@@JP-Watch_Addict I have experienced this three times in London with ADS a year ago when asking for a Rolex they basically laugh AT you,offer no explanation,offer nothing in way of why and how else they can help and this is coming in one instance from a woman who is only a shop assistant and myself who had upto £7000 to spend.
Edward R I was just asking a genuine question as I visited a couple of AD’s in London, Just trying to work out why @goonermike67 experience was so bad that if he’s got Rolex RRP monies (let’s face it no discounts) why go straight to Omega.
@@rp-wn5or so you believe that this business model is sustainable? Interesting but I think that eventually it has to catch up with you. Perhaps I am wrong.
@@dab7963 I’m not sure either but just an example of where it has worked is hermes with their kelly and birkin bags. I’m sure there are companies where it hasn’t worked but it IS Rolex…only time will tell. But I will admit that if I’m to beg for a Rolex, I’d rather save up and get a patek even if it means waiting YEARS. Might as well, right?
No. There, just saved you 8 minutes of your life. It is actually harder to buy a Swiss Made watch in Switzerland, since having the opposite would mean every moderately rich guy in Europe paying a
When I was studying marketing ages ago, I had a module on retail and branding. They explained how certain luxury brand purposely antagonise and frustrate their customer to trigger this response were the customer will feel humiliated and so he will spend more as a way to demonstrate his wealth and social status. It’s a kinda nasty psychological trick that relies on the social insecurity or personal insecurity of the consumer. It works with everyone, not just rich people, but for them I guess is even worst. Guess when you are rich, time is the most important resource you have.
I have no idea why anyone would get on a waiting list to buy a luxury watch. Luxury is an experience. I own two rolexes and will never ever get on a waiting list for anything. Nobody makes me fucking wait when I’m the one that’s paying.
I'm fed up with these brands especially Rolex. Wish people would just give up on them ( i know this won't happen) see how quick things would change when nobody wants to buy their product anymore.
I don't get why people buy into this nonsense. It's such a turnoff and reminds me of how Enzo Ferrari treated his customers. Disdain and disregard for your client base should lead to bankruptcy. There are so many great watches out there that aren't from these 3 abusive brands.
@@watchcraft thanks. I respect Enzo's and Ferrari as a company's accomplishments, especially in Formula 1. But I don't think it excuses treating people like shit. That's why even though I don't care for the VW Lamborghini of today, I love that the company was started as a middle finger to Enzo personally. Same with these Swiss companies. They have beautiful timepieces, but the price and the lack of customer service do not justify this.
@@cdb5001 Loved Ferrari in the Formula 1 as well. Schumi was my guy! I must say though that I only had bad experiences with Rolex. Patek and AP might not have sold me watches, but they treated me very nicely. Not comparable to Cartier though. There you feel like a king. Customer service is through the roof.
@@watchcraft I'm a Seiko guy myself, with a family, I can't justify wearing thousands of dollars on my wrist, although I do hope to one day pick up a Grand Seiko spring drive. I hated Schumi but respected his skill. He and Ferrari were so dominant for so long, but I admit, I was a Hakkinen/McLaren fan.
The largest Rolex AD in The Netherlands told me that all Daytona watches they receive go directly to the directors of the company for them to "allocate"! Can just imagine the shady deals that goes down and favours called in exchange for Daytonas! Quite despicable! At the same time, our grey market stores are stocked to the brim with all the hard to come-by pieces and what they don't have they'll get for you within a couple of days!! Go figure what's really going on!!
Rolex designs are boring and repetitive with very few cosmetic and material changes. Submariner, Sea Dweller, GMT Master, EXPLORER II, Deep Sea, all share the same dial. I don't regret selling my Rolex watches and switching to other brands. Rolex produces 1 million watches per year, where is the exclusivity factor? Paying $20k for a steel watch that shouldn't cost more than $4K is ridiculous, let alone the whole "mafia-style" behavior of ADs. The demand for Rolex It's all artificially created.
I had $25,000 to spend on a two tone submariner, and a Pepsi GMT tudor..., I'm not one to buy into this inflated prices.., in the end you have to be realistic..., if you can only afford steel/two tone models then you definitely shouldn't take the risk of paying more than retail. if you can afford a solid gold watch then it is not issue for you. I'm in the steel to 2 tone range..., and after waiting a year and not getting anything.. even though i made it clear to multiple AD's I was willing to spend 25k on not so rare watches..., i just gave up and put the entire amount on my mortgage. Don't buy into hype..., when shit goes south your the one that's left with the overpriced watch.
Agreed, Jason. No one should ever pay over retail for a watch that still is in production. How do you like your Tudor? I've never worn one but I'm affraid it might be too thick.
Rolex, Audemars, & Patek could easily increase production of these high demand models. They don't because they want to feed the hype. A concert promoter once told me, "If I'm booking a band and 3 people will come to see them, I'll book the venue that only seats 2." It's a manufactured scarcity. Stop being treated badly by these brands. Just say no.
You're right. Shortage lies at the core of any luxury product. If they'd increase production, they would devalue the brand, which is the most valuable part of the whole operation.
Another reason not to feel bad is that if you are in the market for such a piece, you likely still have a place to live and food to eat. Always good to stay positive!
The irony is you can virtually get all the three watches as many as you wish on C24, which means authorized dealers sold them to grey market dealers and watch manufacturers are actually quite happy with such an arrangement.
Yes that's a shame. I'm aware that Rolex handles it that way. But Patek and AP as well? Don't they just have many private customers who flip the watches to grey market dealers?
It would be a frosty friday in hell before I wait on these companies for a watch..it is a created scarcity to drive up prices...no thanks..there are many other beautiful watches to be had.
Seems strange to have to beg someone to give them tens of thousands of Euros. If only there was a way for all of us to boycott these brands and have them beg us to buy their products.
In the U.S. buying a Rolex is a joke. My local AD had 2 steel no date Subs in stock, and wouldn't let me buy. They were saving them for "preferred clients". Took my cash to the omega boutique. won't give Rolex a cent for the way I was talked down upon.
Rolex is the point where someone dead become alive. People that after Aquanaut probably had 4-5 Rolex Sport watches, if they can’t get it they are still a fine human. But people that after Rolex mostly are coming from Modern People in slavery cycle that want to escape from the hunger game trap; they will do whatever it takes to get Rolex.
Same thing here, Ryan. But in my opinion not Rolex is to blame, but the AD's. Rolex needs to get a tighter grip on them and enforce some customer appreciation and stop the selling to grey market dealers. The AD's hurt the Rolex brand with their bad behaviour.
@@watchcraft Hi Watchcraft, in the area I live, Rolex dropped these small mom and pop stores as ADs: stores that helped build their company to what it is today. If the ones they've kept are misbehaving, they've got no one to blame but themselves. I like the Tudor Black Bay Blue, but I refuse to give Rolex any more of my money.
