of us who modded their PS1 to get the Japanese Gran Turismo release!
Grand Valley was actually based off of a real track that was abandoned in the US. Tracks I’d wanna see back Tokyo Route 246 Special Stage Route 11/5 Seattle Circuit Grand Valley Speedway Trial Mountain Apricot Hill Red Rock Valley
I think that Gt sport be better to add official circuits like: Silverstone, Laguna seca, Road America, Yas marina, Hockenheimring, Sonoma race way, Montecarlo circuit, ecc...
@@sh0ryualfa393 They can't. The admins at Spa are asking a surreal amount of money for licensing. If you noticed, PD had developed this track long ago and it shows in the intro of Spec II.
The reason is always the same: Money. They no longer care about the fun aspect and want to be more serious because they think they can make more money. This is how franchises fall. They end up ignoring the people that made them successful in search of more success. They are trying to build a mansion with an ever deteriorating foundation. The more they invest in the framework, comfort, and attractiveness of the mansion, the more time is given for the foundation to give way and the more the mansion itself becomes a liability.
Christian Ewing The counter arguement to that though is that all of the "DLC" has been free. They could of charged a couple of quid each update, or a season pass if they wanted to...
But GT Sport is pretty darn successful as of now, the game is solid with content coming in every now and then, and its successful as an e-sports title as well. If anything GT Sport is doing really well in comparison to its competitors.
@@Zootopia96 true but that doesn't mean they don't have any microtransactions. Most of GTAVs dlc if free too yet the online experience was still ruined by Rockstars greed.
Christian Ewing Agreed GTA5 is a pay to play for any of the more casual players (me). The two new fastest supercars now costing almost 3mil... But you'd have to be a complete madman to use microtransactions on GTS. You can earn money quickly, you'll never need more than a mil for LMP1s in the weekly races. And theres a chance of winning a car erveryday. Cant ask for much more. To your point of them losing touch with the fans, i can respect your point. Yes they have gone more down the route of more competitive racing online, which has taken away from the "Campaign" and fun side of GT. So I get it, but I enjoy the racing you now get with the community, rather than having to find a lobby that might have good racers.
El Capitan (and Cathedral Rocks), Grindalwald, Amalfi, Smokey Mountain N & S, and all of the city Stages (yes, even SS 11) are great tracks that are tied to geographical locations. I also always liked to imagine what the locations of other circuits would be, and feel like it wouldn't be to hard to officially give them ones; Trial Mountain (my personal fav since day 1) can a northern Japan toge road turned race track, Apricot Hill and Autumn Ring can be somewhere in the UK, Red Rock Valley can be either in the western US or in Australia, etc. I feel that not including classic original tracks is less of an issue realism or geographical recognition, and more of the time and effort needed to redesign and remap older tracks to modern standards. Plus, a lot of older tracks can be seen as interchangeable with current ones; Miss the Special Stages? Well now there's Tokyo Expressway. Miss Red Rock? Well now there's Blue Moon Bay. Miss [insert track here]? Well now we have the actual track that that one was based off of. I think GT7's original tracks (because it'd be dumb Not to have original tracks) will more than likely be ones they have more current versions of (GT6 & GTS specifically) with /maybe/ a couple of oldies for nostalgia sake. Just a thought. This was a really long comment...
Seattle Circuit is my favorite... I really wish it would come back in GT even though it no longer exists irl - which I hope that doesn’t hurt the chances
@@SynysterJak well, it’s probably true that trial mountain will be in GT7 because it’s used in the trailer. So we might be able to hope for more tracks like the classics
I was 7 when GT1 arrived. I've been hooked from the start. If the original polyphony circuits don't come back, I'm going to have some sort of breakdown. It's not really a full Gran Turismo without those amazing tracks. I hope they all make a return in the next game, at least. Otherwise it just wont satisfy. I hope they know how much everyone wants them back.
I love GT Sport, but for sure I was dismayed to find no Trial Mountain, Deep Forest, Grand Valley etc. Those were *fantastic* tracks and it would be brilliant to have them back again.
It's because of the FIA's regulation on tracks. Asides from SSRX, it seems like they're leaning more into original tracks than fictional ones. There's this one time where Kaz was interviewed and he *did* say that some of the original Tracks *are* in the game's code, but wasn't able to do it properly as porting GT6's model over to GTSPORT took a huge turn (barriers not working as barriers, physics were wonky, etc.) and having to remodel the whole track from the ground up would take a lot of time (it was when GTS was fairly new to the scene / just released). There's a possibility that they already have the tracks ready in their studio, but are waiting to bring it out on GT7 since that game will stick closer to the traditional games from GT1-6 without these FIA regulations they have to maintain. Speaking of original tracks, now that we have SSRX, I hope they bring in SSR5, SSR7, and SSR11 as well. Remember, if you look at SSR5's surroundings in GT6, you will see that the scenery SSR5 is *_completely unfinished._*
I love many real circuits, but High Speed Ring, Apricot Hill, Grand Valley Speedway, Special Stage Route 5, Red Rock Valley Speedway are all in my heart and I would love to see them back... But hey, many of these can be geographically located, in my head canon, Grand Valley and Red Rock Valley are both in US for me, Midfield is in Japan, Apricot feels European, I can't place HSR or SSR5, though, maybe SSR5 can be put into Singapore? who knows? Seriously, I love Apricot Hill, Grand Valley and Red Rock Valley, and Special Stage Route 5 is the best city circuit ever created, that parabolica-like first turn is pure genius!
Personally, Id be OK if Midfield didn't come back as its kinda been re-imagined as Kyoto Driving Park (if im thinking of the correct track). If they kept the main features of other tracks and adopted a real world location and re-imagined them again, id be fine with old tracks coming back in that way. Maybe add a few alternate routes to some, change the backdrop, flattened some out a bit, id be OK with that. Deep Forest and Trial Mountain in particular would have to be flattened out a bit as the way they were in GT6, they were too arcadey to be fit for e-sports.