Got to admit - about a decade ago, I went to an AD in a mall south of Seattle, and asked to try on a two-tone blue Sub. I was very upfront about how I was in no financial condition to buy that watch (although I might consider buying something from a lower-cost brand like Tissot, which they also carried), and that I just wanted to see how a Rolex felt on my wrist. They not only let me try it on, but tried to talk me into letting them work out a financing deal, so I could take it home that day. I turned them down, because I knew that taking on such a debt load at the time would be foolish if not disastrous - but, I have to admit, I now wish I had taken them up on that offer, because, although it would make the next few years a lot more difficult financially, I could have probably sold that watch right now at a hefty profit…and because, now that I'm at a point where I _could_ have swung such a purchase, the shortage and subsequent prices on the gray market mean I likely never will again.
I guess best positive news from this video is they don’t discriminate. They laught at you equally for asking to take your money for steel sports models.
@@watchcraft, I understand and they have so many models to choose from but, if you can find one that appeals to you, meets your needs, and you can live with that, why not give Omega a shot? I just read somewhere that Omega released some beautiful Speedmasters in yellow gold and I saw one Seamaster Professional with a chocolate brown dial and in yellow gold. Sort of reminded me of a cross between a Datejust and Submariner. And you can probably get them at the Ad instead of having to wait years for a Rolex Pepsi or Daytona. At least you were able to pick up a Hulk. Since you are looking to get a GMT Master two, Omega makes the Aqua Terra GMT. It's a beautiful time piece. The dial pops. Believe me, I'd love to get a Pepsi or Batman-Bat Girl ( I own a Submariner and Datejusdt 41mm) but only way is through Grey Market Dealer and prices are way over retail.
Seiko produce beautiful watches and also no waiting list. But you don’t feel privileged if the watch is so easy to get. The harder to get the more you want.
Just buy a watch which is 50% under retail off Chrono24 like a rose gold Omega Seamaster or Breitling Navitimer or even a Hublot Big Bang. Looks like a better deal to me than a stainless Rolex GMT @18-19k.
I find it humiliating to try to crave a Rolex. If Rolex only wants to sell to VIPs, let them have their own little playhouse for perverted people. I spend my money on companies that value their customers. Building a market due to denying customers a purchase is sick. I also do not see buying a used Rolex for double the price as interesting. Boycott Rolex - let the brand rot and lose value. Ignoera Rolex. (I can see that your glasses do not fit well on your face - I also have some problems with plastic frames - better get frames with "saddles" for the nose)
@@rolexmike LOL! I'm not a Rolex nerd, so I had to google OP, and I can see it's a boy's watch, or lady's watch. 34mm. I can imagine retailers wanting to get rid of these models because demand is minimal. It is common knowledge that it is basically impossible to buy a nice 39-41mm Rolex watch - but you do not seem to want to understand.
It will probably be like in -91. The Swiss watches hit a brick wall. I remember in the late -80 when I tried to buy a day-date at a Swedish AD. They laughed at me then and said I will never be able to get an all gold for list again. In -93 I bought one at the same AD with 15% discount.
i have full gold and platinum Rolex and some DJ with diamonds and I will never ever buy any Rolex again coz its dishonest experience now with this brand.If not me , so who is the preferred customer? im collecting Richard Mille only now :)
How sad and shocking. I used to spend a lot of time in Zürich in the ‘80’s. Walked into many shops on Bahnhofstrasse and came out with exactly the watch I wanted, 2 Datejust, 1 stainless and 1 stainless and gold, IWC Ingenieur, Cartier and Omega dress watches. I remember an Arab gentleman at the viewing table next to me at Rolex asking if there were volume discounts. The attendant told him politely, “The House of Rolex does not offer discounts.” Now, it seems, they do not even offer watches.
No respect for yourself, I will never and ever give so much money to someone that has 0 consideration about me. I had the same experience in Italy when I was looking for the Rolex sub, gmt or Daytona, I ended buying an Omega Seamster 300m and I still live happily since I bought it with almost 25% of discount.
It’s quite clear to me, and probably everyone, that the reason you are never hearing from these ADs is that your doing everything wrong that you can possibly do wrong. Walking in randomly with no purchase history and then expecting to get the super hyped pieces. What should the long time and loyal customers think if you would get such a watch before maybe them?…..
If I really wanted one I would go to the grey market rather than attempt to form a “relationship” with a bunch of salesmen who have a bloated sense of power
some of them are really into the art of watchmaking so you can bond over that. then it's actually fun to form the relationship. but yes, stay away from those who just care about their sales.
I guess we are there now. I have few Rolex already but I wish to get an AP. I’ve just put my name for RO grey 15510ST. Do you think 🤔 I would get it soon, because of the market conditions ?
I find all things Rolex to be annoying at an ever increasing rate. Dealing with their dealer network is boring & irritating, to be frank so are watches for the most part (I say that as an owner of a gold Rolex Daytona & a YachtMaster II) imo particularly when there are so many more things to do and items to buy with 5 figures - one should be worth 7-8 figs net & liquid when looking to buy a Rolex imo personally I go with a 1% rule for such things but this is another story, back to the point I was trying to make, try spending your money elsewhere, somewhere you’re treated well, ideally to do something far more exciting.
Nice to hear this. I also go by the 1% percent rule. Unless it's a watch that is going to appreciate like crazy. Most people work harder on appearing rich, than on actually getting rich.
U have to buy 10-20k in jewelry and some not so hot rolex watches to get bumped up. AD's don't make lot's of money off Rolex hence they use the hot pieces as a reward for good customers.
The thing is there are so many people chasing the same pieces they inadvertently make themselves victims ... If people sailed their own ship and didn’t feel the need to follow the crowd then this wouldn’t be so common . Personally I would much rather have the overseas above any of the mentioned and this is readily available..
I got my Rolex Daytona in Basel during a conference in 2004. They all (Flagship Stores) put me in the waiting list. Had Coffee in a Base-Stadt Cafe near the University and was being served by a Filipina who was married to a Swiss National. We had a nice chat and invited me for dinner with her family because I gave her a local delicacy called Dried Mango which she had craved for many years. I asked her husband where he got his Daytona and he hooked me up with a Filipino who was working in Rolex. He gave me a letter and I got my Daytona! No waiting list with the base price. I guess I was very lucky being a Filipino.
@@watchcraft Yes. spent more 100 Swiss Francs on my excess baggage from Luftansa so it was worth it. I should have bought 2 and sold the other hahahaha
I have been to Cebu, staying in a 5 star resort. There are many (I have seen about 10 ) young Filipino wearing Nautilus and Rolex driving Italian sport cars. But just outside the hotel wearing Rolex or Patek without bodyguards, it’s very dangerous; it is very bad, you can get kidnapped and need pay million $ ransom.
It’s a known thing not secret in the world of watches even in Asia too, all the .. yes all ! All AD will secretly operate or co-operate with grey market dealers (secondary/preowned market) to sell the watches for higher profits outside the retail shops, if not how could all the preowned shops in my country possessed all the brand new Rolex, Patek AP watches there ???
I got the black ss Daytona a week before it closed, I asked to be in the waitlist for the white ss Daytona and they said they would put me in, do you think I will get it eventually from my AD
Out of all the Rolex models the Daytona probably is the one that's hardest to get. So congrats on the black one, you're a lucky man! I'd say you won't get the white one. But I would have said the same about the black if you would have asked me before. So what do I know? :-D
I just hate those AD. They are acting like Gods. Cant wait the time (and now is very close) that demand will be lower then supply. When that happens I will not dream to buy anything from them ever again...will just go gray market for lower price
Until 2020 it was in the industry for more than 20 years and the best dealers have all 4-5 of the most popular watches in stock. However, these are reserved for the best customers, those who buy watches for several hundred thousand euros or in another currency every year. If these customers also need a simple Submariner as a gift, they don't want to hear, we'll put them on the waiting list and we'll get in touch in 4 years. This then feeds the vanity and importance of these customers. Normally the waiting list is 4 years but really only for you we will set everything in motion and 1 or 2 weeks later the customer will be called that the watch that was in the warehouse for him has arrived. In principle, regular customers are always preferred to the real waiting lists. The industry consists only of vanity and self-importance.
Same everywhere . I asked about a Daytona in Geneva in 2017 and they said five years back then , also they don’t want tourists buying the top models when they already have good local customer of their own
Based upon your live experience and according to some RUclips videos made by respectable people you should know by now that waiting lists are fraud ! That expression is used mostly just to calm down undesirable customers ! Strong and favourable relationship with your dealer is the only way to get the most wanted timepieces ! And you already know that ! Anyway, your video is an honest confession that disspells ilussions ! By the way, I would wery much enjoy listening to you speaking mundart ! P.S. That Patek shop in Zurich - it was Beyer, wasn't it? And Rolex shop in Zurich - Bucherer, probably?
Thanks man. I'm affraid the audience for Mundart watch videos would be quite small :-) Actually I visited more than one Patek store in Zurich, don't quite remember to which one I was referring to. The Rolex shop was Bucherer, correct. But I had a good experience there. The one that treated me badly is not in Zurich.
I was lucky and purchased a Rolex Explorer in NYC in January, 2020...Right place at the right time....But, no such luck since....so....you know what I did? I bought a beautiful Tudor Black Bay while in Geneva, and I was able to walk into a Tudor AD dealer, try it on, like it, and, lo and behold, actually purchase it. What a pleasure, and I love wearing it as an everyday watch...Yes, the "wanting" is as big a deal as the "getting" in some people's minds and I love my Explorer, but why play this silly wait list game or worse pay double to some grey market extortionist, when you can buy a beautiful time piece when you want? Yea, Tudor (yes, I know they are owned by Rolex).
i have traveled to many countries and all the Rolex AD told me no stocks for any steel sports watch. Sounds crazy, but i think all of them just sold to the grey dealers to make a quick buck. There is no point visiting AD anymore
You are right, in some countries they seem to sell a big part to grey market dealers. Here in Switzerland though I get the feeling that most ADs just sell to long lasting clients that have a relationship with them. So find a trustworthy AD and become a trustworthy client. Then the hot pieces will become available for you.
Sorry, but there is no shortcut to getting any watch faster. You either suck it up and ask politely and treat the sales people like human beings and not like your enemy, or you leave and write hate comments on social media. I got a Batman in 2016 after a few weeks wait and this year a DJ41 Wimblendon after around 3 months. Order for a OP41 is registered and looking to pick one up next year and ordered another BiColor Roségold GMT Master CHNR. I mentioned I am aware about waiting and it’s ok for me. Last month I visited the Patek AD and registered my interest for an Aquanaut and I don’t mind 3 years of waiting, cause I need to get the cash first.
@@watchcraft indeed, a very nice watch. The Full Roségold GMT would be even nicer, but CHF 36.500,- is currently a little bit too much. But it’s on the wish list, maybe for the 50th birthday, that’s another 10-11 years.
@@babakganji1045 my husband walks in wearing his presidential rolex and chit chat a while with the SA that he's been wanting the 40 ever rose gold with green face, they told us 2yrs waiting. long story short, we about to walk out, the SA brought out Daytona the new model 2021.
@@springday5679 Business perspective it doesnt make sense. Ive spoken with several ADs and they all say that the daytona is reserved for people with a big purchase history. The ADs are all under pressure to sell undesirable models. Why would someone simply walk in and get a daytona when they can bundle it with other jewelry, other expensive watches or even fully diamond rolex models with someone else? Of course anything is possible but financially it doesnt make sense for the AD to do it.... Some ADs told me $100k+ and others $500k+, I guess depending on the city.
@@babakganji1045 That's what I thought too. We just got back from Paris, we went to 3 different ADs none has Daytona nor submariner. When we got back home, my daughter went out on dinner date with her old friend from high school and she saw he has GMT backman on his wrist she took a pic of his watch and told her dad about it. That's how we end up going there to ask for daydate rosegold 40 in green dial. We didn't even ask for Daytona.
I got so fed up with the attitude of Rolex, I spent my money on a lovely motorbike instead. Great fun for weekends! I wanted to buy a Submariner in steel. When I asked if they had one, they looked insulted. Terrible customer service from Rolex. They have a very bad attitude towards potential new customers. I know they don’t care, but I will never buy a Rolex now. Lee from the U.K.
These brands have created the hype so much thinking that people cant live with out it. Come on there are so many other brands which sell watches that are really good and in superior quality
I have modern and vintage watches. I have 5 watches I rotate so really dont need another because I prefer to wear my watches for a month at a time and hate hoarding . I have, Zenith, IWC, Omega and really want a Rolex Pepsi. It is sad that Rolex does not care about their customers, I personally will never pay double retail for a watch. Who knows maybe the call will come but Im not holding my breath
I bought my Omega Seamaster 120 automatic in Geneva in 1971. New, with the beads of rice bracelet it was $63. Total rebuild at the Swiss factory with new dial face and crystal was under $300 in 1989. They were already out of stock of the NOS bracelet so they offered me a Rolex bracelet that I declined. Last I checked a factory rebuild is $1250 plus cost of parts. Now that I am retired I am afraid I might not be able to afford that. I seem to be happy enough with the Omega on a display shelf and wear an Invicta Pro Diver that I am not afraid of damaging.
But Larry, that's too nice of a watch to not wear and enjoy. I would put it on a James Bond Nato strap. Will cost you about 20 Dollars and looks fantastic. I use that strap for my Submariner. And don't worry about damaging. A vintage sports watch is supposed to show some scars.
@@as114 lol they were both English for tax reasons they manufactured it in Switzerland and they are also registered as a charity, the reason I mentioned it because alot of people think they are swiss.
Hi. Like Your videos. Like Your style. Have 2 questions. What do You think of Tudor? I'm looking to buy my first entry level lux everyday / sports watch around 3000$. Thinking Black Bay or Longines diver. Do You sqat, lift, bench or all? Will appreciate an answer.
Thank you, glad you like the videos. I like Tudor. You basically get Rolex quality for half the price. So if you like the style of the Black Bay, go to the store and try one on. Longines makes good quality watches as well, but I wouldn't call it a luxury watch. I'd go with the Tudor in your case. Myself I started with a Rolex and only got into cheaper watches when I already had a good collection of luxury pieces. Wearing a 50 Dollar watch while having a few Rolexes at home just feels great :-) while it doesn't feel so great if that's your only watch. I squat/bench/deadlift every day. love it. you too?
macht glaub kein unterschied ebd uf de liste bisch oder nöd. ich bin sit 2 jahr uf dä pepsi "liste" und han no nüt ghört. wirde au nüt ghöre sofern i vorher nöd es paar anderi sache det kaufe.