I flippin LOVED the high speed ring and the twin rings motegi tracks. Btw, that first car in the video at the beginning was one of my FAVORITES ! So many wins on and offline with that car. Great handling plus fast as hell.
High speed ring was my go to for testing the performance of my new cars, cars I've modified, and different tunings to see how they affected the vehicle. It was all around a phenomenal test course but I think it's rather bland as a racing course. There just isn't really many corners to give the opportunity to make risky overtakes or anything of that nature, it's just whoever has the most power.
I am a long time fan of the Gran Turismo Series and racing games in general. The polyphany originals that were in the early Gran Turismo games like Grand Valley Speedway and Deep Forest Raceway are some of my favorite tracks in the series. They are one of the big reasons why I usually fire up an older Gran Turisom game when I take a vacation from work. As to why some of the original tracks are not in the new games I think it is just a matter of the fact that the real world tracks make the game seem like more of a simulation racing game to some people and Gran Turismo was always marketed as a simulation racing series as opposed to an arcade series like Need for Speed. Sure I would like to see the orginal tracks included in the next Gran Turismo game but if Polyphony doesn't put them in the game I still have all the older Gran Turismo games in my collection and ready to play. This is why you never throw away or trade in classic video games.
Absolutely Loved these tracks that made GT what it is today. Some incredible lap times contested for hours upon end having winner stays on beating times with cars set up through the Car setting, engine mapping and Gear Ratios. We loved Trail Mountain, Grand Valley Speedway, Apricot Hill Special Speed (night) Autumn Ring
The big problem with GT SPort and GT7 too is that there aren't even that many actual real track. The track list still lacks so many iconic world famous or even cool real tracks. The lack of iconic fictional tracks has never been filled so of course people want them back.
I've actually copy pasted, links to your channel on the official granturismo youtube channel, why The GT development team or polyphony need to find you, your insights on issues affecting the franchise is relevant and could rescue the game from future development problems like, out of touch with fans conceptualizing
Haven't played the original Gran Turismo but in gt2 if you get passed, the rest will all pass you in one large caravan of cars. It was kinda stupid lol, still love the game tho.
Oh how I miss trial mountain, Deep Forrest and grand valley. My friend and I would play for hours upon hours. Even when we got fed up of racing each other in split screen we’d set time attack style fast laps and see if the other could beat it. We’d switch using each other’s tuned cars and make small suspension adjustments to suit your driving style and the vehicle just to get that last tenth. Oh man these tracks were amazing.
Applying the concept you explained, besides Pikes Peak how can we predict the introduction of real life dirt/snow tracks? Maybe doing partnerships with World RX Championship and Trophée Andros?
I think Polyphony won't have any problems adding the original circuits. They can just add a description where are the circuits (for example let's say Grand Valley is in Japan, Autumn Ring in UK and Deep Forest Raceway in USA) and add more details to the background of the circuits.
You read my mind, I hope they add Laguna Seca, one of my favorite tracks. I understand what you’re saying about getting the interest of new people or sponsors into the game, but they should also cater to players like us, the ones who’ve been playing since day one, since the first release of Gran Turismo.
My favorite track is High-Speed Ring, but I can't find a specific track that I don't like from GT1 through GT4. I like the idea of using fictional tracks in an online competition to see how new concepts and designs will perform... We usually criticize Mr. Tilke so much, we could give him some new ideas.
Of course it is the "e sports". I really think that stupid activity ruins the games, because you get a bunch of sweats that start taking it so seriously that you end up affecting the decisions that the developers make, usually foe the worst
From what I have been told, the circuits made by the GT team would not be in GT Sport because the FIA does not want to because GT Sport is the only set of FIA sports in a game created by Polyphone, so when they launched the next GT (I don't know if will call 7 but it is likely so because they will not waste so much time just for the subtitle) the world races and those invented by the GT team were already over. Cinseramente the Deep Forest could not put never had fun with her, the trail mountain, Apricot, mild fild, El capitan, Paris, (I prefer Paris than Madrid, the Paris track is much more challenging) all the rally tracks I have ever had existed, Tokyo, houkong, Auting Ring Grand Valley and X Route 4,5, X and 11 would be great if you go back in the next GT
I'm not a gamer nowadays but I have great memories of GT, 2, Concept, 3 & 4 . I would love it if Sony released a Gran Turismo console ,just with all the original Polyphony circuits & a nice selection of cars , especially the old JDM , European classics & American muscle cars .
I find it interesting that as FIA is adding more street circuits in real life (Baku, Singapore, and now Hanoi), that E-racing is moving out to the more pastoral tracks. I enjoy the vibe of street tracks, even if they drive me nuts sometimes. Mirabeau down to Portier may well be the stuff of which nightmares are made, but MAN, can racing get any prettier, scenically, than the French Riviera? I sometimes kinda geek out on roadways in general--I seem to have been born with a permanent case of wanderlust--and I find it interesting to see all the ways that they move so many vehicles, through such crowded spaces. The High Five in Dallas; the MacArthur Maze in Oakland; stuff like that. Those aren't built to race, of course, but the ebb and flow of big-city streets often gets me wondering, "If this were a race track..." So, put me in that crazy minority that enjoyed New York, Seattle, London, Madrid, Route 5, heck, even Route 11. There's only so much rolling greenery that I can take, y'know?
If I had a PS3 or the PS4 was backwards compatible, like the Xbox One, I'd just play GT6. Having a Rome Track is awesome. Plus so many cars and Goodwood Festival of Speed.
Trial Mountain, Grand Valley, Deep Forrest and Tokyo R246 are my absolute favourites from past games. It'd make me very happy to see any of those return, but I've given up hope of them coming to GT Sport.
My main thing is simply, in GT Sport, their is a lack of tracks in GT Sport, at least at launch. At launch, their was more fictional tracks than real ones to try and keep a balance I assume they didn't include more fictional ones. Then, for post-launch content, real tracks are a name which helps bring people back to the game. Everyone knows Le Mans, Goodwood etc., but only GT veterans know most of the fictional ones so to a proportion of the audience they mean nothing so it wouldn't bring players back.