In 2016, I bought an AP, RO, OS, QE II Cup Hong Kong 2016 Chronograph, in Rose Gold and Forged Carbon over the counter at an AP Stockist here in Central, Hong Kong .... Now .... The same stockist has just empty glass tables and counters .... To buy a new premium watch now is an impossibility ....
After spending a lot of time and money to feed this passion / obsession over the last 20 years, I have been on both sides of this equation. After spending enough money buying easier to get pieces from Cartier, Panerai, etc., I finally "graduated" to be given the opportunity to buy a Pepsi (with name engraved on the back so I can't flip it) and a few months later, an aquanaut travel time before the world shut down for COVID. I've been lucky enough to have my name bubble up on the list that's high enough so that they would consider me... Great marketing. Make the cheaper watches harder to get so you have to pay full price for the more expensive ones just so you get the chance that one day, you can be so lucky to buy one for list price. So, if you think about it, you'd be better off buying the pieces from the grey markets for 20 to 25% more online. Take away the stupid taxes you get to save, the net is only 10% to 15% difference. You get to wear that dream watch in 48 hours. There's some value in that...
I'll do a video on that soon Max :-) But basically it boils down to the fact that most AD's have at least one of each hot piece in their store. They are just holding it for VIP's. Now you have to either become a VIP or know one :-)
@@watchcraft my husband been looking to get a rolex for me, my first rolex. What do you think Daytona yellow gold with white dial the new model 2021 white dial price at $41,000usd. I like all gold, which dial do you suggest for me to get that can hold its value. I like the green dial but AD said impossible to get 😓. 5 or 6 years ago i saw the rainbow displayed at the mall it was the only watch that captures my heart but I wasn't into watch back then and didn't know it was Daytona either.
@@springday5679 I suggest to try as many on as possible and then just chose the one you like wearing the most, not thinking about re-sale value. they're Daytonas, they all will hold their value.
Sehr interessantes beispiel 😅. Ih Hätte sonst gedacht das du direkt nach Genf fährst und dort die Hauptsitze nachfragst ob du bei denen direkt kaufen kannst haha
Interesting video. Rolex marketing and customer treatment is terrible; this must change. I just don’t get the manner in which they are treating people who are trying to buy their product.
These brands treat exclusivity and positive brand outlook more than any other currency, which is part of the allure. But, what's happening right now will make customers move into different brands! Suppose you can't get their pieces after multiple tries. It's just doesn't make sense to seek them. It's like elite college admission in the US. You won't endow a college you didn't get in. I think in the long run, it's not suitable for their BRAND strategy. There should be a fine line b/n acquisition and availability! Although they would keep their extreme exclusivity, in a time of social media, their positive brand outlook will be hard hit with a bad public image.
I went to Dubai to purchase at the largest Rolex in the world, and they don't even look at tourists, so I went to Cartier instead. At least, they have a reputible brand that will cater to repeat customers. I don't have time for their crappy attitudes. Mind you I spent a LOT of money while in Dubai. They saved me 20k + which was well used at the Burj Al Arab (7 star) . So thanks for nothing.
@@watchcraft Yes Sir. Which is why I'm a repeat customer. As a millennial, I believe customer service is a top priority. You treat customers like garbage, you will never get their money.
He took 8 min to say no you can't get it in Switzerland
Thank you for saving my time!
Just buy an Apple Watch
At least he is not killing someone in a bomb blast
This is why we need the dislike count back…without your comment everyone would be wasting time
answer's no, save yourself 8 minutes.
Because of how Rolex treat people I'm going to Omega,they make excellent watches.
How do Rolex treat people?
@@JP-Watch_Addict obviously you haven't experienced many Rolex ADs or you would know not to ask a silly question.
@@goonermike6755 he asked a genuine question. You could've just answered instead of being so patronizing.
@@JP-Watch_Addict I have experienced this three times in London with ADS a year ago when asking for a Rolex they basically laugh AT you,offer no explanation,offer nothing in way of why and how else they can help and this is coming in one instance from a woman who is only a shop assistant and myself who had upto £7000 to spend.
Edward R I was just asking a genuine question as I visited a couple of AD’s in London, Just trying to work out why @goonermike67 experience was so bad that if he’s got Rolex RRP monies (let’s face it no discounts) why go straight to Omega.
Rolex is foolish. You should not need to beg. It's a watch not a kidney. Buyers will get fed up and move on to other brands.
Hermes proves otherwise
@@rp-wn5or so you believe that this business model is sustainable? Interesting but I think that eventually it has to catch up with you. Perhaps I am wrong.
@@dab7963 I’m not sure either but just an example of where it has worked is hermes with their kelly and birkin bags. I’m sure there are companies where it hasn’t worked but it IS Rolex…only time will tell. But I will admit that if I’m to beg for a Rolex, I’d rather save up and get a patek even if it means waiting YEARS. Might as well, right?
Third option: don't buy hyped, artificially limited supply watches.
No.
There, just saved you 8 minutes of your life. It is actually harder to buy a Swiss Made watch in Switzerland, since having the opposite would mean every moderately rich guy in Europe paying a
If your 8 minutes and 22 seconds are precious to you here is the answer to this video.
No
7:42 is the answer you want.
When I was studying marketing ages ago, I had a module on retail and branding. They explained how certain luxury brand purposely antagonise and frustrate their customer to trigger this response were the customer will feel humiliated and so he will spend more as a way to demonstrate his wealth and social status. It’s a kinda nasty psychological trick that relies on the social insecurity or personal insecurity of the consumer. It works with everyone, not just rich people, but for them I guess is even worst. Guess when you are rich, time is the most important resource you have.
definitely works on me :-D
I have no idea why anyone would get on a waiting list to buy a luxury watch. Luxury is an experience. I own two rolexes and will never ever get on a waiting list for anything. Nobody makes me fucking wait when I’m the one that’s paying.
Agreed
exactly my thoughts. it ain't luxury if i have to wait in line. id rather take an omega and move on
What if they only get one or two a year? Are you gonna walk out just because they don't have your watch in store on the exact day you ask for it?
I bought the Pepsi (The new one) from Rolex in Greece. They treat you really well.
Lucky you
I'm fed up with these brands especially Rolex. Wish people would just give up on them ( i know this won't happen) see how quick things would change when nobody wants to buy their product anymore.
People always want things that you can’t get there hand on. Lol.
"Customer services was great." Not in one of these places were you a customer.
:-(
I don't get why people buy into this nonsense. It's such a turnoff and reminds me of how Enzo Ferrari treated his customers.
Disdain and disregard for your client base should lead to bankruptcy. There are so many great watches out there that aren't from these 3 abusive brands.
That's a great comparison to Enzo. You're right.
@@watchcraft thanks. I respect Enzo's and Ferrari as a company's accomplishments, especially in Formula 1. But I don't think it excuses treating people like shit.