That is one of the odd things though. There are several Original Circuits in GT Sport; they just seem to be done more in a "modern" style. The closest to one of the older courses is probably Alsace. As for historical context of some of those older-style circuits, the Monza banking was used up through 1969. Old Sap was used by F1 in 1970, and the FIA WSC up through 1975. FIA GT ran on the Montlhery banking in 1994-95. Or heck, Daytona opened in 1959, Talladega in '69; are those really, particularly less ridiculous than Brooklands? *Original Circuits in GT Sport:* Alsace Dragon Trail - Gardens Dragon Trail - Seaside Maggiore Sainte-Croix Sardegna - Road Track Two of those, Sardegna and Sainte-Croix, are done far more like a series of country roads strung together than a proper, permanent circuit, which isn't something that's been done anew for decades in the real world. I wouldn't really put Potrero de los Funes in that category at this point, so I'm looking at something like Tandil, also in Argentina, which was laid out and used in 1977-92. And then you have 3 loops of Tokyo Shuto Expressway, which,, a high-speed, elevated freeway is pretty much stereotypical video game material going back decades, even if it does have a geographical basis. And we know now that they can sort that part of it out, like putting Trial Mountain in the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California. However, I think this is the strangest bit, making up fictional ovals. I have a hard time believing that GT can get Indy and Daytona licensed, but not Bristol. Yet, Northern Isle from GT Sport is a knock-off of Bristol, or Winchester, or Salem, real ovals that exist and are actively used today. Blue Moon is kind of a shrunken Pocono, but not real, and less interesting than the real oval. Also, Pocono has several infield road course options. Not to mention, I think it's highly unlikely a 2.0-mile, high-banked oval would get built now; it wasn't even built 24 years ago when they laid out California Speedway at Fontana (only 14-degree corners). Texas World Speedway was the last one like that (22-degree corners), in 1968. Thinking about Broad Bean, If you wanted an irregular oval of a more basic type, look no further than Motegi or Darlington. Alternatively, you could look at Rockingham (UK) or video from CART in Rio. If you really wanted to go for it, go examine Sitges-Terramar or watch video from the old Trenton Speedway. And then there's the one you noted: Brooklands. El Capitan is an Original Circuit with a serious geographical, recognizable basis, not in a city, and also doesn't have the more ridiculous, abrupt elevation changes of an Eiger or Matterhorn. Grindelwald would probably just need a whole new circuit anyway, and to really get the vibe of the place could give you the same issues as Eiger and Matterhorn. Late to finding this channel, I know, but if they were to make more of a GT Sport 2.0, I find there to be too many logical holes and inconsistencies in the tracks that were chosen, and even made, for the first one to have a good idea of the selection criteria for another.
You should buy a pc and assetto corsa, both tracks are mods, gunsai touge is not great but goodwood hillclimb is perfect and goodwood circuit is there too
my favorite og & city tracks:: trial mountain, autumn ring, high speed ring, kart space I/II, apricot hill, mid-field, eiger nordwand,tokyo 246, ssr 5, ssr 5 clubman, rome
As of the originals: What about waking up the old tracks like the Monza oval from the dead? Or the old Avus track in Berlin which is still existing as a part of the highway including the original spectator‘s tribune which is still existing and now under reconstruction though no race is driven there. As of the semi fictional: I quite enjoyed the Hong Kong Track in GT 4 and the old Tokyo City Track!
I agree with your FIA argument and e-sports branding but the sad thing about that argument is that the fictional circuits are more fun and provide better racing then most real world locals. The basic track designs polyphony has come up with over the years are absolutely stellar. I think it would be an amazing idea to have a polyphony designed track to be made in the real world to show people the level of track design they wield. Lastly Deep forest raceway forever. Hands down my favorite track ever put in a game. Not to long, great flow and a real challenge to get every last tenth out of. A close 2nd and 3rd to Trial Mountain and Grand Valley speedway. These 3 tracks probably comprise 10% of all racing laps I've done in the digital world. They just never get old. GT4ever
I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention about rally and snow tracks as there were some classics in that category aswell.. stages like Tahiti maze, the pikes peak hill climb track from number 2, chamonix, grand canyon etc. Those are definitely some courses I'd like to see added
I know people would disagree and I kind of get why, but I always liked the Gran Turismo Originals, especially the Citytracks, so I don't need the real tracks at all, because at the end, it's just a circuit, but at least the originals have better sceneries and atmosphere than actual real life tracks (mostly)
I'm wondering if what they're going to do is keep sport as a separate series of the Gran Turismo games. They'll probably keep with the numbered games rotating original tracks and new ones, and maybe release a GT Sport 2 in the future when they get even better with simulation racing which would also add more real-life tracks, rather than their original tracks. This way they can keep fictional and realistic racing tracks a little more separated without losing the interest of certain groups
MR2 SW20, and MR-S ZZW30 GT300 cars would be awesome if they came back. Plus, the Espace F1 would be a fun event. Similar to the Redbull events on GT5.
I get why they want the realistic tracks but from an e-sports perspective wouldn't they be able to create super nice new challenges for drivers with fictional tracks that IRL aren't posible? Corners like the 360° corner from cape ring or the elevation changes from Deep forest and Trail mountain. We have these fictional race cars allready like the GR.1 tomohawk, why can't the FIA verify fake tracks to add some spice into the mix. I think a lot of the community would love that. It's like the entire E-sports thing forgets we are still essentially playing a game here. Edit: special stage route X is a fictional locationless track.
Anyone here miss the SEATTLE track? feels like its been forever since ive raced on it
Always had to put my shades on 😎
They're going to have to change the layout of the track. There was major construction done to the southern side of the track (stadium area) that ruined the original layout.
@@autbo A course around the Seattle Center would be sick though... Narrow, twisty, bumpy roads with complex intersections offering for interesting corner opportunities with the city's most recognizable landmarks (the Space Needle, the Pacific Science Center, and the MoPOP) front and center!