That's why even though I don't care for the VW Lamborghini of today, I love that the company was started as a middle finger to Enzo personally.
Same with these Swiss companies. They have beautiful timepieces, but the price and the lack of customer service do not justify this.
@@cdb5001 Loved Ferrari in the Formula 1 as well. Schumi was my guy!
I must say though that I only had bad experiences with Rolex. Patek and AP might not have sold me watches, but they treated me very nicely. Not comparable to Cartier though. There you feel like a king. Customer service is through the roof.
@@watchcraft I'm a Seiko guy myself, with a family, I can't justify wearing thousands of dollars on my wrist, although I do hope to one day pick up a Grand Seiko spring drive.
I hated Schumi but respected his skill. He and Ferrari were so dominant for so long, but I admit, I was a Hakkinen/McLaren fan.
The largest Rolex AD in The Netherlands told me that all Daytona watches they receive go directly to the directors of the company for them to "allocate"! Can just imagine the shady deals that goes down and favours called in exchange for Daytonas! Quite despicable!
At the same time, our grey market stores are stocked to the brim with all the hard to come-by pieces and what they don't have they'll get for you within a couple of days!! Go figure what's really going on!!
How do I contact you so I can purchase in Netherlands ?
Rolex designs are boring and repetitive with very few cosmetic and material changes. Submariner, Sea Dweller, GMT Master, EXPLORER II, Deep Sea, all share the same dial. I don't regret selling my Rolex watches and switching to other brands. Rolex produces 1 million watches per year, where is the exclusivity factor? Paying $20k for a steel watch that shouldn't cost more than $4K is ridiculous, let alone the whole "mafia-style" behavior of ADs. The demand for Rolex It's all artificially created.
I had $25,000 to spend on a two tone submariner, and a Pepsi GMT tudor..., I'm not one to buy into this inflated prices.., in the end you have to be realistic..., if you can only afford steel/two tone models then you definitely shouldn't take the risk of paying more than retail. if you can afford a solid gold watch then it is not issue for you. I'm in the steel to 2 tone range..., and after waiting a year and not getting anything.. even though i made it clear to multiple AD's I was willing to spend 25k on not so rare watches..., i just gave up and put the entire amount on my mortgage. Don't buy into hype..., when shit goes south your the one that's left with the overpriced watch.
Agreed, Jason. No one should ever pay over retail for a watch that still is in production.
How do you like your Tudor? I've never worn one but I'm affraid it might be too thick.
Pure insanity...you don’t need any of these watches , you just think you do . 🤔
notice your video are from 3 years ago, what's it like now? 😉😅😁
Rolex, Audemars, & Patek could easily increase production of these high demand models. They don't because they want to feed the hype. A concert promoter once told me, "If I'm booking a band and 3 people will come to see them, I'll book the venue that only seats 2." It's a manufactured scarcity. Stop being treated badly by these brands. Just say no.
You're right. Shortage lies at the core of any luxury product. If they'd increase production, they would devalue the brand, which is the most valuable part of the whole operation.
Another reason not to feel bad is that if you are in the market for such a piece, you likely still have a place to live and food to eat. Always good to stay positive!
Absolutely, Joe!
The irony is you can virtually get all the three watches as many as you wish on C24, which means authorized dealers sold them to grey market dealers and watch manufacturers are actually quite happy with such an arrangement.
Yes that's a shame. I'm aware that Rolex handles it that way. But Patek and AP as well? Don't they just have many private customers who flip the watches to grey market dealers?
Actually Rolex AD still sell Rolex watches to the filpper..,but they won’t sell to real buy.
The flipper at some point, Will dump all watches on the market, so price will go down :)
The waiting list is always fake.
If your a VIP for your AD, no waiting for you.
yes absolutely. Any watch you either get within 3 months or never
100% correct.
It would be a frosty friday in hell before I wait on these companies for a watch..it is a created scarcity to drive up prices...no thanks..there are many other beautiful watches to be had.
Seems strange to have to beg someone to give them tens of thousands of Euros. If only there was a way for all of us to boycott these brands and have them beg us to buy their products.
I'm in! Let's start a revolution.
There is a way - DON’T BUY!
In the U.S. buying a Rolex is a joke. My local AD had 2 steel no date Subs in stock, and wouldn't let me buy. They were saving them for "preferred clients". Took my cash to the omega boutique. won't give Rolex a cent for the way I was talked down upon.
Rolex is the point where someone dead become alive.
People that after Aquanaut probably had 4-5 Rolex Sport watches, if they can’t get it they are still a fine human.
But people that after Rolex mostly are coming from Modern People in slavery cycle that want to escape from the hunger game trap; they will do whatever it takes to get Rolex.
Same thing here, Ryan. But in my opinion not Rolex is to blame, but the AD's. Rolex needs to get a tighter grip on them and enforce some customer appreciation and stop the selling to grey market dealers. The AD's hurt the Rolex brand with their bad behaviour.
@@watchcraft Hi Watchcraft, in the area I live, Rolex dropped these small mom and pop stores as ADs: stores that helped build their company to what it is today. If the ones they've kept are misbehaving, they've got no one to blame but themselves. I like the Tudor Black Bay Blue, but I refuse to give Rolex any more of my money.
Got to admit - about a decade ago, I went to an AD in a mall south of Seattle, and asked to try on a two-tone blue Sub. I was very upfront about how I was in no financial condition to buy that watch (although I might consider buying something from a lower-cost brand like Tissot, which they also carried), and that I just wanted to see how a Rolex felt on my wrist. They not only let me try it on, but tried to talk me into letting them work out a financing deal, so I could take it home that day. I turned them down, because I knew that taking on such a debt load at the time would be foolish if not disastrous - but, I have to admit, I now wish I had taken them up on that offer, because, although it would make the next few years a lot more difficult financially, I could have probably sold that watch right now at a hefty profit…and because, now that I'm at a point where I _could_ have swung such a purchase, the shortage and subsequent prices on the gray market mean I likely never will again.
Now the Swiss have gained my respect for this. At least they are fair to everyone.
Casio always treated me well.
Casio is great
I guess best positive news from this video is they don’t discriminate. They laught at you equally for asking to take your money for steel sports models.
Time to move to Omega. No wait list for their watches and excellent quality equal or better to Rolex.
They are high quality indeed. But every other watch seems to be a "limited edition." I feel like they want to cheat me into buying.
@@watchcraft, I understand and they have so many models to choose from but, if you can find one that appeals to you, meets your needs, and you can live with that, why not give Omega a shot? I just read somewhere that Omega released some beautiful Speedmasters in yellow gold and I saw one Seamaster Professional with a chocolate brown dial and in yellow gold. Sort of reminded me of a cross between a Datejust and Submariner. And you can probably get them at the Ad instead of having to wait years for a Rolex Pepsi or Daytona. At least you were able to pick up a Hulk. Since you are looking to get a GMT Master two, Omega makes the Aqua Terra GMT. It's a beautiful time piece. The dial pops. Believe me, I'd love to get a Pepsi or Batman-Bat Girl ( I own a Submariner and Datejusdt 41mm) but only way is through Grey Market Dealer and prices are way over retail.