The problem is that the Seattle track can't be replicated anymore, many parts and traces of the original track have been rebuilt, closed, demolished, or so.
Yes. This is my most requested track. I love that track
This realism-fictional thing is stupid, we dont have the tracks that helped make GT the franchise that it is, yet again we have futuristic non-existing cars that nobody cares about them
I care about the VGTs... And some of them do exist.
RUBNR34 RUBNR34 Sure nobody really about them right ...
Except they are used. The X2019 is not a functional race car irl but is featured heavily in FIAGTC
@@HSGAutomotive I know they are used but I feel that's the same situation with the tracks, if they were to be the classic tracks we used to have, it would be a matter of poliphony putting them in nations cup and such for them to be used as well. I may be wrong about nobody wanting VGT cars but I'm sure if the old tracks had the chance to be used in game they would be used by a lot of people. After all we all have different preferences, but I don't think they should not add these classic tracks because they don't fit because from a point of view also VGT cars don't fit.
Sorry for the longboi rant and for the grammar 😅
I like the cars...would also like to see some of those old tracks again... Why can’t we enjoy both? 😉🖖🏻
"nobody races on a track that looks like High Speed ring"
Fuji Raceway: "am I a joke to you?"
lol
Midfield Raceway and Costa Di Amalfi were my absolute favorites
Midfield was one of my favourites too.
Will Mills your profile picture triggers me 😂😂
Weirdo.
Special Stage Route 11 needs to come back! Both versions!
That was a good course too! Love to see it return on the racetrack
@@gran_turismo_fan Even better would be combining Route 11 along w/ Route 5 to make a Special Stage Super Circuit.
Anyone wants the Route 7 back? I remember I did Wangan Midnight lobbies and man they were very exciting.
@@Its_Gabe_GT7 ok
I remember reading an old interview that Kazunori Yamauchi did. He said that the old tracks like Deep Forest are actually in the code for GT Sport. However, he said that porting the tracks from the older games proved tricky due to resolution and modelling. In-game models like rocks, bumps and rumble strips became massive physical barriers, and it proved too difficult to fix. He said they had to build those tracks from the ground up which was too labour intensive, and it was too late since they were already too deep in to creating the other tracks (I. e resources already spent on researching landscapes for fictional tracks). Maybe we will see then again one day
Shay I heard that somewhere else too. He said something that the scaling isn’t right. Like how some curbs are the size of cars and stuff
@@apexgt4 yeah that's right
Another thing he added was that most of the OG tracks don't fit in the FIA regulations. So, they would have to "smooth out" everything and make it more lifelike.
@@GTvsForza screw the FIA. they ruined formula 1 now they're ruining gran Turismo
Even the FIA manages to sabotage fictional circuits. smh
GT is a car driving simulator.The tracks don't need to be real,they need to be enjoyable to drive or race on.
GT is a product. It doesn't need to be enjoyable, it needs to bring profit, even though we may not like it
@@andrewmat If a game is not enjoyable, it loses all meaning of its existence. So yes, it has to be enjoyable. That does not take away from what you are saying, it has to generate profits, but one of the ways to earn profits is by making a fun game. GT sport doesn't seem like a fun game to me, but it's just my opinion.
It's a consumer racing game, not even sponsored by the FIA as whole except for a few special events in real life. They aren't even constrained to having content from specific championships. Real professional simulators and I'm not talking about hardware, are not available to the public and the vast majority of the data they use have been acquired in house by the manufacturers themselves. The so called simulators prized by sim driving hobbyists such as iRacing, Assetto Corsa and rFactor2, all of which are more realistic than Gran Turismo/Forza aren't in the same tier.
Finally, someone asking the real questions
Trial Mountain should always be in any Gran Turismo game.
Agreed
Yes
Strongly agreed. Such a nice track
It's back in gt7
And red rock valley and grinweld from 2
Gosh, I missed driving all those original circuits on GT PSP.
New York, Seattle, Seoul, Driving Park, Grand Canyon, Apricot Hill, Grand Valley, Valencia, Infeneon Raceway, El Capitan and more!
Still play this game sometimes!
@@ItsJustMetrion GT PSP don't have Seattle
@@Blueflag04 It has. The city courses gt psp actually missed (compared to gt4) were hong kong, george v and the special route stages.
fairlight_z it does have hong kong (with broken map view), complex string (broken track graphic patches) and a couple of rally circuits (broken driving line) but they're hidden and need a hack to access them
@@aaryeshg.6526 The Hong Kong one only works with emulators, doesn't it? And the other tracks...aren't city courses '^^
But I'm aware of the unfinished ones, I wished they would have made the game they planned to do (gt 4 port with some of the newer cars), especially the Hong Kong track...
Some of their original circuits are more iconic than real life circuits
Esports: the way to kill fun stuff
"eSpOrTs Is A jOb" no! its just an excuse to make games "advertising friendly"
Gran turismo sport is still great
As a casual FIFA player, I can confirm this is an across the board problem
It not even a sport to begin with. Its a blasphemy to the classic sport segment
I miss Red Rock Valley Raceway from GT2!!!
That was one odd yet fun track!
i just want deep forest and Grand Valley speedway :(
I want those city circuits too
And Seattle
Toxic Heat same here! Tokyo R246 and Seoul Central too right?
Deepthroat raceway was the best!
Solid Snake ...fuck you man
Midfield Raceway, Apricot Hill, Rome City Course, Tahiti Road...
Apricot Hill was my favorite. Used to fly into that first double left hander off the front straight like a mad man
@@enyawgaming569 oh yes man, know what you talking about. I was storming on that track with my favorite Corvette C5R, and attacking that first left corner at max speed was orgasmic.
Shit yeah apricot hill was one of my favorites, I remember doing an endurance race I'm a Nissan primera was fun as I miss that track!!
@@enyawgaming569 nothing like whipping your +1000hp TVR 12 Speed around that first corner at 150mph 😆
Cashing out on Tahiti road with the rally car..... times were good then haha.
If Grindelwald has a chance of coming back then maybe Eiger Nordwand has a chance coming back too.
I have these circuits in muscle memory. I'd play a lot more if they were still part of the game. Agree with you on the reasoning (FIA / eSports / Business), but it's not a solid reason for them not to be in there... especially for those of us who modded their PS1 to get the Japanese Gran Turismo release!
What was the difference?
@@ItsJustMetrion not a lot from the final EU release really. I was just too hyped amd impatient to wait for it - have been hooked ever since
The tracks are cool but what I really miss is the track editor. Rip gt6 touge
Rest in peace, my beloved Rollercoaster track. May I always remember climbing you with my glitched schwimmvagon
What if we build tracks like the Grand Valley Speedway in real life?
Maybe one day... Citta D'Aria will come back... One day 🙏
L.D.N.T Touge!
One of my fav. next to El Capitan. ❤️
Paridir Scarnatov If it weren’t for the 5 second-penalties I’d agree. Time trails were where it’s at.
I want costa di amalfi to come back
Citta D'Aria is badass track
Complex String . It would be so much fun seeing 16 or 32 cars speeding around it . Love the track .
That track is insane lol
special stage route tracks should come back and they should be based in japan since it already looks like it
Grand Valley was actually based off of a real track that was abandoned in the US.
Tracks I’d wanna see back
Tokyo Route 246
Special Stage Route 11/5
Seattle Circuit
Grand Valley Speedway
Trial Mountain
Apricot Hill
Red Rock Valley
Deep Forest. I always smashed any man alive there. I also like Grand Valley. Midfield. Apricot Hill . And Trial Mountain.
I'm your man 💪
I miss Trial Mountain SO MUCH...😫
I like Gt sport but it gets really boring with how few tracks there are
I agree it does get very boring
I would pay US29.99 for and add on pack with the classic virtual tracks.
I think that Gt sport be better to add official circuits like: Silverstone, Laguna seca, Road America, Yas marina, Hockenheimring, Sonoma race way, Montecarlo circuit, ecc...
@@sh0ryualfa393 yes Spa is already the next update october!!!
Macau and Cote d'azur please
Striker Alpha One but muh nations cup
@@sh0ryualfa393 They can't. The admins at Spa are asking a surreal amount of money for licensing. If you noticed, PD had developed this track long ago and it shows in the intro of Spec II.
@@WRS_Blackheart i dont know why they would show a track in the intro if it was NOT in the game. Thats a little too much bait and switch
My favourite original track is Grand Valley.
yes I love grand valley so much
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@@samuelsoares9508 Trial Mountain REPRESENT!
My favorite track in general is Clubman route 5
The reason is always the same: Money.
They no longer care about the fun aspect and want to be more serious because they think they can make more money. This is how franchises fall. They end up ignoring the people that made them successful in search of more success. They are trying to build a mansion with an ever deteriorating foundation. The more they invest in the framework, comfort, and attractiveness of the mansion, the more time is given for the foundation to give way and the more the mansion itself becomes a liability.
Christian Ewing The counter arguement to that though is that all of the "DLC" has been free.
They could of charged a couple of quid each update, or a season pass if they wanted to...
Oh man B U R N!
But GT Sport is pretty darn successful as of now, the game is solid with content coming in every now and then, and its successful as an e-sports title as well. If anything GT Sport is doing really well in comparison to its competitors.
@@Zootopia96 true but that doesn't mean they don't have any microtransactions. Most of GTAVs dlc if free too yet the online experience was still ruined by Rockstars greed.
Christian Ewing Agreed GTA5 is a pay to play for any of the more casual players (me). The two new fastest supercars now costing almost 3mil...
But you'd have to be a complete madman to use microtransactions on GTS. You can earn money quickly, you'll never need more than a mil for LMP1s in the weekly races. And theres a chance of winning a car erveryday. Cant ask for much more.
To your point of them losing touch with the fans, i can respect your point. Yes they have gone more down the route of more competitive racing online, which has taken away from the "Campaign" and fun side of GT. So I get it, but I enjoy the racing you now get with the community, rather than having to find a lobby that might have good racers.
I think we can all agree on this: No one wanted FiA in GT Sport
my favourite track is Deepforest Raceway
Best by far. Touge !
El Capitan (and Cathedral Rocks), Grindalwald, Amalfi, Smokey Mountain N & S, and all of the city Stages (yes, even SS 11) are great tracks that are tied to geographical locations.
I also always liked to imagine what the locations of other circuits would be, and feel like it wouldn't be to hard to officially give them ones; Trial Mountain (my personal fav since day 1) can a northern Japan toge road turned race track, Apricot Hill and Autumn Ring can be somewhere in the UK, Red Rock Valley can be either in the western US or in Australia, etc.
I feel that not including classic original tracks is less of an issue realism or geographical recognition, and more of the time and effort needed to redesign and remap older tracks to modern standards. Plus, a lot of older tracks can be seen as interchangeable with current ones; Miss the Special Stages? Well now there's Tokyo Expressway. Miss Red Rock? Well now there's Blue Moon Bay. Miss [insert track here]? Well now we have the actual track that that one was based off of.
I think GT7's original tracks (because it'd be dumb Not to have original tracks) will more than likely be ones they have more current versions of (GT6 & GTS specifically) with /maybe/ a couple of oldies for nostalgia sake. Just a thought.
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Just give me Trial Mountain, Deep Forest, and SS Routes 11 and 5, and I'll be a happy man.
all the love for apricot hill. that needs to become a real world kart track
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Hopefully they make a return in gt7. I miss Seattle and AC can only do so much
Seattle Circuit is my favorite... I really wish it would come back in GT even though it no longer exists irl - which I hope that doesn’t hurt the chances
@@SynysterJak well, it’s probably true that trial mountain will be in GT7 because it’s used in the trailer. So we might be able to hope for more tracks like the classics
I was 7 when GT1 arrived. I've been hooked from the start. If the original polyphony circuits don't come back, I'm going to have some sort of breakdown. It's not really a full Gran Turismo without those amazing tracks. I hope they all make a return in the next game, at least. Otherwise it just wont satisfy. I hope they know how much everyone wants them back.