Seiko produce beautiful watches and also no waiting list. But you don’t feel privileged if the watch is so easy to get. The harder to get the more you want.
@@smr32061 Thanks for the tip, Steven. I'll check out the Aquaterra. I also like the Speedmaster Snoopy edition with the white dial.
I like their new Seamaster 300 Diver, but no wish it also came in a 40mm size. The current 42mm diameter is just to big for me
So disappointing but on the plus side ... well … your flag is a big plus … 🇨🇭
Just buy a watch which is 50% under retail off Chrono24 like a rose gold Omega Seamaster or Breitling Navitimer or even a Hublot Big Bang. Looks like a better deal to me than a stainless Rolex GMT @18-19k.
I listened intently with hope lol. Man, this watch sh*t is ridiculous.
haha dreams gots destroyed in 8 minutes :D
sorry to be the one to tell you guys about it :-D
I find it humiliating to try to crave a Rolex. If Rolex only wants to sell to VIPs, let them have their own little playhouse for perverted people. I spend my money on companies that value their customers. Building a market due to denying customers a purchase is sick. I also do not see buying a used Rolex for double the price as interesting. Boycott Rolex - let the brand rot and lose value. Ignoera Rolex.
(I can see that your glasses do not fit well on your face - I also have some problems with plastic frames - better get frames with "saddles" for the nose)
BS talk. Have you ever tried to get one? I did and received it after 6 Month. A OP 41 Yellow Dial. First time buyer.
@@rolexmike LOL! I'm not a Rolex nerd, so I had to google OP, and I can see it's a boy's watch, or lady's watch. 34mm. I can imagine retailers wanting to get rid of these models because demand is minimal. It is common knowledge that it is basically impossible to buy a nice 39-41mm Rolex watch - but you do not seem to want to understand.
@@hemmatv1582 lol not true. I got a datejust 41mm wimbledon after waiting 6 weeks. My first rolex ever.
Yeah, 126613ln retail 14,700 usd I HAVE BEEN ON WAITLIST A YEAR NOW IN U.S.
Get a Grand Seiko or an omega
Or A Lange Son-he
Why on earth would you want to be put on a waiting list when you can buy one instantly second hand is beyond me.
Thanks David. Not into kissing Rolex AD (or any) ass so I'll just get a Titanium Omega Seamaster 300.
It will probably be like in -91. The Swiss watches hit a brick wall. I remember in the late -80 when I tried to buy a day-date at a Swedish AD. They laughed at me then and said I will never be able to get an all gold for list again. In -93 I bought one at the same AD with 15% discount.
Any company who refuses my money can go to hell.
Our money is not good enough for them, man. Didn't you know? They only take money that is inhereted :-D
i have full gold and platinum Rolex and some DJ with diamonds and I will never ever buy any Rolex again coz its dishonest experience now with this brand.If not me , so who is the preferred customer? im collecting Richard Mille only now :)
How sad and shocking. I used to spend a lot of time in Zürich in the ‘80’s. Walked into many shops on Bahnhofstrasse and came out with exactly the watch I wanted, 2 Datejust, 1 stainless and 1 stainless and gold, IWC Ingenieur, Cartier and Omega dress watches.
I remember an Arab gentleman at the viewing table next to me at Rolex asking if there were volume discounts. The attendant told him politely, “The House of Rolex does not offer discounts.”
Now, it seems, they do not even offer watches.
Its just so easy....buy another brand or vintage watches which are cheaper and more beautiful anyway :-D
getting more and more into vintage watches myself
Just buy something else, it is all in the mind, just a game they play.
No respect for yourself, I will never and ever give so much money to someone that has 0 consideration about me. I had the same experience in Italy when I was looking for the Rolex sub, gmt or Daytona, I ended buying an Omega Seamster 300m and I still live happily since I bought it with almost 25% of discount.
Love the Seamaster. Great choice.
It’s quite clear to me, and probably everyone, that the reason you are never hearing from these ADs is that your doing everything wrong that you can possibly do wrong. Walking in randomly with no purchase history and then expecting to get the super hyped pieces. What should the long time and loyal customers think if you would get such a watch before maybe them?…..
Watching this video in january 2022 is funny, the watch current market is so crazy and high now !
If I really wanted one I would go to the grey market rather than attempt to form a “relationship” with a bunch of salesmen who have a bloated sense of power
some of them are really into the art of watchmaking so you can bond over that. then it's actually fun to form the relationship. but yes, stay away from those who just care about their sales.
I think I’m super lucky that I got my day date green dial and PP 5711/1R from AD 🙏
‘4 to 6 years’ just means when the economy crashes/slumps they might give you a call
Exactly and this will come in the next 1-2years
@@abu.goldjunge we are there now 😀
I guess we are there now. I have few Rolex already but I wish to get an AP. I’ve just put my name for RO grey 15510ST. Do you think 🤔 I would get it soon, because of the market conditions ?
I find all things Rolex to be annoying at an ever increasing rate. Dealing with their dealer network is boring & irritating, to be frank so are watches for the most part (I say that as an owner of a gold Rolex Daytona & a YachtMaster II) imo particularly when there are so many more things to do and items to buy with 5 figures - one should be worth 7-8 figs net & liquid when looking to buy a Rolex imo personally I go with a 1% rule for such things but this is another story, back to the point I was trying to make, try spending your money elsewhere, somewhere you’re treated well, ideally to do something far more exciting.
Nice to hear this. I also go by the 1% percent rule. Unless it's a watch that is going to appreciate like crazy. Most people work harder on appearing rich, than on actually getting rich.
U have to buy 10-20k in jewelry and some not so hot rolex watches to get bumped up. AD's don't make lot's of money off Rolex hence they use the hot pieces as a reward for good customers.
The thing is there are so many people chasing the same pieces they inadvertently make themselves victims ... If people sailed their own ship and didn’t feel the need to follow the crowd then this wouldn’t be so common . Personally I would much rather have the overseas above any of the mentioned and this is readily available..
yeah but resale value.... good feeling if you know you can sell your watch anytime for even more than you paid for
I got my Rolex Daytona in Basel during a conference in 2004. They all (Flagship Stores) put me in the waiting list. Had Coffee in a Base-Stadt Cafe near the University and was being served by a Filipina who was married to a Swiss National. We had a nice chat and invited me for dinner with her family because I gave her a local delicacy called Dried Mango which she had craved for many years. I asked her husband where he got his Daytona and he hooked me up with a Filipino who was working in Rolex. He gave me a letter and I got my Daytona! No waiting list with the base price. I guess I was very lucky being a Filipino.
So it actually pays out to be friendly with people. For a dried piece of Mango you got back a Daytona!
@@watchcraft Yes. spent more 100 Swiss Francs on my excess baggage from Luftansa so it was worth it. I should have bought 2 and sold the other hahahaha
I have been to Cebu, staying in a 5 star resort. There are many (I have seen about 10 ) young Filipino wearing Nautilus and Rolex driving Italian sport cars.