I love GT Sport, but for sure I was dismayed to find no Trial Mountain, Deep Forest, Grand Valley etc. Those were *fantastic* tracks and it would be brilliant to have them back again.
Grand Valley was such a great track 😞
It's because of the FIA's regulation on tracks. Asides from SSRX, it seems like they're leaning more into original tracks than fictional ones.
There's this one time where Kaz was interviewed and he *did* say that some of the original Tracks *are* in the game's code, but wasn't able to do it properly as porting GT6's model over to GTSPORT took a huge turn (barriers not working as barriers, physics were wonky, etc.) and having to remodel the whole track from the ground up would take a lot of time (it was when GTS was fairly new to the scene / just released).
There's a possibility that they already have the tracks ready in their studio, but are waiting to bring it out on GT7 since that game will stick closer to the traditional games from GT1-6 without these FIA regulations they have to maintain.
Speaking of original tracks, now that we have SSRX, I hope they bring in SSR5, SSR7, and SSR11 as well. Remember, if you look at SSR5's surroundings in GT6, you will see that the scenery SSR5 is *_completely unfinished._*
Seattle hasn't been in the franchise for four games now, we probably won't be seeing it again.
I miss Seattle...that was one track that was as fun backwards as forwards
I know it's really unlikely, but I'd really love to see Special Stage Route 7 again, I mean we got Route X so I don't see why route 7 can't come back.
I would like it, love it if we all held up a copy of the original game disc and to polyphony..." this is the game we all fell madly in love with".
I love many real circuits, but High Speed Ring, Apricot Hill, Grand Valley Speedway, Special Stage Route 5, Red Rock Valley Speedway are all in my heart and I would love to see them back...
But hey, many of these can be geographically located, in my head canon, Grand Valley and Red Rock Valley are both in US for me, Midfield is in Japan, Apricot feels European, I can't place HSR or SSR5, though, maybe SSR5 can be put into Singapore? who knows?
Seriously, I love Apricot Hill, Grand Valley and Red Rock Valley, and Special Stage Route 5 is the best city circuit ever created, that parabolica-like first turn is pure genius!
Am I the only one who adored the Hong Kong and Seattle circuits?
I actually miss deep forest ☹
In GT Sport, if you go in any race into "race settings", you will see an icon of one of the original tracks next to "swap tracks".
I'd love to see an special stage night super circuit and my nostalgical high-speed ring back to GT games.
Pescarolo, my second favourite LMP of all time.
The first being the Lola-Aston Martin B09/60
Grindelwald was one of my favorites, Seattle nd Tokyo r246 were awesome too
Personally, Id be OK if Midfield didn't come back as its kinda been re-imagined as Kyoto Driving Park (if im thinking of the correct track). If they kept the main features of other tracks and adopted a real world location and re-imagined them again, id be fine with old tracks coming back in that way. Maybe add a few alternate routes to some, change the backdrop, flattened some out a bit, id be OK with that. Deep Forest and Trial Mountain in particular would have to be flattened out a bit as the way they were in GT6, they were too arcadey to be fit for e-sports.
I flippin LOVED the high speed ring and the twin rings motegi tracks. Btw, that first car in the video at the beginning was one of my FAVORITES ! So many wins on and offline with that car. Great handling plus fast as hell.
High speed ring was my go to for testing the performance of my new cars, cars I've modified, and different tunings to see how they affected the vehicle. It was all around a phenomenal test course but I think it's rather bland as a racing course. There just isn't really many corners to give the opportunity to make risky overtakes or anything of that nature, it's just whoever has the most power.
I am a long time fan of the Gran Turismo Series and racing games in general. The polyphany originals that were in the early Gran Turismo games like Grand Valley Speedway and Deep Forest Raceway are some of my favorite tracks in the series. They are one of the big reasons why I usually fire up an older Gran Turisom game when I take a vacation from work. As to why some of the original tracks are not in the new games I think it is just a matter of the fact that the real world tracks make the game seem like more of a simulation racing game to some people and Gran Turismo was always marketed as a simulation racing series as opposed to an arcade series like Need for Speed. Sure I would like to see the orginal tracks included in the next Gran Turismo game but if Polyphony doesn't put them in the game I still have all the older Gran Turismo games in my collection and ready to play. This is why you never throw away or trade in classic video games.
Absolutely Loved these tracks that made GT what it is today. Some incredible lap times contested for hours upon end having winner stays on beating times with cars set up through the Car setting, engine mapping and Gear Ratios. We loved Trail Mountain, Grand Valley Speedway, Apricot Hill Special Speed (night) Autumn Ring
High Speed Ring was my test track for all my cars in gt5/6. Miss that track so much. Fun and simple
Bring back Red Rock Valley!
The big problem with GT SPort and GT7 too is that there aren't even that many actual real track. The track list still lacks so many iconic world famous or even cool real tracks. The lack of iconic fictional tracks has never been filled so of course people want them back.
Bring back Autumn Ring mini! The only circuit where we can beat Newbie driven Ferrari with a Mini Cooper. :P
I’m scared that if they bring them back they will ruin them. Like make trial mountain full of run off areas because if it was real it wouldn’t work
The need them back!!!!!! Specially deep forest. Mountain trail and Seattle
I suspected laguna speedway would return to gt sport ages ago and still suspect it would
Yeah Laguna Seca is a badass track...they could bring Sonoma (Sears Point) back too and not hurt my feelings, ha!
I actually can't understand why Laguna Seca isn't in the game already. I can only assume licensing problems.
@@kujiko88 i know right?
Mazda no longer hold sponsorship of Laguna Seca. Could that have something to do with it?
Well...
I've actually copy pasted, links to your channel on the official granturismo youtube channel, why The GT development team or polyphony need to find you, your insights on issues affecting the franchise is relevant and could rescue the game from future development problems like, out of touch with fans conceptualizing
Haha, I appreciate your confidence in my ability to do that, but it 'aint gonna happen.