But just outside the hotel wearing Rolex or Patek without bodyguards, it’s very dangerous; it is very bad, you can get kidnapped and need pay million $ ransom.
I’ve been in Swiss for few days now, safe to say the market is rigged for the entire planet. Buy a Tissot and get on with life. 😂
It’s a known thing not secret in the world of watches even in Asia too, all the .. yes all ! All AD will secretly operate or co-operate with grey market dealers (secondary/preowned market) to sell the watches for higher profits outside the retail shops, if not how could all the preowned shops in my country possessed all the brand new Rolex, Patek AP watches there ???
I got the black ss Daytona a week before it closed, I asked to be in the waitlist for the white ss Daytona and they said they would put me in, do you think I will get it eventually from my AD
Out of all the Rolex models the Daytona probably is the one that's hardest to get. So congrats on the black one, you're a lucky man!
I'd say you won't get the white one. But I would have said the same about the black if you would have asked me before. So what do I know? :-D
4 to 6 yrs, hahaha
I just hate those AD. They are acting like Gods. Cant wait the time (and now is very close) that demand will be lower then supply.
When that happens I will not dream to buy anything from them ever again...will just go gray market for lower price
Until 2020 it was in the industry for more than 20 years and the best dealers have all 4-5 of the most popular watches in stock. However, these are reserved for the best customers, those who buy watches for several hundred thousand euros or in another currency every year. If these customers also need a simple Submariner as a gift, they don't want to hear, we'll put them on the waiting list and we'll get in touch in 4 years. This then feeds the vanity and importance of these customers. Normally the waiting list is 4 years but really only for you we will set everything in motion and 1 or 2 weeks later the customer will be called that the watch that was in the warehouse for him has arrived. In principle, regular customers are always preferred to the real waiting lists. The industry consists only of vanity and self-importance.
Same everywhere . I asked about a Daytona in Geneva in 2017 and they said five years back then , also they don’t want tourists buying the top models when they already have good local customer of their own
I went into the Patek shop, was told 3 years waiting list. I just put my name down anyways.
Answer: no.
Based upon your live experience and according to some RUclips videos made by respectable people you should know by now that waiting lists are fraud ! That expression is used mostly just to calm down undesirable customers ! Strong and favourable relationship with your dealer is the only way to get the most wanted timepieces ! And you already know that !
Anyway, your video is an honest confession that disspells ilussions !
By the way, I would wery much enjoy listening to you speaking mundart !
P.S. That Patek shop in Zurich - it was Beyer, wasn't it? And Rolex shop in Zurich - Bucherer, probably?
Thanks man. I'm affraid the audience for Mundart watch videos would be quite small :-)
Actually I visited more than one Patek store in Zurich, don't quite remember to which one I was referring to. The Rolex shop was Bucherer, correct. But I had a good experience there. The one that treated me badly is not in Zurich.
Go Independent! Forget those corporate bullies!
I was lucky and purchased a Rolex Explorer in NYC in January, 2020...Right place at the right time....But, no such luck since....so....you know what I did? I bought a beautiful Tudor Black Bay while in Geneva, and I was able to walk into a Tudor AD dealer, try it on, like it, and, lo and behold, actually purchase it. What a pleasure, and I love wearing it as an everyday watch...Yes, the "wanting" is as big a deal as the "getting" in some people's minds and I love my Explorer, but why play this silly wait list game or worse pay double to some grey market extortionist, when you can buy a beautiful time piece when you want? Yea, Tudor (yes, I know they are owned by Rolex).
Great, congrats on your Tudor!
Longer the wait, sweeter the taste, is he a philosopher?
We call that copium, not philosophy
Wow, that was we opening. Good video and content. Thank you.
thanks
i have traveled to many countries and all the Rolex AD told me no stocks for any steel sports watch. Sounds crazy, but i think all of them just sold to the grey dealers to make a quick buck. There is no point visiting AD anymore
You are right, in some countries they seem to sell a big part to grey market dealers. Here in Switzerland though I get the feeling that most ADs just sell to long lasting clients that have a relationship with them. So find a trustworthy AD and become a trustworthy client. Then the hot pieces will become available for you.
Was hoping for the happy end to be honest :(
what a pathetic industry!!
Sorry, but there is no shortcut to getting any watch faster. You either suck it up and ask politely and treat the sales people like human beings and not like your enemy, or you leave and write hate comments on social media. I got a Batman in 2016 after a few weeks wait and this year a DJ41 Wimblendon after around 3 months. Order for a OP41 is registered and looking to pick one up next year and ordered another BiColor Roségold GMT Master CHNR. I mentioned I am aware about waiting and it’s ok for me.
Last month I visited the Patek AD and registered my interest for an Aquanaut and I don’t mind 3 years of waiting, cause I need to get the cash first.
Agreed. And great choice with the bicolor GMT!
@@watchcraft indeed, a very nice watch. The Full Roségold GMT would be even nicer, but CHF 36.500,- is currently a little bit too much. But it’s on the wish list, maybe for the 50th birthday, that’s another 10-11 years.
@@PatricksFinanzen Yeah that would be too much for me as well. But I'm sure we will get it eventually
There are shortcut, I had my gold daytona Rolex in two months in a dealer.
@@limanbrothers5842 what are the shortcuts?
You’ve got to shop at the smaller cities in the USA. Both my Pepsi and Sub took less than two months from different dealerships.
wow congrats!
no way it took 2 months without a purchase history. congrats regardless
@@babakganji1045 my husband walks in wearing his presidential rolex and chit chat a while with the SA that he's been wanting the 40 ever rose gold with green face, they told us 2yrs waiting. long story short, we about to walk out, the SA brought out Daytona the new model 2021.
@@springday5679 Business perspective it doesnt make sense. Ive spoken with several ADs and they all say that the daytona is reserved for people with a big purchase history. The ADs are all under pressure to sell undesirable models. Why would someone simply walk in and get a daytona when they can bundle it with other jewelry, other expensive watches or even fully diamond rolex models with someone else? Of course anything is possible but financially it doesnt make sense for the AD to do it.... Some ADs told me $100k+ and others $500k+, I guess depending on the city.
@@babakganji1045 That's what I thought too. We just got back from Paris, we went to 3 different ADs none has Daytona nor submariner. When we got back home, my daughter went out on dinner date with her old friend from high school and she saw he has GMT backman on his wrist she took a pic of his watch and told her dad about it. That's how we end up going there to ask for daydate rosegold 40 in green dial. We didn't even ask for Daytona.
Click bait
I got so fed up with the attitude of Rolex, I spent my money on a lovely motorbike instead. Great fun for weekends! I wanted to buy a Submariner in steel. When I asked if they had one, they looked insulted. Terrible customer service from Rolex. They have a very bad attitude towards potential new customers. I know they don’t care, but I will never buy a Rolex now. Lee from the U.K.
Agreed, the rolex AD's make you feel like they're doing you a favor by even talking to you.
If Rolex, AP, and PP are this ridiculous then I won't even question about RM or Vacheron...
Vacheron actually is easy to get
@@watchcraft Then it's actually way to go great watch, good price I'd say bcs you are getting an art for your money 👌 Thank you for info ❤️
Naaa the ad's are flipping the hottest pieces to grey market dealers.