My childhood is trying to get the dodge viper around Laguna Seca. ❤️❤️🏝️🏝️
Back in GT1 with the horrendous AI, I can remember at age 15 how fun the Autumn Ring was with the 90hp cars. Would love to see that come back.
Haven't played the original Gran Turismo but in gt2 if you get passed, the rest will all pass you in one large caravan of cars. It was kinda stupid lol, still love the game tho.
Oh how I miss trial mountain, Deep Forrest and grand valley. My friend and I would play for hours upon hours. Even when we got fed up of racing each other in split screen we’d set time attack style fast laps and see if the other could beat it. We’d switch using each other’s tuned cars and make small suspension adjustments to suit your driving style and the vehicle just to get that last tenth. Oh man these tracks were amazing.
Applying the concept you explained, besides Pikes Peak how can we predict the introduction of real life dirt/snow tracks? Maybe doing partnerships with World RX Championship and Trophée Andros?
I think Polyphony won't have any problems adding the original circuits. They can just add a description where are the circuits (for example let's say Grand Valley is in Japan, Autumn Ring in UK and Deep Forest Raceway in USA) and add more details to the background of the circuits.
Grand valley and autumn ring were both set in the US
@@mattyg267 how you know?
You read my mind, I hope they add Laguna Seca, one of my favorite tracks. I understand what you’re saying about getting the interest of new people or sponsors into the game, but they should also cater to players like us, the ones who’ve been playing since day one, since the first release of Gran Turismo.
Well, your wish was granted. It's in the game now :D
My favorite track is High-Speed Ring, but I can't find a specific track that I don't like from GT1 through GT4.
I like the idea of using fictional tracks in an online competition to see how new concepts and designs will perform... We usually criticize Mr. Tilke so much, we could give him some new ideas.
I want the full good wood hillclimb loop!!!😭
Of course it is the "e sports". I really think that stupid activity ruins the games, because you get a bunch of sweats that start taking it so seriously that you end up affecting the decisions that the developers make, usually foe the worst
From what I have been told, the circuits made by the GT team would not be in GT Sport because the FIA does not want to because GT Sport is the only set of FIA sports in a game created by Polyphone, so when they launched the next GT (I don't know if will call 7 but it is likely so because they will not waste so much time just for the subtitle) the world races and those invented by the GT team were already over. Cinseramente the Deep Forest could not put never had fun with her, the trail mountain, Apricot, mild fild, El capitan, Paris, (I prefer Paris than Madrid, the Paris track is much more challenging) all the rally tracks I have ever had existed, Tokyo, houkong, Auting Ring Grand Valley and X Route 4,5, X and 11 would be great if you go back in the next GT
I'm not a gamer nowadays but I have great memories of GT, 2, Concept, 3 & 4 . I would love it if Sony released a Gran Turismo console ,just with all the original Polyphony circuits & a nice selection of cars , especially the old JDM , European classics & American muscle cars .
I find it interesting that as FIA is adding more street circuits in real life (Baku, Singapore, and now Hanoi), that E-racing is moving out to the more pastoral tracks.
I enjoy the vibe of street tracks, even if they drive me nuts sometimes. Mirabeau down to Portier may well be the stuff of which nightmares are made, but MAN, can racing get any prettier, scenically, than the French Riviera?
I sometimes kinda geek out on roadways in general--I seem to have been born with a permanent case of wanderlust--and I find it interesting to see all the ways that they move so many vehicles, through such crowded spaces. The High Five in Dallas; the MacArthur Maze in Oakland; stuff like that. Those aren't built to race, of course, but the ebb and flow of big-city streets often gets me wondering, "If this were a race track..."
So, put me in that crazy minority that enjoyed New York, Seattle, London, Madrid, Route 5, heck, even Route 11. There's only so much rolling greenery that I can take, y'know?
Autumn Ring, Trial Mountain, Deep Forest, High speed ring, Apricot Hill and El Capitan.
man, I love Deep forest, Opera Paris, Citta di Aria, Ice Arena, Eiger Nordwand and Circuito de Madrid. Still play Gt4 every now and then.
High Speed Ring is an awesome track, I'd watch 'real cars' race there.
If I had a PS3 or the PS4 was backwards compatible, like the Xbox One, I'd just play GT6. Having a Rome Track is awesome. Plus so many cars and Goodwood Festival of Speed.
But route x is fictional right? And that came back and where is that geographicaly based?
Indeed - *one* circuit. Not exactly comparable to the list of location based ones.
I mean they brought back Route X which isnt based anywhere. I think if they bring back an Original, probably going to be Deep Forest
I hope they fix the issue with Deep Forest Raceway coming to GT Sport
Trial Mountain, Grand Valley, Deep Forrest and Tokyo R246 are my absolute favourites from past games. It'd make me very happy to see any of those return, but I've given up hope of them coming to GT Sport.
My main thing is simply, in GT Sport, their is a lack of tracks in GT Sport, at least at launch. At launch, their was more fictional tracks than real ones to try and keep a balance I assume they didn't include more fictional ones. Then, for post-launch content, real tracks are a name which helps bring people back to the game. Everyone knows Le Mans, Goodwood etc., but only GT veterans know most of the fictional ones so to a proportion of the audience they mean nothing so it wouldn't bring players back.
Deep Forest, Sierra, Autumn Ring and Eiger Nordwand. That’s all i want, PD
TRIAL MOUNTIAN IS BACK IN GT7!!!!!! It's been renovated a bit though.
That is one of the odd things though. There are several Original Circuits in GT Sport; they just seem to be done more in a "modern" style. The closest to one of the older courses is probably Alsace.
As for historical context of some of those older-style circuits, the Monza banking was used up through 1969. Old Sap was used by F1 in 1970, and the FIA WSC up through 1975. FIA GT ran on the Montlhery banking in 1994-95. Or heck, Daytona opened in 1959, Talladega in '69; are those really, particularly less ridiculous than Brooklands?
*Original Circuits in GT Sport:*
Alsace
Dragon Trail - Gardens
Dragon Trail - Seaside
Maggiore
Sainte-Croix
Sardegna - Road Track
Two of those, Sardegna and Sainte-Croix, are done far more like a series of country roads strung together than a proper, permanent circuit, which isn't something that's been done anew for decades in the real world. I wouldn't really put Potrero de los Funes in that category at this point, so I'm looking at something like Tandil, also in Argentina, which was laid out and used in 1977-92.
And then you have 3 loops of Tokyo Shuto Expressway, which,, a high-speed, elevated freeway is pretty much stereotypical video game material going back decades, even if it does have a geographical basis.
And we know now that they can sort that part of it out, like putting Trial Mountain in the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California.
However, I think this is the strangest bit, making up fictional ovals.
I have a hard time believing that GT can get Indy and Daytona licensed, but not Bristol. Yet, Northern Isle from GT Sport is a knock-off of Bristol, or Winchester, or Salem, real ovals that exist and are actively used today.
Blue Moon is kind of a shrunken Pocono, but not real, and less interesting than the real oval. Also, Pocono has several infield road course options. Not to mention, I think it's highly unlikely a 2.0-mile, high-banked oval would get built now; it wasn't even built 24 years ago when they laid out California Speedway at Fontana (only 14-degree corners). Texas World Speedway was the last one like that (22-degree corners), in 1968.
Thinking about Broad Bean, If you wanted an irregular oval of a more basic type, look no further than Motegi or Darlington. Alternatively, you could look at Rockingham (UK) or video from CART in Rio. If you really wanted to go for it, go examine Sitges-Terramar or watch video from the old Trenton Speedway. And then there's the one you noted: Brooklands.
El Capitan is an Original Circuit with a serious geographical, recognizable basis, not in a city, and also doesn't have the more ridiculous, abrupt elevation changes of an Eiger or Matterhorn. Grindelwald would probably just need a whole new circuit anyway, and to really get the vibe of the place could give you the same issues as Eiger and Matterhorn.
Late to finding this channel, I know, but if they were to make more of a GT Sport 2.0, I find there to be too many logical holes and inconsistencies in the tracks that were chosen, and even made, for the first one to have a good idea of the selection criteria for another.
Why can't you have both? Also, I'm in love with doing time attacks. I'd want Gunsai Touge circuit, or even the Goodwood hillclimb!
Exactly
You should buy a pc and assetto corsa, both tracks are mods, gunsai touge is not great but goodwood hillclimb is perfect and goodwood circuit is there too
Used to love the majority of tracks from 1-4 (never played on 5 or 6), but Seattle, High Speed Ring, SSR11, and Red Rock Valley were my favourites
Still no reason why my absolute favourite El Capitan isn't coming ...
The original Gran Turismo tracks were some of the best fictional tracks created for any racing game.
All the city tracks, we need them back. I will not be surprised if there will be a city circuit update, because that’s what GTs still lacks.
my favorite og & city tracks:: trial mountain, autumn ring, high speed ring, kart space I/II, apricot hill, mid-field, eiger nordwand,tokyo 246, ssr 5, ssr 5 clubman, rome
As of the originals: What about waking up the old tracks like the Monza oval from the dead?
Or the old Avus track in Berlin which is still existing as a part of the highway including the original spectator‘s tribune which is still existing and now under reconstruction though no race is driven there.
As of the semi fictional: I quite enjoyed the Hong Kong Track in GT 4 and the old Tokyo City Track!
That Hong Kong track was aids
I agree with your FIA argument and e-sports branding but the sad thing about that argument is that the fictional circuits are more fun and provide better racing then most real world locals. The basic track designs polyphony has come up with over the years are absolutely stellar. I think it would be an amazing idea to have a polyphony designed track to be made in the real world to show people the level of track design they wield.
Lastly Deep forest raceway forever. Hands down my favorite track ever put in a game. Not to long, great flow and a real challenge to get every last tenth out of. A close 2nd and 3rd to Trial Mountain and Grand Valley speedway. These 3 tracks probably comprise 10% of all racing laps I've done in the digital world. They just never get old. GT4ever
Damn, Seattle circuit, high speed ring, deep Forrest, Grand valley... Such great tracks.
I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention about rally and snow tracks as there were some classics in that category aswell.. stages like Tahiti maze, the pikes peak hill climb track from number 2, chamonix, grand canyon etc. Those are definitely some courses I'd like to see added
I know people would disagree and I kind of get why, but I always liked the Gran Turismo Originals, especially the Citytracks, so I don't need the real tracks at all, because at the end, it's just a circuit, but at least the originals have better sceneries and atmosphere than actual real life tracks (mostly)
I cant survive without Suzuka and Interlagos, but at same time, Grand Valley, Deep Forest and Trial Mountain are soo good, i miss them.
I'm wondering if what they're going to do is keep sport as a separate series of the Gran Turismo games. They'll probably keep with the numbered games rotating original tracks and new ones, and maybe release a GT Sport 2 in the future when they get even better with simulation racing which would also add more real-life tracks, rather than their original tracks. This way they can keep fictional and realistic racing tracks a little more separated without losing the interest of certain groups
MR2 SW20, and MR-S ZZW30 GT300 cars would be awesome if they came back. Plus, the Espace F1 would be a fun event. Similar to the Redbull events on GT5.
Cheers Mike, hard to argue with your reasoning here. Eiger short track for me, go to drift track, so many hours, so many cars.... :)
I get why they want the realistic tracks but from an e-sports perspective wouldn't they be able to create super nice new challenges for drivers with fictional tracks that IRL aren't posible? Corners like the 360° corner from cape ring or the elevation changes from Deep forest and Trail mountain. We have these fictional race cars allready like the GR.1 tomohawk, why can't the FIA verify fake tracks to add some spice into the mix. I think a lot of the community would love that. It's like the entire E-sports thing forgets we are still essentially playing a game here.
Edit: special stage route X is a fictional locationless track.