That happens for sure. In Switzerland most pieces go to preferred clients though.
These brands have created the hype so much thinking that people cant live with out it. Come on there are so many other brands which sell watches that are really good and in superior quality
What a click bait
Quicker to buy a Rolex than to watch this video...come on dude
I have modern and vintage watches. I have 5 watches I rotate so really dont need another because I prefer to wear my watches for a month at a time and hate hoarding . I have, Zenith, IWC, Omega and really want a Rolex Pepsi. It is sad that Rolex does not care about their customers, I personally will never pay double retail for a watch. Who knows maybe the call will come but Im not holding my breath
I'm with you, Andreas. I would not pay one cent more than retail price for a watch that still is in production.
I bought my Omega Seamaster 120 automatic in Geneva in 1971. New, with the beads of rice bracelet it was $63. Total rebuild at the Swiss factory with new dial face and crystal was under $300 in 1989. They were already out of stock of the NOS bracelet so they offered me a Rolex bracelet that I declined. Last I checked a factory rebuild is $1250 plus cost of parts. Now that I am retired I am afraid I might not be able to afford that. I seem to be happy enough with the Omega on a display shelf and wear an Invicta Pro Diver that I am not afraid of damaging.
But Larry, that's too nice of a watch to not wear and enjoy. I would put it on a James Bond Nato strap. Will cost you about 20 Dollars and looks fantastic. I use that strap for my Submariner.
And don't worry about damaging. A vintage sports watch is supposed to show some scars.
great video. same here in canada. :(
Thanks, Arin.
Rolex is a British company and brand but they marketed in Switzerland
And the founder was German who imported Swiss watches at first, its not British anymore... so what are you tryin to say??
@@as114 lol they were both English for tax reasons they manufactured it in Switzerland and they are also registered as a charity, the reason I mentioned it because alot of people think they are swiss.
Ok i take an omega 🤷
Nice Vid man, btw you re funny, Im from Ch as well & can only confirm all this
The AD in Oslo takes your order, notes your email adresse and politiely tells you that since you do not have a customer history we would not be priori
Hi. Like Your videos. Like Your style. Have 2 questions. What do You think of Tudor? I'm looking to buy my first entry level lux everyday / sports watch around 3000$. Thinking Black Bay or Longines diver. Do You sqat, lift, bench or all? Will appreciate an answer.
Thank you, glad you like the videos.
I like Tudor. You basically get Rolex quality for half the price. So if you like the style of the Black Bay, go to the store and try one on. Longines makes good quality watches as well, but I wouldn't call it a luxury watch. I'd go with the Tudor in your case. Myself I started with a Rolex and only got into cheaper watches when I already had a good collection of luxury pieces. Wearing a 50 Dollar watch while having a few Rolexes at home just feels great :-) while it doesn't feel so great if that's your only watch.
I squat/bench/deadlift every day. love it. you too?
Ich han bi 3 rolex AD in züri gfrögt und nödmal uf d liste cho
macht glaub kein unterschied ebd uf de liste bisch oder nöd. ich bin sit 2 jahr uf dä pepsi "liste" und han no nüt ghört. wirde au nüt ghöre sofern i vorher nöd es paar anderi sache det kaufe.
In 2016, I bought an AP, RO, OS, QE II Cup Hong Kong 2016 Chronograph, in Rose Gold and Forged Carbon over the counter at an AP Stockist here in Central, Hong Kong .... Now .... The same stockist has just empty glass tables and counters .... To buy a new premium watch now is an impossibility ....
After spending a lot of time and money to feed this passion / obsession over the last 20 years, I have been on both sides of this equation. After spending enough money buying easier to get pieces from Cartier, Panerai, etc., I finally "graduated" to be given the opportunity to buy a Pepsi (with name engraved on the back so I can't flip it) and a few months later, an aquanaut travel time before the world shut down for COVID. I've been lucky enough to have my name bubble up on the list that's high enough so that they would consider me... Great marketing. Make the cheaper watches harder to get so you have to pay full price for the more expensive ones just so you get the chance that one day, you can be so lucky to buy one for list price. So, if you think about it, you'd be better off buying the pieces from the grey markets for 20 to 25% more online. Take away the stupid taxes you get to save, the net is only 10% to 15% difference. You get to wear that dream watch in 48 hours. There's some value in that...
Congrats on your Pepsi and Aquanaut! Love them both.
0:59 Tell us the crazy story about the 2 day wait for the Hulk please....
I'll do a video on that soon Max :-)
But basically it boils down to the fact that most AD's have at least one of each hot piece in their store. They are just holding it for VIP's. Now you have to either become a VIP or know one :-)
@@watchcraft is Daytona 2 tone new model 2021 is hard to get? They just offered one to my husband few days ago. First time in the store.
@@springday5679 other Daytonas are definitely harder to get than the two-tone. But it still sells for more than retail price on the secondary market.
@@watchcraft my husband been looking to get a rolex for me, my first rolex. What do you think Daytona yellow gold with white dial the new model 2021 white dial price at $41,000usd. I like all gold, which dial do you suggest for me to get that can hold its value.
I like the green dial but AD said impossible to get 😓. 5 or 6 years ago i saw the rainbow displayed at the mall it was the only watch that captures my heart but I wasn't into watch back then and didn't know it was Daytona either.
@@springday5679 I suggest to try as many on as possible and then just chose the one you like wearing the most, not thinking about re-sale value. they're Daytonas, they all will hold their value.
I rather buy used one then wait for that pice of s....t
More vids please,
Amazing job on sharing the truth in your experience with buying.
Thank you very much, Isabelle.
Sehr interessantes beispiel 😅.
Ih Hätte sonst gedacht das du direkt nach Genf fährst und dort die Hauptsitze nachfragst ob du bei denen direkt kaufen kannst haha
so einfach ist es leider nicht :-)
There’s a large value added tax in Europe too.
Interesting video. Rolex marketing and customer treatment is terrible; this must change. I just don’t get the manner in which they are treating people who are trying to buy their product.
agreed CJ
These brands treat exclusivity and positive brand outlook more than any other currency, which is part of the allure. But, what's happening right now will make customers move into different brands! Suppose you can't get their pieces after multiple tries. It's just doesn't make sense to seek them. It's like elite college admission in the US. You won't endow a college you didn't get in. I think in the long run, it's not suitable for their BRAND strategy. There should be a fine line b/n acquisition and availability! Although they would keep their extreme exclusivity, in a time of social media, their positive brand outlook will be hard hit with a bad public image.
well said
I went to Dubai to purchase at the largest Rolex in the world, and they don't even look at tourists, so I went to Cartier instead. At least, they have a reputible brand that will cater to repeat customers. I don't have time for their crappy attitudes. Mind you I spent a LOT of money while in Dubai. They saved me 20k + which was well used at the Burj Al Arab (7 star) . So thanks for nothing.
@@Phsymphonic06 Cartier has top customer service
@@watchcraft Yes Sir. Which is why I'm a repeat customer. As a millennial, I believe customer service is a top priority. You treat customers like garbage, you will never get their money.